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SPECIAL WEEKEND CRIME STORIES UPDATE: Alex Murdaugh Attorney Accuses Prosecutors of Withholding Evidence · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Wow, the more he and
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Speaker 1: his attorneys taught, the more I like it. Of course,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Alex Murdog. Why do his attorneys keep talking?
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Speaker 1: Remember Alex Murdog is the lawyer out of South Carolina
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Speaker 1: that is now charged in the heinous murder of his
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Speaker 1: wife Maggie and son Paul outside their hunting lodge out
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Speaker 1: in the country, in addition to their home. I don't
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Speaker 1: know how many properties they own, but one is definitely
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Speaker 1: a murder scene. Now he's also charged with millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars in buzzling and fraud taking money from clients he
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Speaker 1: represented in the worst way in bustling money from his
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Speaker 1: law firm. Hey, I also think somebody had to know
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Speaker 1: about all the embezzlement and did nothing. His family had
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Speaker 1: a grip on South Carolina politics forever. The prosecutor's office
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Speaker 1: had been held by a murdoc for a hundred years. Now,
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Speaker 1: talk about an ethical violation. He's a prosecutor in cases,
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Speaker 1: But then would civilly represent I guess either the defendant
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Speaker 1: or the victim in the case. That is a conflict
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Speaker 1: of interest. What a big mess. But I'm more worried
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Speaker 1: about the two dead bodies. Of course, the Murdock family
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Speaker 1: is connected to a lot of dead bodies. There's Gloria Centerfield,
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Speaker 1: the fifty ish year old housekeeper that was found dead
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Speaker 1: at the Murdoca State reportedly by quote chipping over the
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Speaker 1: dog right. Then there is Malory Beach, the team girl
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Speaker 1: that was thrown off the Murdoc boat when one of
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Speaker 1: the sons was drunk and high as a kite piled
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Speaker 1: into some pilings at a bridge. She flies off and
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Speaker 1: floats in the water for three days before her body
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Speaker 1: is found. Let's see who else. Oh? Yes, a young
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Speaker 1: guy in the community was found dead of a seeming
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Speaker 1: hit and run with ties to the Murdoch family and
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Speaker 1: MENI argue it was no such thing of a hit
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Speaker 1: as a hit and run. But let's focus on this case.
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Speaker 1: Wife Maggie and son Paul both killed at Murdoch's South
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Speaker 1: Carolina home. Imancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here on Fox Nation. In series
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Speaker 1: x one eleven, the very latest lawyers from murdog are
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Speaker 1: now pointing the finger at the prosecutors, claiming they're hiding
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Speaker 1: evidence including blood spatter evidence and phone records and they're
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Speaker 1: accusing the esecutors of leaking information about the murders to
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Speaker 1: the press. Take a listen to this. They charged him
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Speaker 1: with murder. What they're telling us today is they're still
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Speaker 1: investigating it. They're still investigating the murder. They didn't have
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Speaker 1: enough when they charged him. Again, you're this is some
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Speaker 1: sort of game that's going on. And you use the
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Speaker 1: word game. That's not my word. This is not a game.
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Speaker 1: It's his wife, it's justice, it's the quality of judge
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Speaker 1: in this four room in this state in an ain't
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Speaker 1: a game. Well, leaks have been around as long as
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Speaker 1: I have been a prosecutor. There's always been leaks. Is
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Speaker 1: that a violation of the law? Is that a crime?
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Speaker 1: Probably not. And let me tell you something about blood
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Speaker 1: spatter evidence. There is a time period in which the
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Speaker 1: state has to hand over scientific that can be blood evidence,
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Speaker 1: the analysis of drugs, fiber as evidence, ballistics evidence, DNA evidence,
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Speaker 1: not polygraph because you usually don't have that in a
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Speaker 1: criminal trial. All of those are deemed scientific evidence. The state,
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Speaker 1: under the law has to hand all the scientific evidence
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Speaker 1: over to the defense well in advance a trial, and
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Speaker 1: they should. The reason is so the defense can't prepare
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Speaker 1: their defense based on the evidence the state has, or
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Speaker 1: they may even want to hire their own experts to
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Speaker 1: analyze what the state experts have done or to do
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Speaker 1: their own tests. We see that a lot where defense
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Speaker 1: teams hire their own experts. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at GMA Good Morning America. How like Murdock's legal
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Speaker 1: team accusing prosecutors of hiding the ball, allegedly withholding evidence
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Speaker 1: ahead of his looming trial for double murder. Gotcha, prosecution,
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Speaker 1: it's trial by ambush. Give us the stuff. I don't
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Speaker 1: have a shred of paper, I don't have an email,
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Speaker 1: I don't have an exhibit, I don't have any evidence.
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Speaker 1: His attorneys are now accusing investigators of leaking details to
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Speaker 1: the media instead of handing it over to the defense
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Speaker 1: is required. What evidence are they talking about? Blood spatter
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Speaker 1: evidence and phone nickers. Listen, We're not going to trial
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Speaker 1: in the next two weeks, so the state has plenty
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Speaker 1: of time to hand this evidence over. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Good Morning America. Verdock's lawyer seemingly referencing reports about
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Speaker 1: blood splatters and evidence found on phones. We're ready to work,
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Speaker 1: ready to hire investigators, ready to hire experts. All I
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Speaker 1: know about bud spatters what I read in some blog.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen any blood spatter evidence. I've never seen
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Speaker 1: any phone downloads. I've never seen any witness statements. Thirty
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Speaker 1: two days after we make the request, we still don't
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Speaker 1: have any of the defenses. Filed a motion asking the
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Speaker 1: judge to compel the state to turn over the evidence
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Speaker 1: immediately and to unseal the details of the grand jury indictment.
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Speaker 1: In a response filing, the state caused the motion a
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Speaker 1: blatant attempt to create drama where formerly there was none.
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Speaker 1: There is a time period in which the state must
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Speaker 1: hand over scientific evidence, a witness list, and much more,
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Speaker 1: including exculpatory evidence. Exculpatory evidence is evidence that indicates the
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Speaker 1: defendant could be innocent that comes from a very old
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Speaker 1: case and went to the US Supreme Court Brady the Maryland,
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Speaker 1: where Brady claimed the state did not hand over exculpatory evidence,
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Speaker 1: and he won because the state did not hand over
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Speaker 1: the exculpatory evidence back to murdog. Now, so far, the
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Speaker 1: state has missed no deadlines in handing over evidence that
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Speaker 1: we know of. But the bloods batter evidence, I think
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Speaker 1: they're talking about it's high impact human matter spatter, which
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Speaker 1: is probably blood found on Alex Murdog's clothing that he
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Speaker 1: wore the night of the murders, which indicates he was
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Speaker 1: there when the gun shots occurred. That's the only way
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Speaker 1: you can get that high velocity, high impact blood spatter.
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Speaker 1: That's a spatter. I think they're talking about, how did
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Speaker 1: the whole thing start? Spatter evidence? Does it directly link
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Speaker 1: the drugged up lawyer Alex Murdog to the double murders
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Speaker 1: of his wife and his own son. All this from
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Speaker 1: a source FIT News, and I want to go straight
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Speaker 1: out to Matt Harris, Matt in the morning show, host
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Speaker 1: of the Matt and Ramona Show one oh seven point
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Speaker 1: nine wl n K podcast, The Murdog Family Murders. Matt,
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Speaker 1: what is happening? Well, according to fits News, they're the
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Speaker 1: ones who reported this that there's forensic evidence on his
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Speaker 1: clothing and it could only have come from blood spatter.
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Speaker 1: They are reporting that there's been multiple tests done and
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Speaker 1: proves that Alec was at least near the bodies when
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Speaker 1: are one of the bodies when they were shot and
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Speaker 1: killed in June Let's hands. But Matt Harris joining us
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Speaker 1: from w L and K just said blood spatter. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of different kind of blood spatter. There is
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Speaker 1: um I drop, I drop a jar of ketchup in
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Speaker 1: the glass and it's spatter. Then there's what we call
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Speaker 1: high velocity blood spatter. Completely different thing. Because high velocity
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Speaker 1: blood spatter you probably can't even see it with a
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Speaker 1: naked eye. It's like a mist, but it hits, for instance,
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Speaker 1: in this case, his shirt in a different way than
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Speaker 1: other spatter would hit. So let me understand, Matt Harris,
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Speaker 1: I'm morning show host Matt Romono w L and K.
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Speaker 1: You're attributing to fit and to use the report that
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Speaker 1: a shirt worn by Alex Murdock, they drugged up lawyer
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Speaker 1: who we now think embezzled literally millions of dollars from
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Speaker 1: his clients. The shirt worn on the night his wife
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Speaker 1: and son were murdered, not only has high velocity blood spatter,
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Speaker 1: a significant amount of high velocity blood spatter. Is that
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Speaker 1: what you're telling me, That's what FITZ News is saying.
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Speaker 1: The high velocity impact spatter was specifically high velocity. Now
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Speaker 1: we know that Alec touched the bodies the police according
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Speaker 1: to him in the nine one one call that night,
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Speaker 1: so that would be on his shirt and pants maybe
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Speaker 1: as well. But they're saying there is the high velocity
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Speaker 1: impact spatter on that shirt would put them right in
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Speaker 1: the proximity of either one or both victims when they
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Speaker 1: were shot. Time Stories with Nancy Grace In the last
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Speaker 1: hours Alex and Murdock got to South Carolina's lawyers have
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Speaker 1: piped up claiming prosecutors are hiding evidence and leaking information
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Speaker 1: about the murders of Murdock's wife and son to the press.
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Speaker 1: What evidence are they talking about? Blood spatter evidence, high
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Speaker 1: impact human matter spatter, which is probably blood found on
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Speaker 1: Alex Mournogue's clothing that he wore the Knight of the murders.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Joscot Morgan, professor forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author Blood Beneath My Feet, host of a hit series
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Speaker 1: Body Backs to jo Scott Morgan on iHeart Jes Scott
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Speaker 1: tell me a lot. It's telling me not only was
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Speaker 1: he about within thirty six inches of the bodies of
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Speaker 1: the dead people, his wife and his son, but he
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Speaker 1: was there when they got shot. Yeah, he was. And
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Speaker 1: that's what's being at least implicated here are implied relative
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Speaker 1: to this finding. When you start to talk about high
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Speaker 1: velocity blood spatter, Nancy, for our listeners at home, just
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Speaker 1: think about this, right you were when you mentioned that
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Speaker 1: it's very fine, very difficult to see. If anybody has
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Speaker 1: an aerosol hairspray container home, go to your mirror and
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Speaker 1: spirits at one time, very lightly, and it particulates, and
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Speaker 1: that's generated from a high end energy impact. And it's
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Speaker 1: generally associated in most every single time I've seen it,
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Speaker 1: it's always associated with gunfire. That means that it has
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Speaker 1: to reach a certain level of velocity to impact that
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Speaker 1: body to spray that blood out. If you're anywhere in
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Speaker 1: proximity to that. And you mentioned about thirty six inches,
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Speaker 1: that's kind of the standard. It's going to literally blow
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Speaker 1: out and mystify all, wait minute, whoa, whoa, whoa, he
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Speaker 1: just ran over thirty six inches. We standardize thirty six inches.
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Speaker 1: What do we mean by that? When you shoot the
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Speaker 1: spatter will travel about thirty six inches past that it
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Speaker 1: starts to dissolve in the air or drop to the ground,
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Speaker 1: which tells us. And this is after years and years
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Speaker 1: and years of exhaustive experimenting, we know that if you've
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Speaker 1: got blood spatter. You are three feet or less to
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Speaker 1: the point of impact bullet to body. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: Blood unlike a body, unlike a bullet, has horrible, horrible
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Speaker 1: aerodynamic qualities. So a bullet can spent through the air
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Speaker 1: and go for a long, long ways. But the way
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Speaker 1: this liquid, very viscous, thick liquid substance. Even when it's
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Speaker 1: it's a mystified like this, it doesn't hold together very well,
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Speaker 1: and so after about thirty six inches it's lost its velocity,
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Speaker 1: but it's still particulate like this goes like this. Yep, yep,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, just like the hair spray I was
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Speaker 1: referring to. So that gives you an indication, Nancy, that
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Speaker 1: if this is true, if what they're saying is true,
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Speaker 1: they would have had to have tested the shirt, looked
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Speaker 1: at it very carefully under you know, like probably alternative
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Speaker 1: lighting sources like ultra violet and that sort of thing
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Speaker 1: to be able to pick this up. It'll kind of
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Speaker 1: iuminate and they'll get they'll get an idea of the
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Speaker 1: distribution of this pattern as well. And maybe what are
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Speaker 1: you saying the distribution of the pattern, Well, it'll give
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Speaker 1: you an idea of say, for instances regular people talk.
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Speaker 1: It will give you an idea perhaps relative to his
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Speaker 1: position to the bodies when this weapon was fired, or
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Speaker 1: whoever was wearing this shirt, they have a shirt, pants,
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Speaker 1: whatever the clothing is when they begin to examine it,
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Speaker 1: and they'll also look at the concentration. Nancy, keep in mind,
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Speaker 1: as you've said many many times before, you always use
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Speaker 1: the analogy and I love this of the water hose
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Speaker 1: where you spray it, the tighter that grouping, the closer
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Speaker 1: the individual is. So if it's tightly concentrated, that means
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Speaker 1: that the proximity of the individual that it's on the
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Speaker 1: receiving end of this spatter. Okay, And they're saying this
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Speaker 1: Alec that it's going to be very tightly concentrated. The
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Speaker 1: closer he is to the body, further way it will
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Speaker 1: be spread out thirty six INSes. It's about an arm's length,
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Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about, which makes perfect sense. You're
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Speaker 1: holding the gun, you shoot and it they're not saying
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Speaker 1: is it on the chest, is it on the sleeve
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Speaker 1: of the shirt. We're talking about timing as he caught
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Speaker 1: on video wearing the same shirt or a different shirt,
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Speaker 1: And when can we identify he was wearing, so they
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Speaker 1: purported bloody shirt the night his wife and son were killed.
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Speaker 1: You know what, before we go too deep into blood spatter,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna reath visit. I want you to hear that
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Speaker 1: very night now. If this is true what Phitney's is reporting.
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Speaker 1: But we are hearing from our friend Matt Harris, wl NK.
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Speaker 1: If it's true, that means he was at the body
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Speaker 1: at the time of the shooting. That particular blood spatter
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Speaker 1: marking cannot be created in any other way. It's not
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Speaker 1: a transfer where he reached out and hugged the bodies
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Speaker 1: or touched the bodies. It's not a drop. For instance,
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Speaker 1: in Travis Alexander, when blood he was aspirating blood up
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Speaker 1: from all the stabs in his chest, his lungs were
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Speaker 1: filling up with blood. Travis Alexander goes to his bathroom
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Speaker 1: mirror and looks at himself as he is dying, and
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Speaker 1: blood drips down from the mouth or the nose, and
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Speaker 1: we see drop marks. It's not an orb it's a spatter.
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Speaker 1: Big difference under a microscope. But wait a minute, if
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Speaker 1: what Fitt and Us is saying, if what Matt Harris
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Speaker 1: is reporting, it's all correct. Then Alex Murdog managed to
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Speaker 1: call nine one one and say this. Take a listen.
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Speaker 1: Tell Murdo forty one forty seven Mozelle Road. I need
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Speaker 1: to believe my wife and child stop. Okay, you said
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Speaker 1: forty one forty seven Mortile Road in Alton, Sir, you
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Speaker 1: said forty one forty seven Mozelle Road in Alton. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: forty one forty Mozel Road. Yeah. Thursday on the line
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Speaker 1: with him me Okay, Collins and I have an Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdoch on the line, caller from forty one forty seven
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Speaker 1: Mozall Road. He's advising that his wife and child was shot. Okay,
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Speaker 1: forty one forty seven Mozelle Road. I've been up to
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Speaker 1: it now is bad? Okay? Okay? And are they breathing? No,
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Speaker 1: ma'am okay. And he said it's your wife and your son.
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Speaker 1: My wife and my son. Are they in a vehicle? No, man,
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Speaker 1: their own ground, out of my kennel. You know what,
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Speaker 1: There's just some things in life you just can't get
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Speaker 1: enough off and hearing Alex and Murdog. If Fit News
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Speaker 1: is right and I have no reason to believe they're
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Speaker 1: not right, think about this guy, making this ninel one
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Speaker 1: call when according to the blood and the blood doesn't lie,
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Speaker 1: his shirt is covered and high velocity blood spatter. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen. Here he is again. He just can't talk enough. Canny, Okay,
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Speaker 1: is bringing that all? No? No one? Okay, No, ma'am people, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: No color is your house on the outside? What color
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Speaker 1: is your house on the outside? Why you can't see
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Speaker 1: it from the road? Okay? Is it a house or
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Speaker 1: mobile home? Okay? And what is your name? My name
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Speaker 1: is Alex Murdoch. Okay, did you hear anything? Finger? Did
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Speaker 1: you come home and find them? Nobody? I've been gone.
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Speaker 1: I just came back. Anyone else, No, ma'am. We hurry,
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Speaker 1: We're getting somebody out there to you. Oh. Bobby Chicome,
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Speaker 1: Bobby Chicom, Bobby Chicomb nearly thirty years former FBI Asian
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Speaker 1: and Bobby chicoone dot com Bobby Bobby Bobby, Oh, how
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Speaker 1: I would love to be a fly on the wall
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Speaker 1: and watch him make that nine one one called it?
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Speaker 1: You hear all that blubbering and snodding and the the
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Speaker 1: tremulous wells? Yeah, I mean he became suddenly very literate.
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Speaker 1: When you have to say that I just got back.
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Speaker 1: I heard that. I even read that home. I've been gone. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he got the things that he needed to get out
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Speaker 1: very clearly and very articularly, and so he knew. It
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Speaker 1: was almost like a script. He knew what he had
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Speaker 1: to say. He obviously knows those calls are recorded, we
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Speaker 1: all do, and so he knew what he had to say,
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Speaker 1: and he walked. You listen to that call, it's almost
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Speaker 1: like a walkthrough of Hey, I didn't do this, And
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Speaker 1: so it's really interesting to hear that and to hear
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Speaker 1: how he goes from this blubbering guy who's who You
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Speaker 1: can hear the snock coming out, and he can't even
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Speaker 1: comport himself. And then all of a sudden, he's very
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Speaker 1: clear when he has to make the points that he
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Speaker 1: wants to make. Murdoch's defense team blasting prosecutors, claiming they're
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Speaker 1: hiding evidence including blood spatter and phone records. I can't
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Speaker 1: wait to read those phone records and leaking information about
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Speaker 1: the murders to the press. Why he's so concerned about
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Speaker 1: the press, He'd better be concerned about putting that case
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Speaker 1: together to go to trial. All that matters is what
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Speaker 1: the jury thinks, not what the press thinks or the
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Speaker 1: general population. They're not rendering a verdict. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at GMA Good Morning America. The defense
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Speaker 1: has filed a motion asking the judge to compel the
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Speaker 1: State to turn over the evidence immediately and to unseal
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Speaker 1: the details of the grand jury indictment. In a response filing,
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Speaker 1: the state calls the motion a blatant attempt to create
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Speaker 1: drama where formerly there was none, saying the state has
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Speaker 1: no desire to preclude the defense from any discovery, adding
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Speaker 1: day we'll send it over when the court greenlights it.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about the facts of the Murnog murders.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to read something. Listen to this, Matt Harris
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Speaker 1: joining me morning show host w L and K. Quote.
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Speaker 1: Multiple sources have told FIT that they and they keep
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Speaker 1: saying this over and over, high velocity impacts spatter and
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott put that in your head because I need
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Speaker 1: for you to go over that for me. Multiple sources,
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Speaker 1: multiple sources have told this news outlet that the high
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Speaker 1: velocity impact spatter has been independently analyzed and confirmed by
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Speaker 1: multiple forensic experts, including by at least one out of
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Speaker 1: State Laboratory. Put that in your head to Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: because I'm just wondering did they send it to Quantico?
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Speaker 1: Because if you're going to send it out of state,
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Speaker 1: why go from South Carolina to Alabama or Georgia or
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Speaker 1: North Carolina. If you're gonna send it somewhere, make account
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Speaker 1: man send it to the Feds. I mean, that's what
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Speaker 1: I'm just surmising. Because South Carolina, I mean, South Carolina
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Speaker 1: has their own crime lab, don't they. Matt Harris, Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: they do, probably more than one. I mean Georgia, we
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Speaker 1: need we have a major crime lab in Atlanta. But
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know South Carolina has got to have
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Speaker 1: their own crime lab. Sure, I mean they're backed up
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Speaker 1: a lot because of COVID and what other things are
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Speaker 1: going on, but they have one for sure, if not multiple.
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Speaker 1: So why would they send it next door to North
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Speaker 1: Carolina or to Tennessee or to Georgia. They wouldn't, right right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the FEDS have been roaming around
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Speaker 1: down on that area for a while. Now. We know that.
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Speaker 1: And I think that also to avoid any influenced by
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Speaker 1: the Murdochs. Thus my podcast Impact of Influence. I love
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Speaker 1: your podcast, Thank You, SLED wants to make sure, which
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Speaker 1: is South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, to make sure there's
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Speaker 1: no issues of influenced by the Murdochs. So they are
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Speaker 1: going to make sure or ask for the FEDS help,
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Speaker 1: I would assume, and not just have one of the
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Speaker 1: counties or state work down there, because they don't want
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Speaker 1: any impropriety acknowledge or thought about or rumored. So getting
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Speaker 1: the FEDS involved makes sense. Yeah, And as a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, that's what you name your podcast, And at
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Speaker 1: first I didn't quite get why you had such a
24:01
Speaker 1: long name for your podcast, but now I do. The
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Speaker 1: Murdoch Family murders Impact of Influence, and I thought that
24:08
Speaker 1: meant just how far reaching the Murdoch family influence was
24:14
Speaker 1: because their legal dynasty, they've been the prosecutors and they've
24:17
Speaker 1: had a civil law firm, which I think is an
24:19
Speaker 1: incredible conflict of interest because you're going to represent people
24:22
Speaker 1: that have been victims or purps in the cases that
24:26
Speaker 1: you're prosecuting. I mean, wow, anyway, that has lasted for
24:31
Speaker 1: decades and decades and decades, but in this case, the
24:35
Speaker 1: title of your podcast goes as well, impact of influence.
24:39
Speaker 1: They are sending sled South Carolina Law Enforcement Division is
24:44
Speaker 1: sending this evidence out, I think to the FEDS, although
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Speaker 1: that's not being reported where there is no partiality one
24:54
Speaker 1: way or the other, and nobody's got an ax to grind.
24:58
Speaker 1: So that's why they did that. And I want to
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Speaker 1: also point out that FIT is reporting that this is
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Speaker 1: just one piece of evidence of many pieces of evidence
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Speaker 1: that place Themrnock at the scene at the time of
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Speaker 1: the crime Bobby Coon. What can they be talking about?
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Speaker 1: NAV system on his car, GPS satellite on his phone, triangulation,
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Speaker 1: if he has watched subtraction, if he's got a fitness tractor.
25:34
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of a lot of different
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Speaker 1: things to you. Here's the problem. You may do all
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Speaker 1: that uh fitbit found car, all the NAV all the triangulation,
25:49
Speaker 1: but you gotta have the time of death narrowed down
25:55
Speaker 1: because you can prove he's there at eight pm. But
25:57
Speaker 1: what if you can't prove the death occurred at eight pm?
26:02
Speaker 1: What is the death accord at two pm? That's a problem. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was weird. We've been saying from the
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Speaker 1: beginning that it was odd to us that they picked
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Speaker 1: a very short period of time for the possible death
26:15
Speaker 1: because they released that that Alec made the call at
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven and they said the time of death
26:22
Speaker 1: was between nine and nine thirty. Well, that's according to
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Speaker 1: the autopsy report of Paul. That's a very short window.
26:30
Speaker 1: And you guys are better at the science things than me,
26:31
Speaker 1: but that seems like that's unusual to pin it down
26:35
Speaker 1: to a thirty minute span. Is that what they said?
26:37
Speaker 1: Matt Harris is jacoon right, and I think he is.
26:39
Speaker 1: Did they stay it was between nine and nine thirty
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Speaker 1: the time of yes, according to the autopsy report of Paul,
26:45
Speaker 1: nine and nine thirty, and alcohol was at ten o seven. Okay,
26:50
Speaker 1: so they calls at ten o seven the death between
26:53
Speaker 1: nine and nine thirty. Matt Harris and Bobby Chone. That
26:56
Speaker 1: is certainly food for thought. How did they do it?
26:58
Speaker 1: Just Scott Morgan, there maybe a way that they're doing
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Speaker 1: not scientifically, based on the body and the autopsy. It
27:05
Speaker 1: could be Maggie Murdog the wife made a phone call
27:08
Speaker 1: and had a conversation at eight forty five. Yeah, it's
27:11
Speaker 1: coming back to electronics and see listen to anybody that's
27:14
Speaker 1: worth their salt and forensics, particularly medical legal death investigation.
27:18
Speaker 1: Don't you don't ever, you don't ever narrow down beyond
27:22
Speaker 1: about a two to three hour window when you're talking
27:24
Speaker 1: about post mortem interval, that is the moment in time
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Speaker 1: when an individual died until you actually get a chance
27:30
Speaker 1: to examine the body. We are not fine tuned enough
27:33
Speaker 1: for that. That gives me an indication here that they're
27:36
Speaker 1: getting information from some other source that's going to pin
27:39
Speaker 1: this day instrinsic evidence to show time of death. And
27:42
Speaker 1: I remember they did find they did find Maggie's phone, uh,
27:46
Speaker 1: the next day, tossed on the side of the road
27:48
Speaker 1: and some weeks yeah, yeah, and they got a really
27:52
Speaker 1: long driveway and I understand that the phone was not
27:56
Speaker 1: far from the mailbox or is it on down the road, Matt,
27:59
Speaker 1: they had they had to drive to it. In fact,
28:02
Speaker 1: Michael Holst was talking with Alex brother and they said
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Speaker 1: that they got the information from Buster, the brother of Paul,
28:14
Speaker 1: and how to ping Maggie's phone. So they started walking
28:18
Speaker 1: around on the property. They couldn't find it, and then
28:23
Speaker 1: John Marvin got in a car with law enforcement and
28:26
Speaker 1: drove to where the phone was and they found it. Wow,
28:30
Speaker 1: that's really valuable information. Hey, guys, all of this that
28:34
Speaker 1: we're learning for those of you just joining us. According
28:37
Speaker 1: to fit News, high velocity impact spatter on Alex Murlock's shirt,
28:45
Speaker 1: the shirt he was wearing the nine his wife and
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Speaker 1: son were murdered. High velocity impact blood spatter directly ties
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Speaker 1: him to the double homicide, and with this backdrop about
28:57
Speaker 1: the blood spatter placing him at the bodies at the
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Speaker 1: time they were shot dead, take a listen to him
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Speaker 1: on his nine one one call, and then we'll give
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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz a crack at it. Take a listen, Okay.
29:14
Speaker 1: What is her name Maggie? Maggie and Paul Maggie and
29:22
Speaker 1: her name Deef. Okay, and please hurry. We're getting somebody
29:29
Speaker 1: out there to you and me asking you these questions.
29:31
Speaker 1: Don't flow them down, Okay? Are you sure they're not breathing?
29:42
Speaker 1: Is he moving out? Your son? I know you said
29:45
Speaker 1: that she was shot, but what about your son? Nobody,
29:51
Speaker 1: they're not neither one open. What is your telephone number?
30:06
Speaker 1: And does anything look out of place? Not particularly really, no, ma'am. Okay,
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Speaker 1: straight out to doctor Sherry Schwartz for Itasic Psychologi, specializing
30:26
Speaker 1: and capital mitigation at panther mitigation dot Com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz,
30:31
Speaker 1: what do you make of it? Well, I think, you know,
30:34
Speaker 1: going back earlier to what you and mister Chakom, we're
30:36
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that he sounds so upset in
30:39
Speaker 1: between the questions, but when he has to articulate the
30:42
Speaker 1: answers to the questions, he seems to do that just fine.
30:46
Speaker 1: He even is able to collect himself enough to sort
30:49
Speaker 1: of I'm imagining him looking around to see if anything's
30:51
Speaker 1: out of place before answering that question, and that to
30:55
Speaker 1: me seems very odd. I don't know what his psychopathology is.
31:00
Speaker 1: I've never met this person, but you know, it's this
31:05
Speaker 1: seems to be a group of people, the Murdoch's family
31:08
Speaker 1: that has a high degree of comfort being around death right.
31:13
Speaker 1: The housekeeper I believe was killed at one point or
31:16
Speaker 1: died in their presence, and they don't seem to have
31:20
Speaker 1: a right, They don't seem to have a lot of empathy,
31:24
Speaker 1: and yet he seems to do a remarkable job of
31:27
Speaker 1: sounding like he's got this empathy for his apparently deceased
31:32
Speaker 1: loved One Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Alex Murdog's lawyers
31:48
Speaker 1: hit the news headlines again accusing the state of withholding
31:52
Speaker 1: evidence and leaking to their press. Now this brings to
31:55
Speaker 1: mind when one of Alex Murdog's lawyers went public claimed
32:00
Speaker 1: Murdog had a brain injury, that he had been attacked
32:04
Speaker 1: on the road by an unknown assailant. Blah blah blah. Well,
32:07
Speaker 1: Murdog showed up in court with a band aid, as
32:11
Speaker 1: I recall, that's no brain injury, a band aid. He
32:15
Speaker 1: looked fine. So you can't always believe what a lawyer
32:20
Speaker 1: says when a microphone is in front of his face.
32:24
Speaker 1: And regarding that unknown assailant, Yeah, that was a lie too,
32:30
Speaker 1: turns out according to Murdog. Of course, you know you
32:34
Speaker 1: got to take that with a box assault. According to Murdog,
32:38
Speaker 1: he had a longtime friend many people say, drug supplayer
32:43
Speaker 1: shoot him in the head so his living son, the
32:47
Speaker 1: only son left living, could get the proceeds of a
32:51
Speaker 1: life insurance policy. I wonder if he didn't have himself
32:55
Speaker 1: shot in the head to make it appear as if
32:59
Speaker 1: the killer of his wife Maggie and son Paul was
33:04
Speaker 1: after him too, distancing himself from their murders. Well, I
33:09
Speaker 1: guess we'll find that out when this finally goes to trial,
33:12
Speaker 1: the defense team making a big bluster about evidence deadlines
33:18
Speaker 1: and leaking to the press. But what are the real
33:20
Speaker 1: facts of the case, Matt Harris joining us from wl
33:23
Speaker 1: n K. At least one of the murder weapons was
33:27
Speaker 1: owned by the Alex Murdoch family. Well, we know that
33:31
Speaker 1: the Murdoch did own an AR fifteen that uses the
33:34
Speaker 1: m with it was found by the three hundred blackout
33:36
Speaker 1: according the ball Street Journal, but that was not recovered
33:39
Speaker 1: or turned over for inspection, is what we're hearing. So
33:42
Speaker 1: that now, so that leaves us to believe if you
33:45
Speaker 1: take every report and put altogether, that maybe the shotgun
33:48
Speaker 1: was found, but that is still again one of those
33:52
Speaker 1: rumors that's out there, and the R fifteen coccord of
33:55
Speaker 1: the journal that's not Then the murdoch owned one was
33:59
Speaker 1: not collected. We're not sure why that was. Again, the
34:03
Speaker 1: time of the deaths has been placed between nine and
34:06
Speaker 1: nine thirty. That evening law enforcements very clear that that's
34:11
Speaker 1: the window of the martyrs. Yeah, well, I mean he
34:14
Speaker 1: was at the hospital at one point with his dad,
34:17
Speaker 1: who died a few days later, but he was actually
34:21
Speaker 1: at his mom, who suffers from Alzheimer's and dementia at
34:26
Speaker 1: her house at from nine to nine in that range
34:29
Speaker 1: nine thirty watching a game show or something, and she
34:34
Speaker 1: has a And the word is that she has a
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Speaker 1: caretaker that was there at that time to do the vouching.
34:43
Speaker 1: I don't know it's true, but it's a very short
34:45
Speaker 1: drive from her mom's house. I've driven it from the
34:48
Speaker 1: mom's his mom's house to the hunting area. I mean
34:54
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, maybe fifteen straight back to Bobby Icon. How
34:57
Speaker 1: do you make sense of what you're hearing right now
35:00
Speaker 1: from Matt Harris Well, I think you know, as doctor
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Speaker 1: Joe even alluded to Droller, I don't think these time
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Speaker 1: frames can be that exact. I think these are approximations.
35:08
Speaker 1: I think both at the time of death and these
35:10
Speaker 1: times of travel and the times he left, I think
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Speaker 1: these are very approximations. Do I mean if you ask
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Speaker 1: me of my day yesterday, I could give you approximate
35:18
Speaker 1: times and when I did certain things, But those aren't
35:20
Speaker 1: going to be to the minute. Those are going to
35:21
Speaker 1: be also minus five ten minutes, depending on what I
35:24
Speaker 1: was doing. Not really. If you use yourself funding your
35:27
Speaker 1: NAV data off of your car it will be down
35:30
Speaker 1: to the minute if that's used, Sir malis video. It
35:32
Speaker 1: was time to stamp to same thing that it's stamped correctly, right,
35:35
Speaker 1: Which is why, which is why his lawyers are snowing
35:38
Speaker 1: by his own statements and saying you had an airtight alibi,
35:41
Speaker 1: when the police are saying, no, he's a suspect in
35:44
Speaker 1: this case. He's a person of interest in this double
35:46
Speaker 1: homicide because his statements of when he did certain things
35:50
Speaker 1: may not match up with the electronics that they now have.
35:53
Speaker 1: I mean, the lawyer is saying this. Jim Griffin, who
35:57
Speaker 1: is Alex Murnock's lawyer, is set saying, quote, I assure
36:01
Speaker 1: you we have Alex's whereabouts for completely that time that
36:06
Speaker 1: night he's sitting on the bedside of his mother at
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Speaker 1: her house when the coroner says the murder has happened
36:11
Speaker 1: watching a game show on TV. How many times have
36:15
Speaker 1: people relied on what's on TV at the time a
36:20
Speaker 1: murder or a crime occurred. That doesn't always pan out
36:24
Speaker 1: the way you think it's going to pan out. Another
36:27
Speaker 1: thing to you, Matt. We also understand that this is
36:30
Speaker 1: now one of the largest and most complex criminal corruption
36:35
Speaker 1: investigations ever in Palmetto State history. This has gone now
36:40
Speaker 1: into corruption how well I mean Alex has been I
36:45
Speaker 1: think there's seventy one charges against him, a little over
36:48
Speaker 1: eight million dollars that he's allegstro taken from clients, but
36:52
Speaker 1: the number is estimated by most to be more like
36:55
Speaker 1: twelve or fifteen or something. There's a judge that has
37:00
Speaker 1: come under fire because she signed off on the settlement
37:06
Speaker 1: with the sadder Field kids, but it was worded oddly.
37:10
Speaker 1: It seemed to be hidden within the system. So note
37:13
Speaker 1: so the Beach family is good bye and facilitated all
37:18
Speaker 1: of the embezzlement. Oh, there's got to be there. I
37:20
Speaker 1: think that there has to be plenty of people involved.
37:24
Speaker 1: You would think. I don't think over ten years you
37:26
Speaker 1: can take like fifteen million dollars and do it alone.
37:29
Speaker 1: In the last hours, Alex and Murdock got a South
37:31
Speaker 1: Carolina's lawyers have piped up claiming prosecutors are hiding evidence
37:39
Speaker 1: and leaking information about the murders of Murdoch's wife and
37:43
Speaker 1: son to the press. Every day that passes makes it
37:47
Speaker 1: more difficult for Alec Murdoch and his attorney to get
37:50
Speaker 1: prepared for trial. It's trial by ambush, give us the stuff.
37:54
Speaker 1: You went to a grand jury and saying you got
37:56
Speaker 1: enough evidence to convict Alec Murdock convention jury beyond a
37:59
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. Where is it. I don't have a shred
38:03
Speaker 1: of paper, I don't have an email, I don't have
38:06
Speaker 1: an exhibit, I don't have any evidence. But right now
38:11
Speaker 1: I want you to hear this. WCIV ABC four Charleston
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Speaker 1: reporter Anne Emerson evidence delivered ay Alec Murdoch murder case.
38:20
Speaker 1: The defense says it's gotten what it wanted after a
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Speaker 1: tense day in court earlier this week. Our investigative reporter
38:27
Speaker 1: Ann Emerson has been on top of this case from
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Speaker 1: day one. So Anne, do we have any new reaction
38:32
Speaker 1: for Murdock's lawyers tonight, Well, Katy. Alec Murdock's defense team says,
38:36
Speaker 1: as they download the content of the state's case today,
38:39
Speaker 1: they are evaluating it. In a statement we received, they
38:43
Speaker 1: say they look forward to reviewing the state's materials and
38:47
Speaker 1: allegations immediately so they can quote continue to build a
38:51
Speaker 1: defense for our clients. So we're ready for trial in
38:55
Speaker 1: less than six months. This is the real moment for
38:58
Speaker 1: the defense to discover what they're up against whether or
39:01
Speaker 1: not there is enough to convict Alec Murdoch of these
39:03
Speaker 1: double murders. I spoke with South Carolina former Attorney General
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Speaker 1: Charlie Condon. Condon says it will be critical for the
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Speaker 1: defense to decide whether Murdoch takes a stand due to
39:14
Speaker 1: the intense media scrutiny as well as the sensitive nature
39:17
Speaker 1: of the murder evidence. The judge puts some of the
39:20
Speaker 1: evidence under a temporary protective order, but according to Condon,
39:24
Speaker 1: that should not hinder either side from evaluating it. However,
39:29
Speaker 1: as this state prosecutor Creighton Water set in court Monday,
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Speaker 1: this evidence could fetch millions of dollars if it landed
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Speaker 1: in the wrong hands. This protective order will make sure
39:38
Speaker 1: that if the evidence does get out, the responsible parties
39:42
Speaker 1: will be held accountable and could face jail time. We
39:46
Speaker 1: are waiting for this to go to trial and hopefully
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Speaker 1: a true verdict we will be rendered. Nancy Grace Crime
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Speaker 1: Story signing off, goodbye friend.