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1/30/26: Don Lemon ARRESTED, Tulsi Election Scheme, Nikki Minaj Pivots Right w/ Touré · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: It's not as cold as you apparently, Crystal?
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  Speaker 4: should we start just with some quick breaking news that
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  Speaker 4: came right across our desk, hop right into it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a big one.
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  Speaker 2: So Don Lemon has been arrested in La and I
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  Speaker 2: just saw this come across Twitter. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you guys saw the specific Dad. He was charged with
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy to deprive rights. This is in the context of
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  Speaker 2: that church protest that he covered on his live stream
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  Speaker 2: Saga and I talked about this when it happened. Go ahead,
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  Speaker 2: put that back up on the screen, Griffin, because I
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  Speaker 2: do want to read a bit from this. This is
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  Speaker 2: the statement from his lawyer, Abby Lowll, who's very well known.
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  Speaker 2: He says Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal
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  Speaker 2: agents last night in La where he was covering the
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  Speaker 2: Grammy Awards. Don has been a journalist for thirty years.
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  Speaker 2: His constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than
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  Speaker 2: what he has always done. The First Amendment exists to
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  Speaker 2: protect journalists whose role it is to shine light on
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  Speaker 2: the truth and hold those in power accountable. There is
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  Speaker 2: no more important time for people like Don to be
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  Speaker 2: doing this work. Instead of investigating the federal agents who
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  Speaker 2: killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters, Trump Justice Department is devoting
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  Speaker 2: its time attention and resources to this arrest, and that
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  Speaker 2: is the real indictment of wrongdoing in this case. This
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  Speaker 2: unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to
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  Speaker 2: distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will
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  Speaker 2: not stand. Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly
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  Speaker 2: in court. Worth noting here in addition that they attempted
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  Speaker 2: to charge him to get charges filed against him previously,
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  Speaker 2: and the magistrate judge that looked at the charges you
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  Speaker 2: know against Don Lemon and the charges against they attempted
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  Speaker 2: to charge eight of the protesters who also came into
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  Speaker 2: the building. The judge refused to sign off on the
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  Speaker 2: charges against Don Lemon because he did not feel that
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  Speaker 2: there was sufficient evidence presented. There were only three of
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  Speaker 2: the protesters who actually ended up being charged based on
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  Speaker 2: that judge's assessment. So now they've decided to you know,
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  Speaker 2: Van paneled a grand jury and they went through this
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  Speaker 2: process and now you have these charges against Don Lemon.
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  Speaker 5: We covered this. Sagar and I had.
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  Speaker 2: A spirited debate about the protest itself, although you know,
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  Speaker 2: he I think more or less agreed with my assessment
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  Speaker 2: that Don Lemon. However, we feel about him was there
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  Speaker 2: as a journalist, He was not protesting. In fact, I
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  Speaker 2: watched a good bit of his coverage. He talked to
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  Speaker 2: people who were in the church, He talked to the pastor,
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  Speaker 2: he talked to the protesters, He asked them challenging questions.
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  Speaker 2: He asked challenging questions of everybody there. It's clear he
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  Speaker 2: has a perspective, as do we. That doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't acting as a journalist at that point. Journalists
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  Speaker 2: get tip offs all the time of news events that
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  Speaker 2: are going to happen. That's what occurred in this case.
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  Speaker 2: That's why he was there. And everyone, I don't care
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  Speaker 2: where you are in the political spectrum, if you care
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  Speaker 2: about the First Amendment, if you care about journalism, you
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  Speaker 2: have to stand up against this abuse because this is
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  Speaker 2: absolutely an outrageous attack on journalism.
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  Speaker 6: I'm in the wild minority, I think on the right
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  Speaker 6: now and when it comes to the Don Lemon thing,
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  Speaker 6: because for the part of the reason that Krystal was
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  Speaker 6: saying just now is journalists do get tip offs all
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  Speaker 6: the time. Tips off Is it like attorney's general tip
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  Speaker 6: offs all of the time where you are being you
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  Speaker 6: know something's going to happen, and then you can see
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  Speaker 6: how if you set the precedent of saying, because Don
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  Speaker 6: Lemon knew X, Y and Z was going to take
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  Speaker 6: place in order to kind of follow it around, he
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  Speaker 6: is then an active participant. By the way, the government
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  Speaker 6: has informants who do that all the time. That's kind
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  Speaker 6: of another question. And if you start setting that precedent.
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  Speaker 6: It happened to a guy named Steve Baker from The
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  Speaker 6: Blaze on January sixth, and he had a hell of
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  Speaker 6: a fight to get out of that. And I just
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  Speaker 6: think that's you know, it's as someone who's on the
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  Speaker 6: right and goes to protests and stuff, sometimes you just
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  Speaker 6: can realize how or you realize how quickly. Like I'm
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  Speaker 6: open to the evidence that Don Lemon was more of
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  Speaker 6: a conspirator if it exists, I haven't seen it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not convinced by any of it.
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  Speaker 6: In his live stream, he says, I'm here as a
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  Speaker 6: journalist to document what's going on as goofy as Don
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  Speaker 6: Lemon is.
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  Speaker 3: He did make that clear.
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  Speaker 6: And so if just getting a tip and following it
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  Speaker 6: with a live stream makes you complicit in a protest,
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  Speaker 6: I just don't honestly don't think that's worth it. You
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  Speaker 6: can maybe make the like a ham Sandwich prosecution where
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  Speaker 6: you have this like technical case against Don Lemon, like
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  Speaker 6: he knew this was happening and because there's something in
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  Speaker 6: the law blah blah blah. But it's just it's absolutely
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  Speaker 6: not worth it, because that's going to be turn around
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  Speaker 6: so fast, you know, on Nick Sorder or any of
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  Speaker 6: those other people who are bopping around Minneapolis.
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  Speaker 3: If there's a Democratic president.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think, Greff.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, a huge Don Lemon fan here. I'm jealous.
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  Speaker 3: Lemonhead is what he calls them.
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  Speaker 4: He's about to get a lot of new subscriptions. We
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  Speaker 4: should get one of our hosts arrested maybe and get
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  Speaker 4: some new traffic to the show. Yeah, obviously it's I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what the justification is. Seems like Emily has
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  Speaker 4: there always been like this odd sort of Republican hang
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  Speaker 4: up over Don Lemon's specific like did he do something
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  Speaker 4: like what was his original sin against Trump that he can't.
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  Speaker 3: He was he was one of.
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  Speaker 6: The most egregiously like it's just egregiously anti Trump forces
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  Speaker 6: at CNN during Trump one point zero, he was doing
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  Speaker 6: those handoffs with Chris Cuomo at the height of the
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  Speaker 6: like uh, CNN effort to do the apples and bananas thing,
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  Speaker 6: like some people will try to tell you that this
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  Speaker 6: is a banana, but it's an apple, and they were
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  Speaker 6: pretending to be like neutral observers of the whole thing.
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  Speaker 6: And so I think that's where he got under everyone's
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  Speaker 6: skin most but lemon is an has an interesting history
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  Speaker 6: and that Christly you'll remember because I think you were
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  Speaker 6: at MSNBC at the time during like og BLM, he
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  Speaker 6: was a little a little more conservative.
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  Speaker 2: Now he did a lot of black respectability politics, like
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  Speaker 2: pull up your pants type of like mind the Right,
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  Speaker 2: which was.
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  Speaker 3: Guy that virals like that. They would make it.
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  Speaker 2: Viralbsolutely, which is why when he got fired from CNN.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the reason he got fired, if memory serves,
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  Speaker 2: was over remember those comments he made about Nikki Haley
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  Speaker 2: not being in her prime or whatever, Like I think
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  Speaker 2: that was the precipitating event. There might have been some
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  Speaker 2: other things that came out, anyway, that was what facility
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  Speaker 2: precipitated his exit. And I was like, this is a
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  Speaker 2: perfect setup for him to grift to the right, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he has this black you know, that he
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  Speaker 2: could be the model minority.
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  Speaker 5: He got fired.
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  Speaker 2: For these like for this crazy PC woke reason, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, and there would have been a huge lane
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  Speaker 2: available for him, much easier for him to make it
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  Speaker 2: there than to succeed, you know, continuing in the liberal lane.
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  Speaker 2: To his credit, in my opinion, he has stayed in
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  Speaker 2: like a liberal you know, political positioning. And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think his channel is doing fairly well. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's been relatively successful. I haven't checked in on like
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  Speaker 2: all the numbers or whatever. Anyway, all of this is
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  Speaker 2: really far afield from the fact that you know, as
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  Speaker 2: Don Lemon is going to be fine. He's a wealthy guy,
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  Speaker 2: he's got a great lawyer. This I think is an
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  Speaker 2: outrageous assault on the First Amendment. The point isn't so
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  Speaker 2: much about Don Lemon, but it's about every other journalist
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  Speaker 2: and independent journalist in particular, who now has to consider
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  Speaker 2: whether covering this protest is going to land them in
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  Speaker 2: hot water with the administration. I mean, it's one more
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  Speaker 2: example of them using, whether it's the law or the
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  Speaker 2: university system or their secret police, you know, the mass
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  Speaker 2: thugs in the street, all of these mechanisms to crush
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  Speaker 2: any sort of dissent. Trump himself has basically come out
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  Speaker 2: and said that he thinks it should be illegal to
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  Speaker 2: criticize him, and that is the way they're acting here.
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  Speaker 2: So Don Lemon getting charged here again. I don't care
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  Speaker 2: how you feel about Don Lemon. I don't care whether
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  Speaker 2: you agree with his politics or not. Should journalists be
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  Speaker 2: able to go and cover protests, even controversial ones, right,
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  Speaker 2: even ones that may violate the law. For me, watching
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  Speaker 2: his live stream, I actually got a lot out of it, because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it would be easy for me, as a
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  Speaker 2: leftist to have a very stereotypical view of the congregants
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  Speaker 2: in that church, and instead I had to actually deal
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  Speaker 2: with who they were as human beings. Some of them
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  Speaker 2: said to him, like, look, I actually might agree with
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  Speaker 2: some of the points of the protesters, I just really
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  Speaker 2: disagree with them doing this here and now in my church.
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  Speaker 2: So it made it more difficult for me to have
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  Speaker 2: a very flat and stereotypical view of what unfolded there,
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  Speaker 2: and so that is you know, he added something important
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  Speaker 2: to the understanding of that day. Frankly, I think he
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  Speaker 2: gave it was probably more beneficial to the right than
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  Speaker 2: it was to the left to have those images and
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  Speaker 2: that video from inside the church while they were doing
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  Speaker 2: that action on that day. So in any case, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not holding my breath for a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: to be principled like you, Emily on the right, and
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  Speaker 2: you know all the people who five seconds ago were
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  Speaker 2: free speech bros. I am very doubtful that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be out there defending the honor of Don Lemon.
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  Speaker 5: But they should be.
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  Speaker 2: They absolutely should be, and not just because there's a
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  Speaker 2: possibility that a future AOC is going to go after
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  Speaker 2: them in the same way, but just because of the
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  Speaker 2: principle of the thing. You either support these rights that
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  Speaker 2: were supposedly, you know, make our country so great, or
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  Speaker 2: you don't.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the bottom line for me.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the Steve Baker case. I'm sharing an
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  Speaker 3: Associated Press article from the time. So Baker actually ended
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  Speaker 3: up pleading guilty, he said, to avoid the shame of
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  Speaker 3: a trial and all of that. But this is the
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  Speaker 3: Capitol Police.
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  Speaker 6: He was actually just like he went through you can
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  Speaker 6: see here he went through a broken door and quote
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  Speaker 6: joined the mob at the barricaded doors to the House chamber.
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  Speaker 3: He was documenting it the entire time.
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  Speaker 6: He said that the affidavit against him said that he
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  Speaker 6: quote antagonized police officers asking are you going to use
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  Speaker 6: that gun on us, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: But again he was there like covering it.
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  Speaker 6: And so it's one of those things where I think,
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  Speaker 6: because that happened to someone on the right, there's this
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  Speaker 6: idea that it's more acceptable than to go after Don
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  Speaker 6: Lemon because the next Democratic administration won't learn not to
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  Speaker 6: go after a Steve Baker in the future. Like you
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  Speaker 6: can go back and look at the videos that Baker
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  Speaker 6: was taking at the time. I think it's all but
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  Speaker 6: it was obviously an over prosecution.
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  Speaker 3: But that's just not true.
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  Speaker 6: Like it's you can win in the court of public opinion,
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  Speaker 6: and you can win in elections, and you can make
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  Speaker 6: these issues front and center without you know, taking the
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  Speaker 6: same low road.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: The most basic kindergarten lessons either, like two wrongs don't
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  Speaker 2: make a right, guys, And guess what, when you normalize
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  Speaker 2: this type of behavior, you make it more likely, not
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  Speaker 2: less that you're not like teaching anyone a lesson. The
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  Speaker 2: lesson you're teaching them is, oh, we will do anything,
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  Speaker 2: We will use any lever of power that we possibly can,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe you need to think about doing the same.
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  Speaker 6: So I was when I was on the outside of
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  Speaker 6: the Capitol in January sixth, I had no idea what
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  Speaker 6: was about to happen. I followed everyone from the ellipse
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  Speaker 6: and was literally like talking to people, what.
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  Speaker 3: Are you doing, where are you here, where you're from?
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  Speaker 6: And get up to the Capitol and see this melee
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  Speaker 6: and I was get like I wanted to go in
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  Speaker 6: the building because I didn't know if reporters were in
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  Speaker 6: the building. And yeah, someone very wise said like, just
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  Speaker 6: don't go in. There are reporters in the building, don't
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  Speaker 6: do it. And I am so honestly so grateful for
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  Speaker 6: that because of what happened to Baker, for example, because
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  Speaker 6: he's a conservative. He was I think pretty clearly targeted
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  Speaker 6: because he was one of the conservatives there. Like the
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  Speaker 6: Capital Press Corps, they're fine because they're there every day,
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  Speaker 6: people know who they are.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine, But I am honestly grateful for that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure my data was like swept up in all
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  Speaker 6: of the you know, dragnet that they applied because they
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  Speaker 6: were geotagging stuff. But it's something that you actually have
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  Speaker 6: to think about now, and I think that sucks, whether
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  Speaker 6: you're Don Lemon or Steve Baker.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 2: We had a bunch of red carpet moments last night,
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  Speaker 2: Griffin right at the glitzy Milania movie premiere.
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  Speaker 6: M m.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, everyone who is anyone was there on the red carpet,
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  Speaker 4: and it was just a quintessential Trump moment to not
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  Speaker 4: only be promoting a film that is self grandizing about
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  Speaker 4: his own family, but to also be dealing with all
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  Speaker 4: of the world's issues. There are a lot of different
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  Speaker 4: topics here that he tackled on the red carpet, But
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to start with Tulsi Gabbard. He was asked
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  Speaker 4: why Tulsi was at an election center in Georgia. Gabert
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  Speaker 4: doing at.
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  Speaker 5: An election center in Georgia today.
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  Speaker 6: She's working very hard on trying to keep the election
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  Speaker 6: safe and she's done a very good job.
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  Speaker 4: And they you know, they got into the votes.
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  Speaker 2: You got to sign Judge's order in Georgia and you
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  Speaker 2: to see some interesting things happening.
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  Speaker 4: They've been trying to get there for a low We're
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  Speaker 4: gonna start seeing some interesting things happening there now. Tulsi,
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  Speaker 4: it's been reported has been tasked over the last few
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  Speaker 4: months with investigating this twenty twenty election. What do we
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  Speaker 4: make of all that?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think, Emily I got to talk about
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  Speaker 2: this on yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: It's the Trump himself, I mean just Tolci Gbert's side.
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  Speaker 6: Trump has been posting absolutely like bonker stuff on truth
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  Speaker 6: social about twenty twenty, like going deep into the kind
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  Speaker 6: of stuff that actually got Fox in such hot water,
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  Speaker 6: like Italian voting machines. I don't even know, Like the
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  Speaker 6: conspiracy theories are so rich that I asked, like, there,
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  Speaker 6: you have.
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  Speaker 2: To do some new ones for me too. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was something that people say, Well.
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  Speaker 4: Well to that point before, not to interrupt your just
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  Speaker 4: to that point. ABC has reported where some of these
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  Speaker 4: election conspiracies might be coming from, and apparently there's someone
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  Speaker 4: known as the Heiress that is dropping some of these
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  Speaker 4: conspiracy theories. Over late Wednesday night, the president reposted to
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  Speaker 4: a social media platform and claimed that Italian military satellites
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  Speaker 4: had been used to hack into US voting machines to
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  Speaker 4: flip votes from Trump to Joe Biden. As documented in
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  Speaker 4: a twenty twenty one book, betrayal the final act of
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  Speaker 4: the Trump Show. The conspiracy theory was brought to the
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  Speaker 4: White House by a woman who went by several aliases,
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  Speaker 4: including the Heiress, and was known at the Pentagon for
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: her claim ties to Somali pirates. Huh, yes, I told
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: you guys, don't sell on Somemali's She passed her material
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  Speaker 4: off to a National Security Council official at a supermarket
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  Speaker 4: parking lot in Arlington. So the Heiress is now in charge.
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  Speaker 2: I remember there was some woman who was like, I think,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: sending emails to Tucker Carlson who thought who said she
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  Speaker 2: was like a spirit ghost or something like that. That was,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: you know, pushing some of the last the election conspiracies
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  Speaker 2: the first time around. The memory serves there was something
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  Speaker 2: like that that was going on.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I will say, first of all, like
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  Speaker 6: Fulton County in twenty twenty was an absolute mess. The
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  Speaker 6: New York Times described what happened on election night is
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  Speaker 6: like a quote meltdown in Fulton County at the time,
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  Speaker 6: and there were.
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  Speaker 3: A total disaster. Apparently.
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  Speaker 6: My understanding of this is that they're looking for these
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  Speaker 6: quote zero tapes. I guess the search weren't according to
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  Speaker 6: I think Cleedom Mitchell's conservative attorneys been involved in this stuff.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: That's what part of the search weren't was for, and
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: that's recording early votes. And so there's also let me
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: pull up this, Yeah, so Fulton County. This is a
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: headline in the Federalists from December, quote, we don't dispute
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: three hundred and fifteen thousand votes lacking poll worker signatures
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: were counted in twenty twenty, so they might be looking
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: for something like that.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: I haven't gone deep into it personally, but because even
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: if you like, so if you say.
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: Georgia had significant error, so one thing that did happen
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: is there were more votes counted than the margin. There
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: were more votes counted that were from addresses outside of county,
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: so like people had moved that then the margin of
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: victory for Biden and Georgia in twenty twenty. But those
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: are legitimate votes, meaning like they're real people. It wasn't
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: like fake people. It was just that they hadn't registered properly.
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: So but even if you give Georgia in the Biden column,
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: he like that's it's you still have to like make
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: up in other states too. So I don't think people
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: will have confidence that a gabbered probe into Fulton County
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: is going to bear fruit. And I hate the I
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: hate the twenty twenty election stuff because Ben Sas and
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: I know people on the right hate Ben Sas, but
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: he put it really well in a statement after January sixth,
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: which is that Trump had been quote playing with fire
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: by and that's maybe even an understatement by flirting with
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: the Sidney Powell stuff, promoting the Sidney Powell stuff and
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: all of that, because you're just asking You're telling people
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: that an election was was dole and outright from under
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: their noses. So of course people are going to storm
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: the Capitol, like that's what you're asking for when you
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: are so reckless with what you're as the President of
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: the United States putting out into the public domain.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I mean in terms of Georgia, right, every election, because
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: they are run by localities, there are going to be
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: some places where things do not go smoothly. Okay, this
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is the reality of democracy in America. Georgia at the
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: time and to this day, was run by a Republican
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: governor Republican secretary of State. There was a recount in Georgia,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and guess what It all turned out fine. There were
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: no problems there that had you know, that came anywhere
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: close to the margin by which Trump lost. You'll recall
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you had that infamous phone call with Brad Robinsburg, find
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: me eleven thousand votes.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, So there's that.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: You had Rudy Giuliani who went out and defamed some
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of these election were who are just like I mean,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I don't I know.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: The ladies who work my polling place right.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: These are usually like elderly women who volunteer their time
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: because they believe in the civic good. And he went
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: out there and attacked them and made them they like
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: they were some you know, great villains and fraudsters. They
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: won I think one hundred and eighty six million dollar
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: defamation claim against him. There were, of course, so many
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: lawsuits that Sagur and I covered extensively at the time
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: from the Trump administration trying to push their claims in court.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Not a single one of them was found to have
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: any veracity. I hate that I'm even having to say
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: this at this point, like, really, people, can we please
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: move the fuck on? But the most optimistic are the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: most hopeful take on what is going on here is
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: that you know, this is Tulcy Gabbard, who's been sidelined,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: trying to get back into Trump's good graces by doing
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: some bullshit. And it was the US attorney in Missouri
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: who signed off on this, who apparently has been given
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: this charge to like, you know, go back and relitigate
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the twenty two the election everywhere, and is you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: a partisan lackey there in Missouri. So in any case,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the most optimistic thing is that this is a stupid
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Trump boondoggle that is not really going to impact much
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: of anything, and it's just about Tolsi trying to get
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: back in his good graces. The more concerning analysis, which
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: everybody has to be worried about, given the fact that
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: this man already has a track record of trying to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: steal an election, given that this man just said that
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: he regrets not having the National Guard sees the ballot boxes,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: is that this is an attempt to take control of
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: state and county election machinery. This is a test run
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: for how much can we get away with how much
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: sort of like you know, smoke and mirrors and problems
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: can we cause leading up to twenty twenty six and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: ultimately twenty twenty eight. In twenty twenty six, John Ossoff
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: is the most endangered Democrat running. I think he's got
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: a good shot of, you know, winning re election if
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: things are free and fair. But apparently that's big. If
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: there is a Georgia election law that was passed in
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the wake of twenty twenty that allows Republicans in the
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: state to take control its passed through a Republican legislature
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: to take control of county election boards, if there are
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: some sort of like investigations or some claims of malfeasance
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and fraud that are made. So there's an Atlanta Journal
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Constitution piece out that's arguing that this is all about
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: trying to seize control of the Fulton County election board
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: by Trump loyalists, and god only knows what that could mean.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: So again, Georgia being a key state and that being
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a key Senate race coming up, those are the things
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: that people should be very, very concerned about as they
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: watch this all unfold.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: To that point, Christill, we've got from the Washington Street
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Journal here Wall Street Journal. Sorry. Gabbard has consulted with
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: others in the intelligence community about claims of foreign interference
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: in the twenty twenty election, the official said, though she
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: hasn't provided the public with new evidence of it, she's
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: expected to repair a report on her work that people
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: said the administration has discussed executive orders on voting ahead
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: of the mid term elections. Two of the officials set, so, yes,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: it seems to be not only a sort of humiliation
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: tour for Tulsey, but a test run for all that
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: good stuff coming up in the future. Emily, how far
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: do you think they'll go for the mid terms as
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: opposed to a twenty twenty eight.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean, so this is why you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: I can't dismiss what Kristal is saying about potential interference
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: coming up, like what this could grow into because Trump
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: is himself a wild card. And let me just read
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: here from Margot Cleveland, who's a conservative attorney who's followed the.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Georgia stuff very very closely. She wrote.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: In twenty twenty, Joe Biden won the Georgia general election
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: by eleven seven hundred and seventy nine votes out of
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: nearly five million bollots cast. Following the election, Trump filed
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: suit in a Fulton County state court arguing approximately thirty
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: five thousand Georgians may have illegally voted in a county
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: in which they did not reside, goes on to then say,
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: after the November twenty twenty election, Mark Davis, the president
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: of Data Productions, Inc. And an expert in voter data
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: analytics and residency issues, pulled from the US Postal Services
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: National Change of Address database and cross reference that information
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: with records from the Georgia's Secretary.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Of State's office.
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: His analysis showed that nearly thirty five thousand Georgia voters
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: who had moved from one Georgia county to another voted
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty general election in the county from
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: which they have moved. So all that is to say,
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: there's a world in which the Fulton County probe is
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: restricted to like this type of like clerical question about
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: what happened and where you know they may have aired.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: It's a lot for the federal government to get involved
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: and read the offices and all of that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: So maybe maybe you have a totally.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Responsible, targeted investigation, but I don't think that's if I'm
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: looking at how Donald Trump reacted in twenty twenty to
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: the election with the Sydney Powellism and all of that.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: And by the way, Ryan and I talked about this Maduro.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Trump has since said that they're not talking to Maduro
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: about potential dominion voting machine stuff, but some of this
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: goes directly back to Maduro, and it's possible that they
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: could be. I mean, Trump has said no, but it's
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: possible that some of this is coming from information that
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: they're trying to follow, like foreign interference. Is it because
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: they've been talking to Maduro about certain things?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Like there was this is a funny story.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: When I was on the floor of the RNC, actually
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: of the media area of the RNC in twenty twenty four,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: Rudy someone came up to Ruddy Giuliani and introduced themselves
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: and he could not like process the information for whatever reason.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: And they said they were from Pennsylvania and he was like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: I was just overhearing this, and he was like, oh, Venezuela,
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: guys are responsible.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: For all the voting.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: And the guy was like Pennsylvania and he was like, yes, Venezuela.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so you have to be dealt with.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought about the Madero thing too. I mean,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the the fact that Tulsi is involved is a signal
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: that it's not going to be some responsible, narrow look
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: at potential clerical issues from the twenty twenty I mean
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: of everything argues against that, But Tulsi's involvement, given that
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: she is the Director of National Intelligence, tells you that
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: they are exploring some sort of bonkers Venezuela, Italian, Chinese
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: whatever conspiracy theory, which again, as Griffin started the segment
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: by saying, Trump is posting or maybe you said it, Emily,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Trump is posting these insane things on true social right now,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: so we know where his mind is at and what
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: he's looking to get on of this.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: And this is part of the problem with like the
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Trump era in general, is that the dominion voting situation
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: in venezuel Like it is legitimate, Like why the story
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: of the voting machines is just like, it's so stupid
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: and ridiculous.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: The story of.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: Fulton County in twenty twenty, it's so stupid and ridiculous.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: But then it gets built into this crazy like conspiracy
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: theory about foreign actors and a concerted effort to steal
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: the election from Donald Trump with counting mismatched county residencies
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: and all of that and you just put the picture
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: together the way that Trump talks about it or Sidney
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: Powell was talking about it, and you're like.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Holy smokes.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: But because there are these like origin stories that if
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: you can pull up the thread, you're like, why are
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: we doing because we did so many stupid things, it's
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: it makes it more powerful with people who want to
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: believe that there was some grand conspiracy to have people
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: in Georgia like vote where they shouldn't be because they
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: moved six months ago or something like that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: So that great.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: The twenty twenty stuff is going to look cute when
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: we go to twenty twenty eight. In every cat you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: every county clerk is on polymarket betting for the election.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: So it's a really good point.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: That's a really.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Every election is going to be the most trusted election
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: of all time and compared to twenty twenty eight. So
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: get excited for that, everybody. So we want to move
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: on to a little more ice stuff. So Trump was
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: asked about Springfield, Ohio. Now Springfield, Ohio, for those who
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: don't remember, was the eating the cats and dogs topic
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: during the twenty twenty four election. JD Vance announcing directional
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: truth as sort of a strategy for the Trump administration
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: that I thought was quite honest. But now Trump was
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: asked if Ice is going to be going into Springfield
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: to I guess start deporting the Haitian population that lives there.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I mean already, well, let we see what's happening.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Springfield is not a happy place with what they did Springfield.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: I love Springfield, Ohio.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I won Springfield, Ohio.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, during the Biden administration they did great damage
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to Springfield.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: So we've got that here, and before we react to that,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I also wanted to pull up the House. Democrats have
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: released a new set of demands for what they want
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: DHS to change and if they're going to fund them
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: and the government. Some of the bullet point list here
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: if you can't see it on screen. Ensure icen CBP
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: immediately leave Minneapolis and stop terrorizing citizens and arrest without
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: judicial warrants. Ensure full and pendent transparent into investigations into
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: DHS related shootings and detention and deportation of US citizens.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: What a big ask. And the anonymity of federal agents.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Ensure robust minimum standards at detention facilities. Those are the
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: main ones. Here. What are we to expect with what
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: seems to be the upcoming Springfield raid.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's worth noting, you know, most of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: most of the migrants in Springfield, Ohio are Haitian. Most
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: of them had temporary protected status. Although there'd be a
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: variety of different you know, time periods, when people move there,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: et cetera, and you know, the legal framework would be
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: different for different people, but that is the vast majority.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: There was just an appeals court ruling saying that when
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Christy noam ended temporary protected status for Venezuelans and for Haitians,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: that that was done unlawfully. However, that policy may still
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: be may still be enforced while those appeals play out.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: So this was an appeals court ruling. So you're already
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: at sort of like a higher level. I suspect this
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: will ultimately go to the Supreme Court, but I believe
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: there's status if you you know, buy that know them
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: did this lawfully and something like February third, And that's
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: why the expectation is that they're going to move in
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: quickly to Springfield, Ohio to make good on what we're
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: effectively there like campaign threats against this migrant population and
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I you know, fully expect, given how slow and impotent
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: the courts have been in many cases, and how much
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: this administration just.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Routinely, routinely, routini routinely.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Flouts whatever the court's rule, that you know, this is
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a very real possibility that they begin sweeping people up
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and trying to deport them while this continues to make
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: its way through the court process.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: So the TPS ruling is really important here. And that's
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: why Trump even remembers probably the name Springfield, Ohio.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: It's almost like that question.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: I don't know who asked that question, but that sounds
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: like one of those questions people sometimes like someone's like, hey,
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: you should ask about Springfield, Like someone in the admin
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: is like, hey, you should ask about Springfield. But Springfield's
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: local process covering this, like here's a headline from the
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: Springfield New Sun that says, fear grip Springfield Haitians on
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: the cusp of losing legal status to live work in
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: the city that they love, and people probably member this
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: was kind of vaulted into the public's attention by a
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: New York Times story originally that was fairly nuanced about
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: how this relatively small community of Springfield had been absolutely
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: swamped with a influx that I think it was like
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: a tanema feel like, or it was equivalent to like
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: twenty five percent of the population of Springfield had.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Come in a really short period of time.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: There was a school bus accident where people were killed
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: Haitian driver, and the community was super super divided over
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: what had happened.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: And also at the.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: Same time you had business owners being like, the Haitians
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: are great workers, They're filling these jobs, and it was
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: you know, that's that's what originally had everybody talking about Springfield, Ohio.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: And then Rufo went in and what there was.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Like a cat bae barbecued ten miles away, Like that
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: is that am I remembering correctly?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: It was like, yeah it was, but he claimed it was.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: And there was like a picture of someone holding a goose.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was just the yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: That's average j for that's an average RFK story. I
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: thought we liked that stuff.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: I mean, but the bottom line is the community had
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: genuinely been like there was a serious problem in Springfield.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: While I think that is it's fair to say the
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: community was divided over it, there was a huge anytime
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: you have a huge influx of people who are coming
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: in a short period of time, not native speakers, Like,
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: it's just going to be a tough process, and Springfield
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: was undergoing that obviously. And this this TPS thing is
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: super interesting because a lot of the Haitians were coming
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: from Chile or Argentina or Brazil because after twenty ten,
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: they had already moved out of Haiti, Like there's mass
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: displacement after twenty ten, and under normal circumstances, Cubans, Haitians,
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Venezuelans had pretty good asylum claims and refugee claims when
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: they were crossing into the US. But in the Biden administration,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: you had a lot of economic migrants, Like I talked
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: to Haitian who had spent months in the streets in
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: Reinosa like a cartel town, because they were so desperate
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: to come into the US that they were literally like
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: camping outside picking up jobs, and people around town were
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: like those Haitians are such hard workers and the reason
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: is that they wanted to come into the US. And
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: so that created these new pathways. And it's just going
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: to suck because there's people like you's thinking about Cubans
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: and Venezuelan's and people another kid I met. He showed
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: me his scar he was Cuban from being beat during
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: the July eleventh protests.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: That's what he said happened. And that's when he left Cuba.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: And it's like, there are people with legitimate asylum claims
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: who are going to be kicked out of the country probably.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Well or there's also.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's also and uh no one has
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: done a better job of explaining this than our own
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Ryan Graham. There's also the fact that, like in all
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: three of those instances, Haiti, Cuba, and Venezuela, a good
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: part of the reason why those countries are so fucked.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Up it's because of us.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've you know, Haiti, we have never
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: stopped messing around with their politics and screwing them.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: I mean from the founding.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: From the original Slaver Volt through to the present day,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: we've never stopped screwing them over. So it's like, Okay,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: if you don't want refugees to come to our country,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: why don't you stop creating refugee crises that force people
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to leave. Like most people want to stay in their
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: home country. They're not excited about moving to you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: like America's a great country, but people like to stay
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: where they're from. It's easier their families there, like they
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: do know the culture. They don't get attacked by president
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: who's racist and hateful from the stage and have all
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: of this shit happened to them. So, I mean, that's
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the thing that I get so disgusted with. And you
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: know that you see, you know, now we're taking over
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Venezuela and it's like, okay, and if this doesn't work out,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have another flood of Venezuela migrants that you're
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: all going to fucking demonize, and you're gonna forget that
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: ten seconds ago. You know, we were the ones causing
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: that problem. So the whole thing just U discussed me
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: from the lies and the blatant racism around it to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the you know, complete erasure and ignorance around our country's
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: own repeated interventions there that helped to create the chaos
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that these people are fleeing because Haiti has become I mean,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: it is you know, there are massive, massive problems and
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: violence and poverty and all of that. So in any case,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you know, I think probably the you know, the assumption
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: that they're going into Springfield next is correct, and Griffin,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: let's before Torre jumps in here, let's just real quick
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: play the one where Trump says that they're not backing
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: down whatever whatsoever in terms of Minneapolis.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: So we can just react to that quickly as well.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: I want to keep our country shafe.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: We'll do whatever we can to keep our country shave.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: So no, none at all, not.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: At all, not at all, and that details with he
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: just posted on true social some like unhinged greed about
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Alex Pretty being an insurrectionist and blah blah blah. So
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: you know, I think there was a moment of Susie
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Wiles or Trump himself recognizing Democrats had a bit of
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: leverage when it came to the government funding. Democrats have
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: all but already given up that leverage, and so now
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Trump can just go back to like, no, it's all
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: systems go. We're not doing anything different, you know, it's
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: we're going to continue in this in the same direction.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: We're not changing course whatsoever.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I noticed when those demands, like it's like
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the going back to the House Democrat demands, they're basically saying,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: please follow the rules. But they're way past that, like
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: they the base wants you to say we're going to
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: start prosecuting you guys like fun.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, it has to be it has to be funding,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Like you have to deal with the funding because yeah,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I mean one of the demands is literally, don't deport
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: us citizens. But that's already illegal, Like how are we
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: negotiating over this?
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Or even though you a warrant thing.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: It's like, that's already a violation of the Fourth Amendments.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: So what are we doing here? But you know, I mean,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: they're whatever. So I think I said from the beginning,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I thought that the posture and the switching of Greg
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Bavino out Tom Homan in. Tom Homan is no softy
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: or sweetheart either. He architected the Child's Operation policy during
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the original Trump administration that this would be war for show.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that the reality on the ground. And
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: maybe Minneapolis might not change because they realize they're getting
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: some court decisions against them, Maybe they go to a
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: different place, maybe at Springfield, Ohio.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: The overall thrust is baked in.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is a core like part
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: and parcel of what this administration is up to, not
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: only with regard to immigration, but with regard to this
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: sort of like show of force against their and and
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: warfare that they see it as like warfare being waged
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: against their political opponents.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: Just what's up on the screen right now is this
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: is I was a like a migrant detention, not detention,
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: a migrant like nonprofit place. It was like a Catholic
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: nonprofit in Texas. And what their show on the screen.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: These Haitian men who haven't lived in Haiti for a
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: long time since like twenty ten, are showing their asylum
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: papers and they were years and years into the future.
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: And so that's just this is just to say like
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: like three years. I think in some of these cases,
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: one of them might have had a five year court
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: date into the future. And all that is just to say,
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: like there was a real expectation that people could build
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: lives here and here's and that's why you know, there
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: are a lot of people who don't. Communities were just
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: thrust into such weird positions. Here's a group of Haitians
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: in right now. So people can go watch this if
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: they want, but it's people saying they were trying to
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: explain in English, like why they were sleeping outside.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I think that was the question.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: And at one point it was clear that they were
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: like struggling to come up with the words, and I said, oh,
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: the American dream, and then they all lit up and
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: they were like, yes.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: The American dream.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: And so this is where you're going to see communities
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: like Springfield once again be absolutely like divided and chaotic
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: because a lot of people have had great haitil workers
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: in their communities and they have been there for a
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: very very long time now, like several years, and other
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: people who are going to say get them all out,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: and it's just going to be, Yeah, it's about to
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: get It's not de escalating, it's about to get.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Well, one last note with regard to that, because that's
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: a genuine problem. You know that there was such a
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: backlock in the system so people could come in and
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: whether their asylum claim was legit or not, they could
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: claim the asylum and then have the confidence. It's going
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: to take years before I ever, this zever gets really
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: worked out. By that time, I'm established, I've made some
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: money and been able to send whatever the one big
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: beautiful bill that Sir flooded Ice with ungodly amounts of money,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: making it the best funded law enforcement agency in history,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: making immigration enforcement budget larger than the military budgets of
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: every country except our own and China. Okay, that bill
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: explicitly limits the number of immigration that are allowed to exist.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So if your goal is to speed up that process
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: and make that streamline and run more efficiently, that's something
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I'm for.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Like, I support that.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I think that is a smart and sense something that
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: it seems like everyone should get on board with. But
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: they go in the opposite direction and say, no, we
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: want to limit the legal pathways for people to be
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: able to have their asylum claims adjudicated, and instead we
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: want to explore all of the ways that we can
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: avoid due process and mass ship people out or scare
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: them out with our cruelty. That's the direction that we
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: want to go in. And so I think it's important
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: for people to understand that is built in, that is
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: like at the beating heart of their approach. And again,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: it's not just about immigration. It's about this show of
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: force in the streets. It's about them truly believing their
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: like left of center opponents as being some like network
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: of domestic terrorists must be quashed and assaulted and defeated
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and arrested and scared et cetera, which you know, I mean,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the Don Lemon thing that we started with fits in
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: with that whole, that whole conception of how they're approaching
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: things as well.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Well. Speaking of legal status, that leads us nicely to
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Nicki minaj and her new Trump Gold card, which will
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: lead us also nicely to our guest.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: So, Tori, Nicki Minaje has been doing this whole maga
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: maga tour. She she did the whole Erica Kirk moment.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: She now just had like a big Trump moment. He
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: gave her the gold card to settle her immigration status.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people's assumption is that her
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: husband and her brother are in some legal trouble and
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: perhaps this is like an attempt to get in his
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: good graces for a possible pardon or something of that nature.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: What is your here?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Does this maga turn from Nikki come out of nowhere
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: to you? Or does this seem like something that makes
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: sense given the way that she's positioned herself.
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: The turn does come out of nowhere, except that we
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: know that she's a long term Green card holder who
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: clearly wanted to change that status and saw and knew
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: that in this administration, you can kiss the ring and
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: get almost anything, while so we get this bizarre split
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: screen of poorer immigrants are running for their lives and
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: getting deported and beaten and shot in the streets, while
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: a rich immigrant gets a pathway to citizenship in an
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: administration where you can be at the courthouse going through
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: the proper steps and they arrest you and detain you.
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: But she has had a green card and now she
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: just gets a pathway. I don't believe that citizenship should
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: be sold as a luxury, goodly as a personal choice
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: of the leader that he happens to like you. You
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: have kissed the ring, you have shown sufficient deference to
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: his political perspective, so you get to be a citizen.
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: I think becoming an American citizen should be much more egalitarian,
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: should be much more of a broader opportunity for a
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: widespread of Americans, widespread of non Americans who don't necessarily
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: have to suggest that they love personally the president to
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: get a citizenship.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Well, I'd like to stop you right there, because there
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: are questions if this gold card is even real. As
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: reporting from the New York Times, this actually may not
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: have conferred any legal status for her administrations Trump administration
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: officials have said it's more of a token, like it
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: was more of like just kind of like a symbolic gift,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: a a souvenir, and does not actually confer any legal status. Now,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: the gold card costs one million dollars and additional fifteen
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: grand for a processing fee on top of that, and
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: so Nikki yes has had some sort of legal status,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: she's not like a full citizen, and she remains not
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: a full citizen after this token green card. Yeah, we
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: also have a video I want you to react to
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: here to her, to show just a little bit of
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: flavor of the of the meeting.
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: Here, nic, I'm like my favorite present, the best president
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: of our times.
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: I'm with the Queen of.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Rep Now is she still? Is she still the Queen?
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: Is that?
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: No? No, not at all.
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, part of the thing is that
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: a large portion of her fans are black and brown,
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: A large portion of them are LGBTQ, especially trans. She
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: has been a trans and gay icon for a while.
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: Isle so you know, we keep talking about how she
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: has betrayed a large swath of her fan base by
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: doing this, and we don't really, I don't believe that
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: she actually agrees with any of the policies of the
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: Trump administration. I don't think she knows any of the policies.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: We do know there are people who are like attracted
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: to the personality of Trump, and I guess you know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: you can get to your political side whatever way you want.
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: But I don't believe she actually knows or cares about
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: any political ideal at all.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: Well, this is what I want to ask about, because
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: she did during People probably remember this because I mean, honestly,
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: it was hilarious during COVID she had this infamous post
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: on next where she said or Twitter at the time,
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: my cousin in Trinidad won't get the vaccine because his
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: friend got it and became impotent in his testicles became swollen.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: His friend was weeks away from getting married, and now
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: the girl called off the weddings and just pray on
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: to make sure you're comfortable with your decision, not bullied.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: And there was this like oze injury tweets. Oh my god, there.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: There was this like sort of you saw flashes of
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: this from Nicki Minaj. She says that or she's it
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: seems like her claim, the charitable claim is that watching
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: the plight of Nigerian Christians and seeing Trump's reaction to
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: that has been part of what motivated here here. But
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: I also wanted to bring up the amber Rose of
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: it all because Terray, Yeah, so this is amber Rose
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: who was on a sneak o stream apparently and said
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: that she's the one who introduced Nicki Minaj to Alex Bruzowitz,
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: a Trump appointee or not appointee, a Trump advisor outside
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: of the administration. Technically, I think who then connected Nicki
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: Minaj to Donald Trump?
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: And it does seem like.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: There's this interesting thing happening, Terray, And maybe it's it
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: started happening after Butler.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: Where there's there is like this rap community interest in Trump.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: Maybe that's after Butler, Like is tell us how amber
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: Rose fits into all of this?
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know. This is more of a
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: as a personality.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I don't believe.
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: I don't believe either of them could talk about any
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: Trump policy, or any Trump philosophy, or any idea of Trump.
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: I don't believe that they interact with the political spectrum
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: in the way that we do. As far as ideas
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: I think they hover over it as far as personality
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: as far as he seems like a cool strong man,
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: so then he must be the guy for the job.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Tori also talk, So, I mean Trump was a fixture
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: in like hip hop songs before he was a political figure, right,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: And there is in mainstream hip hop there is this
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: like veneration of money and power and wealth and capitalism
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: that so there is you know, I don't know if
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: this necessarily flies with Nicki. So there there is a
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: thing there that does make a sort of sense because
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: his whole brand is being the unvarnished, brash capitalist, billionaire
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: boss man. And with Nicky specifically, I was watching the
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Bitfruity podcast with Matt Burnstey. I don't know if you
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: if you know him or watch him, but he's a
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: gay guy, and he did a breakdown with I can't
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: remember who his guest was about Nicki's pivot, and they
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: were also pointing to the fact that she has been
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: very jealous of the other women who have come up
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: in the rap game and has very been like at times,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: very hostile towards them.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: And so for them it.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Was yes and Megan the stallion, and you know, I
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: don't know if there are others as well, but it's like,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: rather than having this sort of like you know, feminist
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: view of I helped to be the trailblazer here and
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad to see these other women follow in
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: my footsteps. Instead it's like, fuck, y'all, bitch is like
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: this is my domain. So I wonder if you see
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: any connection there too with it, you know, that not
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: being that surprising that she would have this right wing turn,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you know, at a time when the movement is explicitly
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the right wing movement is explicitly sort of like anti feminist,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: certainly anti queer, et cetera.
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, she is, as you note, a sort of
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: pivotal figure in modern hip hop history in that she
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: is the one who sort of emerges and reminds the
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: labels and the industry that women can be commercially successful,
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: and the people come after her as far as as
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: far as Carti, who Emily mentioned, and Megan and Glilla.
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: We're actually having a huge moment for a lot of
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: black female rappers. There's also Lotto, there's also Sweedy, there's
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: a lot of sexy red. Somebody will say there's a
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: lot of black female rappers at this moment. It's a
• 49:45
  Speaker 8: huge moment for that demographic.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: And you don't have to be attached to a larger
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: male artist for their success.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: They are the thing on their own.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so it's an interesting moment for that. You know, Yes,
• 50:01
  Speaker 8: she has not been welcoming to the others. She has
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: been super competitive and trying to eat up all the space.
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: I think she's part of this sliver. It's been like
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: sixteen seventeen, eighteen percent of black people who are willing
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: to vote for Trump, but that's about the percentage that
• 50:18
  Speaker 8: had been willing to go Republican for a long time.
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: It's like three four percent more, but like it's not
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: a statistically massive difference. There was this sort of media
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: drumbeat about black men's especially going over to the right.
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: It happened in a very very small, statistically insignificant amount.
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: But there is a small group of black people who
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: are willing to go over there, and Nikki is one
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: of them. I mean, like, I just you know, I
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: grew up in a time when Republicans could articulate their
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: position and I disagreed with them, but they had an
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: idea when they talked about you know, limited government and taxation.
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: This group is just reactionary. They're just evil, They're just
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: hateful towards people who are not them. So the appeal
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: from a NICKI minaj I don't understand except a personal
• 51:12
  Speaker 8: transactional I will get you a citizenship or maybe an
• 51:17
  Speaker 8: honorary citizenship, citizenship, young money.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: He's talked about it. Is it citizenship or gardens like like,
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: do you know much about her husband or her brother,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: like to her family, like they're experiencing some level of
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: criminal charges or what have you? Could could the could
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: the pardon be the real thing here?
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: I mean it could you know? I mean that also
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: has been controlled under Trump as this sort of personal
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: thing that he gives to you if he likes you,
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: not if he believes in your case and believes from
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: a jurisprudential perspective that you deserve relief, but if he
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: likes you and he personally likes your story. So yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 8: I mean, perhaps we'll see that if she kisses the
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: ring sufficiently, then her husband, who has you know, horrific
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: charges from many years ago, if he will get you know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 8: magically pardoned or expunged. You know, it's a pay for
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: play sort of system. And she didn't even have to
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: pay to get into it. It seems that she got
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: this for free, like like what are we doing here?
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: Well, when you're talking about how it's a lot of
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: this vibe based, I was thinking of how in Hollywood
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: for a long time there was a sort of vibe base.
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know if conformity is the right word. Maybe
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: it is the right word, where it was like Okay, Obama,
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: we're back in Obama, or we're backing John Kerry and
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: like you keep going back. But it's interesting to me
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: that it's kind of flipped in a sense where you
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: have now people vibe based going to Trump, and I
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: don't think that ever will translate into another Republican.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's just a Trump phenomenon.
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: It's not going to go to jd Vance or Marco Rubio,
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: Like you're not gonna see the Nicki Minada.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe you disagree to it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: Right like going because to me, it just speaks to
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: Trump having this like countercultural whatever we think of, whether
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: it's legitimate or not, he has this like countercultural reputation
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: as like someone who undermines the system.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: He's going to train the swamp, et cetera.
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: And that's never going to trans like it's never going
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: to transfer to another Republican.
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I largely agree with that. I think of Trump
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: as an extremely unintelligent person, as in, there's a very
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: small ability to analyze and integrate new information. There's a
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: very small amount of information in his memory. Like there's
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: no subject who you say he is a national or
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: a global expert on this subject. But he is an
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: interpersonal genius as far as getting a certain kind of
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: person to like him. He can speak to their fears,
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: he can motivate them and inspire them to follow him.
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: It works on a certain swath of America, that's solid
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: thirty five percent of America that sticks with him no
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: matter what. But he is that, and I think you
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: see that on the campaign trail much more than in
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: the Oval office. But like, he does have a genius
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: for getting on the mic and getting a certain sort
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: of person, mostly male, mostly poor, but also rich, mostly white,
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: to really really like him and to think he's the guy.
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: So there is a genius. There is an interpersonal genius
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: that works for him. But I think in any other
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: area of intelligence he is completely bereft.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I also see, like Emily put up that
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: infamous COVID tweet where of course it's mostly like liberals
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: and people left of center that are like, what the
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: fuck is wrong with you?
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: What is this? Like, what are you talking about?
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: And then you know you have also and you could
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: speak to this much more so than I could. This
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: is someone who's not at the top of her career, right,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: And so there's you know that as well, where it's
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: sort of like grasping for relevance. Then you have filtered
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: into that this very variety basket of self interested reasons
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: why you want to take this track. And so to me,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: you know, I've seen a lot like Joe Rogan comes
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: to mind also as someone who felt like really demonized
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: over things he said around COVID. And then it's like,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just a right winger now, right, And you know,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I've seen other people who basically made that similar turn
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: of you know, I feel attacked by the left, therefore
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to flip all of my politics to the right.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know that we ever really knew that much
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: about Nikki's politics to start with that, Like, to your point,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think she had like a lot of ideological
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: grounding to really upend to begin with.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: But it seems to me when you put all.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Of those pieces together, I feel attacked by the left.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I am, you know, sort of grasping for relevance. I
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: have these basket of legal and immigration problems I want
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: dealt with. I you know, like being the center of
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: attention on the stage, et cetera. That it kind of
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: like you can see how she ends up traveling this trajectory.
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: One thing about hip hop in general is you are
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: supposed to get on the mic and tell us about
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: who you are, and tell us about where you're from,
• 56:16
  Speaker 8: and so we should walk away feeling like we know
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: you and what your world is all about. In rock
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: and roll, in R and B, you may or may
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: not ever know what the person is really about, and
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: a lot of the songs are fictional. When somebody says
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: I love you in R and B or rock and roll,
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: like they're talking to a fictional you. In hip hop weeks,
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: if somebody says I love you, they are talking to
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: a specific person. Or I hate you, they're talking to
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: a specific person. Nicki in particular has always bothered me
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: because she never talks about herself. I listened to Nicki's music,
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: I don't know anything about her. She's always playing a
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: character and she does the Barbie sort of character.
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: She doesn't, she says, she has like a variety of
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: She's all your egos, right, Yes, she has different characters
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: that she plays over time, and like Beyonce has different erarors,
• 57:07
  Speaker 9: but I feel like they are rooted in who she
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: is Nicki.
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: I feel like she's an actor and she's a theater
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: kid who she's doing different roles. So I'm like, this
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: is the new chapter of Nicki, which is Maga Barbie
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: as opposed to previously she was Howard Juku Barbie. It's
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: none of it is real. It's not a genuine desire
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: to relate to Trump or trump Ism. It's just this
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: is the new character that is valuable. It gets her attention,
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: it gets her potentially possibly citizenship, possibly a pardon for
• 57:41
  Speaker 8: you know, her husband, and so there's there's value in it.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:45
  Speaker 8: She's not really making records at this point that are charting,
• 57:48
  Speaker 8: that are hitting the culture, but here's a way to
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: get everybody to look at you, which is similar to
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: what Kanye did. And I think I'm sure Kanye is like, well,
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: at least I did it. At the beginning of Trump
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: and not near the you know, near the end or
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: in the middle. I mean, like, I don't know how
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: you can look at you know, Renee and and Alex
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: and say, yeah, I still want to be on that team,
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: like I joined that team now, Like their stock is
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: incredibly low, the approval rating is incredibly low. Surely they
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: are moving toward the end. So you're joining the party now,
• 58:23
  Speaker 8: Like I don't understand that.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And now to the to the to the Barbs point.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Will what is there going to be a Barb's backlash? Now?
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not so sure because as you you know, you
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: mentioned yourself on this episode. She has a lot of
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: gay fans, and I know a lot of you know,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: gay guys that stand a toxic woman. They say, you
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: know what, you're being toxic, Go off girl, you know,
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: like some people like that. Now, So will she have
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: a backlash in the Barbs or will the Barbs stand
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: valiantly with her?
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: I think she has all rad He's seen a significant
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: Barb backlash.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: If I recall she quit Instagram.
• 59:07
  Speaker 8: Over this not long ago, that the that people started
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: attacking her online over this Maga turn and she quit
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: Instagram because she couldn't handle the comment flow and she
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: didn't want that to become part of the story. So
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: I do think that the barbs are definitely already responding
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: in an aggressive way. And I think that the toxicity
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: point you mentioned, there's a fun way for someone to
• 59:36
  Speaker 8: be toxic, and there's a truly virulent way for someone
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: to be toxic. And somebody's who's sort of domineering and
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: humiliating is a good toxic And like a woman who's
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: like Maga is like, no, that's not fun toxic, that's just.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: Bad toxic.
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: Flavors of toxic.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Lastly, Toroy wanted to get your reaction to the big
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: news that this morning that Don Lemon's been arrested in
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: LA over his coverage of this church protest.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: You know, don don't you?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I do? I do.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: I texted with him about this issue and supported him
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: on This is what sixty minutes used to do. That
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: recoverage out of that church situation. That's what sixty minutes
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: used to do. That's real journalism. The notion that he
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: was leading a mob into a church is completely backwards.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: He was covering a situation that was happening on the ground.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: This is a politically motivated arrest meant to silence people
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: like us, and the conversation keeps going to whether or
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: not they could or should have protested in the church.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: Don was not protesting in the church. He was media
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: in the church, and generally we protect that. This is
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 8: this whole story. The whole arrest is protecting against the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: notion of we have a pastor, a Christian pastor, who
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: is in Ice. So all of this is protecting that man.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: And if we.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 8: Cannot talk about the hypocrisy of a Christian pastor of
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 8: being an Ice on Sunday talking about love thy neighbor,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: help the stranger, would Jesus have joined Ice? Of course,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: not like Jesus was flipping the tables. He put God
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: over the state, and being in Ice reverses every Christian principle.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 8: So what those protesters were doing was righteous in calling
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 8: attention to his hypocrisy as a Christian and the right
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: and the administration has tried to turn this around about
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: you can't protest inside a church. That is not the
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 8: crux of this issue at all.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would also know they haven't treated churches as
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: sort of like sanctified spaces because they've done immigration raids,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: and you know, suplicitly overturned previous policy to do immigration
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: raids during church services as well.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: We are not investigating the man who show renee the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 8: man who shot Alex, but we are investigating Don Lemon,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 8: a journalist with a microphone who interviewed people on the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: scene of an ongoing story like yeah, well, and.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Anyone can watch the live stream you know, it's I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: believe still posted on his channel. If you are concerned
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: that he was taking part in the pro that he
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: was leading them into the building that he was serving,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: you know, just as an activist and not as a journalist,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: like you can go watch it for yourself and make
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: your own determinations because it's it's actually was quite helpful
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: having him there and interviewing the people that were there
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: and getting, you know, all of their perspectives, including the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: pastor who was there, not the ice pastor, a different
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: pastor who was there leading services and obviously was very
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: upset by the protest.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Toy.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Tell people where they can find you and support all
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: of your great work all.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: Over the place.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: I'm on TikTok at Tore show, I'm on YouTube.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: You've been you noticed any censorship over at TikTok last
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: week you had problems.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: I haven't.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: There was a couple of days when they told us
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: not to post because the app was not working. I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 8: do see an influx in these text only posts that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: are like pro ice and sort of mocking liberals and
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: that sort of thing. I haven't seen that, although you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: know somebody I really like, I believe Hawk Eye was
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 8: his name, who is a great liberal creator and quite
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: often spend his time platforming other people. If he liked
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: a post of mine or a video of somebody else's
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: always liberals, he would like, you know, throw them up
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: so give them more visibility. They banned him permanently, and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: you know, this is just you know, a guy just
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 8: you know, fighting the good fight and just spreading good
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: common sense messages. And it's frightening to see him get
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: banned permanently. So that's that's been the biggest change that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: I've noticed in the recent days.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: Gotcha, But and in case I interrupted your pitch, TikTok where.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: Else, no TikTok and TikTok YouTube TikTok for now and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: on substack as well.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: All right, Toreri, thank you so much. Great to see you,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: my friend, Nice to see.
• 1:04:11
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