Latest / Elevate Podcast: Powered by Braden / Elevate Ep 30: Leading the Girl Scouts of Central Indiana with Deana Potterf, CEO
Transcript
- 0:10Welcome to the Elevate podcast powered
- 0:13by Braden. This is your front row seat
- 0:15to the stories of local leaders, both
- 0:18nonprofit and for-profit who are shaping
- 0:20our community. Every episode brings you
- 0:23leadership insights, lessons from
- 0:26challenges, and practical strategies you
- 0:28can use today. And yes, we'll keep it
- 0:30real and have some fun along the way. If
- 0:33you're ready to elevate your leadership,
- 0:34hit subscribe and follow us on LinkedIn
- 0:37for updates and behind the scenes
- 0:39content. Now, let's dive in. Hey
- 0:42everybody, Jason here with another
- 0:44episode of the Elevate powered by Braden
- 0:46podcast. And I'll tell you, these shows
- 0:48are awesome. We get a chance to talk to
- 0:50nonprofits and for-profits. And today we
- 0:52have a great nonprofit leader from a
- 0:55place that's near and dear to my heart.
- 0:57You may not know it to look at me, but I
- 0:59happen to have been a Girl Scout and I
- 1:01enjoy everything that the Girl Scouts do
- 1:03here in town and across the United
- 1:05States for young ladies helping them,
- 1:07especially around STEM lure technology
- 1:09company. I'm a technology guy. But Dino,
- 1:12welcome to the show.
- 1:13>> Thank you. Thanks for having me.
- 1:14>> And your current role at the Girl Scouts
- 1:15is
- 1:16>> CEO.
- 1:17>> Super awesome, by the way. And remind
- 1:19everybody, when did you start that role?
- 1:20>> Uh, you know, I began as interim CEO
- 1:22back in June and then went through a
- 1:25pretty lengthy hiring process. It was a
- 1:27national search. Um had 100 or excuse me
- 1:30250 applications.
- 1:31>> No kidding.
- 1:32>> Yeah. For that search. Uh took about oh
- 1:35four months or so. Um quite the process.
- 1:38But here I am.
- 1:39>> Here you are.
- 1:39>> Permanent CEO.
- 1:40>> That's awesome. We know that's where you
- 1:42are today, but that's not where you
- 1:44started. So let's go back to the
- 1:46beginning. Where you from originally?
- 1:47>> Sure. You know, I grew up in Loganport,
- 1:49Indiana, about an hour and a half north
- 1:51of here up 421. Sure. Uh, mom was a a
- 1:55grade school music teacher.
- 1:56>> Okay.
- 1:56>> Uh, dad worked in a factory. Exide other
- 1:59than batteries.
- 2:00>> Gotcha. All right. So, Loganport, what
- 2:02were you doing in the days back when you
- 2:04were in high school? What did it look
- 2:05like for you?
- 2:05>> Sure. You know what? I grew up uh in the
- 2:0780s uh in high in grade school and high
- 2:11school and had so much fun. Uh I was a
- 2:14Girl Scout when I was a girl in grade
- 2:15school. Yep. Had great memories making
- 2:18friends and uh going camping. We did a
- 2:21little urban camping at a program center
- 2:22there in the middle of Loganport.
- 2:24>> Interesting.
- 2:24>> Right. Okay. And so that was fun. I
- 2:27still remember um going camping uh in a
- 2:29platform tent. I don't know if you know
- 2:31what those look like. U big canvas
- 2:33structures built on wooden platforms.
- 2:35Get you off the ground a little bit.
- 2:36>> Okay.
- 2:37>> Still very rustic these days.
- 2:38>> Yeah. Very very rustic. Okay. So doing
- 2:40some camping. That's right. Girl Scouts.
- 2:42Yeah.
- 2:42>> As you're finishing up high school, what
- 2:44are you thinking about? What's what's
- 2:47college? What's going to come next for
- 2:48you?
- 2:48>> Sure. You know what? Um, I really found
- 2:51psychology very interesting and really
- 2:54wanted to help people and I think that
- 2:55helped people. You'll see that thread
- 2:56throughout my career. Um, but then I
- 2:59learned as a a freshman in uh college
- 3:02attended Purdue University.
- 3:03>> Okay.
- 3:04>> Go boilers.
- 3:04>> A boiler up. That's right. That um I was
- 3:07going to need a lot of schooling to get
- 3:08to the
- 3:10>> where I really wanted to be as a
- 3:11psychologist uh psychiatrist actually.
- 3:14And so that wasn't for me. Back when I
- 3:16was 18 19 years old had to pass.
- 3:18>> Okay. Uh, and so, uh, went to Craner
- 3:21School of Management. Um, loved the
- 3:24marketing classes there. Uh, my best
- 3:25friend was there. And so, I thought,
- 3:27"Oh, I'll give this a shot." Right. Uh,
- 3:29but I got weeded out by the second class
- 3:32of accounting. Uh,
- 3:33>> Oh, no kidding.
- 3:34>> I sure did. I sure did. And so, I would
- 3:36have e either needed to retake that
- 3:38class or find something else. Uh, and as
- 3:40I said, I love my marketing classes and
- 3:42it's so interesting.
- 3:43>> So, I found my way to the school of
- 3:44communications.
- 3:45>> Okay. Okay. Concentration in advertising
- 3:47there at Purdue and I graduated. I'm
- 3:50class of 94.
- 3:51>> Class of 94 from Purdue. Trying to
- 3:53think. Okay. So, who would what was the
- 3:55what was going on in the sports back
- 3:56then? Have any idea was basketball
- 3:59stuff?
- 3:59>> So, I was in school about the same time.
- 4:01Matt Painter.
- 4:02>> Okay. Painter.
- 4:03>> That's right.
- 4:04>> That's right. Okay. Gotcha. I was trying
- 4:06to put together, you know, who might
- 4:07have been back then and Coach Katy.
- 4:09>> Sure. Oh, Coach Katy for sure. Yeah.
- 4:11Yeah.
- 4:11>> And then I tell you what, shortly after
- 4:13graduated, Drew Ree came on the scene.
- 4:15Oh, that's right. Full.
- 4:16>> That's right. Yep. And so, uh, really
- 4:19enjoyable experience there, Purdue.
- 4:20>> Yeah. So, all right. So, you finish up
- 4:22your time at Purdue and you get a
- 4:24communications degree, right?
- 4:26>> What what's what's going to come next?
- 4:27Where are you going to for a job?
- 4:28>> Sure. You know, I thought my career be
- 4:30in radio. I love broadcast.
- 4:32>> No kidding.
- 4:33>> Loved writing. Loved advertising,
- 4:34writing.
- 4:35>> Okay.
- 4:35>> So, I found myself a ma an internship
- 4:37there and that was a lot of fun. I drove
- 4:40the uh remote van around. You know, back
- 4:42in the days you around, set up a speaker
- 4:44and a microphone and you do remotes out
- 4:47at different like car dealerships and
- 4:48stuff like that.
- 4:49>> No kidding. So, what which which uh
- 4:50station was this for?
- 4:51>> Wazy,
- 4:52>> which in what city is?
- 4:53>> Lafayette.
- 4:54>> It's in Lafayette.
- 4:54>> Still in Lafayette. Flagship station for
- 4:56the Purdue Boiler Makers of basketball
- 4:58and football. And I drove away, gave
- 5:00away free t-shirts, free CDs. Right.
- 5:02That's the way they paid me. T-shirts
- 5:04and and CDs, some concert tickets on
- 5:06occasion. I had a terrific summer just
- 5:08learning about uh radio business.
- 5:09>> No kidding. So you do that for a summer
- 5:11and you're still there kind of in your
- 5:13second home which is West Lafayette
- 5:15right where Purdue is and you're doing
- 5:17that.
- 5:18>> What part of the job are you thinking
- 5:20this is great and maybe you're going to
- 5:22navigate to something next. What what
- 5:23are you doing that you really like?
- 5:24>> Sure. I love the production side of the
- 5:27business and so things that were in
- 5:28studio. U back in the day we had carts
- 5:31you for you know carting up commercials
- 5:33that thing and so I did that. Um, I did
- 5:36a lot of intros and outros, you know,
- 5:38back when EJ used to talk over the
- 5:40music, right? It was coming in or going
- 5:41out, that kind of thing.
- 5:42>> Okay.
- 5:42>> And so that was a lot of fun. But then
- 5:44someone said to me, you know, Dina,
- 5:45you're not going to make any money on
- 5:47this side of the building on the
- 5:48production side. You really need to get
- 5:49into sales
- 5:50>> uh to make money.
- 5:52>> Interesting. Okay.
- 5:53>> Yeah. And so uh graduated from Purdue
- 5:56and that summer and then decided I would
- 5:58try the sales side of the WAZ radio
- 6:01station and uh boy Jason, I did not
- 6:03enjoy that at all. It's it's
- 6:05interesting. So, somebody kind of
- 6:06coached you to say, "You're never going
- 6:08to make any money doing this, although
- 6:10you liked what you were doing, right?
- 6:11You enjoyed it."
- 6:12>> Yes.
- 6:12>> But then you're not going to make any
- 6:14money. So, you get into sales. What What
- 6:16does sales look like, you know, in that
- 6:18in that area? What do you Who you
- 6:20selling to?
- 6:20>> Sure. So, you know, back in the day,
- 6:22there were the yellow pages.
- 6:24>> And literally, that was my that was my
- 6:26list, right, of possible opportunities
- 6:28to sell to sell radio advertising. Um
- 6:31the other the other folks that were
- 6:32there at the station had you know well
- 6:34they had lists right list of clients.
- 6:37>> Yeah. People they could call on people
- 6:38they built over time. Yeah. For me it
- 6:40was all cold calls.
- 6:41>> So you're picking up the phone. Do you
- 6:43want to get on the radio? That kind of
- 6:45stuff. Stop putting in the yellow pages.
- 6:46Work with us.
- 6:47>> Right. Exactly. Yeah. So you'd stop by
- 6:49and you'd visit people. Uh and I was
- 6:51literally selling air. Yeah.
- 6:52>> Right. Air.
- 6:53>> Yeah.
- 6:54>> And so um I did not enjoy that very
- 6:56much. I think it was the cold calls. M
- 6:58>> uh I'm a real introvert, you know, and
- 7:00so for me, it takes a little bit of time
- 7:02to warm up, to build a relationship.
- 7:04>> And so that one just wasn't really a
- 7:05good fit for me.
- 7:06>> Sure.
- 7:06>> But here's what I learned. Relationships
- 7:08are everything.
- 7:10>> Oh, okay. All right. So, tell me, how
- 7:11did how did this kind of come? You
- 7:13didn't like what you were doing.
- 7:14>> Yes.
- 7:15>> A little bit introverted, but
- 7:16relationships are everything. Tell me
- 7:18how you came to that realization.
- 7:19>> Yeah. So, I made uh friends within the
- 7:22radio station, as you can imagine,
- 7:23colleagues, right? and I was pretty
- 7:24young and they're a little bit a little
- 7:26bit more mature and so they'd kind of
- 7:27take me under their wing and so I found
- 7:29this job I was interested in in
- 7:31marketing with Purdue Federal Credit
- 7:33Union
- 7:34>> and uh one of them had them um on their
- 7:37list of clients. They were a really good
- 7:38client for them and so as I moved along
- 7:40in the interview process that came a
- 7:42point that that uh that mentor or
- 7:44colleague of mine picked up the phone
- 7:46and said, "Hey, you know Dean is down to
- 7:47the final interviews and I think that
- 7:49you should hire her."
- 7:50>> Oh, no kidding.
- 7:51>> Yes. Yes. And that made a difference. I
- 7:53found out later from the supervisor
- 7:55>> tip the scale sure did that
- 7:56relationship. What what a great lesson
- 7:59to learn when you're in your young 20s
- 8:01going to your second role. Okay. So now
- 8:04you're going to the credit union.
- 8:05>> Yeah. And what what's the role look like
- 8:06at the credit?
- 8:07>> Yeah. So I was a marketing associate
- 8:09there. Okay.
- 8:10>> And what that meant was I wore a lot of
- 8:11hats in the marketing department. I got
- 8:13a lot of great experience. They really
- 8:15hired me as their uh database marketing
- 8:17person. Back in the day, they called
- 8:18that the marketing uh customer
- 8:20information files, MCIF, right? Huge
- 8:23database. We would dump all of the
- 8:25accounts that people held at the credit
- 8:27union. And then I would parse through
- 8:29them and I'd find opportunities for
- 8:30cross sales, whether it was second uh
- 8:33home equity loans, second loans on their
- 8:34mortgage or um auto loans if they're
- 8:37getting ready, their car's getting
- 8:38ready, they'd be paid off, right? They
- 8:39hit them up with a hey, it's time to get
- 8:41a new car. That kind of thing. Yeah.
- 8:43>> That's a really interesting uh cross
- 8:45sales from from marketing. And then I
- 8:47help them with things that kind of date
- 8:49me a little bit. Like I help them with
- 8:50their first website. Okay. Put that up
- 8:52for them. Uh we actually linked to the
- 8:54Bob and Tom show at that. Right. Isn't
- 8:57that to think about that now?
- 8:59>> I was like here are the local leagues
- 9:00places you might also be interested in.
- 9:02>> Yeah. Uh
- 9:03>> so for a business career credit you need
- 9:04to do that. I just you know the things
- 9:06we've learned along.
- 9:07>> Well that's awesome. That is so cool.
- 9:09But what what a cool experience. And it
- 9:11sounds like it kind of matches the
- 9:13things that you liked. Yeah. Right. He
- 9:15liked some of the analytic stuff.
- 9:17Somebody's finishing up a loan. Maybe
- 9:18I'll hit them with something new,
- 9:20whatever the case is to go build that.
- 9:21But you weren't necessarily the one out
- 9:24in front trying to build the
- 9:26relationship. These were existing
- 9:27relationships. Right. Okay.
- 9:29>> Exactly. It was data. It was analysis
- 9:30was writing, you know, writing those
- 9:32pitches, those letters out to to people.
- 9:34And so that was really interesting to
- 9:35me.
- 9:35>> So this is right up your alley.
- 9:36>> Absolutely.
- 9:37>> Gotcha. All right. So So at this point,
- 9:39Loganport to West Lafayette. Are you
- 9:42thinking West Lafayette's going to be
- 9:43home? because eventually you end up down
- 9:45here at Indie.
- 9:46>> Yeah, true.
- 9:46>> Right. So, how do you end up coming down
- 9:48this way?
- 9:48>> Yeah, I did think Lafayette was going to
- 9:50be my home. Um eventually I met my wife
- 9:53in college. Um and so we were ready to
- 9:55settle down, you know.
- 9:56>> No kidding.
- 9:57>> And um so I went through the whole uh
- 10:00WAZY PEQ and then about four years into
- 10:04PEPQ, I really wanted to uh broaden my
- 10:06experience, wanted to get some
- 10:08supervisor experience, and there just
- 10:09wasn't a place to be able to move at
- 10:11that point.
- 10:11>> Okay. And so I started looking and
- 10:13actually answered um back in the day
- 10:15when they used to put ads in the
- 10:17newspaper for jobs. It's a blind ad. So
- 10:19I didn't know who it was that I was
- 10:21applying for.
- 10:22>> Oh, really?
- 10:23>> Turns out to be the Girl Scouts.
- 10:24>> So wait, sorry. So I want to make sure
- 10:26because there could be some younger
- 10:27individuals listening to this show. A
- 10:30newspaper is one of those things. It's a
- 10:31piece of paper has a bunch of ink on it,
- 10:33leaves your hands dirty, but used to
- 10:35have information and they bring it to
- 10:36your house. It's amazing. Delivered to
- 10:38your house sometimes daily. And those
- 10:41ads were in there. So you saw an ad
- 10:44>> with a job that had a description of
- 10:47what your job was, but no name,
- 10:49>> no employee. So they so they put a blind
- 10:51ad out there. I guess I didn't I don't
- 10:53remember blind. Okay. So you replied to
- 10:56this.
- 10:56>> Yep. It was director of marketing and
- 10:58development. So fun development
- 11:00>> and um yeah, applied to it uh interview.
- 11:03They loved my um that you know marketing
- 11:06customer information file stuff, the
- 11:08database and the direct mail. They loved
- 11:09that. They loved the direct mail side of
- 11:11that from the funds development uh part
- 11:13of the equation, right? Sure. And
- 11:15marketing obviously I had that
- 11:16experience and so uh they hired me and
- 11:19you know the kind of funny thing about
- 11:20that is um I was supposed to start in
- 11:23the middle of January and again I'm an
- 11:26introvert and so I really wanted just a
- 11:28chance to get in and get settled in
- 11:29before I release it with a lot of new
- 11:31people.
- 11:32>> And so I talked them into letting me
- 11:34start on a holiday on Martin Luther King
- 11:36Jr. Day. Um they gave me a key before I
- 11:38even started to the building, right?
- 11:40Because it was a holiday. They were
- 11:41closed.
- 11:41>> Otherwise, they're closed, right?
- 11:42>> Yes. And so gave me a key and I went in
- 11:44uh to get settled into my new office. Um
- 11:47and then a couple people they kind of
- 11:48poke their head in, right? They came in
- 11:50just to kind of see probably the new
- 11:51kid.
- 11:51>> Yeah. Right.
- 11:52>> Who was starting with them and um then
- 11:55took it from there.
- 11:56>> No kidding. Right. So So your first day
- 11:58is on a holiday. Yeah.
- 11:59>> Get your office set up, get everything
- 12:01ready to go without having to have so
- 12:03many interactions.
- 12:04>> Yes. So that first role you're the
- 12:06you're a director. So is this the first
- 12:08time you're managing people? Do you have
- 12:09a team at that point?
- 12:10>> Yeah, that's a great question. Um I did
- 12:12not have a team yet. Okay.
- 12:14>> And so um started it was a a director of
- 12:16one, right? It was myself. Y
- 12:18>> uh it was a small team of about 10 to 15
- 12:20people on the staff.
- 12:22>> At that point it was Girl Scout to
- 12:23Sycamore Council based out of Lafayette.
- 12:25Okay.
- 12:26>> Served nine counties um surrounding
- 12:28counties and then about 4,000 Girl
- 12:30Scouts at that point. About a thousand
- 12:32volunteers.
- 12:32>> Okay. Yeah.
- 12:33>> Holy cow. nine counties. How many Girl
- 12:36Scouts?
- 12:36>> About 4,000 Girl Scouts.
- 12:37>> 4,000 Girl Scouts in nine counties.
- 12:39Okay. Gotcha. All right. So, how long
- 12:41are you in that role? And then how does
- 12:42it evolve to where you get now to the
- 12:45new down here in Indianapolis?
- 12:46>> Sure. So, you know, the first year or so
- 12:50was kind of tumultuous for me because I
- 12:51had uh three different CEOs at that
- 12:54point. The CEO who hired me was fired by
- 12:56the board of directors about two weeks
- 12:58into my job. Um, I was met one day at
- 13:01the reception desk, myself and the rest
- 13:02of the staff by the board chair who
- 13:04said, "We let your CEO go last night."
- 13:07And she introduced the acting CEO at the
- 13:09time. Her name was Betty Ruth. She's
- 13:11about 70 years old, very committed,
- 13:13dedicated to Girl Scouts. And so worked
- 13:15with Betty for a little while and then
- 13:17Girl Scouts USA has a program where they
- 13:18send in interim CEOs, okay, across the
- 13:21country. They people that just like to
- 13:22do that. And I think it's kind of cool
- 13:24myself.
- 13:24>> Yeah, it's right. And so they just
- 13:26travel the country and they help Girl
- 13:27Scout councils who have a vacancy in
- 13:29their CEO spot.
- 13:30>> Okay.
- 13:31>> And so we received one of those people.
- 13:33Her name was Marian Duchain. She was
- 13:34terrific. Um I learned a lot from
- 13:36Marian. And then finally they hired the
- 13:39person who became just a dear friend and
- 13:41mentor for me named Karen Wolfford.
- 13:42Okay.
- 13:43>> Who had been a CEO in Richmond, Indiana.
- 13:45>> Yeah.
- 13:45>> So she moved to Lafayette, became the
- 13:47CEO there in 2000. So I started in 1999.
- 13:502000 Kieran started. And um I I owe
- 13:54everything in my girl's Got Career to
- 13:55Karen.
- 13:56>> No kidding.
- 13:57>> Yeah, for sure. Because here's the
- 13:58thing. Um she said, so I was director of
- 14:00marketing and fundraising, fund
- 14:02development time. And she said, you
- 14:04know, Dina, um I'd like to see see you
- 14:06stick around for a while. And um to do
- 14:08that, you need more experience in the
- 14:10other side of the business, the
- 14:11operation side, the mission side, okay,
- 14:13>> of the business. And so um she she must
- 14:16have seen something in me. And so I
- 14:18retained the marketing side. She found a
- 14:20parttime person for the fundraising side
- 14:22and then she asked me to oversee um a
- 14:25team of four people in the membership
- 14:26team, team of four for the program team
- 14:29and then um the site manager, the person
- 14:30who lived on site at Sycamore Valley,
- 14:32Camp Sycamore Valley and I Jason and I
- 14:34had no experience in any of that stuff,
- 14:36right? Like I had just been for a couple
- 14:37of years kind of sitting on the
- 14:38sidelines watching all of this happen.
- 14:40>> Sure.
- 14:40>> Um but my goodness for her to to place
- 14:43that kind of trust in me and she said
- 14:45right she said you know I'll be
- 14:46alongside you our offices were right
- 14:48next to each other. you have any
- 14:49questions, right? But just go and see
- 14:51what you can do.
- 14:52>> What a great way to learn. It really
- 14:54was. So,
- 14:54>> by the way, a couple things I want to
- 14:55pull out of there. I I think it's
- 14:56interesting that the Girl Scouts has
- 14:59traveling kind of CEOs that they can
- 15:01place. Always be prepared. Are you
- 15:04kidding me? Who thinks of that kind of
- 15:05stuff, right? That there's enough people
- 15:07that are committed to the cause that
- 15:09understand what's going on. They bring a
- 15:11lot of knowledge. They can fill a void
- 15:13or a gap for a period of time, right?
- 15:15Transition.
- 15:17>> That is so cool. I didn't know that by
- 15:18the way. But then also when from a
- 15:21leadership perspective for the for your
- 15:24new leader to come in and see that give
- 15:26you that trust a as a as a young
- 15:30individual. How how are you feeling
- 15:32about that? Right? Because now you're
- 15:34now managing people for the first time.
- 15:36>> You've got someone there to help you.
- 15:38But I'm curious because
- 15:40there's an opportunity to do that in all
- 15:42of our careers to be able to help others
- 15:44that are coming along in their path. And
- 15:46I'm curious, how did you react to it?
- 15:48How did how did you do? Did you really
- 15:49like it? Did she lean in to help? That
- 15:52she let you kind of fail a little. What
- 15:53was that experience like?
- 15:54>> Yeah. Yeah. Such a great question. Uh,
- 15:57well, first I was flattered. I was very
- 15:59flattered that she saw something in me
- 16:00and that she wanted to provide that
- 16:02opportunity for me. So, I didn't want to
- 16:03let her down.
- 16:04>> Sure.
- 16:04>> You know, and so I operated a lot from
- 16:06there. I love to learn new things. Just
- 16:09love it. And so, always open to a new
- 16:11opportunity.
- 16:12>> And so, I approached it really from that
- 16:13way. Uh I was supervising the director
- 16:16of membership, director of program and
- 16:17then the site manager who I mentioned um
- 16:20all older than me, right? Like at that
- 16:22point I was maybe 30 years old me.
- 16:25>> And so um I was open to learning from
- 16:27them. You know, I don't know how they
- 16:29felt about it. They may have felt a
- 16:30certain way. Uh but I really wanted to
- 16:32learn from them. Sure.
- 16:33>> And so I was again purchased it from a
- 16:35very humble space um that I was there to
- 16:38help them and to do my best to be able
- 16:39to help support the services that we're
- 16:41providing to Girl Scouts and their
- 16:42families. Gotcha. It It's great. First,
- 16:45one of them said was you were honored
- 16:47and humbled in those types of things,
- 16:49but then also the ability to learn from
- 16:51others. There's something about that
- 16:53when you're in a room with people,
- 16:55there's an opportunity to learn, gain
- 16:56perspective, right? All those types of
- 16:58things and just listen to what they have
- 17:00to say and take in their knowledge.
- 17:01Great advice. And that's awesome that
- 17:03she did that for you. So, how does the
- 17:06transition happen from because at this
- 17:08point you're still up in in Lafayette,
- 17:10right? How does the transition happen to
- 17:13come down south and come into Indie?
- 17:15>> Yeah, so back in about 2006,
- 17:18excuse me, about 2006, Girl Scouts USA
- 17:22um had about 315 Girl Scout councils
- 17:24across the country.
- 17:25>> So a Girl Scout Council is its own 501c3
- 17:28with its own local board of directors.
- 17:30They're in charge of fundraising to help
- 17:32support their uh mission delivery, so
- 17:34membership, um all that type of thing.
- 17:36And so they're all all their own
- 17:38franchises such that they're chartered
- 17:39organizations. And so in 2006, Girl
- 17:42Scouts USA said, "We would like to have
- 17:45fewer Girl Scout councils. 315 is just a
- 17:48lot for us to be able to support. And so
- 17:50we'd like to see you get down to about a
- 17:52100 Girl Scout councils." Cut it in and
- 17:54about twothirds, right?
- 17:55>> Oh, no kidding.
- 17:56>> Yeah. So huge consolidation. And so, um,
- 17:59Girl Scouts of, uh, Sycamore Council
- 18:02joined with about five other Girl Scout
- 18:03councils to form Girl Scouts of Central
- 18:05Indiana.
- 18:06>> Gotcha.
- 18:06>> That was such a fascinating process to
- 18:08be on the sidelines for Jason. You know,
- 18:10I was really close to the CEO at the
- 18:12time, my mentor. And so, she shared with
- 18:14me as much as she could. Of course, it
- 18:16was confidential, but as much of that
- 18:18process she could share with me, she
- 18:19allowed me to kind of witness it and be
- 18:21part of it. And so, such a cool
- 18:23opportunity, um, to be on the sidelines
- 18:25there. And so, uh, by 2007, January 1st,
- 18:292007, those Girl Scout councils merged
- 18:31to become Girl Scouts of Central
- 18:32Indiana.
- 18:33>> Okay?
- 18:33>> Now, we were the first in the country.
- 18:35And here's why that was important. Um,
- 18:37in 2008, we were set to host the Girl
- 18:40Scouts National Convention in
- 18:41Indianapolis.
- 18:42>> Okay.
- 18:43>> So, it was important to the CEO who who
- 18:45became CEO of Girl Scout of Central
- 18:46Indiana. She said, "We're either going
- 18:47to be first and get this done before we
- 18:50host national convention or we're going
- 18:51to be last." Right.
- 18:52>> Right. And so I I have the mindset like
- 18:54she did of like let's just get this
- 18:56done, right? Let's let's get it done. We
- 18:58don't really want to wait around. Um and
- 19:00so got it done to start operating
- 19:02January 1st, 2007. And my wife and I
- 19:05were in a situation in our family of
- 19:07either because she had been uh commuting
- 19:09for three years from Lafayette to south
- 19:11of the airport for her job.
- 19:12>> Okay. And so my job was moving to
- 19:14Indianapolis as well. So either we
- 19:16needed to move to Indianapolis, both
- 19:19work out of Indianapolis, or just kind
- 19:21of fish or cut bait, right? or we find
- 19:23jobs in Lafayette and we stay in
- 19:24Lafayette.
- 19:25>> Yep.
- 19:25>> So, love the opportunity and move to
- 19:27Indianapolis. Gotcha.
- 19:29>> And moved because of the jobs.
- 19:31>> Yeah. So, 2007, you guys are both down
- 19:33here now.
- 19:34>> Yeah.
- 19:34>> And and this is the the first of 315
- 19:38councils to get down to about a hundred.
- 19:40Yeah.
- 19:40>> And so at that point in 2007, you guys
- 19:42must be the biggest council in the
- 19:44United States, right? Because if you put
- 19:46everybody together, is that true?
- 19:47>> Yeah, we were. Yes, we were one of the
- 19:49biggest. You know, the mergers happened
- 19:50pretty quickly. Exo, um, probably not
- 19:53for very long, right? Yeah. Right.
- 19:55>> Uh, but yeah, it was definitely a cool
- 19:58opportunity for me because Girl Scouts
- 19:59of the USA was really using that as a
- 20:01learning opportunity. They watched us.
- 20:03They wanted to hear about our merger
- 20:04process so we could help other councils.
- 20:06So, I think it was a two or three year
- 20:07process for the other Girl Scout
- 20:09councils to get merged.
- 20:10>> Okay.
- 20:10>> And so, I actually uh created that
- 20:13communications plan for Girl Scout to
- 20:14Central Indiana for the merger process
- 20:16both uh pre and post, right? During Post
- 20:19and then Girl Scout USA actually invited
- 20:22me in um to a conference that they held
- 20:24for councils to learn more about the
- 20:26merger process and so I shared that
- 20:28communications plan with those councils
- 20:30um to help them with their own
- 20:31realignment merger efforts too.
- 20:33>> So what a what a cool experience you get
- 20:35a chance to do it firsthand for you know
- 20:37the council here but then a chance to
- 20:39consult for everybody else around the
- 20:41United States. That's super cool.
- 20:42>> Yeah, it was awesome. Great opportunity.
- 20:44So does so with that new with the new
- 20:46merger one, how large does that make
- 20:49Girl Scouts of Central Yeah. How many
- 20:51counties does that cover?
- 20:52>> So Girl Scouts of Central Indiana serves
- 20:5445 counties.
- 20:55>> Holy cow.
- 20:56>> Yeah. We go about as far So it's not
- 20:57really central Indiana. That's that's
- 20:59where the heart is, but Right. Yeah. Uh
- 21:01we go as far north as Monaceel, White
- 21:03County, right? Um we're state line to
- 21:06state line. So Terode over to Richmond.
- 21:08>> Okay. Okay. And then down as far south
- 21:10as Switzerland, although it's a little
- 21:11bit of an outlier for us, Switzerland
- 21:13County, we're really more like
- 21:15Bloomington.
- 21:16>> Okay.
- 21:16>> Columbus, that area. Got it. Okay. And
- 21:18then a little further south.
- 21:19>> All right. So, in 2007, you're doing
- 21:21that. You're writing the plan. What's
- 21:23your role? Do you have had the same role
- 21:26just in the larger organization or
- 21:27what's your role go to?
- 21:28>> Sure. So, one of the selling features
- 21:30from um this Girl Scout Council
- 21:32realignment was that they Girl Scouts of
- 21:34the USA was aware that we have all these
- 21:36smaller councils who maybe don't have
- 21:38the capacity um to have larger staffs,
- 21:41right? And so we very much wore a lot of
- 21:43hats at Girl Scouts of Sycamore Council,
- 21:45right? And so I was a communications
- 21:46person, but I was also overseeing
- 21:48membership and program and the site
- 21:49manager.
- 21:49>> Yeah. Little everything.
- 21:50>> Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Which was great
- 21:52experience for me. Uh but they wanted to
- 21:54be a bit more efficient, right? And so
- 21:57um I became the director of
- 21:58communications um for Girl Scouts of
- 22:00Central again. I went back to my roots.
- 22:02>> Gotcha. Right.
- 22:03>> Yeah. That's awesome. All right. So
- 22:05eventually we know you end up as CEO,
- 22:08but how does that progression change for
- 22:10you? Because obviously the the first CEO
- 22:13helped you, gave you an opportunity to
- 22:14start managing some people. How do you
- 22:16go from the director of communications
- 22:18now to the CEO?
- 22:19>> Yeah.
- 22:21Oh, I had a lot of really great mentors.
- 22:24um got a lot of great opportunities for
- 22:25me along the way. Uh you know the Girl
- 22:28Scout motto, you used it earlier and I
- 22:29love that. Be prepared, which is a good
- 22:31one. My own personal motto is to show up
- 22:34and be helpful.
- 22:35>> Oh, I like that. Yeah, that simple and
- 22:38very succinct and it gosh, if people
- 22:40just thought about that, that's a great
- 22:41way just to do life.
- 22:43>> Yes,
- 22:43>> I like that. Okay, go ahead.
- 22:45>> Yes. And so, um, really from the very
- 22:48early stages when I was a Girl Scout
- 22:49staff member, I learned, um, really to
- 22:52just kind of, you know, show up to
- 22:53events and see what you can do, um, and
- 22:56not worry about the job description. You
- 22:58know, a lot of the things that I did
- 22:59weren't really in my job description,
- 23:01but to me, it was opportunity to learn
- 23:03new things, which again, I love, and
- 23:05also, I could help people along the way,
- 23:07help support my colleagues, help support
- 23:09the girls that we served. And so I
- 23:11earned a lot of experience in that
- 23:13director communications role, which
- 23:15might sound a little narrow. Um, I would
- 23:17show up and do whatever I could to help
- 23:18out. And so I was gaining technology
- 23:21experience, right? Like there's some IT
- 23:22stuff there in early stages like
- 23:24projectors and cables and like just
- 23:26whatever I could do.
- 23:28>> I was slinging tables, right? I was
- 23:29setting up chairs. Um, at Girl Scouts to
- 23:32Sycamore Council, we actually had in
- 23:34that smaller council, we had a a little
- 23:36committee of staff who put together the
- 23:38Girl Scout cookie program each year. And
- 23:40so I led that as director of
- 23:41communications. Um, but then we had the
- 23:43operations person who actually like
- 23:45figured out the transportation of the
- 23:46cookies and organized the TRS. We had
- 23:48somebody else who was in charge of
- 23:50training and so on. And so because of
- 23:52that experience again at Sycamore
- 23:54Council, that smaller council,
- 23:55eventually I lended that um, Girl Scout
- 23:58cookie experience. And so I started
- 23:59overseeing Girl Scout cookies and that
- 24:01whole program as director of
- 24:02communications
- 24:03>> uh because they were like, "Well, you've
- 24:04got this too."
- 24:05>> And so very shortly um after that, I
- 24:08became the chief communications officer.
- 24:10>> I started overseeing other departments
- 24:12like the the product program team, which
- 24:13is the Girl Scout cookie team. And so
- 24:15earned more experience along the way.
- 24:17And then I started overseeing it, the IT
- 24:19department, um and then at some retail
- 24:22sales. And so as I just kind of moved
- 24:25along and gained more and more
- 24:26experience and opportunity um I started
- 24:28overseeing different departments and
- 24:30just my portfolio got larger and larger
- 24:32of the different areas that I was able
- 24:34to impact and
- 24:34>> yeah you know the show up and be helpful
- 24:38that there's so many things you can hear
- 24:39as you as you think about that career
- 24:41progression
- 24:43you were just helpful you were doing
- 24:45things and then eventually people could
- 24:46say well well Dina could take this over
- 24:48Dena could do this right over those
- 24:50things and it wasn't you went and earned
- 24:52that just by doing the natural things.
- 24:54By the way, slinging tables, I I like
- 24:56that term right there. Slinging tables,
- 24:58ragged, you know, those type things.
- 24:59But, you know, as a leader, you were
- 25:01doing everything along the way. So, do
- 25:04you end up like as like a a COO before
- 25:06you become the CEO? What what's the last
- 25:08stop before you become CEO?
- 25:10>> Yeah, sure. So, I'm very much a servant
- 25:12leader as which you honed in on. So, um
- 25:15I was the chief communications officer
- 25:17for quite a while under the leadership
- 25:18of Deborah Hearn Smith, one of our
- 25:20former CEO. She's great. I learned a lot
- 25:22from her too. And then uh Deborah
- 25:24retired and along came Danielle Shocki,
- 25:26our former CEO. And I learned a lot from
- 25:28Danielle, especially around rolling up
- 25:30your sleeves and helping out the team to
- 25:31get things done.
- 25:32>> And so again, Danielle, I think, saw
- 25:34some things in me. Um I did go for the
- 25:37CEO position when Danielle was hired,
- 25:38but the feedback I got back from the
- 25:40search groom was you need more
- 25:42operations experience. And so I had that
- 25:44experience from the 4,000 girl council,
- 25:46right? But I didn't have it from the
- 25:4715,000 to 20,000 girl perspective. And
- 25:50it's different. I not her and so again
- 25:52Danielle I think saw some things in me
- 25:54saw that there was opportunity there and
- 25:56so she began giving me more experience
- 25:58too. So um she um asked me to be the
- 26:02chief um marketing and membership
- 26:04officer and so I started working with
- 26:05the membership team again kind of back
- 26:07to my roots
- 26:08>> and then um slowly again earned more
- 26:10responsibility. So went from chief
- 26:12mission delivery off, excuse me, chief
- 26:13marketing um and membership officer to
- 26:17um chief experience officer and that was
- 26:19all about honing in on the experience of
- 26:21our Girl Scouts and their families and
- 26:23our volunteers. And so that was really
- 26:24enjoyable and interesting. Really
- 26:26focused in on the mission of the
- 26:27organization and then finally chief
- 26:29operating officer which really kind of
- 26:31just acknowledged I was serving as the
- 26:32right hand of our organization.
- 26:34>> Makes sense.
- 26:35>> You know we've talked a lot about Girl
- 26:36Scouts and couple of things that we've
- 26:39learned along the way. Number one, that
- 26:40each individual Girl Scout council is
- 26:43its own 501c3, right? So that's a lot of
- 26:45folks think that Girl Scouts this big
- 26:47national thing, and it is. There's
- 26:49obviously a national level to it, but
- 26:51each individual council is its own
- 26:53individual operating system. That's one
- 26:56interesting thing. Two, we we've talked
- 26:58a lot about being prepared, and it's
- 27:00interesting as you listen to your story,
- 27:02you you seem like you always were
- 27:04prepared. you were a humble servant
- 27:05leader and the next thing you know you
- 27:07kind of just learned and learned and
- 27:08learned and continued to help people
- 27:10which by the way is a great part of your
- 27:11story. But the Girl Scouts, I don't know
- 27:14that a lot of folks truly know what the
- 27:17Girl Scouts actually do. I I think
- 27:19there's their thoughts in their minds
- 27:21and maybe when they were kids and what
- 27:22they were thinking, but it'd be a great
- 27:24opportunity to talk what's the Girl
- 27:26Scouts do, who is serving, you know,
- 27:28what's the mission, those types of
- 27:29things.
- 27:30>> Great. So, uh, Girl Scouts serves girls
- 27:33in grades K to 12. So, we really do go
- 27:35whole from kindergarten all the way up
- 27:37to graduating from high school. Um, you
- 27:40know, the really cool thing about Girl
- 27:43Scouts is that, uh, we operate on
- 27:45progression. And so, our youngest Girl
- 27:47Scouts are doing, um, smaller things
- 27:49really help support the troop and to
- 27:51help lead the troop. And by that, I
- 27:53mean, you know, maybe they're in charge
- 27:54of the chores before the meeting or
- 27:56after meeting. Maybe they bring the
- 27:58snack, right? or maybe they're making
- 28:00sure that we're leaving places better
- 28:01than we found them. Um, two, our um,
- 28:05middle- range girls, maybe our middle
- 28:07school age girls are starting to learn
- 28:09about um, goal setting and planning for
- 28:12a trip they might want to take to
- 28:13Savannah, Georgia, right? And how many
- 28:15cookies maybe they need to sell in order
- 28:16to be able to go on that trip to
- 28:18Savannah. Police self-sustaining to um,
- 28:20our high school Girl Scouts. They are
- 28:22leading the me the meeting. The
- 28:23volunteer is there to keep them safe and
- 28:25make sure, right, to kind of guide them.
- 28:27But when it comes to those high school
- 28:28age girl scouts, that troop is theirs
- 28:30and they're really leading that troop.
- 28:31>> So, I think that progression of learning
- 28:33leadership along the way is really cool.
- 28:36The other really cool thing about our
- 28:37program is that girls make lifelong
- 28:39friends uh in Girl Scouts and they're
- 28:42learning things along the way that they
- 28:43have no idea become skills that they're
- 28:45going to use for life. Um it helps them
- 28:47in inform their college decisions or
- 28:49their post high school decisions,
- 28:51additional education. And then we see
- 28:53very many of them who get careers in the
- 28:55fields that they learned about in Girl
- 28:57Scouts that they really enjoyed. Jason,
- 28:59they had no idea they were doing that,
- 29:00right? When they were Girl Scouts, they
- 29:02were just having fun with their friends.
- 29:03Yeah.
- 29:04>> Uh but the impact that we see is really
- 29:05lifelong.
- 29:06>> Yeah, it's amazing.
- 29:07>> It really is. And so here are some of
- 29:09the things I think that we that we do
- 29:10that people may not really think about
- 29:12or know about. So we operate uh four
- 29:14Girl Scout camps across the 45 counties.
- 29:16One of them is Camp Delwood, which is
- 29:18right on the west side of Indianapolis.
- 29:20Camp Delwood has an exploration lab.
- 29:23It's a building um that really has three
- 29:26different labs that we offer STEM
- 29:28activities, science, technology,
- 29:29engineering, and math activities um for
- 29:31badge earning. And so a troop can
- 29:33basically rent that space at that lab
- 29:36and there's somebody on site, a
- 29:37facilitator who doesn't really
- 29:39facilitate that program for them. The
- 29:40troop still does that and they lead
- 29:42through that, but they're on site in
- 29:43case they have any questions, right? Or
- 29:44they kind of need some help along the
- 29:46way. And we have all those supplies in
- 29:48that exploration lab for that bad
- 29:49journey activity, for the STEM activity
- 29:51that actually was called a math and
- 29:53science center back in the day. It was
- 29:55built around 2000, 2001. And so before
- 29:58STEM was even a thing, we were doing
- 30:00that out at Cameron. Right.
- 30:02>> The other cool thing that we've done is
- 30:04um the entire um campus about 150 acres
- 30:07there on the west side of Indianapolis
- 30:09is called um a STEM experience center.
- 30:12And so what we've done is we've
- 30:14acknowledged that there is STEM
- 30:16everywhere that you look, especially in
- 30:17the outdoors. And so we've begun
- 30:20overlaying those STEM activities over
- 30:23some of the typ traditional camp
- 30:24activities. And so we do archery out at
- 30:27Camp Dwood, but then we also talk about
- 30:29the science behind it, right? The
- 30:30physics, the friction, and so on is one
- 30:32example. And so we've taken those kind
- 30:34of everyday camp activities and we also
- 30:37help girls learn the STEM behind those
- 30:39activities, too.
- 30:40>> Yeah. using everyday experiences where
- 30:42they're having fun. They absorb things
- 30:44like a sponge when they're having fun.
- 30:45What a great way to do that. You know,
- 30:47if you're a Girl Scout and you go all
- 30:48the way through high school, there's an
- 30:50award potentially you can get. Could you
- 30:52talk a little bit about that for some of
- 30:53those young ladies that get an award at
- 30:54the end?
- 30:55>> Sure. So, we have uh three of our
- 30:57highest awards. Um the bronze award is
- 31:00usually middle school age girl scouts.
- 31:01They usually do that as a group
- 31:02activity. They find a community service
- 31:04project that's really interesting to
- 31:06them and they earn a little bit of money
- 31:09or they use their Girl Scout cookie
- 31:10money and then they perform that
- 31:12activity. So that's the bronze award.
- 31:14The Girl Scout Silver Award is typically
- 31:16like older middle school, younger high
- 31:18school age girls. They usually do that
- 31:20on their own or maybe they buddy up to
- 31:22earn that award. It's a little bit more
- 31:24sophisticated than the bronze award in
- 31:26terms of like a larger community service
- 31:27project. Again, they earn a little funds
- 31:29for it to use their girls cookie money
- 31:30to do that. And then the award you might
- 31:32be thinking about is the Girl Scout Gold
- 31:34Award.
- 31:35>> It's the highest award in Girl Scouts.
- 31:36Usually, uh, older high school age girls
- 31:39earn that. Usually juniors and seniors
- 31:41in high school. Um, they usually take on
- 31:43a huge service project that they've
- 31:45really become passionate about through
- 31:47the years. Uh, they earn money for that.
- 31:49They or organize usually a big group of
- 31:52volunteers to actually help them get
- 31:53that project done because usually it's
- 31:54pretty big. They can't get it done on
- 31:56their own. And so there's some people
- 31:57management involved in that. there's
- 31:59usually a fairly significant amount of
- 32:00funds that they're going to need for
- 32:02that. The other really cool thing about
- 32:03the gold award is it needs to be um
- 32:06sustainable.
- 32:07>> It needs to have a lasting impact on the
- 32:09community that they're serving. And so
- 32:11it takes uh quite a bit more thought for
- 32:12them, quite a bit more preparation.
- 32:14>> Now, the other cool thing about the gold
- 32:16award is that when girls earn that, we
- 32:18know that colleges are looking at the
- 32:20gold award that helps set them apart
- 32:21when it comes to the college
- 32:22application.
- 32:23>> We also know that they earn uh one rank
- 32:26higher in the military. So they go into
- 32:28the military as a gold award earnner one
- 32:30rank higher than all of the other people
- 32:32that are going in.
- 32:33>> Wow.
- 32:33>> So it has significant benefits.
- 32:35>> Yeah. I I I asked the question for a
- 32:37specific reason. So I used to get to
- 32:39hire an awful lot of folks at a large
- 32:41company that I worked for and I had a
- 32:44recruiter, multiple recruiters, and I I
- 32:46told them a couple of things. As we're
- 32:48looking at candidates, if somebody says
- 32:50that I have a gold star award, no matter
- 32:53what, interview them. Because it at the
- 32:56end of the day, at a young age, they've
- 32:58they've orchestrated everything you've
- 32:59talked about. They've put together
- 33:01something. It's sustainable. They've
- 33:02managed a team. They've worked in their
- 33:04community. They've done all that stuff
- 33:06while going to school, potentially
- 33:08having a job. Interview them. Give them
- 33:10an opportunity, right? And so, bubble
- 33:12them up to the top. We could have
- 33:13hundreds of applicants, but if they said
- 33:16gold star, they're going to the top.
- 33:17>> That's great.
- 33:18>> And so, don't know that all of them
- 33:19always got a job, but they always got to
- 33:22look. And so to me, I think that's just
- 33:24awesome, by the way. And so the Girl
- 33:26Scouts, I I just I really do enjoy the
- 33:28way that the Girl Scouts teaches by
- 33:30having fun. You I'm going to go out and
- 33:32shoot bow and arrow somewhere
- 33:33Capellwood, but I'm also going to learn
- 33:36about the physics behind that, right?
- 33:38But I'm having fun with my friends and
- 33:40so so terrific. Um, as you think about,
- 33:43you know, Girl Scouts and some of the
- 33:45things that have changed, obviously been
- 33:46with the Girl Scouts now for a number of
- 33:48years, technologies evolved. you've
- 33:51mentioned a lot of technology and a lot
- 33:53of STEM and those things, but how is
- 33:54technology evolving, you know, within
- 33:56the Girl Scouts or maybe in the
- 33:58nonprofit space and what are your
- 33:59thoughts on that?
- 34:00>> Yeah, you know, it's funny. Back in 1999
- 34:02when I started uh with Girl Scouts of
- 34:04Sycamore Council, I asked them for a
- 34:07tour of the office space and there was
- 34:09one thing I was looking for, Jason, and
- 34:11this is probably pretty foreign to some
- 34:12people. Was looking to see if there was
- 34:13a computer on my desk,
- 34:15>> right? I knew it was a smaller
- 34:17nonprofit. It was back in the late 90s.
- 34:19it wasn't exactly guaranteed that there
- 34:21was going to be a computer there. I saw
- 34:22a computer on the desk and I wanted the
- 34:24job, right? Like I was like, okay, the
- 34:26right tool was there for me to be able
- 34:28to do that. Um, you know, back in that
- 34:30time, um, there wasn't really a
- 34:32consistent membership database for us to
- 34:35submit all of our girls that we were
- 34:36serving the 4,000 girls. Girl Scouts USA
- 34:39had just dispatched just sent out, um,
- 34:42315 computers to each Girl Scout, one
- 34:44for each Girl Scout council. So they
- 34:46would have a computer, they could send
- 34:47their membership files off to Girl
- 34:49Scouts USA. So I've seen this come a
- 34:52very long way. A very long way. Yeah, I
- 34:54sure have. Um, you know what? These days
- 34:56I think the challenge for Girl Scouts is
- 34:59that we are uh a national organization,
- 35:02a national brand, but we're still a
- 35:04little challenged by technology in terms
- 35:06of having one network that families can
- 35:09do everything they need to do, get all
- 35:11their services from Girl Scouts.
- 35:13>> Here's an example. So, we do have a
- 35:14consistent membership platform in
- 35:16Salesforce. Girl Scouts USA manages that
- 35:19platform. We have certain rights to be
- 35:20able to access that platform as a Girl
- 35:22Scout council. Um, and that's incred as
- 35:24you can incredibly helpful, right? There
- 35:27is not a consistent platform to register
- 35:28for Girl Scout camp. Each Girl Scout
- 35:30council goes and gets their own
- 35:32platform, two or three consistent ones
- 35:34that we use across the country. Um, but
- 35:37that becomes limiting because now there
- 35:39really shouldn't be any borders to Girl
- 35:41Scout councils. People don't know Girl
- 35:42Scouts to central Indiana from Girl
- 35:44Scouts of Northern Indiana, Michigan,
- 35:45right? They would just think I can
- 35:47register for Girl Scout camp no matter
- 35:48where I want to go in the state of
- 35:49Indiana.
- 35:50>> So, we need a consistent platform to
- 35:53register for Girl Scout camps. Go to any
- 35:55Girl Scout camp that you want to across
- 35:56the state. We also need a consistent
- 35:59platform to manage our and reserve our
- 36:01properties. And so, we have Girl Scout
- 36:03troops throughout the year who rent our
- 36:06uh Girl Scout camps. They want to go
- 36:07with their troop, right, and camp for
- 36:09the weekend. Uh again, you would expect
- 36:11you could do that no matter which
- 36:13council you're going to in the state of
- 36:14Indiana. There's not a consistent
- 36:16property platform to be able to go and
- 36:18reserve property, right?
- 36:19>> And so while we are we should be
- 36:22borderless in terms of the Girl Scout
- 36:24councils in the state of Indiana, there
- 36:26should be any difference between from
- 36:27one council to the next, technology
- 36:29right now is limiting us from being able
- 36:31to share those opportunities across the
- 36:34lines, the Girl Scout Council lines.
- 36:35>> Gotcha. All right. So technology is
- 36:37evolving.
- 36:38>> Yes. It's good that the young ladies are
- 36:40learning a lot about technology, but
- 36:42eventually some things coming together
- 36:43could just make it easier to be able to
- 36:45reach more girls. Yes, that's where we
- 36:47stand with technology.
- 36:48>> Yes. And Girl Scouts USA is really
- 36:49working on that. They know the need that
- 36:52exists out there. Um, you know, a
- 36:54consistent uh shopping cart, even go get
- 36:55your membership, buy your badges, right?
- 36:57Register for Girl Scout Camp. Right now,
- 36:59that one system doesn't exist. And
- 37:01they're working on that to be able to
- 37:03make sure that we have those consistent
- 37:04services. We're not quite Amazon yet and
- 37:06we'd like, you know, we'd like to be in
- 37:07terms of the service we could provide.
- 37:09>> Absolutely. Event eventually you'll get
- 37:10there and Amazon, you know, love them or
- 37:12hate them, they make it easy to be able
- 37:14to spend money and be able to do the
- 37:15things they want to do, right? And
- 37:17access is key, right? Giving those uh
- 37:19young kids and their families access to
- 37:21be able to do those things, continue to
- 37:22support what they're trying to get done.
- 37:24>> So, talking about, you know, 501c3
- 37:27obviously is a nonprofit. Community is
- 37:29pretty big. When you think about
- 37:31community, what what comes to mind? What
- 37:33what's community mean to you?
- 37:35>> Sure. Oh my goodness. You know,
- 37:37community is is so many things. Uh I
- 37:40first think about the community that
- 37:41that we've built um the culture that we
- 37:43have at Girl Scouts of Central Indiana.
- 37:45We are a people first organization. We
- 37:48know that we need to take care of our
- 37:49people so they can take care of our
- 37:50volunteers and the families that we
- 37:52serve. And so it's very very important
- 37:53to us. We're also a family organization.
- 37:55You know, um families to us are the the
- 37:58first priority. And so we make sure that
- 37:59we're supporting the families um that
- 38:02our staffs go home to every night who
- 38:04support them.
- 38:05>> And so for me that's very much community
- 38:08and I'm really thoughtful about that for
- 38:09our teams to make sure we're supporting
- 38:11them.
- 38:12>> Um the next definitely place that I
- 38:14think about with community is our Girl
- 38:15Scout community. Um it's a it's a
- 38:18membership organization for a reason.
- 38:20You know, uh once a Girl Scout always a
- 38:22Girl Scout is a very real thing. We're
- 38:24almost like a sorority in a sense of a
- 38:26sisterhood. Mhm.
- 38:27>> And so that community, that network is
- 38:30very, very important. I've heard people
- 38:32tell stories. There's actually a Lily
- 38:34exec right now um who I've gotten to
- 38:36know. And she talks about um traveling
- 38:38with her family um when she was a girl
- 38:41and about how once she got connected to
- 38:43a Girl Scout troop, she really felt as
- 38:45though she had her network of friends.
- 38:46So it didn't matter where she went
- 38:48across the country or even across the
- 38:50world, she knew there was a Girl Scout
- 38:52troop there that she could get plugged
- 38:54into and have an instinct group of
- 38:55friends. And that was um that means a
- 38:57lot to me that we're able to provide
- 38:59that.
- 38:59>> Yeah. Sure.
- 39:00>> Yeah. For our girls.
- 39:01>> Absolutely. So community we everybody
- 39:03knows cookies. I I think right. I mean I
- 39:06I I if it were me I would put the
- 39:08serving size on the the back to say box
- 39:11because you just open it up and eat it.
- 39:12That's the appropriate way to do it in
- 39:14my opinion. But so we know cookies but
- 39:16how can the community if there's some
- 39:19things we could do to get involved? What
- 39:20would we do to get more involved with
- 39:21the Girl Scouts?
- 39:22>> Yeah. You know a couple things. We have
- 39:24uh cocktails at camp happens every year
- 39:27in September and it's our uh signature
- 39:29fundraising event for the year. It's a
- 39:31lot of fun. Jason, I think you've been
- 39:33there.
- 39:33>> I have. Yeah.
- 39:34>> Yeah. And so, uh essentially it's uh
- 39:37camp for grown-ups for the night.
- 39:39>> And so we have all different kinds of
- 39:41the camp activities we do every day for
- 39:43girls, whether it's archery or hatchet
- 39:44throwing or slingshots. Um we also have
- 39:47rifle. Um so, a lot of fun. Come out and
- 39:51try your hand at all that stuff. Um,
- 39:53after you do that, we have cocktails.
- 39:55Uh, we have usually beer that's provided
- 39:57by different wonderful friends that we
- 39:59have across the city. Um, we have
- 40:02wonderful food, really, really good
- 40:03food. Come out for that. And then, uh,
- 40:06things usually going on at the Founders
- 40:08Lodge, which is right there at Camp
- 40:09Dwood. Uh, we usually have a small band,
- 40:12we have a DJ, just a lot of fun, uh, for
- 40:15the evening. And so, come out and
- 40:16support us. Tickets are individual
- 40:18tickets are going on sale right now.
- 40:20We're also looking for corporate
- 40:21sponsors, so would love to have any kind
- 40:23of support for that. Um, you can go to
- 40:24girlsind indiana.org and then there's a
- 40:26cocktails at camp button right there.
- 40:28And so, go support us for that. We are
- 40:30also we have a monthly giving campaign
- 40:33and so for you know uh five 10 bucks,
- 40:35whatever you might spend on a cup of
- 40:37coffee or two during the month, uh it's
- 40:39a great way to get involved. You get on
- 40:41our list to know what's going on with
- 40:42Girl Scouts throughout the year. Uh, and
- 40:44it's a wonderful way to to begin to
- 40:45support us um in a in an individual
- 40:48giving kind of way. Um, you know, the
- 40:51evolution that I've seen is that the
- 40:53Girl Scout cookie program, while it's
- 40:55fantastic, it's a learning opportunities
- 40:57for girl for girls. It's a program for
- 40:59them. It's teaches entrepreneurship.
- 41:02They learn how to set a budget, learn
- 41:03how to set goals. Um, and then they
- 41:06learn how to approach the community, ask
- 41:07people to buy, communication skills, and
- 41:09so on. um it's about 65% of our revenue
- 41:13for Girl Scouts. And so um it's
- 41:15wonderful, but it's also a little scary
- 41:17to have that large of your revenue come
- 41:19from one program. Um which is by the way
- 41:22supported by girls. Our girls are all
- 41:23selling cookies. And so we are looking
- 41:25for other um self-sustaining ways for
- 41:27our organization to really be able to
- 41:29make sure um that we're able to to
- 41:31support our Girl Scouts for generations
- 41:33to come. And so that's why that
- 41:35individual giving that I just talked
- 41:36about is so important uh for our
- 41:38community to help support us.
- 41:40>> Yeah, get getting out to the community
- 41:42and having them support is is awesome. I
- 41:44want to clarify,
- 41:45>> you know, cocktails at camp is a really
- 41:47great event,
- 41:48>> but you throw the axes and you shoot
- 41:51arrows before you have cocktails, right?
- 41:53So yeah, you'd get all that done because
- 41:55otherwise it would be a different kind
- 41:56of a of an experience out there. But
- 41:58it's an awful lot of fun. It is really
- 42:00good food and people that haven't been
- 42:02should go. And then, you know, having
- 42:04the opportunity to be in the community
- 42:06and to see young ladies out selling
- 42:08cookies, how anybody could walk past
- 42:10those young and not say hello and and
- 42:13ask them a little bit of something. I
- 42:14personally carry cash um for that during
- 42:17that time. And I get a chance to talk to
- 42:20those young ladies, which sometimes
- 42:22their moms and dads look at me a little
- 42:23funny first and I clarify, hey, this is,
- 42:25you know, these types of things, but I
- 42:27get a chance to ask them what they
- 42:28really like about Girl Scouts. And I
- 42:31over the last couple of years, the
- 42:33number of young ladies that have said,
- 42:34you know, I really like learning about
- 42:36this or learning about that and and some
- 42:39of it has to do with STEM. I got to do
- 42:41this project or whatever the case is.
- 42:43I'm like, that is awesome to hear what
- 42:45they're doing. And yet they're having a
- 42:46ton of fun, right? And then I asked
- 42:48them, I said, "Okay, I can make a
- 42:49donation or I could buy some boxes and
- 42:52you could give them away." And usually
- 42:53there's two young ladies a lot of times,
- 42:55especially at the Kroger I go to, and
- 42:56they start talking about what their
- 42:58strategy will be. Should we take the
- 43:00boxes, give them away for free and
- 43:02entice people to buy more, or should we
- 43:04just take the donation? And it is
- 43:06phenomenal. Yeah. I I just love to see
- 43:08seven, eight, nineyear-old kind of
- 43:10thinking of this from a business
- 43:11perspective. What are we going to do?
- 43:13It's so much fun.
- 43:14>> Yeah. Well, and that's exactly what it
- 43:16teaches girls. That's that's fantastic.
- 43:17Thanks for doing that.
- 43:18>> Love every second and ad. So, you know,
- 43:20your story, the evolution going through
- 43:22college and deciding to make some career
- 43:24changes, ending up in communications,
- 43:27deciding that sales wasn't necessarily
- 43:29the right spot, but hearing, you know,
- 43:31humble servant leadership throughout
- 43:34your entire journey to where now you are
- 43:36the CEO having an opportunity to
- 43:39influence everybody not only in the
- 43:41council, but also those young ladies and
- 43:43their families. It's terrific to see a
- 43:45servant leader at your role. And so,
- 43:47thank you for all that you're doing
- 43:48there. The Girl Scout does. But before
- 43:51we end, if you're not at Girl Scouts, if
- 43:53you're not doing something there, what
- 43:54are you doing for fun?
- 43:55>> Oh, yeah. That's a great question. Um,
- 43:58we're getting into summer and I'm so
- 44:00excited about that. I love to kayak. We
- 44:02go kayaking almost every weekend that we
- 44:03can. We usually hit up the local lakes
- 44:07and rivers. Um, and so love to just get
- 44:09outside and go kaying. Also love
- 44:12boating. you know, u most of the time
- 44:13it's under my own power. I go kayaking,
- 44:15but on occasion love a good pontoon boat
- 44:17to eat out and bright and just relax.
- 44:19So, love the water. Um, also a Purdue
- 44:22football season ticket holder. Have been
- 44:24really since shortly after college. Y
- 44:26>> So, that means I've seen some good
- 44:27football, a lot of bad football, right?
- 44:29Um, but I love my Boiler Makers.
- 44:31>> Yeah, sure.
- 44:32>> Purdue athletics fan in general.
- 44:34>> Um, so I enjoy following them as well.
- 44:37Um, a lot of sports. I just enjoy
- 44:39watching sports. Uh, I have recently
- 44:42learned how to play pickle ball.
- 44:43>> Okay.
- 44:44>> And I'm like one of those obsessed
- 44:45people. I love it.
- 44:46>> So So now you're all in on pickle ball.
- 44:48>> I am. Yeah.
- 44:48>> So you're you're one of those folks.
- 44:50>> Yes. Got my racket in my little bag,
- 44:52right? That it goes in. Got my own
- 44:53pickle balls. I'm talking to my friends
- 44:55all the time about can we go? Right. Let
- 44:58me teach you pickle ball. It's a lot of
- 44:59fun.
- 45:00>> Yeah.
- 45:00>> I just love getting outside and being
- 45:02active.
- 45:02>> Sure.
- 45:03>> Um I think health for me is health is
- 45:04wealth. It's very important. So I want
- 45:06to keep going for a really long time. Y
- 45:08>> I love to travel. Okay.
- 45:10>> Uh, and you know, I think about our Girl
- 45:11Scouts when I travel because to me, when
- 45:14you get outside of your own smaller
- 45:16community, get outside of your state,
- 45:18right? Um, explore the country and then
- 45:21if you have a chance to get outside of
- 45:22our country and go explore other
- 45:24countries, learn about their cultures,
- 45:27um, learn about the language a little
- 45:28bit more and just get out and meet
- 45:30people and talk to them. It's it's such
- 45:33a a broadening a minding experience. Um,
- 45:37and that I think that it really helps us
- 45:40see that the world is just so much
- 45:41bigger than we are. Yeah.
- 45:42>> And there's so many different
- 45:43perspectives and points of view. So many
- 45:46different places that people have walked
- 45:48that I've never walked, right? So I
- 45:50don't really know their journey or
- 45:51understand it. Uh, but to get to learn
- 45:53more about that, I think it's just a
- 45:55wonderful opportunity. And so that's
- 45:56what I'd love to see our Girl Scouts do.
- 45:57And there are a fair amount of them that
- 45:58do love to travel, you know, and so, um,
- 46:01anything that we can do to help, uh,
- 46:03with our young people and make sure
- 46:04they're getting out, right, and having
- 46:06these experiences, I think, is really
- 46:08important for us.
- 46:09>> Yeah, I like that. And before we close,
- 46:10I just want to kind of bring something
- 46:12back. You started your role on Martin
- 46:15Luther King Day, so you could come in on
- 46:16a holiday um, so that you could be there
- 46:18without having to be around so many
- 46:20folks to get started. And now you're
- 46:22talking about traveling the United
- 46:23States and the world to go out and meet
- 46:25people, read their stories, and do all
- 46:26those types of things. The evolution's
- 46:28been terrific to hear. Yeah.
- 46:30>> And uh good for you with the
- 46:31opportunities to do that. Continued
- 46:33success for you and the Girl Scouts. So,
- 46:35thanks for being on the show. Thank you.