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175. [Virginia] The Serial Killer Who Only Killed Once · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome, bless this mess. In the True Crump podcast.
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Speaker 1: I don't care here was do say, Stu?
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Speaker 2: He alright, all right, what the hell was that?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Stu. Okay, I told you that. I
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Speaker 1: said whenever they wanted to be unanimous. I'm you're like
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Speaker 1: looking at me, and I'm like, you mean anonymous, like.
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Speaker 2: Yes, unanimous, anonymous.
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Speaker 1: Tomato, Yes, tomato, tomato, tomato, potato. Anyways, I have something
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Speaker 1: competing for brain cells right now. It's really taking a
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Speaker 1: turn downhill. I'm doing a lot of work at work too,
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Speaker 1: like important stuff here at the end, so it's not.
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Speaker 2: Going to be all.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't be held accountable for anything
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Speaker 1: that potentially a outside body could be questioning. So yes,
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Speaker 1: part of my job involves submitting documents to the government.
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Speaker 1: So it is what it is. No, I'm very on
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Speaker 1: top of it. A work, okay. I use all my
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Speaker 1: brain cells there and then I just like forget things.
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Speaker 1: I was put chapstick on the other like yesterday the before,
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Speaker 1: and I just threw it in the trash after It's like,
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Speaker 1: what am I doing?
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Speaker 2: Away?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I put chapstick on then I just opened the
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Speaker 1: tree threw it away. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I did that the other day.
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Speaker 2: Was first I'm hearing that.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't tell you everything I do. That's stupid.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, so I did do that the other day. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: we're supposed to record this obviously this week. Let mean listen, guys,
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Speaker 1: I am thirty eight weeks pregnant, and also I am
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Speaker 1: like i'd like to give just do a hard time
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Speaker 1: like I am in early labor, because technically I went yesterday,
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Speaker 1: which is why we didn't record yesterday. I just had
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Speaker 1: a day. So just briefly update ta am I I'm
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Speaker 1: four centimeters so I am in like the I'm they
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Speaker 1: were gonna do like a membrane sweep, which is like
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Speaker 1: a way to help induce. But she was like, you
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Speaker 1: only want to do this if you want to have
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Speaker 1: a baby this weekend, and I'm like, potentially, I know
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Speaker 1: they don't always work, but she said, because you're already,
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Speaker 1: this is your fourth baby, You're in this, you're like
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Speaker 1: progressing some So anyway, so I decline that because I
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Speaker 1: am not prepared, like I said last week, this weekend, yes,
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Speaker 1: the like we said last week, still had didn't have
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Speaker 1: my hospital backpack. Still didn't have any of my pump
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Speaker 1: stuff ready to go, still didn't have a name. I
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Speaker 1: still have work to do this weekend. I'm working this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Like we got a lot of balls in the air.
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Speaker 1: None of them are stews anyway. So that's the update.
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Speaker 1: That's why I just had to take a day yester day.
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Speaker 1: I had to go get a pedicure because I was like,
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Speaker 1: I can't, I can't give, I can't give go into
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Speaker 1: labor with defeet looking like this because I had taken
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Speaker 1: a pause on my pedicures because they've gotten so expensive,
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Speaker 1: Like you SPI able to go get a pedicure for
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Speaker 1: like between twenty five and forty dollars total or whatever,
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Speaker 1: just your basic pedicure. No, no, no, no, it's like
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Speaker 1: a base pedicure is start set around fifty out here
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Speaker 1: plus the tip. So anyways, so I was like, so
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Speaker 1: I hadn't been getting them, and then I've been doing
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Speaker 1: them myself, but I got I've gotten the point where
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Speaker 1: I can't like bend over like that, So.
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Speaker 2: Can I just go down and get my pedicure?
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Speaker 1: Last week too, Yeah, Stu tried to steal my thunder
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Speaker 1: by having an ingrown toeel that need to be removed
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Speaker 1: last week or this past week. So I had to
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Speaker 1: leave work early because he was just like, what pisses
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Speaker 1: me off is because I told him to stop messing
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Speaker 1: with him, to go see a doctor. He's been dealing
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Speaker 1: with these for years, Yes, I said, I said, I
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Speaker 1: don't have any sympathy for you. I'm like you, I
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Speaker 1: told you. He just sits there and tries to dig
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Speaker 1: them out himself and just like in here, just digging
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Speaker 1: in his foot and I'm like, you're gonna give your
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Speaker 1: toe an infection or something like that. So he's been
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Speaker 1: doing this for years. So finally it got to a
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Speaker 1: point where this one he couldn't get out because they
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Speaker 1: were too bad. I'm like, just go we have insurance,
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Speaker 1: just go to a pediatress. So he had to hurry up,
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Speaker 1: and so we looked around and found somebody that could
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Speaker 1: take him that day, and I came home from work
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Speaker 1: to watch the home.
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Speaker 2: Like you didn't want to come home from work.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely wanted to go from home from work
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Speaker 1: because I'm at the point where also I'm very uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: at work, so sitting in the chair all day.
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Speaker 2: So I did you a favorite? Yeah, thank you. That's
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Speaker 2: all you got to.
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Speaker 1: Say is because then now I've had to deal with
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Speaker 1: you be like, look at my toe. I've got to
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Speaker 1: soak my toe in EPs and salt. I've got to
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Speaker 1: go get the other one removed in two weeks.
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Speaker 2: I'm not good the other one remove two weeks.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna get it removed at some point.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's point anyway.
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Speaker 1: So Stu, Yes, Stu's had a I've had a week.
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Speaker 1: Had a week, Okay, he's had a week.
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Speaker 2: I had to get my toe done. Had to hear
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Speaker 2: about it from care for And if you've listened to
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Speaker 2: this podcast, you know, if you got to hear about
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Speaker 2: it from Kara Jesus Christ. It goes on.
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Speaker 1: Only because I've told him to take care of this
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Speaker 1: for years. We're actually past a decade at this point,
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Speaker 1: to tell him to take care of it properly.
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Speaker 2: I'm hearing it again.
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Speaker 1: I said, because they can go and have it removed
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Speaker 1: and then they can do things to help them not
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Speaker 1: grow back. But he doesn't do that. So every six
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Speaker 1: weeks we have to hear about his fucking ingrown toe.
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Speaker 2: Now you ain't gotta hear about shit, I know, but.
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Speaker 1: I know you're in here just digging in things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't tell you. You just walk in just to
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Speaker 2: see what I'm doing.
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Speaker 1: He also doesn't mean no. He also doesn't do him properly.
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Speaker 1: Because I had an ingrown toeew like maybe a couple
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Speaker 1: months ago, and I looked at all the proper ways
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Speaker 1: you're supposed to treat it, and I was able to
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Speaker 1: get it taken care of on my own, just to
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Speaker 1: get it to grow out properly, cut it grow up properly,
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Speaker 1: so it did not come back. I'm just saying anyways,
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Speaker 1: but that's what we've been doing this week. I did
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Speaker 1: throw all my Mallard stuff, my Mallard baby stuff in
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Speaker 1: a pile last night and stew through it in a bag.
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Speaker 1: So we do have part of the hospital bag packed.
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Speaker 2: We got some baby stuff pack yep, in case I haven't.
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Speaker 1: I have a new pajama.
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Speaker 2: That I got in there, new blanket.
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Speaker 1: I got a new blanket. I got two new books
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Speaker 1: that were on color scheme to match.
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Speaker 2: It's going to have time to lay around.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to have time to read them whenever I
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Speaker 1: get home. I'm not taking them to the hospital. But
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Speaker 1: they matched the color the whole green color scheme.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole theme we got gone on.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Chauncey benedictines, all right, so that's it.
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Speaker 2: Should we call him Lord Chauncey Benedict.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the third Lord Benedict, the third shall shall be?
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Speaker 1: Shall be? What is the word called that? What do
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Speaker 1: they do when they night? Are they give the crown
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Speaker 1: to the they whenever they make them?
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Speaker 2: The King and Queen coronation.
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Speaker 1: The coronated on said May twelfth or no, large twelfth?
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Speaker 1: That would be a really that would be a really
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Speaker 1: big baby. Yes, why was that? My ultrasounds stew sent
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Speaker 1: me the picts. Everyone keeps sending me that thing about
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Speaker 1: the fourteen pound baby in New York or whatever, because
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Speaker 1: everybody thinks it's baby. The doctor's like, baby's gotta be
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Speaker 1: huge and everything at that. So I'm guessing that person
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Speaker 1: had that h had had the baby with the C section.
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Speaker 2: I would hope. So, yeah, it was a very large child.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you get that out. A six month.
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Speaker 2: Old at the clannger and some forest apps is all
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Speaker 2: I can I think.
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Speaker 1: So anyways, moving on from this, because I know that
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Speaker 1: nobody's here, not ever, but he's here for h and
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Speaker 1: baby and dilations. So anyways, so we're gonna put this
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Speaker 1: out on Patreon and then we're gonna put this out
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Speaker 1: everywhere else on We're having a hard time midweek releases
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Speaker 1: so because we just seem to be able to record
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Speaker 1: on Fridays normally, so we might be altering the schedule
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Speaker 1: until I mean, I'm fixing it. Go on attorney then
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Speaker 1: everything just opens up. But it's hard when I'm at
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Speaker 1: work during the week and I'm tired and everything else.
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Speaker 2: So you're saying we might get more regular episodes while
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Speaker 2: you're on attorney.
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Speaker 1: Leave, I don't know. I know, I can't guarantee that said.
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Speaker 1: I'm not making any promises anymore. I tell people stuff
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Speaker 1: all the time and then I don't.
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Speaker 2: Do it, so I know I've been here.
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Speaker 1: Anyways, we want to thank all the Patreons. We appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: We'll be doing recording a Shoot the Poo this weekend
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Speaker 1: as well. I'm putting that out and then we will
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Speaker 1: we will something you just lost your Yes, I did anyways, Instagram, Facebook,
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Speaker 1: TikTok follow us there. I think that's it? Yes?
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Speaker 2: Are you sure that is it?
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's go ahead and get into this week's
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Speaker 1: episode out of Virginia, Stu, I haven't been there in
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Speaker 1: a while.
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Speaker 2: No, we have not.
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Speaker 1: Is it the South?
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Speaker 2: It's close?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we counted, all right. So on November eighteenth, nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety four, Robin Laurence, this is a this is absolutely
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Speaker 1: crazy case. I watched this on This was an episode
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Speaker 1: of People Magazine Investigates and it is like just like crazy,
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Speaker 1: just the person who did it, the circumstances around it.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, so here we go, Yes, here we go.
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Speaker 1: On November eighteenth, nineteen ninety four, Robin Lawrence is home
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Speaker 1: alone in Springfield, Virginia with her two year old daughter
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Speaker 1: Nicole now our husband Allie. He had left that day
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Speaker 1: for a business trip in the Bahamas. Sounds likely, sounds yes,
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Speaker 1: Although we might be going on a business trip to
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that and shoot the poop. So anyways,
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Speaker 1: a day or two goes by. Remember this is nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety four, So he's trying to contact Robin, so you know,
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Speaker 1: call in the house phone, that's what they have, and
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Speaker 1: he's unable to so he decides to go ahead and
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Speaker 1: call the police department, the local police department in Virginia's
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Speaker 1: who he's calling to see if they can go by
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Speaker 1: do a well welfare check. Well, they said they are
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Speaker 1: unable to because he's in the Bahamas. This is like sketchy,
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Speaker 1: He just because he's in the Bahamas, Like I don't
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Speaker 1: know if they asked him where he was from or
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Speaker 1: the phone call coming in. They were like, oh, you
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Speaker 1: have to call contact the local would it.
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Speaker 2: Be Bohemian, Bohemian rapid, yes.
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Speaker 1: Bohemian, the Bohemian police department, the local police department and
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Speaker 1: have them facts over a request because it's nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: four facts, who knows, probably there's still police departments are like, well,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna need it via facts. So facts over a
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Speaker 1: request to do a welfare check, like that's that's gonna
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Speaker 1: take who knows, at least several hours, possibly a day
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Speaker 1: or something. And he's worried about his wife and child
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Speaker 1: all the way back in Virginia. So he's like, this
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Speaker 1: is crazy. I'm not doing that. So he ends up
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Speaker 1: calling one of Robin's best friends and ask if she
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Speaker 1: can go over and check on Robin and Nicole. Well,
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Speaker 1: the best friend heads on over to the home. She
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Speaker 1: brings another friend with her and at this point nobody's
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Speaker 1: heard from Robin in about two days. She goes to
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Speaker 1: the home. She knocks on the door, No one answers,
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Speaker 1: so she does see a window open on the side
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Speaker 1: of the house. So her and the friend decide to like, hey,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna climb in because this is this is strange.
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Speaker 1: When she enters the home, she starts seeing some blood
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Speaker 1: and then she sees two year old Nicole, and she
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Speaker 1: has blood on her. Her diaper has been like completely
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Speaker 1: soaked through, clearly hasn't been changed in a couple of days,
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Speaker 1: and she looks very dehydrated, very unwell. Like I think
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Speaker 1: the at that point, the baby had to even stop crying,
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Speaker 1: you know, because eventually, if they cry long enough, they'll
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Speaker 1: just they go. They just shut down, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, because nobody comes, nobody helps, and they're like, they
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Speaker 2: just stop.
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Speaker 1: It's probably also like a survival mechanism, because at some
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Speaker 1: point you got to start, even at two, you got
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Speaker 1: to start saving the energy. So they ran over to
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Speaker 1: a home next door and they they grabbed the baby,
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Speaker 1: ran over the next the home next door and called
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Speaker 1: the police. This is just a small interlude from the case.
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Speaker 1: What I was trying to remember earlier was I was
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Speaker 1: gonna think, Tommy, she bought us a coffee's us three
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Speaker 1: me three coffees. And let me tell you what, because
12:51
Speaker 1: we do have buy me a coffee. If you guys
12:52
Speaker 1: ever want to just like buy me a coffee. I
12:56
Speaker 1: already know exactly which coffee I'm gonna get because I
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Speaker 1: have the gestational diabetes. I don't know if I mentioned
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Speaker 1: that I've had it all all four so I am
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Speaker 1: on like little to no sugar. I mean, do I
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Speaker 1: sneak some sugar in everyone's while, But I have I like,
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Speaker 1: I can't drink the coffee I want. I can't do anything.
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Speaker 1: So I've already know what coffee I'm gonna.
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Speaker 2: Get, double pump sugar with a I'm.
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Speaker 1: Gonna have you go to Dutch Brothers and get the uh.
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Speaker 1: It's the nine to one one and it's called it's
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Speaker 1: got the word kicking it anyways, It's like an Irish
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Speaker 1: cream and the nine one one makes it means it
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Speaker 1: has six shots of espresso.
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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, Yeah, no, I won't.
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Speaker 1: I never drink the whole thing. I just fine. Since
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Speaker 1: I'll be pump pumping, I probably shouldn't give the baby
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Speaker 1: six shots for espresso although it needs to learn to
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Speaker 1: live within my lifestyle. I'm not living with when it
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Speaker 1: within its lifestyle, you know. So that's what the dietician yesterday,
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Speaker 1: because I have see a dietician because the gestational diabetes
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Speaker 1: plus the insurance covered it's free. So I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 1: well as well. Anyways, She's like, just be mindful of
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Speaker 1: like caffeine and when you feed to the baby and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I want to be like, bitch,
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Speaker 1: this is my fourth time doing this. I do not
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Speaker 1: need any tips or tricks on. Like, if there's anything
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Speaker 1: I don't need tips or tricks on, it is pumping
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Speaker 1: and like feeding the baby milk. I know all the stuff.
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Speaker 1: I know all the stuff. Yes.
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Speaker 2: Can we move on with us?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Go on? Are you ready?
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Speaker 2: I'm ready anyway.
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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to say thank you. I really
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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. And I already know exactly.
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Speaker 2: Where out of control real quick.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it did, as does many things now we have
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Speaker 1: four almost four children, Yes we do. I have a
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Speaker 1: theory on that, and I'm going to talk about it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I have a theory, but it's like a it's just
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Speaker 1: it's a theory.
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Speaker 2: Okay, go on, police entered the home and initially there
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Speaker 2: doesn't look like doesn't look like anything is going on.
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Speaker 2: There was no struggle or signs of robbery or anything
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Speaker 2: like that. And it's not until they enter into the
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Speaker 2: hallway in the in the master bedroom area that they
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Speaker 2: see all the blood. In the master bedroom, this is
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Speaker 2: where they find thirty seven year old Robin Lawrence. She
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Speaker 2: has multiple stab wounds, her throat was cut to the
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Speaker 2: point where she's almost decapitated. An autopsy would lead a
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Speaker 2: reveal that she had been stabbed about forty seven times.
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Speaker 1: While autopsy would lead reveal I'm just reading what you wrote. Later,
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Speaker 1: I believe the word would have been leaders do.
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Speaker 2: And and autopsy would lead a reveal that's what is said. Okay, listened.
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Speaker 2: I tried to fix it on the fly, but my
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Speaker 2: brain couldn't do it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm in a hurry when I'm doing these Steward. Okay.
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Speaker 1: An autopsy would later reveal Okay.
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Speaker 2: An autopsy would later reveal that she had been stabbed
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Speaker 2: about forty seven times.
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Speaker 1: This is a bad time to be Yes, we're we're not.
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Speaker 1: We are absolutely not before we get the letters, We're
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Speaker 1: not laughing about the situation it's just like sometimes you
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Speaker 1: have to dissociate when you're doing this tyme.
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you can't do that. You can't be like
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Speaker 2: all involved on this every time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't be like super emotionally involved, because it's
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Speaker 1: if you really start like the the two year old
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Speaker 1: being in the house is like really traumatizing and really
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Speaker 1: think about it. And I mean nothing physically, like she
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Speaker 1: wasn't harmed in the physically in terms of from.
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Speaker 2: The person did this commission of the original, But if you.
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Speaker 1: Really think about like we have a two year old
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Speaker 1: and like her walking around in the house, like, it's
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Speaker 1: very traumatizing. This is it's very disturbing.
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Speaker 2: It's traumatizing that she might be up for twenty minutes
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Speaker 2: crying and we don't hear and our Yeah, if it
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Speaker 2: were to happen, yeah, I mean you usually hear after
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Speaker 2: about five minutes.
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Speaker 1: Five minutes, not even five minutes if you're sleeping, No,
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Speaker 1: I can hear her from right off the bed.
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Speaker 2: You wake up probably when she starts crying, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Just about within a minute. I know you don't. I've
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Speaker 1: read a study about that though for.
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Speaker 2: Men, we're gonna hear about that.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to go into it too.
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Speaker 2: Okay. While authorities are processing the crime scene, they assist
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Speaker 2: two year old Nicole. The two year old had gone
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Speaker 2: through a liver transplant, so the fact that she had
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Speaker 2: been without food and water for a couple of days,
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Speaker 2: it's a pretty severe situation. The child also appeared to trauma.
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Speaker 1: More so than like a child that hadn't been toed
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Speaker 1: that like, that's she was near death at that point.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can't even because I think you
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Speaker 2: got to take the meds and everything for the transplant.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure she was on some sort of medication
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Speaker 1: and definitely being dehydrated is a big no no.
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Speaker 2: The child also appeared traumatized to the point that she
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Speaker 2: had been in the home with the mother, who was
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Speaker 2: clearly a deceased for an extended period of time. They
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Speaker 2: get in the cold to the hospital and begin giving
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Speaker 2: her fluids and treating her rash from her diaper bean
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Speaker 2: not changed for two days. Thankfully, Nicole was unharmed and
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Speaker 2: would recover from this ordeal.
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Speaker 1: Crime scene investigators continue to process the scene. It appeared
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Speaker 1: that Robin had attempted to use the phone, but it
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Speaker 1: looks like she was interrupted by the intruder, and the
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Speaker 1: intruder then cut that phone line, and that's how she
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Speaker 1: was in the master bedroom when all this was happening.
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Speaker 1: They believed like she was ran in there Tragy's phone,
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Speaker 1: he follows her in and he cuts the cord. It
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Speaker 1: did not appear that there was any sexual element to
18:36
Speaker 1: the crime. She did not have any signs of sexual
18:39
Speaker 1: assault in her autopsy. Now Robin around her, they had
18:43
Speaker 1: found a box of tissues as well. This is where
18:46
Speaker 1: it's really sad. A box of tissues, a children's book,
18:50
Speaker 1: and a bottle of milk. They believe that the two
18:52
Speaker 1: year old had brought these things, the tissues to help
18:55
Speaker 1: clean up mommy and stuff like that, like with the blood,
18:58
Speaker 1: like she was trying to help, and then she brought
19:00
Speaker 1: her book to to her reader and then was sitting
19:03
Speaker 1: there with her like probably the last bottle that her
19:06
Speaker 1: mom had made her. Anyway, So yeah, if you think
19:09
Speaker 1: too deep into that, you can get it.
19:11
Speaker 2: Really it's like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sending you on
19:14
Speaker 2: a spiral yep.
19:17
Speaker 1: Anyway, so it seemed like she was probably still trying
19:19
Speaker 1: to interact with Because of the wounds that Robin had,
19:21
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have lived that long, so she was probably
19:24
Speaker 1: trying to interact with her mom now that she was
19:26
Speaker 1: even after she had passed away. Now, as they moved
19:28
Speaker 1: through the house looking for any other signs, they do
19:30
Speaker 1: find a bloody wash cloth in the bathroom and it
19:33
Speaker 1: did stand out to them because the injuries that Robin
19:35
Speaker 1: had sustained were all in the master bedroom and she
19:38
Speaker 1: would not have been able to leave that room after
19:40
Speaker 1: she was attacked. So they do think that this blood
19:43
Speaker 1: could potentially belong to the killer or the killer was
19:45
Speaker 1: like using the washcloth to clean up themselves before leaving,
19:49
Speaker 1: so they were able to take that wash cloth and
19:51
Speaker 1: perform some DNA testing on it. However, DNA testing back
19:55
Speaker 1: then was very very new, so but they did know
19:58
Speaker 1: it was. They didn't I know if it's the potentials
20:01
Speaker 1: by then though, so this was nineteen eighty four, so
20:02
Speaker 1: that they knew it was. It could be very important
20:05
Speaker 1: in the future to help solve this case if they
20:07
Speaker 1: couldn't do it right now. They they determined that the
20:11
Speaker 1: point of entry was the same window that the friend
20:13
Speaker 1: climbed through to check on Robin, so there was no
20:16
Speaker 1: other entry points to the house. They look for any
20:18
Speaker 1: signs of a burglary. Nothing was taken from her purse.
20:22
Speaker 1: She had jewelry laying around and nothing was taken, So
20:25
Speaker 1: they do not believe that that was the motive. And
20:27
Speaker 1: then well learn they were. They were like they made
20:31
Speaker 1: good money, so like she probably did have like valuables
20:34
Speaker 1: in the house that should have been taken had that
20:36
Speaker 1: been the motive. Now it appeared that whoever broke in
20:39
Speaker 1: just did so to kill Robin, like that was completely
20:42
Speaker 1: the entire motive. Came in, killed her and left.
20:45
Speaker 2: Now that police believe they have their motive, which was
20:48
Speaker 2: that somebody broke in just to kill Robin, they now
20:51
Speaker 2: need to look at her life and see who might
20:53
Speaker 2: want to harm her.
20:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they killed her, but it was like overkilled sex.
21:00
Speaker 1: It was overkilled. So it's just like was it someone
21:03
Speaker 1: that knew or you know, That's what they're having to
21:05
Speaker 1: look into because it seems like it would be personal
21:07
Speaker 1: to be that angry as opposed to like to me,
21:10
Speaker 1: if it was just a hired to kill her or something,
21:13
Speaker 1: it would be a single gunshot or something like that,
21:16
Speaker 1: you know.
21:17
Speaker 2: Yes, police began looking into Robin and Olly's marriage. Robin
21:21
Speaker 2: met Olli when she was living in Washington, d C.
21:24
Speaker 2: They married, then they moved to Springfield, Virginia in nineteen
21:27
Speaker 2: eighty nine. Now, by all appearances, they were very happy
21:30
Speaker 2: and a very successful couple. Robin was working in advertising
21:34
Speaker 2: and she was a very good artist, and she enjoyed
21:36
Speaker 2: her work. Oli was an executive for US Airways and
21:40
Speaker 2: he was also very successful as well Karen.
21:42
Speaker 1: Which is why he was in the Bahamas, which would
21:46
Speaker 1: make somewhat sense to go to the Bahamas.
21:48
Speaker 2: For a business trip. Yes, Robin and Olly seemed happy.
21:52
Speaker 2: Robin was very energetic, she was very positive and had
21:55
Speaker 2: a good relationship with her family. In nineteen ninety two,
21:58
Speaker 2: they welcomed their daughter, Nicole, and everything things seemed to
22:00
Speaker 2: be going well for the couple. But this appeared to
22:03
Speaker 2: be a crime of passion, so they needed to look
22:05
Speaker 2: at the husband.
22:05
Speaker 1: I don't know why, of course the husband.
22:08
Speaker 2: However, when checking on Ali, he had an air bite
22:11
Speaker 2: air bite, air tight alibi for where he was at
22:15
Speaker 2: the time. He was all the way into Bahamas. There's
22:17
Speaker 2: phone records showing that there's him calling from the Bahamas. However,
22:21
Speaker 2: as they're talking to Ali, they do discover that he
22:23
Speaker 2: had been having an ongoing affair for the past decade.
22:27
Speaker 1: Yes, he was very like open about this. He just
22:30
Speaker 1: admitted to please like, uh, probably gonna find out about this.
22:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was with this woman prior to meeting
22:37
Speaker 2: Robin and then as well as after they were married.
22:41
Speaker 2: This gives Ali clearcut motive that even if he didn't
22:44
Speaker 2: kill Robin, he had a reason to want to get
22:47
Speaker 2: rid of her, maybe pay somebody to do it.
22:49
Speaker 1: Although he was cheating or he was saw the one
22:53
Speaker 1: before continued to cheat while he was with it. I
22:55
Speaker 1: don't know why all of a sudden he would just
22:57
Speaker 1: suddenly be like, I gotta be with this other one. Yeah,
22:59
Speaker 1: I got to be. He had a chance to be
23:01
Speaker 1: with her prior to meeting Robin. So I don't know
23:03
Speaker 1: if this just yeah, I don't even get that one. No,
23:07
Speaker 1: I don't either. Some men can't. Some men are not
23:09
Speaker 1: meant to be married. Yes, they need to just go spread,
23:13
Speaker 1: go be their little bees or whatever, but don't be
23:16
Speaker 1: making new humans. Just be your little bees. Yes, just
23:22
Speaker 1: go have fun, but don't be making new humans. He
23:27
Speaker 1: probably because be honest with you. If he's like higher
23:31
Speaker 1: up at this big company, it looks good. I mean
23:35
Speaker 1: where I work, it looks good. If the if you're like,
23:39
Speaker 1: if the men are like family, it helps them move
23:42
Speaker 1: up in their career. It's one of these things that
23:45
Speaker 1: it helps them if they have a stable even I
23:48
Speaker 1: know a lot of shitty men that I work with
23:50
Speaker 1: that I like should not be married, and like you
23:54
Speaker 1: hear all these stories and stuff like that, but it's
23:56
Speaker 1: like it helps them career wise if they have a
23:58
Speaker 1: wife and a child and they have this stable home
24:01
Speaker 1: life and then they still continue to do their bullshit
24:04
Speaker 1: on the side.
24:05
Speaker 2: Going down to the Gold Club, Yep, the Panther What
24:07
Speaker 2: is that one here in Odessa? The Panther Club, the Jaguars. Jaguars, Yeah,
24:13
Speaker 2: I haven't been there yet.
24:14
Speaker 1: And then we have the Fuego's coffee Shop.
24:17
Speaker 2: What's that?
24:18
Speaker 1: Remember I told you about that? No, it's there in
24:22
Speaker 1: like they're like half dressed. Remember when I went there
24:25
Speaker 1: because I thought the coffee. I saw the line. I
24:27
Speaker 1: thought the coffee was really good. But when I pulled up,
24:30
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's not why the line's lock.
24:34
Speaker 1: I bought the coffee. Everything's fine, everything like that. But
24:37
Speaker 1: they were they were like bikinis and like cut off,
24:39
Speaker 1: like booty shorts and stuff. And then always like going
24:42
Speaker 1: to make the coffee and turn around and you can
24:45
Speaker 1: see their butt cheeks.
24:46
Speaker 2: I need to get some coffee.
24:47
Speaker 1: Oh you don't. Anyways, the line would be like around
24:51
Speaker 1: the thing, and I was like, wow, this is like
24:53
Speaker 1: must be like a really good coffee coffee shop because
24:56
Speaker 1: it was just one of those ones where it was
24:57
Speaker 1: like a standalone house or what ever, like a standalone
25:01
Speaker 1: little shed check cup thing. And I was like, man,
25:04
Speaker 1: I need to go try that, because one time the
25:06
Speaker 1: line wasn't that long, and so I went over there
25:07
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I figured out why the line was long.
25:10
Speaker 2: It is not just a bunch of dudes.
25:12
Speaker 1: Coffee was not that good.
25:14
Speaker 2: Kind of like going to the restaurants.
25:16
Speaker 1: Yes, if it was good, I'd go back, like Twin Peaks.
25:19
Speaker 1: I find their food was good, yes, but like Hooters
25:22
Speaker 1: and stuff, if your food's not good anymore then And
25:25
Speaker 1: frankly the Hooters, the girls had gone downhill as well, so.
25:28
Speaker 2: Damn there's some shade being thrown.
25:31
Speaker 1: They're all over at not Twin Peaks, Wait, Twin Peaks.
25:34
Speaker 1: The other one that we had in Loafayette was the
25:37
Speaker 1: Kilted Tilt. Now that was that was really terrible food.
25:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was tough.
25:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, it closed down.
25:44
Speaker 2: Yes, then they opened the Twin Pigs. I think the
25:47
Speaker 2: Twin Pigs is still going.
25:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it had good food, I feel like or
25:51
Speaker 1: it did.
25:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta have some good food or people ain't
25:53
Speaker 2: going to come in at a certain point. Yeah, it's
25:55
Speaker 2: just a strip club with a lunch buffeg.
25:58
Speaker 1: It's not a strip club.
25:59
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I know that's why people ain't gonna go,
26:02
Speaker 2: because they ain't. That's as far as undressed as they'll get.
26:06
Speaker 1: Okay, we've digressed. Could you just where were we at
26:09
Speaker 1: st We've digressed?
26:11
Speaker 2: We were talking about Ali's alibi. Yes, So they begin
26:18
Speaker 2: to look into the financial records and really looking into
26:21
Speaker 2: Ali to see if they could find out if he
26:23
Speaker 2: paid someone, hired someone, whatever you want to call it
26:28
Speaker 2: to do this. However, they could never find any evidence
26:31
Speaker 2: of a transaction that would be large enough to.
26:37
Speaker 1: Evidence of him taking out funds from his bank account,
26:40
Speaker 1: transferring to anybody anything like that.
26:42
Speaker 2: I didn't see him transferrent funds withdrawn because.
26:44
Speaker 1: They would have had he would have had the money
26:45
Speaker 1: to pay for someone to pay someone news, but there
26:48
Speaker 1: would have been some sort of withdrawals.
26:51
Speaker 2: Now, although they can't find any financial transactions. They're not
26:54
Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure on Ali's innocence due to this
26:58
Speaker 2: affair he's having. They do speak to the mistress, they
27:02
Speaker 2: find out that she was invited to the Bahamas with Ali. However,
27:05
Speaker 2: she chose to stay back in Washington, DC. And investigators
27:09
Speaker 2: found this odd because why would the mistress want not
27:11
Speaker 2: want to go to the Bahamas for a week. So
27:14
Speaker 2: they asked for her alibi, and she says she was
27:16
Speaker 2: at home all night alone watching TV. So there's no
27:20
Speaker 2: one that can verify her alibi. However, they have nothing
27:24
Speaker 2: else to go on besides thinking that she might be
27:27
Speaker 2: involved somehow, there's no evidence, So they're at a standstill
27:31
Speaker 2: with Ali and the mistress.
27:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why she wouldn't go, But I
27:34
Speaker 1: don't know how often he went to the Bahamas, like
27:36
Speaker 1: this could be like a frequent thing. She just mad
27:38
Speaker 1: at him. She's like, I'm not going with you.
27:39
Speaker 2: I'm going I've already been twice this month.
27:42
Speaker 1: I don't want to go again. I don't know what.
27:44
Speaker 2: I just want to stay on watching it.
27:45
Speaker 1: It sounds like if he's going on business trips, then
27:46
Speaker 1: there's probably a frequent because US airways. I don't know,
27:49
Speaker 1: they might have like an.
27:50
Speaker 2: Office down there, probably get a campaign.
27:52
Speaker 1: No he's yeah, or he has money, he could just yeah.
27:56
Speaker 1: He probably has free passes to give out. So and
27:59
Speaker 1: if I don't know if they had an office down
28:01
Speaker 1: there or something like that. They are still waiting on
28:03
Speaker 1: the DNA profile to come back because at this point
28:06
Speaker 1: it could take months up to a year, because this
28:08
Speaker 1: is how the science and technology was at the time
28:12
Speaker 1: with DNA profiling. It was not there was no quick turnarounds.
28:15
Speaker 1: It could just take like a very long time to
28:18
Speaker 1: get this information. Now, during this time, they continue to
28:21
Speaker 1: compile a suspect list so that whenever they do get
28:24
Speaker 1: this DNA profile, they can start taking samples and comparing.
28:28
Speaker 1: It would be about a year later that they received
28:30
Speaker 1: that DNA profile. They compare it to Robin's blood and
28:34
Speaker 1: it doesn't belong to her. So they know now that
28:36
Speaker 1: this blood belongs to her killer. So during the attack,
28:42
Speaker 1: somehow he must have cut himself or Robin was able
28:45
Speaker 1: to cut him during all this. However, it does not,
28:50
Speaker 1: so they had that suspect list, so they compared everybody
28:53
Speaker 1: on that suspect list that they got samples from It
28:55
Speaker 1: doesn't match anybody on there either. It doesn't match Ali
28:58
Speaker 1: or the mistress. So all they had is this DNA profile,
29:02
Speaker 1: but they don't actually have a person to go along
29:04
Speaker 1: with it. Now, COTIS is up and running at this time,
29:07
Speaker 1: so they submit the DNA profile and however it comes
29:10
Speaker 1: back without a hit. Because'm assuming at this point COTIS
29:12
Speaker 1: probably doesn't have that large of a database either. Now
29:16
Speaker 1: because now there's laws about if you do certain level
29:20
Speaker 1: of crime, you automatically get your DNA sample gets put
29:24
Speaker 1: into CODIS now, so we have a pretty large database.
29:28
Speaker 1: So this indicates that the killer has not committed another
29:31
Speaker 1: violent crime to get themselves into that database as of now.
29:36
Speaker 2: Decades would go by and there would be no hits
29:38
Speaker 2: from in the CODA system and the case was completely cold.
29:42
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be until twenty nineteen when genetic genealogy became
29:45
Speaker 2: a reliable science to science that they began working with
29:48
Speaker 2: a private lab called Parabond. The lab built a sketch
29:52
Speaker 2: based on the DNA profile and ask the family to
29:54
Speaker 2: look at it. But it was a pretty generic white
29:57
Speaker 2: guy with blonde hair and blue eyes.
30:00
Speaker 1: Yes, it was literally the most basic bitch.
30:05
Speaker 2: Vanilla white guy.
30:06
Speaker 1: Ever, like literally, I'm like you guys didn't solve anything
30:11
Speaker 1: with this.
30:11
Speaker 2: That could be one of one hundred and fifty million people.
30:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really really generic. There is nothing distinguishing
30:18
Speaker 1: about him whatsoever.
30:20
Speaker 2: Yes, they show it to the family. The family didn't
30:22
Speaker 2: recognize him, so this is a dead end. At this point,
30:26
Speaker 2: they were able to map out a portion of a
30:29
Speaker 2: family tree, but it was very, very broad. However, a
30:33
Speaker 2: genealogists volunteer did offer to work the case and manually
30:37
Speaker 2: go in and try and build this family tree to
30:40
Speaker 2: try and get a closer, smaller sample or group of
30:45
Speaker 2: people to look at. The genealogist works tirelessly to narrow
30:50
Speaker 2: it down to a man that was living in northern
30:53
Speaker 2: Virginia in nineteen ninety four and his name was Stephen smirk.
30:57
Speaker 1: Yes. It's a shame though that we have to like
30:59
Speaker 1: have voluntar tiers to be able to solve these crimes
31:01
Speaker 1: because we don't have enough budgets in police departments, you know,
31:05
Speaker 1: so people have to volunteer their time to go and
31:08
Speaker 1: do this stuff.
31:09
Speaker 2: You wouldn't volunteer your time and go solve crime.
31:11
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if I had that type of skills,
31:13
Speaker 1: set I don't I just have type this whatever this is,
31:16
Speaker 1: which is in a rambling and make people angry. Anyways,
31:21
Speaker 1: they begin looking into Stephen. He does kind of look
31:24
Speaker 1: like the sketch, meaning he's watching dude. He has a
31:29
Speaker 1: military history, but no violent crimes or anything like that.
31:32
Speaker 1: They find out that he is currently living in upstate
31:34
Speaker 1: New York with his wife and two children. So they
31:37
Speaker 1: go to his home and ask him if they can
31:39
Speaker 1: get a DNA sample. He seems unbothered about the whole situation.
31:43
Speaker 1: He just willingly gives up a DNA sample and they
31:46
Speaker 1: leave a card behind and say, hey, if you'd like
31:49
Speaker 1: to talk to them and talk to him anymore, feel
31:51
Speaker 1: free to contact us. Well. Shortly after leaving the home,
31:55
Speaker 1: the investigator gets a call from Stephen and he said
31:57
Speaker 1: that he is up at the local police station. And
32:00
Speaker 1: she's like, hey, why are you up at the local
32:02
Speaker 1: police station? And he said he would like to turn
32:04
Speaker 1: himself in for the murder.
32:05
Speaker 2: Just just out of the blue.
32:07
Speaker 1: Yep, a bit in shock. The head up to the
32:09
Speaker 1: station to interview Stephen. Well, Stephen tells authorities that he
32:13
Speaker 1: is the one that killed Robin. Now they need to
32:15
Speaker 1: make sure that he has some sort of detailed information
32:18
Speaker 1: about the crime. And he's not just somebody that's like
32:22
Speaker 1: one of these weirdos that likes to be like, Hey,
32:24
Speaker 1: I want to be involved, even if I get thrown
32:27
Speaker 1: in jail for.
32:28
Speaker 2: Life, maybe even maybe even the death penalty.
32:30
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, I'm up for whatever. I just want to
32:32
Speaker 1: be part of this whole situation.
32:34
Speaker 2: You guys smart s M I r K. Don't get
32:38
Speaker 2: it wrong. Stephen with A I can't.
32:42
Speaker 1: Remember if it's Stephen with it is Stephen with the pH.
32:45
Speaker 1: I could have spelled that wrong, though.
32:47
Speaker 2: I'm just going based on you.
32:49
Speaker 1: I know you are anyway. So, like I said, they
32:54
Speaker 1: need to talk to him and just see if he
32:55
Speaker 1: has anything. So they ask him he remembers anything about
32:57
Speaker 1: the victim, and he says that he remembers she was
33:00
Speaker 1: an African American. He begins walking them through that Friday
33:04
Speaker 1: and he tells them that he had been drinking heavily
33:07
Speaker 1: that day and that he knew he was going to
33:10
Speaker 1: kill somebody. Like this is where it gets real disturbing
33:13
Speaker 1: because when this guy's in this interview, they have the
33:16
Speaker 1: recordings of it and everything, and he's just talking about it,
33:19
Speaker 1: like what he did that Friday, he went for drinks,
33:23
Speaker 1: he went to dinner, he killed somebody.
33:24
Speaker 2: He went home, like watched little cars on the TV.
33:28
Speaker 1: Yep, like casual. So anyway, so he didn't know who
33:33
Speaker 1: he was going to kill, but he knew he was
33:35
Speaker 1: going to kill somebody. He begins describing the neighborhood and
33:38
Speaker 1: tell him that he was staying with a friend next
33:40
Speaker 1: door and that he had never met the victim prior.
33:43
Speaker 1: So this is where it's scary, because like, seriously, someoneul
33:46
Speaker 1: just come to my house and murder me for because
33:49
Speaker 1: he felt like killing somebody that.
33:50
Speaker 2: Day, had a little draag like, hey, I think I
33:52
Speaker 2: want to kill someone.
33:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had just randomly decided that evening to go
33:55
Speaker 1: over to the home and murder someone. And he's just
33:58
Speaker 1: telling this all matter of factly to the police.
34:01
Speaker 2: Continue to have him tell the story, and he talks
34:03
Speaker 2: about going through a window or a backsliding door or
34:06
Speaker 2: something to the effect on the back of the house.
34:09
Speaker 2: All of this is matching up with what police believe happened.
34:13
Speaker 2: He talks about entering the home and he saw that
34:15
Speaker 2: she had a baby in one room. He said, he
34:17
Speaker 2: passed that room and goes into the master bedroom where
34:20
Speaker 2: he finds Robin. He says she's startled. She drops to
34:23
Speaker 2: her knees and goes to grab the phone. He said
34:26
Speaker 2: that he cut the cord and then he began to
34:29
Speaker 2: stab her. He tells investigators, I cut her up real good. Yes,
34:35
Speaker 2: his words which are disturbing. They asked him if he
34:38
Speaker 2: remembers where he stabbed her, and he said he stabbed
34:41
Speaker 2: her everywhere. He said he was just using his military
34:45
Speaker 2: training in hand to hand combat. So if you've ever
34:48
Speaker 2: been through basic training, you've done the basic hand to
34:51
Speaker 2: hand combat. And I guess that's all he knows about whatever,
34:55
Speaker 2: So that's what he fell back on to assault her.
34:59
Speaker 2: And then he again to describe in detail the different
35:02
Speaker 2: places he would have stuffed drink, drink drink, stabbed her. Yeah,
35:06
Speaker 2: this one's dark, so probably need some drinks, need some drinks.
35:09
Speaker 2: This probably had a disclaimer at the beginning.
35:12
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't wait to have a drink. We might
35:15
Speaker 1: have drunk Cara podcast again one day.
35:17
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe we just don't know. While he's
35:20
Speaker 2: telling the story, there is zero emotion emotion in his voice.
35:26
Speaker 2: It is a very matter of fact telling of the story.
35:29
Speaker 2: Police find it very unsettling. They asked him if he
35:32
Speaker 2: cut himself during attack, and he said that he had,
35:35
Speaker 2: that she had cut up his face when she clawed him,
35:38
Speaker 2: and he can't remember if he went into the bathroom,
35:40
Speaker 2: but said that if he did go into the bathroom,
35:43
Speaker 2: it would have been probably to look at the scratches
35:45
Speaker 2: on his face.
35:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, So thankfully she was able to get that in
35:48
Speaker 1: because that's what eventually solved this crime. Otherwise, if because
35:53
Speaker 1: this was so random, because he did not know her
35:56
Speaker 1: at all, there would have been like no connection to
35:58
Speaker 1: her whatsoever.
36:00
Speaker 2: Now, this is probably where he used the washcloth on
36:03
Speaker 2: his face, dabbed the blood, and he got the blood
36:06
Speaker 2: all over the washcloth, left it there. He then describes
36:10
Speaker 2: leaving the home. He tells them exactly what type of
36:13
Speaker 2: knife he used. He says he threw it in a
36:15
Speaker 2: body of water on his way back to the barracks.
36:19
Speaker 2: Back at the barracks, he took off his bloody clothes,
36:21
Speaker 2: put them in a trash bag and threw them away.
36:23
Speaker 2: So he was at his friend's house, probably partying, because
36:27
Speaker 2: that's what you do. You go to your friend's house
36:29
Speaker 2: that has that's married, probably got some houses out, came
36:34
Speaker 2: off face housing of some sort. You go there, you party,
36:38
Speaker 2: So they probably didn't even miss him that he didn't
36:40
Speaker 2: come back to the house because there was probably a
36:41
Speaker 2: bunch of other people there. There were like, hey, we're.
36:43
Speaker 1: Oh, he would have just left and would have randomly left.
36:45
Speaker 2: And they they would have continued on doing whatever they
36:48
Speaker 2: were doing.
36:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, And wouldn't they because he didn't know the lady
36:51
Speaker 1: next door, They would have never been like, hey, he left,
36:54
Speaker 1: that was suspicious. Where'd he go? Because he didn't know her.
36:57
Speaker 1: It was just completely random that he would do this.
37:00
Speaker 1: So they started the police. They started asking him. They like, hey,
37:03
Speaker 1: so you killed Robin. Did this like scratch that itch
37:07
Speaker 1: that you had to murder someone? Because, like you said,
37:09
Speaker 1: I just came up with this idea that I was
37:11
Speaker 1: going to murder. I had a need to murder someone.
37:13
Speaker 1: I was going to find someone that day and that's
37:14
Speaker 1: what I decided. And he said for that day, it
37:17
Speaker 1: did And they say, okay, well what happened when that
37:18
Speaker 1: feeling came back that you needed to murder someone? And
37:22
Speaker 1: he said, you can believe me or not, he said,
37:24
Speaker 1: but I could have been a serial killer. He said
37:27
Speaker 1: it was only his wife and children that prevented him
37:30
Speaker 1: from killing more people because he met his wife, he
37:32
Speaker 1: started having kids.
37:33
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, is there responsible Sarah Kellor.
37:37
Speaker 1: No, it's just like, uh, what's his face? Dennis Rader?
37:40
Speaker 1: He killed all those? Oh no, he didn't have or
37:43
Speaker 1: he said he would have killed more. He did go
37:44
Speaker 1: on like a It's like he went on a pause.
37:47
Speaker 1: There's plenty of them that had gone once they get
37:49
Speaker 1: a family, they go on a pause because it's like
37:51
Speaker 1: there have something in him. I guess, I don't know,
37:53
Speaker 1: but they he continued to kill people. Why, Yeah, I believe.
37:59
Speaker 1: But he did say he stopped for a long time
38:01
Speaker 1: because of his family. Anyway, So he said, I could
38:05
Speaker 1: have been a serial killer, he said. He said, I'm
38:08
Speaker 1: like a serial killer who only killed once. And that's
38:10
Speaker 1: the name of the episode, is the serial killer who
38:12
Speaker 1: only killed once. He told investigators that that's why he
38:16
Speaker 1: joined the army in the first place, was because he
38:18
Speaker 1: wanted to experience killing people. This entire interaction with him
38:22
Speaker 1: again was very disturbing, and investigators really couldn't believe what
38:25
Speaker 1: they were hearing, that this psychopath is just sitting here
38:28
Speaker 1: amongst us, you know. But the good thing is they
38:31
Speaker 1: now have Robin's killer in custody, and it does not
38:34
Speaker 1: appear that he had murdered anyone else when clearly he
38:38
Speaker 1: had plenty of opportunity and he clearly had the desire
38:42
Speaker 1: to do it. Now, five days later, after speaking to him,
38:44
Speaker 1: they did get that DNA results back and it was
38:48
Speaker 1: a match. So twenty nine years after Robin was murdered,
38:51
Speaker 1: they were able to charge Steven Smirk Stephen with the
38:55
Speaker 1: pH with a second degree murder charge. Now, this case
38:58
Speaker 1: would not go to trial, however, because Stephen pled guilty
39:01
Speaker 1: during his sentencing. He was sentenced to seventy years in prison. However,
39:05
Speaker 1: due to the laws in Virginia in nineteen ninety four,
39:07
Speaker 1: he'll be eligible for parole in twenty forty one. Twenty
39:11
Speaker 1: forty one, is that the right thing, Yeah, twenty twenty
39:15
Speaker 1: forty one, so that's in like twenty five years, so
39:18
Speaker 1: he would we have visitors right now, guys. But anyways,
39:20
Speaker 1: he would have been young whenever he originally did this,
39:23
Speaker 1: so he could skid out and be out for a
39:25
Speaker 1: few years before he hopefully he four nature gets him. Yeah,
39:29
Speaker 1: hopefully nature takes him out before he gets out. Thankfully.
39:33
Speaker 1: I have a stash of goodwill books, Like I go
39:35
Speaker 1: to the goodwill and like ransack the books for forty
39:39
Speaker 1: nine cents each.
39:40
Speaker 2: So yeah, I had to go coco the youngest one's
39:42
Speaker 2: ass so that she would.
39:43
Speaker 1: Say, we're coming up out, we're doing this.
39:45
Speaker 2: The oldest one decided to come in.
39:47
Speaker 1: And she knows what's going or she doesn't. She's knows
39:50
Speaker 1: what's going on in terms of like the microphones and
39:52
Speaker 1: like she can talk into it and then she can
39:54
Speaker 1: hear herself back if we play. For so, I have
39:56
Speaker 1: a stash of books that whenever I go to the
39:58
Speaker 1: good will they're forty nine since so I buy different
40:01
Speaker 1: books for like just for random gifts later on in
40:05
Speaker 1: the year, could be birthdays. And I put him in
40:06
Speaker 1: the closet and so she saw him and I'm like here.
40:09
Speaker 1: She's like, well, I'd like another else because she's like,
40:11
Speaker 1: what's that one for sissy? And I'm like it's not
40:14
Speaker 1: It's not a cocoa melon book, it's whatever. She's like, well,
40:18
Speaker 1: I want an else book, and I happen to have
40:20
Speaker 1: an Elsa book. I'm like here, take it. And then
40:23
Speaker 1: the baby comes in. Yes, then the baby comes in,
40:25
Speaker 1: I'm like, here, take this one. So they're only forty
40:27
Speaker 1: nine cents and I literally buy him and I just
40:29
Speaker 1: put him up here.
40:30
Speaker 2: To Yeah, we are on borrowed time right now.
40:33
Speaker 1: Yes, so go do So that's our case. Thankfully they
40:37
Speaker 1: found the person. Thankfully. He supposedly never killed anybody else,
40:42
Speaker 1: and I feel like if he had, he would have
40:43
Speaker 1: told him about it because he was very open. So
40:46
Speaker 1: I do believe he only killed one, the one Robin.
40:50
Speaker 1: So anyway, So and from what I understand is the
40:53
Speaker 1: daughter's doing fine. That she wasn't involved with the show,
40:57
Speaker 1: but she is doing okay after that traumatizing event.
41:03
Speaker 2: So and Ali, I guess what his mistress with his mistress?
41:07
Speaker 1: Oh, we don't care about Ali. Okay. It makes me
41:11
Speaker 1: wonder if he was so open to tell the police,
41:12
Speaker 1: if like other people knew about the mistress and maybe
41:15
Speaker 1: even I don't know if Robin knew about it or.
41:17
Speaker 2: What if it was just like a open secret.
41:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was very open about it. So but
41:21
Speaker 1: I don't know anyways, So Stude, do you have a
41:23
Speaker 1: y'all need you?
41:24
Speaker 2: I do?
41:25
Speaker 1: Okay.
41:25
Speaker 2: It comes to us from the Military Times Kara by
41:28
Speaker 2: Claire Barrett and J. D. Simpkin's Monday, February two, twenty
41:33
Speaker 2: twenty six. Man hospitalized after inserteing World War One munition
41:41
Speaker 2: up his rear.
41:43
Speaker 1: I messed up. That's my chair, everybody, But I just
41:45
Speaker 1: realize again blaming the baby. I am good at math.
41:49
Speaker 1: It's not twenty five years. It's fifteen years that he's
41:53
Speaker 1: he could be out in fifteen years. Oh attention, Okay,
41:56
Speaker 1: well I was thinking. I was thinking twenty fifty one.
42:01
Speaker 1: It was twenty forty one, so it's fifteen years. Anyways,
42:03
Speaker 1: go ahead, I just need to make the corrections due because.
42:06
Speaker 2: Someone in the like, did you even hear the headline?
42:09
Speaker 1: Karen No, I was too busy worrying about that. Then
42:11
Speaker 1: then someone's yelling at me, like, you dumb bitch. You
42:13
Speaker 1: can't even do math.
42:15
Speaker 2: You're too busy worrying about your MATHA hair man hospitalized
42:18
Speaker 2: after inserting World War one munition up his rear.
42:23
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Florida, Florida, right the shaker, Florida.
42:32
Speaker 2: Frenchman hospitalized after inserting Frenchman. Frenchman.
42:36
Speaker 1: Oh what the French? Oh you know it's it now.
42:39
Speaker 2: It seems like I've been doing my duo lingo for French. However,
42:43
Speaker 2: some of these pronunciations might not come out right.
42:46
Speaker 1: Duo lingo doesn't. I'm sure I need a new chair.
42:49
Speaker 1: This sounds like I'm doing something and I'm not. The
42:52
Speaker 1: duo lingo does not work. Stue's just upsays it. He
42:55
Speaker 1: knows no French. He's been doing it for two years,
42:57
Speaker 1: and you don't know anything.
42:59
Speaker 2: I can read it.
43:00
Speaker 1: He can't do anything. We went to France a year ago.
43:03
Speaker 1: He knew nothing.
43:04
Speaker 2: We'd been doing it for five minutes.
43:07
Speaker 1: No, we hadn't. We had been doing it since earlier
43:08
Speaker 1: in the year, and you knew nothing. It's a bullshit method.
43:12
Speaker 2: Anyway, go on. The anonymous Englishman who managed to lodge
43:18
Speaker 2: a two inch wide World War two anti tank shell
43:22
Speaker 2: inside his rectum back in twenty twenty one has been unseated.
43:27
Speaker 2: These people got puns for days. The phrase shell shock
43:31
Speaker 2: took on new meaning over the weekend when a twenty
43:34
Speaker 2: four year old Frenchman hobbled into the Renguier Hospital and
43:38
Speaker 2: to Lose France, complaining of an unspecified pain, rushed into surgery.
43:43
Speaker 2: The doctors soon discovered that the source of the unspecified
43:46
Speaker 2: pain turned out to be an eight inch long, thirty
43:50
Speaker 2: seven millimeters brass and copper shell used by the Imperial
43:53
Speaker 2: German Army in the late stages of the Great War WWI.
43:58
Speaker 2: According to the French newspaper the La Depege, the medical
44:04
Speaker 2: staff and to Loose are accustomed to treating victims injured
44:08
Speaker 2: during sexual games. To Louse sounds like a crazy little
44:13
Speaker 2: fun place to go, huh if you want to insert
44:16
Speaker 2: things in your rectum, but but are understandably unused to
44:23
Speaker 2: dislodging centuries old munitions from rectums. He was a in
44:28
Speaker 2: an god, I can't even talk. He was in an
44:31
Speaker 2: in a state of extreme discomfort, having inserted a large
44:36
Speaker 2: object up his rectums. Set in an investigating source stating the obvious.
44:42
Speaker 2: The artillery shell unexploded at the time of a removal,
44:46
Speaker 2: resulted in the evacuation of the hospital with an explosive
44:50
Speaker 2: ordinance disposal squad called to the hospital to ensure the
44:54
Speaker 2: munition was not in danger of detonating within the individual's
44:58
Speaker 2: personal her.
45:00
Speaker 1: Well, that's just like that's just adding another layer right there.
45:06
Speaker 1: It's like reminds me that one way at the home depot,
45:08
Speaker 1: whenever the guy did the bomb, they thought the bomb
45:10
Speaker 1: threat that you did because he was screaming fitting to
45:14
Speaker 1: blow this up and it reminds me of that that
45:19
Speaker 1: whole situation.
45:20
Speaker 2: So France is currently edging the British and it's centuries
45:23
Speaker 2: old rivalry, as this is not the first time a
45:26
Speaker 2: Frenchman has married munitions with the dairy air. In twenty
45:31
Speaker 2: twenty two, and eighty eight year old patient visited Hospital
45:35
Speaker 2: Saint Meuse Intulon, stunning doctors when they removed what turned
45:39
Speaker 2: out to be a World War One French era munition
45:42
Speaker 2: measuring eight inches long and more than two inches wide
45:46
Speaker 2: from the main's direct Surgeons were forced to cut open.
45:49
Speaker 1: They don't at least vibrate them, right, I did not
45:53
Speaker 1: say that.
45:54
Speaker 2: Yeah you did it. It's on tape.
45:56
Speaker 1: It's not the end. Nobody heard it.
45:57
Speaker 2: Surgeons were forced to cut open his abb them in
46:00
Speaker 2: order to remove the hefty relic due to the shells
46:03
Speaker 2: considerably above average size.
46:05
Speaker 1: What he is an eighty eight year old man doing that?
46:08
Speaker 1: Why and how did he get? How did he get
46:11
Speaker 1: how did he maneuver?
46:14
Speaker 2: We can give him a call, but he's.
46:15
Speaker 1: Must have set it down on something stabilized. What is
46:21
Speaker 1: happening in France?
46:23
Speaker 2: Well, we're about to get even an apple, a mango,
46:28
Speaker 2: or even a can of shaving foam. We are used
46:30
Speaker 2: to finding unusual objects inserted where they shouldn't be, one
46:34
Speaker 2: doctor reported, but a shell never. Yeah, evidently people are
46:40
Speaker 2: shoving apples, mangoes, and well I'm sure.
46:42
Speaker 1: They're here too.
46:44
Speaker 2: Yes.
46:45
Speaker 1: I think they had a whole TLC show about stuff
46:48
Speaker 1: like this. Yes.
46:49
Speaker 2: While the echoes of the Great War are now more
46:52
Speaker 2: than a century old, the vestiges of the deadly conflict
46:55
Speaker 2: remain along the Western Front, namely France and Belgium. Remnants
46:59
Speaker 2: of the First World War are still coming to the surface.
47:02
Speaker 2: About one point five billion shells were fired during the war,
47:06
Speaker 2: and unexploded ammunition continues to plague Western Europe, particularly France.
47:11
Speaker 1: All right, this gidding, no little two historicals do.
47:16
Speaker 2: Well.
47:16
Speaker 1: Let's say we're not reading the whole chapters about World
47:19
Speaker 1: War One, and.
47:22
Speaker 2: That's almost over. The annual collection of ordinances now called
47:26
Speaker 2: Ricolae de fert and Aaron harvest work to get rid
47:29
Speaker 2: blah blah, work to get rid the land, and now
47:33
Speaker 2: rectums of the explosives. I told you these people got jokes.
47:37
Speaker 2: You gotta read this story. You got to read it
47:39
Speaker 2: to the end. Kara, No, we don't on Saturday, firefighters
47:43
Speaker 2: confirmed that they had to fuse the bomb and that
47:45
Speaker 2: there was no further risk to the patient or those
47:47
Speaker 2: in proximity to the hospital. While the patient is expected
47:50
Speaker 2: to make a full physical recovery, the mental scars of
47:54
Speaker 2: his very own trench warfare is another story still recuperating.
47:58
Speaker 2: The French nationalists to be interviewed by a place this week,
48:01
Speaker 2: and prosecutors are considering legal action against the twenty four
48:06
Speaker 2: year old for handling Category A munitions.
48:09
Speaker 1: According to an officer, I mean is that necessary. Don't
48:13
Speaker 1: have bigger fish to fry anyways.
48:17
Speaker 2: Okay, now you got you got to set a president.
48:19
Speaker 2: If we get this thing out of your ass, we're
48:20
Speaker 2: gonna put you in jail so that anybody else that
48:22
Speaker 2: find stuff they quit putting in their ass and evacuating.
48:25
Speaker 1: Huh okay, all right, I think we're done. The children
48:28
Speaker 1: are coming back, so we need to stop talking about
48:31
Speaker 1: this about asses. Yes before, yes, excuse me?
48:34
Speaker 2: Ours is all right?
48:35
Speaker 1: Well that is our case for the week. We will
48:39
Speaker 1: I guess you got anything else to ads to shut it?
48:43
Speaker 1: We will see you next time, hopefully next week or
48:46
Speaker 1: let's we have a baby. We don't know it could anything.
48:49
Speaker 2: Could happen next week, next year, we just don't know.
48:51
Speaker 1: Definitely within the next two weeks. So anyways, we will
48:54
Speaker 1: see you next time. By every Wednesday by Stuytuve. You know,
49:00
Speaker 1: it's bad life to be superstitious, but nothing else. It's
49:07
Speaker 1: working and my hand is really hurting, and I'll shake
49:13
Speaker 1: a home.
49:14
Speaker 2: It's worry bout things I can't