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Ian Furness 9/14 H1: Welcome to the show Ashley! Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen. · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Now, from the Star Reynolds Sports Desk, your 93.3 KKRFM
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  Speaker 1: Sports Headlines.
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  Speaker 2: as the Rockies. Turns out Sam Donald didn't suffer a
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  Speaker 2: hip injury in the season over. He hurt his butt.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, his ass. He'll definitely miss this week's game
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  Speaker 2: against the Cardinals. Lots of conflicting reports on how long
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  Speaker 2: he will be out. Rams also dealt a big injury
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  Speaker 2: blow if he missed it over the weekend. Miles Garrett,
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  Speaker 2: knee surgery. He'll head to the IR. He'll miss at
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  Speaker 2: least the next four weeks. M's, you're probably busy yesterday. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: watching Red Zone or NFL games. I have three TVs,
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  Speaker 2: so I had to watch it. Oh, that's a bad
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  Speaker 2: move on your part. There's a bad. It was rough. Well,
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  Speaker 2: for those who didn't see it live, the M's blew
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  Speaker 2: a four-run lead in Sacramento yesterday. A walk-off home run
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  Speaker 2: for the second time in three games to the A's.
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  Speaker 2: There are still five behind Houston who got swept over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend, but there are four behind the Rangers who
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  Speaker 2: are starting to heat up, and they're in Anaheim tonight
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  Speaker 2: to face the Angels. More on that in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Huskies held on to barely beat Utah State 16-14 at home.
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  Speaker 2: Dogs dropped out of the top 25 of the AP poll,
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  Speaker 2: still in the coaches' poll, despite a 2-0 start. Cougars'
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  Speaker 2: polls are never going to be part of their issue
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  Speaker 2: this year. They got blown out on the road, losing
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  Speaker 2: 34-7 to Kansas State. Right now, the worst offense in
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  Speaker 2: Division I football.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go. The countdown is on.
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  Speaker 1: This is the countdown to Monday Night Football with Ian Furness.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to go into the open field. As we
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  Speaker 3: count you down to tonight's game at 515.
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  Speaker 2: On Sports Radio 93.3, KJR-FM. All right, cool new open
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  Speaker 2: here on a Monday. Welcome in. It is just after
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  Speaker 2: 12 o'clock on a Monday afternoon. It is the 14th
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  Speaker 2: of September, 2026. It is the final day of week
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  Speaker 2: one of the NFL season. You'll hear the game, as
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  Speaker 2: mentioned tonight, right here on 93.3 KGFM. Broncos and Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: in Kansas City. Ken Walker making his Chiefs debut. Pat
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes coming off the knee injury. Bo Nix got an
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  Speaker 2: owie last year. Otherwise, they would have won the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Broncos fans will tell you. They would have
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  Speaker 2: beat the Patriots and beat the Seahawks or the Rams,
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  Speaker 2: whoever they would have played, because... Well, they're the Broncos,
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  Speaker 2: and we know how things go for them.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, let's get to it. We run down the show
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  Speaker 2: and then get something else really fun out of the way.
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  Speaker 2: Not out of the way, but mentioned. 1220 Hugh Millen,
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  Speaker 2: Hardcore Football. That'll be every Monday. Hugh Millen will join us.
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  Speaker 2: We'll break down the Seahawks game. Now, obviously, they played
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday. He's been on the show on a number
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  Speaker 2: of shows. I said, Hugh, let's wait until Monday. We'll
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  Speaker 2: kind of see how the dust settles, and then we'll
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  Speaker 2: get you on Monday, and we're going to talk a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Drew Locke and what the offense will look
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  Speaker 2: like moving forward for however long Sam.
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  Speaker 3: Darnold is out.
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  Speaker 2: 1 o'clock, as requested. God, I had people texting me,
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  Speaker 2: asking me, are they on? Are they on Monday? Are
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  Speaker 2: they on Monday? It's football. They're on Monday. They, being
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  Speaker 2: Nathan Bishop, Christopher Crawford, the Molly Wap guys, brought to
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  Speaker 2: you by Simply Seattle, 1 o'clock after that just absolute
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  Speaker 2: disaster of a weekend in Sacramento. And really what's been,
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  Speaker 2: that probably describes the entire season. That's 1 o'clock. And
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  Speaker 2: then Mike Sando, his weekly visit every Monday during the
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  Speaker 2: football season. His pick six columns at The Athletic. It's
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  Speaker 2: a great overview of what happened in the NFL on Sunday, Thursday, Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: wherever the games might have been. And we'll have him
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  Speaker 2: coming on today, coming up at 2 p.m., talking all
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  Speaker 2: things NFL around the league, kind of take a tour
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  Speaker 2: of the league. In the meantime, we'll sprinkle in at 49451.
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  Speaker 2: Your thoughts, comments, questions, concerns on the text line. Talkbacks
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  Speaker 2: are welcome as well. Speaking of welcomes, Ashley Lola Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Medley III.
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  Speaker 1: Hello.
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  Speaker 2: I like my new name.
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  Speaker 3: It's fancy.
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  Speaker 2: That's fancy. Ashley has joined the show. We mentioned this
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  Speaker 2: on Friday. If you were listening to Chuck in the
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  Speaker 2: morning on Friday, 9.30, you guys talked about it. You
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  Speaker 2: had Bucky on and talked about the transition. We mentioned
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  Speaker 2: it on Friday as well to wrap up our show.
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  Speaker 2: Changes in the air. It's a funny business that we
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  Speaker 2: are in. Because this particular radio station, which has been
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  Speaker 2: in business for a long, long time, the first sports
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  Speaker 2: station in Seattle, the flagship station in terms of sports
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  Speaker 2: radio in Seattle, others have tried. This is what started
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  Speaker 2: back in the days of Bob Blackburn and Kevin Calabro
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  Speaker 2: and Keith Shipman and Rick Dupree and all those guys.
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  Speaker 2: That was pre-Gas and Graz and everybody else. That was
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  Speaker 2: a long time ago. Long time ago. This place, people stay. Fane, Softee,
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  Speaker 2: been here for three decades. I've been here 20 years
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  Speaker 2: as of this month. Chuck's been here for 10 years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you've been here.
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  Speaker 3: For off and on. 20 years.
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  Speaker 2: 20 years. Ashley Ryan is joining our show now. Anders
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  Speaker 2: is moving to the morning, kind of freshening things up,
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  Speaker 2: I think is the best way to put it, moving
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  Speaker 2: some pieces around with Bucky leaving us on a full-time basis,
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully he'll be back here and there. Yep. But
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  Speaker 2: we just kind of, we're shaking some, and first of all, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: And I said this on Friday, and we'll have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of fun on this show. I've known Ashley, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: 20 years. Yeah, a long time. You were working like
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  Speaker 2: part-time in promotions, I think, when I first got here.
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  Speaker 2: I was, yeah. And so I've known Ashley forever. And
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  Speaker 2: she left and got out of that business for a while,
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  Speaker 2: was doing traffic for a while, was doing updates on
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  Speaker 2: Comcast every now and then. I mean, all this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Then went and did a morning show on the news
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  Speaker 2: station or a music station where they played Christmas music
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  Speaker 2: starting now. She did that. And then we were lucky
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  Speaker 2: enough to get her back. And I'm thrilled to have
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  Speaker 2: you on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really excited to be here. I'm absolutely thrilled. I
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  Speaker 2: love Danters, love working with him, and he's ready for
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  Speaker 2: a new challenge. You're probably ready for something new and
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  Speaker 2: fresh and different, hopefully. Hopefully they didn't hold a gun
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  Speaker 2: to your head and said you have to come work
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  Speaker 2: with Ian.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm thrilled to have you here. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: have a ton of fun. I love your perspective on things.
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  Speaker 2: I love your opinions on things and your knowledge of sports.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm going to lean on that heavily. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to have you here, Ash.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really excited to be here. Everyone was asking
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  Speaker 4: me when I got in, like, well, how was your morning? Because,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I usually am up and by now I'm
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  Speaker 4: going back to bed. And I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 4: woke up at 645. I did a load of laundry.
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  Speaker 4: I helped Palmer get off to school. I took the
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  Speaker 4: dog on a three mile walk. I already got work done.
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  Speaker 2: Some mom things.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was like, oh, wow, look at how productive
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  Speaker 4: I can be when I don't have to When I'm
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  Speaker 4: not a zombie.
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  Speaker 2: In the morning. At 4 a.m.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I don't need to take a nap later.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we should mention, too, what we're going to do
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  Speaker 2: is factor fiction, same thing as before. You went one-on-one
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  Speaker 2: last week, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I take that win. We get that win for our show. No,
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  Speaker 2: we can't. We have to leave it there because I
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  Speaker 2: think Andrew's got one, too, so it's probably a push.
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  Speaker 2: I had a bad week, 0-3.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's early.
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  Speaker 2: It's so early. Thanks, Sean Figgins. People love it when
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  Speaker 2: you say that. Sean Figgins is chiming in right now.
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  Speaker 3: It is early.
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  Speaker 2: Ian, it's early. Your 0-3 week won't matter that much. Yeah. But, yeah, Ashley,
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  Speaker 2: all the picks on Tuesday, Thursday. I'll have them Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have one coming up at 235. Your chance to
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  Speaker 2: win a $ 1, 000 weekly prize. And Ashley's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a big, big part of this show. And today's a
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  Speaker 2: weird day because we don't have a lot of open segments.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because we're kind of jammed on Mondays. Just a quick thought,
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  Speaker 2: and I want you to chime in as well before
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  Speaker 2: we get to Hugh. Football is here and it's never
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  Speaker 2: been here more so than watching what happened over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: The overreaction, which everyone has. The panic, which everybody has.
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  Speaker 2: The justifiable concerns, which some people should have.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Both Husky and Cougar fans for very different reasons, although
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  Speaker 2: I'd certainly rather be 2-0 than 0-2.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Oregon fans are like, whoa. They're freaking the F out.
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  Speaker 2: The Big Ten did not have a good weekend, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, against Power four schools. I think they were
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  Speaker 2: Two and six, and I think the SEC was five
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  Speaker 2: and two or something like that. That's ugly. That's not good.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State and Oregon, Oregon, your top two teams both losing.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see. Is this the year we get a three
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  Speaker 2: or four team in the playoff? Oregon's hoping so. Ohio State,
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  Speaker 2: probably not as concerned, but your margin of error shrinks tremendously.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but a loss to Texas definitely looks better than
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  Speaker 4: a loss to Oklahoma State.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about as bad as it gets. A team
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  Speaker 2: that hadn't won in like two calendar years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the Huskies were almost like, hold my beer,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to lose to Utah State, but luckily they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Their offense has massive issues. Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was ugly.
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  Speaker 2: You put 16 on the board against that team that lost?
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  Speaker 2: Utah State lost to Idaho State the week before. Idaho State,
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  Speaker 2: just for some context... is always a seller-dweller bottom third
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  Speaker 2: of the big sky.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, FCS.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can live with the Cougs getting their ass
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  Speaker 2: kicked by Kansas State to a point, except for I
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  Speaker 2: can't live with an offense that is just– it's 0-8
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Lapina-like is what it reminds me of. That's what
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  Speaker 2: that offense looks like right now, and that is not
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  Speaker 2: the start you wanted in the Pac-12. You're one of
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  Speaker 2: the flag bearers, the torchbearers. And meanwhile, Oregon State almost
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  Speaker 2: upsets Texas Tech, a team that might be the most
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  Speaker 2: expensive roster in the country. Meanwhile, the NFL, Ash. How
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  Speaker 2: about Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers, huh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What was your biggest thing that you took away from
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  Speaker 2: the NFL weekend? Oh, biggest thing? Let me think, let
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  Speaker 2: me think.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I will say that Saints-Lions game was really exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Great game.
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  Speaker 4: Because it was almost... It was either, wow, they held on, or,
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  Speaker 4: oh my gosh. It wasn't ever going to be really
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  Speaker 4: praised for the Saints. It was going to be either
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  Speaker 4: the Lions royally effed it up, or they held on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the Saints had love going into the year. We
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  Speaker 2: were talking about that. I had a big group over
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  Speaker 2: watching the games, and a lot of Saints love going on,
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  Speaker 2: and they kind of proved it. Kellen Moore, Tyler Shuck
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  Speaker 2: made some plays.
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  Speaker 3: The Lions....
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  Speaker 2: I think those might just be two decent football teams.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was almost their biggest blown lead in
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  Speaker 4: the history of their franchise. That's why it was like, whoa.
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  Speaker 4: And I like the Lions, too, so I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want that to happen to them. I'd say, though,
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  Speaker 4: just all the things that happened with the NFC, it
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  Speaker 4: was kind of... I mean, you're expecting San Francisco to struggle.
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  Speaker 2: I know that was Thursday, but.
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  Speaker 4: yeah and you're expecting the Rams to dominate the opposite
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  Speaker 4: happens then they lose Miles Garrett and then who where
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  Speaker 4: did the Cardinals come from.
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  Speaker 2: Where that's the one that just jumped out at me
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  Speaker 2: is Arizona should be just and and I think it's
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  Speaker 2: mostly for Seattle's sake that's probably the part that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of terrifying is it This was supposed to be a
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  Speaker 2: gimme next week. Like that's supposed to be a gimme.
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  Speaker 2: And God, you get that win. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it'll change what is the most, well, it's the second
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  Speaker 2: most apathetic fan base in the NFL behind the place
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  Speaker 2: they just played. Yeah. The zombie chargers in SoFi. But
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  Speaker 2: that's supposed to be a gimme. And LaFleur's got that team.
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  Speaker 2: They played hard. Somebody forgot to tell the 53 guys
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  Speaker 2: on the roster that you're playing for the number one pick.
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  Speaker 2: Same thing with the Jets, actually. You guys are supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be playing for the number one pick. Tennessee, you
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  Speaker 2: already have the number one pick. You don't get another one.
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  Speaker 2: Or maybe you will. Maybe. And so those things jump
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  Speaker 2: out at me. I think the NFC, you mentioned the NFC, Ash.
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  Speaker 2: I think the thing that really kind of are the
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  Speaker 2: Giants back under John Harbaugh, which is funny because his
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  Speaker 2: former team looked phenomenal. Yep, they did. In the Ravens.
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  Speaker 4: And also his team wasn't supposed to be very good,
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  Speaker 4: and his brother's team was.
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  Speaker 2: That's the wild part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Giants looked like a dangerous team. And remember,
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  Speaker 2: CX played in the NFC East this year. And the Cowboys,
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  Speaker 2: which had the best offense, one of the best offenses,
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  Speaker 2: you can argue best offense stats, whatever you want. They
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  Speaker 2: were a top five offense in most categories last year
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL, and they were a bottom two or
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  Speaker 2: three defense in the NFL. They got rid of their
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  Speaker 2: entire coaching staff on the defense. This is the thing
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  Speaker 2: that's interesting. You bring in the wonder kid and Christian Parker,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, this guy, he's the new, young, up-and-coming,
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  Speaker 2: hot-shot defensive coordinator, brings in a whole new staff, and
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  Speaker 2: their defense was actually one game, but statistically worse than
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  Speaker 2: they were last year against the Giants. Couldn't get a stop,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't get off the field.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And their offense was, like, Pickens still drops balls. Dax
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  Speaker 2: still throws weird interceptions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was not happy that I had Dak Prescott as
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  Speaker 4: a fantasy quarterback. I'll tell you that much.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Oh, by the way, you'll enjoy our
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  Speaker 2: segments coming up every Thursday.
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Brandon Funston.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, that's good. I do have Josh Allen in
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  Speaker 4: the two other leagues.
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  Speaker 2: And whoever sits in there gets the opportunity to get
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: stuff done off the air and little insider information.
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  Speaker 4: Well, because that's what Chuck talked about that he thought
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  Speaker 4: Jessamyn did for our fantasy football draft. He's like, she
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  Speaker 4: definitely talked to Funston about all her stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure she did. Smart.
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  Speaker 4: Use him while he's there.
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  Speaker 2: She probably had him on text like, hey, who should
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  Speaker 2: I pick next?
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  Speaker 4: How do you like this order?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, here.
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  Speaker 2: Log into my thing.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Good weekend all the way around. Baseball team, we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to them a little bit later. Sort of. Okay. Molly Watt.
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  Speaker 2: What was your reaction? So you watched it live.
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I was not. Was it one of those things
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  Speaker 2: where it's like, I can't believe this or because the
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  Speaker 2: way the year's gone, I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 4: I actually couldn't believe it because I, so I was
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  Speaker 4: watching it and I was watching until we were up six, two.
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  Speaker 4: Then I had to go take Palmer and her friend
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  Speaker 4: to softball. So I was listening to it, which was
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  Speaker 4: far more aggravating than watching it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because when you can't see and you, and they're just
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  Speaker 4: screwing up, you're like, what on earth?
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing? So then I was road raging.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which isn't healthy.
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  Speaker 1: No, no.
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  Speaker 4: And, uh, and then when, and then I was, then
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  Speaker 4: when Rosarena hit the home run and went back up,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wait, I forgot.
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  Speaker 4: We still have a bullpen that's struggling. I thought, okay,
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  Speaker 4: that's fine. We've got Munoz. And then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You won't see Bizarro. You should be fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how much road rage they've caused this year
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  Speaker 2: for people. I'm sure a lot. That's probably a good point.
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  Speaker 2: They probably have caused a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we'll get to them at 1 o'clock. You'll
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  Speaker 2: have your first dance with the Mollywop guys. Oh, I'm nervous.
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  Speaker 2: That's coming up today at 1 p.m. We'll come back.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen, Hardcore Football next. Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 2: Every Monday, Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen. Normally on a Monday.
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  Speaker 2: would be after a Seahawks game on the Sunday. That's
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  Speaker 2: not the case. They play it on Wednesday. So we
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: kind of look back, and actually more than anything, we
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  Speaker 2: want to look ahead. We did that on Friday with
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  Speaker 2: Greg Cosell. Our weekly visit with Greg Cosell every Friday,
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  Speaker 2: we check in with the NFL Films film guru on
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  Speaker 2: all things NFL and get a preview of the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: game on the weekend, a little preview especially of the
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  Speaker 2: other team, gives us a film breakdown. Last Friday we
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  Speaker 2: did the post game, basically Greg Cosell kind of wrapping
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  Speaker 2: things up. when it was all said and done. So
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  Speaker 2: that was fun. But today, is Hugh with us?
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  Speaker 3: Perfect.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here. Hugh Millen joining us right now to go
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  Speaker 2: through a little hardcore football we've been doing for a
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  Speaker 2: long time, you and me. I'm thinking this is about...
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  Speaker 2: I'm just doing the math, Hugh. Math on the radio
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  Speaker 2: is always fun. I did the first two football seasons
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  Speaker 2: I did were on the night show, and then I
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  Speaker 2: moved into the middays, and that was... 2017 years. It's
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  Speaker 2: about 17th, 18th year. We're doing this buddy. So I
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  Speaker 2: love doing this with you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then, and, and, uh, and before that with, with garage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, so yeah, the show has been going, going for
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  Speaker 3: a minute. So the idea had been that, Hey, this
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  Speaker 3: will be a portion of the day where we try
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  Speaker 3: and talk the X's and O's and go into some detailed,
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  Speaker 3: you know, try and take you into the NFL tape room.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we used to call it a film room, right?
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  Speaker 3: But it's a, now it's videotape obviously. And so, uh, Anyways,
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  Speaker 3: we're in the NFL tape room and kind of seeing
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  Speaker 3: it from a player's perspective.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. And it's one of my favorite things
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  Speaker 2: I do every week. And normally, as I mentioned, we
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  Speaker 2: would do this right after the game on a Monday,
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  Speaker 2: after a Sunday game, but obviously they play it on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: I thought we would do something a little different if
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  Speaker 2: we can today, Hugh. The number one overriding thing that
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  Speaker 2: I heard from football fans, friends, family, etc., we had
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  Speaker 2: a whole group over watching games yesterday on the Red Zone,
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  Speaker 2: was the name Drew Locke over and over again. And
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  Speaker 2: there is no better person in my mind to talk
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks with than Hugh Millen. And I know, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to guess here... You've probably watched a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: tape on drew lock since Wednesday night.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed I have. And, uh, you know, I think he,
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  Speaker 3: it's an interesting study for me. Um, let me first
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  Speaker 3: say that backup quarterbacks generally fall in one of two
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  Speaker 3: groups in the NFL. And that is, um, those who
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  Speaker 3: are backups because of their physical traits, because of, and
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  Speaker 3: then those who are backups despite their physical traits. And
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  Speaker 3: let me tell you what I mean. Let me give
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  Speaker 3: you a list of guys. I think if you love football,
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  Speaker 3: this is not going to be a hard idea to grasp.
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  Speaker 3: When you think of like guys, okay, what are the
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  Speaker 3: first traits that could jump out at you literally in
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  Speaker 3: the first 60 seconds if you watch a guy throw
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  Speaker 3: a ball? Watch a guy throw a ball once or twice. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you can assess his size. You can watch him drop back.
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  Speaker 3: You can assess his athleticism. You can assess his release
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  Speaker 3: and the velocity in his spin. You can literally do
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  Speaker 3: a not insubstantial amount of evaluation in 60 seconds about
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  Speaker 3: a guy. And so the guys that really aren't going
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  Speaker 3: to impress you in that regard, Chase Daniel, six foot tall,
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  Speaker 3: had a long career. But, you know, not a big arm,
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  Speaker 3: not a great athlete. Kellen Moore.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: You know, went to New York as a Heisman finalist,
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  Speaker 3: but six foot tall, weak arm, you know, wasn't drafted,
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  Speaker 3: you know, played a couple years. Like his just physical traits,
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  Speaker 3: he just doesn't have the horsepower to play in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Graham Harreld, Nick Mullins, Bailey Zappi, even Matt Barkley, Colt McCoy,
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  Speaker 3: Case Keenum. There's a lot of guys that have played
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  Speaker 3: a lot of years and made a lot of money
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  Speaker 3: that are in that category. Brett Rippin, Jake Browning, right?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, now this is a category of guys that are
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  Speaker 3: backups despite their trade. Mitch Trubisky, big dude, strong arm.
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  Speaker 3: Carson Wentz, Zach Wilson, 6'3, moves great, quick arm, strong arm.
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  Speaker 3: Trey Lance. Third overall pick, right? Marcus Mariota, Justin Fields.
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  Speaker 3: All of those guys have starter traits, period.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: But they don't have the consistency or whatever. You know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe it's a little bit of bad luck. Maybe injuries
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  Speaker 3: have played in a part, but mostly they played themselves
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  Speaker 3: out of starting contention. because they've shown that even though
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  Speaker 3: their highlight reel is every bit as good as a starters,
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  Speaker 3: you know, their top 10 or 15, 20 plays over
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  Speaker 3: a course of a season, they don't have it consistently.
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  Speaker 3: And so drew lock, if you say, okay, which category
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  Speaker 3: is he in unquestionably that second, this is a dude that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, six, three plus that, Moves great. You saw
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  Speaker 3: him rush for that 14-yard run. You saw how he accelerated.
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  Speaker 3: That's an athlete. He's got a very quick release. He's
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  Speaker 3: got not only adequate velocity when he throws with his
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  Speaker 3: body behind it, but he has something that's what many
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  Speaker 3: people call arm talent, which is related, but that's can
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  Speaker 3: you generate velocity without your body behind it. And he
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  Speaker 3: showed you that a number of times the other night.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that's that's just a way to frame this.
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  Speaker 3: Just understand who our backup quarterback is. He has starter traits. The,
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  Speaker 3: and I would argue that emphatically.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh, let me, and we're going to, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: deep dive this in the next couple of segments, but
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  Speaker 2: let me start with this just general thought, because as
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  Speaker 2: you're describing all his traits, right? I'm thinking in the
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  Speaker 2: back of my mind, it sounds very similar to the
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  Speaker 2: starter for Seattle in Sam Darnold. How similar are they
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  Speaker 2: in terms of physical traits, style of play, ability to
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  Speaker 2: make plays, however it may be, on script, off script,
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  Speaker 2: what have you, but how similar is he to Sam Darnold?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think physically they're very similar. I think they're
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  Speaker 3: about the same height at 6'3. I think their velocity
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  Speaker 3: on the ball is very similar. Uh, maybe Sam spins
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  Speaker 3: it a little tighter. Uh, yes. Hard knocks was trying
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  Speaker 3: to profile.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Um, I think their athleticism is comparable. Um, I think
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  Speaker 3: their frame, you know, they're, they're, they're both thick enough. Um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they're not built like Josh Allen, but I
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  Speaker 3: guess who, who is so foolish to even bring that up.
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  Speaker 3: But I, but I would say if anything, drew lock
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  Speaker 3: has a quicker release. Now, why is Darnold better? Uh,
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  Speaker 3: he just, processes better. He does the right thing more consistently.
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  Speaker 3: He's more accurate deep down the field. If you watched
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  Speaker 3: him over a long period of time and you watched
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  Speaker 3: Drew Locke, he is going to do the right thing
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  Speaker 3: in the offense with a greater percentage, a higher consistency,
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  Speaker 3: even if it's just a four-yard completion. Um, sometimes the
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  Speaker 3: four yard completion is the right decision because it's the
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  Speaker 3: only decision. Sometimes a throwaway is the right decision because
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  Speaker 3: it's the only decision. So, so Sam Darnold is going to,
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  Speaker 3: over a period of time, make, make good decisions at
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  Speaker 3: a higher rate.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: But, but their skillset just standing, throwing the ball. You know,
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  Speaker 3: if they were if it was like, you know, at
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  Speaker 3: the combine or, you know, they're going to play horse,
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  Speaker 3: you know, think of this a thought experiment now.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Like, OK, you know, Darnold's going to say, well, all right,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go seven step. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 3: far hash and I'm going to smoke a far field corner.
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  Speaker 3: Drew Lockett just nod and go, I got you. You
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  Speaker 3: ain't going to get H on me.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Because I can make that throw, too. What do you got? Like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, let's go to the next throw. What do
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  Speaker 3: you got? And that showed up on Wednesday night. Here's
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  Speaker 3: just a handful of times where this showed up. Do
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  Speaker 3: you remember the dagger route on 3rd and 21? I
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  Speaker 3: know we're going back to Wednesday, and usually this shows
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  Speaker 3: on the day after.
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  Speaker 2: The 3rd quarter, maybe?
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  Speaker 3: No, it was 2nd quarter, late 2nd quarter.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And it was 21 yards on third and 22. And
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  Speaker 3: he throws that deep in to JSN. Well, that's against
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  Speaker 3: a Tampa 2 defense. There's a safety on that half
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  Speaker 3: of the field. There's a linebacker in the middle that
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  Speaker 3: could break on the play. And what he does... is
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  Speaker 3: the curl defender is the one over from the inside
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  Speaker 3: to the middle, excuse me, from the middle to the outside.
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  Speaker 3: You have the hook zone defender right in the middle,
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  Speaker 3: then comes the curl as we're working our way out,
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  Speaker 3: and then the flat defender, all right? And so both
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  Speaker 3: the hook defender directly in the middle of the hash mark,
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  Speaker 3: and then the defender one zone over adjacent, which we
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  Speaker 3: describe as the curl defender, Both of those had the
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  Speaker 3: potential to get underneath it. He actually shimmies his shoulder
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  Speaker 3: and looks off the curl defender and then smokes at
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  Speaker 3: exactly the right trajectory, right time. There's nobody in football
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  Speaker 3: that can execute that play better than what he did.
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  Speaker 3: The corner out to Cup, you remember the 24-yarder over
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  Speaker 3: by the far sideline? Cup didn't give you a millimeter
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  Speaker 3: of Nope. And you just credit the coverage there. But Locke,
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  Speaker 3: now I just described a velocity throw. Now I look
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  Speaker 3: and I say, hey, how does a backup quarterback feel
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  Speaker 3: comfortable with a touch throw? So now he throws a
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  Speaker 3: touch throw... over by the sideline, over the top, allowing
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  Speaker 3: Cup to make that one-handed. You can't throw it any
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  Speaker 3: better because that was the only place to get a completion.
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  Speaker 3: That is a big-time play by a quarterback and a receiver.
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  Speaker 3: Absolute big time. There's a play. They're in a two-back,
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  Speaker 3: and the corner comes off of the edge. The– who– oh.
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Bradford takes an L on the play, and so
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  Speaker 3: he's got a defensive tackle coming right at him. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the safety's coming over because of the cat blitz. What's
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  Speaker 3: a cat? The corner coming off of the weak side.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: With two guys like a very muddy pocket, he, without
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  Speaker 3: being able to step into it, he throws with a
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  Speaker 3: little sidearm. He can vary his arm angle. He throws
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  Speaker 3: a speed cut out route over to the Seahawks sideline.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was 13 yards, exactly 13 yards. That
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  Speaker 3: was based on what was in front of him and
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  Speaker 3: how he couldn't get his body into it. That was
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  Speaker 3: a big-time arm talent. He threw with great anticipation. As
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  Speaker 3: I said, all kinds of calamitous stuff was happening around him.
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  Speaker 3: The Seahawks did not protect well in that, but he
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  Speaker 3: stood his ground and with a varied arm angle, smokes
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  Speaker 3: a ball out to the sideline beautiful um even a
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  Speaker 3: little do you remember the time where they had put
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  Speaker 3: json in the backfield and he just swings around yep
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  Speaker 3: and and then he hooks up at five yards yep
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  Speaker 3: that that looks like a really easy throw and i
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  Speaker 3: don't want to yeah i don't want to overstate it
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  Speaker 3: okay because because the the plays i just mentioned were
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  Speaker 3: really big time but even the little stuff, the way,
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  Speaker 3: if you go back and watch the end zone copy
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  Speaker 3: of that, which, which the NFL, what the, what's the
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  Speaker 3: coaches study. They watch the all 22 and then the
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  Speaker 3: end zone copy. So I watched that same tape. It's
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  Speaker 3: called the intercut. When you watch it from the end zone.
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  Speaker 3: And again, there's a guy's barreling on him. He throws
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  Speaker 3: that thing sidearm around a rusher and, and, and, He
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  Speaker 3: throws it. It looks like a second baseman who just
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  Speaker 3: whipping the ball to first base. You go, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 3: That's not the aerodynamics of a baseball. It's easy to
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  Speaker 3: throw a baseball hard. It's not easy to throw a
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  Speaker 3: football hard. And he smokes it to a perfect spot
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  Speaker 3: with absolutely nobody behind. I don't mean nobody. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: no body inertia behind the throw. Even little stuff, he
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  Speaker 3: was doing where you say, wait a minute, that is
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  Speaker 3: starter traits. All those quarterbacks that I mentioned at the top,
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  Speaker 3: the Kellen Moores, the Daniels, the Harrells, the Mullens, the Zappies,
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  Speaker 3: the Barclays, the Jake Brownings, Case Keenums, those guys can't
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  Speaker 3: do what he did on Wednesday. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if we're going to see him for
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  Speaker 3: another week or another six weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me just, because I think most people can
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  Speaker 2: visualize a lot of those plays in their mind, and
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  Speaker 2: the physical talent has been there with him. As you mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: he falls in that second category. You know, it's funny
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  Speaker 2: because they've got the Cardinals this week and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert had a less than stellar game, 17-27, 2-0-9,
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  Speaker 2: a touchdown interception, a rating of 83.7 against the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 2: Herbert's one of those guys, if you're just like drafting
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  Speaker 2: off of, what, physical traits, Herbert's at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the list, isn't he? I mean, it's Josh Allen to him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking about top of the list guy.
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  Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, especially in the postseason, but even yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: it's never come together for Herbert. For Locke, he's never
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  Speaker 2: been a successful starter in the NFL. He will start
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  Speaker 2: This week, that'll be his 29th start coming up this
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  Speaker 2: Sunday in Arizona. He's played 42 games. His 43rd game,
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  Speaker 2: 29th start. It's never quite come together. I always think
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  Speaker 2: with Darnold, Hugh, it goes back to you look at
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  Speaker 2: Darnold's resume. You go to the Jets. Well, that's where
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  Speaker 2: everybody goes to die as a good quarterback, right? It
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: just doesn't matter. And then you bounce around for a while,
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  Speaker 2: and you finally found yourself as a backup and learn
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  Speaker 2: in San Francisco. Then you go as a starter under
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  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell. And then you come here and have this
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  Speaker 2: great success. That's Darnold's path, as we all know. With Locke,
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  Speaker 2: we thought he was going to get a chance to
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  Speaker 2: compete for the starting job with Geno, and that never
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  Speaker 2: came to fruition. It was Geno's job from the get-go.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, the one week he was going to take
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  Speaker 2: first-team reps in training camp that year, Locke got COVID,
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  Speaker 2: and he was out. So it never came to fruition.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think it's never come to Locke to
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  Speaker 2: be a successful starter in the NFL, despite all the
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  Speaker 2: physical traits you just talked about?
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  Speaker 3: Well, he was playing for the Broncos. Vic Fangio, wasn't
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  Speaker 3: he the head coach there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pre-Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 3: Vic Fangio is one of these old school red asses
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  Speaker 3: that he's like, quarterback, just don't screw it up. And
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  Speaker 3: he had gone 4-1 to start, but then they made
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  Speaker 3: a change and it was a bad fit with Fangio.
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  Speaker 3: I think COVID, um, uh, played a part for him
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  Speaker 3: because he gets a new coach and it's COVID. So he,
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  Speaker 3: they don't get the training camp and what have you
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  Speaker 3: playing for a, a non quarterback friendly coach, which is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you, you're, you're inclined maybe to poo poo that.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Millen, just, you know, play. No, no young quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be an offensive guru at head coach,
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  Speaker 3: but you've got to have an environment that's good for
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback. I used to play for the Broncos. I
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  Speaker 3: know more than I'm going to talk about. It was
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  Speaker 3: a really bad environment, and I'm not being charitable to
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  Speaker 3: Drew Locke. You would have had to be extraordinary defensively. to, uh, to,
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  Speaker 3: to fight through that. So, you know, look at, but, but,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he, when he's had his chances, he hasn't
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  Speaker 3: played consistently enough. Now here's the thing he's in year.
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  Speaker 3: He's in, is it year eight or year nine?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, go back to his years. Uh, year eight, year eight.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: So he's in year eight and, and he's, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: he's made 20.8 million. Might be 20.7, whatever. He's just
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: under 21 million. And he, and the way I calculate and,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you know, I kind of ran the numbers on, you know, when,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: when he was a giant, it would be more, taxes. And,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: you know, and when he's a Seahawk, he's not paying
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: state tax. I ran some numbers on this. And I
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: think now I don't know how he wants to live.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe he wants to own an island and a submarine.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: But for the most part, a reasonable, you know, investment,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: you know, I just calculated if he spent 500 grand
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  Speaker 3: a year and then he invested the rest at a
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  Speaker 3: rate that is exactly equal to Dow Jones, you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: just like a boilerplate analysis. He's just arriving right now
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  Speaker 3: I think at a time, or I could suppose, I
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: can't say I think, but I would, my speculation is
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: he's just about arriving at the point in his life
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  Speaker 3: where he never has to work again.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: No matter like he can, he can sleep in, he
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: can go throw the freaking tennis ball to his dog
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  Speaker 3: and coach high school football. Like he's never going to
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  Speaker 3: have to set his alarm.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And that could be liberating that emotionally. He's been exposed to,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, Sam Darnold, the way Sam Darnold quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: and an awareness of what the defense has. So he
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  Speaker 3: didn't turn the ball over on Wednesday. He didn't put
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the ball in harm's way other than that first corner
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: out over by the Seahawks' sideline. That could have been intercepted,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: but he protected the ball. And so it's possible that
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: in year eight, That that the things that got him
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: in trouble as a young guy, like, hey, I'm going
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: to show you that I got this arm because he
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: has it, you know, and I'm going to I'm going
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: to make my mark. And now you hear him say, hey, look,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: it's my job to be as supportive as I can
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  Speaker 3: to Sam. So maybe, you know, there's an evolution sometimes
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: with guys. I'm not in his head. I don't know
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: what his values are and what have you. But it's
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: it's not. unreasonable to have, have a discussion about maybe
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: these factors are playing into him playing well. And we
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to play well. Um, but
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: he played well Wednesday. Um, I mean, I think, I
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: think it's worth talking about that. There was four minuses
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: that I have, which is not many, by the way. Um,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: so we can talk about, he didn't play perfect on
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Wednesday night and he can clean some things up, but, but, um,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I kind of see a guy evolving at year eight
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: that's kind of learning how to play the game, learning
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: what his physical traits can do for himself, and realizing
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: when he's trying to throw it through a car wash
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  Speaker 3: without getting the football wet. I kind of compare him
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: to a Zach Wilson traits-wise. Uh, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: about the same height, quick release, really good athlete, velocity,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: all of this. But, you know, Zach Wilson has been
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: a junk show mentally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he just can't process, can't make good decisions.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Drew Locke, even if you, you took the worst view
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: of Drew Locke, uh, throughout, you, you, you could at least.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: see a glimpse that maybe he in year eight has
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: arrived at a spot through all the things we've been
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: discussing that he's prepared to play decent football. Now, he's
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: no Sam Darnold. I mean, I don't know, maybe he'll
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: pull a Kurt Warner in year eight and he'll do
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: something that we don't expect. But as I sit here now,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: there's no part of me that is not dying for
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold to get back. But I feel good about
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: this guy, and one thing we know, he's not going
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: to be limited in anything physically. Nothing.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Let me do this. Let's get a break and come back.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: We'll wrap up Hardcore Football with how will he, what
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: will he be limited to in terms of the Brian
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Fleury offense? Again, we're playing a guessing game here, but
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: are there things that they would change? And your thoughts
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: also on Fleury's offense as well as we look ahead
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: to the Cardinals game. Hugh Millen, Hardcore Football continues next.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: All right, we're back. Here we are. It's a Monday
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: afternoon hardcore football, Hugh Millen. Hugh, we've got about six
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: minutes here, so I'm going to fire kind of a two-parter.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully you can combine the two.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks at Cardinals on Sunday coming up. And the Cardinals,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: by the way, put on a clinic against the Chargers.
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  Speaker 2: They held the Chargers to 2 of 8 on third downs,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: 0 for 3 on fourth down. Chargers had 268 yards lost.
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  Speaker 3: Offense.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I talked about Justin Herbert's numbers earlier. Murray and Hampton,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: they're outstanding running back. 12 carries for 43 yards. They
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: ran for just 81 in the game and a couple
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: of those came on some chunk plays by Herbert and
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Hampton as well. So that Cardinals defense is not going
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: to roll over just to play dead for the number
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: one overall pick apparently on Sunday. You watch Brian Fleury
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and you watch Drew Locke with Brian Fleury for the
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: majority of the game. We just talked about Drew Locke
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and what Drew Locke's all about. In your mind's eye,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: what do you see from this offense, whether it be Fleury,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: how you liked what he did, didn't like what he did,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: and combine that with Drew Locke on Sunday?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that we can learn much from
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Brian Fleury on this, what his propensity to run different
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: plays would be. I think that they started to open
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: things up more in the third quarter, and I think
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Jadarian Price, I would expect, I would hope that he
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: would see the ball more. Now in Price's case, all
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: of his runs, except for the second one, were outside
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: generally wide zone runs. And his acceleration can really make
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: that scheme work. And so I would hope they'd lean
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: on him more, that he should get more carries. That
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: would be a big factor for me. And then for
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Drew Locke, you know, they, they, he's got to clean
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: up a couple of things that, that probably cost him
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: an extra eight points because he had the, the legal
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: shift in motion on the, the cup touchdown, right. That
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: got called back that ended up in a field goal.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And he had the, you know, the second and inches
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  Speaker 3: down by the, uh, the goal line, and they get
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: the delay of game, and that led to a field goal.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: So if they get second and inches at the, I
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: think it was a three or four-yard line, presumably they
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: plunge it in, and now they got first and goal
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  Speaker 3: at the two or the three. I'm going to say
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: they were going to score. So I think the eight
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: net points there. He had another one where he throws
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: the ball to JSN on a corner route down in
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: the red zone, and it was good coverage and what
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: have you. On that play, he had Rashid Shaheed on
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: a now slant coming wide open. If you would have
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: stopped the frame on the TV when he caught it,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: there wouldn't have been a defender in the frame. So
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: I know when Drew Locke watched that, he just, he
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: just goes, Oh my God, a walk-in touchdown. And so, and,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: and he, he ran into a, um, a sack early
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: in the game, um, where he had, he had JSN
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: on an OTB over the ball. And then, And then
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: return out, if he just stays in the throwing position,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: he's going to get a nice completion, probably 20-yard, you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: in a run after the catch, right? But that was early.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: That was among the, I don't know, three or four
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: first plays for him. And he got a little fidgety
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: in the pocket. But from that point on, Ian, it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: like he went and watched the Microsoft Surface, the tape,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: and he goes, whoa. What am I doing? And and
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: from that play on, his pocket presence was fantastic or
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: at least not, you know, no problems. I thought I
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: thought he navigated the pocket and made decisions as to
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  Speaker 3: when to move, when not to move, when to stand
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: in the barrel and throw the ball, even though you're
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: going to get hit. I thought his his. His instincts
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: in the pocket were sensational after that first miss that
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I just described. So I think that they're just going
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: to have to work this stuff in and find what
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: he's good at. I think that he throws the ball
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: to the outside very well. So let's get some comebacks.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Let's get some speed outs. A lot of times, guys,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: we just talked at the onset of the beginning segment
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: that the group of quarterbacks who have the traits– and
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: they are backups not because of their traits, but despite
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: their traits, meaning they have great traits. Generally, processing would
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: be a common denominator. They they just don't see things
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: as fast and anticipate and and see okay i gotta
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: see the movie before it happens well that's that's more
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: difficult between numbers but if you got a big arm
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: you know throwing those out outbreaking routes uh you can
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: just smoke it to the sideline because you got a
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: big arm and you don't have to process as much
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: so let's see if if we see more of that
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: um now That would take an adjustment from Flory because
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: he comes from the 49ers, and because they have Brock Purdy,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: nobody has a higher ratio of throwing inside than Brock
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Purdy because that's his superpower is his processing. He's elite
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: at seeing the movie before it happens, so he just
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: lays balls into these areas, and then all of a sudden,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: 49er receivers come out of nowhere and intersect with the
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: ball because the ball is just, it's a lollipop. But
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: it's thrown so early that it makes him work for himself.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: And so Flory, you know, it comes from a system
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: where the big diet of that is in the middle
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: of the field. He would have to adjust and say, oh,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: wait a minute. I got a guy who could smoke
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the ball to the sideline. Let's use that.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you to process him something in
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: one minute, okay?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is my QB1 processing something. A quick thought
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: on Jadarian Price. Ten carries, only four in the second half.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: You want to see him touch the ball more? What
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: did you see from the rookie?
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Well, as I said, everything was to the outside. You know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: the stretch plays, a toss, what have you. And what's
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: great about him is that he can make the timing
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: of that work because those blocks out on the perimeter–
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: you know, often involving AJ Brown.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Uh, AJ Barner. Yes. AJ Barner.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Um, I watch a lot of tape, uh,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: involving 88 Barner that, you know, you're, you can't block forever,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: but if you're fast enough to get there, it can
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: be a green light for him to get to the sideline.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Like it was, uh, I mean, you know, he had
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: a few breathtaking that first, That first stretch, well, the
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: first one that he ran, the first play of the
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: season was he runs stretch right. That's a wide zone
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: to the right going to the D gap on the
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: right side, D as in delta. And he ends up
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: taking it back to the D gap as in delta
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: on the left side.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Now, the gaps flow because the defense is pursuing and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: the linemen are stepping to that. So it's not quite
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: as drastic as that might seem because of the flow,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: but it was still a hell of a cutback. He
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: did it at full speed. He gets 13 yards. And
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: so the other stretches, I can already tell right now
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: he's going to be top shelf on the wide zone,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: which is their bread and butter. I still need to
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: see it on those inside, you know, the ice– the
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: iso and the duo and the inside zone so the
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: common inside runs that we see we haven't seen that
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: from him yet.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Great stuff as always my friend next week we'll have
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: an actual game to talk about that just happened 24
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: hours prior we'll do that on hardcore football i'm assuming
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: i love it more at four probably with softy today
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and throughout the rest of the week rqb1 the great
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: hugh millen always awesome to have you on my friend
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: thank you Thank you so much. That's our friend Hugh Milton.
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  Speaker 2: Take a quick break.
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  Speaker 3: Come back.
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  Speaker 2: Molly Watt Monday. God, stand by, buckle your seatbelts, and
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: get ready for that next.