Latest / Steve Price / Steve Price | 4 July

Transcript

Steve Price | 4 July · Steve Price

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Live.
• 0:00
  Speaker 2: This is Steve Brice.
• 0:05
  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Steve Price Show. I'm Caroline Marcus filling
• 0:09
  Speaker 3: in for Steve. Coming up tonight. The PM gets defensive
• 0:13
  Speaker 3: when questioned on his failure to secure a meeting with
• 0:16
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. A child is suing, a politician who blasted
• 0:21
  Speaker 3: baby shark at COVID mandate protesters, and cartoonist Mark Knight
• 0:26
  Speaker 3: with his take on the stories of the week, but
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: first the news. This week a childcare worker had been
• 0:34
  Speaker 3: charged with seventy counts of child's sex abuse, including rape.
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: Has struck terror in the heart of every parent of
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: a young child. I should low I'm one of them,
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: as a mum of two young kids in care while
• 0:48
  Speaker 3: I work part time. Joshua Brown is accused of abusing
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: at least eight babies and toddlers between the ages of
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: five months and two years old. He also allegedly contaminated
• 1:02
  Speaker 3: the food of the kids under his care with bodily fluids.
• 1:07
  Speaker 3: Yet somehow Brown had managed to elude his colleagues, regulators
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: and authorities while working across twenty Melbourne centers.
• 1:18
  Speaker 4: Brown was not known to police prior to this investigation. However,
• 1:22
  Speaker 4: as soon as we identified he's alleged defending he was
• 1:25
  Speaker 4: removed from the community. He had a valid working with
• 1:29
  Speaker 4: Children check, which has since been canceled.
• 1:33
  Speaker 3: As you just heard he'd had a valid working with
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: Children check, no criminal record, he had a qualification in
• 1:41
  Speaker 3: early childhood education too, tick tick tick, But Brown was
• 1:46
  Speaker 3: also allegedly a predator. Twelve hundred parents are now rushing
• 1:51
  Speaker 3: to have their infants tested for sexually transmitted diseases. The
• 1:56
  Speaker 3: trauma and fear they must feel is unamass and this
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: disturbing news comes just two years after the arrest of
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: Ashley Paul Griffiths, another childcare worker ultimately convicted of more
• 2:10
  Speaker 3: than three hundred charges involving ninety two children in Brisbane
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: daycare centers. Everyone from industry experts to federal ministers and
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: now scrambling to find a quick fix. Do we ban
• 2:25
  Speaker 3: male childcare workers put CCTV cameras over nappy changing tables?
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: Could it be as simple as not allowing childcare workers
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: to keep their phones on them so they can't film
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: the abuse.
• 2:38
  Speaker 4: They recommend things like CCTV, like improving that Working with
• 2:43
  Speaker 4: Children check, like a national register of the people who
• 2:47
  Speaker 4: work in our childcare centers.
• 2:49
  Speaker 5: They're the sort of things we need to do.
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: And yes, it is imperative we urgently look at every
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: option on the table. But I think what's been largely
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: ignored in this debate is the over reliance on childcare
• 3:03
  Speaker 3: in our society in the first place, and this narrative
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: shoved down mother's throats that institutionalized care is what's best
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: for a young child. I vividly recall balling my eyes
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: out while looking at daycare centers online for my firstborn
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: when I was preparing to go back to work. I
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: couldn't imagine leaving him in a stranger's care, and no
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: matter the many wonderful educators working in the system, many
• 3:31
  Speaker 3: of whom I've now come to know and adore, it's
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: simply felt wrong. At the time. I ultimately postponed coming
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: back to work and avoided putting him and then my
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: daughter into care as long as possible. And I'm not
• 3:46
  Speaker 3: sharing all this to shame other moms. Many don't have
• 3:49
  Speaker 3: the financial option to stay home with their kids. But
• 3:53
  Speaker 3: shouldn't that raise the question of whether taxpayer funded subsidies
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: we better spent supporting women who do want that choice.
• 4:02
  Speaker 3: There's an entirely different conversation as well to be had
• 4:06
  Speaker 3: about why as a society we put caring for our
• 4:10
  Speaker 3: kids on a lower pedestal than rushing women back to
• 4:14
  Speaker 3: join the paid workforce. There's this sneering contempt for early
• 4:18
  Speaker 3: motherhood from those who push for concepts like universal childcare.
• 4:24
  Speaker 3: Take Kevin Rudd's daughter Jessica Rudd from the Parenthood addressing
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: the National Press Club at the end of twenty twenty three.
• 4:32
  Speaker 6: Their skills are left to atrophy on a playmap full
• 4:36
  Speaker 6: of duplo while their bills pile up. Can I say,
• 4:40
  Speaker 6: if you're sitting at home between a nap and your
• 4:42
  Speaker 6: next feed and watching this, you should have the confidence
• 4:46
  Speaker 6: to return and we need you back.
• 4:49
  Speaker 3: Ms Rudd also talked down the role of caring for
• 4:52
  Speaker 3: a young child, whether it be by their parents or grandparents.
• 4:57
  Speaker 6: The retirement dreams of cruises and cross words have been
• 5:01
  Speaker 6: gazumped by wiping bumbs and cutting up fruit.
• 5:04
  Speaker 7: Two days a.
• 5:04
  Speaker 3: Week, wiping bums and cutting up fruit, mother's brains turning
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: to mush atrophying. How do we get to the point
• 5:14
  Speaker 3: where women are applauded for turning their noses up at
• 5:18
  Speaker 3: what should be the most important role any of us
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: Moms and dads will play raising our young kids. Not
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: much has changed since Jessica Rod's speech, except there's now
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: a growing counter movement online called tradwives, women who glamorize
• 5:36
  Speaker 3: making bread and butter for their families from scratch, all
• 5:39
  Speaker 3: while perfectly dressed in an eye pleasing neutral aesthetic. Now
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: that's another extreme, and frankly, who has the time to
• 5:47
  Speaker 3: constantly film themselves while they're juggling kids. The truth is,
• 5:52
  Speaker 3: unless a child comes from a dysfunctional, abusive home, childcare
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: is no match for the love and care of a
• 6:00
  Speaker 3: primary caregiver, a mother. In most cases, let's say it aloud,
• 6:06
  Speaker 3: multiple studies have shown have been separated from a mother
• 6:09
  Speaker 3: at the doors of a childcare center raises the stress
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: levels in a child's brain. And now we're being confronted
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: by far more disturbing harms. As Virginia Tapscott, who's been
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: excellent on this issue rights in the Australian today, The
• 6:26
  Speaker 3: longer we can delay a child's entry into institutionalized care,
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: the more chance the child has of disclosing abuse quickly
• 6:36
  Speaker 3: or defending themselves. If we can't guarantee the safety of
• 6:40
  Speaker 3: children in these institutions, we must ensure families aren't captive
• 6:45
  Speaker 3: users of childcare that is unable to support themselves without
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: two incomes. Of course, we need to do what we
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: can to improve safety in these centers because many women,
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: myself included, will continue to need them. Still. It may
• 7:02
  Speaker 3: not be PC, but it's an inescapable reality. Removing young
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: children from their mums, particularly those who can't walk or
• 7:13
  Speaker 3: talk yet, will increase the risk predators are in a
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: position to prey on them. Well, joining me now to
• 7:24
  Speaker 3: discuss the latest on this disturbing story is Victorian Shadow
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: Education Minister Jess Wilson. Jess, thank you for your time.
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: It's been such a big week in your state, especially
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: on this story considering the accused defender is operated in Melbourne.
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: There have been many suggestions, as I pointed out there
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: in the editorial for cleaning up the childcare industry, and
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: you know I mentioned some of these banning blokes, banning
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: mobile phones, installing CCTV in bathrooms and a happy change areas.
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: But what reforms would you like to see?
• 8:01
  Speaker 8: Well, thanks so much Carolina from the outset. Can I
• 8:04
  Speaker 8: just share in absolute my dismay as to what has
• 8:07
  Speaker 8: been occurring this week As.
• 8:09
  Speaker 3: A mum like you.
• 8:11
  Speaker 8: My heart bleeds for the families who learned this week
• 8:14
  Speaker 8: that their children were subject to alleged abuse, and now
• 8:18
  Speaker 8: more than twelve hundred student children in Victoria are subject
• 8:22
  Speaker 8: to infectious disease testing. It almost makes you want to vomit.
• 8:27
  Speaker 8: It is just awful, and my heart goes out to
• 8:29
  Speaker 8: those families. But you're right, the system is not working.
• 8:34
  Speaker 8: There have been systemic failures and we now need to
• 8:37
  Speaker 8: see reform taken urgently, and that's why we've called this
• 8:42
  Speaker 8: week for the Victorian Labor Government to recall the parliament
• 8:46
  Speaker 8: to make sure that we can immediately put in place
• 8:49
  Speaker 8: reforms that will protect vulnerable children in childcare. And you've
• 8:53
  Speaker 8: spoken to some of them CCTV in childcare settings to
• 8:57
  Speaker 8: make sure that we have that deterrent and that the
• 9:00
  Speaker 8: police have what they need, God forbid, they need.
• 9:02
  Speaker 9: To follow up.
• 9:03
  Speaker 8: Of course, we want to see a register when it
• 9:06
  Speaker 8: comes to childcare workers. At the moment, you can work
• 9:10
  Speaker 8: in any childcare center in Victoria and if you're an
• 9:13
  Speaker 8: educator or a worker or just one of the staff members,
• 9:16
  Speaker 8: there's no registration system so you can move around. We
• 9:20
  Speaker 8: need a register to make sure that we can keep
• 9:22
  Speaker 8: a tab on where people are going and be alerted
• 9:25
  Speaker 8: to those red flags quickly so we can act on them.
• 9:28
  Speaker 8: We have seen time and time again recommendations from reviews
• 9:32
  Speaker 8: telling us that this is what we need, and the
• 9:34
  Speaker 8: government has failed to act.
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd think a register would be at the very
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: least and the sort of the simplest first step that
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: they a government could take on this issue and the
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: industry could take.
• 9:47
  Speaker 8: Look.
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: There's also been backlash over the appointment by the Allen
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: government of the former South Australian Labor Premier Jay weatherall
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: to lead Victoria's childcare inquiry. After all, let's remember that
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: whether Or was the leader during the worst child protection
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: failure in his state's history that included a care who
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: was convicted of abusing seven kids aged eighteen months to
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: three years old. Victorian Opposition leader Brad Batten has slammed
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: this appointment. Let's take a lesson.
• 10:20
  Speaker 9: Justin to Allen. If she won't do the right thing,
• 10:23
  Speaker 9: then I'll say to Jay Weather or you should do
• 10:25
  Speaker 9: the right thing, step down and move away from this.
• 10:28
  Speaker 9: You cannot think that the community will have faith in
• 10:31
  Speaker 9: the process when they've appointed a person to lead the investigation,
• 10:35
  Speaker 9: who was the one that oversaw the worst crisis and
• 10:38
  Speaker 9: was forced to apologize as the premier in South Australia.
• 10:41
  Speaker 9: It makes no sense, Jess.
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: I know you've also been critical of this appointment. Tell
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: us what your concerns are with it.
• 10:51
  Speaker 8: Well, what we've seen is the politicization of the urgent
• 10:55
  Speaker 8: review that the Allen Labour government has put in place.
• 10:58
  Speaker 8: They have chosen to appoint a political ally in former
• 11:01
  Speaker 8: Premier Jay Weatherall, someone who oversaw when he was premier,
• 11:04
  Speaker 8: the worst child protection issue in the state's history, instead
• 11:09
  Speaker 8: of focusing on what they need to do, and that
• 11:11
  Speaker 8: is restoring trust in the childcare system here in Victoria.
• 11:15
  Speaker 8: But instead, what the Premier has decided to do is
• 11:18
  Speaker 8: put in place a political ally in Jay Weatherall, who
• 11:21
  Speaker 8: will help manage the fallout of this. Rather than providing
• 11:25
  Speaker 8: the confidence that the review is going to deliver what
• 11:27
  Speaker 8: Victorian families expect and need from their government in terms
• 11:32
  Speaker 8: of safety in childcare centers. If we just look at
• 11:34
  Speaker 8: the working with Children's check history, the government was warned
• 11:38
  Speaker 8: in twenty twenty two by the Ombudsman that the system
• 11:41
  Speaker 8: was not up to scratch, yet they did nothing about it.
• 11:44
  Speaker 8: This is the issue, Caroline. We could recall Parliament today
• 11:48
  Speaker 8: and pass immediate reforms, but now we have in place
• 11:51
  Speaker 8: a politicized review there's going to take weeks to report,
• 11:55
  Speaker 8: rather than putting the safety of our children first and
• 11:58
  Speaker 8: acting now to put in place the or reforms that
• 12:01
  Speaker 8: will make sure that we are putting the appropriate safeguardrails
• 12:04
  Speaker 8: around our childcare centers.
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: Surely there's nothing more urgent than this. And you just
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: think of all these families, especially in Melbourne, who now
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: feel fearful of dropping their kids off at care just
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: because of these stories that are coming out. Surely they
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: can make this these reforms happen as soon as possible.
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: But look, let's move on now to your own party, Jess,
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: and leaked WhatsApp messages have revealed this internal war that's
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: brewing over gender quotas among senior Liberal figures. Look, the
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: party has obviously long been accused of having a women problem.
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: Now it appears there's a big divide over a petition
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: that was created to introduce gender quotas. You're a liberal woman,
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: you got there without quotas. But what's your view about them?
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: Do you think the party needs them? Now?
• 12:56
  Speaker 8: Well, I personally don't support quotas and I don't like
• 12:59
  Speaker 8: the bait being framed around quotas versus merit. I think
• 13:04
  Speaker 8: that we need to do a lot more to attract
• 13:06
  Speaker 8: women into the Parliament, to attract women into our own ranks,
• 13:09
  Speaker 8: and to make sure that we're reflecting modern Australia and
• 13:12
  Speaker 8: our local communities. But that's going to take a range
• 13:15
  Speaker 8: of different factors and we have to make sure that
• 13:17
  Speaker 8: all of our candidates are the best possible candidates and
• 13:21
  Speaker 8: that they reflect those local communities, whether that's gender, when
• 13:24
  Speaker 8: it's different backgrounds, whether it's different professions. That's what we
• 13:28
  Speaker 8: need to look at, and it's really really important that
• 13:30
  Speaker 8: we look at how we can attract those women in
• 13:33
  Speaker 8: particular to wanting to put their hand up for the
• 13:35
  Speaker 8: Liberal Party, wanting to be candidates. And I'm every Liberal MP,
• 13:39
  Speaker 8: everyone who's senior in Liberal Party has a role there
• 13:42
  Speaker 8: to play to identify those people, to help mentor them,
• 13:45
  Speaker 8: to help them into the party and ensure that we
• 13:48
  Speaker 8: do have a talent pipeline of strong women who want
• 13:51
  Speaker 8: to put the hand up for the pre selection process
• 13:53
  Speaker 8: and are well equipped when they do so.
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: Well JAS Forwtham, thank you so much for your time
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: and have a great weekend head Thanks Caroline. Let's go
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: to the conflict now in the Middle East, where Israel
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: has ramped up strikes on Gaza ahead of potential ceasefire talks.
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: It comes after Donald Trump has said he expects her
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: Mass to respond to a proposed sixty day truce with
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: Israel within twenty four hours. Joining me now to discuss
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: this and more strategic analysis Australia Director Michael Schubridge Michael, always,
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: great to see you now. According to reports in Arab media,
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: Hamas has given a positive response to this proposal. The
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: terror group says it's still discussing the details though with
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: other Palestinian factions. How likely do you think it is
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: that this deal will go ahead and what would it
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: look like if it does. Do you think would it
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: mean that har maass can remain in power?
• 14:51
  Speaker 10: Well, Caline, you've picked up one of the key sticking points.
• 14:54
  Speaker 10: I think there is a reasonable chance that a deal
• 14:57
  Speaker 10: will go ahead in the next little while, and that
• 15:01
  Speaker 10: looks like being something like a sixty days cease fire
• 15:05
  Speaker 10: with some words about negotiations to end the war as
• 15:09
  Speaker 10: part of that, and then a drip feed of a
• 15:12
  Speaker 10: very small number of remaining hostages.
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: Released over weeks.
• 15:17
  Speaker 10: But the two big sticking points one, Hamas has a
• 15:21
  Speaker 10: new hardline leader in Gaza, a guy called is Al
• 15:25
  Speaker 10: Din al Haddad. He's one of the last seventh of
• 15:28
  Speaker 10: October attack planners. He wants to end the war on
• 15:32
  Speaker 10: Hamas's terms. And Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel, in his government,
• 15:37
  Speaker 10: still want to end Hamas as an armed force that
• 15:40
  Speaker 10: controls Gaza. And those two, those two sticking points mean
• 15:45
  Speaker 10: this could all still fall apart.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just don't see how those two sides are
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: ever going to see Eida eye when the objective, the
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: main objective going into this war was to defeat Hamas
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: and obviously bring all the hostages back, and just doesn't
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: seem to be the case. But look, we'll see what happens.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump is set to host Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Nanna who at the White House on Monday. Trump has
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: already managed to secure a ceasefire deal between Israel and Iran.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: If he does somehow manage to pull off this sixty
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: day truce or a deal between Israel and Hamas, what
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: would that mean for his presidency?
• 16:25
  Speaker 10: I think it would be a great achievement, Caroline. Even
• 16:29
  Speaker 10: anti Trumps would have to agree that setting back Iran's
• 16:33
  Speaker 10: regional ambitions to dominate the Middle East and setting back
• 16:37
  Speaker 10: its nuclear program is a real net positive and it
• 16:41
  Speaker 10: opens up other opportunities for reproachment between Arab states and Israel.
• 16:47
  Speaker 10: But not while Gaza is still happening. So a Gaza
• 16:50
  Speaker 10: cease fire in a path to when that conflict could
• 16:53
  Speaker 10: cause some big political change, a positive political change in
• 16:58
  Speaker 10: the Middle East. There's some hope around this.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Surely he'd have to be nominated for a Nobel Peace
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Prize or something after that. But let's go to another conflict.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin have spoken over the
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: phone for nearly an hour, according to Trump, only a
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: day after the US froze the supply of some critical
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: missiles to Ukraine. Now, Putin reportedly told Trump that he
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: wants to settle the root causes of the conflict without
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: backing down on his own goals. What do you think
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: this means, Michael, for the war in Ukraine.
• 17:36
  Speaker 10: Well, there's no peace prize coming for Trump in Ukraine.
• 17:41
  Speaker 10: Putin is very consistent. What he means by the root
• 17:43
  Speaker 10: causes is why he's in this war. He wants to
• 17:47
  Speaker 10: end it as exactly as he proposed from the start,
• 17:50
  Speaker 10: which is conquering whole chunks, if not all, of Ukraine,
• 17:54
  Speaker 10: demilitarizing any remaining chunk, and establishing Russia as the controller
• 18:01
  Speaker 10: of the Ukrainian people. After a horrific war, he doesn't
• 18:05
  Speaker 10: want to take a step back. He's preparing new offensives.
• 18:08
  Speaker 10: The timing of Trump pausing and reversing things like Patriot
• 18:12
  Speaker 10: missiles that are so essential for protecting Ukrainian civilians from
• 18:15
  Speaker 10: Russian missiles just before they have the conversation is only
• 18:20
  Speaker 10: going to encourage Perotin.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Well, this afternoon we learn that Russia has launched drone
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: attacks on Kiev, so things aren't quining down by any means.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: What will this mean for the next stage of the conflict.
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: Well, it encourages the Russian military to continue with their
• 18:40
  Speaker 10: offensives against the Ukrainian military and the Ukrainian people. It'll
• 18:45
  Speaker 10: put a lot of pressure on the Europeans to step
• 18:47
  Speaker 10: up weapon supplies, but they can't replace things like the
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: Patriot interceptors that are so vital for protecting Ukraine. So
• 18:57
  Speaker 10: I think there'll be increasing pressure on Trump to RelA
• 19:00
  Speaker 10: at least those vital defensive weapons to the Ukrainians, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: we'll still see the Ukrainians being the most courageous and
• 19:08
  Speaker 10: creative military in Europe.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Michael Schubridge always appreciate your insights. Thanks so much for
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: your time. Now after the break, an important New Zealand
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: legal case against tact excus to disperse anti mandate protesters
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: during the COVID pandemic and you won't believe what some
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: of them were. Plus, the PM was not happy when
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: pressed on his failure to secure a meeting with the
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: US President. Welcome back, Well, a fascinating case. We'll go
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: before New Zealand's High Court for the first time on Monday.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: A child is suing the then Speaker of the House,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Trevor Mallard, for weaponizing the catchy song Baby Shark against
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: anti mandate protesters during the COVID pandemic. Here's some more
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: of the dramatic scenes from that huge protest at New
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Zealand Parliament in twenty twenty two from a documentary by Orenzed.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: But this new lawsuit involves a girl who was eleven
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: at the time of these protests, and she's accusing Sir
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Mallard of blasting songs that she liked, including Baby Shark
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: and Let It Go from Frozen at high volume whilst
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: soaking her with water, soaking her and other protesters, causing
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: her mental anguish, humiliation, degradation and dehumanization. Joining me now
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: is the barrister representing that girl, Tudor, Cleet Tudor, thanks
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: so much for your time tonight. Look, these are certainly
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: unusual techniques to move people on, although I do remember
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: when I was a Cadet reporter a long time ago,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I broke a story about a Sydney council trying to
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: detract houns from a car park by blasting Barry Manilow tunes.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: But what exactly is Sir Mallard being sued for here
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: in this case?
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: So his office is being sued for interfering with her
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: right to protest as well as her rate to be
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: free from cruel and degrading treatment. Well makes it different
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: from the example you gave. This is a military technique
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: to blast music. It's actually so to interest. It's been
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: banned in Europe for over fifty years, and the first
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: and last time it's been intentionally used on children for
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: this case was actually in Waco, Texas in nineteen ninety three.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Look, it's incredible, and I certainly didn't know the history
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: about using music in military techniques. There's also been a
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: suggestion that Sir Mallard knew that he would be flooding
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: human waste on protesters by turning on sprinklers onto them.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Tell us more about that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so the plan was to flood the grounds to
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: soak their tents from beneath them. A week after, he
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: actually gloated in the media that he was aware there
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: was excrement on the grounds and that the sprinklers would
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: be flooding through that excrement. And this was in spite
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: of knowing that there were between one hundred and two
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: hundred other children at that protest on those grounds and
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: many of them sleeping in those tents.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Look disturbing suggestions there about flooding excrement, especially where children
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: are involved. What is your clients seeking here? What are
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: you going to be asking for monetary damages and apology?
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: She's seeking compensation, but also a declaration from the court
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: that her rates were breached, and that's important to her
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: because she doesn't want this to happen to any other child.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: In New Zealand, and the court case has the potential
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: to protect children in other countries or other common law
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: countries as well.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Now, look, as we saw in some of the scenes
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: of that documentary we just showed viewers that there appeared
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: to be some very violent clashes with authorities, people in
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: the middle of the street, very physical. Do you think
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: a court would have sympathy for how authorities acted and
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: doing what they could to sort of control that environment,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: even if it involves playing loud music and water sprinklers
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: and human waste.
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: I'm glad you showed that footage because that was actually
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: from after Sir Trevor Mallard started interfering with the protesters.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: It wasn't the authorities that did this. The police were
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: actually in charge of managing the protest, which was peaceful,
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: and the Police Commissioner is on record we're begging Sir
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: Trevor Mallard to not use sound and water on the
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: protesters because at risked depriving them of sleep, having them
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: not thinking rationally and putting a scene like you just
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: saw bossiedly erupting, and he explicitly told the Police commissioner
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: he didn't care and he was going to do it anyway,
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: and I think you've just shown what the result of
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: that was.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, And look, having a case like this in
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: the courts, there were a lot of anti mandate protests
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: here in Australia as well that looking back now we
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: can see that the grounds for introducing these mandates and
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: introducing these really tough measures perhaps weren't there that the
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: government's thought would be the case. Do you think that
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: this could open the floodgate, so to speak, for other cases,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: both in New Zealand and potentially here as well, for
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: other people who want to perhaps take action against how
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: they were treated for protesting these mandates.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: Well, look, I think the issue for us is it
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: doesn't matter what you're protesting. If you're a child and
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: you're protesting anything, you should not be having a speaker
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: of the House of your Parliament flooding you with excrement
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: and blasting you with the blasting you with the military technique.
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: So it's really not confined to that issue. And if
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: other people consider that, it may open upright so them,
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: We're happy with that, but ultimately they should protect everybody
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: irrespective of their views.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, it's a super interesting case. Hopefully we can
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: keep in touch and see how it goes through the courts.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: But Tuticle, thank you so much for your time in
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: explaining it all to us. Now to Anthony Albanize's economic agenda.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: The PM was the keynote speaker Sky News Australia's Economic
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Outlook Forum today and he says it's time to get
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: back to business, calling for less government involvement and for
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: business to drive economic growth.
• 25:38
  Speaker 11: In a strong, dynamic and productive economy. Government should be
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: a driver of growth, but not the driver of growth,
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: facilitating private sector investment and job creation, not seeking to
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: replace it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Critics say it's too little, too late amid cost of
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: living and sluggish productivity. Joining me now to discuss this
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: and more. Former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman Campbell always great
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: to see you. Do you think is this a genuine
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: reform push or is this just then?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Well, when I was eating my breakfast, Leger might taste
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: style Almost choked with this belief, I have to say,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: because sadly this government over the last three years has
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: done a whole range of things to make life very
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: difficult for business in this country, but particularly small and
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: medium sized businesses who don't have the wherewith all the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: financial resources to deal with much of the bureaucracy and
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: red tape that's been introduced. But look, if the Prime
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Minister really wants to do this, fantastic. If Jim Chalmers
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: is serious about productivity improvements and dealing with this issue,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: that's fantastic as well. But frankly they better start listening.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, they could start by listening on this unrealized
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: gains on super balances over three midion dollars. And that's important, Caroline,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: because he just talked about in your grab about investment.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I'm an investor with my wife in small startup companies.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: We've done so through our super fund in the last
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: ten years. We will never invest again because and I
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: won't get into all the details now because it just
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: simply won't work anymore. Another example that the Prime Minister
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: should be getting onto is the regulators. You've got OSTRAK,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you've got ASK in particular, you've got OPRA, and you've
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: got the ATO to a certain extent, and Treasury in
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the background always pushing for more regulation. Right now, the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: head of ASK, Joe Longo, is in complete defiance the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Parliamentary inquiry into the issue of investment by sophisticated investors
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: continue to advocate what the bipartisan committee, led by Labor
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Senator Deborah O'Neil actually said they shouldn't do. So these
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: are just a few quick examples. Look, the Prime Minister
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: would have my one hundred percent support if he and
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Jim Charmers get real about this.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I look forward to well look against a backdrop of
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: all of this. Industry leaders are also urging the Prime
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Minister to stand firm in trade talks with the US,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: as Donald Trump's looming tariff spark fresh uncertainty for Australian exporters.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Now despite some global deals being struck, local business groups
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: say we must have fed our national interest and refuse
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: to weaken by a security or other key protections. A
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: bit difficult since we haven't been able to get a
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: meeting between our Prime Minister and the President. And we
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: had a very defensive response from the PM today when
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: he was asked if he'd received a phone call on
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: this from the President? Is there something wrong here?
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Where's your phone call from Donald Trump?
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: And this?
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: I've had three, I've had three, But am I just
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: courteous of him not to call you? I'm not worried
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: by someone making understandable decision, which he did to return
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: to Washington. One of the things that we've got to do, Andrew,
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: and if you compare it with some media overseas, is
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: we've got to stop talking Australia down.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Got to stop talking Australia down. Campbell. That means stop
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: talking Olbow down. How tough do you think you can
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: afford to get here? When he does get a meeting
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: or a phone call with Trump, you can just sort
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: of see Trump walking all over him.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Well, firstly, Australia doesn't really need to give away anything
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: because we reached the free trade agreement some years ago
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and made very significant concessions. And I used to work
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: in agri business about twenty years ago, and I just
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: know how important the bio security arrangements are, for example. Sadly,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the problem is we don't have a lot of bargaining chips.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: We've got obviously a Prime minister and an ambassador in
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Washington who've been made negative comments about the President in
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the past. We're not stepping up to the plate as
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the US are demanding in terms of defense. So I
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: think we've got to know. I think We've got to
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: put some things like that on the table to actually
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: get Washington's attention if we're to get somewhere with this.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially since Trump is all about the art of
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: the deal. Now, the federal government has locked in a
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: massive seven point one billion dollar deal to fund the
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Brisbane twenty thirty two Olympics, with stadium construction already underway,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: but critics are questioning such a hefty price tag in
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: these tough economic times. Campbell, you've been vocal about Olympics spending.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Only last week we had Noel Pearson writing a piece
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: saying Brisbane just wasn't much fit for a global sports
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: event like this. Do you think this deal will silence
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: some of the naysayers?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess I'm a Naysayah, whon't silence me, particularly
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: because what we're seeing is the original inner city Park
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: of Brisbane, meant to be there for the people for
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: all time, being totally destroyed. The government has spun this
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: that there's going to be thirteen or fourteen percent taken
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: for a stadium that's complete. Tommy Rott, it's now on
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the calculations that are the activist group have made about
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: sixty six percent of the state of the green space
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: going probably twelve hundred to fifteen hundred trees in the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: north section of the park alone being destroyed. They're building
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the National aquat etc. In an area on the south
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: side of the park, which even the Game's Infrastructure Committee
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: didn't recommend that. And as for the price tag, you
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: know we're talking about, you know, the Olympics not being
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: the cheap and cheerful, inexpensive Olympics that were pitched to
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: us by Lord Bear Graham Quirk and the mayors of
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Southeas Queens.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: And when they went out to.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Get this, that's what they said, we'd use existing infrastructure.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Where's all that gone. We're now heading for I reckon
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a fifteen bidding dollar total bill for these Olympics. You
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: can you can almost count on that, sadly, but really
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: one of the most egregious thing is the destruction of
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the park. And now with this financial commitment, guess what,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister Caroline and the Australian Labor Party are
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: complicit in the destruction of the park. They're also complicit
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: in the destruction of Aboriginal cultural heritage because this was
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: a very important site for Aboriginal people and that is
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: historical fact, absolute historical fact, and that's just being swept
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: away by this move. So I'm very sad, very distressed,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: as you can tell by this funding commitment and what's
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of irony in that for everything
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: the government does to protect these indigenous sites and then
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: to go ahead with this. Campbell Newman will follow up
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: on this story, but thank you for your time tonight
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: after the break, the Week in cartoons with Mark Knight,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: plus a new South Wales school principle forced to defend
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: a reference to God in an acknowledgment of country that's
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: coming up. Welcome back. Joining me now to discuss the
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: big stories of the week is Harold's son, cartoonist Mark Knight. Mark,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: great to have you on the show. Let's talk about
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: this cartoon you did, and you've done a few on
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Jacenter Alan this week, but this one in particular of
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Justasenter Alan welcoming the Victorian Voice to Parliament with a
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: smoking ceremony. Talk to us about that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Yes, well, you know we've discovered that well in twenty
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: twenty three, I guess the Australian public voted the Voice
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: down and I think Jacinda is completely disregarding the voice
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: of the Australian people here by trying to establish a
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: voice in Victoria. And you know, it's one of those
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: issues that you can't believe they would try to do this.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: And I thought, how can I represent this? And I mean,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: we're down here in Victoria. The smoking ceremonies and welcome
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: to country are very popular, and so I thought she
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: might initiate a smoking ceremony. But in this case it's
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: putting a torch to the results of the voice referendum.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and that is a smoking ceremony al right here,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: just completely pouring petrol over the whole thing and going
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: up in flames. It's very good. You've got a similar,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: similar theme going with this next cartoon. You've got the
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: premiere Sneaking the Boys in via the back door of Parliament.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Love the imagery there of an indigenous snake or a lizard.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: You've got to tell us about this one that.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Is actually the rainbow serpent.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Sorry, that just shows how culturally ignorant.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: I don't want to lecture you on Indigenous culture, but
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: this is actually for Steve Price's column in to tomorrow's
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: herold Suton as you know, Steve never holds back, and
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: he was quite upset about this sort of I guess,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: back door, back dooring the of the Voice into the
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Victorian Parliament. And they're talking about giving water rights to
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: the fund and the funding and the profits from water
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: rights to indigenous people, and of course the rainbow serpent
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: does is a symbol of water, and that's why I've
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: used in this case. And I can only imagine the
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: parliamentarians when they see this giant serpent crawling into the
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: top of the floor of the Victorian Parliament. There may
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: be mayhem, Yes.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: There might be. I mean it just still it beggars
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: belief because every state voted against this in the referendum,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: including Victorian. Yet here it is sneaking in. Look, there's
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: nothing funny about the childcare story that's dominated headlines this week.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: But I found this cartoon that you've done to illustrate
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: this really poignant. I can imagine it would be difficult
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: for a cartoonist to tackle something like child abuse in
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: a cartoon.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, a terrible story, a horrific story. And
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: when I heard it, I thought, you know, there are
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: no laughs here. How am I going to cover this?
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: But I felt my readers would want me to say
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: something about it, and yeah, so what I thought I
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: would do is just exemplify that horror that we all
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: felt by putting the cartoon in a childcare center and
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: having one of I guess one of the symbols of
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: a childcare center is the Teddy bear bearing witness to
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: these alleged atrocities happening in a child care center. And
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: it's a simple cartoon, but I think it demonstrates the
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: horror we all felt.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: It is simple, but it is so powerful. Mark like that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Really as a mom, I look at that and it
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: just really tugs at my heartstrings. I think you've encapsulated
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: that horror perfectly.
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: There.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Look, let's go back to something with a little bit
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: more humor in it, and it's this one. You illustrate
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: why Anthony Albanu he may not actually be in such
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: a hurry to get to his meeting with Donald Trump.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: I think albow there is he may have a bit
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: of reticence after seeing Vladimir Zelenski, and I think Cyril
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: rama Poser was on CV end. I don't call it
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: the oval office. I call it the octagon because when
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: a politician goes in there you are at the mercy
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: of the Trump regime. And of course in this cartoon
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: there's Pete Heggsath Trumpy and of course jd Vance with
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: the boxing gloves on, and the hot seat is waiting
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: for elbow. And believe you me, there may be a
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: few tough questions about the funding of the Australian Armed Forces.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, I think so. I know you've drawn them perfectly.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I knew instantly who Pete Hagseth and Jadi Banns were
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: supposed to be. And I love that little details like
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: the golfing trophy that you've got in the background there,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: it's beautiful. Finally another one of Just Center Alan. This
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: time you've sent up her soaring pay packet. Tell us
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: about this one.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Well, Ja Center is the highest paid premiere in the nation.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: And Victorians, I guess we'll be asking are we getting
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: value for money? Because we have the greatest debt. We're
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: underperforming in so many areas, you know, major projects, way
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: over budget. But we have this little bridge in Melbourne
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: in South Melbourne, called them the Montague Street Bridge, and
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: it takes out truck I think it took out three
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: trucks this week, and so it gave me an idea.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: What if we had the highest paid premiere met the
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: low opinions of politicians in Victoria and you can see
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: what's going to happen there.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Carolyn, I think you've generously put the lower opinions of
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: politicians at three meters. I dare say it would be
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: a lot lower than that in real life. Mark Night,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: thank you so much. I always love hearing from cartoonists.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I think they're the brightest journalists we've got. Really, I
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: appreciate your time. After the break, Donald Trump continues his
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: winning streak with the Big Beautiful bill passing Congress. Plus,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: should the boss at Creative Australia get the boot? Our
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Friday Night panel will have their say next Welcome back.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in our Friday Night panelist, Communications specialist Panell
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: McGinnis and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand. Welcome to Lovely
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: to see you now. First, I just wanted to bring
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: you some fresh testimony that's just been given by cricket
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: journalist Peter Lawler, who was stood down by radio broadcaster
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: SCN earlier this year after his prolific anti Israel posts
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: on X made some Jewish listeners feel unsafe. Mister Lawla
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: has given evidence at a new South Wales parliamentary inquiry
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: into anti Semitism.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: People's livelihoods and careers are on the line. A simple
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: innocent tweet can cost them so much. The weaponization and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: abuse of the term anti sim has been used to
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: gag criticism of an indefensively im moral Above Barrett campaign.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Now, last week it was reported that cricketer Usman Khawaja
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: is now boycotting that station as a result of mister
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Laula's sacking. Joe, I do find it curious. I mean,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: we've got him being canceled, Usman canceling.
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: The radio station.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: It's curious. It's a cancel. I can't keep up. But
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I do find it curious that the left and this
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: anti Israel movement now suddenly no longer fans of the
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: cancel culture movement.
• 40:35
  Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I think that is if I'm not a
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: fan of cancel culture on no matter which side the
• 40:39
  Speaker 12: axe falls on. And and I'm not a big fan
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: of boycotts either, but if people want to do that,
• 40:45
  Speaker 12: that's fine. But I just find this debate it's just
• 40:48
  Speaker 12: so strange the way it seems to I just send
• 40:52
  Speaker 12: people off the reservation and and and seem to justify
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: language like things sneak through in this debate that you
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: would never ever ever tolerate in any other sphere on
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: any other issue. And you look at what happened at Glastonbury,
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: for example, where you had ax going death death the
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: idea for you had another act that had previously said
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: upper mass up hezbela. If this, if this was applied
• 41:15
  Speaker 12: to any other terrorist organization, can you imagine if someone
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: went to a music vessel set up up the ku
• 41:20
  Speaker 12: Klux Klan, you know, just think about it, or up
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: up al Qaeder. It's just it's it's mind boggling. And
• 41:27
  Speaker 12: so my thought, I don't want to see Peter Laula canceled.
• 41:31
  Speaker 12: And I think, you know, people should be free as
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: long as they're not inciting violence to say whatever they want.
• 41:37
  Speaker 12: But the verteberativeness of the debate I think is crazy.
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: And I would also sort of say, what do people
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: who you know feel the need to sort of get
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: their gun off on social media? And this is why
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: not there anymore? But what do they feel they're accomplishing, Like,
• 41:51
  Speaker 12: what is the actual purpose is it to actually help
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: the Palestinians or is it to show people how right
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: on you are? What are incredibly switched on compassionate.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I think you nailed it there, and I think that's
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: that's what I think. It's such an interesting topic for
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: the reasons that Joe brings up. And I'm not a
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: fan of cancel culture either, but you see someone posting
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: prolifically on excit is going to affect how the audience
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: views them as well, of.
• 42:17
  Speaker 13: Course, of course, and to Joe's point, what do they
• 42:20
  Speaker 13: think they're achieving? You know, a lot of this type
• 42:22
  Speaker 13: of posting is really social preening. They're showing what a
• 42:25
  Speaker 13: great person I am. And it's not actually intended to
• 42:29
  Speaker 13: change anybody's mind. It's not intended to further the debate.
• 42:33
  Speaker 13: It is just this sort of position taking which is
• 42:36
  Speaker 13: about their personal brand. And that is what makes it
• 42:40
  Speaker 13: actually offensive in this because he's not trying to find
• 42:42
  Speaker 13: out more about the situation, he's not trying to to
• 42:46
  Speaker 13: even have a discussion, a rational discussion. He's just putting
• 42:49
  Speaker 13: out those tweets, which I would prefer that you know
• 42:53
  Speaker 13: that we could have these discussions, but social media doesn't
• 42:57
  Speaker 13: seem to be conducive to them, and at some point
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: you do have to say, well, if this is the
• 43:02
  Speaker 13: public face you're putting out there, our channel does or
• 43:04
  Speaker 13: does not want to be associated with that.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And companies and broadcasters have the right to
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: make that decision too. I find it curious that it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: been all part of an anti semitism inquiry, but there
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: you go. Look along a similar theme theme, there's also
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: been a complete backflip by Creative Australia in reinstating artist
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Colored Subsabi as the country's representative at the Venice B
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: and LA. There have been calls for Creative Australia CHIP
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: executive Adrian Kalett to resign out Joe This bloke's past
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: works feature that now killed Hesbela, Lida Hassan Israla and
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: nine to eleven attacks with the words thank you very much.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: The artist says it's not the case, but many people,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: and I don't think this is unreasonable, saw these works
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: as glorifying terrorism. Do you think he's really the best
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: person to represent us? Yeah, it's sort of.
• 43:58
  Speaker 12: It's a public getting their revenge on Postmond, isn't it,
• 44:00
  Speaker 12: Because now we are told subjective it is in the
• 44:04
  Speaker 12: eye of the beholder. It's the death of the author.
• 44:07
  Speaker 12: It is the viewer who decides what something means. And
• 44:11
  Speaker 12: clearly a whole bunch of people have seen this and
• 44:14
  Speaker 12: thought this clearly glorifies a terrorist leader or clearly lionized him.
• 44:19
  Speaker 12: There is I think, though, another interpretation. The straw that
• 44:23
  Speaker 12: really broke the camel's back for Subsabi was when it
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: turned out there was this other piece on his website
• 44:30
  Speaker 12: which had George W. Bush going thank you very much,
• 44:33
  Speaker 12: thanks very much, in relation to the September eleven attacks.
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: And my interpretation when I saw that was this is
• 44:41
  Speaker 12: actually a commentary that George W. Bush is actually glad
• 44:46
  Speaker 12: that this happened because it's given him the justification to
• 44:50
  Speaker 12: invader Raq, which he secretly wanted to do all along.
• 44:53
  Speaker 12: That was what I thought. The narrative was a fairly
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: typical sort of left wing think, Oh, this is what
• 44:57
  Speaker 12: the rebubs always wanted. Will be that, and I think
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: it probably still is that. But again, that's not necessarily
• 45:06
  Speaker 12: celebrating terrorism or praising it. In fact, I think the
• 45:09
  Speaker 12: artist's argument is that he's saying Al Qader are idiots
• 45:14
  Speaker 12: for playing into Republicans' secret wishes and playing into their hands.
• 45:19
  Speaker 12: Now again, I think that take is a bit bizarre.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: But but you know, again we're getting very, very big.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: But I take I take your point, Joe. I just
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: wonder Partell in this climate of increasing anti Semitism, where
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Jewish creatives are getting dogs. I've spoken to Jewish artists
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: who say they can't show their work. Was he the
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: best person to be chosen in the first place? And
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: is this reinstatement a good or bad thing?
• 45:46
  Speaker 13: Well, no, he shouldn't have been chosen in the first place,
• 45:49
  Speaker 13: quite simply based on you know, if you're in the middle. Well, sorry,
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: let me back up a little bit. What is government
• 45:56
  Speaker 13: doing funding the arts? Is the question? Is the fundamental
• 45:59
  Speaker 13: question for me on this this You're always going to
• 46:02
  Speaker 13: run into problems like this when you have government funding
• 46:04
  Speaker 13: behind the arts, because the government then has to make
• 46:08
  Speaker 13: a value statement about the various ways in which artists
• 46:11
  Speaker 13: express themselves, and you're always verging on the propaganda. So,
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: you know, anything which might be you know, ambiguous, as
• 46:20
  Speaker 13: Joe was describing, all of a sudden, the moment the
• 46:23
  Speaker 13: government puts money behind it directly or indirectly becomes a
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: form of propaganda and becomes therefore more questionable, so they
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: they shouldn't have chosen him. From that perspective, I make
• 46:34
  Speaker 13: no judgment on his artistic merit. Personally, I think that
• 46:38
  Speaker 13: looking at the U art work where he showed the
• 46:42
  Speaker 13: terrorist again and again, if you put Hitler in that position,
• 46:46
  Speaker 13: you wouldn't you know, it would have been a no Branner.
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: You wouldn't have you know, that artwork would have been objectionable.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: In fact, we've had Kanye West who's been.
• 46:56
  Speaker 12: Take it back. Imagine if he did it with Benjamin
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: and Yahoo, if you can still be the ambassador the
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: vianalo well.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, look at Joe. I wanted to get his
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: portrait of a Jewish community leader into the Archibald. I
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: want to just touch on these two topics very quickly,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: because I did tell people they're coming up so quick
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: answers on both of them. But an independent school principle
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: on Sydney's Northern Beaches has stood by his Christian take
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: on the acknowledgment of country. Some students found it problematic.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Tim Watson has been saying this for five years.
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: Joe.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: He says, as we gather on these ancestral lands, we
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: acknowledge God, our heavenly father, who made the heavens and
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: the earth. He entrusted this land to the traditional owners,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: and it is to him that we are all responsible
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: for its current stewardship. Do you see anything wrong with it?
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: Anyone who calls anything problematic, I'm automatically opposed to.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: You find that problem.
• 47:48
  Speaker 12: I find that very very problematic. The idea that people
• 47:51
  Speaker 12: have there. You know, it's such a horrible kind of
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: weasel word, but the idea that people that's a bit problem.
• 47:57
  Speaker 12: You don't know as much as men. You need to
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: educate yourself because you're a bit problem anyone who uses
• 48:01
  Speaker 12: that word.
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: So wasn't it a beautiful tribute? I mean I actually
• 48:04
  Speaker 13: read those and I thought that is a really beautifully
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: woven together.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: He's still anology traditional. There was not a word out
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: of place.
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: I would just say, I analyze that thinking which of
• 48:14
  Speaker 13: the words could be problematic, and none of them are?
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Big Bill, very quickly, Jew it's passed through Compress. What's
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: your take.
• 48:22
  Speaker 13: I've looked at it and I think, other than the
• 48:25
  Speaker 13: price tag, it seems quite good. So that's what these
• 48:28
  Speaker 13: things always come down to. Like, Actually, the balance of
• 48:33
  Speaker 13: taxes being removed and things being invested in seems to
• 48:36
  Speaker 13: make sense to me. So I will say Jerry's out
• 48:41
  Speaker 13: on Donald Trump. You know, at some point we're going
• 48:43
  Speaker 13: to have a bit of a reckoning on him, and
• 48:45
  Speaker 13: it's not just yet, but he may turn out to
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: have been quite an effective president.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. Thank you both for your time.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Up next is Rowan Dean. That's it for me, but
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I will see you right here next week and all
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: week on the Candy Report.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: That's