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Episode 11 - Built Not Thirsty: How Real Bulls Lead with Respect (ft Tony, owner of the Midwest Bulls) · The Bull Brotherhood

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go. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another
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informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast.
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I'm one third of your podcast team, the Sigma
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male himself, Brian Morgan, along with my beautiful
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family, the lovely Siren. Hello. Say what's up,
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beautiful. All right, all right. And of course,
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her lovable husband. And my brother from another
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mother. I call him nephew. The one and only Socrates.
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What's good, y 'all? What's good? What's good?
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What's good? And again, welcome to another podcast.
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Ladies and gentlemen, now we have a gentleman
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here, a seasoned bull, who is a very, very good
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friend of the lovely Siren. So she is going to
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be directing this show tonight. But first of
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all, the gentleman hails from Detroit, Michigan.
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All right. He is not only a party promoter, but
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he's also the group owner of Midwest Bulls. I
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say again, the group owner of Midwest Bulls.
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He has 14 years of experience in this lifestyle,
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and I'm proud to call him a member of the Bull
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Brotherhood. Ladies and gentlemen, again, from
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Detroit, Michigan, welcome, Tony. Hey, how's
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everybody doing tonight? I appreciate the invite.
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We're doing good. We're doing very good, and
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we are so glad to have you here tonight, okay?
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I'm going to need help. I'm going to nearly turn
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this over to Siren. This is her world and not
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her show. So beautiful. Go ahead and take over
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this. Well, it is absolutely an honor, especially
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since I found out only two minutes ago that I
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was going to be running this thing. But as a
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type A firstborn female, I think I got this covered.
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Thank you. Outstanding. Well, Tony. I was joking
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that I had to bribe you to come on, but I think
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it was just a few dirty pictures and spreading
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my cheeks or something like that. So nothing
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too tedious. But I met Tony at Splash Mocha a
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few years ago now, and right away he invited
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me to be a part of one of his gang bangs. what
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better way to introduce yourself and meet someone
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than naked with six dudes. Like I loved it. It
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was a great introduction. So, but we're not here
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to talk about me. We're here to talk about you,
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Tony, and like your journey into the lifestyle
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and becoming the bull that you are today with
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all that experience. So let's just get this show
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started. When did you first realize that you
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weren't built for monogamy and what did that
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awakening feel like? I really wouldn't say that
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I'm not built for monogamy. I jumped into the
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lifestyle. It was based because I'm prior military
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and I jumped into the lifestyle because whenever
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I would transfer from one state to another state.
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i was i wasn't in a relationship so basically
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i was between relationships and then because
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then so i got myself comfortable with where i
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was at or i got into a relationship and then
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recently i would say within the last 10 years
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i've basically just been doing full -blown lifestyle
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things you know before i was off and on when
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i was out of town in a different state i would
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go entertain go go to events and check out the
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local flavor and taste of excitement and since
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i've moved back home to detroit i've been you
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know wonderful full blown into it and it's it's
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just it cuts away a lot of the guessing games
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i guess people would say that you know the whole
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um dating aspect of it trying to size someone
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out feel someone out stuff like that We all know
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what we're here for, and we want to all have
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fun. Yeah, it cuts out a lot of the ambiguity,
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and I like it because I can just get straight
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to the point, which is kind of who I am. Like
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you said, what we're here for. You don't have
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to beat around the bush unless you want to. Some
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people enjoy longer conversations. Other people
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are DTF, and there's something for everybody
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in this lifestyle. Right. So just tell us a little
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bit about, you know, you said you got into it
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with the military and all of that. Tell us about
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your first lifestyle experience. Who was involved
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and how did that go? I was in California and
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during this time frame, I was stationed on board
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a ship and we were going through a inspection
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cycle and me being the excellent leader that
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i am whenever the specter was on board i was
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keeping busy while my people was funneling through
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the inspection so he wasn't paying attention
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to all the stuff they weren't doing and um we
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just got to talking and it was a week -long inspection
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he was like hey what you got going on friday
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friday night i said nothing else going on he's
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like well we i'm hosting this party up in um
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la why don't you come up and i was in san diego
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so it's like our hour drive Right. Because, like,
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you got some people coming down from Vegas and
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L .A., and, you know, we got a hotel party. I
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said, cool, I'm there. You know, give me the
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address. And when I showed up, it was a lifestyle
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party. He didn't tell me there was a lifestyle
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party prior to getting there when I showed up.
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And it was a lifestyle party. And I was like,
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oh, this is my type of party. You know, everyone
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always feels and thinks that way. And I was like,
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oh, okay, this is a whole lot going on. And it
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was interesting, you know, for the first time.
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And that exposed me to it. And after that exposure
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to it, my best friend, well, good friend at the
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time, I was in the middle of transferring. He
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was like, yo, check out this site. and i was
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like okay what's that is that he's like this
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is a site where people go and they link up with
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like -minded people that want to get down and
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you know say you can find some some freaks in
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the area that you're going to blah blah blah
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i was like okay so that's like i jumped on the
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online sites and then from there it's been all
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wide open systems go did you did you know no
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turning back Did you feel comfortable immediately
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when you stepped into that party? Like this is
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meant to happen. This is who I am. At first I
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did, you know, all males, they feel cocky. Oh,
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okay. I'm going to get down. But then, you know,
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after you sit there and stuff like that, you
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realize, hold on, this is, I'm just not a whip
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it out, pop up and jump into action type of guy.
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So, you know, I had to get comfortable with it,
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have to sit around and watch for a minute and
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see what everybody else was doing. And then,
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you know what I'm saying, get myself comfortable
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to the scene and all the other types of stuff.
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You know, and like I said, it was more dudes
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than females. So, you know, you have to get used
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to other dudes running around, you know, butt
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naked, you know, used to that type of setting
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and stuff like that. So you're like, oh, man,
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okay. So, you know, when you're doing that, everybody,
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you're mentally judging inside and everybody's
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like, oh, okay. um all right what's going on
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you know how how am i gonna fit in and what am
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i gonna do then then you start interacting with
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the females and you know it's time it's showtime
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so you know you you slowly but surely feel your
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way through and and um you know like i say it
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at first i was excited then i was like okay then
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i reality hit then i had to get myself comfortable
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with the situation and then you know once i was
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able to get comfortable you know It was action
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on deck. I just have one question. Marines or
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Navy? Navy. There you go. You know how many Navy
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dues I fuck with and then I married one. Well,
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we got Navy and Army up in here representing
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right now. No, but it's just kind of like a reoccurring
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theme in my life. So when a guy tells me he's
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in the Navy, I'm like, of course you are. I love
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it. So at what point did you start, you know,
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gathering other bulls together and, you know,
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forming groups and, you know, doing the gang
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bangs, doing other parties? Like how far into
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your journey in the lifestyle did you start doing
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that? Well, I started doing parties from jump
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whenever I would go for a different state and
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get on all the online groups and whatnot, so
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forth. and meet people that I started going to
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their events. I started doing my own thing, I
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would say about, I'd say eight years ago, seven
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years ago. What happened was once I came back
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home and I was going to events and meeting other
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young ladies and hot wives, things of nature,
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a few of them would be like, hey, you got friends,
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bring your friends over. I was like, I don't
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fuck with nobody like that. then you know after
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you got here in a couple times you got friends
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bring your friends over and this is people first
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time interacting with them they're like oh you
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know this is what i'm into and if you got some
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friends i want to get down i'm open to you bring
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your friends with you so i said okay so i started
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seeing signs i was like well maybe i'm gonna
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start recruiting some dudes and then as i started
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going to events i started seeing other dudes
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seeing how they how they move how they interact
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i said okay i can see myself kicking with this
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dude because i know we interact here at this
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event so i don't have any you know we're cool
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Things seem to be like -minded type stuff. So
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I'll ask one dude, hey, this is what I'm trying
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to do. You know, when I hook up with some females,
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you know, you want to get down. You know, I hit
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you up. I'm trying to start this little group,
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trying to get about six, eight of us together.
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So when it's a pop -off, I can reach out to some
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brothers. You know, we all hook up, we all link
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up, and we all go, and, you know, we have a party.
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And they're just like, oh, yeah, cool. One dude
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led the two dudes, two dudes led the three. Next
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thing I know, I had 100 dudes in my group. And
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I said, okay, this is a big thing. So I figured,
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okay, well, what do my group call us? And this
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was before I even knew it. I was at an event
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dealing with a young lady from Ohio. And she's
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a hot wife and was playing. She was like, huh,
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I need you to come to Ohio. I said, cool. She
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was like, yep, you're a real bull. And then,
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see, I know I say, we're going to call ourselves
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the Midwest Bulls. And that's how I spawned it.
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That's awesome. So you say you got 100 guys?
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Initially, throughout the years of adding guys
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and testing them out and seeing, test out their
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vibe and see if they're going to work with us,
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I had about 130 guys. but then but then as time
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progressed guys started falling off real life
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issues started started happening or the vibes
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once they got into the group their true colors
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started showing and once they they were say they
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say say that they're gonna come out to an event
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say they're gonna come out to a small little
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gathering and they never show up so i started
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deleting guys right now i think i'm at like uh
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70. okay what's your what's your uh What's your
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criteria for a brother being accepted into your
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brotherhood? It's all about the vibe. It's the
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chemistry, the vibe. You come in with respect
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of yourself, respect of the lifestyle, respect
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of the vet, respect of the young lady that's
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coming to have a party. Because my initial...
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idea overall for the reason why I made the group
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was for young ladies that want to experiment
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more into the lifestyle to other kinks what I
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want about a big party type setting. Because
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some females in one of their big party type settings,
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a lot of pressure and they feel overwhelmed.
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So I try to make it a small setting. You know,
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for every one female, I'll set up four to six
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dudes. That way she feels more comfortable and,
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you know, it's a more controlled environment.
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And that's, you know, based off that. And I talk
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to the dudes, give them an idea what it is. that
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my group is all about, you know, and prior to
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the event, I put out the rules and regulations.
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You know, you come clean looking, clean smelling,
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clean tasting, you know, brush your teeth, have
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a good personality, good vibes, because that's
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what the females want. They want good vibes.
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They want to feel safe. They want to feel comfortable.
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You know, they want to, you know, enjoy themselves.
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They want to feel wanted. They want to feel the
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passion and the small sin without a whole bunch
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of pressure. You know, you show up. You show
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up all the time. You know, we say doors will
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open at 7. Come at 7, 6 .30, 6 .45, 7 o 'clock.
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No later because I close the door. Doors open
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at one time and doors close at another time.
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You're not coming at, you know, the party is
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at 8. You're not coming at midnight. Somebody,
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I'm here. Let's get it. No, she's been playing
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for the last three, four hours. She's tired.
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So, you know, have respect. If you say you're
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going to be there. Be there. I understand real
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life happens. We'll have to have communication,
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open -minded communication. Everybody in my group,
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you can reach me 24 -7. So if something pops
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up where you can't make it, say something, you
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know. Yeah. Well, it sounds like, too, you've
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answered a few of the things, but I was going
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to ask you, what do you think separates a high
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-value bull from a thirsty one? You know, obviously
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the respect factor, but. How you conduct yourself.
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How you conduct yourself at events. How you conduct
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yourself in the group chats. How you conduct
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yourself, you know, just online period prior
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to an event, at an event, and after an event.
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All that says a lot about you. You know, your
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character. Not only, you know, if someone is
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watching you, but when someone is not watching
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you. Right. You know, you could be a... a good
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person but you still have some nasty ways about
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yourself you know you come to the event and you
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know you you haven't showered you haven't brushed
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your teeth you don't smell good like you know
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you're not doing it if if you're in a chat and
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prior to the event and in groups not just my
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my my event but any group events like for you
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know other big parties And she knows in there
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without asking, without getting permission to
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speak with them, you jump in their DMs and, you
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know, and the first thing they see when they
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open up first in the morning is a dick pic. Right.
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Then you flood their DMs. Oh, I wish I had a
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dollar. With dick pics. Me and Socrates would
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be on a beach somewhere. Right. Or you're constantly
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asking her for new pics or new vids, you know.
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Just stuff like that. You have to show patience.
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You have to show integrity about yourself and
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how you move. I like all of that. And that could
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be why you and I jive so well in the play space
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and in just regular life. We've talked many,
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many times. When you have like the parties and
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the different things and you go to other people's
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events, when you walk into the room as a bull,
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as a promoter, what are some of the things that
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you first notice about what's going on? The communication
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levels. If people are being cliquish, people
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are openly conversating with other people. You
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know, when I host an event, a small event, I'm
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not playing. So I'm there as security and to
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make sure everyone is following all the rules
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and regulations that they're supposed to be doing.
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I love that. I don't mean to cut you off, but
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I love that. Keep going. I love that. That's
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a businessman. I love that. I love that. Go ahead.
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I like to, for an event, like when I initially
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started doing them, I was doing house parties.
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So I would set up a group chat prior to the event.
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And my mindset is that with the group, the reason
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for the group chat prior to the event, it's for
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everyone to communicate and talk to each other.
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It's for everyone to break that ice. So by the
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time the event comes, that part is already done.
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You know, initially I was doing, you know, lifestyle
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play, coming to play parties, you know, but then
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I turned them into an actual party with the opportunity
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to play based on the vibe that you get from the
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person you want to play with. But initially they
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were, you know, everyone is here to play and
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whatnot so forth. So once you show up, the ladies
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have opportunity to go change, get into their
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sexy outfit. The guys set up, I turn music on
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and, you know, everyone mix, mix and mingles.
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Don't come talk to me about the person that you
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sit over in the corner. You go talk to that young
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lady. You go talk to that man. You go get to
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know them. Don't come talk to me. Ask me questions
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about them. You go talk to them. I observe that.
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I observe how people interact with other people.
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Some males and females, they can be cliquish
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at events and whatnot so forth. And then you
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always have what I like to call the party favorites.
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The party favorites are the ones that because
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they show up to any event, they think everyone
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is going to automatically say yes to them. I'm
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here, so you're supposed to say yes to me. I
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don't deal with those type of people. Love it.
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So that would be what makes a guest unforgettable
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for the wrong reason. But what makes a guest
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unforgettable for the right reason? What kind
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of people stand out in your mind that really
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help move that party along? How they carry themselves,
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how they move throughout the party, how they
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interact with everyone. They're coming in to...
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to have a vibe, to have a chemistry, to build
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chemistry, to have a vibe with you. They're not
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just here acting thirsty. You know, they're not
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walking around. A male's not walking around up
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to a female with his junk out. You know, it's
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like, hey, what's going on? My name is Sunset
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Sunset. I want to play. You know, that type of
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stuff. Business card first. Right. Females are
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just walking around. grabbing on all the dudes
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that they see. And when I saw them, they, they,
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they carry themselves, even though they're here,
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they want to be freaky. They want to be, you
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know, they want to enjoy the chocolate, but they
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still have class about themselves. They still
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conduct themselves as a lady, you know, and then
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when the time comes to play, then that comes
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out. She wants to make an impact. She wants to
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make an impact, not just there to just drop a
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draw and give it any damn board is there. She
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wants to make an impact and impression. You know,
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just like the bull. Just like there's one thing
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to go to a party and you just be a thirsty, a
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thirsty damn bull with your dick out and shit
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and trying to hit everything compared to you
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wanting to make that connection. All right? That
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connection. You want to get inside of their head.
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Yeah. And, I mean, I tell everybody, just because
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someone is playing, that's not an open -door
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policy for anybody to jump in. If a female is
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playing with a dude, with one dude, give her
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that space. Give him that respect. Give both
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of them that respect. They may just want just
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to be solo. And if you hadn't asked prior to,
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don't just get butt naked and jump in. You can
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ask while they're playing, hey, can I touch?
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Can I watch? Can I join? If you watch and be
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quiet, sit back and just enjoy the show. If you
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want to join in. And you ask, and everybody say
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yes, good to go. Jump in and have fun. I didn't
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seem, I almost had to put dudes out, I almost
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had to put some other dudes out, put hands on
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dudes. They just get butt naked and just try
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to jump in. Whip their dick out and put it in
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somebody's face. Hold on, no, that's not what
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we're doing here. That's why I bring my husband
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or you to those, to direct. where the dicks should
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go and be. I've seen females, because a dude
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was interacting with a female and he was on his
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back, she just jumped up and threw a hoo -ha
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in his face. Hold on. Come on now. You don't
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want nobody to guess you, so respect other people's
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face. Good deal. Oh, goodness. This is fun. So,
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One of the things that Socrates and I were talking
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about at the party we had this weekend at our
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local little spot around here is a lot of times
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parties can go two ways in my mind sometimes.
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They can either be like, everybody's getting
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down, everybody's getting busy, everybody's having
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a great time, or it ends up everyone kind of
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standing, like you said, kind of cliquish, kind
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of in the corner, kind of... just standing against
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the wall, like resembling very much a seventh
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grade dance. What is some things that you do
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to help keep that party flowing? Like do you
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ever do like icebreakers or mixers? Socrates
23:54
and I, we just come up with our own things sometimes
23:56
because we just try to get the party started
24:00
wherever we're at. So like one time, you know,
24:02
three years into being in the lifestyle, we went
24:04
to a party and we said. we're new to the lifestyle.
24:07
What are your tips and, and, you know, advice
24:11
for new people? And that was really fun because
24:15
these people leaned in and really like everyone
24:18
was really kind. And, and then we told them,
24:20
you know, kind of at the end of the conversation,
24:21
we're not really new, but we loved everything
24:24
you said. And we're always trying to help new
24:27
people. So we just want to play a little game
24:29
to get it going. Or other times we'll just go
24:32
up and ask the typical questions like, how many
24:36
times have you come to these parties? How long
24:38
have you been in the lifestyle? Things of that
24:42
nature. But what are some things that you do
24:44
to encourage your guests or kind of keep things
24:47
going so it doesn't just end up like the seventh
24:50
grade dance? Tall jump. I mean, because it's
24:58
my party. So 9 to 10, I know 90 % of the people
25:03
there. You know, I vibe with 97 % of people there.
25:06
Every now and then, you know, we have a group
25:08
of new people. But I mostly just try to talk
25:10
junk, keep everybody comfortable. I whip out
25:14
my flogs and start flogging somebody. that um
25:19
that's that's sexy that everyone is is into but
25:23
nervous to say something to i um yeah i just
25:27
do stuff like that if it's a smaller um event
25:31
that i'm hosting for a certain particular one
25:34
or two females then i'll start messing with them
25:36
just to get them going and to show the guys that
25:39
hey they're here to have fun get off your phones
25:42
interact with them and then once i get them going
25:45
i'll step away and say okay guys You know, green
25:48
light is on, you know, you guys have fun with
25:50
it. And then if things may slow down and she's
25:54
still in a mood, I'll come over, play with her,
25:57
talk to her, a union break. Just, you know, keep
26:00
it going some type of way. It varies sometimes
26:03
from event to event, what I do. You know, sometimes
26:07
it's the spur of the moment. I may do something
26:09
different that I hadn't done in life. Another
26:11
one, if I have a... connection with the female
26:14
and she's talked to me about a few different
26:16
things just to break the the pace of things i'll
26:20
break out my bdsm bag and you know she may want
26:24
to try something new that she hadn't tried or
26:26
i'll break out some toys and play with her in
26:29
front of everybody why everyone to stand there
26:31
and all googling i'll break out um a couple different
26:35
like i said uh paddles vlogs i'll put some some
26:40
cups on her or I'll put her in a spreader bar.
26:49
So it sounds like you become the entertainment,
26:54
essentially. You know, you get the female, you
26:58
go in the middle of the room. I know Socrates
27:00
and I went to this club. Should I say the name
27:04
of it? Yeah, Pravada. And nobody, it's three
27:09
floors of... tons of people and nobody's fucking.
27:13
And we're like, what in the hell? And it's late
27:17
in the evening. There's so many people just standing
27:19
around. So there was this big round Ottoman in
27:21
the middle of this huge room that had probably
27:23
a few hundred people in it. And we just start
27:28
putting on our own show there. So, you know,
27:31
sometimes you just got to get that party moving
27:33
no matter what. So that's a fun way. Um, you
27:36
know, I like, I like your style on that Socrates.
27:39
Yeah. Do you play at your parties, Tony? In my
27:44
small events that I host for like one or two
27:47
females to have, you know, they're fun. No, I
27:49
don't. Only ones I usually play at are my weekend
27:53
takeover, matching takeovers, because we're there
27:55
for the whole weekend. And everyone there is
27:57
policing everybody. Yeah, because I, you know,
28:04
in the industry segment. I'm going to be talking
28:07
to a lot of promoters, and you're the first one
28:11
that I've talked to that actually says, yeah,
28:13
I do. Because most of them are like, you can't
28:17
play at your parties. And I'm new to the game,
28:19
and I'm a systems thinker, and I was like, it
28:23
just doesn't set with me. I'm like, I feel like
28:27
you should be able to. And like you said, so
28:30
can you expound on everybody? You said everybody.
28:36
He's policing each other. Policing each other,
28:38
right. Because he's kind of already pre -vetted
28:40
those people. So kind of tell us on those weekends,
28:44
like, yeah, how does that work so that you can
28:47
balance everything? So, like, my annual weekend
28:52
match and takeover is the Taurus Bash. It's hosted
28:55
every year up in the local Detroit, Michigan
28:57
area. So it's a Friday, Saturday. and late checkout
29:03
on Sunday after we have brunch. Everyone gets
29:05
a chance to wrestle and so forth. So those type
29:07
of events, when everyone comes Friday, you know,
29:12
we have the usual mix and mingle. Then I put
29:14
out all the rules and regulations before anybody
29:17
touches anybody, before anybody plays. I put
29:20
out all the rules and regulations in the chat
29:23
prior to. and i do it also before once everyone
29:26
gets there and checks in everyone's get situated
29:29
and whatnot so forth those type of events are
29:32
because the cut down on costs i put it out that
29:35
everyone is helping everyone everyone helps with
29:38
the cleaning everyone helps with the the every
29:41
aspect of the whole weekend so we're all there
29:43
and everyone prior to being invited to that event
29:47
is vetted so it's not an open door policy that
29:51
and everybody can come So everyone is vetted
29:54
to a certain extent because you can only vet
29:58
someone up to a certain point. They're either
30:02
going to lie to you or they're going to always
30:03
say the truth. So we have it, and it's always
30:06
rules. As far as playing stuff is concerned,
30:12
we have rules and regulations, yellow light,
30:15
green light, red light. And at any point, at
30:18
any time, if my name is called, everything stops.
30:22
I don't care if you halfway up inside somebody,
30:26
either way it go, everything stops. We figure
30:28
out what's going on. And everyone respects that.
30:31
Everyone respects everyone's boundaries. Everyone
30:33
respects everyone's space and the whole event.
30:35
Because if you don't, then you have to go immediately.
30:38
There's no second chances. There's no second
30:41
guessing. All that. If you invite someone that
30:45
comes with you and they break rules, you have
30:47
to go along with that person. So those events
30:51
are more of a family style. Everyone comes to
30:55
party with the option and opportunity to play
30:58
all weekend. It's a grown and sexy type of event.
31:01
So we don't want anyone coming to act like acting
31:04
childish and whatnot so forth. So those I feel
31:06
more comfortable with. But it's a big mansion.
31:09
So I can't be everywhere at the exact same time.
31:11
So most of the guys that are in my Bulls group,
31:14
they know the rules and regulations. So they
31:18
help me. police everything going on and guys
31:21
that come with with their wives because if you
31:24
come with your wife you want to make sure that
31:26
she's protected at all times and she's comfortable
31:28
so you'll you'll have eyes on everything going
31:31
on around you also so and then as far as a smaller
31:37
event when i host here like i said i have one
31:41
or two females and i have six to eight guys in
31:43
there I'm policing. I'm security. Make sure everyone
31:47
follow rules. Make sure everyone is good to go.
31:49
Make sure the female is always good to go. So
31:51
those, I don't play because I'm constantly watching.
31:55
No, all my events are kind of a requirement.
32:00
Now, the mansion takeovers, if two adults can
32:03
sit in the adults' side they want to go without,
32:05
that's on you. Don't come back and talk to me
32:07
about it. That's on you. My smaller events, because
32:12
the females, they ask, they require, I want all
32:15
condoms, so I make sure everyone wears condoms
32:17
and they change them out between, you know, and
32:20
everyone's respecting everyone. I like that.
32:24
I like that a lot. What's the sexiest thing a
32:28
woman has ever said to you personally at one
32:30
of your events? Hi. Stop it. Well, I'm not going
32:38
to waste my words next time I see you. If all
32:42
I have to do is say hi. The sexiest thing to
32:46
me, I mean, one of the biggest reasons why I
32:49
host is because I like to bring people together
32:52
to have fun and enjoy themselves in a comfortable
32:55
environment. And I think one of the sexiest things
32:58
to me that got me excited was one, that someone
33:02
said they really enjoyed it and they felt safe
33:05
and comfortable. at an event that I host. And
33:08
any event that I host, if I invite them, that
33:12
they'll show up to me. Yeah, that's awesome.
33:16
We're really excited. We're going to be attending
33:18
your next one. So we're excited to watch and
33:22
learn and see how it flows and what ideas that
33:25
we can incorporate to, you know, things that
33:27
we're going to host in the future as well. So
33:29
we like, especially Socrates, loves learning,
33:33
loves asking questions. He'll probably follow
33:36
you around all weekend and get all the knowledge.
33:41
I'm not waiting until then. I'm asking some questions
33:43
on here. Okay, what questions do you have for
33:45
him right now? I was waiting for my turn. Go
33:49
ahead. So one of the things is Unk, me and Unk
33:55
were talking about how we want to do parties.
33:59
And one of the things that Unk wants to do that
34:02
I really love. is he wants to kind of match up
34:06
couples and bulls. Not like you have to be with
34:09
that person or this is your person, but suggestions
34:13
and recommendations because you can tell certain
34:16
types of bulls and the kind of couples that match
34:21
up. I'm not there yet. So do you do that? And
34:25
if so, how do you do it? And if not, why not?
34:30
I do it to a certain extent. Like if a young
34:34
lady or a hot wife or a couple, a husband, reaches
34:40
out to me saying that they want something, want
34:42
to do something. So what I initially do is I
34:45
get to know that person or that couple. I ask
34:48
a lot of questions as far as to get to know them,
34:51
their type of personality, what they like in
34:54
a lifestyle, what they don't like, hard yeses,
34:57
hard nos. the type of things that they're looking
35:00
to have done to them or the type of things that
35:04
the husband would like to see done to his wife
35:06
or girlfriend, the type of things that she would
35:09
like to have experienced during this event that
35:14
she's coming to that I'm setting up for her.
35:16
And then after getting to know them, ask them
35:18
a few little questions, I kind of have an idea
35:20
of my guys that are in my group. And I kind of
35:23
go through, okay, well, I think this person will
35:25
fit perfect with them at this event. Then I go
35:29
to those individual guys. I say, hey, I got this
35:32
young lady, this couple that's trying to have
35:34
an event. This is what they're into. This is
35:36
what they want. Are you free? And, you know,
35:40
if they ask for four, I usually invite, I usually
35:45
go to 10 guys because out of 10, I'll probably
35:48
get four because of time schedules and whatnot.
35:52
You know, real life situations. You know, everyone
35:56
is working and whatnot. And after knowing, interacting
36:00
with the guys in my group, I kind of got to have
36:03
an idea of how they move in a lifestyle, the
36:06
type of sex that they have, the type of things
36:09
that they're into. So once I have an idea about
36:11
that type of stuff, mentally, I can pair them
36:14
with someone that comes in or wants something
36:17
in particular. Now, when it comes to... a um
36:22
big event like a weekend takeover you know i
36:26
don't i have um i invite a mixture of all the
36:29
ones in my group because it feels like view my
36:31
group i don't i should be able to invite you
36:33
anything that i that i throw that type of events
36:39
me personally from outside looking in i think
36:42
it's a uh two stage to it well actually three
36:45
stage because you guys have to interview the
36:47
males and the females and then i would put together
36:50
like a little meet and greet type thing or like
36:54
um some people like to say a speed date type
36:57
scenario where they get to go around and talk
36:59
to different people and then they can kind of
37:03
put they put have their little interest in interest
37:06
or people that they like that they think that
37:08
they vibe with and then you know once they get
37:11
done everyone talks to you both sides and then
37:15
you kind of you know work it out from there i
37:17
don't i don't think it's cookie cutter experience
37:20
because i think it's all gonna be trial and error
37:22
trying to you know initiate and get it all down
37:24
to a science for i think the first two or three
37:27
times but i think by the time the fourth time
37:30
and it depends on how big you try to make it
37:32
you have a kind of a good idea after talking
37:35
to so many people and getting to know them and
37:37
their personalities and type of kinks and things
37:39
that they like what they're into what they're
37:40
looking for um can i ask you a personal question
37:48
Oh, Lord. Do you currently have a significant
37:53
other? Yes, I have a girlfriend and lifestyle.
38:00
Okay, so tell us about that. Because you do go
38:04
to these events solo most of the time. So how
38:07
do you guys, what's your communication like to
38:10
work out all the details of who's going where?
38:14
Like, what are some of your guidelines that you
38:16
guys have for each other? And together so you
38:19
can navigate the lifestyle successfully. It's
38:24
new, really, to me, for me. I tried, like I said
38:28
before, I was in and out. If I was in a relationship,
38:32
I was in a lifestyle. When I was in a relationship,
38:34
I was in a lifestyle. I tried it before with
38:37
a couple. And it didn't work out because of communication
38:41
or whatever. It was always two against one. I
38:44
don't like that. If I don't have a full say -so
38:47
and how things should go, then it's not a real
38:51
relationship. But this one, I don't know. It's
38:57
different. We're still working on how to navigate
39:01
a lot of different things. I think you have to
39:04
be flexible. You have to be understanding. of
39:07
the person that you want to have a relationship
39:09
with and how you met that person you know your
39:12
your mindset at the time that you met that person
39:16
and your mindset moving forth how you see yourself
39:19
where you see yourself and how you see yourself
39:21
you know within a lifestyle how you guys want
39:23
to move right now we're um going to events together
39:28
to make sure that our relationship is solid prior
39:34
to trying to go to anything so um solo yeah that's
39:39
what we did too like probably good man well we
39:43
went to events for we still probably like a year
39:47
well at least well i don't think that we have
39:51
gone to separate events except for just with
39:54
like within the last year yeah everything else
39:56
we pretty much go to together and then we just
40:00
started we we branched out locally to solo play
40:02
dates after about two years. And then the event
40:07
thing, I think, really just, maybe even just
40:10
when I went to that party in San Diego. Yeah,
40:11
guys, I haven't gone to. Oh, well, I've gone
40:13
to some local stuff by myself. Yeah, you've gone
40:15
to local stuff. I've gone to stuff out of town.
40:17
That's just kind of how it works out for us sometimes.
40:20
But, yeah, it just takes some time, you know,
40:23
to get that together. So do you guys do, and
40:27
for us, like, at the end of every event, in the
40:30
beginning especially, we would talk through,
40:31
like, the whole night. Mostly, though, because
40:34
I was brand new to the lifestyle, and he had
40:39
more experience, so he was just trying to help
40:41
and support. But what kind of check -ins do you
40:43
guys have? What kind of communication do you
40:46
make sure and do surrounding events to continue
40:49
to move that forward? Right now, it's basically
40:57
if someone wants to play with me, we'll play.
41:00
that they ask the other person that they want
41:02
to play with their partner. She only plays with,
41:07
if I'm there, as of right now, that's how she
41:12
wants to do it. For our check -in, like I said,
41:18
we usually, we go together, so we're constantly
41:21
with each other the whole time. Right, but do
41:23
you have like kind of a debrief, an after -action
41:26
report? As Unk calls it, like after the party,
41:30
kind of talk about how it went for you and if
41:33
anything came up for you, like emotionally or
41:36
otherwise. A little bit, because like I said,
41:40
this is new to me, having been in a relationship
41:43
and a lifestyle. So if something rubs me the
41:46
wrong way, I'll bring it up. As far as actions,
41:51
how people move, how she moves or how she portrays
41:54
herself or how someone may step to her. us or
41:57
whatnot but usually if something is i'm feeling
42:00
a certain way she knows right there and there
42:02
it was like we we went to our uh first event
42:08
together as a couple and we were playing with
42:11
another dude and then in the room and you know
42:14
she wanted to keep the door open so people would
42:16
come in and watch okay so i don't know no problem
42:18
a couple dudes came in there and was talking
42:22
and one dude was like hey i want to touch so
42:24
i usually sit back and see how she going to react.
42:28
Because, I mean, she's boisterous, and if she
42:30
doesn't want to do something, she'll say it.
42:32
She'll speak her mind. And she was basically
42:34
letting him know, I'm just playing with these
42:36
two. He was respectful or whatever, but he was
42:39
getting kind of close. When I was just sitting
42:41
there while we were playing, watching to see
42:43
what he was going to do, if he was going to try
42:45
to touch her. And this one dude came in that
42:48
I don't like and I don't deal with. and he was
42:51
trying to be a little bit overly aggressive and
42:54
almost had to stop playing to address the situation.
42:57
But she handled it, and he understood his role.
43:01
After I said something and she said something,
43:04
he understood his place, and he left. Yeah, he
43:07
understood he didn't have a role. His role was
43:10
in somebody else's room, right? Not there. Good.
43:14
I like that. Well, and I think too, I, you know,
43:17
Socrates, he researched so much, obviously you
43:19
had a lot of experience, you know, in the lifestyle.
43:22
And then for me, just the consistency of, if
43:26
he said it was going to be this way, it was going
43:29
to be that way. And, you know, we make mistakes
43:32
and we slip up, but he said, okay, if this happens,
43:36
then this will happen. You know, like this is
43:39
how we're going to handle these things. And he's
43:41
always stuck to that. And that just steadiness
43:43
and that rock really helps, you know, because
43:47
I'm not a quiet female either. I'm very boisterous,
43:50
too. So most of the time, you know, I don't I
43:53
even was just like hard on him in the beginning
43:56
because he'd be like, it's about safety. It's
43:57
about safety. And I'm like, Daddy, I have been
44:00
a hoe out in the single world doing all this
44:03
stuff. And he had to explain to me. When I'm
44:06
present, there's a different type of energy there
44:08
than when it's a single female with a guy. It's
44:13
not as such a – I'm losing the words, but you
44:19
know what I'm talking about, babe. You explained
44:20
to me about bringing guys back to the hotel room
44:23
that we didn't know and stuff like that. that
44:25
it was just a different kind of energy. Yeah.
44:28
So I didn't really understand. It took me a while
44:30
and I, you know, I'm like many things I've made
44:33
it harder on him than it needed to be, but he's
44:35
been patient with me and teaching me and just
44:38
being that steady, you know, consistent rock
44:41
in that area. So that, you know, I can say from
44:44
the woman's perspective is, is really helpful
44:47
when you're, when they know how it's going to
44:50
go down or not. Right, especially nowadays. And
44:54
I had to explain some things to her because females,
44:59
it's not a bad rap. It's just facts in life.
45:02
When you guys start playing, sometimes you don't
45:06
pay attention to everything going on. Or you
45:08
don't pay attention to everything going on. And
45:10
there are some shady dudes out there that'll
45:13
take advantage of that situation. And then next
45:15
thing you know... you will have a situation,
45:18
you know. I had at one of my events, Yolanda
45:22
said something to me afterwards. I didn't know
45:24
about it. I didn't pick. I was always looking
45:26
to make sure guys wore condoms. She said, yeah,
45:28
he wore a condom. After he got done playing with
45:30
her, he came over and played with me with the
45:32
same condom on. Well, I tried to, and I said
45:34
something. I was like, oh, okay. But she didn't
45:36
make it, obviously, to me, known what happened.
45:39
She said something to him, and he went and changed,
45:41
you know, discreetly, whatever, whatever. So
45:43
I was like, oh, guys do that? Okay. Or you'll
45:48
have a situation where you're playing with one
45:51
dude, giving him head, and you're on all fours,
45:55
a dude will come in from behind you without putting
45:58
one on. Yeah, stealthing. Or you'll have a dude
46:00
that'll sit there and play with you, start playing
46:03
with you, and try to play with you without wearing
46:06
one. And they'll test to see if you say something.
46:09
And I had to tell her, I was like, hey, I don't
46:12
care what you're doing. If you're playing. and
46:14
someone wants to play with you, you need to stop
46:16
to make sure that this is what's going on. Right.
46:19
Well, especially because... Ever since I told
46:21
her that, it was a dude that tried to do it.
46:25
And she was like, no, you got to stop. You got
46:26
to put something on. Yeah. Socrates, what did
46:30
you think? Well, I was going to say, especially,
46:31
I didn't mean to cut you off, especially for
46:35
your parties, because those things happen at
46:40
other people's parties, and that's... I've been
46:43
to parties where it's the opposite. It was weird.
46:46
I was putting a condom on. So, you know, some
46:50
parties, that's their culture. But what I like
46:53
about what you do is you let them know what it
46:54
is in the beginning. You know, we've had friends
46:57
that have been in that situation and they're
47:00
being treated like they were, you know, a bad
47:03
person when it's like the host didn't make any,
47:06
didn't set any rules. The host didn't say anything
47:09
about how we do it here. And there's parties
47:13
where it's the exact opposite. You know, we had
47:16
a couple that would damn near curse us out because
47:18
we insist on rubbers. You know what I'm saying?
47:21
So, you know, there's parties where it's like,
47:23
how dare you, you know? And I always tell people,
47:29
always tell people my, one other thing that as
47:32
far as my group and stuff is concerned is when
47:35
I host. It's to host to have fun and party, but
47:39
it's also to educate. Because a lot of people
47:40
that come in that have never gone to parties,
47:42
that have never been in that type of setting.
47:44
So they don't know. They don't know the quorum.
47:46
They don't know how they're supposed to conduct
47:47
themselves. So I try to bring people underneath
47:49
my wing and show you how you conduct yourself.
47:53
And I've had people come in, see how I host parties,
47:56
like, hey, it's a good idea. When I start doing
47:59
stuff, I'm going to start doing stuff like this.
48:01
Because you got to think about it. If someone
48:04
does something, that not of good taste at an
48:09
event right now today, they're 50 -50 % in the
48:15
wrong. The other 50 % is the people that brought
48:20
them into the lifestyle in the past prior to
48:22
them coming to your event. Because obviously
48:24
where they were at before, it was a norm. So
48:28
if it's a norm everywhere that they go, that
48:30
they move on forth, that they can act like that
48:33
every place that they go to. until someone says
48:37
something to them. Because think about it. If
48:42
no one tells you that you're doing something
48:44
wrong, you're never going to change. And that
48:49
is why I believe that the best parties are always
48:58
hosted by individuals who don't usually play
49:02
at their party. Because they can walk around,
49:07
they can talk to people, they can see what's
49:09
going on. You know, like you said, Tony, there
49:13
are so many people that have never been to any
49:16
type of event whatsoever. So they don't know
49:18
the etiquette, you know, they don't know exactly.
49:23
It sounds like you let them know from the jump
49:26
that, you know, condoms are required at your
49:29
party or at least preferable at your party. You
49:32
know what I mean? if if you don't use one of
49:35
that song you and that couple you guys have talked
49:37
about it but you put it out there that's a professional
49:40
right there doing what he's supposed to do at
49:42
a party that's a party promoter you have the
49:45
right to put that behind your name okay in my
49:47
opinion that's a party promoter um because here
49:51
again of socrates there are a lot of a lot of
49:54
settings where um you might walk into that setting
49:59
and you see say two or three ladies and they're
50:02
going back so you just assume that hey this is
50:06
a bad back party but here again if nobody has
50:08
said that con may be required you may think that
50:13
hey you know i can go wrong all right right but
50:17
that's you know that's that's that's just i'm
50:20
i'm really digging you know the way you the way
50:22
you running your show right right now i'm really
50:25
digging the way you run your show I mean, all
50:27
of it came about because after going to events
50:31
up here for, I don't know, three years, I started
50:35
seeing how the group owners started running groups
50:38
and their events, and I didn't like it. So I
50:40
said, I'm going to back away. I'm going to step
50:43
away. I'm going to leave your group, and I'm
50:45
going to start doing my own thing. And then I
50:47
started doing my own thing, how I wanted to do
50:50
stuff, how I thought it should go. I'm not saying
50:53
that how I run a group, how I run an event is
50:55
perfect, but. It's comfortable for me. And it
50:58
seems like everyone that comes to them, they're
51:00
comfortable, and they like them, and they want
51:02
to keep coming to them. So I'm going to keep
51:05
doing what I do. You know, every event, I learn
51:09
something new about the event, and I move it
51:12
to the next event moving forward. Evolution.
51:17
That's the word. That's the word. Like what worked
51:22
and what didn't work. That's the word, evolution.
51:26
So what kind of legacy do you want to leave in
51:29
the lifestyle space as both a bull and a builder
51:32
of experiences? What do you hope people remember
51:37
after, you know, I think you'd be hosting parties
51:41
till the day you die, even if your dick don't
51:43
work no more, right? But, you know, what kind
51:49
of legacy do you want to leave? Equal opportunities.
51:54
I was fair. I was respectful. I treat people
51:57
the way I want them to treat me. I don't try
52:01
to undermine or backstab nobody for an event.
52:05
I think that everyone is adults. I like to have
52:11
fun. My events are educational, fun, comfortable,
52:18
safe, enjoyable. I try to take it to another
52:23
level, the next level. The spots that I choose
52:29
to host at aren't just any old type of spots.
52:32
I try to have some type of taste and class to
52:35
them, something that I think is appealing to
52:37
the eyes, so they know that if I come to one
52:40
of my events, it's a nice spot, it's going to
52:41
be nice. It might not be the biggest, but I think
52:47
my events are within a reasonable price. I guess
52:52
I'm not trying to get rich off of it. I enjoy
52:55
bringing people together to have fun. That's
52:57
the beautiful thing that I enjoy out of it. And
53:03
if every bull listening could take one principle
53:08
from your playbook and live it out tomorrow,
53:11
what would it be? Ah, one thing from my playbook.
53:26
Consistency. I agree. I would think consistency.
53:31
Elaborate on that word consistency to you. What
53:34
does that look like? To me, conducting myself,
53:38
like I always said before, conducting myself
53:40
the same way if someone is watching me or someone
53:42
is not watching me. If I'm hosting an event or
53:47
if I'm going to an event. I'm going to carry
53:49
myself the same way in a chat, out of a chat.
53:52
I try to carry myself the same way when I approach
53:55
other couples, females, as far as, you know,
54:00
respect. Even if it's a norm that is free range
54:05
in a chat, you can DM anybody. I go into a profile
54:09
and I see if it says open DM. My DM is open and
54:12
I'll use it. And I'm respectful when I come into
54:14
your DM. I don't just jump in your den and send
54:17
you a thousand dick pics. Well, I'm disappointed,
54:21
but other women don't like it. I try to conduct
54:27
myself and carry myself the same way. I try not
54:32
to, when I meet someone, try to act thirsty.
54:36
Even though we all may be here for the same thing,
54:39
I still would like to get to know you as a person.
54:41
Because when I go to events... I think I have
54:43
more fun with someone if I know them. And we
54:47
can talk, we can chat outside of something besides
54:50
how big my dick is, how pretty your titties are,
54:54
what's your favorite position type stuff. Getting
54:59
inside the head. It's good. Good. Socrates. Any
55:06
more questions? I mean, I'm not perfect at it.
55:08
How much time you got? I fuck up every now and
55:10
then. Well, we tried to keep it around an hour,
55:15
so you got like five minutes left. Yeah. If you
55:21
had to go over an hour, I got time. No, I'm really
55:25
enjoying it as well, brother. And so I had a
55:31
question about matchmaking. And I don't mean
55:35
like, you know, you know the kind of matchmaking
55:37
we're talking about. I think this bull would
55:39
be great for this couple. Have you ever had a
55:43
bull that you said, you know what, knowing this
55:45
bull, they would be perfect for this couple.
55:49
But then the couple either, you know right away
55:53
they're not going to say yes because it's not
55:55
their normal, like. preference or cup of tea
56:00
but you know in your spirit like back in you
56:03
in the back of your head you're like this guy
56:06
will really be good for them have you ever done
56:08
that have you ever been like you just take my
56:11
word for it and just enjoy him and the next thing
56:15
you know they had a great time um i would say
56:23
no but at the same time like i had to host the
56:27
event with a couple young ladies and usually
56:31
what i try to do i like the the whole surprise
56:34
aspect of it sometimes i don't i don't put the
56:37
young lady when i first initially was doing it
56:39
i didn't put the young ladies in the chat with
56:41
the guys because i had guys back door me to try
56:45
to get to the females and then a couple guys
56:47
back door me got to the females and the female
56:49
backed out they didn't want a good event because
56:52
they linked up with this one dude. And then he
56:54
was like, yeah, I can do all this, blah, blah,
56:56
blah. So they stopped wanting to do stuff. So
56:59
I would stop doing that. And I had a couple young
57:02
ladies that got upset about that because they
57:04
didn't want to believe or trust in the process
57:07
of what I was trying to set up for them. But
57:09
I knew that if they just came through, you know,
57:13
with open mindset and enjoyed the night, that
57:15
they would have had a great night. I have definitely
57:19
been guilty of that one, huh, babe? Yep. Then
57:24
I was like, you were right, I was wrong. It really
57:27
went good, daddy. I do believe, and I want to
57:33
ask both Tony and Brian, I really do believe
57:39
that it takes almost a little bit of knowing
57:44
sociology and psychology. In other words, like...
57:48
understanding a person almost better than they
57:50
do because you know some psychological or social
57:53
principles that say, this is just how human beings
57:56
work, no matter what they're saying. And don't
57:59
you think it requires a little bit more insight
58:01
into a person to know what a real good bull would
58:06
be or a good couple? Or is it just your experience
58:10
and kind of like intuition and sixth sense? Me,
58:16
myself, personally, I have to get to know you.
58:18
I don't feel as though that I'm that much of
58:21
an expert that I can see you somewhere or meet
58:23
you within five minutes and be like, okay, I
58:24
think this person's best for you. I want to get
58:27
to know you. because when you start getting to
58:29
know them, you start asking questions because
58:31
you'll ask someone, what's your hard nose? They'll
58:33
be like, I don't have any hard nose. Then you
58:35
throw about 10 things at them. They'll be like,
58:36
oh, hold on. I don't like this. I don't like
58:38
that. I don't like this. I don't like that. Okay,
58:40
well, those are your hard nose because a lot
58:41
of people don't think about it because, like
58:43
I said, it's all about how you were initially
58:45
brought into the lifestyle and how you've been
58:48
moving since you've been brought into the lifestyle,
58:50
the things you've been exposed to, experienced.
58:52
So you take that and you move forward until you
58:55
get a bump in the road where someone asks a question
58:57
to where you're at the very left or you're at
58:59
the very right with your answers. So I like to
59:02
get to know people and ask questions myself to
59:06
pinpoint some desires and wants and likes and
59:10
dislikes. And then I sit down and I think, okay,
59:13
what guys I think would be good moving forward.
59:19
So, yes, I would say. but psychology has a has
59:22
a factor and it plays a big factor in it i agree
59:27
i agree with you tony i agree with you tony 120
59:30
percent um i think the fam knows that that i
59:35
definitely have to get to know you um i have
59:37
to make a connection i want to get inside your
59:40
head um but at the same time i'm one hell of
59:44
a damn observer also um like when i go to say
59:52
I like to observe couples. I really do. I can
59:56
kind of feel the ones out who are, you know,
1:00:00
they really have talked and they're really veterans.
1:00:03
And, you know, they themselves want to get to
1:00:06
know the bull, even if he's a seasoned bull like
1:00:10
we are, or if he might be, you know, kind of
1:00:14
a first timer. You know, they know how to make
1:00:18
you feel comfortable. Yeah. And they're just
1:00:21
not necessarily ready to just go upstairs and
1:00:23
get it on. So, you know, you have to be able
1:00:26
to, I think between the two of us, we, we count
1:00:29
on the same sheet of music. We definitely want
1:00:32
to get to know the couples first and foremost.
1:00:35
And then we have that sixth sense when you start
1:00:39
asking those, you know, do's and don't questions
1:00:41
and all that stuff like that. And the way you
1:00:43
answer those questions, we know whether or not,
1:00:45
okay, this is probably going to be. you know,
1:00:48
a good encounter or we know that, hey, maybe
1:00:52
I need to lay off a little bit because you guys
1:00:54
haven't exactly, you know, crossed that bridge
1:00:56
yet. And then, you know, you need to talk more.
1:01:01
So, yeah, that's pretty much me in a nutshell.
1:01:06
It's the same, you know, same way you are. I
1:01:09
mean, I had, like, last splash, there was a young
1:01:13
lady I met. online through the chat we met there
1:01:18
was said that um downstairs dance room talked
1:01:22
chopped it up and um she said she wanted a gang
1:01:25
bang but she was nervous husband was all in for
1:01:29
he was ready to order what i said or she said
1:01:32
okay about three four dudes okay no problem i
1:01:35
already had a group chat set up prior to the
1:01:37
event so i reached out to the guys i had a couple
1:01:40
of guys i had about six midwest boys that went
1:01:43
to it with me So we reached out to everybody,
1:01:45
whatever. Said she was nervous. But then once
1:01:48
she got into it, everybody started playing. It
1:01:53
was like gladiators in there. It was game on.
1:01:56
She was like, more, more, more. More, more, more.
1:02:00
So it was like, you know, sometimes they don't
1:02:03
know exactly what all they want. And sometimes
1:02:06
they do. And I've had events and situations where
1:02:09
they thought they wanted more. And then they
1:02:12
was like, I think I'll just take two. Overwhelming.
1:02:16
Right, right, right, right. A lot of them be
1:02:18
like, you know, I like small numbers because
1:02:21
once it gets more than that, there's a whole
1:02:22
lot going on and I can't focus. I like to focus.
1:02:26
I pay attention on what I'm doing. So, you know,
1:02:28
everyone is not built the same. So that's why
1:02:30
I had a conversation to at least try to get some
1:02:33
type of idea how the baseline, what we're going
1:02:36
to be working with. Good deal. Good deal. So
1:02:39
when you vet, when you vet your bulls, you're
1:02:44
looking for that guy that he checks off all of
1:02:48
those boxes that we're talking about right now.
1:02:50
Correct? I mean, he knows how to talk, you know,
1:02:55
and he knows how to present himself. And basically,
1:02:59
if he's like you, in a way, then, you know, welcome
1:03:05
to the Midwest, right? Well, that way also, but
1:03:10
with anything, you always have those levels,
1:03:12
to me. In my experience, you have those levels.
1:03:15
You have the ones that want to kick doors in
1:03:17
and come in and lay it down and then walk out.
1:03:19
You know, some females like that. You have the
1:03:21
ones that come in looking like a nerd. When they
1:03:25
come in, they lay it down. And some females like
1:03:28
that. You know, you have all different types
1:03:30
of levels. So I like to meet them, talk to them,
1:03:32
let them know what my group is all about, how
1:03:35
we conduct ourselves. Mostly, you come in respectful.
1:03:38
clean looking dressed professional no not not
1:03:41
prepared like he went for a job but look present
1:03:44
yourself a clean you know type person you know
1:03:47
you're not looking you're not acting thirsty
1:03:49
and this type of stuff um you know how to talk
1:03:52
uh you conduct yourself in public a certain type
1:03:55
of way you know when you go to come come to a
1:03:58
meet and greet prior to event you know you i
1:04:01
i see how you interact with everybody you know
1:04:04
then i have a um a small event set up i invite
1:04:09
you out hey come check out see how i do things
1:04:11
how i run and whatnot so forth see if you're
1:04:13
comfortable because everyone's not always comfortable
1:04:15
they may think that they're comfortable like
1:04:17
it was for me my first time event i thought i
1:04:19
was like oh yeah i'm built for this then i got
1:04:21
there i was like oh hold on there's a whole lot
1:04:23
going on around here i wasn't expecting all this
1:04:26
so you had to get they have to get themselves
1:04:27
comfortable so i'll bring them in let them see
1:04:31
it just like a just like a female if she's never
1:04:33
been never done to before i invite you come out
1:04:35
just because you come to event doesn't mean you
1:04:38
have to play come out check it out check out
1:04:40
the vibe see how it runs that moves and if as
1:04:43
you sit there and you observe if that feeling
1:04:46
hits you to where you want to stick your toe
1:04:48
in stick your toe in but if it doesn't stay by
1:04:50
my side and any any questions that you have i'll
1:04:53
ask them all night long because that's what i'm
1:04:55
there for Well, it sounds like you're predominantly
1:04:58
just really about the experience. The whole package
1:05:02
sounds amazing from planning it to communication
1:05:07
to vetting people to making sure especially the
1:05:10
women feel comfortable. And I can't wait to attend
1:05:15
your event, your big one here coming up. But
1:05:18
we're going to wrap things up for today. We appreciate
1:05:21
you so much for being on tonight. And thank you
1:05:27
to my sexy husband and producer, Socrates. And
1:05:31
Brian here, take us out. Tony, again, thank you
1:05:38
for coming. And we'll definitely have you again.
1:05:42
And to all the listeners tonight, to all the
1:05:45
listeners tonight, this ends another informative
1:05:47
podcast from the Bull Brotherhood. Once again,
1:05:51
Tony, thank you. And as always, to all my bull
1:05:54
brothers out there, I bid you all good night.
1:05:57
And to all my sexy hot wives and sluts out there,
1:06:01
I bid you good morning. Y 'all have a good night
1:06:04
till we talk again. Bye -bye.