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Steve Price | 24 May · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price. Good evening, Great to be
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Speaker 1: back with you on this Friday night, as we look
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Speaker 1: back on two years of the Alban Eazy labor government,
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Speaker 1: with Australia sadly as divided as I've ever seen it,
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Speaker 1: divided along religious lines, divided over immigration, divided on what
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Speaker 1: to do to keep the lights on. Even more on
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Speaker 1: that in just a second. Coming up tonight on the program,
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Speaker 1: though a personal story, a dear friend of mine has
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Speaker 1: been diagnosed with Mode and your Own disease, a condition
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Speaker 1: commonly labeled as the Beast. The AFL's annual Big Freeze
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Speaker 1: fundraiser for mnd's coming up and will be joined by
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Speaker 1: Beck Danaher, daughter of the great Neil Danaher, whose fight
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Speaker 1: with MND has seen him raise millions and millions of dollars.
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Speaker 1: Also tonight, Australia's leading investigative podcast creator Headley Thomas has
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Speaker 1: today in the Australian Newspaper dropped his latest explosive investigation, Bronman,
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of thirty one year old New South Wales
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Speaker 1: mother Ronwyn Winfield. Hedley Thomas have joined us as well
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Speaker 1: this evening and Friday regular Australia's number one cartoonist, the
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Speaker 1: Great Mark Knight, on how he saw this week's debate
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Speaker 1: around nuclear energy and immigration. But first, as I mentioned Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: this week marked the second anniversary of the election of
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Speaker 1: the Albanezy Labor government May the twenty first, twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 1: two years on. The Prime Minister released a speech overnight
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Speaker 1: that he delivered today to a forum in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 1: He told the audience at the Western Sydney Leadership Dialogue
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Speaker 1: that he feels the pain of Australians battling cost of
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Speaker 1: living pressures. He played again the kid from Public Housing card,
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Speaker 1: saying he hasn't forgotten what it's like to struggle and strive.
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Speaker 1: A bit rich coming from a bloke who's been living
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Speaker 1: off the Australian taxpayer for the last thirty eight years.
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Speaker 1: Albertiez was elected in nineteen ninety six and when he
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Speaker 1: retires he will be eligible for a massive handsome Politicians
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Speaker 1: Superannuation pension tax free for the rest of his life.
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Speaker 1: Struggle and strife can't be too hard, living at the
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Speaker 1: Lodge in Canberra and Kiribilly House on Sydney Harbor, never
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Speaker 1: having to pay for electricity or gas, or petrol, home insurance,
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Speaker 1: car regio or even groceries. Two years on, I think
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Speaker 1: we are all over the I grew up in public
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Speaker 1: housing spiel. Yes, Anthony, your mum did a great job
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Speaker 1: raising you as a single mother. But I know plenty
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Speaker 1: of single mothers who've done it tough, and most of
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Speaker 1: them don't feel the need to keep reminding me. I
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Speaker 1: went back this week and I looked at the election
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Speaker 1: night victory speech from the new Prime Minister. It's on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: You should catch it. It hasn't aged well. To be fair,
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanze could not have predicted the October seven terrorist
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Speaker 1: attack on Israel last year. But in that speech, Anthony
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Speaker 1: Albaneze he told the adoring audience, I want to bring
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Speaker 1: Australia together to promote opportunity and optimism, not fear and division.
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Speaker 1: Two years on, I'm prepared to declare tonight I haven't
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Speaker 1: seen Australia as divided today as I ever have in
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Speaker 1: my entire lifetime. I'm old enough to remember the closing
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Speaker 1: days of the division the Vietnam War created, and I
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Speaker 1: was on air on radio in Sydney when the Cronulla
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Speaker 1: riots happened this is worse. This network will put to
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Speaker 1: where Next Tuesday Night, a documentary fronted by former Coalition
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Speaker 1: Treasurer Josh Friedenberg, a proud Australian Jew in promotion vision,
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Speaker 1: we see Josh in tears. Australia's been swamped with an
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Speaker 1: outbreak of vicious anti Semitism which is getting worse, not better,
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Speaker 1: and yet the blocu tea years ago vowed to bring
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Speaker 1: Australia together can't even bring himself to slam. The international
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Speaker 1: criminal courts announced intention to seek arrest Warran for Israel's
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin Nett and Yahoo for war crimes. If
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Speaker 1: that happens, Net and you are HU, if he were
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Speaker 1: to travel to Australia, we would be forced to arrest him.
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Speaker 1: The wobbly, waffling excuse from our Prime Minister when asked
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Speaker 1: this week about this, was just planned embarrassing. It has
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Speaker 1: got to the point where there is no longer any
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Speaker 1: doubt about whether Albanezy is a leader, let alone the
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Speaker 1: strong leader you need in these fractious times. He is weak.
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Speaker 1: It pains me to say it, but he is. He's
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Speaker 1: captured by his past, the radical Left University days, his
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Speaker 1: role on Labour's hard left and his panic about losing
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Speaker 1: in the city seats in Sydney and Melbourne to the Greens.
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Speaker 1: If he sides with Israel to vocally as it defends
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Speaker 1: itself against a terrorist attack, he risks alienating all those
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Speaker 1: university students covering their faces in Arab scarves and shouting
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Speaker 1: from the river to the sea. So what does he
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Speaker 1: do with his two year anniversary speech. Well, the same
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Speaker 1: bloke are two years ago called for unity to bring
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Speaker 1: Australia together. What does he do? He tacks Peter It
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Speaker 1: calls Dutton an anti business wrecker focused on political self interest,
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Speaker 1: talk about Kettel Black. He says the Coalition say no
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Speaker 1: to everything which builds nothing, helps no one and takes
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Speaker 1: our country nowhere. Hardly a speech of inspiration, bringing the
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Speaker 1: country together. And what about his first promise two years ago?
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Speaker 1: Right off the bat, the very first promise he made,
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Speaker 1: he said, I will implement the Ularu's Statement from the
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Speaker 1: Heart in full, starting of course with the division, divisive
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Speaker 1: Australian Voice referendum. And what did he say about Indigenous Australians,
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Speaker 1: the Voice referendum, Indigenous poverty, Indigenous health outcomes today? Well,
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Speaker 1: in the version of the speech released overnight and I've
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Speaker 1: now watched it today. He said a big fat nothing.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in our Friday regular former Queensland Premier Campbell
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Speaker 1: Newman now Campbell this week, not two years of Anthony
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Speaker 1: Albanese is Prime Minister. You just heard what I thought.
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Speaker 1: Am I being too tough on him?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 3: I don't think you are, mate, And I'm really bitterly
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Speaker 3: disappointed because going back to surround about two thousand and seven,
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Speaker 3: two thousand and eight as a former Lord Mayor of Brisbane,
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Speaker 3: I actually had a good working relationship with Anthony Albanese
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Speaker 3: and I.
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Speaker 2: Got to say I didn't see this.
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Speaker 3: My wife had a different view, by the way, it's
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Speaker 3: always stuck in her crawl that night where he sort
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Speaker 3: of wild about the in fighting about the Labor Party
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Speaker 3: in staid, I just want to fight Tories and sadly
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Speaker 3: that's what we've seen as Prime Minister. The guy who
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Speaker 3: said he wouldn't touch super has embarked on some terrible
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Speaker 3: changes the super, particularly grossly unfair changes.
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Speaker 4: That essentially he said he wouldn't do.
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Speaker 3: Where they're going to tax people on unrealized gains. You
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Speaker 3: talked about the voice, they're doing things. They say they
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Speaker 3: want manufacturing in Australia, but you know, extremely high energy costs,
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Speaker 3: red tape, and bureaucracy around approvals, and I are changes
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Speaker 3: that take us back to the nineteen fifties and sixties.
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Speaker 3: Plus this constant mantra about class warfare about bosses versus
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Speaker 3: struggling workers, and it's.
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Speaker 4: This is twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: You know, thirty percent of the Australian community actually have
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Speaker 3: tertiary qualifications. Don't you think, Steve, we're past all that
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Speaker 3: sort of nonsense. The big industry superfunds actually invest retirement
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Speaker 3: savings of Australia's and need big companies to make solid
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Speaker 3: profits to provide for retirement. But this guy wants to
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Speaker 3: sort of pretend that we are living in some sort
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Speaker 3: of pre pre sort of welfare state times where the
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Speaker 3: bosses got rich and the work has suffered. And by
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Speaker 3: the way, we've got extremely high tax takes now coming
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Speaker 3: out of the federal government. Australia's have a tax burden
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Speaker 3: that is the highest that it's been for many, many years,
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Speaker 3: and nothing in sight to deal with that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you and I've seen a lot of prime
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Speaker 1: ministers come and go, and some grow into the job.
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Speaker 1: You know, they get elected, sometimes accidentally become prime minister
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Speaker 1: through an internal leadership challenge, and they grow into a job.
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't see him growing into the job.
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Speaker 1: I mean he's shrinking in the job. I mean, I've
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Speaker 1: known Anthony Alberenezi for a long time. I once went
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Speaker 1: out and had a very long and liquid lunch with him,
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Speaker 1: which was very pleasant. I've interviewed him dozens of times,
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Speaker 1: but he seems to at the moment he's lost confidence.
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Speaker 1: And when the prime minister loses confidence, the country loses confidence.
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Speaker 1: He's not strong on anti Semitism at all. I think
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Speaker 1: he's left leanings have captured him there. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: is real worry. Well, I think it is.
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Speaker 3: And you sort of mentioned before his student activist background,
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Speaker 3: and you know, to go out and give a speech
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Speaker 3: in the way that he did in the last twenty
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Speaker 3: four hours, I think sets up a quite difficult to
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Speaker 3: compare and contrast for him. I mean, Peter Dutton's not perfect.
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Speaker 3: No political figure is. But on the one hand, you've
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Speaker 3: got Peter Dutton, a solid family man, an ex copper
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Speaker 3: who's a straight as a die, who you know exactly
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Speaker 3: what he stands for. You might not like it, but
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Speaker 3: you know what he stands for, and you know that
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Speaker 3: he's going to be a guy who wants to protect
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Speaker 3: the less well off in the community and particularly those
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Speaker 3: who can't defend themselves. As an ex copper, that's his
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Speaker 3: ethos versus Albo who is channeling.
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Speaker 4: He's in a university student from sort of nineteen seventy nine,
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Speaker 4: ninety eight, nineteen eighty one.
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Speaker 3: Where you know, he's got all these people and this
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Speaker 3: sort of left wing philosophy that he just can't escape from.
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Speaker 3: And that's the problem on this whole thing with Addie,
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Speaker 3: senatorsm and what we're seeing from sections of the Islamic
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Speaker 3: community where he cannot say no. I mean, why can't
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister say, and you talked about this before,
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Speaker 3: why can't the Prime Minister say that people who turn
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Speaker 3: up and encamp themselves and university campuses, who cover their
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Speaker 3: faces and scream and shout and intimidate and interrupt classes,
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Speaker 3: why can't he call that out? The reason he can't
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Speaker 3: is there the sons and daughters of his friends and
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Speaker 3: of his indeed he's Green opponents. He can't say it.
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Speaker 3: He can't bring himself to actually say they're wrong. He
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Speaker 3: can't bring himself to say that they're cowards. He can't
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Speaker 3: bring themselves to say, for example, that they should be
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Speaker 3: expelled from the Union movement, or should they should be expelled.
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Speaker 4: From the ALP.
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Speaker 1: So what he does is he resorts to bagging Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 1: Let's have a quick listen to what he had to
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Speaker 1: say today.
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Speaker 5: We've seen what happens when the only tests of politicians
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Speaker 5: apply is their political self interest. We saw it with
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Speaker 5: the former PM and we're seeing it with the current
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Speaker 5: opposition leader. Saying no to everything is the easiest thing
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Speaker 5: to do in opposition, but it builds nothing, it helps
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Speaker 5: no one, and it takes our country.
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Speaker 1: Nowhere hardly inspiring. Is that going to make you jump
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Speaker 1: out out of a trench and defend your country? I
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Speaker 1: don't think so.
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Speaker 4: Well, well, well it's not.
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Speaker 3: And you know, frankly, when he starts talking about division
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Speaker 3: and you know, sort of saying no, I mean, you know,
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Speaker 3: he should look in the mirror and he should go
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Speaker 3: back and have a look at the some of the
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Speaker 3: things he was saying prior to May twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the hypocrisy's blatant.
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Speaker 3: But the thing is if you're the leader of the
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Speaker 3: country or the premiere of the state and you start
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Speaker 3: talking about your opponent, you really are in trouble.
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Speaker 4: You are moaning.
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Speaker 3: Yourself and the role, and it shows that you're quite desperate.
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Speaker 4: You should be above all that.
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Speaker 3: You know, what we need from our political leaders is
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Speaker 3: a vision, our plan and confidence to take the country,
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Speaker 3: or the state, or the or the Act or the
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Speaker 3: Northern Territory forward.
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Speaker 4: That's what we need. People are crying out for it.
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Speaker 3: And we don't want radical change by the way, which
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Speaker 3: we've been getting from this mob.
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Speaker 4: We want stability. We want to know what we're getting.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, that's a message for David Chris
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Speaker 3: of Foley, the LNP leader, who needs to tell us.
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Speaker 4: I've said this before in this show. He needs to.
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Speaker 3: Tell us so I can segue that from ut mate.
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Speaker 3: He needs to tell the queens and community what he
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Speaker 3: would do. If he tells us straight what he will do,
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Speaker 3: he'll be rewarded at the ballot box. I'd be confident
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Speaker 3: about that, and so will Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to Ted O'Brian up next about
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Speaker 1: nuclear but I want to get your opinion on this
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Speaker 1: because I can't quite work it out. We've had two
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Speaker 1: state administrations this week. New South Wales has said that
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Speaker 1: nuclear is not going to work here. You've had the
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Speaker 1: premiere of Victoria, de Cinda Allen, calling nuclear toxic. It's
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Speaker 1: never going to happen on my watch. It can't happen
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Speaker 1: in Victoria. Can a state premier and a state government
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Speaker 1: prevent a federal government from constructing a nuclear power plant
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Speaker 1: in a state?
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Speaker 3: Well, look, that's a really interesting question. I would, as
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Speaker 3: a going in positions, suggests that they can. But how
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Speaker 3: unfortunate would that be? And what sort of delusion do
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Speaker 3: we have amongst some people in politics today that they
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Speaker 3: cannot bring themselves to look at this option, and they
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Speaker 3: keep carrying on about it doesn't stack up. That's not
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Speaker 3: the question that's really been asked of government. Mar The
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Speaker 3: question is really been repeal the ban, allow at least
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Speaker 3: for it to be looked at.
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Speaker 4: And it really.
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Speaker 3: Stresses me greatly that you have people in high office
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Speaker 3: who seem to want to pretend that in multiple Western countries,
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Speaker 3: affluent countries, Canada, the United States, Finland, France, the United
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Speaker 3: Kingdom all have nuclear power, and we have places like
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Speaker 3: the United Arab Emirates and other countries in the world
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Speaker 3: that are building reactors, because whether you believe in the
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Speaker 3: climate change thing or not, I happen to think it's
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Speaker 3: a load of bologney these days. We can do a
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Speaker 3: show on that together. But whether you believe it or not,
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Speaker 3: at least it is zero carbon emissions and it's reliable
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Speaker 3: baseload fat power. And by the way, in terms of
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Speaker 3: that CSIRO report that came out this week, what curious
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Speaker 3: timing and frankly, what a load of bologney that bring
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Speaker 3: no credit on that organization, another organization that is now
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Speaker 3: engaged in politics as opposed to telling Australians straight answers
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Speaker 3: about nuclear.
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Speaker 4: If nuclear didn't.
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Speaker 3: Stack up, why are all these OECD countries quite happy
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Speaker 3: to build new plants?
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Speaker 6: Right?
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Speaker 1: Came when you, as usual, thank you very much, get
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Speaker 1: into the energy debate. Now it's been in the news
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Speaker 1: this week obviously after the New South Wales government did
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Speaker 1: a deal with Origin Energy to keep the Eraring POWERstation
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Speaker 1: coal fired power station open for at least another two years. Now,
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Speaker 1: our New South Wales Premier Chris men says that saving
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Speaker 1: a Rearing was the only way to go and this
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Speaker 1: scares everyone to keep the lights on. Joining me now
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Speaker 1: to discuss that development and the brutal cross party debate
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Speaker 1: around nuclear energy is shadow energy spokesman Ted O'Brien, Ted,
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Speaker 1: good to see you again. It seems Labour's green dreamers
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Speaker 1: starting to hit the fan here. We've got blackouts forecast
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Speaker 1: in Australia's two biggest markets, Sydney and Melbourne. Potentially are
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Speaker 1: they going to wake up eventually that they are not
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Speaker 1: in a place to do what they want to do.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 7: I think they've had a bit of a wake up
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Speaker 7: call this week, not just with the announcement from the
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Speaker 7: market operator Steve saying the lights go out by summer,
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Speaker 7: but New South waleses Labor has been mugged by reality.
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Speaker 7: They've had to extend the Aarhing coal plant because they
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Speaker 7: know full well that if you take a twenty four
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Speaker 7: to seven baseload power plant out of the system, well,
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Speaker 7: the lights are going to go out. They might admit
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Speaker 7: it as much, especially Chris Bowen and Anthony Albernezi. They'll
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Speaker 7: keep selling the green dream even though they know for
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Speaker 7: a fact that if you keep taking out baseload power
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Speaker 7: stations that the lights are going to go out. I
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Speaker 7: mean the stat by the way, Steve, is ninety percent
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Speaker 7: of our baseload power is to exit the grid in
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Speaker 7: a decade. That's lights out.
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Speaker 1: And I was listening to talk back radio today Ted
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Speaker 1: and the presenter looked up one of those apps on
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Speaker 1: his phone about where Victoria was getting its energy from
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Speaker 1: today and total of it was eighty two percent was
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Speaker 1: either coal fired power or it was coming from gas. Now,
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Speaker 1: the Victorian government they want to shut coal fired power
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Speaker 1: stations as well, and they don't even want to search
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Speaker 1: for gas. I mean, that's just complete madness.
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Speaker 7: It is complete madness. So if you think, okay, ninety
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Speaker 7: base load out of the grid ten years and at
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Speaker 7: the exact same time, to go to your point, we
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Speaker 7: have a massive depletion of gas. Meanwhile, well, what's happening
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Speaker 7: to renewables. The rollout has stalled and that is why
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Speaker 7: we are seeing a forecast. We're just running out of energy.
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Speaker 7: So the lights will have to go out, and that's
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Speaker 7: why companies are being told already now that comes summer,
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Speaker 7: can you please have fewer shifts? Can it be sort
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Speaker 7: of tools down? Please don't keep producing things, because if
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Speaker 7: you do well, homes can't have lights, and that's why
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Speaker 7: you've got the new South Wales government extending a coal plant.
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Speaker 1: I pleased to raise targets. I keep going back to
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Speaker 1: the numbers because I think we've got to talk about
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Speaker 1: reality now, because this is not far off in the distance,
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Speaker 1: some way down the road. The one that stands out
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Speaker 1: for me, Ted, I'd be interested in your view on this.
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Speaker 1: Eighty five percent renewable energy in Australia by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 1: That's five and a half years away. That's not very far.
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Speaker 7: They're not going to reach their targets. That they're just
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Speaker 7: not and you know, when you have the renewable lobby
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Speaker 7: themselves saying this is running at best at half pace,
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Speaker 7: it's clear they're not going to reach their targets. And
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Speaker 7: this is the problem with them coming forward and trying to,
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Speaker 7: you know, put this idea of eighty two percent renewables
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Speaker 7: on the grid by twenty thirty, and that equates to
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Speaker 7: twenty thousand solar panels installed every day, forty win turbines
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Speaker 7: every month. Up to twenty eight thousand kilometers of transmission
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Speaker 7: lines will have to be delivered for labor to deliver
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Speaker 7: on this renewable superpowered dream it will not happen.
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Speaker 1: You just open. An adult at some point is going
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Speaker 1: to stand up in cabinet and say, listen, guys, we're
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Speaker 1: never going to get there. I want to talk nuclear
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Speaker 1: energy as well. It's been huge in the news this
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Speaker 1: week with a number of announcements. What did you make
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Speaker 1: ted of the CSIRO's report that said, I clear would
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Speaker 1: be too costly and too slow. I saw you with
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Speaker 1: Chris Kenny last night. You made the point that they
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Speaker 1: were using figures based on a much larger nuclear plant
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Speaker 1: than that is the CSIRO. Would they be on board
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Speaker 1: with you if you were elected, you believe Look who knows.
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Speaker 7: I'll let the CSIRO speak for themselves, Steve. But the
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Speaker 7: report they came out with during the week, they themselves
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Speaker 7: say that report is for investors who want to make
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Speaker 7: a buck. When it comes to public policy, you have
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Speaker 7: to be looking after consumers who want to save a buck.
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Speaker 7: When it came to their estimates of energy, those estimates
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Speaker 7: changed enormously from only where they were a few weeks ago.
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Speaker 7: Some parts of the estimates are fine, you know, the
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Speaker 7: capital cost on a kill basis, that was okay. But
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Speaker 7: they had these crazy ideas that a nuclear plant lasts
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Speaker 7: for thirty years. These plants are licensed for up to
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Speaker 7: eighty years, probably going to be extended to one hundred years.
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Speaker 7: These sort of estimates are crazy. They also are assuming
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Speaker 7: that at times nuclear power plants might only operate half the.
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Speaker 1: Time or just over.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this is a twenty four to seven baseload
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Speaker 7: power system, that's what it offers, which is why we
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Speaker 7: talk in the coalition about a balanced mix of technologies.
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Speaker 1: Will we have renewables, of course we will do.
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Speaker 7: We need more gas absolutely, and as coal eventually does
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Speaker 7: exit the system, well it needs to be replaced with
20:54
Speaker 7: a similar twenty four to seven base load power source.
20:58
Speaker 7: And there's a net zero one out there nuclear thirty
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Speaker 7: three economies use it right now, another fifty I wanted
21:03
Speaker 7: to use it for the very first time here at Australia.
21:06
Speaker 7: It remains illegal. Albanese is in denial. His head's in
21:10
Speaker 7: the sand and we're all paying the price, while the.
21:14
Speaker 1: State government's head are in the sand as well. Have
21:17
Speaker 1: a look at the reaction from a couple of state
21:19
Speaker 1: labor governments Victoria in New South Wales, and I'll get
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Speaker 1: your reaction. How I goodness, nuclear is an option.
21:27
Speaker 8: I think it's a bad option.
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Speaker 9: It will take too long, it will cost too much money.
21:31
Speaker 9: My view is that it's actually a fantasy.
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Speaker 10: Nuclear energy will never be part of the mix here
21:36
Speaker 10: under a Victorian labor government. I want to send this
21:40
Speaker 10: message to the communities of Anglesea and the Latoe Valley
21:44
Speaker 10: that me and my government will stand with those communities
21:47
Speaker 10: against a federal liberal national coalition who want to bring toxic, risky,
21:54
Speaker 10: expensive nuclear power plants into their backyard.
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Speaker 1: In premiere for a star Teed's got to start you
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Speaker 1: referencing Angle See, it's never going to go there. The
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Speaker 1: old power plant there has been decommissioned, the power line
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Speaker 1: to gone. Does the federal government, this is my question
22:12
Speaker 1: for you have the power to override state refusals to
22:16
Speaker 1: build a nuclear reactor in their state, surely and have
22:20
Speaker 1: to be considered an essential service of national importance? Can
22:23
Speaker 1: you do that?
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Speaker 7: Look that there's a lot in this Steve can I
22:30
Speaker 7: say you're right about Anglesey by the way, typical labor
22:35
Speaker 7: that was ruled out by Peter Dutton last year on
22:37
Speaker 7: technical grounds that'll never even be considered. But look when
22:42
Speaker 7: it comes to state premiers who are out there saying
22:45
Speaker 7: we don't like the coalition policy.
22:48
Speaker 4: Does it tell you everything.
22:50
Speaker 7: We haven't even released the policy and they're already out
22:53
Speaker 7: there saying we don't know what's in it, but we
22:56
Speaker 7: don't like it. By the way, the lights are going
22:58
Speaker 7: to go out, we're going to have more coal. So
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Speaker 7: you know when it comes to especially in New South
23:02
Speaker 7: Wales this week, they have a choice to make. If
23:07
Speaker 7: they want to keep the lights on, they need twenty
23:09
Speaker 7: four to seven power. So what's it going to be, folks,
23:12
Speaker 7: what's the future going to be come twenty fifty. Is
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Speaker 7: it coal indefinitely or is it zero missions nuclear energy?
23:18
Speaker 7: Answer that question, because this week they have conceded you
23:22
Speaker 7: need twenty four to seven base load power. As for Victoria,
23:26
Speaker 7: I don't want to be rude because I love Victorians.
23:28
Speaker 7: I was in Melbourne today actually this morning, but I
23:32
Speaker 7: tell you what the government is doing. There is absolute
23:35
Speaker 7: madness to completely suffocate gas. It is destroying that economy.
23:43
Speaker 7: It is so sad. I think only a change of
23:46
Speaker 7: government is probably going to do the trick in Victoria
23:48
Speaker 7: at this rate.
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Speaker 1: Well, Ted, I mean once the lights start flickering and
23:54
Speaker 1: Labour sees the votes going south at a rapid rate,
23:58
Speaker 1: I think they might be encouraged changed their mind. Ted O'Brien,
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Speaker 1: as usual, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 7: Thanks for it much, Steve, all the best.
24:07
Speaker 1: Plenty more to come on Steve Price. Now after the break,
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Speaker 1: the daughter of AFL star Neil Danaher joins me live
24:13
Speaker 1: to talk about how the Big Freeze is helping fight
24:17
Speaker 1: motor neur own disease. That's up next. As I said
24:24
Speaker 1: at the top of the program, welcome back. My interest
24:26
Speaker 1: in helping fun research into the horrendous condition of motor
24:30
Speaker 1: neuron disease became much more personal when late last year
24:34
Speaker 1: a dear friend of mine was diagnosed with MND. He's
24:38
Speaker 1: a fit, super smart Australian who had carved an amazing
24:41
Speaker 1: career for himself in business in Japan. He's been attacked
24:45
Speaker 1: by what's known colloquially as the Beast. I think most
24:49
Speaker 1: of us not personally involved with MND. I only became
24:52
Speaker 1: aware of what a dreadful thing it is through the
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Speaker 1: former AFL star and coach Neil Danaher. He was struck
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Speaker 1: down what I think now around ten years ago with MND.
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Speaker 1: He's an amazing guy, as are his family and they
25:05
Speaker 1: will not only be back with the celebrity driven Big
25:08
Speaker 1: Freeze Slide at the MCG on King's Birthday Monday, but
25:11
Speaker 1: that fundraiser is now going national. Beck danahert Nil's daughter
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Speaker 1: has done an incredible job along with her amazing father,
25:19
Speaker 1: and joins us. Now, Beck, it's such a bastard of
25:22
Speaker 1: a thing, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: It is?
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Speaker 9: And I wanted to say, firstly, I'm so sorry to
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Speaker 9: hear about your friend being diagnosed. We know that it's
25:30
Speaker 9: a beast, and that's the name that Dad termed it
25:33
Speaker 9: a couple of years ago, and it truly is robbing
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Speaker 9: people's ability to walk, to communicate, to talk and then
25:40
Speaker 9: eventually breathe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend's gone from being perfectly fit to struggling
25:46
Speaker 1: in six months. I was skiing with him in January.
25:50
Speaker 1: He can now struggles to walk, He's got no use
25:52
Speaker 1: of his arms. He's verbally struggling as well. I mean,
25:56
Speaker 1: it just it just happened so quickly.
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Speaker 4: It does.
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Speaker 9: Dad's had it for a lot longer. He's an outlier.
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Speaker 9: The normal timeframe is twenty seven months from diagnosis, so
26:09
Speaker 9: it can be so quick.
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Speaker 4: I had a.
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Speaker 9: Friend who unfortunately only lasted six weeks from diagnosis, so
26:15
Speaker 9: I feel very grateful that we've had so long with Dad.
26:18
Speaker 9: We didn't think that that would be the case. But
26:21
Speaker 9: just like your friend, and just like so many Australians
26:24
Speaker 9: out there, it hits, and it hits quickly and it
26:26
Speaker 9: hits hard.
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Speaker 1: You and the football public have done an incredible job.
26:32
Speaker 1: And how much of you now raised? What does it
26:34
Speaker 1: been nine or ten years?
26:36
Speaker 9: Yeah, so we're coming up to Big Freeze ten, which
26:38
Speaker 9: is absolutely surreal to be in this position. And due
26:43
Speaker 9: to the amazing funds and support that we've had from
26:45
Speaker 9: the community, we've been able to invest ninety seven million
26:48
Speaker 9: dollars into our fight to beat the beast, and eighty
26:51
Speaker 9: five million of that has gone into critical research trying
26:55
Speaker 9: to find what is the cause of M and D,
26:58
Speaker 9: how do we slow it down so that one day
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Speaker 9: we contain it and cure it.
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Speaker 4: And then we've.
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Speaker 9: Also invested twelve million dollars into care initiatives trying to
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Speaker 9: help those that are currently battling the beast and improving
27:09
Speaker 9: the quality of their lives. We know that it continues
27:13
Speaker 9: to attack the body, so we need to make sure
27:15
Speaker 9: that they get as best support as they can.
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Speaker 1: You got your beanie on there. We can't have this
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Speaker 1: chat without giving praise to big corporates around Australia. I
27:26
Speaker 1: bought my beanie about a month ago from Liquorland, who
27:30
Speaker 1: are selling the beanies. I've seen them in bottle shops
27:32
Speaker 1: all around the country and this money importantly raised out
27:37
Speaker 1: of selling those beanies goes into medical research. What are
27:40
Speaker 1: those medical professionals back telling you about where this research
27:45
Speaker 1: is hopefully going to lead the.
27:47
Speaker 4: Telling us that there's hope.
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Speaker 9: So that is the most critical and important thing that
27:52
Speaker 9: we can do. I know when Dad was diagnosed ten
27:54
Speaker 9: years ago, he got told to go away, tick off
27:57
Speaker 9: the bucket list. There wasn't much happening for research at
28:02
Speaker 9: the time. And now, through the generosity of Australians, we've
28:05
Speaker 9: been able to see fifteen clinical trials, which means people
28:08
Speaker 9: living with M and D have a way to fight
28:11
Speaker 9: back against the beast. Further to that, thirty drug development programs,
28:14
Speaker 9: and we're also seeing I call them an army of scientists,
28:18
Speaker 9: army of researchers who are coming to the forefront because
28:21
Speaker 9: it is exciting about what they are able to do.
28:25
Speaker 9: They've got a lot of hope and we're seeing the progress.
28:27
Speaker 9: So I think for us, the scientists are hopeful and
28:32
Speaker 9: that makes me hopeful.
28:36
Speaker 1: We're national obviously, this show The Big Freeze is going
28:40
Speaker 1: national as well. Tell me what that will entail.
28:43
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, we always say that M and D doesn't
28:46
Speaker 9: have borders, so neither do we. So we're really excited
28:49
Speaker 9: to paint this whole nation blue while we can. We're
28:53
Speaker 9: heading across to wa for a game and an activation
28:56
Speaker 9: with the West Coast Eagles on the first of June.
28:59
Speaker 9: Then we're heading to South Australia on the sixth of
29:01
Speaker 9: June with the Adelaide Crow's game against the Tigers. Then
29:05
Speaker 9: we have the Big Freeze Eve with the SDN Coulton
29:09
Speaker 9: Teams Big Freeze Day on June tenth. Then we're heading
29:12
Speaker 9: out to Queensland that following Friday for a Brisbane Lines game.
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Speaker 4: So that is a lot of AFL.
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Speaker 9: But for us, it's also we're seeing so many community,
29:22
Speaker 9: grassroots sports whatever code all pulling on their socks, pullutting
29:26
Speaker 9: these beanies on and as I said, we're really trying
29:29
Speaker 9: to turn this nation blue. I think the most important
29:33
Speaker 9: thing that shows is that all the people that are
29:35
Speaker 9: in those towns, they've got a beautiful community that are
29:39
Speaker 9: backing them in their fight and that they're showing that
29:42
Speaker 9: they care, and we're all here to try and make
29:44
Speaker 9: a difference.
29:47
Speaker 1: Given the job you've done so far, I'm sure you're
29:49
Speaker 1: going to launch nationally perfectly. Back Danaher. Give our best
29:52
Speaker 1: regards to Neil and thank you very much for everything
29:54
Speaker 1: you've done. You're an absolute star and a champion. Don't
29:58
Speaker 1: go anywhere, folks. Another explos investigation by award winning journalist
30:02
Speaker 1: Headley Thomas about a young mother who disappeared back in
30:05
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties. You do not want to miss that.
30:07
Speaker 1: Plus our favorite cartoonist takes us through the week that
30:11
Speaker 1: was Welcome back Now. Headley Thomas is one of Australia's
30:19
Speaker 1: greatest ever investigative journalists, with multiple awards for his workover decades,
30:24
Speaker 1: everything from medical malpractice to uncovering mistakes on response to
30:29
Speaker 1: natural disasters, especially in his hometown of Brisbane. But it
30:32
Speaker 1: was Headley's groundbreaking career pivot into podcasting that brought him
30:37
Speaker 1: international attention. In twenty twenty two, the world was captivated
30:41
Speaker 1: by the chilling cold case podcast The Teacher's Pet. I
30:45
Speaker 1: was riveted to every episode now as the podcast sent
30:49
Speaker 1: shock waves across the globe. It led to renewed investigation
30:52
Speaker 1: into that cold case, which ultimately led to sufficient evidence
30:56
Speaker 1: to charge Chris Dawson, the husband of Lynn. Not only
30:59
Speaker 1: did the podcast result in Dawson being sent to prison,
31:03
Speaker 1: but nobody no parole law passed in New South Wales.
31:06
Speaker 1: As a result, Dawson is back in court appealing that sentence,
31:10
Speaker 1: and now the skillful storyteller and thorough investigator Headley Thomas.
31:14
Speaker 1: As a brand new podcast, Bronwin looks into the life
31:18
Speaker 1: of a young, bubbly Queensland of New South Wales girl,
31:21
Speaker 1: Joy Bromwin Joy Winfield, a mother who disappeared in nineteen
31:25
Speaker 1: ninety three. She's never been seen again. We're joined now
31:28
Speaker 1: by The Australian's national Chief correspondent, Headley Thomas. First episode,
31:32
Speaker 1: Headley up for the Australian newspaper subscribers today. I'll have
31:36
Speaker 1: a listen over the weekend. I mentioned Teacher's Pet. There
31:38
Speaker 1: seems to be some similarities here, Headley.
31:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, there, Ared Stephen.
31:45
Speaker 11: Thank you for having me and thank you for supporting
31:47
Speaker 11: these podcasts. I remember you and I talked a lot
31:49
Speaker 11: about Lynn's case back in twenty eighteen, and you told
31:53
Speaker 11: me you couldn't stop listening, and I really appreciated some
31:55
Speaker 11: of the advice you gave. In this case, there are
31:58
Speaker 11: some very disturbing similarities, and they include a young woman
32:06
Speaker 11: utterly devoted to her two children. She's living in a
32:10
Speaker 11: community which supports her, she has good friends, she has
32:14
Speaker 11: a part time job, and she's making plans.
32:18
Speaker 2: Now this is where the two cases are different.
32:22
Speaker 11: Unlike Lynn, who really wanted to remain in her marriage
32:26
Speaker 11: with Chris, Bromwin was desperate to be out of her
32:31
Speaker 11: marriage with her husband, John Winfield, and she had actually
32:35
Speaker 11: separated from him. She'd moved out of the family home
32:38
Speaker 11: in Lennox Head and into a townhouse in the town
32:45
Speaker 11: center not too far away, with her two girls, their
32:47
Speaker 11: age five and ten.
32:49
Speaker 2: At that time, she.
32:50
Speaker 11: Was separated from John for about seven weeks, but when
32:53
Speaker 11: he went to Sydney for work and he was helping
32:56
Speaker 11: build a house for a friend in the Shire, Broman
33:00
Speaker 11: decided to move back into the family home because it
33:03
Speaker 11: would save money, it would save rent, and she didn't
33:05
Speaker 11: have a lot. She'd been on a very strict budget
33:08
Speaker 11: during her six years of marriage to John. She didn't
33:12
Speaker 11: have much in the way of saving so she went
33:15
Speaker 11: back into the house, but that then triggered a visit
33:19
Speaker 11: by John to Lennox Head. He flew up on a
33:22
Speaker 11: Sunday evening, He went to the house, he went inside,
33:26
Speaker 11: they had some words. He said that she got into
33:30
Speaker 11: a car after making a phone call and he doesn't
33:33
Speaker 11: know who was driving the car.
33:34
Speaker 2: Someone came to pick her up, but.
33:36
Speaker 11: That was the last time Robin was ever seen by
33:40
Speaker 11: her husband that night. And I'm trying with this podcast
33:45
Speaker 11: series to uncover new facts, new evidence, new material that
33:51
Speaker 11: could shed some light on where Bromin is. We're very
33:54
Speaker 11: sure Bromin's been dead for a long time. There's been
33:57
Speaker 11: no proof of life of her for thirty one years.
34:01
Speaker 11: And of course who caused her to disappear, who possibly
34:06
Speaker 11: killed her?
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Speaker 2: That is a major focus of this series.
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Speaker 1: And knowing you you will dig up new facts. I
34:13
Speaker 1: read today in the launch in The Australian and people
34:17
Speaker 1: will if they are Australian contributors, they can listen to
34:20
Speaker 1: the podcast for episode one. I read today that a
34:22
Speaker 1: couple of very experienced senior detectives who've worked in homicide
34:27
Speaker 1: have some quite real concerns about how the investigation unfolded.
34:33
Speaker 2: That's right, Steve.
34:34
Speaker 11: The original investigation into Bromwin as a missing person was
34:41
Speaker 11: very very poor.
34:43
Speaker 2: Very little was done.
34:45
Speaker 11: It seems there were no forensic examinations of the house
34:49
Speaker 11: nor of the car. In fact, it seems that Ballana police,
34:53
Speaker 11: Ballana being the nearest large town too Lennox had they
34:58
Speaker 11: came to a view that Bromwin had just decided to
35:02
Speaker 11: go away for a break, even though none of her
35:05
Speaker 11: friends or family knew she was planning any such thing,
35:09
Speaker 11: and then stayed away for weeks, then months, and then years,
35:13
Speaker 11: and so for five years, very little was done on
35:17
Speaker 11: this case. John produced some letters and diary entries which
35:24
Speaker 11: he said suggested that his a strange wife needed some
35:28
Speaker 11: time away, that she was struggling and having some difficulties,
35:33
Speaker 11: and the police probably accepted that and did very little.
35:38
Speaker 2: They certainly didn't look at.
35:40
Speaker 11: Foul play, it seems from all of the documentation and
35:44
Speaker 11: the interviews I've been doing. But in nineteen ninety eight,
35:49
Speaker 11: a much more rigorous investigation was conducted, and it was
35:53
Speaker 11: led by Detective Sergeant Glenn Taylor, and he's been helping
35:57
Speaker 11: me in this new podcast investigation. Glenn has been deeply
36:02
Speaker 11: committed to trying to give justice to Broman since he
36:06
Speaker 11: picked it up.
36:07
Speaker 2: He got the case.
36:08
Speaker 11: Into a brief of evidence that went before the coroner
36:12
Speaker 11: in two thousand and two, and the coroner in that case, a.
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Speaker 2: Very senior coroner, Karl Milavanovitch.
36:19
Speaker 11: He made a finding that Bromman was indeed dead and
36:23
Speaker 11: he recommended that a known person, being Broman's estranged husband,
36:28
Speaker 11: should be considered by the DPP for prosecution for alleged murder.
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Speaker 1: Well, Headley, I'm looking forward to diving into it. I'm
36:39
Speaker 1: sure it'll be sensational. Everything you do is great work.
36:41
Speaker 1: Good on your mate. Thanks for talking to us, Headley
36:44
Speaker 1: Thomas and make sure you grab your Australian and have
36:46
Speaker 1: a look at that now. Also on the program, it's
36:48
Speaker 1: time to look back at the week that was with
36:50
Speaker 1: Australia's favorite cartoonist Mark Knight joined us in the studio.
36:53
Speaker 1: It's been another massive week of news, Anthony Albaneze and
36:57
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton in the Spotlight, the Energy debate, plenty of
37:00
Speaker 1: talk about with Mark. I note you've started now, I
37:03
Speaker 1: might to be imagining this am. I you've started drawing
37:06
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton bolder but stronger?
37:11
Speaker 12: Is that accidental, maybe just seeping into my subconscious that
37:17
Speaker 12: he's actually putting himself out there, and he's becoming I
37:22
Speaker 12: don't know, he's sort of less that that thing we
37:26
Speaker 12: used to draw. We used to draw him as like
37:27
Speaker 12: a character from Harry Potter as Voldemort years ago. But
37:30
Speaker 12: he's we're seeing more of him, so we get getting
37:32
Speaker 12: to know him a bit better.
37:33
Speaker 1: So the one today, he's in a truck. Let's have
37:35
Speaker 1: a look at that, and he's trying he's trying to
37:39
Speaker 1: drive where too.
37:41
Speaker 12: He's trying to deliver a nuclear power station Victoria, right.
37:44
Speaker 1: And he's got to sit her out and on the road.
37:46
Speaker 12: Well, you know what Victoria is like, Steve, We protest.
37:50
Speaker 12: We are the nation's capital of protests.
37:52
Speaker 6: So as soon.
37:52
Speaker 12: As you know, poor old Peter said he was going
37:55
Speaker 12: to deliver nuclear power Victoria.
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Speaker 6: Just into us in the middle of the road, laying there.
38:00
Speaker 12: No none shall pass over my dead body.
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Speaker 1: So that cartoon sort of drew big nuclear power stations,
38:06
Speaker 1: big trucks, big big Peter coming down the road. Albo's
38:10
Speaker 1: got himself into all sorts of trouble over energy as well.
38:14
Speaker 1: How we draw how do we see elbow?
38:15
Speaker 6: This week?
38:16
Speaker 1: Let's have a look at that.
38:16
Speaker 6: Well I did this scene is I think we're going
38:19
Speaker 6: to show the scene of the street.
38:20
Speaker 1: Right, a little street with big windmills in the background.
38:24
Speaker 12: I loved painting this scene because you know, a emo
38:27
Speaker 12: came out and said, look, we're not renewed.
38:29
Speaker 6: Was not going to do it for us. Yes, okay,
38:32
Speaker 6: so we're going to be sitting in there in the dark.
38:33
Speaker 6: Doesn't matter how many solar panels you have, it's.
38:35
Speaker 12: Not going to work at the moment. So we need
38:37
Speaker 12: an alternative. And they're up the street as Peter don't
38:40
Speaker 12: with his nuclear idea.
38:42
Speaker 6: And look at the house. It's lit up. It's lit
38:43
Speaker 6: up like a like a lighthead.
38:44
Speaker 1: Rights of shin. It looks very cozy.
38:47
Speaker 6: I want to go up there and have a beer.
38:49
Speaker 1: What's the house down the road, the.
38:51
Speaker 12: One in the middle is that's no man's land, no
38:54
Speaker 12: man no one's doing anything.
38:57
Speaker 1: Immigration gave you plenty to draw about this week too,
38:59
Speaker 1: having this big debate about are there too many people
39:02
Speaker 1: coming into the country. Anyone who lives in Melbourne or
39:04
Speaker 1: Sydney knows the roads are crowded. Our young youngsters can't
39:07
Speaker 1: buy houses, you can't rent a house, So what do
39:10
Speaker 1: we This is australia front door, right. Do you know
39:13
Speaker 1: what I mean about Dunton getting big and strong and
39:15
Speaker 1: elbow getting weak and skinny.
39:18
Speaker 6: You've seen something I just didn't notice.
39:20
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, really, well, you know Australia's front door that
39:24
Speaker 12: the drawbridge elbow's been tried. He's saying he's going to
39:28
Speaker 12: pull the drawbridge and just slow the rate down.
39:31
Speaker 1: I love the drawbridge analogy.
39:33
Speaker 6: Yeah, well yeah, it does. Look it's in these cartoons.
39:36
Speaker 12: You've got to have a metaphor, visual metaphor that works
39:39
Speaker 12: really quickly, and I think something like that community, you know,
39:42
Speaker 12: communicates to the reader quickly, as does Dune with a
39:45
Speaker 12: bee hairy chest that says.
39:47
Speaker 6: I'm going to come in and I'm going to do.
39:48
Speaker 1: I think that's how the next election campaign is going
39:50
Speaker 1: to be argued. That Peter Dutton, he says, I'm going
39:53
Speaker 1: to go back to basics, simple policy, but it's a
39:55
Speaker 1: policy that will resonate with all Australians, whereas Anthony Albanez
39:59
Speaker 1: is trying to prosecute these policies that he believes are
40:03
Speaker 1: great for the country but not too many other people do.
40:06
Speaker 1: Now talking about politicians who are having a bad time.
40:09
Speaker 1: You drew one of my favorite characters, Tim Pallace, the
40:12
Speaker 1: Treasurer of Victoria. Yes he's a bloker's in all sorts
40:15
Speaker 1: of pain. What a backflip. Look at that.
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Speaker 12: Look for a guy who you know, Tim is not
40:21
Speaker 12: the fittest looking bloke on the plane and he's not
40:23
Speaker 12: really saying that, but boy did he do a backflip
40:26
Speaker 12: and a half with a double pike yesterday when he
40:29
Speaker 12: quickly dropped his payroll tax for GPS.
40:32
Speaker 6: He is as flexible as they come.
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Speaker 1: That's the little GP sitting there thinking all my Christmas
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Speaker 1: has come at once.
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Speaker 6: It looks a bit like my GP. I hope he
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Speaker 6: doesn't mind.
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Speaker 12: But you know when you sit in there and you
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Speaker 12: sit in that chair next to the GP and they
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Speaker 12: sort of chat to you and they tap away and
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Speaker 12: hand you a script. Well, that's what's happening in that Consultan.
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Speaker 1: That's an absolute sensational cartoon. Mark Knight, thanks for coming
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Speaker 1: in again. You've had a wonderful week. That's Mark Knight.
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Speaker 1: Make sure you catch him in the Herald so on.
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Speaker 1: You have a cartoon attached my column in the paper tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Plenty more to come on, Steve Price, another honest stunt
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Speaker 1: by Kyle and Jackie O that has raised my eyebrows
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Speaker 1: as well. Plus why drink drivers have been slipping through
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Speaker 1: the actual cracks. All that with my Friday panel up next,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Steve Price with you. Let's get straight
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Speaker 1: into our Friday night panel, joining me Scote News contributor
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Speaker 1: Joe Hildebrand and Small Business Women Australia CEO Amanda Rose.
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Speaker 1: Great to see you both as usual, Joe. I want
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Speaker 1: to start with you. Two of your mates first up tonight.
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Speaker 1: One of them Anthony Albanezi, the Prime Minister. Yes, the
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Speaker 1: other one Kyle Sandalans wedding buddy elbows. Yeah, you're going
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Speaker 1: to get in trouble. You interviewed the PM last weekend
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Speaker 1: for two years, two years into his prime ministership. Good
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Speaker 1: leader or bad leader?
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Speaker 13: Look, I think he's been pretty good. Everyone knows I'm
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Speaker 13: soft on him.
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Speaker 1: I know him. I know he's a good bloke.
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Speaker 13: I think he's I've been Prime Minister in some very
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Speaker 13: very difficult circumstances, most of which are beyond his control.
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Speaker 13: Has got a bit of a catch twenty two situation
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Speaker 13: where people are crying out for relief from cost of
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Speaker 13: living pressures, but any relief runs the risk of being inflationary.
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Speaker 13: So it's one of those things where you really have
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Speaker 13: to sort of thread the needle in your budgets and
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Speaker 13: your government policy. And I think he's done a pretty
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Speaker 13: okay job. I mean, I'm very much a centrist. I
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Speaker 13: think he is coming back to the center from his
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Speaker 13: early days in the left. And you know, again I'm
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Speaker 13: bias somewhere that I must leave, but I think he's
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Speaker 13: doing a pretty good job.
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Speaker 1: I don't mind you being by so Amanda. Good lead
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Speaker 1: to bad leaders so far two years in.
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Speaker 8: Look, well, I don't know him personally, but I can
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Speaker 8: say that his policies and his decisions have been destructive
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Speaker 8: for small businesses and the ripple effect is devastating to
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Speaker 8: families and communities. So from that aspect, I say he's
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Speaker 8: a very poor leader. He's gone back on his word.
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Speaker 8: And when it comes to leadership, we want someone with
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Speaker 8: good character, someone that literally says something and you can
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Speaker 8: trust them that they'll deliver on that. You know, Blaming
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Speaker 8: previous governments, I get that everyone does that, but that's
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Speaker 8: no excuse for poor economic management.
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Speaker 1: You know, a La Green is watching us have just
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Speaker 1: had a heart attack with that open fire burning in
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Speaker 1: the background there in your lounge room, and that will
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Speaker 1: be banned forever. They're turning his off now because you've
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Speaker 1: burned burning wood.
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Speaker 3: Good.
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Speaker 8: I love wood and we shouldn't be getting rid of it.
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Speaker 8: It's a natural resource and it's great.
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Speaker 1: I've got exactly the same wood eater as you have,
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Speaker 1: and I'll be turning it on when to get home.
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Speaker 1: Joe just on the PM. I know him not as
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Speaker 1: well as you, but I know him, I said earlier.
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Speaker 1: He seems to be shrinking a little bit into the office.
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Speaker 1: I think his confidence has been knocked about, particularly by
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Speaker 1: the Voice, his media performances in front of the media pack.
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Speaker 1: He seems to resent hard questions which in the past
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't have cared about. But he's getting very sense. Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Look, I think a lot of people obviously got bruised
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Speaker 13: by the Voice referendum, and it was appallingly run.
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Speaker 1: And I say that as a YES supporter.
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Speaker 13: I was just dismayed watching it all unravel in real
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Speaker 13: time and actually got pretty clinically depressed as a result.
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Speaker 13: I can only imagine how Indigenous Australians must have felt.
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Speaker 13: I think that with the PM though I'm always struck,
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Speaker 13: I'm sometimes even alarmed by his confidence. I sometimes think
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Speaker 13: he should be more worried than he actually is. But
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Speaker 13: he's not a chess Peter. He's never going to be
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Speaker 13: that sort of tough guy marcho leader like Peter Dunton,
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Speaker 13: who I also think is a great bloke, and I
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Speaker 13: really like Albow. I think is much more. Again, he's
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Speaker 13: much more of a centrist. I think is much sort
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Speaker 13: of warmer as a leader. Obviously, he has that history
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Speaker 13: as being a sort of bit of a fixer for
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Speaker 13: the left in the Labor Party, and you've got to
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Speaker 13: be pretty rough and tough and have pretty strong elbows
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Speaker 13: to do that, and I think he wants to sort
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Speaker 13: of leave that behind him. He was also the sort
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Speaker 13: of chief attack dog when he was Leader of the
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Speaker 13: House for the government and indeed the opposition. So again,
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Speaker 13: I think he wants to be more sort of the
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Speaker 13: person he is, which is actually a pretty nice blow.
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Speaker 13: Can you want have a beer with.
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Speaker 1: I'll ask Amanda about this in a moment, but we've
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Speaker 1: got to start with you, Joe, you mate, Kyle. He
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Speaker 1: forced his on air partner Jackie O today to put
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Speaker 1: on virtual reality goggles and watch pornography live on air
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Speaker 1: on radio as if she was a male. Now, are
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Speaker 1: we not in the middle of a debate about men's
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Speaker 1: behavior toward women. We're not in the middle of a
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Speaker 1: debate about the damaged teenage boys watching porn's having on
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Speaker 1: their behavior toward females. How do we let this stuff
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Speaker 1: go to air for God's sake?
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Speaker 13: Well, firstly, thank god it was radio and not television.
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Speaker 13: But yes, I did. I came across this on there.
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Speaker 13: I don't listen to Kyle and JACKIEO, but I came
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Speaker 13: across it on Instagram. I thought, no, that can't be right,
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Speaker 13: and surely it was. Strangely enough, I was actually just
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Speaker 13: talking about this with a bunch of people, a bunch
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Speaker 13: of vice chancellors actually, but just talking about the imminent
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Speaker 13: threat of social media. And I said, what happens when
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Speaker 13: we start getting you know, ubiquitous virtual reality, And the
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Speaker 13: first thing that's going to happen is virtual reality porn.
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Speaker 13: And I honestly did not think that we were there yet,
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Speaker 13: but here we are. Look, I think I think that
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Speaker 13: what you say is absolutely right. I think that is
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Speaker 13: a real threat. And I think obviously the way that
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Speaker 13: a lot of young kids or young boys are starting
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Speaker 13: to see women like that.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Taates scumbag, You know, it is it is.
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Speaker 13: I think it is clearly affected by the proliferation of porn.
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Speaker 13: I think virtual reality probably makes it even more of
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Speaker 13: a threat. But again, Kyle and Jackie, they do this
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Speaker 13: thing just to get attention, and here.
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Speaker 1: We are giving to them. Yeah, I know, but I
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Speaker 1: think you've got to call it out when I think
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Speaker 1: it's grubby and it should not be allowed to go
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Speaker 1: to wear Amanda your view, it.
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Speaker 8: Was a very deliberate decision on their behalf to do this,
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Speaker 8: and they have a responsibility because they influence so many
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Speaker 8: youth of today. So I would like to know. So
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Speaker 8: were they put up to this because they're incentivized with
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Speaker 8: a financial gain, or are they genuinely that you know,
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Speaker 8: detached for morality that they think doing something like this
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Speaker 8: is okay and then to share that with you know,
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Speaker 8: the youth teenagers and young twenty year olds and thirty
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Speaker 8: year olds of today because they will influence them. You know,
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Speaker 8: we're trying to protect people from this type of activity.
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Speaker 8: Yes activity, Yes, people have a choice. However, when something
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Speaker 8: like this is so blatant, Give it a couple of
47:30
Speaker 8: months and it'll be normal.
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Speaker 13: In that defends I will say. Jackie Owen said, it's
47:34
Speaker 13: shocked by what she was saying. So maybe the message was,
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Speaker 13: oh my god, this.
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Speaker 8: You could have said, no, it's you make the decision.
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Speaker 8: You should know this show. You make the decision what's
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Speaker 8: going to air. And they knew what was going to happen.
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Speaker 8: They knew it was going to be risky. And I
47:49
Speaker 8: know it's their thing, and I know you say they
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Speaker 8: put on a performance, but you're still going to make
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Speaker 8: a choice in life. And you know, I know I
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Speaker 8: don't mind people doing things here and that you know,
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Speaker 8: that's what media is like. But was actually crossing the
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Speaker 8: line And how many times does someone need to cross
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Speaker 8: the line before that line then becomes normal and then
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Speaker 8: we have another line and before you know it, moralityes
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Speaker 8: disappeared from society.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Now, Amanda, this South Australian bloke who won Powerball overnight.
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Speaker 1: He's won one hundred and fifty million dollars, biggest winning
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Speaker 1: lottery ever. He went to work today and said he's
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Speaker 1: going to keep his job. I know he comes from
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Speaker 1: South Australia, but even a South Australian could work out,
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Speaker 1: you don't have to keep working if you win one
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million.
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Speaker 8: Look, I actually think it's very wise, right, An idle
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Speaker 8: mind is not wise. So I do it because he's
48:38
Speaker 8: keeping busy. I mean, some people want to take their
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Speaker 8: winnings and go and work in charities and help people,
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Speaker 8: and so I think it's wonderful that he's actually, you know,
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Speaker 8: hanging around with the people he knows, and he might
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Speaker 8: spend his money wisely on other things.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what Joe and I wouldn't be wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be sitting here if we'd one hundred and fifty million
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Speaker 1: dollars bit and Andros Joe Hildebranda was a pleasure to
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Speaker 1: catch up with him both on a Friday today. Joe's
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Speaker 1: off already coming up next, Georgia Danikio, I'll talk to
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Speaker 1: you next Friday.
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