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Sharri | 26 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Sharing and good evening.
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Speaker 2: That was the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi there saying that
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Speaker 2: tonight he has spoken to Julian Assange as he's arrived home.
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Speaker 1: He's touchdown in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister said that Assige spoke to him, told
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Speaker 2: him he was happy. It was a surreal moment for him.
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Speaker 2: He said that he was the first person Assiane had
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Speaker 2: spoken to when he arrived back on Australian soil tonight.
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Speaker 1: This is an historic moment.
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Speaker 2: The Prime minister there holding a press conference in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: He said the incarceration had gone on for too long.
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Speaker 2: He was asked his opinion on the case repeatedly. He
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Speaker 2: wouldn't comment other than to say that it was time
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Speaker 2: for Sange to be released. He did take full credit
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Speaker 2: for this move. He said he'd raised it directly and
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Speaker 2: repeatedly with the United States President Joe Biden. He wouldn't
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Speaker 2: confide whether he did plan to meet with Assige in
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Speaker 2: the next few days, but as I said, he took
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Speaker 2: full credit for this outcome. He said this was deplomacy
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Speaker 2: at work. He said the diplomacy required patience and it
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Speaker 2: was built on trust. He described himself there Albanisi as
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Speaker 2: an outcome based politician who was not there just to
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Speaker 2: occupy the seat.
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Speaker 1: He said he'd worked closely.
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Speaker 2: With Assange's legal team, which is led by Australian Jen Robertson,
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Speaker 2: and with the US administration.
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Speaker 1: So that is the prime minister.
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Speaker 2: There speaking on this breaking news, Julian Assange back on
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Speaker 2: Australian soil, and Albanzi as prime Minister using this moment
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Speaker 2: to boost his own credentials, taking full credit for it,
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Speaker 2: saying that it was his diplomacy, his advocacy with no
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Speaker 2: less than the United States President that had led to
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Speaker 2: this outcome. So you're watching their live the pictures of
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Speaker 2: Assige as he stepped off the plane, not life from
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Speaker 2: about half an hour ago now as he's stepped off
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Speaker 2: the plane on Australian soil. He arrived at Canberra Airport
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Speaker 2: around half an hour ago. As I said, this is
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Speaker 2: a major moment, Julian Assange back on home soil after
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Speaker 2: a forteen year odal since he first broke American law
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Speaker 2: by publishing classified national security documents on WikiLeaks.
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Speaker 1: In doing so, he was accused of.
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Speaker 2: Risking the lives of national security sources. But tonight he
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Speaker 2: is being welcomed home by many as a hero and
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Speaker 2: by the Albanese government, which, as the Prime Minister just said, fought.
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Speaker 1: So hard for his release.
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Speaker 2: Now we are expecting to hear from Julian Assange himself.
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Speaker 1: This evening, if not his family.
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Speaker 2: We're going to bring you that press conference live as
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Speaker 2: it happens here on Sky News. We're going to keep
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Speaker 2: you updated as the news unfolds. Let's go now to Canberra,
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Speaker 2: as I said, where Signe has just landed and Sky
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Speaker 2: News as senior potter Fiona Willin is there. Fiona, take
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Speaker 2: us through what we can expect over the next hour
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Speaker 2: or so.
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Speaker 3: We'll try At the moment, Julian massandres in the building
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Speaker 3: behind me. He's clearing customs. He's with his family. We
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Speaker 3: saw him step off the plane just a short time ago.
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Speaker 3: We saw him stopping. We saw him step off just
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Speaker 3: a short time ago.
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Speaker 1: He received a big cheer.
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Speaker 3: From the crowd sporters. Excuse me, sir, sorry, we received
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Speaker 3: a big cheer. He received a really big cheer from
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Speaker 3: his supporters.
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Speaker 2: Look, why don't we we have people are clearly very
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Speaker 2: excited and his arrival a Fiona, why don't we come
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Speaker 2: back to you in a moment. We're just go now
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Speaker 2: to Sky News host James McPherson.
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Speaker 1: James, this is a major moment.
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Speaker 2: Look, we've been very critical on my program, at least
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Speaker 2: last night, of Julian Assange, of how he put lives
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Speaker 2: at risk service men and women who who were risking
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Speaker 2: their own lives to work in undercover roles in war zones,
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Speaker 2: in high risk areas, and he risked exposing them. There
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Speaker 2: was no redaction in the documents. This was not careful
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Speaker 2: journalism as some have claimed. This was a careless document dump.
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Speaker 2: Now we just heard that press conference from Albani, and
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Speaker 2: the line that he's been running and other senior politicians
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Speaker 2: is that they don't want to get into what Assiange did.
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Speaker 2: They don't want to get into the criminality of it,
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Speaker 2: even though he has just pled guilty. It was that
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Speaker 2: guilty plea that has seen him walk free. But they
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Speaker 2: don't want to get into that. They just want to
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Speaker 2: take credit for the fact that he's released because they
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Speaker 2: judge that the sentiment now in Australia is that this
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Speaker 2: saga has gone on too long.
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Speaker 1: After fourteen years.
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Speaker 2: They judge that the sentiment is Assange has done his time.
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Speaker 4: What do you think absolutely. I mean, Elbanze is a
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Speaker 4: little disingenuous when he talks about how this is dragged
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Speaker 4: on too long and we didn't see any value in
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Speaker 4: the continued incarceration. Don't forget most of it has dragged
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Speaker 4: on because Juliana Sange himself has been avoiding facing court.
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Speaker 4: He spent was at seven years in the Ecuadorian embassy
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Speaker 4: avoiding being tried for the crimes he was alleged to
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Speaker 4: have committed. So for Anthony Albanesi to say it's dragged
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Speaker 4: on too long, Julian Assange was the one who dragged
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Speaker 4: this out. But as you point out, Anthony Alberanzi, who
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Speaker 4: hasn't had a great twelve months, needs a win and
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Speaker 4: so he was very keen to point out that Julian
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Speaker 4: Assange called his team the diplomatic a team. Wow, that's amazing,
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Speaker 4: high praise from Juliana Sange. He's a prime minister who
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Speaker 4: gets things done. Well, how's your energy price going, how's
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Speaker 4: the how's in crisis going, how's inflation going? This is
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Speaker 4: a prime minister who is desperately looking for a win.
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Speaker 4: So desperate for a win, he's grabbing onto the hotels
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Speaker 4: of Julie Ma Sange trying to leak a bit of
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Speaker 4: credibility from him. That's how desperate, Anthony Elbanez he is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just going to point out, James that we
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Speaker 2: were just seeing a footage there of Assange hugging his
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Speaker 2: wife Stella Siane, who's been in Australia waiting for him
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Speaker 2: to arrive. And he was accompanied there as well by
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Speaker 2: Jen Robinson, his lawyer. We've had her on the program.
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Speaker 2: She's been his longest serving counsel. There is that emotional
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Speaker 2: moment where Julian hugs his wife Stella. He does have
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Speaker 2: two children, so shortly he'll be reunited with them. Look
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Speaker 2: for Assange supporters, this is one of the most joyous
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Speaker 2: nights for them. They will undoubtedly be celebrating and it
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Speaker 2: is a closure of a long running period. But we
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Speaker 2: can't forget what got him here in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in now our political panel in Cambre joining
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Speaker 2: me now, National Senate leader Bridget mackenzie and Labor MP
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Speaker 2: Andrew Charlton.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. Bridget, can I have your reaction
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Speaker 1: to this.
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Speaker 2: We just heard the Prime Minister there take full credit
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Speaker 2: for this outcome for Juliana Sange's arrival back on Australian soil.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister described himself as an outcome based politician.
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Speaker 2: He said he wasn't just here to occupy the seat.
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Speaker 2: He couldn't let this moment go without taking complete responsibility
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Speaker 2: for it, he said. He said that he had raised
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Speaker 2: the case with the US President Joe Brydon, and that
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Speaker 2: this was diplomacy, patient diplomacy at work.
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Speaker 1: What's your response tonight, Bridget McKenzie.
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Speaker 5: I'll look obviously very happy for mister Assange and his
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Speaker 5: family there, obviously over the moon. But let's not think
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Speaker 5: that this guy's the public hero number one that the
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister's trying to make him out to be.
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Speaker 1: He is no journalist. In my view.
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Speaker 5: Journalists have to check their facts, sources, and indeed this
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Speaker 5: guy just dumped a whole lot of documents onto the internet,
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Speaker 5: happened to be good at tech and put agents potentially
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Speaker 5: at risk. That is not what a great journalist does.
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Speaker 5: So I don't see him as a public hero. Obviously
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Speaker 5: happy that he's home, safe and sound for him as
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Speaker 5: a personal level, but I think this is another case
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Speaker 5: on the day when we've seen inflation with a four
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Speaker 5: in front of it making the Reserve Bank Governor's job
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Speaker 5: harder on interest rates, that the Prime Ministry is once
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Speaker 5: again tone deaf to what the real issues Australians are
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Speaker 5: concerned about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're going to get to that inflation rate
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Speaker 2: in a moment. But what do you think, Andrew, Do
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Speaker 2: you think this is a distraction from the Prime minister?
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Speaker 2: Do you think Massange should be lauded as some kind
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Speaker 2: of hero.
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Speaker 6: I think a lot of people have different views about
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Speaker 6: Juliana Sange, about who he is and what he did.
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Speaker 6: But from the Australian Government's perspective, there is really only
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Speaker 6: one fact that matters, and that is that he is
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Speaker 6: an Australian citizen and he spent the best part of
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Speaker 6: fifteen years in different forms of confined So the Australian
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Speaker 6: Government did what we would do for any Australian citizen,
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Speaker 6: which is advocate for their case. It has taken a
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Speaker 6: lot of patience, diplomacy, a lot of hard work on
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Speaker 6: the part of our embassies abroad, and I pay credit
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Speaker 6: to our embassies in Washington and London, and it has
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Speaker 6: been a difficult thing to achieve. And I do think
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Speaker 6: that the government deserves credit for bringing an Australian citizen home.
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Speaker 6: Whatever you think of that Australian citizen and what he did.
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Speaker 2: All right, Look, let's have a look at some of
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Speaker 2: the other topics today. We are standing by tonight to
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Speaker 2: hear from Julian Assange himself. He is expected to speak
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Speaker 2: to the media tonight and if not him, his family.
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Speaker 2: So we'll bring you that live as it happens. As
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Speaker 2: I said, we've just heard from the Prime Minister. If
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Speaker 2: you're just tuning in now, Julian Assange is now back
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Speaker 2: on Australian soil. Well, let's have a look at these
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Speaker 2: inflation figures today. The ABS start is showing that inflation
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Speaker 2: has searched four percent from three points six percent for
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Speaker 2: the year to May. This is not good news again,
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Speaker 2: it's a further sign that we could be looking at
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Speaker 2: a rate rise this year. Here was Treasurer Jim Charmers
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Speaker 2: speaking about this today.
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Speaker 5: As I said before, as we've said many times, the
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Speaker 5: monthly numbers bounce around. They don't compare the same goods
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Speaker 5: and services.
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Speaker 2: I mean, bridget the cost of living is the issue
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Speaker 2: that most people, most Australians are interested in, are concerned
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Speaker 2: by us struggling with you know, not Julian Assange's freedom.
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Speaker 2: So are you worried about today's inflation data?
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Speaker 5: Well, absolutely, I'm worried about it. The Australian public's worried
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Speaker 5: about it, mortgage holders are worried about it. The only
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Speaker 5: people that aren't worried about it the government. Jim Charmer's
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Speaker 5: even casual disregard during question time and your click just
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Speaker 5: earlier shows that he doesn't have an economic plan that's working.
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Speaker 1: We're at the back of the back.
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Speaker 5: When it comes to the G ten. This homegrown inflation
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Speaker 5: is going in the wrong direction, as I said earlier,
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Speaker 5: is going to make the Reserve Bank Governor's role very
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Speaker 5: difficult as she looks to interest rates. And households are struggling.
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Speaker 5: Their electricity has gone up twenty one percent in the
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Speaker 5: last two years, housing and rents fourteen percent. Australians are struggling,
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Speaker 5: and what we've seen is a very weak government.
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Speaker 1: They're not prepared to.
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Speaker 5: Make the tough decisions on the budget. They're not prepared
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Speaker 5: to cut spending in those really difficult structural areas, and
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Speaker 5: they've been distracted. If it's not the Voice this week,
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Speaker 5: it's Assange. A few months ago they couldn't find their detainees.
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Speaker 5: So on every single measure there are distracted and weak
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Speaker 5: government and the Australian public deserves better because right now
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Speaker 5: they're going backwards.
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Speaker 2: Andrew, it wasn't so long ago when the inflation forecasts
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Speaker 2: were meant to come down. We were expecting potentially even
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Speaker 2: a rate the rates to fall, a rate cut before Christmas. Look,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like that's the case at all. What's
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Speaker 2: gone wrong here? Why is inflation not falling as we
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Speaker 2: expect it?
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Speaker 6: Well, inflation has been persistent around the world. But I
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Speaker 6: do take issue with what Bridget just said. But Jim
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Speaker 6: chalmers economic plan is working and he has the runs
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Speaker 6: on the board to show it. He has delivered two
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Speaker 6: budget surpluses at the same time, he has brought down
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Speaker 6: inflation by half and he has delivered the lowest unemployment
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Speaker 6: of any first term government on record. Now, it is
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Speaker 6: true that inflation still has further to come down and
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Speaker 6: there is more hard work to do.
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Speaker 1: But are you worried it's moving in the wrong direction? Now?
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Speaker 1: Are you worried that inflation is now rising not falling? Well?
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Speaker 6: Core inflation, the measure that the RBA looks at, has
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Speaker 6: been steady for a couple of months. Jim Charmers is
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Speaker 6: right that these are monthly numbers which are quite volatile
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Speaker 6: and only contain part of the CPI, so we'll get
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Speaker 6: a better read on it when the full quarterly numbers
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Speaker 6: come out. But what we do know is this that
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Speaker 6: when Bridget's Party was in office, they left us with
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Speaker 6: inflation running at a quarterly rate was two point one percent.
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Speaker 6: It's now half that, at one percent in the most
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Speaker 6: recent quarterly numbers. And if we had left inflation running
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Speaker 6: at the level that Bridget's Party left it, prices today
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Speaker 6: would be seventeen percent higher than they were at the election.
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Speaker 6: Average families will be paying two hundred dollars a week
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Speaker 6: more for their expenses. So inflation has come down a lot.
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Speaker 6: It's absolutely true that it has got further to go,
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Speaker 6: and that's why the government's plan to deliver a prudent
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Speaker 6: budget surplus to pursue fiscal discipline is the right path
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Speaker 6: to help families, to help mortgage.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be hard convincing Australians of that, especially
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Speaker 2: if there is a rate rise, which is now clearly
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Speaker 2: on the table. Just before we go to a break,
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Speaker 2: let's look at the latest on Labor. Senator Fatima Payment.
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Speaker 2: As you know, last night she crossed the floor to
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Speaker 2: support a Green's motion on Gaza. Well, today the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister said during question time in Parliament that he had
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Speaker 2: suspended her from Labor Calcus sessions for the rest of
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Speaker 2: this parliamentary session. Bridget do you think this was a
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Speaker 2: strong enough response from the PM.
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Speaker 5: Look, I'm no fan of the solidarity principles within Labor,
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Speaker 5: but it is fundamental to who they are. You sign up,
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Speaker 5: you have the debate inside with the factions, and once
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Speaker 5: you leave caucus, you're all in the fact that Penny Wong,
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Speaker 5: because of solidarity, had to vote against same sex marriage,
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Speaker 5: against her own principles and conscience I find appalling Josh
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Speaker 5: Burns had to do the same on matters of Israel
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Speaker 5: and Palestine. And yet because this senator, maybe because this
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Speaker 5: senator senator isn't a Christian, maybe because this senator is
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Speaker 5: a female, maybe because this Prime Minister is more concerned
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Speaker 5: about votes in Western Sydney than he is about the
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Speaker 5: principles of solidarity that his own party was built on.
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Speaker 1: She's getting a leaf passed.
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Speaker 5: It is very on brand for Anthony Albanizi to once
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Speaker 5: again demonstrate how absolutely weak he is when he has
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Speaker 5: to make tough decisions that labor leaders before him have
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Speaker 5: had to make.
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Speaker 1: He's squipped it again.
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Speaker 2: It could simply be that he agrees with her. Andrew Charlton,
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Speaker 2: go ahead.
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Speaker 6: I think it's simple than that. I think Fatima payment
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Speaker 6: is in an incredibly difficult situation. Obviously, she is very
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Speaker 6: deeply personally impacted by the crisis in the Middle East.
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Speaker 6: I think most Australians would feel a lot of sympathy
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Speaker 6: for the position that she is in. I don't think
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Speaker 6: that we should be politicizing it in the way that
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Speaker 6: Brigide is politicizing it. She's in a very difficult situation.
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Speaker 5: We all have to make difficult decision with her. I
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Speaker 5: think the whole nature of politics and parliament, you are
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Speaker 5: making difficult decisions and weighing up tensions around every single
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Speaker 5: question that we have to debate in this place. Andrew
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Speaker 5: and to somehow single out this senator as if she's
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Speaker 5: the only one had any personal conflict in a decision
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Speaker 5: they've had to make. I know you've only been here
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Speaker 5: a short time, but that happens regularly, and that's why
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Speaker 5: your party has the principles of solidarity, so you have
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Speaker 5: the fight inside the fact that she's rejected it and
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Speaker 5: ignored it like others who've done.
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Speaker 1: That before her.
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Speaker 5: She should be sacked from the party and go join
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Speaker 5: the Greens.
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Speaker 6: Firstly, ouch on the first term Burn Bridgide, But secondly.
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Speaker 2: Hey, you know he has actually been around his can
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Speaker 2: breath for a very long time. I mean it's not
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Speaker 2: just the gray hairs, but he was running Kevin Rudd's
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Speaker 2: economic about and felt I mean you, I was going
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Speaker 2: to say he was running heaven Rad's economic policy during
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Speaker 2: the global financial crisis. So he's been in the nation's
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Speaker 2: capital for much longer than just one term.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Andrew Charlton.
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Speaker 6: Thank you, Shari. I appreciate that. Look, I think Fatima
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Speaker 6: Payment has made a decision that comes from her conviction.
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Speaker 6: I think that's precisely what you're saying you are looking
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Speaker 6: for in politicians. Bridget She has done that. I think
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Speaker 6: most Australians would sympathize with her position, given her background
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Speaker 6: and given how this issue has affected her so deeply
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Speaker 6: and so personally, and frankly, I don't think we should
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Speaker 6: politicize it beyond.
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Speaker 2: That I'll just give the final word to myself over here,
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Speaker 2: which is that I think she could have expressed some
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Speaker 2: sympathy for the one hundred and twenty innocent Israelis, including
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Speaker 2: babies and children, who are still being held hostage, and
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Speaker 2: for the one thousand and two hundred innocent citizens who
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Speaker 2: were murdered by her muss on the seventh of October.
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Speaker 1: But in all of her.
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Speaker 2: Recent commentary, including the opinion piece that she just wrote
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Speaker 2: in our Jazeira, there was not one mention of hostages
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Speaker 2: and what not, one mention of her mus And you know,
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Speaker 2: you need to as any individual, doesn't matter whether you
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Speaker 2: support Israel or not, but you need to be able
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Speaker 2: to empathize and sympathize and you know, have a place
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Speaker 2: in your heart for all innocent people suffering, and we
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Speaker 2: haven't seen that from her. All right, Andrew Charlton Bridget Mackenzie,
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Speaker 2: thank you both very much for your time. Now, coming
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Speaker 2: up after the break, we're on standby to hear from
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Speaker 2: Julian Assan, who's just touched down in Canberra, and we
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Speaker 2: will bring you the latest news on that. Also, we've
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Speaker 2: got breaking news tonight. A teenager has been arrested after
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Speaker 2: threatening a new South Wales politician's office with knives.
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Speaker 1: I've got that exclusive.
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Speaker 2: Story coming up, plus a freed hostage will join me
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Speaker 2: live from Israel.
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Speaker 1: Stay tuned, Welcome back.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 2: The breaking news tonight is that Julian Assange has touched
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Speaker 2: down on Australian soil.
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Speaker 1: We're waiting to hear from him this evening.
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Speaker 2: We've also heard tonight from the Prime Minister who has
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Speaker 2: said that he's spoken to Julian Assange. He said Sanje said,
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Speaker 2: this is a surreal moment and he's feeling very happy
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Speaker 2: to be back in Australia. We're going to bring you
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Speaker 2: that news as it unfolds. But let's go now to Israel,
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Speaker 2: where it's been nearly nine months since the October seven attacks.
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Speaker 2: There are still over one hundred and twenty Israeli's held
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Speaker 2: hostage by Hermas, waiting to be rescued and returned to
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Speaker 2: their families, whose lives remain in limbo. One of those
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Speaker 2: still trapped in Gaza is Keith Siegel. He along with
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Speaker 2: his wife Aviva, were abducted at gunpoint from their home
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Speaker 2: in Keifar Azar that's a kibbutz near the Gaza border
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Speaker 2: for a while the couple were together, but then they
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Speaker 2: were separated in November when Aviva was released as part
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Speaker 2: of a hostage deal, and she joins me now live
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Speaker 2: from Israel.
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Speaker 1: Aviva, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Look, can you take us back to the moment when
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Speaker 2: you and your husband were captured?
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Speaker 1: What happened that morning?
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Speaker 8: First, I want to say good evening to everybody and
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Speaker 8: thank you for having me and listening to me. It's
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Speaker 8: important for me to tell everybody that it's true because
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Speaker 8: I was there and that Kith, my husband, is still
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Speaker 8: there and I'm waiting for him to come back so badly.
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Speaker 8: My whole body saw. I'm tired of talking and talking
20:31
Speaker 8: and telling people what I went through and thinking about
20:35
Speaker 8: kid being in the same place that I was. We
20:38
Speaker 8: were kidnapped on the seventh of October with our pajamas
20:43
Speaker 8: from a house. We felt that we were secured in
20:46
Speaker 8: her house on keyboots for Raza. Sixty four people were
20:50
Speaker 8: murdered on my keyboots. I know them all. They my friends,
20:54
Speaker 8: and it's very difficult for me to even think about
20:58
Speaker 8: all of that. But the most important thing is that
21:01
Speaker 8: I'm here for Keith. I'm not through what I went through.
21:05
Speaker 1: I'm here for.
21:05
Speaker 8: Keith and all the hostages. We need them back soon
21:09
Speaker 8: as soon as possible, because they're.
21:11
Speaker 3: Going through hell like I did.
21:16
Speaker 8: So we were taken on the seventh from our house.
21:20
Speaker 8: We were in a little room that we thought that
21:22
Speaker 8: was safe, and there were lots of missiles coming from Gaza,
21:27
Speaker 8: so we sat there and we felt that something else
21:30
Speaker 8: different was happening, and it felt like the end of
21:34
Speaker 8: the world. It was very noisy. There were bombs all
21:38
Speaker 8: over from Gaza sent to us, and.
21:42
Speaker 7: We were scared.
21:43
Speaker 8: And in a short while there were fifteen people from
21:48
Speaker 8: Hamas that came into my house, walked, shot my hounds,
21:53
Speaker 8: shooting around Keith and I screaming at us, pushed us
21:58
Speaker 8: and they broke kiths ropes and shot Kit's hand. We
22:02
Speaker 8: arrived to Gaza, keep us bleeding. He was sore, in
22:07
Speaker 8: a complete We were in a complete and activite shock,
22:13
Speaker 8: and I was there for fifty one days.
22:17
Speaker 2: Aviva, thank you for having the courage to speak about this.
22:20
Speaker 2: We can all see how difficult, how traumatic.
22:22
Speaker 7: This is for you.
22:24
Speaker 2: You know, you've described it as hell just then the
22:27
Speaker 2: period that you were held hostage, and you know how
22:31
Speaker 2: horrifying it is knowing that your.
22:33
Speaker 1: Husband Keith is still there.
22:36
Speaker 2: Without re traumatizing you can you tell us just how
22:40
Speaker 2: bad it was having to help be held captive by
22:44
Speaker 2: these terrorists in Gaza.
22:48
Speaker 8: They had no respect for us at all. They didn't
22:52
Speaker 8: even let us feel like we are human. We weren't
22:55
Speaker 8: allowed to talk. We were staffed while they're ate in
22:58
Speaker 8: front of us. We had to beg, beg for water.
23:04
Speaker 8: We had to lie down most of the time for
23:07
Speaker 8: more than seventeen hours of the day and not even move.
23:13
Speaker 8: We weren't allowed to talk. We had to whisper sometimes
23:15
Speaker 8: and sometimes just be quiet, completely quiet. And that was
23:22
Speaker 8: day after day, minute after minute. It was for a
23:25
Speaker 8: long time. I was there for seven weeks and two days.
23:29
Speaker 8: Kit is still there nearly for nine months. Going through that,
23:34
Speaker 8: lying on a mattress with no sheet, with the cushion,
23:39
Speaker 8: without the cover, without being able to have a shower,
23:45
Speaker 8: start lying with nothing to do, nothing at all. You
23:51
Speaker 8: just have to lie down or sit and wait for
23:55
Speaker 8: the time to go by. We were taken and moved
23:59
Speaker 8: thirteen times. I was down ground and I was nearly
24:04
Speaker 8: dead with Keith. They took us down the ground and
24:09
Speaker 8: there was no oxygen at all and we could not breathe.
24:13
Speaker 8: I want everybody that's listening to me just to think
24:15
Speaker 8: about what it could be and what feeling it would
24:19
Speaker 8: be to have no a just lie down and trying
24:22
Speaker 8: to figure out how you're going to take the next breath,
24:26
Speaker 8: and just hoping that Keith won't die before me, or
24:30
Speaker 8: if something what happened to him and I have to
24:33
Speaker 8: look after him, or just see him dead next to me,
24:36
Speaker 8: like so many people in Israel saw on the seventh
24:40
Speaker 8: they killed families, They burned them alive, they raped the
24:45
Speaker 8: mothers in front of their family. Everything is such a
24:50
Speaker 8: brutal way. They used to threaten us all the time.
24:55
Speaker 8: We were starved all the time. One of the times
25:00
Speaker 8: they took the key into the shower and they shaved
25:03
Speaker 8: his whole body and they told him that he needs
25:06
Speaker 8: to shave his intimate place just to make fun of him.
25:10
Speaker 8: After doing that, they just stood and laughed. Kid you
25:14
Speaker 8: sixty four years.
25:15
Speaker 2: Old, Aviva, It's just so horrifying for words, it is
25:21
Speaker 2: so traumatic. I can't thank you enough for having the
25:24
Speaker 2: courage to be on national television here in Australia and
25:28
Speaker 2: speak about that trauma so publicly. We all pray for
25:32
Speaker 2: you that Keith is returned home safely and soon. And
25:36
Speaker 2: we are so sorry for what you and all your
25:39
Speaker 2: fellow Israelis are going through. We talk about you on
25:42
Speaker 2: this program every single night. We fight for the hostages
25:46
Speaker 2: and remember them, and we won't forget. We will keep
25:48
Speaker 2: it in the public eye. Aviva Siegel, thank you very
25:51
Speaker 2: much for sharing your story this evening.
25:54
Speaker 5: I need and need and need your help.
25:56
Speaker 8: I need anybody's help that could bring you and past
25:59
Speaker 8: just as we are desperate. I'm begging anybody that can.
26:05
Speaker 2: We'll do everything we can to keep it in the
26:08
Speaker 2: new cycle in the public's mind.
26:10
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. It's so dramatic.
26:12
Speaker 2: It's so important to keep hearing those stories and not
26:16
Speaker 2: to forget that this is happening now, because we just
26:19
Speaker 2: hear from our politicians mostly criticism of Israel, not of Hermas,
26:24
Speaker 2: even though there are still innocent citizens, including baby Kafir,
26:29
Speaker 2: who are still being held there. All right, the impact
26:33
Speaker 2: of social media on teenagers is a major political issue
26:36
Speaker 2: right now. The evidence is mounting that there are serious
26:40
Speaker 2: dangers for teenagers online, from mental health to cyberbullying and
26:44
Speaker 2: sexual grooming. Even the United States surgeon in general wants
26:47
Speaker 2: to have warning labels on social media apps, just like
26:51
Speaker 2: cigarette packaging. He says, this is the greatest public health
26:56
Speaker 2: issue of our time, Yet many parents inevitably to come
27:00
Speaker 2: to peer pressure and give their teenagers smartphones.
27:03
Speaker 1: Before they feel that they're ready.
27:06
Speaker 2: Well, I'm joined now by one mother who's trying to
27:09
Speaker 2: change this. Amy Friedlander, is the co founder of the
27:13
Speaker 2: new initiative weight Mate. It's a movement to empower parents
27:17
Speaker 2: to delay smartphones for their children until they're at least
27:21
Speaker 2: in high school. And Amy, a mum of three herself,
27:25
Speaker 2: joins me. Now, Amy, welcome to the program. Such a
27:28
Speaker 2: big news night tonight as well. Can you tell us
27:31
Speaker 2: a bit about the initiative? What is weight mate and
27:34
Speaker 2: how does it work?
27:35
Speaker 1: Thank you, Shary.
27:36
Speaker 6: Sure.
27:37
Speaker 9: So, Look, as you said, this is one of the
27:38
Speaker 9: biggest issues of our time. We're seeing terrible mental health
27:42
Speaker 9: outcomes for teens, and the truth is it can be
27:45
Speaker 9: really hard for parents to not give their kid a smartphone,
27:48
Speaker 9: especially if their child is the only one without. And
27:52
Speaker 9: so what we're trying to do with weight mate is
27:55
Speaker 9: kind of get communities to stand together because parents can
27:58
Speaker 9: have strength in numbers. We've designed a pledge. People can
28:02
Speaker 9: visit our website and they can pledge to delay giving
28:06
Speaker 9: a smartphone to their child until at least high school
28:09
Speaker 9: is seven or eight or year nine later the better,
28:13
Speaker 9: and in doing so can stand stronger with their cohort.
28:17
Speaker 9: Now this is significant because in being connected with other
28:21
Speaker 9: parents who do the same in your child's specific class,
28:25
Speaker 9: you really have the opportunity to hold off and not
28:28
Speaker 9: give in and stand strong in your boundary. We know
28:31
Speaker 9: this is not good for our kids, but the pull
28:33
Speaker 9: at the moment is really, you know, quite strong.
28:37
Speaker 1: We want kids to be kids for longer.
28:39
Speaker 9: We want to slow down this growing up and give
28:42
Speaker 9: children the nourishing, play based childhood that they deserve.
28:47
Speaker 2: So we're seeing politicians at the moment like Peter Dutton
28:50
Speaker 2: and the South Australian Premier Peter mallanaskus put on the
28:53
Speaker 2: table the concept of actually banning social media apps until
28:57
Speaker 2: children are say fourteen or.
28:59
Speaker 1: Sixteen years years old.
29:00
Speaker 2: But this is a slightly different concept because this puts
29:04
Speaker 2: it back in the hands of parents and it's not
29:06
Speaker 2: just social media, but it's the whole smartphone exactly.
29:10
Speaker 1: Shary.
29:10
Speaker 9: Now, it's wonderful to see these initiatives and the advocacy
29:14
Speaker 9: that's happening to delay social media. But the reality is
29:18
Speaker 9: that smartphones are the gateway to these apps, and we're
29:23
Speaker 9: seeing the harm that they're causing. So while we totally
29:26
Speaker 9: applaud and support all the work being done at a
29:29
Speaker 9: government level, and I am so relieved on a personal level,
29:32
Speaker 9: it's not enough. And we also can't wait for those
29:36
Speaker 9: things to pass and for the technology to get sorted
29:39
Speaker 9: to work out how do we actually verify that this
29:41
Speaker 9: person is sixteen and then they're just lying about their
29:44
Speaker 9: age when they sign up. So yeah, look, it's really
29:47
Speaker 9: important to not just kind of have that coming from
29:50
Speaker 9: a legal standpoint, but to also ensure that children are
29:53
Speaker 9: not walking around with the Internet in their pockets. Smartphones
29:57
Speaker 9: are designed to be incredibly addictive. Some developers refer to
30:01
Speaker 9: this as brain hacking, because literally they've looked into the
30:05
Speaker 9: psychology of what gets people to keep coming back for more.
30:10
Speaker 9: And I'm sure many adults can relate to the fact
30:12
Speaker 9: that we know how addictive it is exactly, And so
30:15
Speaker 9: for a child whose brain is not fully developed, where
30:18
Speaker 9: the pre frontal cortex is still you know, in development,
30:22
Speaker 9: it's even more harmful.
30:25
Speaker 1: To have that in their pocket. And really it's the
30:27
Speaker 1: opportunity cost.
30:28
Speaker 9: What else would this child be doing if they weren't
30:31
Speaker 9: continually checking a phone. And even without social media, the
30:34
Speaker 9: phone itself, there's internet, it's the Internet in their pocket.
30:38
Speaker 9: As I said, YouTube, etc. All of these things have
30:41
Speaker 9: no place in primary school.
30:44
Speaker 2: Just before you go a lot of parents want their
30:46
Speaker 2: kids to have a phone because they're worried about security
30:50
Speaker 2: concerns and when their kids in their early teens are
30:53
Speaker 2: starting to be a bit independent, it gives the parents
30:55
Speaker 2: comfort knowing that they can be contacted.
30:58
Speaker 9: You know what's the argument the look that's very valid
31:02
Speaker 9: and we are not against children being able to communicate
31:05
Speaker 9: with parents. We're against children having pokeys in their pockets
31:09
Speaker 9: and a smartphone device. On our website we have resources
31:13
Speaker 9: to recommend for parents various other devices, dumb phones, smart watches,
31:17
Speaker 9: GPS trackers, there's so many other options that can still
31:21
Speaker 9: give your child independence.
31:22
Speaker 1: A dumb phone or a smart watch. That's a good answer.
31:26
Speaker 1: So if people want to find out more, they can
31:28
Speaker 1: head to wait.
31:29
Speaker 2: Mate dot org dot au. Parents can sign up to
31:31
Speaker 2: the pledge. This is now going to be a big movement.
31:34
Speaker 2: We're bringing the news here first, but it is going
31:36
Speaker 2: to be in the media in the coming days and
31:39
Speaker 2: weeks ahead.
31:40
Speaker 9: Absolutely, and parents will be connected when at least ten
31:43
Speaker 9: in their cohort pledge, they will have strength in numbers.
31:46
Speaker 9: They will be connected with those parents and able to
31:48
Speaker 9: hold off until at least high school.
31:50
Speaker 3: We hope.
31:51
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on this am.
31:52
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's going to be very popular with a
31:54
Speaker 2: lot of parents because it does take the peer pressure
31:57
Speaker 2: off the table.
31:57
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining us.
31:59
Speaker 9: Thank you.
32:00
Speaker 2: Now, let's get back to our breaking news tonight that
32:03
Speaker 2: Julian Assange has landed in Canberra. We heard from the
32:06
Speaker 2: Prime Minister a little earlier. He confirmed that he was
32:09
Speaker 2: the first person Julian Assange spoke to on his arrival
32:13
Speaker 2: in Camber tonight, Alberizi described it as a warm discussion.
32:17
Speaker 2: He said it was a surreal and happy moment for
32:20
Speaker 2: the newly freed Julian Assange. The PM couldn't help but
32:24
Speaker 2: take a bit of credit for the release, or full
32:26
Speaker 2: credit rather for the release. He said he'd raised the
32:29
Speaker 2: case personally with the United States President Joe Biden, and
32:32
Speaker 2: he gave his own government a pat on the back,
32:35
Speaker 2: but he wouldn't answer whether what Assange did was actually
32:40
Speaker 2: wrong or right. He was repeatedly asked the question about
32:44
Speaker 2: his view on Assinge's publication of national security documents a
32:48
Speaker 2: document dump. He wouldn't respond to that. He just said
32:52
Speaker 2: that there was no ongoing purpose for his continued incarceration.
32:57
Speaker 2: Let's bring in now Jeffrey Robinson, international human rights lawyer
33:01
Speaker 2: who has worked with and fought for Assandra's release for
33:06
Speaker 2: many years. Now, Jeffrey joins US Live. Thank you so
33:10
Speaker 2: much for your time.
33:12
Speaker 3: Good morning.
33:14
Speaker 1: How happy are you this evening? Jeffrey Robertson, Well.
33:18
Speaker 7: It's pretasy to see him safe and free from the
33:22
Speaker 7: illness that has plagued him in the top security prison
33:27
Speaker 7: where he's been for five years. And he's back, and
33:33
Speaker 7: I think he joins the group of Australian journalists who
33:38
Speaker 7: have prodded at power and have exposed military secrets. They
33:44
Speaker 7: begin with your proprietor, your proprietor's father, Keith Murdoch, who
33:50
Speaker 7: exposed the British Army deliberately, and then of course we've
33:55
Speaker 7: had Phil Knightly and Murray's Sale and Pilger. We may
34:01
Speaker 7: have Sherry Markson in that pantheon on of people journalists,
34:08
Speaker 7: commentators and so on who expose truths about what is happening.
34:14
Speaker 7: So for that reason, I think it's good that he's back.
34:20
Speaker 7: I'd point out an answer or the answer that mister
34:23
Speaker 7: alban Easy might have given. Kevin Rudd gave it some
34:27
Speaker 7: years ago that the material that he published was never
34:31
Speaker 7: top secret. That's the classification that is required if lives
34:37
Speaker 7: are going to be a risk for disclosure. The material
34:41
Speaker 7: that he published was not in that category. So the idea,
34:46
Speaker 7: and indeed the judge said yesterday all this morning time
34:52
Speaker 7: is getting a little mixed. But the judge in sentencing
34:55
Speaker 7: him said that there was no physical harm resulting from
35:00
Speaker 7: his work.
35:02
Speaker 2: So although of course they could have although of course
35:07
Speaker 2: there was no reduction of names, and there could have
35:11
Speaker 2: been physical harm done. Lives were put at risk, there
35:15
Speaker 2: was concern that sources were exposed. But not to get
35:19
Speaker 2: back into that argument now, Jeffrey robertson what do you
35:22
Speaker 2: expect Julian Assange will do now.
35:24
Speaker 1: That he's free in Australia. Does the intention work in
35:28
Speaker 1: a journalists.
35:29
Speaker 7: Speak, Cherry, He's going to make a speech at first
35:34
Speaker 7: microphone that's put in his direction he will speak usually
35:39
Speaker 7: as I recall for a long time, I recall looking
35:42
Speaker 7: at my watch as he went on. But I hope
35:46
Speaker 7: his minders have reminded him that the public's ability to
35:53
Speaker 7: take in what he says is limited, and I hope
35:56
Speaker 7: he'll confine himself to the important thing about his case,
36:02
Speaker 7: which was that the Obama people, and I knew, very
36:06
Speaker 7: high up Obama people, said we don't want him. We
36:10
Speaker 7: think he's covered by the First Amendment, which is the
36:13
Speaker 7: great security for Americans or for writing for American papers.
36:19
Speaker 7: But then the Trump lawyers, in bringing this case against him,
36:23
Speaker 7: developed a new theory that he didn't get his protection
36:27
Speaker 7: because he was an Australian, so he only protected Americans.
36:32
Speaker 7: And of course there are journalists around the world, many
36:36
Speaker 7: from Britain who write about the Pentagon, write about American
36:42
Speaker 7: military endeavors, not all of them satisfactory, and so.
36:48
Speaker 1: Met Jeffrey one about a scientists.
36:51
Speaker 7: But it would have taken years, what about his lett
36:54
Speaker 7: It would have gone to the Supreme Court. So he's
36:57
Speaker 7: really wise, I think to take this clean bargain. As
37:02
Speaker 7: David Hicks, you remember, yeah, I can.
37:05
Speaker 2: Hear, I can hear your phone is going off there.
37:08
Speaker 2: Everyone's trying to contact you because this is a big
37:10
Speaker 2: news day. Just before you go, Jeffrey Robertson, do you
37:14
Speaker 2: expect that Julina Sande will want to now work as
37:17
Speaker 2: a journalist?
37:17
Speaker 1: Does he intend to get a job.
37:22
Speaker 7: I don't know what Julian will do, but I think
37:25
Speaker 7: he needs some rest and recreation, maybe go back to
37:30
Speaker 7: where he was born on Magnetic Island, but he will.
37:36
Speaker 7: I think he's a very pleasant and erudite man. And
37:42
Speaker 7: it may be that self taught or to that act.
37:47
Speaker 7: It may be that you'll write either an autobiography or
37:52
Speaker 7: get into philosophy of some kind. But his insight into
37:58
Speaker 7: international affairs was always considerable.
38:01
Speaker 2: And I think, well, you think he would have had
38:04
Speaker 2: it enough time by now to write an autobiography is
38:07
Speaker 2: if he hasn't written one over the past fourteen years,
38:09
Speaker 2: And I tell you what, he's just wasted his time.
38:12
Speaker 1: But Jeffrey Robertson, always a delight to have you on
38:15
Speaker 1: the program. Thank you very much, such a charmer.
38:17
Speaker 2: So coming up after the break, we're on standby to
38:20
Speaker 2: hear from the wikileagu's founder Julian A. Sane, who has
38:24
Speaker 2: tonight touchdown in camera stay tuned. Well, it's been a
38:31
Speaker 2: massive night of breaking news, and what I'm about to
38:34
Speaker 2: tell you was originally going to be at the start
38:36
Speaker 2: of my show tonight because it is big news. A
38:38
Speaker 2: nineteen year old has been arrested by New South Wales
38:41
Speaker 2: police with multiple knives outside a labor politician's office. We
38:46
Speaker 2: broke this story on skynews dot com this evening. The
38:49
Speaker 2: teenager was reading aloud a two hundred page manifesto where
38:54
Speaker 2: he vowed to commit a mass killing.
38:56
Speaker 1: He was also live streaming this as.
38:59
Speaker 2: He stood outside the office of a state labor politician.
39:03
Speaker 2: The terrifying manifesto, which included some anti submitic content, was
39:07
Speaker 2: sent to a number of high profile figures in the
39:10
Speaker 2: media and politics today. Police were immediately notified. I was
39:15
Speaker 2: one of those who received this manifesto and it was
39:18
Speaker 2: highly alarming. In it, the nineteen year old said he
39:21
Speaker 2: was involved in chat groups where terror threats had been made,
39:25
Speaker 2: and he described how to make a bomb and detailed
39:28
Speaker 2: in graphic terms his deathly intent. Counter Terrorism police are
39:33
Speaker 2: now investigating both the incident and the manifesto. The nineteen
39:38
Speaker 2: year old has been arrested his in custody. New Southwal's
39:41
Speaker 2: police confirmed he was arrested at twelve thirty today. The
39:46
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph has reported that it wasn't just knives that
39:50
Speaker 2: he had on him, but also a bulletproof vest. Now
39:53
Speaker 2: we can confirm the politician was new Southeale's labor MP
39:57
Speaker 2: Tim Krackenthorpe, and he told us I understand that there
40:01
Speaker 2: was an incident in Newcastle today. I've spoken with police
40:04
Speaker 2: and they are managing the situation and have assured me
40:07
Speaker 2: that nobody was harmed. I've been advised that the individual
40:10
Speaker 2: briefly walked in and out of my office. So that
40:14
Speaker 2: is the story that unfolded today and we have to
40:17
Speaker 2: thank the police for their quick response. It was very
40:21
Speaker 2: reassuring to know that they got it under control.
40:24
Speaker 1: So quickly. Let's bring in now the director.
40:26
Speaker 2: Of Headline Advisory and Scott Morrison's former media advisor, Andrew Carswell. Andrew,
40:32
Speaker 2: I want to get your response first to the big
40:34
Speaker 2: news tonight, the Prime Minister's comments about Assane who is
40:37
Speaker 2: now back on Australian soil.
40:41
Speaker 10: Yeah, Charlie was pretty gripping viewing tonight. No matter what
40:44
Speaker 10: you think of Julian Massange, you couldn't take your eyes
40:47
Speaker 10: off the screen tonight. And it's been a long running
40:50
Speaker 10: saga which has finally ended. That's pretty tortuous chapter. And
40:56
Speaker 10: Julian is home. I'm pretty uncomfortable. I'm happy that he is.
41:00
Speaker 10: I think he's served his time, but I'm pretty uncomfortable
41:03
Speaker 10: with the fact that he has been given a heroes welcome.
41:07
Speaker 10: This is not a man that deserves the glorification that
41:09
Speaker 10: he is getting. This is a man, by his own account,
41:13
Speaker 10: by his own confession, even in the last twenty four hours,
41:17
Speaker 10: that he is a convicted traitor under the Espionage Act.
41:21
Speaker 10: This is a man of deeply flawed character. And remembering
41:25
Speaker 10: too that this is a man that's stood accused of
41:28
Speaker 10: a rape and a sexual assault in Sweden. He's not
41:31
Speaker 10: a man that deserves glorification.
41:34
Speaker 2: Now, I just want to ask your reaction to this incident. Today,
41:37
Speaker 2: a teenager sent a terrorism manifesto to people in the media,
41:41
Speaker 2: including myself. He was then arrested outside the office of
41:45
Speaker 2: a State Labor and p We're going to show you
41:46
Speaker 2: that vision right now while we speak.
41:50
Speaker 1: Andrew.
41:51
Speaker 2: This is concerning It does feel like there is a
41:55
Speaker 2: volatile climate at the moment. There was some anti Semitic
41:58
Speaker 2: content in that manifes Esto.
42:02
Speaker 10: We're seeing more and more of these incidents shari and
42:05
Speaker 10: it is troubling. And what is mostly troubling here is
42:08
Speaker 10: the age of the alleged perpetrators here. They're getting younger
42:12
Speaker 10: and younger, and it's clearly a case of senior people
42:18
Speaker 10: within their own community whispering in their ear is getting
42:22
Speaker 10: them to this stage where they will commit these acts.
42:25
Speaker 10: It is deeply troubling. But it's also you get the
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Speaker 10: sense that the temperature is still hot in this debate
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Speaker 10: and it's not being helped by politicians in both at
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Speaker 10: both federal level and state level that are not taking
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Speaker 10: the temperature down on these issues of race and religion,
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Speaker 10: particularly when it comes to antisemitism, and not enough is
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Speaker 10: being said to bring down that temperature, and we're seeing
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Speaker 10: time and time again these instants crop up.
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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree.
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Speaker 2: I think the main message from the Prime Minister should
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Speaker 2: be that whatever your view on this conflict is, we
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Speaker 2: can't bring the hatred to Australia. That is clear nearly
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Speaker 2: what the message should be, and there should have been
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Speaker 2: tough law enforcement right from the start, right from those
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Speaker 2: Opera House protests on October the ninth, that this is
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Speaker 2: not on, that we can't see this sort of aggression
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Speaker 2: on our streets. Andrew Carswell, I apologize it was so
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Speaker 2: short tonight. It has been a big night of breaking news.
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Speaker 2: We'll have you back on as always next week. Thank
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Speaker 2: you everyone for your time tonight. I'll see you tomorrow
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Speaker 2: at eight. And here's Paul Murray.