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#3 ColorCloud Special 🌈 · Unresolved Dependencies

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: I thought we I thought we agreed.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: So we I do something stupid at the start of every single recording.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: And you you you tell the audience what it is I'm doing, and then it acts as a nice little teaser for those to go and watch it on YouTube.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that what we agreed?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean that's what you have may agreed on, but I have not agreed to that.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just being forced into this project.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the third episode, and welcome to the first episode of Unresolved Dependencies with Joe snapping weirdly his fingers that his background reveals itself and doing funny moves to entertain you.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope also the next half an hour will entertain you to the fullest.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: And Joe.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Fantastic intro.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting better.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the third one.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I um it's as if it's as if this is now like a professional operation almost.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we slowly it feels it feels like it feels like because we already have rescheduled this one.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: So Jerry, how are you today?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: How are you going?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: I always hate the short weeks when it's like a public holiday because everything just feels like so uh uh uh uh loud, loud, loud, busy, busy busy.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: But but do you do you feel that like with a short week, before like a public holiday, do you do less or more work in this week?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I do less, but it actually probably is more.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: I also had this um some some years ago, I had this finding that I just figured out I I may just work like the same things or have the same pace on just working on that, and I have one day less to do everything, but still I'm doing the same workload, so it's pretty weird.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I I yeah, for me as well, those those short weeks they are stressful and um they're always like they feel like squeezed, you're always jumping from like one thing to another, and this is something which is weird, feels weird.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, and of course, this is also the week as well where all the smarter colleagues have booked off as well, uh, and they're off doing lovely things for their families and all that sort of stuff.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's really just you know, let's just see how the core sort of stick the knife um and make you feel this, you know.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just the core of people who are then just here and running the company.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, especially why we are here, so but anyways, we are here sitting and recording a podcast.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: We're just actually releasing folks.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, before we release the first episode, we just decided we are doing um um color cloud special today, um, which we'll come back to in a moment.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, because like next week for us, it's already color cloud 2026 in Hamburg.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: And uh for me it's nice because it's within Germany, it's weird because I will speak German to other people because it's in Germany, and it's also special for you, Joe.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's it's it's it yeah, it's not like you go to the shop or speak to your girlfriend or anything like that in German.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's all it's all in English, yeah.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: English, English.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's Bavarian, it's Bavarian, so it's okay, right.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I didn't realize there was a difference there.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I just always so if you ask, for example, someone from Hamburg, they'll they will tell you there is a difference.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I know some of the local things.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I I know I know they have to say moin.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Moin in Hamburg, moins the moin moin, you know, all that sort of stuff.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: Anything else that I need to be aware of that so I can fit in like a local um fishbrüchen.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: So it's basically um fishbread.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: Fishbread, yeah.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: Easy, easy, yeah.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: Deutsche Seinfuck, yeah.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's interesting how how how good your journal language is, like right before that.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so before we are traveling to Hamburg, I think um we have our little um common feature that like Rio is traveling to, and he isn't always providing you some uh tips, and even though we are recording like three episodes before like one episode is out, and we can tell any vendor we have enough material to just fill in this category, it's amazing.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, Yeah, yeah, I have some, and I really had to think about mine, but this isn't a second.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: So, Joe, please help us.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: Where where will you travel into?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: What is the next destination?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: Clearly, I'm operating on a different plane of you know existence and life experience, it seems.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're operating on on all just you're just operating on a plane at this point.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: I might as well just change my address to Boeing 247, you know, KLM, whatever, all that sort of stuff.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: Just a flight number if you want to.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Flight number, yeah.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can find me here.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, this one.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna cheat a little bit on here.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: So we've been doing them in sequential order of where I'm gonna be sort of next.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be the third place I'm at based on the other two that I've told you so far.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: So usual drill is uh give you a nice little key little clue.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: You email in with your answer suggestion, uh hello at unresolved dependencies.com, and then we'll give you a nice little shout out and maybe even give you a little gift as well once Sebastian uh lets me go and spend uh 600 euros on badges and pins and has a budget already.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: Has a budget, yeah.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: We're being very German about this.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: Very good.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: So here's our clue then.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I will next be in a city that is um world famous as being the capital of beers, uh, and also as well has a pretty nice and beautiful English garden.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Where am I going to be next?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh send your answers through to hello at unresolved dependencies.com uh and yeah, see if you can guess correctly and see where where what the correct answer is in the next episode.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: I really want to guess again, but I think with everything that I would guess, I'm so wrong.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: I know that for example like Bristol and Belgium, they have also nice beers.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: So they they do, and they do like the English.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh whether they like them enough to get the to have gardens named after them is is uh is debatable.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, certainly the um the beer won't taste English at least.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it's the question if this is like an honor to have like a garden renamed after you, or is it just like in like in order to keep you away from it?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what was it?
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody said that if famously once that apparently England is just a country full of uh gardeners and shopkeepers.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we are, apparently.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Shoplifters, maybe, yeah.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: Shoplifters, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, yes, exactly at the moment.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: So be careful where you go in the UK.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, that's where I am next.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: But nobody cares about where I'm going, nobody cares about my humble bags about traveling.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: What we really care about, Sebastian, is what have you been eating.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: So tell us what has been tantalizing your taste buds this week.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um actually, I have to kind of figure something out because like um I'm not just like uh living Boeing by myself and just like flying around on the on the walls of um, yeah.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: For me, what I have, and it was literally yesterday.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I um first of all, it was pretty plain with like rice and chicken and some vegetables.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Kids, if you listen to this, eat your vegetables.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Eat greens, eat greens, yeah.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Good, good.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, advice.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, listen to those middle-aged guys here.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um eat your greens, very important for your health.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the the nice thing about was was the chicken because um we had two chicken breasts, one for me, one for my girlfriend, and they even made her picture this time.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: So we will upload this, I think, uh, on the Instagram.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the nice thing about the um chicken was um it was cutted um on the top of it and stuffed with um goat cheese and pesto, and then was baked in the air fryer for like uh 20-25 minutes, and uh it was super nice and delicious, so it was still very, very soft and um juicy, I want to say, but also I had a lot of um taste with the pesto and the cheese.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that was my highlight food of this week, actually.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um it was a whole chicken then for you, or just a no, no, no, it was just a chicken breast.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it was two chicken breasts, one for each.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe my girlfriend didn't finish her, so I ate like the rest.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: How how our healthy relationship should work.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: So exactly, yeah, you're helping each other out constantly.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: I eat twice, yeah.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's like how it works, yeah.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: And as well, this is this is the second time your air fryer has made an appearance as well on the show.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you are really being that sort of middle-aged sort of guy there by you know having an air fryer and things.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: The the point we just got it when we moved here just some some weeks ago here, basically.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it was like one of like the first buyings we bought for for the joint kitchen where we were like, we need to have an air fryer.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: It was basically the the um the idea of my girlfriend, and it was like, Yeah, really need an air fryer, we can just throw it into the um pan or the oven or something like that.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: And and then basically I said, No, no, we get this one from we don't say the brand, but we get this one as like a double stacking thingy, and um okay, let's let's see, there's a deal on on the website and let's let's buy it.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: And since then, I really use it, haven't we?
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: I also uh invented some uh invented the science really just throwing some toast and cheese on it, and this was basically it.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I invented uh for sure.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so would so would you say it's been life-changing for you, as life-changing as the sushi that was uh sold to me in Vancouver, or yeah, as disappointing as that.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's not disappointing to have the air fryer, it's really nice to have it because um as well making fries or sorry, which is super easy and it's um good results.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm happy with it.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um I like to try out new things in terms of the food in this case.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, pretty happy with it.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's an good submission for you this week.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, as I say, a bit of health, bit of vegetables on there.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh chicken always well plays really nice, and you sort of mix it up quite sort of nice.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um bit disappointed it wasn't a whole chicken, just gonna put it out there.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um but uh it was like my sixth meal of the day, but okay, right.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we didn't mention that.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: I just I just thought it was your first meal of the day.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, but yeah, no, it was not.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, actually, the lunch was also great because I I went to Aldi in the morning and uh got some fresh fresh bread and I picked up some fucaccia, which was pretty nice, and uh I had this one for for lunch and as well today as well for lunch because I didn't I didn't do a break during working hours today, and my girlfriend brought her um leftovers of this fucaccia.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it was also my lunch today.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: So many many highlights in the past uh 84 48 hours of uh eating.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: So and I'm curious what is on for tonight because I didn't make any plans.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, therefore, yeah, let's see what's happening.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: I keep you posted.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll hear about it next time for sure.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Next time on Sebastian's eats.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: What we'll we'll not see we're getting better, we're getting better with this.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: You can be sure.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: What we don't what we don't want to spare for the next time is uh color cloud.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's yes, color cloud.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone who doesn't know about it, stop here, pick up your phone, go to colorcode.rocks.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Colorcloud.rocks, yeah, that's the website, and look it up.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um buy tickets if you don't have yet your tickets.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: And um there is maybe as well some discount code down in the podcast description.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: So um if you are really looking forward to see us there or to see your favorite community experts, this is your chance.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: And what makes Color Cloud so special for you, Joel?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I think it's always good for me to see these events happening, you know, local events uh with a good focus as well on local sort of content.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, and also as well local speakers and local language as well.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because you go to these big events, usually it's just you know, English, English, English everywhere, um, you know, all this sort of good stuff.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it also feels like sometimes, you know, in certain other countries, and maybe they don't have as many big sort of local events and stuff like that.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, it's always really good to sort of see that.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: The organizers have a big focus on great content, they have a great focus on the attendee experience as well, you know, you know, uh work hard, play hard is the is the mentality, which is always pretty good.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's a pretty nice location as well.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually hoping this time to properly get to see it because in the past two years I've always had to escape early for various reasons.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: So this time I'm gonna have a nice weekend there, see the sites.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, not swim in the river.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: I've been told by the organizers that uh the politics sign may get involved, and I'm not sure I want that for don't jump in a river in Hamburg.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, yeah, sorry, tip number one, eat your greens.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Tip number two, don't jump into the water in in Hamburg.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly, exactly.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: So life-changing tips, live advisors but I think we touched upon this in the previous uh episode, but yeah, you're gonna have to if you it's weird for you to actually speak German at these things, which sounds very um odd.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because like everything, everything like really work-related, and I just had a demo like a few hours ago in German for a customer in Germany, and like three seconds before like I was jumping onto the uh Teams call and everything was prepared, everything was set up.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Oh, all my demo data, all my prompts I have prepared, my agents, my fleet of agents basically, all three of them.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they're all in English, but the customer is from Germany.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I in the first two minutes I was just like apologizing hell heavily that, like, yeah, everything's in English.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so sorry.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, this is um this is how it goes, and this is the same with these events.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I um this time, I think the first time I uh I went there, not last year, but I think the year before, I also had a recession in Germany and it was it took me so long to prepare, um, because I really literally had to look after like all of the German translations, and it was even about prejudication.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I I never really used it in a German language, and I think at that point, even like my demo was in English, just like with English demo data, but I was just showing it in an English system and was just speaking, explaining it in German, which was also kind of a uh screw up in my head, um, that like everything I see is English, and then you just fill in German words within these like English sentence pieces, um, which is very, very funny and um makes you really think about everything and question your life.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I I did not choose to speak any German at my ColorCloud um sessions this year.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: What about you, Joel?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Did you may opt in for some German?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean you are pretty on the Duolingo streak, right?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: You're training very hard.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: I have 900 days, uh level 40 Duolingo.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: The bird claims I can apparently order food in restaurants.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: The bird is a liar.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh as always, he is he's a he's a he's terrible for this sort of stuff.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, I think we mentioned this last time, but yeah, I'm just gonna be doing a 25-minute lightning session uh in German, uh all about Copilot Studio.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so uh my my aim is to really foster uh Anglo-German relations as much as possible, but I think the opposite will be achieved.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think Sebastian's already had sight of already had sight of my of my script.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: I all I had to do was scroll down to the comments, and I just saw the words in capitals Jesus.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um so let's see how that goes.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um so that should be I would I would leave this as a teaser for everyone who still wants to attend your session.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I I support everyone who who wants to go after for you after the session.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: So who wants to strangle me and eject me from the country?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Persona non gratis in Germany.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: You have guys, you have my support 100%.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so let's see how that all goes there.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, but no, it should be fun.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh good kick up the backside to learn a bit of German.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Sprix sprix sprix Deutsch for meiner liebe Kollege.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um see, yeah.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sounds really good.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds like you heard this before, yeah.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've listened to it enough and all of that sort of stuff.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so that's on the Thursday, I want to say, 25 minutes.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: So let's see how that sort of goes.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then, yeah, we've got the uh beautiful apps workshop on Wednesday with uh with Cap A Bruvo from Norway, so that's gonna be really good to do.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh all day workshop uh looking at how we can make beautiful apps uh work with containers and all this sort of stuff.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: It was quite interesting.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: We had a comment, I think, on uh LinkedIn from um MVP Andrew Welch, who kind of rightly pointed out that even with all this AI stuff happening at the moment, that yeah, sometimes you know sessions going back to the fundamental concepts are still going to be really important because and I think you've had an experience of this of this this week, Seb, is yeah, you can vibe the the shit out of anything and create an app and all this sort of stuff, but do you actually know how it works underneath the hood?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Do you actually know if it's built you something that is good and fit for purpose?
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, so without that knowledge of okay, containers, why you would use them, okay, what's the role of them?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: They give you mobile responsiveness, they make things nicer, render correctly, all this sort of good stuff, you know, how are you gonna know to spot those smells before you know when you're just vibing all day long, you know?
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, AI is not replacing your juniors basically.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: So this is this is definitely one of the learnings we already had so far.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: So you not that we experience it, but like um we see it that this is definitely the case that you need to know about what are your fundamentals, what is your um your fork and your knife, basically.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and then you can still enhance and and and choose this with with AI to just get better results or to get there faster.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that really helps with that.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Question for the workshop is it also in German then when you're so committed to be a German speaker soon?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, that would be quite a good surprise to drop on Catherine though, potentially.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh yeah, by the way, we're doing this in German, but no, that is gonna be in English.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I have more trust in her to pull this off than you.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think my understanding is that yeah, Norwegian is quite similar in some of the words are quite similar and things like that for German, so you can maybe make a bit of a bit of a bit of a good guess, shall we say?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: So we will figure this out when we are on site if Norwegian is really that close to to German.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: I have some doubts here, but okay.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: We'll find out.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: But what how do you approach preparing for like a conference like this for your sessions, Sebastian?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um depends on the session, to be honest.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: So um I have two sessions very far on the first day.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one is is joined by our lovely friend Andrew Bibi.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um who um I have the honor to share the stage with him.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: So that's very nice.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: And we we basically in those case we already did a similar session like last year.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but we of course like updated it to like the the current ground.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: And um we talked two weeks ago and we met very briefly about like what we want to keep, what we want to throw it, what worked in the first place, what doesn't work.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so if you, for example, have a session you already have done, which is I would say a good common place uh for like a lot of speakers, that um they at least have similar sessions across the year or like similar topics in your sessions across the year, and they always can fine-tune based on like uh what was a good example, for example.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: But uh that happens to us.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's good, that's good, that's good.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that happens to us.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: But you can you can kind of figure out the use cases if they were good, if they if you may need to precise your topic more closely, and I think we we made a good job on that to throw out stuff that was like maybe double or that was nonsense, or as well, just very simple, which is outdated.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we are moving so forth with all this agent stuff.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, in between it was renamed to Copile Studio Lite, which is no longer the case.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's Agent Builder again.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so prepared for that.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: And my second session was actually on uh project operations, which is our or my um lovely niche topic, um, our LESO, basically, I want to call it.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: And um, here it's basically um a very different approach because I'm all by my own and I cannot really always tell how big and how knowledgeable the crowd will be, because with pressure orations being still some kind of a topic which um needs a lot of explanation, I could just stand there for like this 45 minutes and explain it.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I I have really more work.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Here to do um where I need to sit down and think about a story I want to tell.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: So this is where usually start with when I concept a new session.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I do have a story.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: I do have a story and I do have a goal.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the story is there before there's a goal, sometimes there's a goal before there's a story.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Depends.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um mostly I can be very open.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: So 80% of that like are um thoughts when I done when I'm done with the gym or when I'm in the gym.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is where I like most of my creativity sparks, and the other spande is like shower thoughts, like literally.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um like when I when I text you like these like big blocks in WhatsApp, which like is an idea, or like we should do this or that.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's like 99%.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: I was in the gym like minutes before, or I'm still at the gym.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Or the showers.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: So now I've got those images in my mind.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Every time I see four messages from you, it's like right, okay.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Where is Vivian?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's it's it's not like that.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's not like that.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't shower with my phone, to be honest.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: But my phone is that would be a bad idea.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Your phone tends to get a little bit wet, yeah.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: So that's probably probably good.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Don't show furtherwise, don't shower off your whole phone.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: But like how I approach it.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Eat your vegetables, um, don't shower with your phone.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: What was the third one for the kids?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was yours.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: What was the yeah?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: I already forgot.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Something about the don't get don't swimming hamburg with us.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, don't don't jump into the river, don't jump into the air.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, um, back to the session.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: So um I think sorry for this preparation session, for example, I need to drill down the knowledge.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I I have the story, I have a goal, and then I need to look at the target audience, and then I need to figure out okay, what is what could be interesting for them.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where it's difficult because I do see in the app like a number, like how many people like the session, but this is like not a like a breaking indicator of like how many people will be there, and it's also not about like the level who will attend.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I now decided to change the level of the own session.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: So every session when you submit a session, you need to decide on like which level this is on.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: So there's level 100, which is mostly like for beginners.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're new to this topic, it really then explains like how this works, a little bit of marketing, a bit of salesy stuff, a lot of slides usually and explains like just the high level of like what is the concept, what are the benefits of that feature, of the product, of whatever it is about.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Then there's level 200 where it's intermediate, and this is where I where I struggle the most actually is to figure out if it's 200, 300, or 100.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's also 300 where it's like advanced, and then there's usually already some details with some breaking down of technical um features on like how it is basically works.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: For example, I think the the workshop you're doing is like starting on like level 100 and then it goes down to a level 300, perhaps.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: While you only have 45 minutes, you cannot really uh build something up during during those 45 minutes.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this is the interesting thing with our workshop, and we actually saw a discussion um yesterday with the with Catherine about it, is that okay, you know, we're gonna have to look at the you know, we can we can basically do the workshop in a few different sort of ways.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: If you you've never touched the platform before, there's one route we can go down.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh if you um are more of an expert, then we can jump into maybe the more technical, more interesting stuff.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: So one of the things we've we we do there is just try and send out a bit of a survey beforehand uh to the users, also get a bit of a temperature check in the room before we start, and then you know we can then kind of go off into more interesting directions.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: The key thing is have a plan, but you know, be prepared to deviate and go off into different directions.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to be just sat there telling people, teaching people how to suck eggs, as we say here in K.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I have another tip.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: So because I do the same way.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: So if you come to my session, I will ask like the audience like how far they are in their perturbations journey, or if they may even have started yet.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: And if I see like we have a lot of like people who are um have not started with their journey yet, we will I will explain things much more in detail and um I will spend more time on the basics.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: While if we do have maybe a crowd which are already using perturberations, I will just much just focus on the new stuff, on like which is nice and um brings in new capabilities, like we talked about last week about the um what-if scenario is on the quote level.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe just show this, explain that in detail, how it works, how it can beneficial your progress.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: So um the tip is I have for you um that the audience does not know before when you leave something out.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: So just because your plan sticks with that and your plan says you need to talk five minutes about um project budgeting or um sales to uh lead to invoice processing or something like that, or in your case, how to create a nice button.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we you should include this.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um the the audience will not figure out if you want to talk about this or not.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: And if they want to know more about it, they can still come to you after the session because you're anyways, as a speaker, running around this event and um being in contact with like everyone all the time.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: So um that's maybe as well advice for a lot of people going to an event.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: If this is your first one, just go up to the people, um, just talk to them.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is and I I think I speak for a lot of people in the community.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: This is why we are doing that to get there and talk to everyone and get like your prices and understand your issues, and perhaps can help you.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not guaranteed all about the networking, absolutely solve your issues.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you will.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um same for me, of course.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: It was just just putting Joe in the in the pan, but um the talking to people, talking to real people, listening to your journey, understanding what they're struggling with, maybe helping with that because we we have may have seen this before, we may have encountered this before.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is why we're doing that.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: So come to us, talk to us.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we are we are just normal human human beings.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there is nothing special about us.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: We are just we are just stupid enough to expose us on the stage.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't don't un don't underestimate the importance that you know a conversation can have in terms of giving you a new idea, a new perspective, or just to network and connect and things like that.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I've got you exactly, yeah.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I've got a really important question now, Sebastian.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, what if you're listening to this podcast, you're completely sick of the pair of us, you don't want to come to our sessions.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: What other sessions are there in ColourCloud that could be interesting for people to attend?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have maybe a couple that you would like to recommend?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: I do have, I do have, because not only I will speak at the event, I will also attend sessions because I'm never stop learning.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: And one basically there are two sessions which I want to recommend in like one saying, uh, because they're both from our dear good friend uh Daniel Laskovitz.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: And one of them is MCP or not to MCP.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's the question.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Happening on the uh 16th, which is the first day, right?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um is MCP SEP for those who maybe asked.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's a model context protocol server, and as the name says, it provides you more uh context for the agent.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the agent can connect to an MCP server, and the MCP server comes in with shipped tools and maybe as well resources, which is quite new.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: And these tools are basically executing, for example, creation of a new Word document or creation of new email, and they do have more context than your just default connector.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: So the results you will get back are um potentially better, and you can also create custom MCPs and connect, for example, to any open API that's documented.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's super nice and uh great to have, and it brings a lot of value to agents because as the name says it adds like so much more context.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: And Daniel will talk about that, and he's very proficient in the spice, and in the same breath, I wonder as well talk about his session on the Friday at 1 p.m.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: where he talks about co-pilot cowork.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because what Claude Cowork and now co-polit covert differences is Claude Coverk works um on your local machine, while, for example, Cloud Copilot.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh Jesus Christ.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: So Claude Covork is a lot, it's very complicated to pronounce as a German.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh clo pilot uh Claude Coverg, it's really that's so awful.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Cloud covork.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Cloud covork is running on your machine, right?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's locally, while co-pilot covork actually runs in the cloud.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: So you can just throw the task, leave it, and come back and it's done.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you can basically process across all the M65 data and all of your stuff you have connected with your dynamics, for example, and just do tasks.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a very productive tool.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I heard good things.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I have not tried it because we are not exposed to any anthropic models.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a bit the downer as well, I think, for the German audience that it currently just runs with the anthropic models.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh yeah, that's maybe just something that's um a timely holdback.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then I want to highlight uh one more session, which I just lost where it is, but there is one more session with Marty.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um I hope I pronounced this right.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm wrong, please punch me in the face, Marty, if you hear this.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's from grayscale to full color, the 45-minute networking there for techies.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I met Marty, I think, um months ago for the first time, and he's a really nice guy, and he's uh has a very nice um perspective on on different things, on like how as well to connect with people and how I um talk to people and how networking could work.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I think you will get a very different and very nice new perspective on things um during his session.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: So definitely a damn good photographer as well.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: So oh, I didn't know that.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's why you have such good photos.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what kind of thing?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: You may also have some some recommendations for our fellow listeners.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: I do, yes.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: So a couple of sessions to check out.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: So at the moment I'm doing this week quite a bit of contact center training.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh, even though my um experience in terms of actual implementations, uh, we won't comment on that one.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so this is why I'm gonna be going to uh probably Christine Risberg's uh session on this, where going deep into the world of contact center.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Contact center is quite a nice application, uh Dynamics 365 contact center application.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, some nice ways you can kind of deploy it out either with the customer service module or with your own custom CRM and stuff like that.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, so really really interested to sort of see some stuff there uh about you know how we can use it in practice and all that sort of good stuff.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think as well, I want to go and see, because I missed it in Tallinn and I heard some really good feedback.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Dan Barber's session, seven or so habits of highly effective consultants, because yeah, at the end of the day, that's what we are.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: We are consultants.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: People come to us, we give them an opinion.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we each give them give people different opinions, nobody can agree.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and yeah, usual sort of thing.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: So if we can become better consultants, give more consistent opinions, you know, be more as consistent as these large language models, then you know it's gonna be better for everyone, you know, in theory.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um I thought you'd just update your link in the description to why podcaster now, but now your consultant again.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: I I I've got many hats.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: I I I just want to have as many titles as possible, Theo.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: I this is this is all I've got to use.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Master of none, basically.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: I uh as we said before, I'm just I'm just useless, you know.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: So let's just let's just let's just go with that.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: So the more I can aggrandize myself the better.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: So that'll be gonna be a really good session.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then I also want to check out um Elvira and Emma's session on Microsoft Foundry because that is quite an interesting area.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think for both of us at the moment, really.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um in terms of learning more about all of that.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think Foundry is a well um a bit of a larger like blind spot for us at the moment.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: So he's definitely something we can may as well like force us within this podcast to keep track of our journey.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see, maybe um that's a good idea to to put on more pressure.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um exactly, exactly.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll put the details over when we put the details ever when we spoke about in the in the description down there.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, if you do are listening to this uh before the event and uh you want to check out the sessions, then do do check them out.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: It should be quite fun.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and definitely stop by.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um not at our sessions, you go to somewhere else.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um be we you already listened to us, so just go to somewhere else, uh make them happy, show up, and um yeah, have a good time at the event and talk to as many people as you can get.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, I hope you have a great time there.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I think with that, our little special for Color Cloud um is already in the books.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um a little bit behind the scenes, a little bit uh tasty chicken, a lot of advisors apparently.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: So we may need to to update our podcast description here already after for three episodes.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, like we are life changing, we make changes, we we can basically make your life better.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: We uh sorry, do we have do do do we have a do we have a description for this?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I didn't think we had that for this.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, of course I have a course.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: I thought we I thought we were just I thought we were just geo-loading this, you know.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: But you don't trust me.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: This is what I work I have to work with.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: You you you you bring the planning, I bring the good energy and the vibes, you know.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is this this is how we this is how we make magic happen, you know, on this.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Which vibes is like weird finger clipping in the beginning or like punching yourself on the on the chest to look like a crap, basically.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, look like crap.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's like I've told you I I've told you this is how we get views on the YouTube video.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is how because people will be thinking, okay, why's it gone all silent?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, why is Sebastian getting all weirded out?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: What's that weird noise in the background?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: They'll want to go and watch the video.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm thinking very strategically here about how to do this.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think you just want to see my disappointment in my face when when you do stupid stuff, but okay.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's just your normal German expression.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 37:12
  unknown: Okay.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, episode three in the bag.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're getting better.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so hopefully.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: You think it's getting better?
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'd like to I'd like to think so.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, we'll have a chat later on about some maybe some areas where you know you can improve, you know, as a person, you know, just uh just pointing out there.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think it's going good.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's going good.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Please change.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Change.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: Change who you are fundamentally as a person if you want this podcast to continue.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and on that bombshell, I guess we can leave it there for today.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, then uh yeah, thank you for listening.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for sticking by.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh like, follow, subscribe, comment, whatever, in the show notes, in the uh comments wherever there is.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um that sort of stuff.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like button like a burger.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: And um yeah, hope to see you at Calak Light.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, shoot out as well.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: We may have got shootout to the whole team around Matt, Spjorn, Pauline, and all the other people like making those things possible, like Benedict and everyone who's working on that, so all the volunteers as well, of course, because they also do this in their spare time, they're just not getting um anything out of that unless it's fun.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: F our F-U-N.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: F-U-N, yeah, it's it's yeah, it's the same in German as English here.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: But in German it's F-U-N, but okay, never mind.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, see you soon.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Take care, have a great one.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Bye bye.