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- 1:30Speaker 2: On the morning of April eighth, nineteen eighty one, forty
- 1:34Speaker 2: seven year old Weldon Alexander finished his overnight shift at
- 1:37Speaker 2: Cooper Tire in Texarkana, Arkansas. Weldon worked the graveyard shift
- 1:43Speaker 2: from eleven one pm to seven am. He told police
- 1:46Speaker 2: that he clocked out that morning at seven o'clock sharp,
- 1:50Speaker 2: just like he always did, and he took his usual route,
- 1:54Speaker 2: driving down Tennessee Street toward his house, which was just
- 1:57Speaker 2: a few minutes drive away at five oh one Baden Street.
- 2:01Speaker 2: Weldon had to stop and wait for a train, which
- 2:03Speaker 2: added about five minutes to his commute, but he still
- 2:06Speaker 2: arrived home in around fifteen minutes. When he got to
- 2:10Speaker 2: the house, the first thing he noticed was the door.
- 2:13Speaker 2: He saw that the door to the small frame house,
- 2:16Speaker 2: the last house on the left, was open. Weldon said
- 2:20Speaker 2: that normally his fourteen year old daughter, Karen, would already
- 2:23Speaker 2: be awake. The house had a wooden door and a
- 2:26Speaker 2: screen door. Weldon told police that both of those doors
- 2:30Speaker 2: were normally unlocked, and the routine was that Karen would
- 2:33Speaker 2: usually get up around six, she would start getting ready
- 2:36Speaker 2: for school, and by about six thirty she would open
- 2:38Speaker 2: the door so that her dad could get back in
- 2:40Speaker 2: when he came home from work. Karen slept on a
- 2:44Speaker 2: bed in the living room. Gordon, her thirteen year old brother,
- 2:48Speaker 2: usually slept in the back room, but that morning, Weldon
- 2:51Speaker 2: said the door was already open. Inside the house, Karen
- 2:56Speaker 2: was on her bed in the living room. She was
- 2:58Speaker 2: on her back facing up, Her feet were hanging over
- 3:01Speaker 2: the edge. She had been stabbed in the head and throat.
- 3:07Speaker 2: There was a kitchen knife lodged in her eye area.
- 3:11Speaker 2: Someone had attacked her and stabbed her in a frenzy
- 3:14Speaker 2: and the forest of the attack had fractured her skull
- 3:17Speaker 2: and broken her jaw, but she was still alive. Weldon
- 3:22Speaker 2: told police it sounded like Karen was mumbling something, but
- 3:25Speaker 2: he couldn't make out what it was, so he raced
- 3:28Speaker 2: to the landline phone to call nine one one, but
- 3:31Speaker 2: the phone was off the hook. When Weldon looked down,
- 3:35Speaker 2: he saw his son, Gordon, on the kitchen floor near
- 3:38Speaker 2: the phone. Gordon had broken his hip a few months
- 3:42Speaker 2: earlier and been in a wheelchair since then. Whoever attacked
- 3:46Speaker 2: Gordon had thrown him out of the chair and stabbed
- 3:49Speaker 2: him fifteen times in the neck, throat, and hands. Police
- 3:54Speaker 2: later said they believe Gordon rolled into the living room
- 3:57Speaker 2: in his wheelchair in a heroic attempt to fight off
- 4:01Speaker 2: Karen's attacker. Gordon tried to grab the phone and call
- 4:05Speaker 2: for help, and even managed to pick up the receiver,
- 4:09Speaker 2: but the killer got him first. Gordon's throat had been
- 4:12Speaker 2: cut with a dull knife. The news that two children
- 4:17Speaker 2: had been viciously attacked, one dead and one barely clinging
- 4:21Speaker 2: to life inside their own home that morning would throw
- 4:25Speaker 2: this small town, Arkansas neighborhood into a panic. This case
- 4:30Speaker 2: would involve psychics, polygraphs, false confessions, hundreds of tips, and
- 4:36Speaker 2: a case file that would send police going in circles.
- 4:39Speaker 2: For over forty years, I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past
- 4:44Speaker 2: years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone, I've
- 4:47Speaker 2: learned that there's no such thing as a small town
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- 5:19Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Police raced to the
- 6:08Speaker 2: Alexander home to figure out what happened inside that little
- 6:12Speaker 2: house on Baden Street in the College Hill area of Texarkana.
- 6:16Speaker 2: When officers arrived at seven twenty four am, Weldon Alexander
- 6:21Speaker 2: showed them the bloody knife that had been stuck in
- 6:24Speaker 2: Karen's head. In his Panic, he explained he had pulled
- 6:29Speaker 2: the knife out and set it on a nearby bookshelf.
- 6:32Speaker 3: Now, Welden had told police he believed.
- 6:34Speaker 2: That Karen might still be alive, and he was right.
- 6:38Speaker 2: Gordon Alexander was dead on arrival that Karen Alexander was
- 6:42Speaker 2: still breathing. Karen was rushed to Saint Michael's Hospital and
- 6:46Speaker 2: placed in intensive care. Police guarded her room around the
- 6:50Speaker 2: clock because at that moment they believed there was a
- 6:53Speaker 2: chance she might wake up and that she might be
- 6:56Speaker 2: able to identify the killer. While Karen was in that
- 7:00Speaker 2: hospital bed, unable to communicate, officers from the Texarkana Police
- 7:04Speaker 2: Department were already hitting the streets. Police interviewed several of
- 7:08Speaker 2: the Alexander's neighbors, who said that the Alexanders mostly kept
- 7:12Speaker 2: to themselves. The neighbors said they saw the kids riding
- 7:16Speaker 2: bikes occasionally, but they noted they did not see a
- 7:20Speaker 2: lot of visitors coming and going, and it turned out
- 7:23Speaker 2: the Alexander family was pretty complicated. Gordon and Karen's mother,
- 7:27Speaker 2: thirty four year old Vera Alexander, had not been home
- 7:30Speaker 2: at the time of the attack. Four days earlier, Weldon
- 7:34Speaker 2: said he had taken her to Wady Hospital Weldon explained
- 7:38Speaker 2: that Vera was suffering from depression and that he decided
- 7:41Speaker 2: to take her for inpatient treatment after giving her medicine
- 7:44Speaker 2: at home and seeing her black out. So Vera had
- 7:48Speaker 2: been there in the hospital since Sunday night. Weldon told
- 7:51Speaker 2: police that his wife had brain damage and that this
- 7:54Speaker 2: had been confirmed by her doctors. Police later confirmed Vera
- 7:59Speaker 2: was in the hospital during that crucial window of time,
- 8:01Speaker 2: which removed her as a physical suspect in the murders,
- 8:05Speaker 2: but she remained a person who investigators wanted to understand
- 8:09Speaker 2: because the file shows that Vera had made reports to
- 8:12Speaker 2: police before. There were complaints and calls connected to the
- 8:16Speaker 2: Alexander house, calls about dogs running loose, a prowler, a
- 8:21Speaker 2: suspicious person, reports of battery, and allegations from Vera involving
- 8:26Speaker 2: sexual assault. According to police records, on April seventh, nineteen eighty,
- 8:32Speaker 2: about a year before Karen and Gordon were attacked, Vera
- 8:35Speaker 2: had made a rape allegation against a man named Ralph.
- 8:38Speaker 2: Another man, Randy, was also mentioned in the police file
- 8:42Speaker 2: in connection with allegations involving Vera. I'm using only first
- 8:46Speaker 2: names here because neither man was ever charged in connection
- 8:50Speaker 2: with what happened to Karen and Gordon, and there is
- 8:53Speaker 2: no evidence in the file that I've seen that either
- 8:55Speaker 2: man was involved in what happened to the children. According
- 8:59Speaker 2: to the case file, after Vera accused these men of
- 9:03Speaker 2: being involved in alleged sexual assault, both of these men
- 9:06Speaker 2: were later released on bail. So, just to be clear,
- 9:09Speaker 2: these men were never convicted in connection with the alleged rate.
- 9:14Speaker 2: The case notes suggest that after Gordon and Karen were attacked,
- 9:18Speaker 2: police were trying to explore every possible avenue and that
- 9:21Speaker 2: included the history around the family and the possibility that
- 9:25Speaker 2: something from Vera's life had come back to the Alexander home.
- 9:29Speaker 2: Weldon also told police there had been another allegation years
- 9:33Speaker 2: earlier of Vera being sexually assaulted, and that this allegation
- 9:37Speaker 2: involved a family member, but he said there had been
- 9:40Speaker 2: no proof. So from the beginning, when and best instigators
- 9:44Speaker 2: walked into this home on Baden Street, they didn't see
- 9:47Speaker 2: a clean case with one obvious suspect in one obvious motive.
- 9:51Speaker 2: They saw a house with two children attacked in this
- 9:55Speaker 2: unbelievably violent way with a butter knife from the kitchen,
- 10:00Speaker 2: which a police officer later described as a weapon of opportunity.
- 10:04Speaker 2: They also had a mother who was in the hospital,
- 10:07Speaker 2: a dad who was at work on the graveyard shift,
- 10:10Speaker 2: and a family history that gave them several possible directions.
- 10:16Speaker 2: Gordon Alexander, Weldon's son, was thirteen. He had spent his
- 10:20Speaker 2: entire life dealing with medical problems that would have overwhelmed
- 10:24Speaker 2: a lot of adults. According to the reporting in the
- 10:27Speaker 2: case file, Gordon was born with a congenital heart defect
- 10:31Speaker 2: and had open heart surgery as an infant. Later, he
- 10:34Speaker 2: had a stroke that affected his left arm and left leg,
- 10:37Speaker 2: and then just a few weeks before the murders, he
- 10:40Speaker 2: fell and broke his hip. The accident had put Gordon
- 10:44Speaker 2: in a wheelchair, and Weldon told police that since the accident,
- 10:48Speaker 2: Gordon had not been going to school. But despite all that,
- 10:52Speaker 2: people who knew Gordon said that he didn't let his
- 10:55Speaker 2: physical limitations define him. People described him as outgoing, gregarious,
- 11:00Speaker 2: the kind of kid who never met a stranger. He
- 11:03Speaker 2: was popular at school and in his physical therapy program.
- 11:06Speaker 2: His father told police that Gordon dreamed about becoming a
- 11:10Speaker 2: field goal kicker when he grew up. Karen Alexander was fourteenth.
- 11:16Speaker 2: She was an eighth grader at College Hill. Her date
- 11:18Speaker 2: of birth was September twenty eighth, nineteen sixty six. Now,
- 11:22Speaker 2: Karen was described very differently from her brother. Unlike her brother,
- 11:26Speaker 2: Weldon said that Karen had never been sick a day
- 11:30Speaker 2: in her life. Karen was described as shy and soft spoken.
- 11:34Speaker 2: One school official reportedly described her as quiet as a mouse.
- 11:39Speaker 2: Karen loved reading and spelling, and she had recently been
- 11:41Speaker 2: in a spelling beat. Weldon hold a local reporter that
- 11:45Speaker 2: Karen wanted to be a nurse when she grew up,
- 11:48Speaker 2: and following her brother's brutal murder, Karen was the only
- 11:52Speaker 2: living witness. While she was being guarded by police. Investigators
- 11:57Speaker 2: began canvassing the neighborhood, and of course, the police talked
- 12:01Speaker 2: to Weldon Alexander right away. Weldon was distraught. He told
- 12:07Speaker 2: them he had worked at Cooper Tire for more than
- 12:09Speaker 2: sixteen years, and he had worked that same graveyard shift
- 12:12Speaker 2: for about six years. Weldon had a regular routine, like clockwork.
- 12:17Speaker 2: He went to work at the same time and came
- 12:18Speaker 2: home at the same time, with no diversions that morning
- 12:22Speaker 2: except for a few minutes he spent waiting for that train.
- 12:25Speaker 2: Weldon said he last talked to his children around midnight.
- 12:28Speaker 2: He said he had called the house to check on them.
- 12:30Speaker 2: He said that he spoke with Karen, asked whether she
- 12:33Speaker 2: and Gordon were in bed, and asked if everything was okay.
- 12:36Speaker 2: According to Weldon, Karen said they were fine. He told
- 12:39Speaker 2: police while he was on the road that morning, he
- 12:42Speaker 2: didn't notice any unusual people or vehicles on that normal route,
- 12:46Speaker 2: but Weldon did say he had heard people in the
- 12:49Speaker 2: neighborhood talking about a truck that someone had seen in
- 12:52Speaker 2: the yard. Weldon said that when he looked in the yard,
- 12:55Speaker 2: he saw tire tracks there. This detail would become one
- 12:59Speaker 2: of the most crucial ones in the case. There was
- 13:02Speaker 2: no sign of forest entry, but that wasn't super helpful
- 13:05Speaker 2: in this case since neither the wooden door nor the
- 13:08Speaker 2: screen door had been locked, so the killer could have
- 13:11Speaker 2: walked straight in through the unlocked door, or the kids
- 13:15Speaker 2: could have opened the door to someone they knew, among
- 13:17Speaker 2: other possibilities. When she was found on the bed, Karen
- 13:21Speaker 2: was wearing yellow shorts, a blouse, and a bra. Investigators
- 13:26Speaker 2: were trying to build a timeline, and one of the
- 13:28Speaker 2: things they were trying to figure out was Were the
- 13:31Speaker 2: children already awakened dressed for school when they were attacked?
- 13:34Speaker 2: Had they gone to bed in those clothes? At first,
- 13:38Speaker 2: police were working on the theory that the attack on
- 13:41Speaker 2: Karen and Gordon's time of death were sometime around six
- 13:44Speaker 2: forty five am. Police believed that Karen was the original
- 13:48Speaker 2: target of the attack and that her brother was killed
- 13:51Speaker 2: after he came out of the back room to defend her.
- 13:54Speaker 2: So they asked Weldon about Karen's friends and her boyfriend.
- 13:57Speaker 2: Was she dating anyone? Did she have any boyfriends? Had
- 14:00Speaker 2: she ever been raped or assaulted? Weldon told investigators that
- 14:04Speaker 2: to his knowledge, Karen was not dating anyone. He said
- 14:08Speaker 2: she had never been raped or assaulted, and that as
- 14:10Speaker 2: far as he knew, his daughter was a virgin. Now
- 14:14Speaker 2: police didn't say this at the time, but Karen's autops
- 14:17Speaker 2: he had shown that she was vaginally penetrated two to
- 14:20Speaker 2: three days prior to her death. They also asked Weldon
- 14:24Speaker 2: about Gordon. He said Gordon had no problems with anyone
- 14:27Speaker 2: at school or anywhere else. Weldon also talked about the
- 14:32Speaker 2: family history. He told investigators that when Karen was three
- 14:35Speaker 2: and Gordon was about eighteen months old, Vera had whipped
- 14:38Speaker 2: Karen with a belt and left bruises on her face.
- 14:41Speaker 2: According to Weldon, Vera had been a y rested for
- 14:44Speaker 2: assault and battery inside the house. Police were building the
- 14:48Speaker 2: sequence of events from the physical evidence. Gordon was found
- 14:52Speaker 2: on the floor near the telephone. He had been stabbed
- 14:55Speaker 2: many times. He had wounds to his neck, throat, and hands.
- 15:00Speaker 2: The file indicates that when his throat was cut with
- 15:03Speaker 2: that butter knife, that the fatal injury was that massive
- 15:06Speaker 2: wound to his throat. Investigators believed that Gordon heard the
- 15:11Speaker 2: commotion in the living room and rolled his wheelchair out
- 15:15Speaker 2: there and tried to get to the phone because the
- 15:17Speaker 2: receiver of the phone was lifted, but before he could
- 15:20Speaker 2: make that call, the attacker got to him at some point.
- 15:25Speaker 2: This attack was so violent Gordon was pulled from the
- 15:28Speaker 2: chair or knocked out of it. Police also believed that
- 15:32Speaker 2: while he was being beaten and stabbed that he might
- 15:35Speaker 2: have suffered a heart attack. This was a brutal death.
- 15:39Speaker 2: Karen's was as well. She had also been stabbed multiple
- 15:42Speaker 2: times in the head, with additional cuts to the throat area.
- 15:45Speaker 2: As we said before, police had very quickly found their
- 15:48Speaker 2: murder weapon a butter knife from a kitchen drawer in
- 15:51Speaker 2: the Alexander home. The knife had blood on it and
- 15:55Speaker 2: the killer had stabbed the children so hard that it
- 15:58Speaker 2: was bent again. Because Weldon told police that in his
- 16:03Speaker 2: panic and shock, he pulled the knife out of Karen
- 16:06Speaker 2: and put it on shelf.
- 16:08Speaker 3: Any fingerprint that.
- 16:09Speaker 2: Police got off the knife handle might have been compromised,
- 16:12Speaker 2: but they had another potential witness, Karen. She was still
- 16:17Speaker 2: in the hospital fighting for her life. On April tenth,
- 16:21Speaker 2: doctors performed a brain scan on Karen.
- 16:24Speaker 3: It was flat.
- 16:25Speaker 2: Three days after she was taken to the hospital. Her
- 16:28Speaker 2: life support was removed and Karen Alexander died. The case
- 16:33Speaker 2: became a double homicide in the immediate aftermath of a
- 16:48Speaker 2: double homicide that killed two young teenagers. This neighborhood in
- 16:52Speaker 2: Texarcana was terrified. The newspapers called the attacker a throat
- 16:57Speaker 2: slashing assailant. People were leaving porch lights on, parents were afraid.
- 17:02Speaker 2: Everyone tried to help. Weldon's co workers put up one
- 17:05Speaker 2: thousand dollars reward. Volunteers put posters everywhere around town. Even
- 17:10Speaker 2: Gordon's classmates joined in to try to look for clues.
- 17:14Speaker 2: A neighbor of the Alexanders, Miss Hopkins, said she saw
- 17:17Speaker 2: a light blue pickup truck parked in front of the
- 17:20Speaker 2: Alexander house at around three o'clock in the morning. She
- 17:24Speaker 2: told police that at that time, the Alexander's porch light
- 17:27Speaker 2: was on, but the house was dark. Another report placed
- 17:31Speaker 2: a white and powder blue pickup backing out of the
- 17:34Speaker 2: driveway of the Alexander home at around six forty five am.
- 17:39Speaker 2: Now this would appear to be crucial because investigators initially
- 17:42Speaker 2: believed that this could have been close to the time
- 17:45Speaker 2: of the attack, so this truck became a main focus
- 17:48Speaker 2: of the investigation. Police described it as an early nineteen
- 17:53Speaker 2: seventies Chevrolet pickup with a long wheelbase, no tail light,
- 17:56Speaker 2: and a gunrack in the rear window. There was also
- 17:59Speaker 2: reportedly some kind of a sticker on the back window
- 18:02Speaker 2: that referenced cowboys. They wanted to talk to the man
- 18:06Speaker 2: driving it. He was described as clean shaven, wearing a
- 18:09Speaker 2: brown western hat and a black and white snakeskin style
- 18:12Speaker 2: cowboy boots. So that image the blue pickup the man
- 18:16Speaker 2: wearing the cowboy hat and boots kind of took on
- 18:19Speaker 2: a life of its own. Suddenly everyone in Miller County
- 18:22Speaker 2: was looking for this truck. Police got printouts of all
- 18:26Speaker 2: pickup trucks in the county, which I imagine in an Arkansas
- 18:29Speaker 2: county must have been a big job. This included Forde
- 18:33Speaker 2: Chevrolets and GMCs. They even sent teams out at night
- 18:37Speaker 2: to track vehicles and compare them to the witness description.
- 18:40Speaker 2: They looked for anything that could be a match. But
- 18:43Speaker 2: it turned out that there was a problem with that
- 18:46Speaker 2: truck sighting because, according to the case file, an officer
- 18:50Speaker 2: went to Miss hopkins house, the neighbor who said she
- 18:53Speaker 2: had seen the blue pickup truck in the Alexander's driveway.
- 18:56Speaker 2: This officer stood where Miss Hopkins said she had been
- 18:59Speaker 2: standing when she saw the truck. The officer noted in
- 19:02Speaker 2: his report that he was about four inches taller than
- 19:05Speaker 2: she was, and he wrote, even from that angle the
- 19:09Speaker 2: Alexander driveway was partially blocked, it would have been very
- 19:13Speaker 2: hard to see a truck backing out from that angle.
- 19:17Speaker 2: Was the truck really connected to the murders or was
- 19:20Speaker 2: the witness mistaken about what she saw? Was the truck
- 19:24Speaker 2: the killer or could it have been just someone randomly
- 19:26Speaker 2: turning around in a driveway and the truck was not
- 19:30Speaker 2: the only possible lead. Several days before the murders, Karen
- 19:34Speaker 2: had reportedly been seen talking to a man near a
- 19:37Speaker 2: washeteria around East and Hay Street. Another version in the
- 19:41Speaker 2: case file places a similar sighting new the Pigly Wiggly
- 19:44Speaker 2: on East Street. A woman named Lisa came to the
- 19:47Speaker 2: police department and helped create a composite drawing. The man
- 19:51Speaker 2: who Lisa saw Karen talking to was described as white,
- 19:55Speaker 2: between six foot and six foot three, clean shaven, very slender,
- 19:59Speaker 2: with shoulder length brown hair and a prominent nose. Police
- 20:03Speaker 2: said he may have worn a hat with a feather
- 20:06Speaker 2: and boots that were described as black and white or
- 20:08Speaker 2: snakeskin style. Now, the boot description here sounds similar to
- 20:12Speaker 2: the man in the white pickup truck. Was this someone
- 20:16Speaker 2: different or could this have been the same man. Could
- 20:19Speaker 2: the man talking to Karen at the Piggly Wiggily be
- 20:21Speaker 2: the same one who was driving.
- 20:23Speaker 3: The blue truck.
- 20:24Speaker 2: Police distributed the drawing and they got hundreds of calls.
- 20:28Speaker 2: One tip said a man matching the composite had been
- 20:30Speaker 2: seen in a blue work style shirt embroidered with the
- 20:33Speaker 2: name ron or Ronnie. So investigators contacted uniform supply companies.
- 20:39Speaker 2: They tried to get lists of men named Ron or Ronnie. Meanwhile,
- 20:43Speaker 2: they also looked into a relative of Ralph's, the man
- 20:46Speaker 2: whom Vera had claimed allegedly raped her, because this person
- 20:50Speaker 2: had reportedly been at the Pigley Wiggly before the murder.
- 20:56Speaker 2: I don't know how much judgment was baked into the
- 20:59Speaker 2: way that police viewed Vera. This was nineteen eighty one,
- 21:02Speaker 2: and Vera was a woman with documented mental health issues
- 21:05Speaker 2: prior sexual assault allegations and relationships are encounters with men
- 21:10Speaker 2: that investigators were trying to figure out, So it would
- 21:13Speaker 2: be naive to pretend that none of.
- 21:15Speaker 3: That affected how people saw her.
- 21:17Speaker 2: But from an investigative standpoint reading the case file, it
- 21:21Speaker 2: seems as though Vera's involvement with men did increase the
- 21:25Speaker 2: suspect pool because police had to ask who knew Vera,
- 21:28Speaker 2: who knew the house, who might have known Weldon's schedule,
- 21:32Speaker 2: and who might have had access to Karen and Gordon.
- 21:35Speaker 2: While they were looking at men connected to Vera, they
- 21:39Speaker 2: talked to a guy named Ronnie. Now, this man had
- 21:42Speaker 2: been a coworker of Weldon's at Cooper Tire. Ronnie told
- 21:46Speaker 2: police he had met Vera a few years earlier when
- 21:48Speaker 2: she walked over to Cooper Tire. Ronnie said he ended
- 21:51Speaker 2: up giving Vera a ride home. He said while they
- 21:54Speaker 2: were in the car, Vera propositioned him and they ended
- 21:57Speaker 2: up having sex four or five times after that. However,
- 22:00Speaker 2: he said he only had sex with Vera at the
- 22:02Speaker 2: Baden Street home once, and then he hadn't seen her
- 22:05Speaker 2: at all in about two years, he said. On the
- 22:08Speaker 2: morning of the murder, he was home in Atlanta, Texas.
- 22:11Speaker 2: His police cleared Ronnie after speaking to his wife, and
- 22:14Speaker 2: in the end, none of those leads produced an arrest.
- 22:18Speaker 2: The physical evidence pointed investigators toward another idea that the
- 22:23Speaker 2: killer might have worked around heavy machinery. Police found fibers
- 22:27Speaker 2: on the children's clothing and material under their fingernails. They
- 22:31Speaker 2: could see some of the evidence looked like it came
- 22:33Speaker 2: from a laborer or someone around machines, so they started
- 22:37Speaker 2: looking at people who worked in places like alternator shops,
- 22:39Speaker 2: tire shops, cable companies, small engine repair environments, and other
- 22:43Speaker 2: jobs where a person might pick up fibers.
- 22:46Speaker 3: Or metal shavings.
- 22:48Speaker 2: I have to say this police file shows a very
- 22:50Speaker 2: active investigation. Seven detectives reportedly worked twenty four hours a
- 22:55Speaker 2: day for a long time. They interviewed persons of interest,
- 22:58Speaker 2: They gave polygraphs. They looked at men with sexual assault histories.
- 23:02Speaker 2: They talked to people connected to Vera's earlier allegations. They
- 23:05Speaker 2: also looked into a suspect who drove a cable company truck,
- 23:09Speaker 2: someone who had reportedly exposed himself near an Arkansas high school.
- 23:13Speaker 3: After they heard that rumor, they.
- 23:14Speaker 2: Actually checked every single employee of this cable company. They
- 23:18Speaker 2: interviewed them and stated in the report that they were
- 23:20Speaker 2: all cleared. They chased a lot of false leads too.
- 23:25Speaker 2: Police even noted that in one situation, they believed that
- 23:29Speaker 2: a man's own family might have been trying to set
- 23:32Speaker 2: him up for this murder to collect the reward offered
- 23:35Speaker 2: by Weldon's employer, Cooper Tire. Vera remained in the mental
- 23:41Speaker 2: health ward of the hospital for a period of time.
- 23:45Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure how long, but it was for
- 23:48Speaker 2: quite a while, and police were trying to talk to her.
- 23:51Speaker 2: The newspapers later reported that investigators believed Vera might have
- 23:55Speaker 2: known something The Texarcana Police Captain James Coward was quoted
- 24:00Speaker 2: in reports as saying police spent hours and hours trying
- 24:03Speaker 2: to talk to Vera, but they couldn't get any information
- 24:07Speaker 2: they could use, and her mental health made those interviews
- 24:10Speaker 2: very challenging. Vera did give them some names, including the
- 24:15Speaker 2: name of a man who went by Pinky. Investigators found
- 24:18Speaker 2: out this person's real name. They spent a ton of
- 24:20Speaker 2: time tracking him down, only to find that he had
- 24:23Speaker 2: not hung out with Vera in years. According to what
- 24:26Speaker 2: was written in the case file, Vera sometimes seemed to
- 24:29Speaker 2: get the past and the present confused. This man and
- 24:32Speaker 2: others she mentioned were quickly cleared. This is one of
- 24:37Speaker 2: the places where the file kind of becomes heartbreaking in
- 24:40Speaker 2: a different way, because Vera may have been a victim herself,
- 24:44Speaker 2: and from what's got in the case while it does
- 24:46Speaker 2: seem like investigators were communicating with her and she seemed
- 24:49Speaker 2: to be wanting to tell them something, but in the end,
- 24:53Speaker 2: whatever was inside her never became a clean investigative lead.
- 24:58Speaker 2: Then the case started attracting stranger information, including tips from
- 25:04Speaker 2: self described psychics. In December of nineteen eighty one, investigators
- 25:20Speaker 2: spoke with a woman named Sue Vazkez along with her
- 25:22Speaker 2: eleven year old daughter, after they said that this child
- 25:26Speaker 2: had clairvoyant abilities. The officer documenting that interview made a
- 25:30Speaker 2: point of saying he hadn't told miss Vazkez and her
- 25:33Speaker 2: daughter any details about the homicides, but he also noted
- 25:37Speaker 2: that information could have been obtained from newspapers anyway. The
- 25:41Speaker 2: psychics Sue Vazkez told investigators that the killer was a
- 25:44Speaker 2: large man and that he was known to the family.
- 25:47Speaker 2: She said that Alexander family was funny turned, meaning that they.
- 25:51Speaker 3: Kept to themselves.
- 25:52Speaker 2: She also said the killer either worked or had worked
- 25:56Speaker 2: at Cooper Tire in Texarcana. Police were seeming to consider
- 26:00Speaker 2: the fact that the killer could have been someone from
- 26:02Speaker 2: Cooper Tire. After all, if someone was a colleague of Weldon's,
- 26:06Speaker 2: then presumably they could have known his routine and when
- 26:09Speaker 2: he would be home, which means they might have known
- 26:12Speaker 2: that the children were there alone. On April sixteenth, nineteen
- 26:17Speaker 2: eighty one, investigators R. W. Neil and Bill Sullivan searched
- 26:20Speaker 2: Weldon's workplace at Cooper Tire, in the welding shop, where
- 26:24Speaker 2: there was metal tool and die machinery. They collected metal
- 26:27Speaker 2: shavings and entered them into evidence in nineteen eighty three,
- 26:31Speaker 2: the case took another turn, one that happened to quite
- 26:35Speaker 2: a few cold cases from that era. Henry Lee Lucas,
- 26:39Speaker 2: the infamous serial killer who has claimed responsibility for hundreds
- 26:42Speaker 2: of murders, many of which it has been proven he
- 26:45Speaker 2: did not commit confess to the Alexander murders. However, police
- 26:50Speaker 2: later reported there was no evidence tying him to these crimes, physical, circumstantial,
- 26:54Speaker 2: or otherwise, and he was never charged in connection with
- 26:57Speaker 2: Gordon and Karen's deaths. All Henry Lee Lucas did in
- 27:01Speaker 2: the end was waste police time. In nineteen eighty one,
- 27:05Speaker 2: investigators requested that the case file be labeled inactive and
- 27:09Speaker 2: after the headlines surrounding the Lucas confessions, for which again
- 27:13Speaker 2: there was never any proof that Alexander case disappeared from headlines.
- 27:17Speaker 2: But for a lot of people in Texarcana, including one
- 27:20Speaker 2: person in particular, this case never went away. Captain Calvin Seward,
- 27:26Speaker 2: whose daughter had attended school with Karen Alexander, first worked
- 27:30Speaker 2: the case as a patrol officer in nineteen eighty one.
- 27:33Speaker 2: Decades later, he would say that he kept a picture
- 27:37Speaker 2: of Karen and Gordon above his desk. He would look
- 27:39Speaker 2: at it and then be inspired to go back into
- 27:42Speaker 2: the case files. In twenty twenty two, there was another
- 27:46Speaker 2: dramatic turn of events in this case because the now
- 27:50Speaker 2: retired Texarkana Police Captain Calvin Seward announced that he was
- 27:54Speaker 2: going to be leading a new investigation into the Alexander murders.
- 27:58Speaker 2: The case file went from inactive to very active. Over
- 28:02Speaker 2: the next year and a half, Captain Seward reinterviewed dozens
- 28:06Speaker 2: of people. He also teamed up with a forensic criminologist
- 28:10Speaker 2: named doctor Todd Stephie, a DNA scientist from the Arkansas
- 28:13Speaker 2: State Crime Lab, Kelly Dixon, and others. They took a
- 28:16Speaker 2: new look at the physical evidence and realized they had
- 28:19Speaker 2: tools that the nineteen eighty one investigators did not have.
- 28:23Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, they extracted DNA from fingernail tissue
- 28:27Speaker 2: from both Karen and Gordon Alexander. The profiles were entered
- 28:31Speaker 2: into CODIS, which stands for Combined DNA Index System. This
- 28:35Speaker 2: is the software program manned by the FBI, the one
- 28:38Speaker 2: that allows state and local forensic labs to compare DNA
- 28:41Speaker 2: profiles nationally. Investigators also revisited evidence from the scene and
- 28:46Speaker 2: from Karen's betting, and this new testing produced a result
- 28:51Speaker 2: that changed everything.
- 28:53Speaker 3: But let me back up a minute.
- 28:55Speaker 2: A lot of headlines have said this case was cracked
- 28:57Speaker 2: through DNA, and that's partially true, but the first real
- 29:01Speaker 2: crack in this case came from something very low tech,
- 29:05Speaker 2: a single line in the original case Faule. For decades,
- 29:09Speaker 2: one of the strongest reasons to look away from the
- 29:12Speaker 2: people closest to the children was timing, because detectives in
- 29:15Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one thought the murders happened later in the
- 29:18Speaker 2: morning before Weldon said he got home from work. That
- 29:22Speaker 2: made his work shift look like a strong alibi, because
- 29:26Speaker 2: if the children were attacked around six forty five am,
- 29:29Speaker 2: Weldon would have been clocking out at Cooper Tire and
- 29:32Speaker 2: he had been seen by co workers. Investigators even tested
- 29:36Speaker 2: that timing in nineteen eighty one. They left Cooper Tire
- 29:39Speaker 2: when Weldon would have left, checked the clock out time
- 29:42Speaker 2: drove the route to the Alexander Homme factored in that train.
- 29:45Speaker 2: They tested the drive at thirty and thirty five miles
- 29:48Speaker 2: an hour, and they determined that at most Weldon had
- 29:52Speaker 2: about eight minutes between leaving Cooper Tire and getting home.
- 29:55Speaker 2: Eight minutes was not enough time to do what had
- 29:58Speaker 2: been done in that house. So after that the investigation
- 30:02Speaker 2: moved outward toward the pickup truck and the mystery man
- 30:05Speaker 2: in the cowboy boots. But when Captain Seward went back
- 30:08Speaker 2: through the case file, he saw a sentence where one
- 30:12Speaker 2: of the investigators who found Gordon's body said that the
- 30:15Speaker 2: boy's body.
- 30:16Speaker 3: Was cold to the touch.
- 30:18Speaker 2: Now that meant the time of death might be wrong,
- 30:21Speaker 2: and that the attack probably did not happen at around
- 30:23Speaker 2: six forty five am, because it takes around twelve hours,
- 30:27Speaker 2: give or take for a body to be cold to
- 30:28Speaker 2: the touch. If Gordon and Karen had been killed minutes
- 30:32Speaker 2: before their dad got home, as it had been suggested
- 30:34Speaker 2: for decades, Gordon's body would not have been cold, which
- 30:39Speaker 2: meant Gordon must have been killed much earlier than initially thought.
- 30:43Speaker 2: And if that was the case, then everything from the
- 30:46Speaker 2: night before became the crucial time period, which meant Weldon's
- 30:50Speaker 2: alibi that had shaped the case for forty years fell apart.
- 30:55Speaker 2: Now investigators were looking hard at the grieving father who
- 30:58Speaker 2: had been so distraught after finding his children murdered in
- 31:02Speaker 2: his living room. Weldon Alexander in addition to the DNA
- 31:07Speaker 2: from Karen and Gordon's fingernails, police were also retesting Karen's betting.
- 31:12Speaker 2: Authorities later said this new testing suggested there was a
- 31:15Speaker 2: familial relationship in the fingernail tissue, and further analysis found
- 31:20Speaker 2: traces of Weldon Seamen on Karen's betting. Additional forensic evidence
- 31:25Speaker 2: from dried blood on the children's hands contained fibers and
- 31:28Speaker 2: elemental materials, including bryce, copper, and zinc. This was a
- 31:32Speaker 2: combination of materials that were reportedly consistent with the environment
- 31:35Speaker 2: at Cooper Tire where Weldon worked. Police had executed a
- 31:40Speaker 2: search warrm on Cooper Tire way back in nineteen eighty one.
- 31:43Speaker 2: They looked at the materials they gathered there in a
- 31:46Speaker 2: whole new light. Police felt confident they knew who the
- 31:50Speaker 2: killer was and he had been there all along. On
- 31:57Speaker 2: October nineteenth, twenty twenty three, the Texarkana, Arkansas Police Chief
- 32:01Speaker 2: Michael Cram held a news conference, more than forty two
- 32:05Speaker 2: years after Karen and Gordon Alexander were attacked and brutally murdered.
- 32:10Speaker 2: Authorities announced they had identified a sole suspect, Weldon Alexander,
- 32:15Speaker 2: but he would never stand trial because Weldon Alexander had
- 32:19Speaker 2: died in twenty fourteen. Miller County prosecuting attorney Connie Mitchell
- 32:24Speaker 2: later wrote that, in her opinion, Weldon Alexander was the
- 32:28Speaker 2: sole viable suspect. She believed probable cause existed for two
- 32:32Speaker 2: counts of capital murder, but since Weldon was dead.
- 32:36Speaker 3: No warrant could be issued.
- 32:39Speaker 2: When police initially questioned Weldon in nineteen eighty one, they
- 32:42Speaker 2: had described him as as a quote passive, stoic man
- 32:46Speaker 2: with excellent impulse control end quote. They noted he had
- 32:49Speaker 2: no history of violence or criminal record, he had a
- 32:52Speaker 2: steady job, and they didn't have a reason to suspect
- 32:55Speaker 2: he was lying. Now investigators had a new theory. The
- 32:59Speaker 2: theory is that Weldon attacked Karen before leaving for work,
- 33:03Speaker 2: and Gordon came in and tried to rescue his sister.
- 33:07Speaker 2: When Gordon tried to get to the phone, investigators believe
- 33:11Speaker 2: Weldon attacked him and stabbed him. Then he turned on
- 33:15Speaker 2: his daughter and also stabbed her in a vicious frenzy
- 33:18Speaker 2: before pulling the butter knife out and placing it on
- 33:20Speaker 2: that bookshelf. Then, according to that theory, Weldon went to work,
- 33:25Speaker 2: completed his shift as normal, came home and presented himself
- 33:29Speaker 2: as the father who had discovered the crime scene. Once
- 33:33Speaker 2: the case was officially closed, we were able to foia
- 33:36Speaker 2: the case file, and we were able to see a
- 33:39Speaker 2: lot of clues that had been there from the beginning,
- 33:41Speaker 2: including the fact that the original file suggested the attacker
- 33:44Speaker 2: had taken his time inside the home and had used
- 33:47Speaker 2: a washcloth to wipe down the countertop and sink and
- 33:51Speaker 2: wash the blood off his hands in the kitchen sink.
- 33:54Speaker 2: Captain Seward said he was surprised by the conclusion of
- 33:58Speaker 2: the investigation because the information that detectives had back in
- 34:02Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one about time of death seemed to rule
- 34:05Speaker 2: Welden out. But after over four decades, he said at
- 34:09Speaker 2: a press conference, he felt like a load had been
- 34:12Speaker 2: taken off his shoulders, which I can understand because now
- 34:15Speaker 2: everyone in the community knows who did this, and there
- 34:18Speaker 2: is probably some relief in knowing that this person is
- 34:21Speaker 2: gone and they aren't out there hurting other people. But
- 34:25Speaker 2: it's also tragic because, as the prosecuting attorney said, there
- 34:28Speaker 2: is no earthly justice.
- 34:30Speaker 3: Weldon is dead.
- 34:32Speaker 2: There's no moment when Weldon Alexander will ever have to
- 34:34Speaker 2: sit in a courtroom while the evidence is read aloud.
- 34:38Speaker 2: In my opinion, this case is a perfect example of
- 34:41Speaker 2: how old cases can still be solved. In nineteen eighty one,
- 34:45Speaker 2: even if police had suspected Weldon, the forensic testing they
- 34:49Speaker 2: could do was much more limited, and Weldon's fingerprints in
- 34:53Speaker 2: the house would not have been surprising because he lived there,
- 34:56Speaker 2: and he even had an explanation for why his fingerprints
- 34:59Speaker 2: were on the knife.
- 35:00Speaker 3: He said he had pulled.
- 35:01Speaker 2: It out of Karen in a panic, and at the
- 35:03Speaker 2: time detectives couldn't prove otherwise. But this case, to me,
- 35:06Speaker 2: is also an example of something else, the fact that
- 35:09Speaker 2: technology alone does not solve the case. You need a
- 35:13Speaker 2: dedicated investigator to go back and look again, look at
- 35:16Speaker 2: everything they thought they knew about the case, and figure
- 35:18Speaker 2: out where they went wrong, including asking one of the
- 35:21Speaker 2: most basic questions, what if the time of death was wrong?
- 35:26Speaker 3: It's obvious from reading the case.
- 35:27Speaker 2: While the original investigators cared a lot about getting justice
- 35:30Speaker 2: for the Alexander children. They interviewed a lot of people,
- 35:33Speaker 2: they ruled a lot of people out, They did a
- 35:36Speaker 2: lot of legwork, and crucially, they did a great job
- 35:39Speaker 2: of collecting evidence that would help solve this case decades later.
- 35:44Speaker 3: But back in nineteen eighty one.
- 35:45Speaker 2: Since the time of death was wrong, everything else followed
- 35:48Speaker 2: a faulty premise. In twenty twenty two, once the investigation
- 35:53Speaker 2: accepted a later time of death, Weldon became much harder
- 35:57Speaker 2: to eliminate as the killer. Once the blue truck became
- 36:01Speaker 2: the picture in everyone's mind, that's all they were looking for.
- 36:04Speaker 2: The case file filled with strangers and the person living
- 36:08Speaker 2: inside the house kind of faded into the background. Maybe
- 36:12Speaker 2: the most horrifying part of this case for me is
- 36:15Speaker 2: thinking about Karen Alexander in that hospital room, fighting for
- 36:18Speaker 2: her life. Police were guarding her because they believed that
- 36:22Speaker 2: the killer might come back. But while officers were chasing
- 36:26Speaker 2: a man in a cowboy hat or one of the
- 36:29Speaker 2: men from Vera's past or a blue pickup truck, her
- 36:32Speaker 2: killer was allowed to come in and visit her, probably unmonitored.
- 36:38Speaker 2: Could Karen have still been conscious when her dad visited her?
- 36:43Speaker 2: And if so, how scary must that have been for
- 36:46Speaker 2: her to have her killer and rapist in the room
- 36:50Speaker 2: while she was lying there helpless. In the end, this
- 36:55Speaker 2: is not a story about an unknown monster, A guy
- 36:59Speaker 2: in a blue pickup wearing cowboy boots who slipped into
- 37:02Speaker 2: the house while the children's father was away working hard.
- 37:06Speaker 2: This story is much darker because these children were brutalized
- 37:12Speaker 2: and viciously murdered by the one person who was supposed
- 37:16Speaker 2: to protect them. I'm Katherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone
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