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Football at Four: A Discussion on Eagles Big Win Over Chiefs the Day After · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And Football on four is powered by the Inside of
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  Atlantic City.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Boscher's here today.
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  Speaker 1: He'll join us for today's Football at four as you
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  deserved from Nick Sirianni moments ago. Football at four of
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  course here on the Sports Bash, and you take a
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  look back at the Eagles win twenty to seventeen over
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  the Kansas City Chiefs. Hey, listen, you go on the
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  road in the NFL, it's tough to win. You go
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  on the road in the NFL against a team that
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  has had the run that the Chiefs has had, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Even more impressive.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I think we can all agree that this Chiefs team,
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  you know on first site does it really overly impresses.
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  Speaker 2: But they had a lot to play for.
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  Speaker 1: They were playing basically to get out of oh to
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  two possibilities, which we all know what to two does
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  to a team. And it's the third straight loss for
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  the Chiefs. Let's bring in Jeff Boscher from the Inside
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  of the Birds podcast and get his takeaways on that
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  Eagles win, which, you know, twenty to seventeen, probably closer
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  than it should have been. But ultimately Mosher an impressive
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  win to win on the road against a team that
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  is basically, you know, scratched and calling to do everything
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  they could to avoid it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh A t start.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when you say closer than it should
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  have been, I mean they were playing a pretty good
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  team in Kansas City. If you're saying they shouldn't have
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  allowed that to get beat over the top in that situation,
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  I would I would agree that that's kind of something
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  that they'll have to work on because you had that
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  game in the bag, but they'd had a double digit
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  lead there for you know, the second half when they
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  went up twenty to ten, and they had frustrated the
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  Kansas City offense and defensively played really well and you know, offensively,
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  it was a grinded out affair for them. I think
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  I'm a little surprised by I don't know, I guess
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  there's this sort of what's wrong with this passing offense
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  and Kevin Batulo vibe that I'm sensing on social media
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  and even listening to the show a little bit. And
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  you know, I wrote a story on Philly Voice dot
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  com today, Mike, and it came out an hour before
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  Nick Suri eyes press conference. And it's always good as
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  a writer when you when you kind of break something
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  down after watching the tape and then the coach says
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  the exact Fame King, So I know I'm on the
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  same page here. They're just not getting as many explosive plays.
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  It's only been two weeks as they were last year.
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  There have been no Saquon Barkley runs over sixteen yards,
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  and then yesterday there were probably four of those one
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  on one situations on the outside that Jalen Hurts typically
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  feasts off of, and he only hit one of them
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  instead of two or three or all four, And so
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  that sort of to me makes up the difference from
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  why they're about sixty or seventy yards behind where they
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  typically are in their per game offensive averages and explosive
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  plays aren't there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obviously that's the big thing is is
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  the past game is just not there. Again, last year
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  we had a lot of similar questions, like what's going
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  on with the past game? How come it's not so explosive?
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  How come there's not a lot of big plays in
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  the offense. Do you since then that those are coming
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  down the road?
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  Speaker 3: See that's and that's the only way an area where
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  I would sort of disagree with what Nick Sirianni said
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  because I think he had to say as a coach
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  where he said he'll work on it. In practice, they'll
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  get better at it. But like you know, you don't work,
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  you work on your plays. You know, the Saquon Barkley
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  not having a sixty or seventy yard run isn't because
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  it is something that's going to be perfected in practice.
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  I mean those come in bunch.
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  Speaker 1: It we lose you, Jeff sounds like we might have
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  lost Bocher there. He will get him back on the
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  phone here on the Sports Bats Live. You know, he
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  talking about the past game here.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not ready just to say, look, this past game
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  can't come together. I think they have to kind of
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  build together and kind of grow this pass game together.
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  But you're not seeing a lot of the shots down
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  the field. You know, early in the game, there was
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  a report from Mike erra Fulla the NFL network that
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  they were going to try to get aj Brown involved
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  in the game early, and they did that. So, Jeff,
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  if you want to kind of continue to expand on
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  what we see from this passing offense through two weeks
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  and then where it could go really.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was just saying, like, there, what do
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  you work on? I mean, you just you run your
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  offense and you're hoping that you're going to hit those
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  plays pretty soon. Down to AJ George Devonte, and they
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  finally got one of Devonte. And I'm sure with the
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  Rams coming to town, we all know what happened last
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  year or twice. I'm sure sat Kwon Barkley is licking
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  his chops and he'll get an explosive play. But Mike,
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  there's nothing different about the design of the offense, the
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  play calling, the offense. I just watched it all and
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  it's not like I know everybody's circling Kevin Patuo, but
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  I don't think he's doing anything. From a formational or
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  strategic standpoint that's much different.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff, what do you think of the offensive line? Because
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  I thought there was a lot of time for Jalen
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  Hurts and that would be far past game.
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  Speaker 2: Here is how calm.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of time, but not a lot
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  of success in the pass game.
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  Speaker 3: I thought they did a great job. Honestly, I was
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  writing down notes in them.
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  Speaker 2: The one.
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  Speaker 3: The one bad job I thought they did was I
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  think it was the first player league not even the
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  first play. It was the first run had where Landon
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  Dickerson allowed inside pressure and got stopped. But you know,
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  for all the blitzing that they did, especially those zero blitzes,
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  that requires a lot of communication, a lot of the
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  correct slide protections, and from Jalen Hurts, it requires knowing
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  that there's going to be a free rusher because those
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  blitzers are designed to break down your protection schemes. And
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  I thought he did a good job of getting rid
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  of the ball and not taking a bullload of sacks
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  and turning the ball over. From then from that.
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  Speaker 1: Standpoint, yeah, you know, the offensive line in the past
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  game gave him a lot of time. As you kind
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  of talked about, twenty two carries eighty eight yards for sake, Barkley.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like he has some roomed run.
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  Speaker 1: He just not hasn't had that big run yet to
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  where he gets that one hundred and twenty five one
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  hundred and fifty yard. But I thought they did a
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  good job in the run game yesterday, not.
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  Speaker 3: The Eagles running or the Chiefs against the running game.
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  Speaker 1: No, I thought the Eagles up front did a good job,
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  and then you know, it was just more than Barkley
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  couldn't get that second level bust one open.
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  Speaker 2: That's where he generally gets you.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, twenty two carries for eighty eight yards,
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  I thought, you know, for the most part, you know,
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  they did a good job running the ball.
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  Speaker 2: He just didn't get the big play.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's true. I think the Chiefs do a couple
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  of things really well. They set the edge very well,
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  and they don't let Barkley get to the outside too often.
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  If he did, he kind of had a fight and
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  scratching claw and stiff armed to get some extra yards.
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  And so they so safe. One had his fair share
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  of three four or five six yard runs and you know,
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  obviously had a nice thirteen yard touchdown run that was
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  interestingly schemed, I'll say, because of the way they he's
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  Kylan Granson on it. But otherwise, uh, you know, yeah,
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  the Eagles ran the ball deliberately. They just get the
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  explosives and the Chiefs were the Chiefs played a lot
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  of two shell defense, like on first and second down.
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  They were obviously not going to let the Eagles throw
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  over the top of the defense early and they were
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  willing to allow some of those some of those medium
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  runs to sake on and let them move the ball
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  that way. But they were they were also really good,
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  good tackling and wrapped up well and just didn't let
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  them get that second.
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  Speaker 1: Year well and Jeff Boches with US Football at four
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  and you know, it felt like we're gonna talk about
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  the defense and how Vic Fangio really had a really
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  good game plan a lot different from the one before.
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  You did see a lot of pressure, but it almost
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  felt like the Eagles were so conservative on the offensive
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  side of the ball because they didn't really fear Kansas
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  City's offense.
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  Speaker 3: Conservative is tough. I mean, I think he gets forced
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  into being a certain way based on the defense. Right,
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  you take what the defense camps. If they're gonna play
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  two safeties deep and not let you beat him over
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  the top on first and second down, and then you're
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  gonna run, then you're gonna hit the middle, which they
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  tried to do. And then when they do come at
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  you and blitz, then you want to go deep. And
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  they did, you know three for at least four or
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  five times all just that only one connected and that's
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  kind of how Kansas City plays defense. They force you
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  out of your comfort zone. They don't let you just
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  sit in the pocket. Pick him apart. I mean, Steve
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  st I go. There's so many zero blitzes at the
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  Eagles offense, and that speeds up the clock. So while
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  Jald Hurt is really good at those one on one
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  balls on the outside of the numbers, he's also good
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  at it. Usually when the defense wants to blitz and
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  it's picked up, it's like five five man rush and
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  their offensive line picks it up and he can just
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  step in and throw. But this time yesterday, he had
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  guys in the space while he was trying to step
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  in and throw. And that's that's all all right.
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  Speaker 1: Uh you look at it, by the way, no godd
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  or yesterday. Did you think that affected the offense?
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it is, even though they've won
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  games without it before and get put it again. I
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  think when we talked about maybe that that lack of
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  a second burst I Saiquan or that second opening where
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  he can really put on the jets, it's maybe because
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  they just don't have the same kind of you know,
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  blocking guy on the line as they do when Goddard's
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  in so they played a lot of twelve personnel and
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  Grant Calcaterra and Kylin Granson with a tight end. But
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  on It's funny because Nick singled out one of these
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  good blocks that that grandson put on on the on
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  the edge on a swing pass. But for the most
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  part they would use grantson like as a motion tight
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  end to take a defender out of the box and
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  then run the opposite way. So really they use them
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  as a deep point of.
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  Speaker 4: Lighten about I don't know, I say lighten it, but
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  to get one guy or one extra guy out of
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  the box. But basically that wasn't asking grandson to block
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  anybody because there's really not that much of a blocker,
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  so they kind of had to get by with what.
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  Speaker 3: They had, uh, and they were able to. They ran honestly,
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  like you said, you know, they ran well. It just
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  they didn't run superbly and you didn't get that home
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  run run that you normally get from Saquon. But the
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  average per carry was decent enough, and usually that's what
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  Saquon is anyway. Most of his runs are like that.
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  It's just that they're always waited the end result. The
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  last number is always waited by that fifty five yarder
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  or seventy five yarder that he used to rip off,
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  especially in the second half. That's where he was really
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  golden last year, and it just didn't have that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I mean I thought they ran the
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  ball solidly. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we got about four point two somewhere in
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  that range. And then normally the big difference is he
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  makes a guy miss or he just bust one for
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  fifty sixty yards and that's kind of changes the complexion
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  of his yardage and his average.
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  Speaker 2: But twenty two for eighty eight, they kept the change going.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, they twisted seven times, so that brings your
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  average down there. But I thought for the most part,
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  they ran the ball well. But I thought, really, do
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  you think the deep is ahead of where you thought
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  it would be?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know what to expect. I was
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  wrestling with it coming out of camp and into the
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  regular season, because you know, obviously we were all wondering
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  how this defense would be having to replace all the starters,
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  but we were also wrestling with the idea, well, the
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  guys that you were replacing with were pretty integral last
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  year in the team, as rotational pieces, and you've got
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  guys like Jordan Davis and the new physique and everything,
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  and the young rookie defensive back. So the second year
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  d back to where all hot pickticks. But it's not
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  going to be good. So I don't know, especially ahead,
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  I would just say after two weeks, it's done a
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  really nice job of playing sound defensive football. The linebackers
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  and been exploint. The playmaking like Macoba come up with
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  that pick have been really good. H And that's that's
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  what you need, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listen, you know, I think a lot of
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  people had questions about the defense you going up against
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  the Chiefs team that obviously the big play guys. But
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  that was probably one of the worst days that Patrick
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  Mahomes has had and one of the worst that he
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  has ever looked. I mean, they just looked confused. He
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  just could not get into any rhythm yesterday. And I
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  guess you know, you take a look at what Vic
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  Fangio did. He didn't respect them at all, so he
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  set the house at him because he didn't think that
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  anybody could get behind you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny. The Chiefs, well, we know
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  Andy Reid, he does not like to keep guys in
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  very often in Patty wants five outlets, and they've been
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  great that way because Mahomes was so good at getting
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  the ball to anyone, like buying time. But because of
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  those blitzes that Vick was throwing, many of them, he
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  either got a free rusher because he broke down the
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  protection scheme or he just sent one more than the
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  Chiefs could block because they didn't keep Kareem Hunt or
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  Pacheco in for past pro And so now it's on
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  Pastrick Mahomes get rid of the ball. And I thought
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  it's a big thing in that game yesterday. You can
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  go you know you watch all players too. Is Yeah,
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  there were guys open, and he was just get threw high,
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  he threw wide, he threw not with his feet planted.
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  I mean he's patched from home. So there were a
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  bunch of plays that he made that were incredible as well,
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  but you could just tell that he was not comfortable
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  because he had to throw the ball faster than he
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  wanted to, which any quarterback has to do if you
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  got pretty much coming at you.
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  Speaker 1: And Jeff there were plays to be made too, I
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  mean he obviously missed the one where Dori Jackson collided
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  with somebody. I mean that George's running away. He had
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  plays to make and he did not make them yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: And this is football. Like you know, the Chiefs. Everybody
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  could say, and I'm hearing a lot of this, like
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  bury them, they're done, They're not the same. I'm like,
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  you know, Travis Kelsey doesn't really drop too many balls.
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  He dropped one that just amazingly happened to go into
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  the safety's hands and get return or off. That's a
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  touchdown that they're ahead. You know, the one that Forton
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  was overthrown, that would have been a touch And I
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  mean it's not like the Chiefs didn't have an opportunity
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  to win this game where they were just from start
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  to finish. So that's football. It's usually those five or
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  six players that one team makes and one team doesn't.
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  That separates the good. You know, why one team wins
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  and why one team doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get your thoughts on what Zadarius Smith added
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  to the team and what he'll bring to the team.
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  Does he is this a signing Now that you have
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  a better feel of what he'll bring and what he
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  could do.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you got to be pretty impressed,
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  and he just arrived, you know, in the week leading up,
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  only had a few practices with the Eagles, and he's
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  out there not only you know, providing like a rotational
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  edge rusher, but there are like two or three run
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  stops that he had that were really impressive. He was
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  a jolt of energy for the team and he's a
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  good player. And it's gonna, I'm a feeling it's gonna
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  be one of those things where six or seven weeks
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  from now, people are gonna say, what why did the
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  rest of the NFL that a guy with this resume
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  get to the Philadelphia Eagles. But the problem is, it's
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  not like the draft. It's not like this team bypassed him.
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  He clearly, I think he said it. He was kind
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  of like waiting around, being very you know, Velias had interest,
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  he was kind of being decisive, and then finally he
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  was just waiting for Philadelphia to pick up the phone.
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  And it sounds like he wants, you know, to get
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  a ring and to join a good team like that.
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  So it kind of that's the beauty of having good culture,
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  good reputation, so that people want to come play with you,
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  so that damn. When they made the phone call, He's like, yeah,
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  let's do.
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  Speaker 2: It, let's do it right. And he had a factor yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Did get in on that sack with Andrew mccooba, who
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  had a half a sack, or you want to say
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  that he was the main guy there, but he also
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  had that big interception and he had the plays in
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  the preseason. It's circumstantial, but he seems to be around
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  the ball all the time.
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  Speaker 3: He does. That's why he was and I wrote this
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  my observation story. I think it's it's ordinarily pretty tough
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  to get on the field for VIC Fanrew if you
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  miss a lot of time, if you're a rookie and
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  you miss a lot of time in training camp for
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  preseason because of injury, because you have so much to learn.
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  But the beauty of Andrew mccouba was that he was
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  such a good fit for Vic's defense from the start
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  because of his playmaking ability, because of his intelligence, because
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  he's played a hybrid role as a nickel in college before,
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  so he has the understand He just like you said,
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  he knows where to be at the right time so far,
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  and he can even overcome bad place. It's not like
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  he had a perfect game. He had a bad defensive
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  holding that negated a sack. I mean he got prucked
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  by Patrick Mahomes on an eleven yard run when Molme's
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  low and his shoulder into him. He had another that
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  you know, the Travis Kelsey one hand to grab where
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  he's holding the ball out like a loaf of breads.
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  You see mccuba traps on his just trying to bring
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  him down, and it felt like it was kind of
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  a rough game at that point for him, and then
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  he came through with a really big play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that obviously. You know last year you
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  had a guy like Chauncy Garner Johnson with the six interceptions.
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  Well you got a guy in mccomba. Now he has
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  an interception. He also had a game where uh sweat.
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  You know last year you're replacing that, Well you get
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  a sacked from Zadarias Smith. So the two replacement guys
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  they come up in this game. And the other guy
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  was at Jomo. You know, Milton Williams had a big
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  day in the Super Bowl against them. You know, where
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  are you getting that replacing that production? Well, yesterday Ojomo
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  not only at the sack, I thought he played on
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  the other side of the line a lot yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So the interesting thing was while I was watching
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  the tape was that they when the Chiefs had the
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  ball and it was third down the first time, first
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  drive for the Chiefs had a couple of third downs,
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  it was Jordan Davis who was up first in the
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  four man rush next to Jaylen Carter. Which, Hey, the
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  coaches have said they believe in this guy. A good
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  game against the Cowboys. They really believe he's coming into
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  his own as a pass rusher. We're not saying that
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  he's Larren Staff, but they just believe that he's really
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  improving and starting to push the pots there. And you've
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  seen examples of it. And he got the first opportunities
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  on the first It's like hockey. I called the number
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  one four man rush line and then later it was
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  a Jomo and I thought this game with Jomo was
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  the more disruptive player next to Jaalen Carter on that
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  on the second format, whatever foreman rush line do you
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  want to call it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what you know.
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  Speaker 1: The defense yesterday, you know you're on the road, you're
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  playing as a team that knows that you know it's
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  basically throwing everything they can at you, and they just
• 18:25
  had every answer, it seemed like, and another guy.
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  Speaker 2: That's you know you look at.
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  Speaker 1: I know Mitchell got beat on the throw late in
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  that game, but I thought he was excellent yesterday for
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  the most part. I mean, he broke up everything he
• 18:39
  saw his speed. So if you had any questions or
• 18:41
  whether Quinnion Mitchell was gonna take a step back these
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  first two weeks, he's kind of shown that, you know,
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  he's only building off of that rookie.
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  Speaker 3: Year, yeah, I would say so. I think Cooper de
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  Gene also had a really good game. He made some
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  really important stops from the Nickel spot that solidifies live
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  vic or straights. Why Vick wants him there so badly
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  and is really reluctant to move him, and it's trying
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  to live with what he's got at the corner opposite
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  Quinya Mitchell. So when you have mccouba playing well, when
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  you have Cooper and Gen playing well, Quinnya Mitchell playing well, Yeah,
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  if you're about three sisters of your your secondary since
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  there and Nicol so much, that's only you can ask for, really,
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  And it's not like Reed Blanketship was playing bad and
• 19:23
  that though a Dori Jackson played a little bit better
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  obviously than he didn't have to defend Ceedee Lamb this time,
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  but he played a little bit better. Now you got
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  you got the two guys from the Rams coming to
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  town on Sunday, so we might have to be having
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  a different discussion about Dorrie Jackson, you know, this time
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  next Monday.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair to say.
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  Speaker 1: Last thing, Adam Shepter says this game was won in
• 19:45
  March when they did not vote the Tush push out. Obviously,
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  it was a big topic during the press conference today.
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  I imagine that Nick is trying to say, like kind
• 19:56
  of taking this personal a little bit, that they're saying
• 19:58
  you only won the game because of that play.
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  Speaker 3: You're really he said that, he said they won this game.
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  Speaker 2: Though that's what that's what Adam Schefter said.
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  Speaker 3: He said this game was Schefter said that, wow, interesting,
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  you know, pull bit of hyperbole. I mean, I like
• 20:16
  Adam he does, he's great at what he does. But
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  I think that that is assuming that the Eagles would
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  not be a good conventional QB sneak team, when I
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  wouldn't make that assumption because part of the beauty of
• 20:32
  the tush pushing itself is that demon Hurst always goes behind,
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  left behind the three hundred and forty five, three hundred
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  and fifty pounds left guard and the three hundred forty
• 20:41
  five three fifty pound left tackle, and he himself is
• 20:45
  squat six hundred pounds. So I'm not You can't convince
• 20:48
  me that they couldn't just pick up these yards, you know,
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  with a conventional QB sneak as well.
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  Speaker 1: Which is the sense of what Nick was saying today.
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  You know, we have a lot of things that we
• 20:57
  could do, but you know, we don't know. We'll see
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  those other things. We see this play seven times. They
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  ran it yesterday and it helped them get a win
• 21:06
  twenty to seventeen over the Chiefs. The Eagles are two
• 21:09
  and zero, the Chiefs are zero and two. It's on
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  to La to take on. Actually, the game is here
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  in Philadelphia, and of course you could listen to it
• 21:17
  right here on ninety seven three ESPN. The Inside the
• 21:19
  Birds guys have plenty more on it. Check out the
• 21:21
  Inside of the Birds podcast. Mosher is back on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks man, you got it.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to Wednesdays