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Talking Hobby Fatigue w/ Baseball Collector⁩ Mike Moynihan! · Sports Card Clubhouse

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Hey everybody, it is the Mike and Mike show today.
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Normally this is this week in sports cards, but not much
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happened in sports cards this week.
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And when that happens, I like to bring on the big brains to talk
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about interesting topics. And today I didn't find any big
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brains, so I got Mike Moynihan here.
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Baseball collector. Mike, how are you?
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That's accurate, Mike. I appreciate that and thank you.
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I want to say thank you. You did your video on your You 2
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Sports Card Hall of Fame ballot and you were very complimentary
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of me. I appreciate that.
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Oh, well, I mean it. I, you are you and Chris, Chris
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from Missouri have this very unique way about you that people
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want to listen to everything you say.
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And so it's great to have you here today because we're going
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to talk about an interesting topic that you proposed.
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Why don't you? Why don't you talk about it a
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little bit? Well, you mentioned there's no
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hobby drama this week, and I think there's a whole bunch of
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different ways that this hobby can fatigue us, right?
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And that's it. I'll use that generic term of
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hobby fatigue for all kinds of different ways that we can just
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go. You know what, I need to take a
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step back. I need to chill for a minute.
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Whether it's money, grading, hobby, drama, buying car, you
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know, we're going to go through a lot of this.
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I hope and discuss it and hopefully you guys can resonate
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with some of it because you're not weird if you feel that way.
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I guess that's what I want to say.
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It's normal, right? Absolutely.
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And we should clarify, first of all, there there's always a
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little bit of hobby drama. Like this week Ken Golden said
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some really stupid stuff. The The Pikachu Illustrator sold
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for $16,000,000. And these are things I just
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don't care about. I don't want to talk about them.
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And this is my podcast, so I'm just not going to talk about
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things I don't care about. So that's why I'd rather have
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Mike on to talk to him. So, yeah.
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But we can all relate to your topic, Mike.
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I think we all have it. I mentioned it a little bit
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yesterday in my video about when I say yesterday, this will air
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on Monday and it was on my Thursday video of sometimes I
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just want to shut my channel down.
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I think this is so frustrating. And that's part of what you
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wanted to talk about. Well, yeah, you can get, I think
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there's YouTube fatigue. I mean, there's a reason that
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people end up not continuing a channel, for example.
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They'll start one, come out like gangbusters, do all these
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videos, and I think a lot of people start their channel and
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burn really hot for a short period of time.
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They burn out and they end up leaving.
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That happens a lot. It's happened a lot over my
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time, you know. And that's just a small subset
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of hobby fatigue that, that you wanted to talk about.
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So let's talk a little bit about YouTube fatigue and not just
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having a channel, but also watching YouTube videos.
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I've, I've largely taken a break from a lot of YouTube over the
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last two. I don't know, two months or so.
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Does does that ever happened to you?
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I know you're a big YouTube guy. Yes, of course it does.
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I get fatigued with it because it's hard to be creative.
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You want to see something different, you want to see
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something new and you know, you watch a card show video and guys
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are showing, you know 50s, you know golden era tables with
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showcases and seen it 100 times, you know seen it 1000 times.
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And so the the problem with YouTube is if you're, the longer
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you do it, the more everything becomes redundant, the more
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everything becomes essentially a replay of something you've
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already seen and you know, you want to discover stuff.
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You, I think there's a desire, innate desire to find something
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new, to find something that's done a little bit different.
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Like I watched Dawn Field of Dreams YouTube ballot and I
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loved it because it was different.
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You know, I don't know if you've seen it yet.
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It was fantastic. Just I I just I don't want to
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watch another video and I bet people feel that way watching my
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videos. Truthfully.
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No, I'm serious. Oh, there's another five star
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auto or there's another. You know, I don't know, it's
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just I I could see that and that doesn't mean I'm going to change
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how I do my channel. It just means that I would
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understand if someone said, yeah, I'm going to take a break
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from Mike for a little bit. You know, that would not
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surprise me nor upset me. I would totally understand.
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Yeah. And you say, you mentioned that
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you hear, you've heard the same things a million times from
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various creators. And sometimes we ourselves, you,
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me, other creators say the same things repeatedly.
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And people hear the same things from us over and over and over
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again. And that's got to be fatiguing
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too. And not just, but not just a
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round of various channels, but if you watch every single one of
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my videos, you're going to hear me say the same things, and I'm
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sure the same thing with you. And if you, if there's a piece
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of hobby drama, pick your thing, right?
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It gets plastered over everyone's channel and I just
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go, Yep, I don't want to watch another video about that.
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What even if I like the creator? You know, it's like this is the
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14th video on XYZ problem in the hobby.
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No thanks. You know I'll skip that.
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Yeah, Neo talks about the benefit of being first on
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something like that. And, and there's legitimate
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benefits because you're the first person that people are
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going to see talk about it. YouTube will carry yours for a
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while. And the the benefit is there
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that nobody's already seen that so far.
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So they are like, oh, this is interesting.
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So some sort of big hobby drama that happens.
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Now I don't have the time anymore to get out the big
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videos quickly and so I try to wait and see what happens.
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And then is there an interesting angle that I can take on this?
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And if not, then I just don't cover it except like a quick
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blurb during my Sunday clearing the bases episode.
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Another place where the being first is helpful is I try to and
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have for years. I want to be the first to put
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out a national video, one of the first right.
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And so I've had the blessing of being able to get in super early
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every year and I want to show the floor.
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I want to show the set up. I want to show all the stuff and
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be the first one to do that. And those view those videos get
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a tremendous amount of traction because people are going the
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especially the ones that can't be there and, and honestly, even
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the ones that can, but they're not coming till say I'm in there
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on Wednesday showing Wednesday morning, showing all the stuff.
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They're not going to be there till Thursday, Friday.
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They're like, oh, let me check it out and see what it's going
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to be, you know, So there's some benefit to that too, being first
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or early. Yeah, you mentioned the
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National. That's a good segue to card show
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fatigue too. And you know, I think that
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during the early, mid stages of the pandemic, let's say early
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2021 into 2022, there was a lot of a lot of appetite for card
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show videos. And you saw those get 10s of
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thousands of views sometimes. Now they don't so much because
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everybody can go to a card show, almost not don't comment saying
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I can't go to when I live 1000 miles from a card show.
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But so many people, there's so many card shows now and almost
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everybody can get to a card show.
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And is there card show fatigue not just in viewing them but
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also going to them? Yes, if I went to a card show
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every week or every couple weeks, OK.
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And because I want something to be special, I want something to
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be different. I've I've that's kind of a
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theme, right? Special and different are things
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that keep the hobby fresh, things that keep the hobby
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feeling like it's not a drag. And the Dallas show, for
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example, I have one of the biggest card shows in the
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country in my backyard, so to speak.
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I go once or twice a year maybe. How many times does I have it?
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6 * a year, it's every other month and then there's Dallas
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card show offshoots in the Metroplex every month.
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So you could go to a card show every three to four weeks, A big
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one. And what I would tell people
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say, oh, I had that. I'd go every month.
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Or what would you like? I, I would, I would challenge
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you and say you might for a little bit.
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And then you'd be like, OK, I've seen that that because be
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honestly, when I go to the Dallas show, it's not that
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different from the last one, even if it was a year ago.
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And card shows to me have always been one of those super fun
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things. Like for me now I want to fly to
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the Philly show. I want to go, I went to the net
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54 gathering in DC in Dulles. I want to do things.
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I want to have different card show experiences.
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I don't want the same old card show experience.
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I want to do something different and to traveling to shows, which
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then adds a layer of expense. You know, if, if I'm going to
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travel to a show, I'm not just going to go for a day like I
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could at the Dallas show, for example, I want to go for three
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or four days. Well, then you're committing
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time and you know, it's it changes the dynamic of it, but
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it makes it OK. I'm not going to do that every
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month or every time there is one.
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I'm going to go only when like I'm looking to go to the
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September Philly show, for example, but I have, but then
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that adds the aspect of it takes away the fatigue because I'm not
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feeling like I have to go all the time.
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And it creates something out in the future that I can anticipate
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and look forward to. And I think that's a key to
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hobby happiness is dude, that's it.
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We could, you could do a video on keys to hobby happiness.
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You should do that. Put that in your Rolodex.
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But. More people will watch yours.
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You have more Subs, so that is a good video topic.
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It is. It's a hobby.
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Yeah. OK, I'm going to put that.
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You should do it. Yeah.
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So I don't want this to be seen as like criticism of the Dallas
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Card show or the Portland ME Card show, cause the Portland ME
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Card Show is very well organized and done.
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But I used to go, they have it every single month.
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And I used to go, I don't know, 8 or 9 * a year in 2020, 123 and
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probably 2024, but it gets to a point where it's the same
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dealers every month. And do I, do I really want to go
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every single month? And the answer is no.
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I've gotten fatigued of that card show.
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And you know, the, the, the national even is an amazing,
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amazing event. And it's almost to the point now
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where I'm only going to hang out with friends, people that I've
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met in the hobby that I want to see and go to events like the
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YouTube card together that you YouTube get together that you
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put on. It's just like they're the how
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many cards am I going to buy one or two?
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Is that worth the thousands of dollars I'm going to spend?
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No, but the the going to see friends is.
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Yeah, it yeah, this isn't a knock on card shows.
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I want them to do as many card shows as they want to do because
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there's somebody that, you know, if they only did it once a year,
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look, I mean look at Strongsville once a year, right,
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as a kind of regional show, right.
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It's kind of specialty show. If they had Strongsville at
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Strongsville type show every other month or four or five,
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four times a year, whatever, right.
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A It wouldn't be a special, but there are people that could only
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go. They can't go in April when it's
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happening. They could go another time of
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the year potentially. And so having a Dallas show, for
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example, that often and other shows just gives the hobby
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meaning collectors and other people in the hobby, more
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opportunities. I think the more opportunities
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there are, the better. That just doesn't mean I have to
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participate, right? Yeah, absolutely.
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Is that a paradox? Is that weird?
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No, I think it makes perfect sense.
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The Shriner show in outside of Boston is similar.
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I think there's two a year and one of them is must attend.
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It's in November and there's nothing for me.
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You go to the National in late July and then there's nothing
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until three months later, end of October, early November, but the
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Shriners snapping at the dog. Yes, my dogs, Norman and Claire
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have both decided to to bark. There's somebody here at the
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house. Sorry, yeah, no, that's OK.
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There's I I totally get the the card show fatigue.
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What about surfing eBay for cards to get fatigued in that?
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Yes. Wow that's a good one.
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I didn't even think of that one. It's good.
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The hunt for card fatigue it Yeah, one of the joys for me.
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This is a key to hobby happiness.
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I better not ruin all this next video that I'm going to do.
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But having a lot of different projects.
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If you only had one thing. Right.
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I would think that would get very boring very fast.
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And I know people. Did we lose Mike or did we lose
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me? I can't tell.
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It looks like I'm still going. I'm going to remove Mike for a
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moment until I see him again. Is he still?
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Is he still there? Am I still here?
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I don't know. It's this weird existential
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crisis I'm having right now. Is there?
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He is. Did Norman knock your phone
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over? He did.
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I apologize my bad dude, I don't know where I went.
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That's OK. OK, actually I got a call and it
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just totally interrupted everything.
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Where are we at? EBay fatigue, right?
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I think I, I think I dropped an F1 there when that happened
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because I thought it was me having the issue and not you
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because. No, it was me.
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It was all me. Here's here, Norman Norman
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parent most famous dog on YouTube Sports Group.
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So if you only do that one thing, I'm not knocking player
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collectors. I don't know what I told you
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earlier, but to me having so many different projects, I can
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zig and zag and it and it kind of never gets boring because I
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can go. You know what?
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I'm not going to look for five stars right now.
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I'm going to look for red hearts that I need or 50 Bowman's.
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But but where I'm getting in my collecting journey is my list is
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only it sounds like a lot, but 150 cards and all of them are
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saved figured out as safe searches.
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So it kind of and now I've got the safe searches on auction
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wire, which makes it where I'm searching more than just eBay,
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right, All the auction houses and that they are affiliated
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with plug to auction wire. And no, it's a good, it's a
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great service because it's doing the work for me, right.
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And therefore, I don't, I could. If something's going to come up,
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it's going to show up. And I'm not sweating.
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Oh, what if I missed something or that, you know, 'cause the
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thing I've learned invariably is by and large, these cards are
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all readily. It's not like it's hard to find
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most of them. Certainly there are exceptions
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to that, but. Storming Norman.
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Dude, I don't even know what they're parking about.
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So yes, you can get hobby fatigue that way, right?
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If you're only only buying stupid stuff like Boston Red Sox
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refractors. I mean, who would do that?
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And you know, I never, literally never get eBay fatigue or
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searching for card fatigue. But there are times where I'll
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go 2 weeks without even looking for a card.
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But then I'll have an urge and I'll be like, oh, I got to find
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this card or I'll see a card and I think I got to go look and
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that will reignite things in me. But I never feel like I can't
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stand looking up cards right now.
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You know, it's interesting because the the dynamic of eBay
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and especially auctions. Let's take eBay first.
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Usually an auction if if it's an auction, it's a week long,
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right? Right now's are obviously in
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perpetuity, but you've got and so truly, if you if you just
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look every five days, you're probably not going to miss much,
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right, because you don't have to look every day.
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And then auction houses are an even longer wait time right
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between an inception and and ending of the auction.
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So you've got people think, oh, I got it.
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I don't want to miss something, right?
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There's this FOMO thing and I've never had that because I
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realized how it works and I don't, you know, I don't have to
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look every single day, right? Well, yeah, I mean, I, I I get
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the FOMO and also like when a when a semi rare card comes up.
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So right now I'm I'm watching. 4.
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Big cards on eBay that I want and they're not, none of them
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are rare, but they're all population of under 2 or 300.
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And so when they come up for sale, I, I'm, I'm like, oh, I've
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got to have this one. And so there is, there's
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definitely some FOMO. There sure, but yeah, you're
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right. And especially if you have
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different projects, getting tired of searching each search
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for one. OK, today I'm going to look for
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these, right? And tomorrow I'll look for
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these. If, if you feel like you have to
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every day. And I think the the key to hop
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or another key to hobby happiness is admitting it's OK
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to take a break from whatever aspect you're fatigued with that
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it's OK. Like there's nothing wrong.
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I had months, almost six months, I think, where I didn't do a
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podcast, Golden age of Cardboard podcast.
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I found that I wasn't really missing it as much as I thought
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I would. But then I thought, I have some
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things I want to talk about. So then I did it again.
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You know what I mean? I didn't, I didn't put one out
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this week because I didn't really have anything burning in
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my mind to talk about. So I'm not going to do stuff
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just to do stuff. I'm not just going to go to a
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show just to go to a show. I'm not just because I feel like
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I need to be engaged in the hobby.
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The hobby's always there for us, right?
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It's not going anywhere. It'll be there if you need to
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take a break. I'm going to probably take a
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extended time off to move, you know, once the house is done
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here and probably not do a whole lot of anything.
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And because I'm going to be focused on something else in our
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lives, whether it's you got a kid getting married or you're
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getting married or, you know, job transition, there's a whole
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lot of life circumstances that could create a gap in your hobby
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experience. And there's nothing wrong with
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that. I don't know why I hope people
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would say, well, of course Mike, like that should be the of
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course you shouldn't feel guilty about, you know, doing life
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above and beyond cards is a hobby.
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Not unless of course, you're making a living doing the hobby,
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but then it's not a hobby. Then you're in the industry
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part, right, which is very different.
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So I couldn't imagine setting up at a card show every every
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weekend like you never have a weekend.
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Yeah, yeah, I, I did like 5 videos a week for several years
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and I, I did it through the summer and felt like last year I
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was like, you know what? Last summer I, I, I should have
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been getting out and, and walking with my wife more often.
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So I decided in the summer times I want to cut way back to maybe
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2 videos a week instead of the four or five during the summer.
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Spend more time outside doing stuff, doing all the things that
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I should have been doing. And I'm going to do that again
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this year. And so it's almost like a season
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where from September to May I, I do YouTube heavily because I
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love that I'm not an outdoor winter kind of guy.
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I'm not a winter kind of guy. But in the springtime, cut it
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way back and then come back in, I don't know, late September or
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so. And so I have that four months
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to rejuvenate myself. You know, we have lots of houses
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for sale in Texas. We're we don't have to worry
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about winter as much. You'll never have to shove.
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You'll never have to shovel again.
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Ever. Yeah, I, I don't really do a
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whole lot of shoveling. Snow blowing, that's where.
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It's or that you don't have to do that either.
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Yeah, and you've probably never even heard of raking the roof,
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which is another thing I have to do every storm.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Yeah, it makes sense though. You got to get all the
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accumulated snow off or else. Not all of it, just the just
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over the eaves where the snow turns into an ice dam and
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prevents melting snow on the top from melting down and then it
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gets under your shingles and it leaks into your house.
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Sounds like a problem I never have to face.
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That's right. I'll send you a I'll send you a
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picture of my house and you'll see it's just the front 3 feet.
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The snow is gone and then the rest of it is still there.
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Why don't? Why aren't there more metal
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roofs there for that? It's very expensive.
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I just got a new roof. It cost me $15,000 and a metal
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roof. I got 2 quotes one was for the
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lowest was for 25,000 from the same company that offered the
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the roof. I got shingle roof for 15,000.
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Gotcha, well I just did a metal roof so no more cards for me
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apparently. OK let me ask you this, is there
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a fatigue? I I think there's even topics
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that are just fatiguing. I think talking about grading
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right can be fatiguing because, you know, I've decided to change
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SG CS name Nat Nat Turner called me and said, Hey, Mike, I want
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you to change my change that company's name because it's
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we're not calling him. Whatever they are, it's now soon
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to be gone. Company is now is SG CS new
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moniker and Nat asked me to use that publicly going forward so.
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Perfect. Yeah.
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You know the yeah, there is. I, I get the comments all the
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time on my Sunday video. And I've had to start off my
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video lately by saying this is this is not the hobby.
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This is industry stuff. Do not let this get your hobby
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down because there are a lot of people are saying, wow, I can't
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believe PSA is doing this to us. But you don't have to
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participate. You don't have to do this stuff.
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I'm interested in it because I'm a, I'm a business guy.
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I like this stuff, I like the industry, but it doesn't really
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affect me that much. And I try not to let me get it
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down, let it get me down. And people find that take which
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I, I, I stole your idea and, and used it as well in discussing
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any hobby topic with people, because I think it's a very wise
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perspective. First time you've ever been
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called wise on your own show. But it's true.
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It's and people can't believe that.
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Why won't you? You know, why doesn't it bother
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you? Why?
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Because it's, if I let all the crap in the hobby bother me, I
25:03
wouldn't be in the hobby. And that's the problem is it
25:06
drives people out. It makes them go, I'm done, I'm
25:09
out. And I'm like, why would you let
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a company who you have no control over determine your
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hobby happy? That's another key to hobby
25:17
happiness. Don't let all the crap get to
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you. That's a you problem, not a
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hobby problem. Yes, yes, exactly.
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Well said. What other types of fatigue do
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we have in the hobby? I got fatigued putting 65,000
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cards in a binder that was fatiguing.
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All in one day. Not quite.
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Julie did one set and she thought she was like, my gosh,
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how do you do that? I did 115 sets, you know, like,
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honey, keep trying, keep going. Got a few more.
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Yeah, No, if that's a there was a purpose to that and the end
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result is going to be awesome. But what other kinds of fatigue
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are there? I don't know.
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What do you think, Mike? Well, I think that the industry
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for T1 is pretty big for a lot of people.
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I think it chases a lot of people out when, when they see
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all the mistakes that Fanatics makes and the the print runs and
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the, the way that PSA is treating customers and raising
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prices and manipulating things that they say and buying up
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every company. I think that that has a big
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impact on collectors that it really shouldn't.
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You shouldn't let it impact you. But also how about the, the
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price increases of the last five years or so, Not only of wax
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because the prices have skyrocketed in the last five
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years, but also just of cards and general singles.
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You're buying singles and yes, it's great because my collection
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has gone up in value, but it also is much harder to buy the
27:02
cards that I want. I have a extremely recent
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example of that. I just finished the 2025 TOPS
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Five Star Hall of Fame run. And in previous years from 2012
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to 2024, I was spending, I actually know the number, it was
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about $115 per card on average. And that's not true, sorry.
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About 60 bucks per card on average, which seems reasonable
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right now. This year it was about $115 per
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card. That's where the 115 is.
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I got my time. So it's Dang near double.
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And it's because fanatics decided to make five star a
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much, much higher end product, more in the definitive and kind
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of transcendent, not quite transcendent, but those types
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of, you know, high end product and therefore not it.
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It's the same for this is what's really funny.
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So pick your random Hall of Famer Johnny Bench or somebody,
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he's in 2025, he's in 2024 or whatever, 60 bucks before 2, you
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know, $200 now just because of the product that it's in.
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And it, it so because the card price per card on that product
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is higher, people are demanding more money because they want to
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try to recoup some of the cost of the boxes cases or whatever
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they're buying. And so there's a I'm like, I, I,
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I'm genuinely thinking, is this the last year I do five star?
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If it's going to be that expensive on a per card basis
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and it's not even can I afford it?
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Yes. Do I want to?
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Maybe not. You know, are there other
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things? Again, we all have to choose
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with our dollars, right? I don't.
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There's only so many hobby dollars, no matter how rich you
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are. It might have more zeros in
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front of it, but I I can't just spend whatever I want on cards.
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Right. And do they ever auction those
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or is it just buy it now? No, it's even in the auctions
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though Mike, I was finding the cards were going for
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significantly more money. In fact, I bought almost all of
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them via auction. OK.
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Which to me is the greatest form of capitalism.
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You want to find out what a card's worth?
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Put it on an auction. I just put a bunch of cards on
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COMC at auction and some of them some some slabs SGC 10s went for
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like $3 and I knew they would go low and I was thinking more like
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10 but that's OK. Yeah, so it's it's making me
29:52
even rethink the direction I want my hobby to go in the
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future because of pricing. So there's some fatigue of that.
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A card I really want is the 41 play ball Joe DiMaggio.
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And the regret is I could have bought that card, let's say PSA
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three. I could have bought that a few
30:14
years ago, just a few years ago, not even that long ago for 1000
30:20
bucks, 1200 bucks. Now that card in the three is
30:23
2500 to 3000, right? And it's like, yeah, you know,
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So it's there's some fatigue to that too.
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As much as everybody wants cards to go up in perpetuity.
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I'm more of the, hey, can it can it go back down a little bit?
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Because I'm still a collector accumulator.
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I'd rather pay less. I don't want to.
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I would like my collection to stay high and all the cards I
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don't have go down. That sounds like people as a
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financial planner, you know, all my clients, they only want it to
31:03
go up on the but they never want it to go down right.
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And I'm like, well, it doesn't work that way.
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And or they're like, Hey, I only want it.
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I only want to be in the market when things are good and then
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when things are bad, Get Me Out of the market.
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I'm like, yeah, that that's how that works.
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They want me to be able to tell them when that is right and
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that's not in the job. I tried timing the market in
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2020 and it ended very, very poorly for me.
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Right. Well, that's a good lesson.
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Don't do that. OK?
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I'm trying to think, is there any?
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I think we've covered a good range.
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I think a lot of people will be able to, you know, resonate with
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something that we said here on this video.
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Yeah, and I would love to hear other other people's thoughts on
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hobby fatigue. What fatigues you other than me
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and Mike, which obviously we're very fatiguing, but yeah, what
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topics, what events, what is it out there that is fatiguing to
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you? Even if we covered it, Love to
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hear it. Let us know in the comments.
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Any final thoughts, Mike? Thank you for having me.
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I'm I'm fatigued over this conversation.
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I'm going to go take a nap, but no this.
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32:39
Thanks, Mike. Appreciate you coming on.
32:41
You bet, my friend. We'll talk to you later.