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What a Plastic Surgeon Wants Every Creator to Know Before Going on Camera · Your Mic

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  Podcast hosts obsess over the wrong things they do they obsess over the mic the lighting the perfect angle
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  But here's what nobody tells you the thing you think is ruining your on-camera presence your audience isn't even
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  Noticing it
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  Enter my friend Dr. Angela Stern
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  She's a facial plastic surgeon double board certified
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  Facial plastic surgeon. She's also a client of my companies to speak podcasting and her show is called beauty unveiled
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  Watch and listen wherever you get your podcast. She's the founder of more than one business
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  She has spent her career talking people off the ledge of their own self-consciousness and today
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  She's here to do the same thing for you
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  This is our fourth conversation. I'm gonna link the other three in the show notes and we've covered everything from entrepreneurship to the podcast journey
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  Today we're gonna talk about being camera ready without losing your mind
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  So get ready. It's another episode of your mic. My name is Freddie Cruz. Let's go
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  Something that you have said on more than one occasion is that people do not pay attention to
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  whatever
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  Whatever they think is on their face that bothers them every day
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  To you it's huge and it's this big mole and it's this and everybody's gonna be looking at it
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  And I've had people they're like I will turn my head so people won't see it and just know that whatever noise you have in your head about your face
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  Everybody else has that too. And so that's taking up so much space
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  Trust me. They're they're not noticing the little things that you see and you know
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  And we see ourselves with 10x mirrors and with phones that give us weird angles and all these things and other people see you
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  In a much more balanced normal way so they
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  They're not paying attention to that especially with the noise in there. It would have to be a huge booger in your nostril
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  For them to say something. Yeah
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  They probably won't they'd have to be your friend. It's like hey, hey, you know
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  I want to do something. Yeah
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  That'd be socially a reason to tell you absolutely well
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  And you have beauty unveiled is the podcast. It's on YouTube and all the other audio feeds
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  But another thing that you've talked about is the iPhone angle and I never really thought of it that way
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  I always thought that it was you take a selfie looks good or it doesn't and then there's this setting
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  I think my daughters have called it though the one and a half zoom in or whatever and that's something that I guess you're having to talk to people who go to your office
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  Yeah, yeah, because we that's how we're seeing ourselves now and it's funny because even my kids are like oh, let me take a picture
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  So I can see but especially if you use the back camera which most of us do because we can see it while we're taking the picture
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  It's it's skewed and it's more of a fisheye
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  So whatever's in the middle is going to look bigger and you're going to have a completely picture
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  Different picture far away than you are up close and up compared to down and whatever's in the middle is going to look bigger
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  So I'll have people that come in and they take a picture of underneath their nose and they're like don't you see and I'm like
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  Well, first of all like literally nobody sees you from that angle
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  And secondly of course it looks weird like it's that's the way that the camera works
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  It doesn't it's not accurate and so sometimes people will get upset and I'll say well you use these fancy cameras
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  And it looks different than my iPhone and I'm like the reason we use those camera is it's the closest to how people actually see you
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  Like it's the closest to reality and the distance that we use is everything is very curated to like this is what reality is
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  And that's why we call it like standardized photography and so when we take those pictures, we can say okay
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  This is this is what's there and this is you know what's real and
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  And so when people get upset about that and they're like but on my iPhone and like because it that's not how
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  Anybody sees you you don't want your plastic surgeon
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  Pictures on their iPhone. Yeah, I have a lot of questions
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  The fact that somebody would even make that argument kind of
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  Another thing that I want you to touch on to is because people are more educated than they used to be
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  but then
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  This example not so much right and things we don't know and it's it's not in you know
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  The iPhone's best interest to tell us. Okay, these pictures are not gonna be great of you
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  You know, they're like oh it's the best camera and it's the set and the other but it depends on how you use it
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  And like you said your daughter's probably know all kinds of settings. Oh, let me my dog looks so cute
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  Yeah, I know how to use it way better than I do or you know, and so there's things you have to know about it and
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  but it's
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  If you just hold it and take a picture, it's not the same and there's even
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  Papers like scientific papers in our field talking about you know the
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  How to take a picture and what is most accurate and that the phones are not accurate?
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  So we have something that scientifically has been peer reviewed that that's not a good representation
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  Do they update those papers whenever there's an iPhone like a new iPhone because the tech is always changing
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  It is always changing like the basics are still there. So you can still use that
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  I think if there's like a major overall of the the camera there'll be a push to redo those papers and
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  There's always new you know, young people coming into medicine that know about those things
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  So I'm sure they're gonna be the ones that are pushing that of like oh, this is completely different because of whatever and we need to look at that again
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  What was something that has changed since you started?
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  So in thinking about this on the way here whenever I first started we you would definitely see people that were like on camera all the time
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  They were news anchors or whatever and they would come in and and they were under a lot of pressure
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  You know and they still are but they say oh, you know my producer said I have a little line right here
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  I had this little thing right here and what can you do about this and we're we're you know
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  We're talking in millimeters and we're fixing little tiny things
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  But now that everybody takes you know their own pictures and their own videos and you're uploading it and our idea of social media has changed so much from here's my
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  Dinner tonight to like here's a very curated video of my life of
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  Montage of the weekend, you know
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  You see that in just everybody, you know that they come in and they're like oh my gosh in the videos
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  I this profile looks like this and this profile looks like that and so what we saw in that very small
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  percentage of people it's it's kind of everybody and so you're to having to talk to people about okay
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  What cooks on camera?
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  May or may not look good in real life, you know, and so for chasing lines on camera
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  That's how you get to weird, you know
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  We don't we have to find a balance of what's gonna work
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  I've learned from you during our recordings that you cannot get rid of every line
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  You couldn't even do that with a small child. No
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  You look at kids and they have lines when they smile and they have some of them like we'll have the little bags under their eyes
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  Because it's just a genetic thing and you know
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  You have people could come in and they're like I want no lines. I think that's totally unrealistic
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  Where humans not action figures? Yeah, you're gonna move and and it's to your previous point
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  They'll be like oh well she doesn't have lines and she doesn't have like I can point out all the lines on my face
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  Okay, so what you're you know you're way more picky about yourself than you are other people because
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  Oh, you don't have lines. Oh, we definitely do you know one of the things that I feel I feel that TV anchors have really gotten the
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  wrong end of the deal and
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  Would be HD TV because now you can tell that they're like wearing way too much makeup
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  Yeah, you can see everything you see all the flaws, but then all the makeup. Yeah, it's like
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  What are you talking about?
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  Distracted and it's that finding that balance of like what's gonna look good and what's gonna look like you have makeup on and which is
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  Can be distracting. Yeah, let's talk about something that
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  people who are on camera a lot
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  Whether it's hobby podcasting or podcasting as an extension of their business and they're on video a lot something they can do
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  that
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  Costs almost nothing or that costs no more than a trip to the grocery store on Sundays
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  So hydrate your skin if you're worried about how you look and so that goes a long way whether it's just a drinking water or
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  Just a good moisturizer. It doesn't have to be expensive. Just something that like moisturizes your skin
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  The people I see them like oh my gosh, it's amazing. They're like I'm just moisturizing my skin more like it's so simple
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  But it makes a huge difference
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  And if you can find a sunscreen with like a little blurring effect
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  I'm sorry sunscreen with a blurring effect. Yeah, they make them and it's for the like Sephora something
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  You know, they're not expensive, but it'll have a little something that it's not makeup
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  So everybody can wear it, but just kind of make sure skin look a little bit softer
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  You know, and then just your favorite outfit if you're comfortable and your clothes you're gonna be
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  This one less thing you have to worry about if you're sitting there and you're like oh, you know, my
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  It's a little short or right, you know
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  It takes away from focusing on what you're doing
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  So just feeling comfortable in whatever it is like your outfit or
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  Your makeup or if you feel like I know when I've had my makeup done and as somebody else did it and didn't like it
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  I could tell in the videos, you know that you're like
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  I'm really unhappy
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  I like I can watch my face
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  You have to be comfortable with whatever that is or you can you can tell
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  What about people that work out outside and I may or may not be asking for myself
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  Selfishly because I do like to run outside and you know the sun and we're in Houston
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  It's hot you're sweating hair prodded because you know, I don't wash my hair every day
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  I know but you I've heard from my daughters that you're not supposed to wash her hair every day because you want to retain the oils
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  And so I don't wash my hair every day
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  But what if I'm running and it's hot and then I'm sweating. I got the sweat and the hair pride gum done my face
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  And I'm surprised I've never broken out like a teenager and here I'm 50
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  I just like but for somebody who who does that and is also very self-conscious because I'm
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  Really self-conscious
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  But for someone who's like really wanted to take care of their face a little more than me. Yeah
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  There's some really good and sport sunscreens that will stay through the sweat and all the stuff, you know
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  So at least SPF 30 if you hit 50 that's better much above that is
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  Minimal coverage. So you're at like I think it's like 95% at 30 and then 50's like 98 or something like that and then after that
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  It's it's very small. So if you're like I'm gonna do a hundred SPF that's minimally better than F
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  It's like 50 but 30 to 50's great
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  So the waterproof and then like
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  Guilty of not wearing a hat
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  Maybe that's something I should consider starting. Yeah
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  What about what about for people who
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  Maybe have like allergies or something, you know, they're really super like skin sensitive because there's a lot of that
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  You know, my daughters are very fair skin. Yeah, and very sensitive to the sunlight one of them in particular
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  But you know for someone who's like how well, you know, it's nice. I'll just stand side and you know
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  I have a treadmill home
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  They're not outside walking the dog or doing yard work and you know, they want to take care of themselves
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  But you know, they've got to be really considerate of what they what they do. Yeah, you do have to really look at the products that you're putting on your face and
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  there's
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  They call them like Cosmaceuticals the ones that you can buy and like the
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  Derms offices of plastic surgery office that a lot of times they like doctors terms
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  They have better quality ingredients such as less likely to react to
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  So they they're a little bit better and you can try them and usually you can try them on there and just make sure you know
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  Your skin's gonna be good. There's
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  Different brands. I really like Alastin because that's it's made for sensitive skin
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  And it's made for post-procedure skin that reacts to everything
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  So if you're somebody that you're like, oh, I might react to this without it the other, you know
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  It's a good brand to to look into
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  What patterns do you see between how somebody talks about their face and how they show up to your office or show up in a social gathering?
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  Feel like we we all kind of have a certain outlook on life that includes our face and our face is a very
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  socially important part of us, you know, and so I feel like it's amplified, you know, and I'll it's one of the things
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  We sort of look for in surgeries and how
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  Just how they interact with everybody and how when they come into the office are they nice to the frontess person?
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  Are they happy and cheerful or are they don't want to fill out the paperwork and don't want to take pictures and they're not nice to anybody and you know
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  Then they're probably not going to be super happy with the results regardless of what it looks like
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  You know, they're probably not going to be a good candidate and so it's that and one of the surgeons that
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  It's in facial plastics. It's you know, it's kind of like the dinner party test
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  Like would you want to be at a dinner party with this person? And if it's yes, then you're probably good to operate on if it's no then
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  Nothing you can do kick them out of the office now
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  And a really successful one said I only operate on people that I would actually be friends with not that you're friends with all of your patients
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  But if there's somebody you would be
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  You're probably going to get along you're probably going to have a
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  Positive enough outlook on life that they're like yeah, I can see a difference
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  I can see that it's better. I see that you know, they're seeing the positive of it rather than someone that just always sees the negative and things and
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  And
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  People are complicated so there may be a lot of different things going on in a lot of they have stressors. They have whatever it is, you know, but
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  however they got there this
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  stressor of
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  Their face and surgery or whatever happens to their faces is like that much more and it's that much more stressful
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  So it's to me it's just kind of amplified like how they look at everything and look at the world and
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  So
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  You've had a rhinoplasty before and it was after your fellowship and so how do you bring that experience into what into what
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  We're talking about when you see somebody for consult or even if it's somebody saying hey, you know a doctor
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  I got this thing and it's really been bothering me. It's bothering me since I was a kid and maybe they're in their 30s 40s and you're like well
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  Because I wonder how much how much psychology you got to take in
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  To be able to have a conversation with somebody like that
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  Yeah, we say you know we're part therapists part surgeon, you know
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  Understand where people are coming from and
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  People are scared, you know, like it's scary the thought of having surgery on your face to scary
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  So it's helpful to kind of recognize where they're at and be able to relate to them on
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  You know what it is that they might be concerned about or you know like you said. I've had this problem forever and
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  I don't know if I want to do something about it or not and say oh I had it as well and I'm so glad
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  I breathe so much better like I sleep better all these things
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  I didn't even realize we're gonna be better and so it's kind of like reassuring and
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  And you and can understand the hard parts too, you know like when someone comes in and we just had someone that
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  You know get day five you're like, yeah, I think I'm okay
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  And you're really nervous, but you're just like it's the first time you've ever seen yourself different completely different, you know
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  And so I think so and then we just saw her in day 10. She's like, yeah, no, it's good
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  And you can relate I can relate to that feeling because that's exactly what I had if like yeah, no, it looks like it's supposed to look
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  But I don't know yet
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  I'm happy you know
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  Because it's a whole journey. It's not just something okay
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  So y'all got to go back and listen to I'll link in the show notes
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  But it was a conversation you have with Dr. Rodman lat no two years ago
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  I think and it was something that you all talked about is like the Amazonification of society and people
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  People want that that result like right away, but that but if you're operating on somebody's face
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  Yeah, no ma'am. It's not gonna look. It's not gonna look like that
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  Yeah, it doesn't happen over and and seeing things online
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  I think is not helpful because you're like, oh look
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  It's before and after and like yeah, that's a year later, you know
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  And you have the bias of the internet and I was like well
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  I saw someone online and they were at three months and they had no swelling
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  I'm like false because they definitely do have swelling
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  But as there's different from yours probably because you're two different people right and the people you see online are going to be really happy
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  I'm really unhappy like the people in the middle are not usually
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  Share in their journey. They might but fewer of them than the ones that are like oh my gosh look at this look at this or
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  I'm really not happy about it. Now it's like it's just the natural bias of the internet
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  You know and people saying oh well this person looks perfect at a month and I should look perfect at a month and I'm like they don't
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  I promise
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  They're sharing their highlights the way everybody else does, you know, so you can't believe any you can't believe everything that you see and
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  They probably have makeup on and you know, there's just
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  Yeah, people want it right now and then they can find evidence for why it should be right now and like
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  None of that's real. I think you're like out of my office or right now
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  I'm trying to hold your hands to this that it's a process, you know, it just takes time and it will get there and just
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  I want it right now too. That would make my life easier as well. I mean seriously
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  Okay, so let's talk about your podcast where a little over two years into the journey, which is crazy because time seems to have just
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  But um what
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  What's surprise? What's what is surprised you the most about hearing yourself on Apple podcasts or Spotify is anything like if you
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  Were to ever hear yourself on the radio when someone's playing one of those cheesy countdown shows
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  What is that like for you?
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  Yeah, it's different because I don't know if I ever told you this but I used to be
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  terrified of video or
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  Speaking in front of anybody but like literally tears terrifying really and it was when I first started
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  Practice, you know when you're young and I think it comes from like having to stand up and talk in front of
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  People much more your senior about topics that I have read about in a book and you have done for 20 years and you are going to
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  Come for me if this is not correct and I don't know because I am just a resident and I have no clue
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  You know, and so it's just this terror of having to speak in front of people and then you know
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  And then you are vulnerable and you put it up to the whole internet to like who knows what they're gonna say and and then you realize
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  There's nobody nobody knows what you're talking about less the time
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  There's not this whole internet of experts out there and as long as I come from like my experience and my
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  My my life and what I've done and even like speaking in front of other experts
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  If this is what works for me and being authentic in that and this is this is me
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  I there's not much to argue about there, you know
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  Nobody can say much back to that and it makes me feel much more comfortable of like this is
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  You know what I've experienced and you can argue but it doesn't go very far right you know so getting and
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  Feeling more comfortable with it now and listening to it and it sounds like okay and that's
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  So it's just such a big difference from where I came from and
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  My daughter googled me at school the other day and that was you know
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  That's part of that where she's like yeah, I googled you and I showed my teacher and you know we're on
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  YouTube and all this stuff. She's
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  Videos nice
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  So that's sort of surprising, you know like things you don't think about like oh, yeah, you're not okay
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  Google you at school
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  Wait a minute why she on Google at school
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  Exactly, that was our question. I go what were you supposed to be doing that you were not
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  Really, but I want to go back to to this because when when we started working with you you were already
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  I want to say it at least 150 maybe 200 videos into your YouTube channel like you had a
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  Following already that was
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  Impressive and is still impressive
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  So we we inherited the vast majority of that audience when we started working with you
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  So at what point were was it just another day at the office like when you go and operate on somebody's face
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  We had been doing videos once a month since I started
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  Since I started my practice in 2020 and so every month we would do 8 to 10 videos and be like here's the topics and
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  Started with like the teleprompter and then like I told you I can't read from the teleprompter as sound
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  It sounds like I'm reading like I just
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  It sounds weird in the comments like she's clearly reading
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  Oh, man
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  Go back on YouTube and now it's good to go back to the early ones. Oh, you right
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  So I had to figure out I just need like the topics and then I can talk like I'm
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  Talking to a patient and because that's what's most comfortable for me is like if I sit down with you
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  And how do I explain this to you as a patient and
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  Those are one of the things I liked about plastic
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  This it's pretty simple, you know, like explaining things to people. It's it's a pretty simple thing
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  I'm not trying to explain. Okay, we're gonna go into your abdomen in this big black box of things in there
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  And where are the things and no, it's like it's your nose
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  We're gonna take down the bump work and I make it narrower like it's you can see it. We can both touch it and feel it and
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  very
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  concrete, you know, so
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  I guess in that process of just doing
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  Petitively, okay, we're gonna do this and you just that's what we're doing on that day
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  Get used to it. Okay, now I want to follow up because you obviously read comments from people who are telling you that
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  You're reading and I mean that would I don't know. I feel like even 2020 Freddy who was already decades into
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  Decades and into being you know on the on the radio at that time
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  It's still what it crushed me like it was accurate like it didn't bother me because it was I didn't bother you because it was accurate
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  Okay, you're right
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  So what's your advice for somebody who and maybe it's not somebody getting called out because they're reading verbatim
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  But you know if it's something maybe if they get their feelings hurt you obviously didn't you took it literally like as just a
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  Data point. Yeah, I think that's what it is because people comment on everything with
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  Zero context background, especially in social media now where you have reels that you just swipe through and you don't know this person and people just comment on everything and so it just
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  That's all it is to me is, you know, it's a data point
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  It's either something where they're like, oh, we could definitely do that better or like yeah, you just told me you hated my purple shirt
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  And I don't have a purple shirt, so I don't care, you know
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  Like some of this I'm sure the people can get really ugly, but I try not to read it too much, you know
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  I don't know. Is that more TikTok or Instagram. I'm not on TikTok. TikTok can get vicious
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  Is it really that much of a dumpster fire? Yeah, oh god. I think so
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  because Instagram is like this very
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  Warm fuzzy place where like the people that follow me. I know most of them
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  You know a lot of them are patients or they become patients or their friends or you know, and so the people that comment
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  I know them in real life
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  So there's a little bit of that accountability if they were to say something ugly like what I'm gonna see you Tuesday, you know
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  Hey, why are you being like that? I don't understand, you know, but TikTok you don't know
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  because
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  You know, you see the people that you follow you see their stuff on Instagram whereas TikTok's totally different where you just see random people and so
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  There's zero connection there and they just kind of say whatever because
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  Sort of the culture of just kind of commenting on things
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  A lot of times to get attention in your own right and to get you know
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  To be funny in some way and so it is it's totally different, you know
• 24:45
  You'll have the same posts in both places and Instagram. They're like oh, yeah, she looks great level and other places
• 24:51
  I don't see a difference. You know, like it's a facelift not a face transplant
• 24:57
  She didn't want to look like a different person. She didn't want the Barbie nose
• 25:02
  I wish she's the same person just better
• 25:06
  Oh goodness
• 25:07
  So we talked about the episode with Dr. Rodman
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  But what is an episode that you secretly wish every insecure creator would listen to or watch first?
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  I feel like we've done some like personal ones
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  I think is things like that are helpful whenever people are
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  Telling you like they're journey. That's what helps me more. It's like listening to other people's like
• 25:31
  Journey when they're actually
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  vulnerable and talking about things and you know, what about this one we could make it this one
• 25:37
  Yeah, well and one that comes to mind it well, it's the the intro the introduction to
• 25:43
  Beauty unveiled the so episode one but then there's one where you talked about the entrepreneurial journey
• 25:48
  And you really are like a business woman's business woman
• 25:52
  Because you started
• 25:54
  You know, this is like one of the most impressive things ever is that you started your business in 2020
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  Beginning of 2020 very pregnant
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  With a small one with a two-year-old right yeah with me and one employee and we're like well
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  Can I do it? You know here we go. He's gonna be great
• 26:15
  And look at you now
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  We've grown we have almost ten employees and
• 26:22
  Three different businesses in the aesthetic world and then we just started another completely unrelated business and
• 26:29
  You know
• 26:30
  Kind of getting to the point of like the entrepreneurial fits we're like okay, we need to focus back a little bit
• 26:36
  Wait, there's no way you have entrepreneurial ADD. There's no way
• 26:40
  Come on
• 26:43
  I've listened to some people who are like yeah, I've got eight businesses. Oh do you sleep, bro? No
• 26:50
  Yeah, that's impressive, but
• 26:53
  For is good for me. I'm good for right now. Okay, so final question
• 26:58
  What is your favorite podcast that you listen to that's
• 27:01
  It could be it could be a aesthetic related
• 27:04
  Rhinoplasty related or just whatever junk food like podcast junk food
• 27:09
  I feel basic, but I really like the diary of a CEO hey, I like him too
• 27:16
  And I pick through a little bit because some of the and it's my bias you with like the health care people some of them are really good
• 27:24
  And some of them I'm like yeah, I don't know
• 27:26
  So much data there is for that truly
• 27:29
  But I like a lot of the health related stuff like longevity and you know some the financial stuff and
• 27:36
  Some of the world views is interesting what people have to say and he had one with
• 27:42
  Four different experts on like menopause and perimenopause that was very interesting
• 27:46
  I think it's like a two-parter. That was really interesting because there's actual conversation about something there's
• 27:52
  Usually none. Oh, okay
• 27:56
  All right, so diary of the CEO and if you can pick like one one other one like like a true junk food you listen
• 28:03
  Do you what do you what does a plastic surgeon do when she's not listening to something or watching something seriously like really serious?
• 28:12
  Um, I'm listening to audiobooks on um financial
• 28:18
  Topics all right because I have zero education on that and I've realized oh you're 45 now like
• 28:26
  retirement is around the corner and unless you don't get it together and then you're gonna work forever
• 28:33
  So that's within what I've been doing lately. It's like more like audiobooks on
• 28:38
  planning for retirement and planning for you know
• 28:41
  How do you get the businesses running by themselves so you don't necessarily like just stop working
• 28:48
  But you elevate to a different position now well dr. Sturm
• 28:53
  Thank you so much for being a friend and client and for believing in speak podcasting and everybody
• 29:00
  Please watch
• 29:02
  If you're on YouTube you got to watch beauty unveiled
• 29:04
  She's got a whole category of a whole library of videos and if you don't do YouTube
• 29:09
  That's cool because she is all over apple and Spotify and um all over Instagram and if you do tic-toc you
• 29:18
  Please be nice
• 29:21
  It really is a flaming dumpster fire on there. It's different. Yes
• 29:25
  But thank you so much for being a part of the show. Thank you for having me