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Talks to gorgeous Si Hart & Frazer Gregory about their choice of The Seeds of Death (3/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back at you and sun.star with a blunt penknife.
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  Why are you both looking at me? Like I'm a pervert.
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  I am slob and I'm here with my two Warrior friend.
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  Say hello, Simon. Hello Joe and say hello.
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  Phrase sign op-eds. Sorry.
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  What did you sound like a pervert?
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  They look my up and suck it suck.
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  We're gonna do that. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt penknife. Alright, I'm here with a
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  fabulous so I heart fabulous, Freddy got, you know them,
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  they've been on 500 of these things.
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  Now that, you know, they are how you doing boys, who could on Gus
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  Yeah, it's good on join this one.
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  Brings up some interesting things, doesn't it doesn't it
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  just, well, I got two phony ones to bring up in this episode
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  alone, you know. Well, yeah, well there's a lot
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  in this episode. So some of the questions we've
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  had deal, particularly with stuff that happens in this this
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  week's episode The go on in, let's have one.
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  Okay, so Where are we? Hang on the lovely.
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  David G. Who is at Pi?
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  1883 on Twitter says the comedy Chase sequence.
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  Yay, or nay? Yay, yay, and another yay.
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  Oh my, what your leader. Okay, yes, Scooby Scooby-Doo.
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  Where are you raggy? Is it works because Michael
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  Ferguson shoots the, the chase scene, so beautifully and
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  particularly the mirrored sets, make it stand out from from the
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  crowd. Do you think that's the most
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  fascicle sequence in Doctor Who like out and out fast as in luck
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  from a comedy film, until we get the phone.
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  I also adore. Well, what's fascinating, is
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  that here we are, Patrick troughton is free stories away
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  from the end and he's still finding new ways to play his
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  doctor. I don't think he's played him
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  out and out for comment. Midi to this extent before, and
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  he's having fun doing this. I think he's enjoying his
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  performance here and the audience are swept along with
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  that with him. Yeah, it's a comedy then.
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  Well I'm sorry sir all the ones that are comedies you really
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  love. Well we're supposed to be doing
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  base Under Siege out where yeah we're supposed to be two
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  monsters and think that slapping a far sequence in the middle of
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  all of that. And then again towards the end,
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  maybe that just shows a little bit.
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  It's brushin. You know what?
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  We've had a bit cloning around in the space there in the rocket
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  in episode 2. You know, we've got this seam of
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  all the flapping around in the form, is this are they trying to
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  make this a comedy or is it just it's a bit like you know
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  invasion of time where you know, the comedy comes from the fact
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  that everyone knows that they're in a really just it's that sort
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  of like last day of term feel where, you know, everything's
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  just our whatever money is gone. Scripts on, let's just log
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  about. You know, it was like what is
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  happening here or we're good. It's a comedy because I think
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  there's moments of absolute tragedy and fusion who we
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  haven't really talked about yet is an absolutely tragic and real
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  character. So so not I don't figure, it's
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  it's comedy. I think it's a moment to let the
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  audience have their downtime from the tension and I do and I
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  don't think the chase Aces full circle as all that because the
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  doctor is still in danger. There are ice Warriors
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  everywhere around him, he's going to get captured, but it
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  lowers the tension out for a little moment.
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  So, the orders has got a moment to go.
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  Oh, this is a great funny bit and then he's back in danger
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  straight away because there's a nice Warrior coming in.
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  I've got an alternative reason as to why it's good and that's
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  just because it's troughton, and troughton is so funny and I
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  think had it been like, Tom Baker.
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  It might be a little bit Agra night like that bit.
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  We talked about a nightmare ever even saw at the end when he goes
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  into the CT machine. You know, trout is so good at
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  gauging this stuff. And yes, does it make it last?
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  Is it is the question, does it make you laugh?
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  Yeah, it has Expressions on his face, all the things that you
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  sell all of this. This because you are all my
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  words, kind of thing. And I'll be waiting for that
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  moment in my life but 43 years, where I can do an expression
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  like that, welcome back to like that.
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  And that dear listener is. Why doesn't work on audio?
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  The dust. Of course, I really do.
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  Hope it does foolish. We skip into episode 3.
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  Yes we should. And I want to ask you guys a
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  question and tell you why I love the story so much at the same
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  time. Okay.
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  Okay. Okay.
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  So it's all those phrase. It would.
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  You care to calcium? Yep.
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  And 54. Three, two one episode
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  transmitting. Now I was literally gonna say on
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  the back of you count in how sexy your voices and that's it
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  one time, your voice has not been sexy.
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  Well done. Okay, then judge so many
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  question for us. Yeah, I do.
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  I do, well, I've got a statement first and then a question.
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  So the reason I love this story so much is, I think it is the
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  first time that It sticks has stepped in and done a massive
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  repair job on a script. That is very light, has just
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  Fallen apart. And by all accounts, Brian house
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  was very amenable to this. And it's like yo my dear fellow,
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  you know, do whatever you need to do.
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  You know I'm not precious and effectively did a top to toe
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  rewrite. I know he wrote the last half of
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  this at least. Yes.
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  And I think Salvage is what probably would have been an
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  Aleut disaster and he goes on to do that.
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  For five years. In job is time, he does repair
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  job on the job. Yes.
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  On and, and particularly on another bride.
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  Inhales screams. And I think it's worth
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  celebrating for that because I think a lot of probably a lot of
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  the charm of the regulars. I think a lot of the better
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  character moments. I think that sense of sort of
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  pace and Adventure Off It all comes from Terrance dicks.
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  I think he arrived or two in his sleep and phrase of my sight was
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  doing that here. No no I think I think what's
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  Happening Here is Terrence has learned his craft.
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  It's a thing working out. How doctor who works?
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  Yeah he's kind of like how these assisting bit towards the the
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  back end of the record and block that makes up the start of
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  season 6 or sort of like the dominant in the main draw.
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  But he's been assistant neighs promote that the script editor
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  knows who he's very Much now, learning his craft.
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  He's like, he's like ccsi learning what makes top who work
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  and what doesn't work and, you know, he comes into the war
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  games with Mac Hulk and you know, he has ten episodes to
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  rate of that. You know, you does for that.
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  He's had to do a repair job on this.
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  You know, he comes into war games and he's got to do the
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  whole thing. With his mate and do it for 10
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  episodes. And that is, you know, when we
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  talked about the Pearson in episode 2, you know, when I
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  asked, you know, what makes War Games better paced than this
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  story? Perhaps, I think it is, Terrence
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  and Mack are getting it there when they are ready.
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  Dropping the plottin of the war games is so exceptional.
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  In terms of just dropping in B and B and B in this always
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  something to keep you interested and keep you interested.
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  There's a new tiny little Revelation, you know, that's
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  it's not well, or wanted to the doctor's people.
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  It's the time Lords. It just goes on like that.
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  So yeah, I totally agree that this is, this is a great job
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  from from Timmins and he's only got, he's only going to get
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  better from here on in. Again.
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  So, that answers, the question that we had for a big finish
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  author. Johnny Morris who says, is this
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  terrence's? Best script.
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  No, no, no. But I do, I think, I personally
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  think Terrance dicks is The greatest contributor to Doctor
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  Who I think. I think he saw the show through
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  like a lot of its most important moments.
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  He kept the show alive when it could have come to an end, you
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  know, really spectacular way. He wrote bloody brilliant
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  scripts in you know they've got his name on it.
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  Five doctors, stay at the K. Robot horror of fang Rock script
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  edited five glorious years of the show.
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  And bike as a celebration. This is, this is the first time.
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  He's really had to sort of stuff because he was sort of code
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  scriptwriter. Wasn't it here?
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  Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.
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  Very much. So, I mean, particularly, I
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  think episodes because it's free to 6.
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  So we're in. Terrance dicks territory here
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  now. All sorry.
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  I meant with like Derek Sherwin because oh well, oh yes.
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  Oh yeah, he was sharing the roll.
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  Hmm, because they were expecting Peter.
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  It's a move on faster than he did.
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  And don't show when to take over as producer and Terrence to be
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  the full-time script editor. So he's got time to learn his
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  craft. He's worked with Robert Holmes
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  on the Croton sort of in the background and then suddenly the
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  scripting of all the stories they all fall through,
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  everything's gone to shit. And Terrence says, well look,
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  I've got this script that we could just do.
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  Let's do this while some preparing this six part or over
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  it. Exactly.
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  So, you know, it's it's great work and I can't fault her and
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  sticks. I mean he's like Russell T
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  Davies in a lot of ways that I think his Five Years on Doctor
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  Who as a script editor, I don't think there is Like Russell, did
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  he is there for the final pass of each script?
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  And each one of those scripts goes through Terrence his hands
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  at the at the last minute. And he gives it the final polish
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  to bring it up to standard exact and I think his voice is all
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  over those scripts in ways that you don't always know notice.
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  So there was a really good black archive book on Carnival of
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  monsters and Cuz a lot of the notes for Carnival of monsters
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  exist from Robert Holmes has first draft through to the end.
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  And a lot of the things that people celebrate in that story
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  for being classic, Robert. Holmes, what actually additions
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  by Terrance dicks? And when you see what he what he
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  was doing and you think well if he's doing that on this script,
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  what's he done to something? That's a lesser script and I
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  think perhaps the only people that he the only person he
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  doesn't go and edit very much is Barry Letts when perhaps Barry
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  Letts does need it Ty monster but he does exactly we're all
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  thinking it Lassiter's of death commentary like he gives a
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  potted history of what happened with that story and How will,
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  you know? But we cobbled it together in
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  the end, though. Me and Mac, Hulk.
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  I think we cobbled it together. Fairly well.
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  Fraser, would you reckon? Well, it's like what I said when
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  we did that comment read that, you know, terrans, when he's got
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  his back against the wall is best.
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  You know, you're in a position where he's got to Got the
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  perform, you know, you stop it. You know, give him the war games
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  where we've got to do ten episodes and it's the end of the
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  season, and he's got to do ten episodes with very little
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  budget. You're giving me ambassador's of
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  death, where he's got to, you know, come in and rescue David,
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  Whitlock a script and, again, it's 7 episode.
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  So he's he's really Under Pressure, he's got his day job
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  to do as well. You give him sort of the
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  horrifying rock where you're saying, well, you know, All
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  you've got to do this, you can't do what you want to do, because
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  you want to do Dracula, basically, but what he didn't,
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  drop your ass, you've got to do something else.
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  You give them the five doctors where you seen, what you've got
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  to have five doctors in it and no actually, it's only going to
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  be for doctors and this come in or chopping and changing around
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  you. Yeah, yeah.
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  You put them under pressure and that's when he, he works the
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  best and I would 100% agree that years, you know, probably the
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  most important. Public beta 2 to all of of
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  Doctor Who I would possibly argue that Bob Holmes is a
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  better script writer and having sticks.
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  Yeah, I think this is a better script editor.
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  Yes absolutely. I think Bob has the best script
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  writer. Yeah.
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  Probably a better writer and it's a very faint.
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  Parents, is very focused on the technical side of writing, so
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  his plots chart? Yeah, absolutely tight.
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  Yeah. And but you can't discount
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  terrence's contribution as the script editor for those five
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  years, you can't discount the scripts that he wrought.
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  You know. Both inside that time and
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  outside have that time you can't discount what he's done with
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  Target novelization. Well, God and not and you think
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  of the the amount of target books, where he fixes the
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  scripts, the Android invasion was almost over.
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  Well, you know, you look at those five Years of the Pertwee
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  when he was scripted in your heart.
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  Barry. Let's working with them.
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  And that is such a beautiful pair and because that is both
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  your script editor and you produce are in absolutes in
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  Practical working saw together on such the same page.
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  And so aligned that that's what makes that you.
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  Our special is that Auntie are harmonious to the Yeah, and it's
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  degrees. Very interesting to compare it
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  to his relationship with Derek Sherwin and Peter.
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  Brian where he doesn't have much, that's good to say about
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  them. There is a gamma Tree on the
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  spear having space, which is terrorist, he's and Derek.
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  Sure. And Terror sticks basically just
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  says, oh I think the second part of a good idea.
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  I love a guy that was a good idea, tasting that a scandal.
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  You guys you basically Lumber me with all of this and then You
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  pop it off to do something else. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take you
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  back to the story for a second because I've got another
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  question for both of you. Okay to hear answers.
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  This is the thorny subject. I said I'd bring up and that's
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  fuchsia is for you show him. A tracer.
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  Is he a bad man? No, I don't think he's a bad
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  man. I think he's a scared man, and
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  he's truck doing whatever he can to stay alive.
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  And if that means, he's got to do these bad things.
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  Then he will. I think he is one of the most
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  tragic characters in the whole of Doctor, Who I think he's a
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  man who is out of his depth in a situation that he can't deal
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  with, who is having Mental breakdown over all of this, over
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  all these things he wants to do. And there's the Fantastic bit
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  where he says I just want to stay alive.
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  I want to live. Yes.
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  And I think that's the key to him.
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  I've been is one of the most unsung performances in the whole
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  of Doctor Who I think Terry Scully is absolutely
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  brilliantly. Convincing as this man who is on
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  the edge. It didn't he has an axe have
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  tricky life, did he take his life?
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  So I imagine that I don't think you do.
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  It's okay, I think I'm still working into the 80s.
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  So I think, okay, I swear, I read or saw something about
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  that. I might look at that are between
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  episodes. What do you think professor?
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  And I agree. 100 percent. I think the, you know,
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  everything's so I said, there is absolutely spot-on.
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  And the only thing I can really add to that is that fuchsia Ms.
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  Victoria. Victoria.
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  Yep. So what are you compare?
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  I said this is the same stories that ice Warriors.
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  What's the big difference? Is there's no Victoria but there
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  is a Victoria, it's Fusion so he plays that rule that Victoria
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  will all of our Sort of POV character with the ice Warriors.
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  So in, I swear, he's a tough little Victoria gets captured by
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  Vargas start and taken to the ship.
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  And she is our in to the ice Warriors, and what they're up
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  to. And it's exactly the same with
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  fuchsia with the is a very similar, sort of character in,
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  as much as you know, Victoria is spent the whole time being
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  scared and frightened and screaming and You know, having
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  to do what the ice Warriors wanted to do fusions exactly the
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  same and it's just it's more interesting because he's a male
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  character, you know, it's not what you expect of a milk out.
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  There is more energy because he's a male character, I think
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  is more interesting because one I think he's a better actor than
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  Debra walk thing and to I think he's in a sort of a dicey
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  situation or at least he plays it, he plays it for real,
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  whereas Victoria just sort of Sniffles off camera, you know?
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  It's So Jamie. What's going on?
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  And that's kind of expect of the Victoria but you know, you're
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  bringing fuchsia. Mm.
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  You bring in a guy who's supposed to be a guy and it's
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  for the time that this is made and even probably.
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  Now it's quite a agenda reversed rule which makes it really,
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  really interesting for me. That, you know, you would have,
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  you've got misskelley it, we've said is very strong character,
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  very strong personality, very authoritative, very capable and
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  Technical. And she's the only one that can
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  fix. T mutton has to go to the Moon,
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  fix team at where you've got fish in there, who is
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  essentially the Damsel in Distress.
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  It's a really clever gender role-reversal, which you might
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  not get it. This time, we'll wait, will be a
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  bit more Progressive than that. But for certainly, for the time,
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  it was made quite sophisticated writing for Doctor Who, as it's
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  not, don't get many characters like this ever, again, while
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  putting characters in impossible, situations, like
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  this and asking hard questions. Would you do this?
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  Or would you kill you? Yeah, sacrifice yourself.
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  That's not a place Doctor Who would go very often that's quite
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  an adult place to go. And in the middle of this, rumpy
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  run around is even more. Interesting, isn't it to have
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  all of that going on in the background but we have had a few
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  characters in The buildup. In the first episode who have
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  done that, they have the guy that sabotages the And the
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  communications in the team at the start with who, you know,
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  will get the POV shot from the ice Warriors you as equate, you
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  know, calm, Lisa days. And don't, you know, he's quite
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  smug about the fact that he's, he's right.
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  The team at even though he knows he's going to get You know,
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  executed, he dies, yeah, because that's what happens to people
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  who do this, and this is what sense future.
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  I'm over the edge and that's but that but fusions already on the
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  edge. Yes.
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  Because there's already doubts about the character before.
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  Yeah, we met before we when he's at his best fuchsia Ms. Two
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  steps away from getting into the team up and going back to Earth.
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  Have been already. Booked it, something up, you
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  know, made a made an ass of one of the transmission sir you
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  know, a Russians had a dressing down and he's literally two
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  steps away from getting in the team and getting off the moon
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  before the ice Warriors. Coming already know that what
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  type of character fugitives were know that he is.
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  He's for a sick person who is promoted out of their depth and
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  he can't deal with his job. Yeah.
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  Yes, we knew. Yeah, that that adds more than
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  the live of sort of interest to the character that would know
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  that he's, you shouldn't, he shouldn't be.
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  There is is not who you are, you know?
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  Right from the very start with no, he's not here with any.
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  It does exactly what you would expect them to do.
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  In that scenario, we eat does what the ice Warriors.
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  Ask him, I do for his survival for the survival of others as
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  well. It's not just, you know what?
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  I want to levitate if I don't, I don't fix this.
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  What? All going to die.
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  We're all going to get nice and it's it's really interesting
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  because it's not like the ice Lord.
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  Sloth is manipulating him into doing this.
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  He's just telling you what to do it and fuchsia is doing it.
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  He's not he puts up a token amount of resistance and
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  questions it. Yeah.
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  But only to a small extent so it's not like he's eating from
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  being tricked into doing this. He is doing this off, his own
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  volition, there's then it gets really interesting when Sloth
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  sadistically mates, him beam somebody out.
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  He makes him kill somebody and that.
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  If but I think the most interesting moment for fuchsia
• 24:20
  is that silent scene before Miss Kelly beams onto the moon and
• 24:26
  the camera is high and it comes down on him.
• 24:28
  Just sitting there waiting and he knows that they're going to
• 24:31
  know that. He's collaborated and secondary
• 24:34
  characters and Doctor Who don't get moments like that very
• 24:37
  often. We said it in Genesis of the
• 24:38
  Daleks, when the Europe and around a room with gunfire
• 24:41
  rattling. And davros was just sort of
• 24:43
  passing his Claw on his chair. Like you don't get like silent
• 24:50
  seems like that for many guest characters.
• 24:52
  Hey, so interesting, isn't it? It's almost too interesting for
• 24:57
  this story as. Yeah, and we're at this moment
• 24:59
  here where the doctor is questioning him about.
• 25:03
  Why are you helping them? And yeah, his answers are
• 25:08
  fascinating. And yet does he doesn't know
• 25:13
  that does he that sending the seed pods to Earth and then they
• 25:18
  tell him by the way. Yeah, you've destroyed the early
• 25:21
  human rights and he's met like with his head in his hands all
• 25:31
  the way he doesn't go completely.
• 25:35
  Off off the rails completely and he has a heroic ending which is
• 25:40
  one of the fault. It's not played like a big hero
• 25:44
  moment. Is it?
• 25:45
  O, is he still a very uncharismatic, man?
• 25:48
  So he doesn't get like a don't kill me.
• 25:51
  No. Just looking at Terry scully's
• 25:57
  pedia and we saw, he didn't take his own life.
• 26:00
  He did. And I've stroked in 2001.
• 26:05
  Oh, okay, 64 now then also did. Yes, you had a nervous breakdown
• 26:10
  while Steve was filming survivors.
• 26:12
  Oh, yes. Because the cut.
• 26:14
  Yeah, does. The character he plays is recast
• 26:17
  when it when he returns. Yes.
• 26:19
  Yeah. So there's not much on them
• 26:23
  after Or that or whether he becomes he doesn't, he doesn't
• 26:26
  like seven after that. It does it doesn't break seven.
• 26:31
  There's it's not the biggest Wikipedia entry.
• 26:34
  No. And he does want to turn
• 26:37
  sticks'. I'm classic cereals I've been
• 26:40
  cuz well, if I remember correctly, it's such a lovely
• 26:44
  sort of Twitchy, anxious performers.
• 26:47
  So, isn't it? It is, I find it a bit
• 26:49
  uncomfortable to watch. Yes, and that's the thing, isn't
• 26:52
  it? That's That's the that's the
• 26:55
  most stroke of his performance is that you're not, you
• 27:00
  understand the character, and you're not sure if you'd like
• 27:02
  him and you mean he makes you feel uncomfortable, because
• 27:05
  you're thinking all that time. What would I be doing in?
• 27:09
  If I was this person? What I'd be doing this.
• 27:12
  It's a question. Yeah.
• 27:14
  On would you sacrifice yourself or would you do what?
• 27:18
  And I think if we're honest a lot of us would be fuchsia.
• 27:22
  Mm yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:25
  I just do as I'm told it's well, so you can just take these seed
• 27:29
  pods as he boards. Okay, they are balloons, aren't
• 27:37
  they? That was just going off in his
• 27:41
  face. He's probably gonna need a
• 27:42
  holiday or something. After this, I can't see that.
• 27:50
  I'm quite fabulous, 15 minutes gushing about Fusion.
• 27:59
  There was Jamie and Zoe were just sort of tiptoeing about a
• 28:03
  bit and hard to Bianco little things like that.
• 28:06
  I've got to say it's like I said, no, not many regulars are
• 28:09
  put up this this sort of repetitive running around for,
• 28:12
  but I just feel they're great, like, I just.
• 28:15
  Okay. They're just hard to be on doors
• 28:16
  in plain sight like Scooby-Doo, they are gorgeous.
• 28:21
  As well. I think that really helps both
• 28:23
  of them are lovely and they're absolutely tiny.
• 28:27
  This is the, this is the least, tall taller, this team in the
• 28:31
  whole of Doctor Who. And so you automatically just
• 28:35
  want to put your arm around them and say it's all right, you'll
• 28:39
  be okay because they all seem really small and vulnerable
• 28:42
  against all these really monsters well and then they
• 28:45
  bring in the side man. The ice Warriors.
• 28:48
  Do you know things that? Don't you?
• 28:50
  Above all. It's very easy to make trout and
• 28:55
  sort of cower in Haiti. Yeah.
• 28:59
  Did you know his Miss Kelly then put in a free pin plug?
• 29:04
  As long as you has not Advanced too much on the moon, you know?
• 29:06
  Well it's a it's safety, it's fine.
• 29:11
  Oh that's it. That was at the first knows the
• 29:14
  Second Use. Wasn't it of the solar amplifier
• 29:17
  death which is comes very important obviously later on in
• 29:19
  the story. Yeah.
• 29:22
  Is that way to go but I had to feel about that although we're
• 29:24
  gonna get there but not only is killing people.
• 29:27
  But boy, he looks so cute with all that lash up all around him,
• 29:30
  all those wires but yeah that's that you can see it's that
• 29:34
  dichotomy that that juxtaposition between us.
• 29:39
  I keep going, come on I could use problem.
• 29:42
  I'm well-educated. I don't I you've been swallowing
• 29:46
  I fear for us this way. You can go on holiday meself,
• 29:50
  mediator. It will behave.
• 29:57
  Okay. So the first seed pod is heading
• 29:59
  to Earth. Yep.
• 30:02
  It's obviously London. Does it explode in front of
• 30:05
  eldradimon Radner? Yes, don't worry.
• 30:08
  Because it kills Brent, who's there who's sort of been in the
• 30:13
  background a bit in team, at control?
• 30:17
  Angela, if you pick something up and it starts, you know, growing
• 30:22
  it miserably. Just drop it or run away.
• 30:24
  Yeah, mmm. And then expel it all into
• 30:28
  London are outside. Perfect that will sort out as
• 30:33
  quite an interesting idea, as well as I do.
• 30:34
  Like the fact that we've established a team at is all
• 30:38
  around the world. So the pods are going or rather
• 30:41
  I said we do have a wide scale fret even though we're never
• 30:44
  going to go to any of those places.
• 30:47
  The stakes are signs of them you know just London and if it was
• 30:52
  the new series now you'd see that cropping up in in cat in
• 30:56
  Ottawa and all those other places that are named on that
• 30:59
  that's green and it's either - Trinity Wells on the Telly.
• 31:03
  Oh my God. Imagine before that I would like
• 31:05
  fairy liquid Subs around this is between 0 and Norm.
• 31:13
  This expanding balloon. Yes.
• 31:16
  We got solutely to the most intriguing Cliffhanger yet, the
• 31:25
  best player in the world. Did we are, you know, we've seen
• 31:30
  the doctor has been disabled and disarmed by By one of the polls.
• 31:42
  So if it well we know there's a bit of danger to go with this.
• 31:45
  So like I probably would have ended there.
• 31:49
  That would have been my Cliffhanger that thing going off
• 31:51
  in his face. Yeah, but you've still got five
• 31:55
  minutes to fill. So let me say it, you can fill
• 32:00
  it with a bit of running around. Yeah, we talked all over that
• 32:03
  file. See, we did.
• 32:05
  But definitely, we covered that before we got there, so that's
• 32:08
  fine. I didn't realize I was so many
• 32:10
  laws shots of him sort of Dashing from what side of the
• 32:13
  screen to the other. What I like in that sea is that
• 32:16
  his running gets, it gets shorter and shorter and shorter
• 32:20
  as the ice Warriors are advancing in.
• 32:22
  So you get quite a long A bit of in running and then he's come in
• 32:26
  and he's back then he's back a bit and then yeah.
• 32:28
  And then before, you know, it he's just turning around and
• 32:30
  they're all around it and, you know, it's a sort of weird
• 32:33
  pattern of the floor, the fun. I know, I know I'm talking about
• 32:37
  set design again, but like I don't know, it's just, it's not
• 32:41
  your typical Doctor Who visually is it?
• 32:45
  No, I mean that's that's Practically.
• 32:49
  That is not a great bit of design because that's not
• 32:53
  practical for moving. Anything around.
• 32:55
  You will that bit of equipment down the corridor?
• 32:57
  No.