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Bee Inspired · Not Another Football Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Not Another Football Podcast with.
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Speaker 2: Myself, Simon Donnelly and Turkey McNamara. And we're delighted to
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Speaker 2: have a couple of guests on. It's only the second
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Speaker 2: time we've had a duo since we started. And it's
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Speaker 2: Mark Hawkins and Stephen Robb.
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Speaker 1: Footballers stroke. into the life of fashion. We'll touch on
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Speaker 1: that in a wee bit. How are yous getting on?
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Speaker 1: You guys all right?
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Speaker 3: Very good, very good, mate, very good.
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Speaker 1: Every time I'm looking at your social media, they know
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Speaker 1: yous are playing golf.
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Speaker 3: Aye, we're keeping ourselves busy, aren't we?
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Speaker 4: We've started something new, so we've started a new brand,
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Speaker 4: and we wanted to do something that we loved, around
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Speaker 4: what we loved, so how can we get an excuse
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Speaker 4: to play golf every day?
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Speaker 3: We can play golf two or three days a week,
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Speaker 3: it'd be nice.
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Speaker 1: He looks as if he knows what he's doing right enough,
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Speaker 1: which he's got handicapped.
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Speaker 5: Ten.
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Speaker 3: He needs to start putting some cards in, mind you.
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Speaker 3: Where do you play?
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Speaker 1: Are you members?
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Speaker 3: I'm a member at HAGS, HAGS Castle. I'm an Aylor
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Speaker 3: on the East Coast. What do you do? 4.5.
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Speaker 1: See when you put a point in, he hammers me.
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Speaker 3: He's 10.9, he just didn't know what to tell us. Anybody,
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Speaker 3: I'm just 4.14 for 30 years. Is that a band
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Speaker 3: as well then? No, it can be.
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Speaker 5: 4.2 is good.
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Speaker 6: I was doing it at 3.5 but then it's tough
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Speaker 6: see the better you get it's hard you can't make
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Speaker 6: any mistakes so it's just creeping back up you see
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Speaker 6: the Scottish Golf app and you see your scores your
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Speaker 6: good scores falling off at the bottom and you're replacing
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Speaker 6: them with just mediocre.
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Speaker 4: We played with Boy Dempsey didn't we the other day
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Speaker 4: he was cat candy played off two or something he
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Speaker 4: was very good he was good big.
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Speaker 7: Challenge we grew on And he's obviously trying to get
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Speaker 7: down to scratch.
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Speaker 5: Now, it was that before we went on.
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Speaker 7: I was winding him up. I says, some people looked
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Speaker 7: at your swing and said, there's no chance you'll get
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Speaker 7: a scratch.
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Speaker 3: Aye.
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Speaker 1: Afterwards, he was like... Then he hit like a 73
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Speaker 1: or a 74 the next round.
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Speaker 3: Aye, did he? I play over 35s with Charlie. He's
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Speaker 3: still a good player. Aye. He's only a few years out.
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Speaker 3: He's playing that 10 and 6 as well. Is he Celtic?
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Speaker 2: Aye.
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Speaker 4: Aye.
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Speaker 7: Aye.
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Speaker 1: So how did you guys get to use childhood mates?
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Speaker 3: Through St Mirren, actually.
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Speaker 4: I was at St Mirren and Robbo basically replaced me,
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Speaker 4: but there's a boy.
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Speaker 3: Did you play together or not?
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Speaker 6: It was just that exact crossover. I left United and
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Speaker 6: then went to St Mirren.
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Speaker 4: And I'd signed for Hamelin on a pre-contract and then
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Speaker 4: Robbo came in.
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Speaker 3: So we were kind of in the same friends group.
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Speaker 6: Andy Dorman, Stephen McGinn, Diff Barn, Mark Howard, the boys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: So... we kind of just after training we kind of
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Speaker 6: go and meet each other just for coffee or whatever
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Speaker 6: and you were at Hamilton you just come and meet
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Speaker 6: and then I moved in with Andy Dorman and then
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Speaker 6: did Andy stay with me for a bit? Andy was
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Speaker 6: staying I think his missus moved over from America and
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Speaker 6: then I was staying with Andy got kicked out because
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Speaker 6: his missus was coming in and I moved in with
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Speaker 6: Mark and that's kind of where it all started and
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Speaker 6: the Gorbals and the new Gorbals and they just lived
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Speaker 6: together I lived together for a few years I was
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Speaker 6: still my young lad was still up in Dundee so
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Speaker 6: I was just kind of doing that kind of half
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Speaker 6: half travelling we.
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Speaker 4: Lived together a couple of times before and then he
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Speaker 4: went away to Thailand and that's where we sort of
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Speaker 4: started being inspired the first business then when he came
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Speaker 4: back he moved in again so.
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Speaker 3: I've been for a while now. Can I keep away?
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Speaker 3: Like you used to? Aye.
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Speaker 1: Aye, we never bunked.
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Speaker 3: Like Scottish Ant and Dec, weren't we? We were the same.
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Speaker 3: Like Scottish Ant and Dec.
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Speaker 1: We were runnies for a spell under 21s was the
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Speaker 1: first time, wasn't it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And when you came to Celtic, a few months later. 95? 95, aye.
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Speaker 3: I used to know you from Celtic.
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Speaker 1: Under 21s, 20 starts. I used to sell majors.
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Speaker 3: I'm a year younger than that.
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Speaker 6: I saw that I saw that get it in I
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Speaker 6: saw that get it in no it was it was
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Speaker 6: the 21s and I don't know how we ended up together.
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Speaker 7: In the 21s we're going to it's that way in
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Speaker 7: the 21 no we did once I signed we did
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Speaker 7: because I was running with Crawford.
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Speaker 6: Stevie Crawford ah right ok can I mind long.
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Speaker 2: Time ago so your football careers obviously went in different
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Speaker 2: paths where was your most enjoyable career We.
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Speaker 6: Had different parties going in at the senior, so I
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Speaker 6: started in the youth team at Dundee, come through the
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Speaker 6: typical S form, through the youth teams, under 21s, probably
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Speaker 6: lucky that they had the under 21 league at the time,
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Speaker 6: as it was a progression from going from the youth
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Speaker 6: team into the first team. So with the under 21 league,
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Speaker 6: there was that kind of three to five overage players
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Speaker 6: they had at the time. So you maybe go away
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Speaker 6: to Celtic or Rangers and Marco Negri's playing, De Boer's playing.
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Speaker 6: And what a difference it made coming out from the
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Speaker 6: youth team into that and it gave you that progression
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Speaker 6: that i was at dundee at the time when all
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Speaker 6: the italian boys were there the benetti's and stuff so
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Speaker 6: i made i made my debut with you guys and
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Speaker 6: it just took a little bit of time just because
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Speaker 6: there was such a i think at dundee at the
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Speaker 6: time i had a squad of eight years some of
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Speaker 6: the kids for dundee who were getting five six and
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Speaker 6: the wage bill must have been just.
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Speaker 3: That's how they survive exactly that so i went on
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Speaker 3: loan uh.
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Speaker 6: Ray Throwers when Jim Duffy was the manager in the
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Speaker 6: club administration and then I got called back straight away
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Speaker 6: and says right that was me in the first team
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Speaker 6: I think I played like 50-60 games in a row
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Speaker 6: after that.
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Speaker 4: I went through a very different route than that didn't
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Speaker 4: I I ended up I was at Tayport Juniors then
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Speaker 4: I went to uni in Edinburgh so I just signed
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Speaker 4: Phil O'Neill just played Phil O'Neill we won the Scottish
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Speaker 4: and then the next year we got to the Scottish
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Speaker 4: Cup final again What did you go to do at uni?
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Speaker 3: Marine Biology Seriously? Aye aye aye how did that go?
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Speaker 4: It did go great mate I thought I was going
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Speaker 4: to be using that I'm definitely not I thought I
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Speaker 4: was going to be swimming with dolphins and sharks in
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Speaker 4: the Great Barrier Reef but it didn't work out but
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Speaker 4: nah then I signed for when Lifco was there for
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Speaker 4: a couple of years and then it was like Ronnie
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Speaker 4: MacDonald and Alan Maitland they'd all come for junior football
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Speaker 4: and they took over Hamilton and then they took like
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Speaker 4: sort of all the best junior players up to Hamilton
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Speaker 4: so that was when I was like 22 so I
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Speaker 4: was part time with Hamilton for two years then I
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Speaker 4: went full time with St Mariam when I was like
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Speaker 4: 24 we we got promoted from the second division to
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Speaker 4: the first division with Hamilton and then obviously played against
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Speaker 4: St Mirren and did quite well and then Gus signed
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Speaker 4: me so that was my first year full time was
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Speaker 4: 24 so it's a different route certainly I think there's
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Speaker 4: a few boys that have done it now do you
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Speaker 4: know what I mean I think Dougie Emery maybe did
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Speaker 4: it sort of similar and then the boy Darian McKinnon
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Speaker 4: as well he sort of came through amateur and what
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Speaker 4: we saw it gives.
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Speaker 7: You a wee bit more at the end of the
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Speaker 7: career because most boys because it's you know the full
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Speaker 7: time I think you look over the ones that played
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Speaker 7: into like 40 hmm see like Craig Brewster and all that,
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Speaker 7: Davey Weir, because they start, they have jobs, they start with,
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Speaker 7: they're part-time footballers, and then.
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Speaker 6: There's a real hunger for it, I think, it's either like,
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Speaker 6: less wear and tear on the body, you're still like
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Speaker 6: that now, like you're going to play, over 35s, and
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Speaker 6: then five sides, and whatever, whereas like, we were training daily, 15, 16,
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Speaker 6: and I lost the hunger for it, like late 20s,
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Speaker 6: early 30s, and, I retired through an injury.
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Speaker 3: I don't even.
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Speaker 4: Know if it's because like, I'm guessing all football, but like,
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Speaker 4: when you're a professional footballer, you do enjoy it less. Like,
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Speaker 4: I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just like,
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Speaker 4: you played football for the love of playing football when
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Speaker 4: you're playing for like London Football and then when it
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Speaker 4: becomes a job it becomes a job it's like a
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Speaker 4: bit different so then.
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Speaker 6: I think that's hard for me I understand that as
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Speaker 6: well but you do it becomes like say it becomes
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Speaker 6: a job.
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Speaker 4: I do remember going like when I first went full
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Speaker 4: time I was training with St Mirren we were like
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Speaker 4: just in Paisley somewhere And I was like running about
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Speaker 4: like laughing and somebody's like, what are you laughing for?
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Speaker 3: I was like, I can't believe I'm getting paid to train.
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Speaker 4: I was like in an office last week, like working
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Speaker 4: at a computer and now I'm just like running about
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Speaker 4: a pitch.
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Speaker 3: It's like a bit serious.
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Speaker 7: It does go in the management, although when we first
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Speaker 7: took over, the two of us, I remember we played a,
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Speaker 7: I assume we were going to play in the reserve
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Speaker 7: game for Patrick Thistle, doing it in. To show, because
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Speaker 7: other boys were moaning, it was like a Monday night
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Speaker 7: doing it in in the reserve game. It was like
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Speaker 7: it was a punishment. I said, it should be, it's
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Speaker 7: not a punishment. I said, we're buzzing that we can
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Speaker 7: play in a game. but as time goes on in my.
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Speaker 8: Experience I try to do I played down at Dumbarton
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Speaker 8: I think I was the only I was the senior
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Speaker 8: guy I think I was number two at the time
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Speaker 8: and it was all young boys and I'm thinking right
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Speaker 8: going can I lead by example and track but there
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Speaker 8: was nothing happening in the game and it was two
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Speaker 8: old guys there just hammering me I'd done like years getting.
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Speaker 2: Finished I'm trying to help these boys here these guys
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Speaker 2: I was like maybe it's time to.
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Speaker 4: Hang about you get like a high you're trying to
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Speaker 4: do something you're trying to do something for them so
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Speaker 4: you're saying you kind of kind of at 32 then.
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Speaker 6: Yeah I played when I left St Mirren 28 I
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Speaker 6: went and played in Thailand for three years right which
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Speaker 6: was which was brilliant I was just like a total
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Speaker 6: like different lifestyle The boys were technically brilliant, but because.
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Speaker 3: Of the heat, there was not that physicality.
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Speaker 6: It probably suited me getting to the late 20s, slowing
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Speaker 6: in at left back and just playing tidy football. That
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Speaker 6: was kind of my game. It suited me down to
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Speaker 6: the ground. When I came back, we'd already set up
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Speaker 6: Be Inspired and moved back in with Coco and I
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Speaker 6: was signed for Brechin. I was going to go into
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Speaker 6: the juniors and play. There was some mad money floating
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Speaker 6: about then. Brechin had made me an offer. I was like, nah,
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Speaker 6: may as well stay at the best level I can.
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Speaker 6: Rangers were in the league at that point, in League One.
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Speaker 6: So I'd done a year there and then six months
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Speaker 6: at Montrose. But by that time, going from playing that
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Speaker 6: kind of passing game in Thailand to then playing... part-time
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Speaker 6: football was just like, and the first time I'd ever
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Speaker 6: played part-time.
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Speaker 3: Football, it was a total culture, but it was difficult,
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Speaker 3: really difficult.
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Speaker 4: I went part-time in my career as well, but my
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Speaker 4: hip was, I'd had a bad hip injury when I
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Speaker 4: was at Hamilton before I came to part of this,
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Speaker 4: so that was my first year back after it, so
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Speaker 4: I tore the cartilage in my hip, they did an
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Speaker 4: operation to sort of prolong it, but by the end
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Speaker 4: of my career, I was taking like 12 painkillers a
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Speaker 4: day just to get through training.
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Speaker 6: There must be so many boys when they get into
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Speaker 6: their 30s that are just taking pills.
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Speaker 4: That's the only big step, reason I could it was
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Speaker 4: like 3 diclofenac and like 8 cocodron a day just
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Speaker 4: to get through I'm kind of playing the 10 and
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Speaker 4: 6's this weekend my knees got I'm needing an ACL.
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Speaker 6: Up later on after playing 5 asides and all that
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Speaker 6: in amateur football when I finished playing that they actually
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Speaker 6: realised you didn't even have an ACL, so you were
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Speaker 6: playing your career without an ACL. So I tore my
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Speaker 6: cartilage and I got a scan and they were like, listen,
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Speaker 6: you've not even got an ACL, you're going to need
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Speaker 6: to reconstruct that.
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Speaker 3: I was like, nah, you're alright. I was 37, 38
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Speaker 3: at the time.
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Speaker 6: I can still play golf, I'm alright.
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Speaker 3: I've always played with the club, that's fine.
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Speaker 2: You see, when you come to the end of your
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Speaker 2: football career then, because I was trying to think back
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Speaker 2: towards the end of my career, it was like you
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Speaker 2: were signing, it wasn't long-term contracts anymore, it was just
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Speaker 2: year to year. And you were just kind of thinking, right,
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Speaker 2: get to the next year. I didn't really have an
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Speaker 2: outlook of what I was going to do next. But
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Speaker 2: did you guys, when you went in to be inspired,
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Speaker 2: was this a plan for a while or did you
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Speaker 2: just come about it?
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Speaker 3: Not really.
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Speaker 4: I think obviously Stephen touched on it. Like, see, when
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Speaker 4: we were at St Mirren, or he was at St
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Speaker 4: Mirren and I was at Hamill, we used to meet
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Speaker 4: up after training. We were all like, what are we
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Speaker 4: going to do after our careers? So we'd be talking
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Speaker 4: about it and stuff. But, The Be Inspired thing never
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Speaker 4: really came about. It only really came about when Robo
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Speaker 4: went to Thailand. So he was over there and I
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Speaker 4: was like, surely there's something over there that's maybe a
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Speaker 4: bit different that we could sell back here. And then
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Speaker 4: for a couple of years, obviously, he was just patching
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Speaker 4: me because he was enjoying himself in Thailand.
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Speaker 3: You know what it's like with footwear, isn't it? Stay
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Speaker 3: in touch with many boys.
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Speaker 6: I know you're in a tight-knit dressing room for a year,
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Speaker 6: but then you move on and you lose touch with boys.
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Speaker 6: So when I was over there, we kept in touch
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Speaker 6: all the time.
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Speaker 3: He's like, you get me a move, you get me
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Speaker 3: a move, I'm driving. Go over there, I can sell here.
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Speaker 6: So then on my days off, I used to go
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Speaker 6: up to the market stalls and just say, I was
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Speaker 6: on my own, I was just like, looking about, and
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Speaker 6: then I was like, listen, I've got t-shirts here, how
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Speaker 6: about I just buy some on the market and send
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Speaker 6: them back to you? I think you were at Ross
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Speaker 6: County at the time, and I was sending them to you.
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Speaker 4: You were sending me, and I sent them to the
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Speaker 4: changing room, and put them on eBay, and we were
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Speaker 4: doing really well for them. And then obviously the guy,
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Speaker 4: the guy, and then the guy was.
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Speaker 3: Have you.
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Speaker 1: Already spoken about clothing before this, though?
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Speaker 3: I was just looking at you. Clothes, probably more than me.
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Speaker 3: You were into more brands.
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Speaker 6: I was more into brands, and I liked, I always
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Speaker 6: liked fashion, always was into that, so... When we were
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Speaker 6: sending stuff back to you, it was like selling so fast.
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Speaker 6: The guy that was buying the stuff off was an
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Speaker 6: Italian guy who had his own wee market stall set up.
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Speaker 3: He says, why did you not start your own brand?
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Speaker 3: Was he not supplying like DC10? Yeah, he was.
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Speaker 6: Supplying the merch stuff for all the clubs in Ibiza.
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Speaker 6: So he was like, listen, I can do this and that.
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Speaker 6: I'll do the labels, the packaging.
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Speaker 3: Do you want it? I'll help out.
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Speaker 6: He says, we can start really small. We'll start with
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Speaker 6: like 100 pieces. And we're just trying. Within two weeks,
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Speaker 6: we'd sold it.
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Speaker 4: I think we called it Be Inspired because we had
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Speaker 4: no design background or anything so we were trying to
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Speaker 4: inspire people to sort of design for us so we
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Speaker 4: came up with an idea of like if you design
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Speaker 4: we'll run a competition every month and the winner will
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Speaker 4: make 100 pieces they get 25 to sell to their
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Speaker 4: friends and family and we'll keep 75 and sell on
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Speaker 4: the website but we made like these four designs and
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Speaker 4: they were awful we designed them on our phones it
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Speaker 4: was all pixelated I've still got a couple in my
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Speaker 4: house but my boy was like I can't print them
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Speaker 4: so he helped us as well so we released four
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Speaker 4: to start with and like we probably used boys like
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Speaker 4: Scott Brown Charlie Mulgrew Stephen Nesmith James McCarthy it was
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Speaker 4: a Hamilton he sent them stuff and they put it
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Speaker 4: on their Facebook at the time and like in a
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Speaker 4: week we'd sold.
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Speaker 6: Out of a hundred it was like influencer marketing before
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Speaker 6: it was a thing and we'd kind of like moved
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Speaker 6: away for like help getting other people to help design
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Speaker 6: we were just banging out average designs on our phone.
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Speaker 3: It was the very early days of like Instagram and
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Speaker 3: Twitter and Facebook and stuff like that.
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Speaker 2: It probably helped you from your background in football with
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Speaker 2: the network though because that was.
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Speaker 3: Your platform to get through. Definitely.
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Speaker 4: I remember even like people like we had a hoodie
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Speaker 4: come in we gave it to Anthony Stokes and he
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Speaker 4: put it on and we sold like 20 that night.
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Speaker 4: I mean just the wee things like that definitely helped
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Speaker 4: us in the beginning. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And where do you develop it from there when you
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Speaker 1: come back home?
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 6: Came back, signed for briefing. The two of us were
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Speaker 6: kind of managing like three or so. We'd be inspired
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Speaker 6: like a Sunday night, Wednesday night, Friday night.
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Speaker 3: And then we would work. We were working on recruitment.
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Speaker 6: We'd walk in the town from the Got New Gorbals
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Speaker 6: every day, working Monday to Friday. And then we were
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Speaker 6: playing our part in football Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. So our
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Speaker 6: full week was just consumed just like trying to earn
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Speaker 6: as much money as I could. We never earned enough
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Speaker 6: money in our careers that you can go, right, I'm
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Speaker 6: just going to retire.
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's a lot of people in Scotland. No,
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Speaker 3: there's just not.
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Speaker 4: I remember just speaking about being inspired all the way
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Speaker 4: to work in the morning and then at lunchtime, I'd
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Speaker 4: be at the post office just spending my whole lunch
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Speaker 4: sending out stuff and then we'd be speaking about walking
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Speaker 4: back and it was good.
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Speaker 3: It was good. I'm a little bit used to it.
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Speaker 6: Football network obviously grow the brand but there's still so
14:36
Speaker 6: much hard work that goes on behind it people didn't
14:38
Speaker 6: see it maybe you think you're lucky you maybe play
14:40
Speaker 6: football you can tap into who you know and stuff
14:42
Speaker 6: like that but without the like you say posting stuff
14:45
Speaker 6: like that and working every night of the week just
14:48
Speaker 6: to earn a living it's like people didn't see that
14:53
Speaker 6: but the first three I'd probably say the first eight
14:57
Speaker 6: years was just chaos it was just organised chaos just
15:00
Speaker 6: going from would have the stock room my bedroom was
15:03
Speaker 6: basically at Mark's flat was my was the stock room
15:06
Speaker 6: so basically I was double bedding and his wee dog
15:09
Speaker 6: Bailey would just run in amongst all the stock and
15:11
Speaker 6: I had it just like t-shirts and hoodies along the
15:13
Speaker 6: side of the bed we still got photos and stuff.
15:16
Speaker 4: Like that so the first few years was wild I
15:18
Speaker 4: think it went from like 130 grand to like 500
15:21
Speaker 4: grand to like was it like a million and then
15:23
Speaker 4: like three million seven eleven do you know what I
15:25
Speaker 4: mean it was just like I mean didn't he really
15:27
Speaker 4: know what what What was going on?
15:29
Speaker 3: We were just trying to steer the ship.
15:31
Speaker 6: At one point in 2018, the turnover in the business
15:34
Speaker 6: was £ 14.
15:34
Speaker 3: 5 million. And then there was also.
15:36
Speaker 6: £ 3 million in ASOS and foot asylum orders.
15:40
Speaker 3: So don't get me wrong.
15:42
Speaker 4: For two boys that had come out of football, obviously
15:45
Speaker 4: we knew what we were doing, but business-wise, probably.
15:48
Speaker 3: There was so much turnover and buying stock.
15:51
Speaker 6: If somebody had come alongside us with a financial brain
15:54
Speaker 6: who knew the figures straight off the bat, it would
15:57
Speaker 6: have been a massive help for probably the next.
16:00
Speaker 3: Five to 10 years.
16:01
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, like we did have a, we brought in a
16:04
Speaker 6: finance director and he kind of got it to a place,
16:07
Speaker 6: but there was so many like variables in that, like
16:09
Speaker 6: Brexit and COVID that you have to navigate through. And
16:13
Speaker 6: then we pulled down the accounts, which looking back, we
16:16
Speaker 6: maybe shouldn't have.
16:17
Speaker 3: There's just so many variables. But then obviously Brexit and
16:19
Speaker 3: COVID happened. So you don't, you don't, it's hard. There's
16:22
Speaker 3: lots of it.
16:22
Speaker 4: Like see for the first sort of, Four or five years,
16:24
Speaker 4: it was just kind of smooth sailing. Then obviously all
16:26
Speaker 4: these things happened.
16:27
Speaker 6: We could have printed the brand on a cup and
16:29
Speaker 6: we'd have sold like $ 500.
16:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just like, that's how crazy
16:33
Speaker 3: it was.
16:34
Speaker 7: It wasn't successful. So you opened a shop as well.
16:38
Speaker 7: Was that after COVID?
16:39
Speaker 3: That was further. Our first pop-up shop was just before COVID.
16:43
Speaker 3: Was that the one that was in? The one in
16:44
Speaker 3: Princess Square. Princess Square, yeah. It was just before COVID.
16:46
Speaker 3: We took a little bit of staff to shop, didn't we?
16:48
Speaker 3: And we took it for a three, four month period.
16:50
Speaker 3: And it had done really well, but then COVID hit.
16:53
Speaker 6: So then that kind of just, right, we just have
16:55
Speaker 6: to pull everything in and tighten up the budget and
16:57
Speaker 6: stuff like that. So we kind of go back into shops.
17:01
Speaker 3: It was such a weird time, wasn't it?
17:02
Speaker 4: We had, like, Skella and staff and, like, we had
17:04
Speaker 4: a big warehouse, which was probably too big, but it
17:06
Speaker 4: kind of helped because people could sort of, like, almost
17:09
Speaker 4: isolate work as well. So, like, the warehouse is that big,
17:11
Speaker 4: they don't have to go near each other, still pick
17:13
Speaker 4: and pack.
17:14
Speaker 3: But, yeah, it was just... Yeah, what comes with that?
17:16
Speaker 7: Did you tell yourself today what to do, like you
17:19
Speaker 7: know now?
17:20
Speaker 3: I think just maybe getting somebody.
17:22
Speaker 4: Financially, obviously we know a lot more about that now,
17:25
Speaker 4: but at that time, it was just we didn't really
17:27
Speaker 4: have any structure in the business.
17:28
Speaker 3: We were just buying stuff and selling it.
17:29
Speaker 6: We never had any business knowledge of what we were doing.
17:31
Speaker 6: We were just buying stuff and selling it.
17:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what I was finding. You feed off
17:35
Speaker 3: the buzz, it's like scoring a goal.
17:37
Speaker 6: When you get a sale, it's like scoring a goal,
17:38
Speaker 6: but there's so many things to get that sale and
17:41
Speaker 6: that score, that goal. There's so much build-up play that
17:43
Speaker 6: you don't see along the way. It's like spending money
17:47
Speaker 6: on marketing.
17:47
Speaker 3: Like margins, marketing, overheads.
17:51
Speaker 1: I was at one of your events. That's right. You offered,
17:57
Speaker 1: was it 10k to the winners?
17:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we did 10k to charity as well.
18:02
Speaker 6: It was a 10k budget and then there was like
18:05
Speaker 6: a thousand pound each for the winners, each player. And
18:09
Speaker 6: then there was three grand.
18:10
Speaker 1: We thought we were shoo-ins.
18:11
Speaker 3: You just got to the final, didn't you?
18:13
Speaker 1: No, we never.
18:14
Speaker 2: Hi guys, as you probably well know by now, we
18:17
Speaker 2: have signed up for the London Marathon next April and
18:22
Speaker 2: we have some fantastic people supporting us, groups supporting us,
18:26
Speaker 2: we're doing it for a fantastic cause, or.
18:27
Speaker 1: Two causes, who are we doing it for?
18:29
Speaker 7: We're doing it for Headway UK and the Concilium Sports Foundation.
18:33
Speaker 2: Yep, so we're going to have some updated videos of
18:37
Speaker 2: our progress and our training and everything else that it
18:40
Speaker 2: takes to get us over the line He's emphasised that
18:43
Speaker 2: time doesn't matter.
18:45
Speaker 5: Doesn't matter.
18:46
Speaker 1: As long as we complete it.
18:48
Speaker 2: There'll be a link in the bio for any charity donations.
18:53
Speaker 2: We're going to be raising as much money as we
18:55
Speaker 2: can over the next period of time. Our training starts
18:58
Speaker 2: very soon. And yeah, look forward to some updates on here.
19:02
Speaker 3: Hopefully no injuries. Did you not ever?
19:05
Speaker 1: No. You got beat by the winners? We got beat
19:07
Speaker 1: off the Scotland.
19:08
Speaker 2: Aye.
19:09
Speaker 3: Aye, the Scotland. The football team, aye. They used to
19:11
Speaker 3: go to Dubai and play and stuff.
19:12
Speaker 2: So we played in the group. There was four in
19:14
Speaker 2: the group, if I remember rightly. And we beat them
19:16
Speaker 2: in the group. And then we played a younger team
19:19
Speaker 2: in the next round.
19:20
Speaker 3: Wow, that's brilliant.
19:22
Speaker 1: I think the Clans were fighting the referee at one point.
19:24
Speaker 3: That's actually brilliant.
19:26
Speaker 1: So we beat a young team in the next round.
19:29
Speaker 2: And then we were drawn against the football team in
19:31
Speaker 2: the quarters or the semis. We had normally you wouldn't
19:34
Speaker 2: meet them again until the final and the day was
19:38
Speaker 2: taking its toll with us obviously the age and stuff
19:40
Speaker 2: but I remember the rules as well you could pass
19:42
Speaker 2: the ball back so I think they got their noses
19:43
Speaker 2: in front and just kept rolling it back so they
19:46
Speaker 2: went on to win it didn't they yeah they did
19:47
Speaker 2: win it but it was a really that was they
19:50
Speaker 2: were good.
19:50
Speaker 6: As well that video was actually on YouTube from the
19:52
Speaker 6: full day and besides.
19:55
Speaker 3: Adrian Slaney they had just started did they have open
19:59
Speaker 3: goal at that point.
20:00
Speaker 6: They had just started and then that was on the
20:03
Speaker 6: video yeah because we had like an after party all
20:05
Speaker 6: the guys we came with that was.
20:06
Speaker 2: Brilliant you just had a decent side didn't you we
20:08
Speaker 2: had a good side and honestly I think I was
20:10
Speaker 2: speaking to you I says what if we win it
20:12
Speaker 2: because we're obviously ex-pros.
20:13
Speaker 1: He says if you win it you get the money
20:15
Speaker 1: obviously me Charlie Miller Andy.
20:16
Speaker 5: McLaren eh.
20:21
Speaker 4: Marvin Andrews he's a hard boy to get around at a.
20:24
Speaker 2: Five-a-side pitch Robbie Winters.
20:29
Speaker 1: There's a couple of other ones who's your goalie? I
20:32
Speaker 1: don't know I can't remember the goalie somebody pulled him
20:34
Speaker 1: in for somewhere did.
20:35
Speaker 4: He let you down?
20:36
Speaker 1: No I couldn't even blame him They were good, that team.
20:39
Speaker 6: They were.
20:39
Speaker 3: They were good.
20:40
Speaker 1: Did they not go to.
20:41
Speaker 3: Dubai and play and win the tournament there?
20:43
Speaker 4: I think they'd won a tournament in Dubai back. They
20:46
Speaker 4: all played together all the time, so they kind of,
20:48
Speaker 4: they knew their roles and what they were doing and
20:49
Speaker 4: how they played and stuff.
20:50
Speaker 1: We peaked beating them in the group.
20:51
Speaker 3: Ah, these were flying at that fight. That was a
20:54
Speaker 3: great day. That was good, to be fair.
20:55
Speaker 6: I think that was one thing that we learned that, as, say,
20:58
Speaker 6: from COVID onwards, we stopped doing these sort of events.
21:02
Speaker 6: These are like, they're like brand exercises, so everybody starts
21:05
Speaker 6: to want to be involved in that.
21:07
Speaker 3: Whereas we probably flipped and just set the product.
21:10
Speaker 4: See, because the growth was so much early on, there
21:13
Speaker 4: was probably excess money to do things like that.
21:14
Speaker 3: But then see when it sort of leveled off.
21:16
Speaker 4: And we were sort of doing like 10 mil a year,
21:17
Speaker 4: like regularly, then we were like pulling money out of
21:22
Speaker 4: things to put it, like our overheads were probably too
21:23
Speaker 4: high at that point. And it's something that you learn
21:25
Speaker 4: in business as we went on. But like, because the overhead,
21:28
Speaker 4: we were pulling out of bits that were actually making
21:29
Speaker 4: the brand better. So we weren't doing these like sponsorships
21:32
Speaker 4: or we weren't doing events or we weren't sponsoring, like
21:34
Speaker 4: we'd sponsored Ocean Beach.
21:35
Speaker 3: And, Things like that.
21:36
Speaker 2: Did you just go anywhere with likes at events?
21:39
Speaker 1: Did you just go abroad?
21:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were done. We would do photo shoots.
21:42
Speaker 6: We'd do photo shoots in Tokyo and New York and
21:44
Speaker 6: Chicago and they just made the brand look amazing.
21:47
Speaker 4: So even things like that, we pulled out of them
21:48
Speaker 4: a wee bit because we spent like 20 grand going
21:52
Speaker 4: to Japan or something to do a photo shoot. Do
21:53
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? But it actually made the
21:55
Speaker 4: brand look amazing. I think that's kind of the normal budget.
21:58
Speaker 6: But what we were doing is we were buying so
22:00
Speaker 6: much stock and putting it in a warehouse at Kenan
22:03
Speaker 6: Park that was about 35 grand a month rent. 65,000
22:07
Speaker 6: square feet it was like and you just it just
22:10
Speaker 6: wasn't sustainable because as soon as the market dropped then
22:13
Speaker 6: you're like I've got this big warehouse.
22:14
Speaker 3: What am I going to do it was more like
22:16
Speaker 3: we kind of again I.
22:17
Speaker 4: Was learning but like we were kind of building our
22:20
Speaker 4: business around October November December so like if you had
22:24
Speaker 4: that turnover all the time we had a good business
22:26
Speaker 4: but then we weren't thinking about January, February, March and
22:28
Speaker 4: then you kind of have to build it around.
22:30
Speaker 3: That time and then you peak and it's on top almost.
22:34
Speaker 6: And we probably wouldn't be doing that in the early
22:35
Speaker 6: years of Beats without actually realising we were doing it
22:38
Speaker 6: so we had a small warehouse in Camus Lang and
22:42
Speaker 6: the guys Callum MacDonald do you know Callum? Callum played
22:44
Speaker 6: for Dundee with me we brought.
22:47
Speaker 4: A lot of part time footballers in didn't we Sean
22:52
Speaker 4: Dixon Brian Wharton Brian was in Morgan Neil came over to.
22:58
Speaker 6: Work so it was a good we tried to create
23:02
Speaker 6: that dressing room culture and be inspired in the first
23:06
Speaker 6: eight years it was probably like that so Callum would
23:08
Speaker 6: come in in the morning and with a forklift, and
23:10
Speaker 6: there was actually no space in the warehouse, and we'd
23:12
Speaker 6: just be removing stock, putting it outside, covering it with
23:15
Speaker 6: tarpaulin in the middle of winter, just so they could
23:17
Speaker 6: have a bit of space to work. And we would
23:19
Speaker 6: then come out of that Christmas with loads of excess cash,
23:22
Speaker 6: because the overheads were low, and we were packing orders still,
23:26
Speaker 6: and it definitely made the business feel like it was
23:29
Speaker 6: going somewhere at that point, and that's something we've probably
23:31
Speaker 6: learned going forward.
23:33
Speaker 7: I suppose a good thing now is you've learned from
23:35
Speaker 7: the new one, isn't that right? you're just a bit
23:38
Speaker 7: more excited about what you can do.
23:40
Speaker 3: About it definitely definitely should be good everybody wants good
23:44
Speaker 3: golf gear as.
23:45
Speaker 4: Well well golf's so massive now isn't it I mean
23:48
Speaker 4: I think obviously as you get to a certain age
23:49
Speaker 4: as well I think it's I talk about playing football,
23:53
Speaker 4: but I play football on a Saturday or Friday night.
23:55
Speaker 4: I'm in bits until Tuesday. Do you know what I mean?
23:57
Speaker 4: Whereas you play golf, it's not as bad. It's easier
24:00
Speaker 4: on your body. So I think it kind of replaces
24:02
Speaker 4: that competitive edge for a lot of people that maybe
24:04
Speaker 4: do play sport and.
24:05
Speaker 3: Get a bit older.
24:06
Speaker 1: The new brand, is it purely golf?
24:08
Speaker 3: It's kind of golf lifestyle, I'd say.
24:10
Speaker 4: So I'd They want it to be like something you
24:12
Speaker 4: can wear on the course, but also like if you
24:14
Speaker 4: turned up to like for a coffee or going out
24:16
Speaker 4: and about, you'd look smart and it's not going to
24:18
Speaker 4: have loads of.
24:19
Speaker 3: It's like on the course, off the course.
24:20
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
24:20
Speaker 3: It's like a proper golf lifestyle brand.
24:22
Speaker 6: There's a few brands that we like to wear across
24:25
Speaker 6: like golf that you can wear and maybe go and
24:28
Speaker 6: shop in or go for a coffee.
24:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, so go and travel.
24:31
Speaker 1: Paddle as well.
24:31
Speaker 7: Are we getting to paddle?
24:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I've been playing a wee bit back. I'm
24:35
Speaker 3: more into golf to be fair.
24:37
Speaker 6: So if we're going to kind of go down that
24:39
Speaker 6: route and... a lot of the content will be focused
24:41
Speaker 6: around that.
24:42
Speaker 7: So when's that sort of kicking off then?
24:45
Speaker 4: We've obviously started the content and things like that. We've
24:47
Speaker 4: got samples in place. We've placed our first order.
24:50
Speaker 3: So we're just going to start small and just build
24:52
Speaker 3: it up from there.
24:52
Speaker 1: You've got Craig Watson modelling again.
24:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. How did you know Craig?
24:56
Speaker 5: Did you play with Craig?
24:57
Speaker 1: I coached him with my kids. I knew him years ago.
25:01
Speaker 3: Oh, for their prime soccer?
25:02
Speaker 1: Before that as well. My first boys team coming through, Giffnock.
25:06
Speaker 1: He was involved with that.
25:07
Speaker 3: He's a great lad. He is a good lad. Yeah.
25:10
Speaker 4: I think, I don't know if we just sort of
25:11
Speaker 4: seen him on socials and then reached out to him
25:13
Speaker 4: and when we were at Be Inspired we liked to
25:15
Speaker 4: use like football, like we kind of liked to keep
25:17
Speaker 4: it involved in football so all the names were like
25:19
Speaker 4: football players and then we were using the boy Tom
25:21
Speaker 4: Lang so he played for Rafe Lovers and he was
25:24
Speaker 4: at Rangers when he was younger so we used him
25:26
Speaker 4: as a model and then we brought Craig in as
25:28
Speaker 4: a model and we just like to sort of keep that,
25:30
Speaker 4: keep it sort of in Scotland as well and then
25:32
Speaker 4: he's become quite good pals now so I play golf
25:34
Speaker 4: with him as well actually, good lad and we're going
25:37
Speaker 4: to try and use him for Cairn as well.
25:40
Speaker 1: Where did you come up with the name?
25:43
Speaker 4: Well, we were just looking, first and foremost, I wanted
25:45
Speaker 4: something that sort of had a nod to Scotland because
25:47
Speaker 4: it's kind of where we're from without being like Scottish.
25:50
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? So it appeals to everyone.
25:52
Speaker 4: And then because of sort of what happened with the
25:55
Speaker 4: way sort of Be Inspired ended, it felt as though
25:56
Speaker 4: we were just in a bit.
25:58
Speaker 3: Of a pile of rubble.
25:59
Speaker 4: And then Cairn means like a pile of stones that
26:01
Speaker 4: sort of like leads the way. So I thought it
26:03
Speaker 4: was quite apt. And then we put the two I's
26:06
Speaker 4: in it just to sort of signify being rubble. sort
26:08
Speaker 4: of standing together.
26:09
Speaker 7: So when did you finish with the Be Inspired stuff then.
26:13
Speaker 4: Well it's like last November Be Inspired went into administration
26:17
Speaker 4: and then the new owners bought out of administration and
26:21
Speaker 4: me and Stephen worked as consultants until.
26:24
Speaker 3: About two months ago yeah June July time so we
26:29
Speaker 3: worked and helped him get it sort of built up
26:32
Speaker 3: a wee bit.
26:34
Speaker 6: I would say yeah I would say it was tough
26:36
Speaker 6: on a daily basis it was probably tough like because
26:40
Speaker 6: it's yours yeah so it's like something we'd built up
26:43
Speaker 6: for years I actually quite enjoyed after being like less
26:46
Speaker 6: stressed aye I was so chaotic for so many years
26:49
Speaker 6: came straight out of football with no break I think
26:52
Speaker 6: it was it was the last Christmas was the first
26:54
Speaker 6: time I'd ever had a Christmas New Year off ever
26:57
Speaker 6: because even retail you've got to like Boxing Day just
27:00
Speaker 6: before Christmas and Boxing Day is just the busiest time i.
27:03
Speaker 4: Think going through administration was horrible as well when i
27:05
Speaker 4: was like horrible because you that's fear on the own
27:10
Speaker 4: as well you don't really know what's going on obviously
27:11
Speaker 4: we got dragged into a few things or like personal
27:14
Speaker 4: stuff as well so it's like that was a horrible
27:16
Speaker 4: period um and then to be fair the guy we
27:19
Speaker 4: worked and he probably helped us get on an even
27:22
Speaker 4: keel uh sort of sort of settle ourselves down a
27:25
Speaker 4: little bit but I think the.
27:27
Speaker 6: Long term plan was never going to be us involved
27:30
Speaker 6: and I think he knew that as well.
27:32
Speaker 7: Was your ambition to grow it and then sell it?
27:36
Speaker 3: Probably not and that's probably where we went wrong. That
27:39
Speaker 3: was our biggest downfall.
27:40
Speaker 4: We had people looking to invest and we had people
27:42
Speaker 4: looking to maybe take parts of it over the time but.
27:46
Speaker 3: We were like, oh, we want to keep this going
27:47
Speaker 3: for like 20 years and be a legacy.
27:49
Speaker 2: I think the fact that, obviously, it sounds indefinitely, you
27:53
Speaker 2: exploded onto the scene with Be Inspired. Do you think
27:56
Speaker 2: that's worked against you because it's harder to manage the
28:00
Speaker 2: fact that you get so big so quickly?
28:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think it probably.
28:05
Speaker 4: grew arms and legs before we even knew what would
28:07
Speaker 4: happen do you know what I mean and whereas if
28:09
Speaker 4: it had maybe been a bit more steady growth we
28:11
Speaker 4: would have learned more along the way because.
28:12
Speaker 6: We were working in the business on a daily basis
28:14
Speaker 6: you didn't you actually didn't see the whole overall picture
28:17
Speaker 6: so for.
28:17
Speaker 4: Like the first like four or five years we were
28:19
Speaker 4: probably working from like seven in the morning to like
28:20
Speaker 4: eleven at night do you know what I mean just
28:22
Speaker 4: every day just writing about it do you know what
28:23
Speaker 4: I mean not really knowing what's going on around you
28:25
Speaker 4: you were just whereas.
28:27
Speaker 6: Like maybe we it did definitely lead on a bit
28:29
Speaker 6: like burnout yeah even like up to like two years
28:31
Speaker 6: ago the two.
28:32
Speaker 4: Of us were just and that's probably why we brought
28:35
Speaker 4: the people in to help us and it didn't really
28:37
Speaker 4: go the way we wanted it to do you mean
28:39
Speaker 4: just because we needed a we needed a step back
28:41
Speaker 4: of being like like we've been in this for a
28:43
Speaker 4: long time like i said my my marriage broke down
28:46
Speaker 4: probably because of a lot of things to do with
28:48
Speaker 4: being inspired do you mean and it just it probably
28:51
Speaker 4: consumed our lives for like 10 years so obviously we
28:54
Speaker 4: looked at maybe bringing somebody in and i think the.
28:56
Speaker 6: One lesson that would take into the next new brand
28:59
Speaker 6: is basically like you don't need to chase and push
29:02
Speaker 6: for like a mad turnover of money because it's just vanity.
29:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
29:06
Speaker 6: It's like, can you sustain a lifestyle that you want
29:10
Speaker 6: to be? And I think that's why we've chose golf
29:11
Speaker 6: because that's kind of been our get out for the
29:13
Speaker 6: last maybe 10 months.
29:15
Speaker 3: Is that actually right? Yeah, a million percent.
29:18
Speaker 6: And even like last year when things weren't going well,
29:21
Speaker 6: like the people we'd hired to put in the business,
29:24
Speaker 6: they were quite like, no, you just go and, we've
29:26
Speaker 6: got everyone taken care of, but it was a lot
29:29
Speaker 6: different than that.
29:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 7: Just, so is it to put it online then with
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Speaker 7: the new stuff or are we going into shops as well.
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Speaker 4: We've got like a whole business plan yeah we've got
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Speaker 4: an idea so like I think initially we'd start online
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Speaker 4: because that's what we know and what we feel is
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Speaker 4: we're quite good at and we can get it out
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Speaker 4: there but we'd like to try and get it in
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Speaker 4: sort of pro shops there's not many independent retailers around
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Speaker 4: the country like JD and Foot Asylum and then all
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Speaker 4: the independent ones sort of struggle on the high street
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Speaker 4: whereas like every golf course has got a pro shop
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean so If we can get
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Speaker 4: into a few pro shops around the country, that'd be successful.
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Speaker 6: Every pro shop's got facilities right next to it, so
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Speaker 6: if guys finish on the course and go to the
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Speaker 6: pro shop, they can go, well, I haven't gone out
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Speaker 6: this afternoon. You can pick up a pair of trousers
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Speaker 6: and a quarter zip or a polo shirt or a t-shirt.
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Speaker 4: It's also suitable to be playing golf as well, but
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Speaker 4: you can also go out on it as well.
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Speaker 3: So that's kind of like a bit of a hybrid
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Speaker 3: approach if we can do that. That's our plan, so
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Speaker 3: we'll just see how it goes. Something a bit different
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Speaker 3: as well. I don't see many of this. So where
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Speaker 3: is all this stuff? Where do you.
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Speaker 1: Source it from?
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Speaker 4: Sourced it from China just now still yeah China I
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Speaker 4: was going to.
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Speaker 2: Head over that big guy in the stall no I
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Speaker 2: don't do you know what I still keep in touch
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Speaker 2: with him I still keep in touch.
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Speaker 6: With him good guy he actually does a lot of
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Speaker 6: work for Puma and champion them so he's growing it's
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Speaker 6: been good to see him grow over the years so
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Speaker 6: he was just a wee stall just a wee tiny
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Speaker 6: stall in a big multi-storey building wild how people's lives
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Speaker 6: progress with business so aye.
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Speaker 2: You were doing what was the thing I've seen online
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Speaker 2: you were doing some sort of competition for part of
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Speaker 2: your launch so.
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Speaker 4: Yes tomorrow actually so we've run a at Hags the
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Speaker 4: castle the course I'm a member of they've agreed to
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Speaker 4: sort of open sorry host an open sort of care
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Speaker 4: and invitational day so we ran a competition to get
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Speaker 4: people involved kind of wanted to create a community with
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Speaker 4: it as well so it's not just like products selling
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Speaker 4: clothes we wanted to create like a sort of golf
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Speaker 4: sort of community for people yeah so it was like
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Speaker 4: four winners and then they picked like a four ball
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Speaker 4: sort of to the other people so we announced that
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Speaker 4: on Sunday and everyone's sort of sorted now it's been
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Speaker 4: a bit of back and forth people pulling out and
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Speaker 4: not as easy as we would like to have got
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Speaker 4: 16 players but everyone's sorted now so the day's all
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Speaker 4: organised looking forward to it got.
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Speaker 6: A wee trophy in that got a trophy Andy Barman
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Speaker 6: he donated a trophy.
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Speaker 4: So he does like is it Soccer Shop Direct so
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Speaker 4: he does like kids like strips and stuff like that
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Speaker 4: So he's donated a trophy for us, helped us.
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Speaker 6: We've got quite a few sponsors, actually. Like Aleph Goff,
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Speaker 6: we've donated a floorball. Another business donated a gift voucher
31:58
Speaker 6: for Trendy Golf.
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Speaker 3: Trendy Golf, aye. It's been quite good. It's been really amazing.
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Speaker 3: I think we had so many people sign up for
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Speaker 3: it as well.
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Speaker 2: I think you'll get a spin-off, obviously, from being inspired
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Speaker 2: as well. Because I was listening to your stuff, you're
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Speaker 2: talking about age as well. We're all getting older, and
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Speaker 2: your fashion maybe... kind of coincides with getting older go.
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Speaker 1: For comfort more than well you'll get people.
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Speaker 2: That were buying that be inspired that are obviously maybe
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Speaker 2: looking at something a wee bit different as well so
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Speaker 2: you'll get a fall off it's.
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Speaker 4: Kind of like what you're wearing it feels like see
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Speaker 4: when you're a bit younger you kind of probably all
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Speaker 4: of us like it's like very branded and then as
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Speaker 4: you get older it kind of becomes a bit more
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Speaker 4: plainer so it's kind of it's going to be have
32:38
Speaker 4: branding on it but it's going to be a cleaner
32:39
Speaker 4: sort of look so it sort of maybe stands the
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Speaker 4: test of time so it's probably targeting more like 30
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Speaker 4: to 50 year olds that really like an active lifestyle
32:47
Speaker 4: it's a kind of mindset sort of thing isn't it
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Speaker 4: age age doesn't really matter too much i think it's
32:51
Speaker 4: like that sort of active like you're still both very
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Speaker 4: active do you know what i mean my young lad's
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Speaker 4: 19 and he tried on the samples and he came
32:57
Speaker 4: through and he went.
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Speaker 3: Dad, I just feel like you in this. And he says,
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Speaker 3: but I'll tell you what, I actually really like it.
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Speaker 6: And that's coming from a 19-year-old who's like, I'll wear that.
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Speaker 6: But even if our content and our audience is 30-plus,
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Speaker 6: then it's good to have that younger audience actually saying.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'll wear that as well. But we're not really
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Speaker 3: pushing that golf thing. Brilliant.
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Speaker 2: Well, guys, it's been really interesting. I think we'll finish
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Speaker 2: with some recommendations. What we'd like to do is get
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Speaker 2: you to recommend a film. I don't know if you've
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Speaker 2: done any films. A song and an album for the
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Speaker 2: next guest.
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Speaker 3: Who does he watch films?
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Speaker 2: We had Michael Stewart on who recommended a book. So
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Speaker 2: we're going to start from scratch today. So can you
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Speaker 2: give us a recommendation for a film for our next guest?
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Speaker 1: A song and an album. You can split it between
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Speaker 1: the two of you.
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Speaker 3: A song and an album.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 3: Film. My favourite film is The Usual Suspects.
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Speaker 1: Good film.
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Speaker 4: I think, obviously, once you've seen it once, you've... Oh, right.
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Speaker 4: But I think that's a great film.
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Speaker 1: That is a great film.
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Speaker 3: Loved that film. I fucking shit this stuff.
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Speaker 6: Songs.
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Speaker 1: He can help you out. Songs.
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Speaker 3: I was in Ibiza recently. So I just like... I
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Speaker 3: like dance tunes, so I still like house music and that.
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Speaker 4: So I went to... It was a DJ I'd not
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Speaker 4: seen before, Mal P. I went to see him at Pasha.
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Speaker 3: He was class. Anything by him, really, then I'll... Come on,
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Speaker 3: wee man, you've got.
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Speaker 1: To give us something.
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Speaker 6: There's a band, I'm not sure, I think the album's
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Speaker 6: called 3AM. It's Matchbox 20 from back in the day.
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Speaker 6: I still listen to them in the car now and again.
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Speaker 6: Very good. There's your three recommendations. Thanks again for coming in, guys.
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Speaker 6: Wishes all the best with the new brand. And we
34:50
Speaker 6: might even get ourselves a wee... Ah, you'll get yourself
34:52
Speaker 6: a few days.
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Speaker 3: Top men, thanks again.
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Speaker 1: Cheers.
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Speaker 7: Cheers.