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Tony Gurule: Muslim Population Growing As Christians Declining · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  So thank you guys.
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  Tony Grewley as our guest today, the website is radicaltruth.net.
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  He's got tons of great videos and a lot of very important content on sharing the gospel
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  with Muslims, apologetics, evangelism.
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  He gets into Islam.
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  We're going to talk a little bit about Islam today, obviously, with all that's going on.
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  And Tony, thank you for your time.
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  Good to see you again.
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  Great to be with you again, Dave.
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  Yes.
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  Thanks so much.
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  Now, let's start with Iran, Iran.
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  So a lot of people are so heartbroken if we have a pulse at what's going on there with
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  the slaughter of the citizens there.
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  Just talk to us about what you know.
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  Yeah.
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  Dave, I have a friend who was born in Iran, grew up in Iran, and was part, or I shouldn't
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  say part, but experienced the Evan prison there.
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  And basically is the notorious Iranian prison, Islamic run prison in Iran.
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  And people around the world, obviously, unless you're in Iran, don't understand all that
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  is happening there.
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  What a lot of people are seeing and hearing is obviously just what's on the news.
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  They had heard that on January 13th, President Trump had said, help is on the way.
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  Unfortunately, Iranians didn't know exactly what that meant.
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  They didn't know how soon that would be, what kind of help that would be.
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  They didn't know if the end of that sentence should have been in six months or next week
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  or so on.
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  But the Iranian people have basically rose up unlike they ever have before.
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  You know, a lot of people don't realize in general that in 1979, the late 70 revolution
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  that took place there, that wasn't just an islamization that took place, and then that's
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  something for people to point to saying, oh yeah, you know, that's the beginning of this
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  islam problem in the world was the late 70s.
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  That area was islamized centuries upon centuries ago around the time of Mohammed.
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  But after that, it became more westernized.
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  We saw colonialism happen in different areas of the world in different countries.
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  What happened in the late 70s was a re-Islamization.
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  In other words, that was an islamization of what was once known as Persia for a second
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  time.
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  And when the Ayatollahs came in who were basically voted in a large vote was based on the liberals,
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  leftists, the people today who we call socialists, communists, etc.
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  They were the ones who highly voted for the islamists who came in who then took out these
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  red people, whether they were communists, socialists, what have you.
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  Who are the first people who the Iranians took out after they actually took power?
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  Now, I'm going to give you a boots on the ground thing that I got.
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  I got this from a friend, again, who's from Iran.
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  Now this is a man who said this here.
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  Now this is what my friend said first.
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  My friend who I'm referring to said, my friend in Iran, who was recently arrested in a small
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  town, and again, this person who was arrested was a man.
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  He was beaten, badly tortured, and raped.
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  He witnessed women being raped by islamic militants as well.
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  Now this is what the man in Iran, who was arrested in the small town, actually said, this
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  is word for word here, hello dear, and then I took up my friend's name.
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  I'm exhausted.
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  I wish I had been shot so I could be at peace.
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  Day and night, all I do is worry that there might be a microphone hidden in my clothes,
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  and I've searched the room several times.
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  So this is the type of scenario that Iranians are facing there.
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  And if you're a Christian in Iran, you have it worst of all.
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  Because already you're being persecuted for being a Christian, in a country where the
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  underground church is growing like never before, and a lot of people are also not aware of
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  how large the underground church in Iran is.
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  But at the same time, you have a country under full sharia.
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  Now this is under the Shia where Sunni would be full sharia, say Saudi Arabia.
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  But Iran has a large young movement of people who don't want to have anything to do with
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  this Islamic radicalism, quote unquote, when again, radical just means to go back to the
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  root.
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  So a radical Muslim simply just does what Mohammed said to do.
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  And the Iranians up at the top are devout Muslims, just like the Saudis and other Muslims
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  throughout the world, who are devout and follow the primary sources of Islam.
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  Of course, Sunnis and Shias don't get together for a number of reasons, but they're both
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  following the Quran first and foremost, along with their sharia books and their Hadith collections.
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  So the Christians in Iran have it worst of all.
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  You have people who aren't Christians, but are just rising up against the regime who
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  are being persecuted as well.
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  At this point, we've heard the tens of thousands, maybe even to 100,000, Iranians have been murdered
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  because they want freedom.
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  They don't want to live under the Islamic regime.
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  And unfortunately, we don't know what's going to happen.
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  Again, we don't know what type of help Trump is talking about or how quickly that has come.
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  A lot of people think that it should have come by now.
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  But at the same time, the latest, this story just came out today, and this is the exact
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  headline, Trump threatens Iran if they don't make a deal.
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  You're going to, and he says this, this is what he said, you're going to be finding out
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  in the next 10 days, bad things will happen if it doesn't.
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  In other words, in the next 10 days, from now, and we're February 19th now, January 13th
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  is when President Trump said help is on the way, and he said this to the protestors.
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  So if the Iranian regime are basically hunting people 24 hours a day, that's 24 hours
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  and people being murdered, now we're talking over a month ago.
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  He said, helps on the way, Dave, we don't know what's happening.
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  I mean, but at the same time, President Trump needs Jesus.
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  He's a sinner.
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  Now, what's the alternative?
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  Biden was in office.
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  What would Biden be doing?
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  He probably would be giving Iran millions of dollars for something.
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  Like Obama did.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So it's like, we aren't in the, we're in a fallen world number one, number two, we have
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  a fallen human being as a president.
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  No president's going to be perfect.
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  However, we have to, we have to consider the alternative.
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  And what would be happening if Trump wasn't in office and someone else was?
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  Again, all we need to do is look to Biden, look to Obama, how they dealt with Iran.
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  So could things be better, yes, but could things be a lot worse?
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  The answer is yes as well.
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  Do you think, briefly, I know this is speculation, but do you think that there's a possibility
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  that President Trump got some advisors saying, we need to help these people and just out of
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  his heart and doing the right thing wanted to go and help because they were being slaughtered
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  by their own leaders, the government there.
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  And then he got more information on how really volatile and it really is complex.
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  The whole situation there.
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  It really is almost an impossible situation because who's going to take over new leadership
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  then?
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  I don't know that there's a good solution there.
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  So maybe he then got more information after he said help is on the way.
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  What are your quick thoughts on that, Tony?
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  Well, you figure it can't get any worse as far as becoming more Islamic because Iran
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  is under full sharia, which is the goal for the entire world.
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  Again, you have Sunnis and Saudi Arabia under full sharia, Shia, Shiites and Iran are
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  full sharia, but you can't get more Islamized than it already is.
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  All it can do is get less Islamized.
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  And again, I have videos on our channels of the late 70s when women were walking around
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  looking like Western women.
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  So it can change that quick as far as Islamization.
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  So now what's the alternative?
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  It's under full sharia.
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  So now it can become completely westernized again or it can at least become, there's different
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  people who are kind of putting names out there as far as what's the alternative.
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  It's like you have a new leader in the current Islamic regime or you have someone who was
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  like the Shah who wants actual democracy and so on.
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  So again, we don't know what's going to happen.
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  We may know in the next 10 days, as Trump said, what's going to happen?
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  Is there going to be war?
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  But how long is the war going to happen?
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  What's the what's the options after that is like, what's the ultimate, who's the ultimate
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  leader going to be?
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  Basically, that's what people are wondering.
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  Okay, Tony, before we come back, state side and talk about Minnesota and we have talked
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  a little bit about New York, I think, with you and Mamdani, if I'm mistaken, we can
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  talk about that a little bit more.
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  But you said something before we got on the podcast about Sweden that I wasn't aware
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  of.
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  What's the landscape like there and what's going on in Sweden that you can tell us?
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  Well, about 24, 48 hours, probably about 48 hours ago, James O'Keefe, who a lot of people
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  love because he's putting out undercover documentaries all the time and exposing a lot
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  of corruption.
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  He went undercover into Sweden, Rickaby, I believe, is the way he pronounced it and that
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  is one of the areas that has a large, very large immigration, immigrant population.
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  Obviously, a lot of Muslims and Sweden, I talked about and lights out when Islam rules
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  America back when I released that in 2019.
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  2019, you had people who escaped the Middle East who said, oh, I went to Sweden, so I'd
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  be safer and are now feeling threatened in Sweden because of the Muslims who are going
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  to Sweden as well.
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  In other words, the mass emigration to take place, you're not just importing people, you're
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  importing their worldview, you're importing their religion.
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  And of course, their culture as well, and that's an important distinction that people
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  don't make.
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  There's a difference between religion and culture, we don't want to conflate the two.
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  But people there being threatened because they have many Muslim immigrants who are going
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  there who see Jews and Christians and just non-Muslims as the enemy.
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  And in 2019, I had said in lights out that Sweden was widely known even then as the
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  rape capital of Europe.
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  And when I say the rape capital, that is of men and women.
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  Now just to go back to Iran there a few moments ago, the man recently said that he was raped
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  and he saw women being raped by the Muslim extremists as well.
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  So in Sweden, James O'Keefe was, I thought he'd be talking about the Islamization there.
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  His goal was actually to talk about Antifa and the red and this red green alliance, so
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  to speak, because he was trying to infiltrate an Antifa building stronghold and expose
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  what's going on there.
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  And what he did of all things is he went to a Muslim store and he bought some Islamic
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  garb and he put that in, I'm sorry, he put that on.
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  And when he went to this Antifa run building, he was like, he walked right in, he was catered
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  inside and taken care of simply because of what he was wearing.
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  And this just goes to show the strong relationship between the red and the green, the socialist
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  communists and Antifa and Muslims.
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  And this is a very long relationship that goes back many decades.
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  I have a number of shows that we've talked about on this.
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  And James O'Keefe was basically infiltrating this Antifa area and letting people know
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  what's going on there and about the relationship between the two.
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  And it's crazy that just by putting on that Islamic garb, he was welcomed everywhere.
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  No one thought anything, but guess what?
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  He had his undercover, he has his hidden cameras as usual.
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  So people need to go to his either ex formerly known as Twitter page because you can watch
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  his videos there.
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  And I'm sure they're probably like on rumble or some other platforms as well.
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  But again, it's just his latest expose on the relationship between the red and the green
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  and Sweden of all places.
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  And the thing is, is that these same type of videos have happened in the US years ago.
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  And on our channels, I have four different videos of a Jewish journalist, Arabic speaking,
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  who in America was exposing the goal for America and spoke with a lot of Muslims in different
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  parts of the US.
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  He also had a undercover video in Germany, France, and another country.
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  We have four videos though.
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  So James O'Keefe went to Sweden to do this at the same time.
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  I have videos on our channels about the same thing in America itself.
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  So it's just letting people know that this red green alliance is a worldwide thing, not
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  just a US thing.
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  Yes, thank you.
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  We've got to wake up to that fact, friends.
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  It is here.
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  Time willing, when we come back with Tony, we'll talk a little bit about Minnesota and New
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  York, talk a little bit more about why it seems like a lot of people aren't paying attention
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  to this.
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  Very serious problem, which Tony and I have talked about so many conversations.
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  In fact, the last episode we did with him was called Immigration and Islam according
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  to Muhammad.
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  It's not to assimilate, friends.
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  That's one of the points here.
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  All right, friends, Tony Gurulay is our guest today.
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  He is with radical truth and Tony, before we jump into some cities or states, what's happening
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  here, which I think caught a lot of people by surprise, you sent me some information on
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  population changes comparing the UK to North America.
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  And we have always said jokingly, really.
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  I mean, what happens in the UK doesn't stay in the UK, but sadly, that's true.
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  So explain to us your concerns here about the population.
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  When I did, Dave, I gave a couple of presentations back in September at a conference in California.
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  And one of them was called Islam in the last days.
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  And basically, we have a sermon version of that, but the coordinator of the event wanted
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  more of a warning to the people at the conference and of course, is online now as well.
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  And I figured what would be better than getting the census from the UK and the population
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  of Christians, Muslims and even atheists over the last couple of decades as well as
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  the US.
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  In the UK, they're odd year, they're 2001, 2011, 2021, where in the US, they were
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  2000, 2010, 2020.
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  And what's pretty crazy and interesting and alarming is that when I made lights out in
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  2019, I talked about how the UK was pretty much 10 to 15 years ahead of the US.
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  And unfortunately, in the last six years, we have moved very rapidly to where we are
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  now less than 10 to 15 years behind the UK.
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  But I'd warned that if we don't learn from their mistakes, we're going to follow in their
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  footsteps.
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  And if you want to put up the UK census here first, people, we need to look at these numbers
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  2001, just a good 2001 to 2021, if nothing else, Christians in the UK from 41 million
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  down to 27.5, Muslims 1.6 up to 3.9 and no religion 8.5 up to 22.2 million people.
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  So what do we have in the UK?
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  We have a lower amount of Christians and on its way to being in half of what it used to
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  be.
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  And this is just in the last 25 years, Muslims, we've already doubled the number and are probably
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  on the way to tripling it in just the next few years.
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  And at the same time, no religion 8.5 million in 2001.
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  So in the UK 8.5 million in 2001, this is no religion, atheists, agnostics, whatever.
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  And then up to 22.2 million.
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  So we don't only see Christianity dying, so to speak, because churches there are closing.
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  Years ago, you had secularization taking place.
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  And secularization, as I've always said, leaves a vacuum for Islamization, because Islam
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  is the one religious political system out there, religion and political ideology combined,
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  which is what sets it apart from every other man made religion and theological cult.
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  So if Muslims are more devout for a lie than Christians are for the truth, and therefore
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  Muslims are more outgoing about what they think is true, but is actually a lie.
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  And Christians, a very small percentage, are sharing the gospel, which is a solution
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  to all this, they're not, that totally explains not only the growth of Islam, the growth of
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  Muslims in the UK, but also explains the growth of people who were just non-religious,
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  who say, oh, I just don't believe in God or I don't know if God exists.
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  If you want to pull up the US now, we see a similarity.
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  Different ear and some different numbers, but same exact pattern.
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  Christians in the year 2,338.9 million, down to 237.6 million in 2020.
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  Muslims in the year 2003 million, now in 2020, 5.9.
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  So Muslims doubled in America in the six years ago, basically, and is even higher now.
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  And no religion, exact same pattern, 56.4 million in the year 2000, up to 114 million in the
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  year 2020.
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  So Dave, right here, we have a UK census, we have a North American census plus Canada
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  combined in there as well.
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  And what's even worse, what does every census do in America when it says Christians?
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  That includes Mormons, that includes Jehovah's Witnesses, that includes every other group
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  that claims to be Christian.
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  I didn't think that yet.
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  And yet it's still down over 100 million people.
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  So when I came out with lights out when Islam rules America in 2019, and a bunch of people
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  said it will never happen here, like I said to New Yorkers on January 1st, I'll never
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  say I told you so, all I'll say is you should listen to me.
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  Yeah, you know, you had me at something you said that Muslims are more passionate about
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  Islam than Christians are about the truth.
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  Really, you said Muslims are more passionate about a lie to them, it's all they believe,
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  it's all they know is the grander or Islam or Muhammad's, that's all they know.
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  But it's a lie, it's a false teaching, but they are more passionate and Christians are
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  not as passionate.
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  And that says a lot, it's part of the problem that we have here.
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  And you said the gospel is the solution, Jesus is the answer.
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  So Tony, in the last four minutes, I mean, maybe we might not go to Minnesota or New
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  York.
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  I think our listeners and our viewers understand what's happening based on what we have
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  shared before.
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  What we've talked about on this podcast about the red, green access, access, and we see
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  it.
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  It's clear.
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  You can't deny it at this point.
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  Go ahead, share whatever you'd like here.
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  We see the numbers and we see Christianity dying in America based on the census at least.
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  At the same time, we do see these pockets of revival happening throughout America.
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  At the same time, we hear, ignorantly, this many people just got saved.
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  When we do not save anyone, we are not the author of salvation.
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  We do not draw people to the sun.
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  We can present and persuade only the Holy Spirit can convict and convert.
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  And only time will tell because fruit will come from people who are actually born again.
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  And that's what matters.
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  In the census there that talked about Christians, how many of them are born again?
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  Because it's even lower than the millions of people that it's even listening to begin
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  with, whether they're Christians or whether they're, you know, the Christian population
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  has gone down, obviously.
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  So Christianity is growing in Iran where it's hard to be a Christian.
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  At the same time, Christianity seems to be dying to a degree in America where it's easy
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  to be a Christian.
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  So if this pattern continues, just as that census number continues, what's going to happen?
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  It will get worse in America.
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  We will get more Islamized than we are now.
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  And as Christianity grows in the east and Christianity grows in places where it's hard
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  to be a Christian, it's going to be harder to become a Christian in the places where Christianity
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  is still most prominent if we don't turn things around.
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  Because we need to learn from other people's mistakes and we're going to follow in their
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  footsteps.
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  Yes.
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  I think you said something very important that one of the reasons, I mean, look at the
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  Bible.
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  They were all persecuted, but the faith grew like crazy and it's spread.
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  We have it so easy.
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  It's comfortable to be a Christian in America, but there's nothing about comfort really
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  in the pages of scripture as far as living out our faith.
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  And that's what persecution spreads, the gospel spreads the church.
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  It's going to be interesting in the last minute and a half, twenty, whatever you'd like
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  to share to encourage the body of Christ.
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  The solution to the Islamization of America obviously is to uphold the Constitution of
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  Bill of Rights and don't let those be changed, edited, modified by anyone, especially
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  Islamists who would rather change the Constitution and change the basis of it to the Quran,
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  which obviously since Christianity was built, or I'm sorry, America's founding documents
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  were founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
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  If you bring Islamic principles in there, then those founding documents will change.
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  So there's a political solution to Islam and that is to simply not let your founding documents
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  that are based on Judeo-principals be edited, changed, updated or whatever else.
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  But ultimately, Dave, as we talked about, the ultimate solution is the gospel.
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  And not just the gospel, but Christians doing apologetics along the way.
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  So the gospel and apologetics are the defense of the Christian faith.
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  First, Peter 315, always be ready to give a reason for the hope to lie within you.
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  Second, Corinthians 10.5, we are called to destroy arguments raised up against the knowledge
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  of God.
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  Christians need to be able to share the gospel and defend it.
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  And know why Christianity is true personally and be able to share why Christianity is true
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  with other people, especially Muslims, especially non-Christians.
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  And the thing is that Muslims are some of the easiest people in the world to talk to
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  about God and Jesus because they already have a belief.
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  They just have a wrong belief of who they are.
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  So Christians need to get equipped in a radical truth.net.
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  We are prepared to equip Christians to go out, share the gospel, defend the gospel,
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  defend the Christian faith.
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  And we have the tools necessary to help keep Islamization from further taking place in America
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  and giving people the tools to share the gospel and again, defend the faith when necessary.
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  Amen, brother Tony.
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  Thank you again for all that you do.
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  Great conversation.
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  Thanks for your time.
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  Actually, part of it was quite sobering.
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  That's good for our audience.
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  Friends, God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.