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Fictional Women Around the World: Ahsoka Tano · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha, and welcome to Stepman
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  Speaker 1: Never told you Protection if I heart Radio, And welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another sub sub segment of fictional women around the world,
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  Speaker 1: and further sub segment around the Galaxy, and further sub
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  Speaker 1: segment Star Wars specifically. Um and yes, there were two
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  Speaker 1: this month because it's a big Star Wars month. As
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  Speaker 1: this comes out, is the eve of the anniversary of
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  Speaker 1: a New Hope forty five years I believe. And I
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  Speaker 1: actually bought Samantha. I bought a magazine. I was checking
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  Speaker 1: out I want to go get groceries today and there
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  Speaker 1: was a magazine that was all about Star Wars. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, okay, well I'm buying this immediately had to,
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  Speaker 1: didn't you. Yeah I did. It was embarrassing because I
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  Speaker 1: was like wearing a Star Wars shirt and I had
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  Speaker 1: my Stars mask. That was like, I hope purchased Sister
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  Speaker 1: Wars magazine. Please, that's not right. Yeah it is, it is,
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  Speaker 1: uh and yes, Canobi the show will be one. Kenobi
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  Speaker 1: is either out or it comes out, So this is
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  Speaker 1: a little early if you're listening to it right when
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  Speaker 1: a Soca Tanno as we've longed to used, and some
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  Speaker 1: of you have written in about so here it is
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  Speaker 1: really prepared. Yes, And as with these Star Wars ones,
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  Speaker 1: just because I felt like it was sort of i
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  Speaker 1: don't know, not great of me to throw Samantha under
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  Speaker 1: the bush and make her talk about something when I
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  Speaker 1: was the one that really wanted to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to run through this and if you have
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  Speaker 1: any questions, just let me know, all right. So Asokatano
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  Speaker 1: is a force sensitive Tortuga woman who was the one
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  Speaker 1: time Jedi padawan to Anakin Skywalker a k a. Darth Vader.
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  Speaker 1: She's a dual lightsaber user. She has two white lightsabers,
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  Speaker 1: which is actually interesting we're gonna talk about in the minute,
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  Speaker 1: but she also uses reverse grip uh and the headdress
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  Speaker 1: she wears denotes the skills that she has. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a warrior, you have to do that, you
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  Speaker 1: have to earn that through being a warrior. Many call
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  Speaker 1: her a gray Jedi as and she's not like total
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  Speaker 1: light user, not a dark user, but kind of a
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  Speaker 1: gray in between. She was first introduced in the animated
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  Speaker 1: show Star Wars The Clone Wars, which first debuted in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and takes place between the films
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  Speaker 1: Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sithe and
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  Speaker 1: shortly after. She was sort of famously a really hated
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  Speaker 1: character at first. She went from somebody everyone hated to
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  Speaker 1: a character that was beloved by fans. You can find
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  Speaker 1: whole YouTube videos about it, essays about how it happened,
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  Speaker 1: and you you know, I recommended if you're at all interested,
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  Speaker 1: but there is a lot of information out there about
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  Speaker 1: how that happened. Rosario Dawson plays her in a live
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  Speaker 1: action Star Wars media, including the Mandalorian book fet and yes,
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  Speaker 1: the upcoming show Ah Soca. She has also featured in E. K.
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  Speaker 1: Johnson's book Star Wars Asoka creator and writer Dave Filoni
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  Speaker 1: and George Lucas wanted a prominent female Jedi to appeal
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  Speaker 1: to girls, and that was where kind of the impetus
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  Speaker 1: for a Soca, And yeah, it just kind of made
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  Speaker 1: big headlines that they're filming Asoca right now. They just
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  Speaker 1: started filming interesting stuff about the name. George Lucas originally
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  Speaker 1: wanted the name to be Ashla, which he describes as
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  Speaker 1: the light side of the force. However, they pivoted to Asca,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps after Asoka the Great, who was an emperor of
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  Speaker 1: India during the third century BC, who legend has it,
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  Speaker 1: personally decapitated five hundred of his ministers, burned five hundred
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  Speaker 1: concubines alive, and built a torture chamber called Asoka's Hell
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  Speaker 1: that people allegedly said was so sadistic Asoka personally went
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  Speaker 1: to hell to learn how to make it. Asoka started
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  Speaker 1: a war that resulted in one hundred thousand casualties, and
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  Speaker 1: the violence reached such a level that Asoka converted to Buddhism,
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  Speaker 1: notably the inspiration for jeddaism Um. Asoka became known as Asoka.
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  Speaker 1: The Righteous. People think the overall influence of this figure
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  Speaker 1: in the story is is as someone who witnessed evil
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  Speaker 1: and turned away from more, which is kind of what happens.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently Georgiocas really lobbied for ros Dawson to play
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  Speaker 1: he really wanted her to play it, and also allegedly
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  Speaker 1: her first design was high held boots and a pleaded skirt,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm glad that kind of in a different way
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  Speaker 1: it could have worked. But yeah, but why exactly? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like the direction they went so to get into
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  Speaker 1: the history. By the age of three, Asoka started showing
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  Speaker 1: signs of force sensitivity. Jedi Master plow Kun was sent
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  Speaker 1: to investigate, though he was intercepted by an impostor who
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  Speaker 1: almost enslaved Asoka, but Plokon arrived in time and took
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  Speaker 1: her to the Jedi Temple and Courissant for training. Um.
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  Speaker 1: At the onset of the Clone Wars, Grandmaster Yoda assigned
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  Speaker 1: her to be Anakin, Skywalker's padawan, who definitely he definitely
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to pad one and tried to pass her
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  Speaker 1: off to Obi one I do take here. Anakin called
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  Speaker 1: her snips, an acknowledgement that she is a lot like him.
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  Speaker 1: Um And by the way, Yoda hoped mentoring Asoka would
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  Speaker 1: mellow Anakin out and no, nope, it did not. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Their relationships started off a bit rocky. Asoka was eager
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  Speaker 1: to prove herself like Anakin was reckless, but over time,
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  Speaker 1: they came to work really well together and they really
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  Speaker 1: respected each other. On top of that, she earned the
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  Speaker 1: title of Commander and the Grand Army of the Republic,
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  Speaker 1: and through that the respect of the Clone Army, and
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  Speaker 1: for ticular that of Captain Rex at the First, the
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  Speaker 1: five O first, who became something of a mentor to her. Um.
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  Speaker 1: She disobeyed orders in her first assignment as leader and
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  Speaker 1: lost an entire squadron of pilots, but she rebounded from
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  Speaker 1: this loss and was keen winning the Battle of ryl Off.
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  Speaker 1: I love that some of this is just like washing over.
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  Speaker 1: People said, what, Um, it's all a thing. Don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about it. You get the basic premise. Yeah. As a
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  Speaker 1: battle one, she dealt with the Sith Apprentice, adventurous bounty
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  Speaker 1: hunters like Cabbane, and at one point died but was
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  Speaker 1: brought back to life by the personification of the Light
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  Speaker 1: Side of the Force, who sacrificed herself to save Asoka.
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  Speaker 1: And that episode was like very strange, but essentially that
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  Speaker 1: was not good for what is to come. Um. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: she helped train Sawguerrera and his sister worked with Chewbacca
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  Speaker 1: to escape a planet where people are hunted for sport
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  Speaker 1: and helped some jett A young things escape from their captors. However,
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  Speaker 1: she was framed for a bombing at the Jedi Temple
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  Speaker 1: Hangar and for a few murders on top of that.
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  Speaker 1: She managed to escape into the underworld of Courissant and
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  Speaker 1: partners with interest to clear her slash their names. Eventually,
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  Speaker 1: Asoka was detained and banished from the Jedi Order. Anakin,
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  Speaker 1: with the help of Padmey, who was a good friend
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  Speaker 1: of asokas was determined to prove her innocence uh and
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  Speaker 1: he uncovered the true culprit was Padawan barriss Offie, a
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  Speaker 1: friend of Asoka's, and fan fiction tells me they were
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  Speaker 1: in love. But anyway, um through this, Asoka was not convicted,
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  Speaker 1: and Asoka was invited by the Jedi High Council to
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  Speaker 1: rejoin the Order, but she refused because she was hurt
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  Speaker 1: and disillusioned. Anakin begs her to stay, but she walks
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  Speaker 1: the way down the steps of the Jedi Temple and
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  Speaker 1: You're like no, because he's even more isolated. Oh gosh uh.
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  Speaker 1: And you do see an interesting perspective from her time,
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  Speaker 1: as she's an outcast hearing about people's feelings on the
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  Speaker 1: war a Jedi Charisson, etcetera. Feel like she might have
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  Speaker 1: died had she stayed. Oh yeah, I mean, well he
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  Speaker 1: killed everyone well, and then it's so tragic because he
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  Speaker 1: made her a promise and he said, I will never
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  Speaker 1: let anyone hurt you, and you're like, oh no, lies,
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  Speaker 1: it's very sad. It's very sad. She did briefly come
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  Speaker 1: back to work with the Republic. On the siege of Mandalori.
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  Speaker 1: She asked for the help of Anakin and Obi went
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  Speaker 1: after a tense reunion, but they were on their way
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  Speaker 1: to save Chancellor Palpatine, who had been kid napped. They
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  Speaker 1: sent a battalion of some Clones with her instead, and
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  Speaker 1: she faced off with Darth Maul, who was in possession
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  Speaker 1: of the Dark Sabor and the rule of Mandalora, and
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  Speaker 1: she bested and captured him. Shortly after this, though, Order
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  Speaker 1: sixty six was enacted, which is when the Clones turned
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  Speaker 1: on all the Jedi because of chips in their heads.
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  Speaker 1: Um and so Asoka, who was really good friends with
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  Speaker 1: most of the Clones in her battalion, was attacked by them.
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  Speaker 1: She is able to free Rex from the chip control
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  Speaker 1: at least Mall directs the ship they're on to crash,
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  Speaker 1: and Asoka erects grave markers for the fallen clones, leaving
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  Speaker 1: her lightsabers behind so it looks like she had died too,
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  Speaker 1: and then goes into hiding. Darth Vader finds this space
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  Speaker 1: of her supposed death and stares at it and it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, But then we moved into the
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  Speaker 1: next phase of her her time in her life, with
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  Speaker 1: the rise of the Empire, Asoka proved instrumental and organizing
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  Speaker 1: rebel cells. She joined Bill Organa's burgeoning movement against the Empire,
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  Speaker 1: and as part of this she rose up to manage
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  Speaker 1: the intelligence network under the code name Fulcrum. She provided
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  Speaker 1: information to the rebels, including Harris and Dula, and the
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  Speaker 1: Ghost Crew, who she took a particular interest in due
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  Speaker 1: to Jeddak kanan Jaris and his padawan Ezra Bridger. She
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  Speaker 1: also briefly crossed past with Leiah or Ghana. She reunited
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  Speaker 1: with Rex and confronted Imperial inquisitors and Darth Vader, who
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  Speaker 1: unbeknownst to her was Anakin skywalker. During her duel with
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  Speaker 1: him on Malikor, she was believed to have died but
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  Speaker 1: in a plot line that may have broken the Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars universe, and I'm pretty sure Slash Terrified is going
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  Speaker 1: to come back. Perhaps in this OLLI one show, she
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  Speaker 1: was saved from death by an Azure bridger from the future. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so in the so called world between worlds, she confronted
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  Speaker 1: darcidious Emperor Palpatine, who wanted to control this dimension, and
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  Speaker 1: returned to her time and promised Azra she find him
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  Speaker 1: in the future. I don't think about it too hardy
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  Speaker 1: hurt you brain, I promise. Once the Galactic Civil War
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  Speaker 1: came to an end, she joined up with Sabine Wren,
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  Speaker 1: who we just an episode on to find Asra. To
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  Speaker 1: that end, we see her in The Mandalorian, the show,
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  Speaker 1: which was an episode that almost crashed Disney Plus by
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  Speaker 1: the way. She is searching for information on Grand Annmiral Frown,
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  Speaker 1: who Azra disappeared with and who was one of the
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  Speaker 1: main villains of the Legends universe, and now I guess
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  Speaker 1: also the Disney canon whatever. H She worked alongside the
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian Den de Jarin and refused to train Baby Yota
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  Speaker 1: Slash Gogu due to his attachment to Din in the
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  Speaker 1: Darkness she sent within him. Later, she visited Luke Skywalker's
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  Speaker 1: Jedi Temple and book Baba Fette, and once again warned
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  Speaker 1: Dan about the dangers of attachment and the difference between
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian Foundlings and Jedi Padawans, which is interesting because she'd
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  Speaker 1: it was a lot about both. And don't even talk
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  Speaker 1: to me about how they introduced Lukanasoka off screen, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm still saltyes hell about it. I'm so, did you
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  Speaker 1: explain that to me? Because I feel like you did
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  Speaker 1: explain that to me? What that they met off screen? No, No,
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  Speaker 1: they just were like, oh, I guess we know each
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  Speaker 1: other now, that's what you were saying. They don't have
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  Speaker 1: a plot line. They just sit moving on with it. Okay. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't like, oh maybe I've been I'm so mad
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  Speaker 1: about it. I was like waiting for this and then
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  Speaker 1: I never thought it would happen, and then for it
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  Speaker 1: happened like that. No. Did you see the recent picture though,
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  Speaker 1: of Block Hamill grow Goo the stand in Rosario Dawson.
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  Speaker 1: I did not see it, Like my heart was broken.
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  Speaker 1: I do think like if if this episode, if I
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  Speaker 1: wanted it to go on and on, I would talk
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  Speaker 1: like I would talk about the trauma here her probably
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  Speaker 1: seeing what happened to Anakin and Darth Vader and being
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  Speaker 1: so like, no dutchments isn't not good, very bad. She
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  Speaker 1: did also join several Jedi voices in Rise of Skywalker,
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  Speaker 1: and Ray reached out to them in her battle against Palpatine,
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  Speaker 1: which suggests she is dead by this point because their
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  Speaker 1: Force ghost. However, creator Dave Filoni Tea is that this
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  Speaker 1: is not the case, and I that's a heavy side
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  Speaker 1: from me because I'm so tired of them killing out
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  Speaker 1: somebody and then bringing them back stopped. Um. Anyway, who
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  Speaker 1: she is a really interesting character, and I like, uh
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  Speaker 1: in Colmore, she kind of she did become the focus
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  Speaker 1: and like Anakin was the side character, and so I
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  Speaker 1: thought that was an interesting way to do it because
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  Speaker 1: you as the viewer, know what's going on with him
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  Speaker 1: and all the stuff, and like their final conversation is
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  Speaker 1: pretty beat, or at least one of their final conversations,
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  Speaker 1: not the last one, but you see it through her eyes.
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  Speaker 1: And then to have I've seen things that kind of
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  Speaker 1: bothered me about how like if only she hadn't left,
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  Speaker 1: they do that with pad Me two, if only she
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  Speaker 1: hadn't done this, he wouldn't have turned. He still did it, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I get it, but it's not up to her to
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  Speaker 1: keep him from doing what. She was his student, That's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. He's like, I don't know if anything would
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  Speaker 1: have changed. I know that this is a build up
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  Speaker 1: of things, but he also had someone like digging into
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  Speaker 1: his brain right right, and then there were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of failures in the system and with other characters. But
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  Speaker 1: it's not like her walking away because she felt betrayed
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  Speaker 1: is like, ah, well, it's her fault. No, I'm also
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  Speaker 1: kind of I'm intrigued, But they're going to do with
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  Speaker 1: the show because they feel like her live action version
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  Speaker 1: and her kind of cartoon animated version don't necessarily match,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of years in between that. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe they'll explain why she's She seems to be a
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  Speaker 1: bit I mean, it could just be Darth Vader, but
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  Speaker 1: she seems to be a lot more like cynical, uh
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  Speaker 1: and darker. She still has kind of a lightness to her,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll be curious to see how that goes. Well, gosh,
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  Speaker 1: now I just want to talk about this trauma so much.
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  Speaker 1: But all right, this is it for now. Yes, well,
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  Speaker 1: I hope that you enjoyed this. I hope it was
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  Speaker 1: informative if you're interested in this character who has become
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  Speaker 1: very beloved. And yeah, I hope that you enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 1: Will Will. I'm sure we'll revisit it in the future.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, thanks as always for letting me have
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  Speaker 1: this space to just nerd out um and if you
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  Speaker 1: have any suggestions for future fictional when in we would
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