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CHEMTRAIL WARFARE: Tom Renz Exposes the Military’s SECRET Chemical Attacks on Americans · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Seth Holehouse: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So right now, thankfully, I think by the grace of God and the actions of of you, the viewer, the public awareness of geoengineering is just going through the roof. It's incredible. I'm seeing it being discussed not just in the echo chamber of Twitter or x, but, with friends and family on Facebook.
• 0:40
  It seems like what's happening, it doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you're on, is that people are becoming aware of the fact that these trails up in the sky that not sure about you, but I don't remember growing up in the countryside of Ohio looking up and seeing trails everywhere. I remember seeing rainy days, cloudy days, and sunny days with nice big fluffy clouds. None of this crap that we're seeing now whenever we walk out outdoors. But, thankfully, though, a lot of Americans and people around the world, but, you know, talking about here in America are seeing this. And right now, there are, I think, over 30 states that have legislation going against this.
• 1:15
  But in today's interview with my good friend attorney Tom Rinz, we'll be diving into how we can affect change, why what's happening at the state level absolutely matters, why the power does lie in each individuals, but also looking at where is this coming from, who's funding this, and actually, the more you dig into it, surprise, surprise, everything points towards the military industrial complex, the billionaire class, Bill Gates, the Rockefellers, etcetera, and people that are seemingly out of touch from us, you know, the common plebs, the the cattle they're preying on. But, actually, what you realize is that we have a lot of powers. This can be a very good interview. It's gonna be an important interview to share with your friends and family because we have to get more people aware of this information. Before we jump in, though, I have a quick important note.
• 2:03
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• 2:17
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• 2:33
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• 2:44
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• 2:59
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• 3:14
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• 3:29
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• 3:42
  Okay? Let's let's end this. Alright. So let's dive into the interview with Tom Rens. Mister Tom Rins, it is great to have you back on the show.
• 3:51
  Thank you so much for joining us today.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to be here, Seth. Really, really excited. I love the topic today too.
• 3:59
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. It looks like you're coming from, the, like, the set of the bug's life. Are you in, like, a giant forest somewhere in a giant field of grass?
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, sort of. I I'm I'm on the West Coast, so I'm traveling right now. And, you know, I don't really have, like, a great, like, background setup for Zoom. And so instead of looking at my hotel room, I figured you guys could look at grass.
• 4:24
  I love And in light of the fact that we're talking about, you know, things in fact affecting our environment and other such things, I'd like it now. We'll we'll go with grass.
• 4:33
  Seth Holehouse: It's perfect. So I'm gonna just kinda just dive right into this. I've got a short video clip of an interview that Dell Big Tree recently did with an attorney that's working on some, exposing some of the geoengineering, you know, topics. And then I I really wanna get into things with you because we have a lot of movement at the state level. I know you've been very involved with that.
• 4:52
  I've got a lot of other questions, but let's go and start with this. It's a few it's a longer it's a clip of a longer interview. I'll play maybe three or four minutes out of it with this woman that was being interviewed on Dell Big Tree, and we'll start here, then we'll there's gonna a lot of places we can go from this.
• 5:08
  Speaker 3: And so what we did is we did a deeper dive into the military spraying pesticides and different chemicals. And so we actually have already released a legal update on this Mhmm. And received a really positive response to that in terms of people understanding the information, and now they're going out and wanting to learn more about if there's any spraying in their local area. But, basically, we discovered that the United States Air Force has a specialized unit that's dedicated to just spraying these chemicals. There's over 20 dangerous chemicals that they're spraying.
• 5:40
  We know that these can cause health effects as severe as cancer. And so we went the legal update explains all of that. But I want to kind of go into this a little bit more to explain the evolution of some of our research to you and how we've expanded Okay. Our subject matter from just plane spraying. So, basically, you'll see here, these are the c one thirty airplanes.
• 6:00
  These are being loaded with chemicals. This is from the Air Force website.
• 6:04
  Seth Holehouse: Okay.
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: You'll see here now the planes are spraying those chemicals. And, again, these are at really low levels. And this isn't just, you know, out in a field. This is actually in residential areas that they're doing this, and the idea is for mosquito control and other measures. For example, on the screen, you're gonna see a map.
• 6:20
  So we asked for the maps. We wanted to know where they were spraying. And so this map just it just shows you how off balance this seems. Right? So this map shows circled areas that they avoided when they were spraying.
• 6:34
  This is near Langley Air Force Base in Virginia. They and this this was for mosquito control. So they were spraying for Dibron or, Naylid, which is, an organophosphate that will kill adult mosquitoes. So and by the way, it's banned in the EU. They don't even use it there.
• 6:51
  Wow. Our military is spraying it here.
• 6:54
  Speaker 4: And obviously, if it's over mosquitoes, it's over people. Right. Can we imagine that at least in this? I mean, it looks like they're doing it just like we would imagine describing chemtrail. There's these lines in the sky.
• 7:06
  Does it leave lines? Is that do you think the people looked up that day and saw what this looks like? Are they seeing lines the sky when this is being sprayed?
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: Yes. So you can see in this image that in that particular image, you can see a blue cloud basically from the spraying. It's not gonna look like those lines that you might see in that image, but you will be able to see this spring. It's not just entirely translucent. Okay.
• 7:29
  So you would be able to see it if it's happening. But just looking at this map again, the circled areas, those represent areas that had bald eagles nests. So they avoided the areas with the bald eagles nests so that they wouldn't kill the baby bald eagles, But they didn't circle any residential areas.
• 7:44
  Speaker 4: That's amazing.
• 7:46
  Speaker 3: Again, we're trying to protect from mosquitoes and mosquito borne illnesses, but is the cure worse than the disease? Right. You know?
• 7:54
  Seth Holehouse: So I feel like that is a good place for us to start. Because one of the questions I've oftentimes had as I've tried to understand what's behind this spraying is how they're funding it, who's doing it. Because the fact that I can walk out on any given day and see 10 different chemtrails streaking across the sky makes me wonder if this is happening all over America and not just America, but all over the world. This must be a, gosh, a multibillion dollar, maybe even a trillion dollar operation that's going on. So, Tom, I know that you've been central to a lot of the legal movement that we're seeing to get geoengineering banned.
• 8:36
  But I'll just hand it to you wherever you wanna start. But I thought that was a good introduction to our conversation today.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a great introduction, and there's answers for everything that you're asking. Right? And I'm working with the group Global Wellness Forum, and then Sarah Gee and Marlon Maples and that group, and a whole bunch of other experts. And we've taken on this, and we've been pushing and trying to drive this. We're up to 32 states, I believe, have bills trying to ban some of the geoengineering and some of the spraying and some of that and other.
• 9:06
  So you know, we found a number of things with this. One of the things that's interesting is, you know, the attorney there was talking about the spraying again for mosquitoes, right? But there's a number of reasons that they're spraying that are credible, Right? So first of all, we've got to start out with, is it real? Because of course, the federal government says these are contrails, not chemtrails, and there's nothing to see here.
• 9:33
  Right? So much like they told us that masks work and that the COVID vaccines were safe and effective and that they're just protecting us. I mean, they just lie every time they speak. So here's the deal. So for me, I started out, and I always found evidence.
• 9:48
  And the first thing that I did was I said, well, are are chemtrails real? And, Seth, you know, you're kind of a, you know, just a logical guy, a a good thinker. You know, you're reason this through. And, I think I got a few years on you, but we're we're both old enough to remember when we were kids. And you'd look up in the sky and you'd see a contrail behind an airplane, and you would see that it was much brighter right behind the airplane, and a few miles back it was dissipating, and over the course of two to three minutes it's gone.
• 10:20
  Right? And that's what you would expect if you follow the physics and the science of a contrail. So I look up and I see, so there's got to be something going on because now when we look up, see zigzag lines like you showed in that video that are across there and they stay up there for twelve hours or more. Right? So to start there, I say, well, what's going on?
• 10:44
  The first thing we have to do is prove that these are chemtrails, not contrails. Right? So I start digging. And the way that you do this is, well, what is a contrail? What how does it work with that and other?
• 10:58
  And it's complicated. It's ridiculously complicated. They get into these thermodynamics and all these things that are just crazy. But, basically, a contrail is caused because a plane is flying at altitude, and there's there's a certain amount of humidity and a certain temperature and certain this and certain that. And the pressure from from the airplane because it's of course, a jet engine works by creating pressure that pushes an airplane forward, but coupled with the exhaust leaves a trail of condensation that's that kind of circles around the soot from the engine, and then it stays up there.
• 11:36
  And in a traditional contrail, in most situations, it'll dissipate in two minutes or less. Right? Now why then do we see these long lasting, you know, things that are there for eight, twelve hours and what had to happen? So I do this research, right, and I look and there's a couple very, very credible scientists that have done a lot of work on contrails and what they are and how they form. And there's kind of a there's a few different things that are happening.
• 12:05
  First of all, chemtrails are real. They're legitimate. And there's a number of different things they're spraying. Yes, they're spraying the mosquito stuff, but they're also almost inarguably spraying solar radiation management materials. And this ties into climate change, which is going to answer your question about the funding.
• 12:24
  It's also going to tie in to how it is that they've been able to do this without anybody being able to discover it because they've run it through the national security apparatus. Then the other thing you got to look at is how do we prove how do we demonstrate that it's real? And in terms of demonstrating it's real, it really comes down to the science. So what you're seeing there, I'm guessing that's a time lapse. I have no idea what the time lapse is on that.
• 12:48
  But globally, conditions necessary in the air for a contrail to persist only exist in about 10 to 20% of the atmosphere. So when we see these perpetual and it's spotty, right? So you aren't going to get a thousand mile long chemtrail that persists for eight hours. That's statistically impossible based on the science behind us. So let me give you an example, and I'm I gotta read from some notes here because it's it's it's complicated.
• 13:24
  So so when you look at this, the formation of these persistent contrails, they depend on on precise atmospheric conditions. Right? At cruising altitude for airplanes, is, you know, 30 to 40,000 feet, that's in what's called the upper troposphere. Our our atmosphere is in layers, and troposphere is one of them. Right?
• 13:48
  And, you know, generally between twenty five and forty thousand. So contrails arise when vapor emitted from an aircraft exhaust typically at a rate of about 1.25 kilograms per kilogram of jet fuel burnt. Right? And the reason that's important is because when the jet fuels burn, it release salt.
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• 15:33
  Speaker 2: So there's there's dirt in the exhaust. Right? And that dirt goes out there. And when the atmospheric conditions are right, which means that you've got a certain amount of humidity and the temperature is below 40 degrees, minus 40 Celsius, that contrail can form and persist in certain instances. Now the thing that's key is you have to have certain certain levels of humidity, and it's it's the scientific explanation.
• 16:03
  They talk about RHI, relative humidity with respect to ice. It's got to be at 100%. And to sustain these, right, to sustain these at all. In RHI, below anything below a % is a maximum of thirty minutes. Anything above can go a little bit longer, but really you shouldn't expect it to be there for more than two hours.
• 16:26
  So my point in telling you this is these are the requirements for a contrail. The there there's almost no explanation that anyone can find naturally for these chemtrails that we see that are lasting eight hours or more. They just don't work based on the science and the physics. And I've got tons of studies. I'm looking over a list of studies that all back that up.
• 16:51
  So we can actually show using the science, if I put a witness on the stand and I cross examine them, I'm going to be able to demonstrate without any question that there is no plausible explanation for these other than they are chemicals being sprayed into the sky that are facilitating this. Now that's backed up further. I don't want to go on to so yeah I'm gonna I've got a lot this is complicated and I don't want to get like so feel free to interrupt me. But what is this really about? Well, and it looks like and you know, she mentioned the lawyer there mentioned that those blue chemtrails, they're a little harder to see.
• 17:32
  That's not what we're seeing. That's happening for sure. No question. But what you're seeing is most almost certainly about the solar radiation management. Right?
• 17:46
  Bill Gates and a lot of other people have talked about reflecting the sun out to prevent climate change. Right? They want to spray stuff in the sky, have less sun hit the ground, to stop global warming. And we've all heard about that, I assume. So what they're doing is they're looking at a couple different formulas of things they can spray up there, and it would be persistent up there.
• 18:09
  It would spread into clouds because that would be the intent of it, right? If you want to spray something up there that's going to reflect the sun out, you want it to spread out like a cloud and to stay up there and to block the sun out for a long period of time. So the stuff that they're spraying up there is almost certainly about the solar radiation management. Going back to 2016, John Brennan, who at the time was the head of the Obama CIA, actually said that, you know, spraying these solar radiation management things into the sky is a cheap easy solution. That's what we need to be doing.
• 18:46
  So they've been working on this since Obama, right? And the really important thing about Brennan saying that is that as a part of the CIA, remember, if there's a CIA program to do that, it's not going to be discoverable. You can't run a FOIA and find out what the CIA is doing. When things are designated as national security and classified, you can't find them. She can't can FOIA the military all she wants.
• 19:13
  She's not going to find out about these programs if they're classified, which I think they were. The reason that I can say that, and I can back that up further, we see numerous credible reports of planes that don't appear on the flight tracker logs that are leaving these chemtrails, right? Who has authority to do that? Only the military or our intelligence agencies. So, these programs are almost certainly being ran through the military.
• 19:43
  Biden issued an executive order calling climate change a national security threat that allowed them to run these through the military. So, military, the CIA, can run these programs. The planes can't be tracked because they're not there. NOAA requires that any sort of weather spraying. There's a law that requires that anybody who's gonna gonna do any sort of geoengineering stuff wants to spray it in the sky, they have to report it with NOAA, not the military, not someone partnered with the military.
• 20:14
  It's the only exemption. So when you start putting these things together, it really becomes kind of of clear what's going on. You've got the military running these programs. We don't know for sure how prevalent they are. We don't know for sure what's going on.
• 20:28
  And I will say we should also recognize that fuel additives and fuel fuel, for for jets has changed over the years. So there is an argument that some of the contrails are persisting longer because of that. We can't rule that out, but it's certainly not the case across the board. There's really no question that these are real.
• 20:48
  Seth Holehouse: And, actually, so here is the, this is a little a minute and a half long. This is John Brennan talking at the CFR about this. So I'll I'll play this because this obviously adds context to our discussion.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Another example is the array of technologies, often referred to collectively as geoengineering, that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of global climate change. One that has gained my personal attention is stratospheric aerosol injection or SAI, a method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun's heat in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do. An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional time to transition from fossil fuels. This process is also relatively inexpensive.
• 21:38
  The National Research Council estimates that a fully deployed SAI program would cost about $10,000,000,000 yearly. As promising as it may be, moving forward on SAI would also raise a number of challenges for our government and for the international community.
• 21:54
  Seth Holehouse: So there you have it, I mean, from the horse's mouth. And as you know, if the CIA is out talking about something they might be doing, they've been doing it for thirty years without us knowing or giving them approval for doing it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: No question. Well and then let's take it a step forward. Right? So that's 2016. Joe Biden comes in.
• 22:15
  He signs up for the Paris Climate Accord. He signs up we passed the Green New Deal, which has billions and billions of dollars of funding for all sorts of nonsense. We also have USAID. We have all these things. So let's look at how this all comes together, right?
• 22:30
  Biden issues an executive order and says, hey, climate change is a national security threat. Well, what that does is that allows our military to be involved and do whatever it needs to do, can classify it, can do whatever it needs to, and no one can track or trace it. You can't FOIA it, you can't find out, and they can do this. Also, you know, through USAID and through some of these other corrupt things that they found, remember these guys can partner with foreign NGOs. Foreign NGOs, they don't have to report anything in The US unless it's subject to US law like the know all thing.
• 23:07
  But, if they partner with the military or the CIA to combat some global security threat like, say, climate change, then they could be exempted from those reporting requirements. And they could be, you know, they could be allowed to do this in conjunction with, you know, you know, with their flights not being tracked. So they can run all of this, and the law is there. Right? The law is all there.
• 23:35
  You can follow the executive orders. You can follow everything. None of the laws about any of this actually do anything. No one explicitly authorizes these geoengineering bills or geoengineering projects, but they don't block them either and there's funding for whatever it takes. Well, whatever it takes is pretty broad, especially when you have Biden out there saying that climate change is the end of the world, so we have to do whatever it takes.
• 24:01
  So then you move on. Now one of the other things that Brennan said there that was critical was he said like volcanoes. So that leads to a couple things. Right? So the question is what are they spraying in the sky?
• 24:15
  There's the top two most likely solutions in terms of what they're spraying. One would be a sulfur based spray and the other would be an aluminum based spray. There's a lot of people that have talked about I've got a research trail on those. Those are the top two. Now there's also talks of barium and a bunch of other things.
• 24:37
  And you know, some of these geoengineering experts can talk about this in great, great detail. But from a lawyer's perspective, when we talk about the well, sulfur is what is similar to what the volcano spews. Right? So that's why that's, you know, number one. But the problem with sulfur is when you spray it, it creates acid rain, and there's a lot of laws out there about sulfur, and the environmentalist wackos kind of and I'm an environmentalist.
• 25:03
  I just don't I believe that you have to actually follow science rather than just make stuff up like geoengineering and climate change. The whackos out there, they don't like the sulfur stuff too much. So the alternative solution and the sulfur lasts about one to two years in the atmosphere is my understanding. The simplest rays that they've got. The aluminum based spray is another story.
• 25:30
  Now I don't know how long that lasts, but that's kind of a favorite thing. Now the problem with it, though, is aluminum is a neurotoxin. It's thought to be associated with autism, And this ties in with the greater MAHA agenda, right? Because understand, you know, we're trying to figure out why autism rates are heading towards one and two. Well, remember, aluminum seems to be tied to autism.
• 25:54
  That's not conclusive, but it certainly appears to there certainly appears to be a correlation. See that through the vaccine stuff, you know. Well, if they're spraying aluminum into the sky, there's an issue. Now there's a guy did a study out of California, and he found that, you know, after the doing chem chemtrail stuff, that the baseline levels of aluminum in that area of California were 87,000 times higher than they should be. So, it looks like they're spraying some of the aluminum stuff as well.
• 26:25
  So, again, the problem is we know they're spraying something. We can show that these trails in the sky aren't natural and don't fit with what a contrail should do. What we don't know is precisely what they're spraying, how often they're spraying, how much they're spraying, how much is Contrail versus Chemtrail. There's a lot of unanswered questions. What's not unanswered is the fact that it's happening.
• 26:50
  It's definitely happening. We just don't know the extent or what. Now I will tell you some of the experts out there talk about it very authoritatively, and they have a lot of evidence to back up what they're saying. Again, as an attorney, I can only look at the evidence presented and evidence that I have in my hand and evaluate what it is. And at this point, I will tell you that I would go to court any day and twice on Fridays and argue that contrails are not the only thing in the sky.
• 27:17
  Chemtrails are real. I would go there. I would feel very comfortable that I could make that argument. I could show it using math, science, and physics. I would also argue that that that is part of this kind of the circumstantial evidence around this, which is really important.
• 27:36
  Right? Circumstantial evidence is important. If you see if you see, you know, a gun on the ground next to someone who was shot and there's a fingerprint on that gun and it belongs to someone, that's circumstantial evidence. Right? It doesn't show you didn't see the guy shoot someone, but his fingerprints on the gun that shot him.
• 27:57
  Right? So circumstantial evidence can be very critical. When we the circumstantial evidence around this, when we look at John Brennan talking about this, when we look at, you know, all of the different public officials that have talked about this over the years, the big push, and when we look at the the the support for this both publicly and privately, it appears very, very, very likely. I would say we're well past preponderance of the evidence that chemtrails are real. In fact, I would say that we're probably approaching clear convincing and I would even say beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 28:28
  Then the other thing that we're not looking at and that we really ought to look at, and I wanna pull up my notes on this because I've got some really interesting things here. So the people who are backing it. Right? Do you know that the Rockefeller Foundation put up a billion dollars, with a b, to support these sort of climate change initiatives. A billion dollars.
• 28:56
  So you got the Rockefeller Foundation. You've got the Gates crew. You've got all these different groups that are out there doing this stuff. And, there's a ton of them. There's a ton of them.
• 29:09
  And they're they've all been outspoken. They've all been pushing. We've to stop climate change. It's the end of the world. The world's gonna implode.
• 29:16
  We're all gonna die. They all have motive. Motive being we got to stop climate change or we're going to die. They all have opportunity. There's no law banning this, and there's a ton of funding through different government programs, different this, that, and apparent government support on the federal level for this.
• 29:38
  So, got motive, they got opportunity, and they have the means, right? So, when you have motive, you have opportunity, you have means, you have a pretty strong case that this is likely happening. I mean, it just it just strikes me as inarguable.
• 29:55
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, me too. And but I wanna so I know that right now, pulled this little, thing. This is from Sayergy who who had shared this. This is from the Global Wellness Forum that I think now we're up to 32 states that are, as this in this graphic indicates, have a legislation or a resolution to either disclose, prohibit, or criminalize weather modification activities. Now I've got a few different questions around this.
• 30:18
  One is I'd I'd love to know what your involvement has been behind this, you know, which I want you to start with that. But then the broader question I have, though, is if this is a black budget military operation, something done without congressional oversight, something done the same ways that they've always done these operations that they're paying third party contractors that aren't, you know, with money funneled through slush funds and USAID type activity, then even if there's all these laws passed, from my understanding, these laws don't even come close to limiting what the military industrial complex is doing. I mean, it'd be one thing if, you know, say your local river had pollutants in it, and you went and you found that, oh, this manufacturer that manufactures tires, they're dumping their their chemicals into the river, and now it's caused cancer in this town downstream. It's very easy. Okay?
• 31:14
  It's a for profit company that is illegally disposing of waste. It's it's affecting people. You know, to me, that's, you know, probably a pretty easy class action lawsuit. The plant's getting shut down, but this is something entirely different. Like, what we're talking about here is a global operation funded through black budget, you know, kind of money working with later that video with on Dell Bigtree, she talks about Battelle, you know, and how Battelle research, which is Battelle actually, you know, big there's factories all over, Ohio.
• 31:46
  I almost I almost got an internship out of school at Battelle in Columbus, funny enough. There's a it was a Battelle actually very close to where I grew up out in West Jefferson that now I have learned was a place that they're manufacturing biological weapons. Right? So this is this stuff's happening within our own communities. But, I mean, even if if, again, these we have states that are passing legislation to even criminalize weather modification activities.
• 32:14
  Well, if this stuff is being driven by Bill Gates and the the Rockefellers, the military industrial complex, the CIA, do we have any hope there? So I'll let you go and first get you know, give your involvement in these these legislations and these resolutions, but also then getting the the bigger and broader picture of can we even stop this?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Well, so my involvement is as, well, as much as I can be. Right? So Global Wellness Forum was looking for some initiatives, and this is one of them I recommended. And we have created we've got a geoengineering council. A lot of experts, a lot of brilliant people who are expressing a lot of I mean, just great, great stuff.
• 32:56
  They've worked with a number of groups, a number of different people around the place to promote these to promote this idea and this legislation. And it's been very effective and an incredible collaboration. I've been very proud of what this entity is doing. I mean, we're just getting started with this. This is a new organization, and we're already, you know, seeing this kind of success.
• 33:16
  It's a really it's a big deal. It's a big deal. So I am there. I've been behind the scenes. I've been kinda, you know, as involved as I can on many things.
• 33:27
  But a lot of the credit goes to the people on the ground in The States, much like everything else. But here's I want I'm really glad you asked the second part of that because I wanna get to that. Because, you know, I see this and I see people. Well, what goods are gonna do to pass state legislation? A lot of good.
• 33:43
  A lot of good. So let's look at this the way that we looked at COVID. Because I would say that the geoengineering operations, in terms of the the way that they've been implemented and facilitated, are very similar to what they did with COVID. Right? So with COVID, you got a bioweapon that was created in labs around the world secretly.
• 34:04
  It was released. You know, they claim it was an accidental release. But I mean, we I don't think it was accidental, and I'm actually working on some legal arguments for that too. And, you know, you've got the problem. You've got the vaccines that are also out there, and you've got this whole thing that was done covertly with these black ops.
• 34:26
  And then when it came out, remember, everything about COVID was ran through the military. If you got a vaccine, you didn't get a Pfizer vaccine. You got a US military vaccine. Right? The Pfizer sold the vaccines or Moderna sold the vaccines.
• 34:41
  All those were sold to the military, then the military gave you the vaccine. Everything about COVID was rammed through the military in a very similar way to what we see with this geoengineering nonsense. Right? So that's why I was able to spot this because I recognized the pattern. Now how did we fight COVID?
• 35:00
  Because it was also a big odd, black money thing, this, and other. And, you know, we're still working for justice, but we've made it well, guess what? I'm not wearing a mask anymore. No one's forcing me to get an mRNA poison. So I mean, we're improving.
• 35:16
  We've done a good job on this. It's not perfect, but we've made a lot of progress on this. So what do we do? So is the state law going to override the feds? No, it can't.
• 35:28
  But here's the thing. The feds with COVID said, you know, this doesn't exist, that doesn't exist, oh, it's zoonotic, oh, it was this, it was that. You know, we it we had to expose what was happening with truth to get people to start understanding what's happening. So what you've got to understand is for 32 states to be considering a bill on something that our federal government is still trying to tell us doesn't exist is a huge, huge win. Because what we have happening is people are becoming awake to the issue.
• 35:59
  The more people look at this issue, the more pressure, the more political pressure there is. Now it starts with local pressure, but that builds to federal pressure, right? At some point, if we can get congress and some of our federal executive agencies looking at this, they can make a difference. Now Bobby Kennedy spoke out about this. He's looking into this.
• 36:21
  We're working with MAHA and with Kennedy and anybody else that we can to try and make sure that they're aware of what's going on and that they ask the right questions and look in the right places. So that's an important thing. Now that wouldn't be happening if so much support and pressure wasn't occurring on the state level. So there's that part of this. There's also the fact that from a purely legal perspective, a lot of this appears to be being done through public private partnerships.
• 36:50
  Okay, so let's look at that. I may not be able to sue the federal government for spraying, but if some NGO is, I might be able to sue them. Unless they've got some sort of government contract for immunity. But if I sue them and their defense is, hey, I've got a government contract for immunity, guess what? Suddenly the whole country is aware of the fact that this NGO is partnered with our federal government.
• 37:17
  Our federal government's lying through their teeth. So there's a little bit of 5D test going on here, right? And the idea that that these state laws don't make a difference is actually absolutely absurd. They they make a tremendous difference. They allow for litigation.
• 37:35
  They allow for discovery. They allow for certain things to be found out. And, yes, if we sue and someone says and we let's say, for instance, that we were to to file a lawsuit and we say, listen, we need subject matter discovery. We can see, we can prove to you that this chemical is being sprayed and that it's it's injuring people. Right?
• 37:56
  So I'm gonna sue, but I need what's called subject matter discovery. And it's a little known and a little used mechanism, but it's when someone's doing something injurious, but you can't say for sure who it is. Okay? So you run subject matter discovery. If it turns out that the government says, yeah, you can't sue us because it's us and it's classified, Well, I don't need anything else, do I?
• 38:22
  At that point, we have the smoking gun who's behind that. Then the political pressure shifts. Right? So there's a number of different things that are occurring here. The idea that and I got to tell you, I love and respect anybody who is speaking out or talking about geoengineering, but the idea that a state passing legislation is not going to help means you're ignorant of the law.
• 38:48
  You just you're not understanding what's going on. It will make a big difference. It will make a huge difference because we can use it as a basis for litigation depending on the legislation that's passed. We can use it for actions, a number of different actions. And you're right.
• 39:04
  A state law can't control the feds, but it can allow for us to show the problem, which will create a situation where we can remedy it. We can't fix this problem directly right now because the federal government won't admit that they're behind it. If we force them to admit that truth, then it becomes a political issue that we can fight very publicly because we already know people don't like it. They don't like seeing their skies sprayed with these chemicals. They don't like what's going on.
• 39:33
  We know that because 32 states are considering legislation. So again, it's kind of a circular thing, but you create the public support. This is Seth, you and I have talked about this. You know, I practice ethical warfare, and ethical warfare is the use of strategic litigation. We don't file crap lawsuits to run people's costs up.
• 39:55
  We only file ethical lawsuits designed to make a difference, you know, based on based on the law and the ethics. Strategic litigation
• 40:06
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• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Public legislation and regulation, we've got to reform those things. Some things are not suitable for a courtroom. Sometimes you have to pass laws, create political pressure. And how do you do that? By activating and engaging the public.
• 42:13
  The public is active and engaged and becoming more active engaged on this issue across the country. That's how you create changes. They didn't want to shut down the COVID machine. They had no choice because we activated the public on such a broad level that they were forced to. We're doing the same thing here.
• 42:31
  Know, lot of people say, Rebs, why aren't you suing them? Well, it's not time yet. I don't have that yet. I will. Trust me, I have no problem suing anybody, but part of what I have to do sometimes it can take years, and this is something I've learned over the last five years.
• 42:45
  You can sometimes spend years setting the stage to be able to get to that lawsuit, and it's brutal. And it's there's no it's thankless. It's hard. It's just a slog. But but GWF and and all their partner organizations, all these different things, we've done a great job.
• 43:03
  I'm very proud of this crew and what they've done. I I just I can't say enough good about these guys and and the way that they've fought it, they've been relentless in it. And I feel real good about the direction we're going. By the way, just to be clear, I'm hoping at some point that we, you know, we've got funding and can pay everybody. I haven't taken a penny from GWF at this point.
• 43:26
  I'm doing this because I believe in this. Yes. I would love to get paid at some point. I'm not gonna lie. But, you know, I'm supporting and working with these guys because it's the right thing to do, and I think it will make a difference.
• 43:42
  So, I mean, remember, it's my it's my analysis that what we're doing is gonna have an impact. Otherwise, I'd just be wasting my time because I'm not even getting paid to do it. I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do because it will have an impact. And, yes, if 10 of those states pass legislation and if any of that legislation is done in certain specific ways with certain specific things, it will make a world of difference. And this is how this is the beginning of the end of that.
• 44:12
  Right? Then we've gotta start somewhere to bring this conspiracy down. It it's right now, we're verging. Before you can attack a conspiracy, you have to go from showing it's a conspiracy theory to a conspiracy. We're on the verge of demonstrating that this is not a conspiracy theory.
• 44:31
  It's a conspiracy. Once we've done that, then we can start taking more definitive steps.
• 44:37
  Seth Holehouse: That's a really good point too, is that they they thrive in secrecy. They thrive in and we know that I think it was a CIA that even create the term conspiracy theory as a way to demonize people that are questioning the JFK murder, which now more than ever, we know that the agencies were heavily involved, if not the main drivers of that, is the assassination of a sitting president. And so I do I do I I really agree with you, as much as it feels like we don't have the power, you know, we're being run by these massive, you know, deep deep state organizations, corporatocracies, global organizations that have billions and trillions of dollars that they can throw at us. The thing is is that I really believe that at the end of the day, it's the power of the people collectively that determines the fate of a nation. And that's why they've divided us so much, especially politically because lots of lot of things do have to happen politically, they can create us always at a standstill, always playing tug of war over who's right and who's wrong.
• 45:43
  We'll never unite against them. But what's great about this is that if you look into a lot of people that are actually putting the you know, the the work on these resolutions at the legal level, a lot of them are are at the, sorry, political level. A lot of them are Democrats. It's Yeah. Great because, actually, you you know, historically, it's typically been the liberals that have been the people saying, hey, no more toxins in our food.
• 46:06
  You know, no more, you know, chopping down trees. They've been the environmentalist, and so I really hope that this becomes an issue that we can use to bridge party lines. Now one thing I wanna bring up is that this, this is a post from Matt Gaetz. This is from today says, WTF, why is the Florida legislature advancing a bill to give immunity to pesticide makers? Right?
• 46:31
  So this is, h b one two nine product liability actions under the Florida pesticide law saying that, that prohibits product liability action from being brought under Florida pesticide law unless certain conditions are met. So do you think that with especially within Florida, and Ron DeSantis coming out supporting the actions and efforts to get rid of geoengineering. Is this an indication to you that these the manufacturers of the pesticides being sprayed, that they're perhaps thinking, okay, the the the noose is starting to tighten, and they better get they better get, you know, get this out get out in front of it. And how do you how do you interpret this this recent bill?
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just found out about that bill this morning as well, and I haven't had a chance to look at it. But that bill is being ran in a bunch of states, and that's Bayer Bayer Pharmaceuticals is behind most of them. Right? Imagine that.
• 47:24
  They're funding them on a massive scale. And remember, Bayer owns Roundup. They own Monsanto. One of the things that very few people recognize is that big pharma and big ag have merged. Right?
• 47:37
  So what they do is Big Pharma and Big Ag, they're the same companies. Like Bayer produces a ton of the seeds for plants all over the world. AstraZeneca, you know, these big pharma companies produce vaccines for animals as well as people. It's all the same thing. So now let's think about this from a business perspective.
• 48:01
  If you're Bayer Pharmaceuticals and you know that glyphosate causes cancer, which they do. I mean, if you look at the if you look at the Monsanto case, and I've looked at the cases, in fact, I'm friends with the one of the leading expert who was in the case testified in the case. There's a ton of evidence that Roundup, Fonsanto knew that this stuff was poisonous and covered it up. That they ghost wrote studies, that they lied, they manipulated everything. So there's a ton of evidence.
• 48:33
  Now think about this. If you make medicine and you make food, and you can increase profit in your food manufacturing by increasing yield, but increasing yield is going to make the food less healthy and make you sick, Well, what's that do? Well, that just sells more of your big pharma products, right? So we've got a situation where the union of big pharma and big egg has created an actual monetary incentive for the big egg producers to make food less healthy. Glyphosate and some of these other things, these are disastrous.
• 49:15
  They're persistent in the soil. They're persistent in the food, and we're ingesting a ton of it, And it's it's deadly dangerous, and we all know that. So they're trying to get these immunity bills. Now one of the things that's really interesting that I'm curious about with these immunity bills, and I haven't had the chance to to look at it in the Florida bill, but I'm going to, is are they being written in a way where that immunity will extend to chemtrail spraying? Where that whatever they're spraying will actually because we do know that they do spray pests.
• 49:51
  So if they're spraying, you know, the mosquitoes and stuff that lady found or something like that, is that bill going to provide immunity to the manufacturers? Now there's already arguably immunity if the military is spraying it, but it creates another layer and another issue. If it's being done through a public private partnership, what happens then? And the other issue is, I mean, remember they're spraying this stuff. Let's think of crop dusters, right?
• 50:16
  You get crop dusters spraying. Well, that doesn't exactly stay in place. You're spraying in the air. It goes everywhere. So if you live near a field that's being crop dusted, well, guess what?
• 50:25
  You're probably getting sprayed. So, you know, these bills are really insidious and evil, and they're very similar to vaccine immunity bills. And I think the thing that people got to recognize is that the real motive behind these bills is big pharma, big ag, big chemical, they have a motive to make us sick because if they make us sick, they sell more product. It's a cycle. And what MAHA MAHA is really a complex thing at this point because you have to understand that to make America healthy again, we have to understand that we're being made unhealthy in so many different ways.
• 51:02
  They're spraying stuff on our food. They're modifying our food genetically. I just did the thing on my show. I was talking about seed oils. Everybody knows seed oils are bad.
• 51:11
  Do you know why seed oils are bad, Seth? It's not because it's not because if you eat the oil of a naturally grown seed, it's bad for you. It's because the seed is genetically modified. It's grown in soil sprayed with glyphosate and pesticides. It's harvested and taken to a chemical plant where it's hooked with all sorts of chemicals and all sorts of other things that modify it.
• 51:35
  And by the time you get that seed oil, it's full of so many poisons and other such things that it is very unhealthy. It's dangerous as hell, but it's not because if you had an heirloom soybean with an heirloom with grown in natural soil, that that soybean's necessarily gonna be poisonous to you. It's because we don't have an heirloom soybean. It's not grown in safe soil. And when it's done, it's processed in 500 ways with all sorts of chemicals that make you super ill.
• 52:05
  So when we start looking at Maha, same sort of thing here. You know, they wanna be able to spray things on us. They want immunity for spraying things on us. They want to spray things on our food. They want immunity for spraying things on our food.
• 52:17
  And this is all about protecting the business of making us sick, which then sells more pharmaceutical products, which also make you sick and they want immunity there. So, you know, I mean it's the same sort of idea and I want to I know this is a little bit askew from what you asked, but I want to throw it in because it's relevant. MRNA vaccines are not vaccines. They are the definition of a gene therapy. You're putting genetic material into your body for a therapeutic purpose.
• 52:50
  They didn't test to see whether the mRNA vaccines would block transmission. They didn't test to see whether it would, you know, permanently block symptomatic illness or death. All they did was they said it was going to reduce the symptoms and duration of the illness. Well, that's a therapy. It's a therapeutic.
• 53:14
  It's not a vaccine. There's nothing about that. So why did they do it? Because they want the immunity. That's the same thing we're seeing with the pesticide immunity and all these other things.
• 53:24
  They are trying to get legal immunity to make us sick so that they can sell more of their product.
• 53:32
  Seth Holehouse: It's just insane. It's interesting. Again, the timing of this, it makes me think that they better get out in front of this because what we're doing is having an effect. And Yep. Again, you know, these 32 states that want clear skies, it's really helpful to hear your perspective on this because I do see some people saying, look, doesn't matter.
• 53:55
  You know, this is just a it it's it's a red herring. It's a psyop to make us think that we're doing something, but it's actually this. But, you you you do make a good point. I think the the key is actually doing what we're doing right now is we're educating the public. What we're doing is we're creating this interview that everyone who's watching and listening, they they take this, and they send it to their friends and family.
• 54:17
  It's like, oh, look. Doesn't matter whether you're Republican, Democrat, Libertarian. This is an interview that you can send to anybody, and they can watch it and say, oh, yeah. You know what? I I don't want that.
• 54:30
  I you know, my brother, you know, for people that know that they maybe they don't, but my brother passed away at age 33. He had a non Hodgkin's lymphoma. He had a huge tumor that grew. We grew up in a little city in Ohio called Plain City. We were surrounded by farm fields.
• 54:47
  So I spent my youth out playing in the farm fields, playing in the mud and everything, you know, playing in the corn, you know, whatever. But these were big monocrop agricultural farms that I guarantee actually, know, you know, they were being sprayed with all kinds of stuff. So it makes me wonder is even my own brother, I think there's a very good chance that he, you know, got cancer in his early thirties because he had probably an excessive amount of chemicals of bare Monsanto chemicals that were sprayed and he, you know, breathed them in there. I mean, our garden growing up was 10 feet from the field behind us. And so even the stuff that we're growing in our own garden, we weren't dumping chemicals on there.
• 55:29
  Well, who who cares? Because our whole, like, our whole yard was probably full of chemical pesticides and everything they're spraying on. So, again, it's really important what you're doing. It's important what this movement is doing because we have to educate the public. We have to get it so that enough people say, I've had it.
• 55:48
  I will not comply. So that the politicians that are, say they're gonna be opposing these these legislation being pushed through these at the state level. They're getting phone calls, and they're thinking, gosh. I better not I better if if I don't sign off on this bill, I'm gonna have 5,000 angry constituents showing up my door the next day. Like, that's that's how we can affect change in this country.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely. And remember, these bills do provide legal protection on a number of things. Right? So they do prevent state involvement.
• 56:20
  And if you think a state like California wouldn't be involved, I got news for you. Newsome's probably all over this stuff. Right? So they do prevent state involvement, and they also may, and depending on how they're written, give for private causes of action or enforcement mechanisms to take place that could illustrate what's going on. Right?
• 56:39
  At the end of the day, everything that we do that gets us to truth is critical. Everything that we do that shines the light of truth on what these corrupt monsters is doing is critical. And the evil thrives in darkness. And when we can show what they're doing, when we can demonstrate what's occurring, that is the most foundational thing, I mean, that we can do to perpetuate change. You know, a lot of people will say to me, Renz, I'm not a lawyer.
• 57:05
  What can I do? Well, this is why we do these things. Right? Because these things show that you can do things. You don't have to be a lawyer to call your politician and say support this bill.
• 57:16
  You don't have to be a lawyer to get people out there and to rally them and say, hey, we need to go support this bill. You don't have to be, you know I mean, yeah. We don't have enough lawyers that'll take this sort of stuff to court. And, yeah, we don't have funding for those lawyers, and we don't have this, and we don't have that. There's all sorts but you don't have to do it just through the law.
• 57:34
  Remember the government exists as a manifestation of the will of We the People. We the People are the reason. You know what? Those five thirty five scumbags in Washington, they don't have a job if three twenty million Americans say we're done with you. We the people This is the ultimate trick of tyranny.
• 57:55
  The ultimate trick of the tyranny. Let's take Kim Jong Un. No better example. One hot bellied little dictator. Five foot nothing, a little flea, he terrorizes millions of people in North Korea in a way that very people can imagine.
• 58:16
  But what if those millions of people collectively just said, no, we're not doing this? What's that one guy gonna do about it? A damn thing. The problem is is the first goal of tyranny is to convince the masses that the tyrant has more power than they do, and that's never true. So when we shine the light of truth on anything, it obliterates tyranny.
• 58:42
  It obliterates us. When we show that the power belongs to nobody, the most important Seth, you and I have talked about this. The most important thing that I was in the COVID fight and that I remain today is a nobody from Ohio because you don't have to be a Bill Gates to make a difference. You don't have to be a big shot. Pyranny's a lie.
• 59:04
  It's a lie that we either choose to accept or don't. We don't have to accept chemtrails. We don't have to accept poison food. We don't have to accept the things that we're fighting. We just have to come together with a unified voice and say no.
• 59:17
  That's how we fight this.
• 59:20
  Seth Holehouse: Tom, I couldn't agree more. And that's why it's important. Anyone that's watching this, share this interview. Share Tom's work, the things I'm doing on this. I'll I'll bring up your website as we're wrapping up here.
• 59:31
  TomRenz.com. I do I I know a lot of the the back end of what you're working on. You know, I talk, you know, pretty regularly. I encourage people if they want to, obviously, to come your your website, check out your podcast. Great podcast, the Tom Rinz Podcast.
• 59:46
  Also, to support Tom. Right? You do a lot of pro bono work. Almost everything you're doing these days, I think, is pro bono because you're using your your legal skills to fight, which is really important. So I encourage people to to support you @tomrinz.com.
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• 1:00:16
  Tom, thank you again for giving me your time. Thank you for what you're doing. And I I do have hope. I know there's a lot of evil. There's a lot of bad things happen happening still.
• 1:00:26
  But what I'm seeing what gives me hope the most is I'm seeing a collective shift in We The People. And and in my opinion, that's the only thing that will save our nation is if enough Americans can stand together and say, we've had enough of this, and we're not gonna stand for it anymore.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Right left middle, it makes no difference. If they're spraying poison on your kids in the sky, your kids are gonna get sick. It doesn't matter whether you're a Democrat or a Republican. If you can't eat healthy food, it doesn't matter whether you're a Democrat or Republican. It doesn't matter who you are.
• 1:00:57
  What this really is, is We the People versus the Special Interests. Praying that we stand together. I hope everybody's supporting you as well, Seth. I hope everybody's sharing, not this show, not just because of my interview, but also because of Seth's work, which is critical. I'm glad to call you a friend, and I appreciate you giving me the time.
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