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“Anxiety & The Afterlife”- talking ghosts with Johnny Houser (at the VIllisca Axe Murder House) · Caught on the Mike...

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SPEAKER_01: Due to some content, this question is advised.
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SPEAKER_00: It's October, and it's that time of year where we talk about things that go bump in the night.
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SPEAKER_00: My next guest, you may have seen him on the Travel Channel, on the Sci-Fi Network, or maybe you've seen him on stage rocking a guitar, or maybe even yet, he's led you on a tour of one of the most haunted places in the Midwest.
0:40
SPEAKER_00: I know him as my friend, Mr.
0:43
SPEAKER_00: Johnny Hauser.
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SPEAKER_00: We're gonna be talking about ghost stories, anxiety, how we deal with stress, and the overall state of society today.
0:53
SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mic.
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SPEAKER_00: Yo, welcome, my friend.
1:02
SPEAKER_00: What is going on?
1:04
SPEAKER_00: Man, it's been a long time since we've seen each other.
1:06
SPEAKER_00: I think it's been since the band days, yes?
1:08
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
1:09
SPEAKER_00: How many years ago was that?
1:11
SPEAKER_00: I think we did uh I think one of the last times we played together was in Auburn, Nebraska.
1:17
SPEAKER_00: At a teen club, and you were in a band called uh I don't even want to say it.
1:22
SPEAKER_01: It's the worst band name ever.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: It's the best band name ever, just saying.
1:26
SPEAKER_01: The band I'm in.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: That was good times.
1:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, like I remember being so excited to play that thing.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: But like, I'm if we went back and looked at ourselves now, I wonder how depressing that really was.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: For sure, for sure.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, you know, youth has its merits, and uh, it's always fun to kind of go back in time and look at those those memories.
1:48
SPEAKER_00: For sure.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: So uh do you play at all still?
1:52
SPEAKER_01: I haven't touched a guitar in years, man.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: I have zero desire.
1:56
SPEAKER_01: None.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: And I I'll try and pick it up, and it's like, eh.
2:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm the same way.
2:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm the I'm the same exact way.
2:03
SPEAKER_00: I think last fall, about a year ago, I sold my last guitar.
2:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh really?
2:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, after after not playing at all.
2:09
SPEAKER_00: I was just like, and it was a nice guitar.
2:11
SPEAKER_00: I was super proud of this Martin acoustic guitar that I bought.
2:15
SPEAKER_00: And then I just was like, I'm just not feeling this anymore.
2:18
SPEAKER_00: It's not where my headspace is at, so I just sold it, you know.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
2:23
SPEAKER_01: See, I I don't I haven't sold any of my guitars.
2:26
SPEAKER_01: They're like literally just laying on the floor in different rooms.
2:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I I haven't got myself to that point yet.
2:33
SPEAKER_01: But I know I'll never I I just don't care.
2:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, it just I get it.
2:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna be a rock star, so right, right, right.
2:41
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: Now we now we now we have kids to vicariously live through.
2:45
SPEAKER_00: And I've tried to encourage my kids to play, they don't care anything about it at all.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
2:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my mine pretend like they do for about five minutes and then and then they're out.
2:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: So um why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?
3:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
3:01
SPEAKER_01: Typical Gin Xer trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up, you know.
3:06
SPEAKER_01: It's forever I thought I was gonna be a rock star, and then that took a different turn.
3:11
SPEAKER_01: And you know, 44 going through a divorce, like here we are.
3:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you even do with it?
3:20
SPEAKER_00: We've been there, we've been there.
3:21
SPEAKER_00: It's it's weird whenever you kind of get into that that second win portion of your life, whenever you're kind of pressing the reset button a little bit.
3:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I because I went through that myself, and it's it's not a lot of fun, but a lot of fun at the same time.
3:35
SPEAKER_00: It just depends upon the what day of the week it is.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I went out and bought a Harley, you know.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: She always said, You'll never own a Harley.
3:43
SPEAKER_01: It's like first thing I'm and I've always wanted one, and now I have one.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: It's great, you know.
3:47
SPEAKER_01: It's it's kind of a new, fresh perspective on life.
3:51
SPEAKER_01: Like it's not all bad.
3:52
SPEAKER_00: Right, right, absolutely.
3:54
SPEAKER_00: So, creatively, you've got a podcast with Nick Groff.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's myself, Nick Groff, uh, Chad Lindbergh, who is on Fast Furious, uh October Sky, a bunch of movies, and my friend Josh Hurd, who runs Malvern Manor.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
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SPEAKER_01: Called the G Crew Podcast.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: Right now it's only on Patreon.com.
4:13
SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay, good.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: So I I gotta tell you, you know, um, there was one day I was just kind of sitting, it was a Sunday, and I'm cruising through the reality TV shows, and I think it was a travel channel or sci-fi, and all of a sudden I saw uh thing on the Velisca Axe Murder House, and there you were, and I'm like, what the hell is this?
4:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:38
SPEAKER_01: So how did you find yourself in the paranormal game?
4:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, well, at that point I'd played uh with a gal out of Nashville for a long time, and we kind of somewhat toured, you know.
4:51
SPEAKER_01: It was it was alright.
4:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I did another band and we recorded out in LA, out in Hollywood and stuff, and it was doing decent.
5:01
SPEAKER_01: And I ended up moving to Velisca, and I always knew about the Axe Murder House, and I befriended Darwin who owned it, and he's like, Oh, you know, I'll pay you to help out here and there.
5:11
SPEAKER_01: We're Chad Kalick and Ryan Buell got a hold of me on MySpace.
5:16
SPEAKER_01: Like this is how long that was ago.
5:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:18
SPEAKER_01: And uh They said, We want to film a documentary called American Ghost Hunter, we want to stop by the Axe Murder House, blah blah blah.
5:26
SPEAKER_01: They ended up doing it.
5:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, Chad Kalick, the producer for Paranormal State, and he was on Paranormal State, uh, was a fan of the band I was in, not the band I was in.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: See how that's awesome, it brings things full circle.
5:41
SPEAKER_01: But the one I was currently kind of in.
5:44
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
5:45
SPEAKER_01: And we just became friends and he kinda hooked me up with a lot of different paranormal stuff, and then when I met Nick Groff from Ghost Adventures is when it just I went full swing into it.
5:56
SPEAKER_01: So it just happened.
5:57
SPEAKER_01: It's just like puzzle pieces that just happened by itself.
6:00
SPEAKER_00: So prior to getting involved with that, where was your where was your state of belief?
6:06
SPEAKER_01: Um I always loved ghost stories.
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SPEAKER_01: Did I believe?
6:12
SPEAKER_01: Kind of.
6:13
SPEAKER_01: I was very much alien government conspiracy guy.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: Right.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: At that point.
6:18
SPEAKER_01: Like I was probably six months away from a tinfoil hat.
6:21
SPEAKER_01: Um but the whole ghost thing was very kind of new.
6:24
SPEAKER_01: I didn't have any idea that people wore matching t-shirts and investigated ghosts.
6:29
SPEAKER_01: Like it's almost like cover bands, you know.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: And then when I kind of got a glimpse of that, it's like, oh man, this is cool.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is way more fun than playing music in a bar.
6:39
SPEAKER_00: So continuing that train of thought, um, I don't know if we've told our listeners yet.
6:46
SPEAKER_01: Where are we recording this today?
6:48
SPEAKER_01: We are at the Velisca Axe Murder House in the upstairs kids' room, which is known to be the most haunted.
6:54
SPEAKER_01: So pretty spooky stuff.
6:56
SPEAKER_01: Put your headphones on and listen to this one.
6:58
SPEAKER_01: There may be some voices caught, who knows?
7:01
SPEAKER_00: That would be awesome.
7:02
SPEAKER_00: That would be awesome.
7:04
SPEAKER_00: Why don't uh you tell us a little bit about the the Velisca Axe Murder House and kind of give us give us the story.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of weird doing it in here.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: So June 9th, 1912, town has a church service, which got over about 10 p.m.
7:19
SPEAKER_01: Uh the Moores, family of six, come home with two little kids, Aina and Lena Stillinger.
7:24
SPEAKER_01: They were just friends with their daughter, Catherine.
7:27
SPEAKER_01: Next day the neighbor kind of notices something's up, so she gets a relative down, found two bodies downstairs, six bodies upstairs.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, all killed with an axe, hit multiple times with a blunt part.
7:40
SPEAKER_01: Mirrors recovered, half-eaten food left at the table, raw bacon on the floor, like weird crime scene, all destroyed by half the town.
7:47
SPEAKER_01: And detectives question people for five years.
7:50
SPEAKER_01: At the end of five years, a little minister named Reverend Kelly confesses, but he said voices told him to kill, and a shadow gave him the axe.
7:59
SPEAKER_01: He said he walked in, killed everyone, then he said he didn't, then he said he worked for the Queen of England, and he was acquitted of all charges.
8:06
SPEAKER_01: So it's Iowa's oldest cold case at this point.
8:09
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
8:10
SPEAKER_00: So there was I there were three suspects at the time initially, right?
8:15
SPEAKER_01: That's what the TV shows and a lot of podcasts and our website even says, but uh, you know, F.
8:21
SPEAKER_01: F.
8:22
SPEAKER_01: Jones, State Senator, Blackie Mansfield, Andy Sawyer.
8:25
SPEAKER_01: The reality was five years of gossip in a small town about a murder.
8:30
SPEAKER_01: Like they questioned people for five years.
8:32
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
8:33
SPEAKER_01: Everyone was it was like uh old man so-and-so is weird, he did it, which went nowhere.
8:38
SPEAKER_01: But F.
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SPEAKER_01: F.
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SPEAKER_01: Jones, a state senator who was on the front page of all the papers, went nowhere.
8:43
SPEAKER_01: Right.
8:44
SPEAKER_01: So really, there's three or four suspects everyone talks about today, but back then there were hundreds.
8:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
8:51
SPEAKER_00: I I you know it's it's funny, kind of tying it personally.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: I grew up in small town Iowa, or at least went to high school in small town Iowa, and I was the new kid in town.
9:00
SPEAKER_00: So anytime something went south in that small town, I was the first one that people thought.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, and and so I get that all too well, all too well.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: And you know, like by year three, there just like there's no motive in this, right whatsoever.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: So by three years in, people are just making up motives.
9:20
SPEAKER_01: Right.
9:20
SPEAKER_01: And that's where you get the possible affairs, business feelings, scandal, like all gossip.
9:26
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
9:27
SPEAKER_00: And they uh I know the common the common theme that gets shared is that this case was big enough that it knocked the Titanic out of the headlines when it happened.
9:39
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
9:40
SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
9:41
SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
9:43
SPEAKER_00: So uh the 1930s, 1940s, there was a series of seances here.
9:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they uh brought a psychic down from Red Oak named Miss Hamilton.
9:54
SPEAKER_01: And I'd love to do some more research on who this person was, but they thought they would try and contact, like, figure out who killed the Moors that way, which is always a great idea to have seances.
10:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's Yeah, I mean uh debatably, uh could that have been the thing that maybe jarred the spirits loose here?
10:14
SPEAKER_01: I think, honestly, that something was here way before the Moors were even killed.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, Reverend Kelly in his confession said a shadow came out of the Well, he said that voices told him to kill, he went for a walk, a shadow came out of the backyard, handed him an axe.
10:31
SPEAKER_01: Like nobody's talking about shadow figures in 1918.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: Right.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: I can remember in the eighties shadow figures were aliens, then interdimensional time travelers, and now they're the spookiest of ghost.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: Like so was something here beforehand?
10:45
SPEAKER_01: And if you go back to the DeFeo murders, the true story of the Amityville, he said that a shadow told him to kill.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: And he killed all like six members of his family with a rifle, no one wakes up.
10:58
SPEAKER_01: And the neighbors are like, Oh, it's thundering.
11:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, but a rifle going off in your house is a way different sound than thunder.
11:05
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
11:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I've listening to some of the stories of this place, uh, there's been ties to almost to a biblical sense about Legion and uh the voices, which is a little creepy in its own right.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm not gonna lie, I was kind of like bulletproof two or three days ago, and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna go talk with my buddy Johnny, and we're gonna sit in the the axe murder house, I'll be fine.
11:30
SPEAKER_00: And then I listened to this other podcast, and you know, they started talking about that stuff, and I I got a little creeped out, man.
11:37
SPEAKER_00: Not gonna lie.
11:38
SPEAKER_01: It creeps me out daily, you know, and I just try and distance myself.
11:43
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I mean, I was here with a guy from Kentucky, he drove 12 hours up.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, we sit up in the house and he's we're doing a spirit box session, which a spirit box is basically a a radio that sweeps frequencies and it's unmuted, so you get pop like a hundred a second or something.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: And I'm sitting there and he's like, tell me your name, tell me who this is, and you know, L or one.
12:08
SPEAKER_01: I am, I am one who, and like back I'm not hearing half of this.
12:12
SPEAKER_01: He bolts out of the house, like plants it down the ramp, you know, and he's like, Take pictures of your backs.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what is going on?
12:20
SPEAKER_01: So we start taking pictures of our backs, and like you could see the L forming.
12:25
SPEAKER_01: And as the this is how long ago it was of the old digital camera, a real camera, every flash you could see it form, form, form.
12:34
SPEAKER_01: Like that happened right in front of my eyes, you know.
12:37
SPEAKER_01: And in the recording, it sounds like it said the the L word.
12:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, and I that's like a whole side of things I want nothing to do with.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: Whenever I uh so I was discussing with my wife uh second episodes of the podcast, and I kind of told her that you and I brush paths about doing this sometime, and she goes, Why are you not doing that now?
12:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, Okay, well, I'm gonna reach out to Johnny now.
13:01
SPEAKER_00: So I reached out to you, and so then I kind of get on the YouTube machine and one of the videos, she saw something, and I and I've watched other interviews where you said it doesn't happen, but she saw something where somebody said that they had had brought the spirit home with them.
13:17
SPEAKER_00: So under no uncertain warning by my wife, she's like, Do not do anything that's gonna piss something off and you bring them home with you.
13:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, like the way I see it is like here they have a a revolving cast of people to mess with every single night.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: Like if it's to come home to my house, be like, dude's been watching the office for seven hours straight, and like I'm going back to the axe house.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: Right, right, yeah.
13:46
SPEAKER_00: In my house it would be Cobra Kai.
13:48
SPEAKER_00: Like, he's gonna watch that show a fourth time on a row?
13:52
SPEAKER_00: You know?
13:53
SPEAKER_01: I've had people and I've had stuff follow me home before, but it's like things will happen for a day or two and then it's just stops.
14:00
SPEAKER_00: Right, you know.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: So um one thing that I've actually paid a lot of attention to is some of the EVPs that have been captured here.
14:08
SPEAKER_00: What are some of the weirdest ones you've heard?
14:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh the scariest one I've ever heard is about a minute.
14:14
SPEAKER_01: Um it sounds like the murders happening.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's hard to listen to.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: Um you hear boom, boom, and like a woman screaming, and then boom, boom.
14:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean it sounds like what the murders would have sounded like.
14:29
SPEAKER_01: And I was here when the team caught that.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: We were just talking out the barn, and we got loud returned people, and one of them goes, I'm just gonna throw a recorder in while we're doing this while no one's in the house.
14:39
SPEAKER_01: And he threw it in, came out, and we talked for an hour, and he got it, and hit play, and it was there instantly.
14:45
SPEAKER_01: And we were like, Whoa.
14:46
SPEAKER_01: So I know for a fact no one was even in here.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
14:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, I've had minute-long conversations, a woman with an English accent talking about getting the coroner, and that was caught on a Tuesday morning about 2 a.m.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: in February.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: It's like nobody's outside.
15:02
unknown: Right.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: 2 a.m.
15:03
SPEAKER_01: when it's like tin below out.
15:04
SPEAKER_00: Now you've kind of uh when we were talking outside before we started recording, you said you kind of alluded to the fact that um sometimes the house here has seasons, if you will.
15:15
SPEAKER_00: Um is there is there certain times of the year when the paranormal activity is a little higher than others?
15:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've looked when I first delved into this and I'm like, okay, this is real.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: Like there's no speakers, there, you know, nothing cheesy like that.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, there has to be a pattern to this.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: So I've looked for over 15 years for patterns in birthdays, anniversaries, moon phases, storms, the eclipse.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: I've seen nothing.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's weird.
15:40
SPEAKER_00: It's just so random.
15:42
SPEAKER_00: That's weird.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: That's weird.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: Since you've become more intimately involved with the house, how is your view on the afterlife changed?
15:50
SPEAKER_01: Um I 100% believe in good and evil.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: I mean, all we gotta do is turn on the news to see that that's evident.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: Um I've I've never seen a ghost.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: Right.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: And everywhere I've been to insane asylums, old prisons, serial killer houses all over the country, some of the most haunted places.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: I've still never seen a ghost.
16:15
SPEAKER_01: Uh Nick and I kind of think maybe it's more of time slips with alternate dimensions and things of that nature, which 10 years ago would have sounded like we're totally crazy, but like scientists are really looking into that now.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: There was like I I think it was the first month or two in the quarantine, there was a science report about parallel dimensions, and they're actually starting to confirm that now.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: Like every thought we have creates 11 different I think I remember reading that whole thing.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's pretty it's pretty insane.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: Since doing this, you've kind of become um more intimately involved with the uh paranormal community.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: Um you've done a couple of conventions.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: What's something about yourself um somebody might be surprised by in light of that?
17:06
SPEAKER_01: You know, my paranormal friends and community are completely shocked that I used to play music.
17:12
unknown: Like, you know?
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: And then a lot of our my music friends are completely shocked that I do paranormal stuff.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: But you know, uh riding the Harley, going to the gym, that's like what I really do.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: I I'm in a similar, similar boat.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, I haven't played in a band in nine years, and there is a whole segment of people that are in my life now that were like, you played in bands?
17:37
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, yeah, that was my life.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: That was my life.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: That's how everybody knows me in my head.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, there's this whole other subset of people that that know me in another light.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, so there are some other haunts in southwest Iowa here.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, one of them you briefly touched on, Malvern Manor.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: Did you touch on that a little bit?
17:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it was the cottage hotel back when the axe murders happened.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: So the first thought Josh heard and uh who runs that place and I had, it's like if the killer rode the train that morning and killed the Moors, he probably stayed at the cottage inn the night before.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then it was an old folks home for a while, and then it was like a mental home for a while.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: But the lady who ran the mental home would put a an alcoholic in the same room as a schizophrenic.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: Like she just wanted to help people, but that's making an explosive area for that place.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, a little girl named Inez reportedly haunts the place, um, who hung herself or was found hung with a jump rope in a closet.
18:42
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: Uh, we're not sure the details on all that.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: There's a Gracie who had, I think, 13 different personalities.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, the place is I went to take a tour of the place, and I'm walking down the nurse's hallway, and I see something uh my peripheral vision, like a shadow go by.
18:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:00
SPEAKER_01: And I stop and look down the hallway, and you can see kind of blacker than black, like it's darker than the dark.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: Oof.
19:06
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just staring at it, and I blank my eyes, I turn my head away, look back, and it just goes boom, right at me.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, whoa! Like that just happened.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: So I called Nick instantly, and we did the paranormal lockdown episode there.
19:19
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: Woo! Woof.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: So and I I've like from what I can tell, the the activity there has been kind of kicking up.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:29
SPEAKER_01: Like and you know, it seems like I'm friends with a lot of people that own haunted locations, and it's like the more people come the every night after night after night, it just ramps up, ramps up, ramps up.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: And I've seen this place, like what it was doing 15 years ago is nothing like what it's doing now.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: It's changing, it's morphing and adapting.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: And that kind of that kind of lends to what your theory on the house itself is here, that it maybe isn't the Moors or the Stillinger's.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, that it's maybe the house itself.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you kind of want to expand on that a little bit.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: I think the house is haunting itself, that we can create hauntings, and I think we partly created this by opening it up, putting stuff back where it was, inviting people to investigate.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: Like that just was like turning on the light switch.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: I hope the Moore families in heaven, having the time of their life, care nothing about this.
20:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, at one point we were getting EVPs in French, there are zero French ties to this area.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: So I I really think the house is just Well, you walk into a room and someone had an argument, you feel that negative energy, it's real and it lingers.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: Um something like this that had like an atom bomb and negative negative energy dropped on it that had to imprint into this place and negative or energy doesn't disappear, you know.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: So maybe I don't know.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: I I just really in my gut feel like this place is just haunting itself.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: So since you've been doing this, what's uh what is the overall number one weirdest experience that you've had in this house or otherwise?
21:06
SPEAKER_01: So the weirdest thing I've ever had in this house is right in the room we're sitting in.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: Um it was I feel safe.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: It was a Friday night, the overnight's canceled, so I thought I'm gonna go grab a 12-pack and just go fix some stuff in the house.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: So I locked the door so nobody would walk in, and I'm up in this room fixing the bed over there, and I hear somebody walk in the house.
21:30
SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, seriously, people, come on, we're not uh we're not open, you know?
21:34
SPEAKER_01: Then I was like, well, obviously we're not open, they just broke in, idiot.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: So I thought, okay, these people have no idea I'm up here.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have a blast with this.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: So I hide in the closet, I shut the door, and the plan was scare the crap out of this kid and just be like, dude, why are you breaking in?
21:50
SPEAKER_01: If you want to see it, I'll just show it to you.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Right, you know.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: So the walking goon round all downstairs, starts coming up the steps, comes in this room we're in, I kick the door.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Open, do the big blah, nothing.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: And right then it's like somebody knocked the wind out of me.
22:06
SPEAKER_01: I was like, ugh.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: And so I reluctantly checked the whole house.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: The door was still locked.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: Watch a surveillance video.
22:13
SPEAKER_01: There's nothing.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: And you can see on that door where I kicked it where it split.
22:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: And that pay that's I kicked that thing hard.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: Jeez, dude.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: It took me probably three days to come back, and I stepped foot in the kitchen.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I gotta work here, leave me alone, I'll leave you alone.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: We gotta have some boundaries here.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: Screw with the overnights all you want.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: They're fair game, but just uh I have at least two times a year where I gamble on a fart and lose.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: That would that would probably be number three for me.
22:43
SPEAKER_01: It's like, I mean, it live it felt like I got the wind knocked out of me, and it was the cliche blast of cold air.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: I always heard that, and I'm like, oh everybody says that, but yeah, that's real.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: So my viewpoints on religion are very similar to my viewpoints on politics.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: They're unique to the individual.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: You are an individual, so is everybody else.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Everybody's sense of belief is unique to them, and if it's different from yours, that's perfectly okay because that's what makes them them.
23:16
SPEAKER_00: So separating the idea of religion um from spirituality, philosophically speaking, because spirituality is something totally different.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: From a spiritual sense, have you found a certain sense of peace with the potential existence of this paranormal phenomena?
23:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean I'm totally comfortable with it.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, and I don't know if I'm just like slowly turning into Norman Bates here or what, right?
23:43
SPEAKER_01: But like, I mean, I'm every day I do this, and whenever it's my time off, I'm doing conventions.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm just surrounded by people who believe in ghosts and people who think Bigfoot's a time traveling alien and just odd characters, which I love.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, it doesn't scare me at all, really.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: Any I mean that instance with the footsteps, it was it was just so loud that I knew.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it wasn't even it's a ghost, it was somebody broke in the house.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: And that just kind of took me by surprise, but I mean, I'm always walking over to here and like, hey guys, just me.
24:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm up here cleaning, you know.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: And that's a you know, that's a that's a that's a good point of view, you know.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: And you know, you touched on going to these conventions, and you know, I think we're a lot closer, which could be a totally separate episode of the podcast itself.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: I think we're a lot closer to our government flat out saying, okay, we've got aliens, this is where they're from.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: Well, dude, like two months ago, Pentagon said we have in our possession off-world vehicles.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: They said they have UFOs, they've got them, and nobody cares because Tiger King was on, right?
24:48
SPEAKER_01: You know, like nobody cared at all.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's just so like I don't think we're we're too far off from the other side of things and other things being brought to reality that I I I say that anybody's a conspiracy theorist hasn't ever had to manage more than ten people before because if you've had to manage more than ten people, one person's gonna spoil it.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh, for sure, you know, for sure.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: But there are things that I'm sure that have been concealed from the public lexicon for good reason.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh to not not stir up that panic.
25:19
SPEAKER_01: And like in the ever-expanding infinite cosmos uh that goes on forever, and there's billions of habitable planets, if we are truly it, how special does that make us and how bad are we screwing it up?
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: You know, but I mean it's just it it's mathematically impossible that there's not at least some microorganism would be alien life, you know.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: And that's just it.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: Whenever you when you look at infinite galaxies and infinite worlds, that means there's infinite possibilities.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: So nothing's off the table.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's not saying, you know, believe every crackpot thing you hear, but it is like saying maybe you just need to stop and listen with a little bit more of an open mind.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: Like I you know, if an alien has found a way to traverse time and space, probably through a black hole, why do they need flashing lights on their spaceship?
26:13
SPEAKER_01: Well, like I don't buy the that, but you know, the the footage of the tic-tac.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, yep.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's just to me, that's like, okay, that's a hundred percent proof.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: Like it's giving off no propulsion at all.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: Like I've never landed specifically in one set of beliefs or one set of mindset.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, what I do have and what I can share is, you know, I have a slight anxiety disorder, you know, and my biggest um trigger is the concept of death.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: Like, and I struggle with that more than I will go nights without sleeping if I get into one of those head spaces.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: Granted, I have my workarounds for those head spaces.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: So, in a weird and unique way, like being in a paranormally based environment is comforting for me.
27:09
SPEAKER_00: So I and I I hope that doesn't sound too weird, but because I think people look at death as a horrible thing.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, what if it's the greatest thing ever?
27:18
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, you know.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: What what if what if it is that black hole, that interdimensional black hole that you're talking about, you know, and that's you know, keeping open-minded to different concepts without like trying to tie yourself to one religious or spiritual idealism, you know, just being open-minded with that thought.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: So decompressing comfort zones, you know.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: So what does Johnny Hauser do to decompress?
27:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, like I'm full of anxiety all the time, too.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh super hypochondriac.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: Like the mind plays tricks on you, you know.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: I have my moments of depression, then I'm probably bipolar, slightly probably everything, you know.
28:00
SPEAKER_01: And like with anxiety, I stopped drinking coffee, and that kind of went away.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: Because I noticed I'd wake up in the morning, down like five cups of coffee, and I'm just looking at Facebook, and I'm like just getting more amped up and amped up and amped up.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: And then like for all the rest of the day, I'm just like so stressed, and so I just stopped drinking coffee.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: I stopped caring about social media.
28:25
SPEAKER_01: The gym is a huge, huge, huge one.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: Um and I I'm old school with my music still.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: Like for me, going into the gym and like blasting old Panther or Slipknot or something is just like such a release of just uh it's primal.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: It is, and there's been times I've like got through with the dumbbell and just kind of threw it, you know, like ah berserker mode.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, I was like 275 at one point and I lost all that, and then like right before lock or during lockdown, I've gained like 20 some pounds.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: I think I'm 225 now, which is like, man, I gotta stop, I gotta get my head straight again.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: But what it took for me, um, is just rewiring the brain.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: Like I listened to fitness podcasts for like two months before I even started going to the gym just to get in that mindset.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: It's uh so your coffee is alcohol for me.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: I I realize I can't drink booze anymore.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll I'll have drinks on special occasions, maybe, but I think I can only recall two times in the past two years that I've actually drank.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: And it's the same thing as what coffee was for you, is I I drink, um, get drunk, wake up the next day and feel like I need to apologize to everybody I know for things I didn't even do.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: And that would last for about a week straight.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Like if I don't get up and go to the gym in the morning, or if I take a proverbial rest day, yeah, like I regret it almost instantaneously.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: And it's like it kicks up that anxiety and podcasts.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: Man, I'm right there with you.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: The book that changed my life, and I know we're gonna get hot and heavy on this one, is uh late year 2018, David Goggins released Can't Hurt Me.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: I listened to that book, and I would say for about a week straight I was pissed off at the world because of direct parallels to my own life.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: Two weeks later, I'm running 10 miles without even breaking a sweat.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: And it's just changing that mindset.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: So Yeah, I uh I was big into Jocko for a long time, and that's uh how I came across Goggins, I believe.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: And I listened to that audiobook and it I mean just life-changing.
30:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: You know, like do something every day that sucks.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: Yes, you know, to take that suck power away from it.
30:57
SPEAKER_01: And yep.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: Like I've listened to that probably that whole book probably five times, and you know, now I'm like after quarantine's over and I'm trying to get back in the swing again, and it's just like I need to listen to that book.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: I I've said the same thing to myself.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: It's like, it's probably time I need to listen to that book again just to get me back in the mode.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: I did hear that he is writing a second book and he's got a clothing line coming up, which is which is pretty exciting.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be spending a lot of money.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: You and me both, my friend.
31:25
SPEAKER_00: You and me both.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I mean, it's just like I can remember when I was the deepest into it.
31:30
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm look I'm like, okay, what would suck right now?
31:33
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm gonna clean my kitchen with a toothbrush spotless.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: So I did it, and now I'm like, uh, I'd rather play video games and eat chips.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, I need to get out of that mindset quick.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: So you did in the in the heat of you doing that, you did a Spartan race, didn't you?
31:50
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
31:50
SPEAKER_00: How how long did you train for to do that?
31:53
SPEAKER_01: Well, I kind of kept doing what I was always doing.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, as far as because they don't tell you the obstacles, you have no idea what's coming your way.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh so I got like about a two months beforehand, I get on the Spartan thing, and they have a Spartan Beast training program.
32:09
SPEAKER_01: And I was doing that and it ramped up to like run a mile, lift this, 40 pull-ups, like burpees, run two miles, and like at the end of it, you're doing like probably 15, 16 miles.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: And I was doing that, it's like, okay, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: Fly to North Carolina.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: It's 40 degrees and pouring rain and all mud, and there's just zero way to train for that at all.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: You know, it was bad, and like the whole time, like I'm free, everybody's seeing their breath, everybody's freezing.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: It's like, why did I do this?
32:44
SPEAKER_01: This is so stupid.
32:45
SPEAKER_01: Like, I have a tendency of trying to talk myself out of things constantly, and then as soon as we get in the little pit and they do this Spartan chant thing, like I just started dying laughing.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: So, like, this is so stupid, and then it went, and it was just like this camaraderie between everyone there that was so amazing.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: It's like we're all in this suck together, right?
33:09
SPEAKER_01: And everybody was helping everybody, and yeah, it was so much fun.
33:14
SPEAKER_01: Good.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: You think you're gonna do one again?
33:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know.
33:19
SPEAKER_01: I I I want to because you know, I made it half halfway through this the Spartan, and what happened was I was up half the night, we were all up the night half the night before we couldn't sleep, a few hours of sleep, and the camel back I had, I had amino acids and everything in it with my water.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: Well, instantly the hose is so clogged up with mud.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're just covered in mud, like I can't get any water out of this.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: So I did I think it was I can't remember how many miles, is over around eight or nine or ten, uh, with no water, and I'm starting to cramp up, and my left leg cramps, my right leg cramps, and like they just locked.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: And all they had was like little shots of pickle juice, like one throughout that whole thing.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: So it's totally dehydrated, and then I started getting hypothermia, and uh when they took me to the tent and I ate a banana and drank some Gatorade, and within half an hour I'm ready to go again.
34:18
SPEAKER_01: It's like can't, you know.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: But uh, that was like I think they said the hardest Spartan beast to date because of the weather conditions.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I believe it.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: I believe it.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: It sounds like it.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: Assuming we get out of this uh this real life horror movie that we're living in, known as the pandemic alive.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: What is uh what's Johnny Hauser got going for himself for the next year?
34:42
SPEAKER_00: What what are some goals?
34:43
SPEAKER_01: Uh I want to get back in shape, you know, get back into the gym, start eating better again, uh, which I definitely will do.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: Got a lot of events coming up.
34:52
SPEAKER_01: Um we're booked, G Crew's booked for Dallas, Texas Paracon in August 2021.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: So I'm just hoping that life gets back to normal and events start happening again and concerts and yeah.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I'll I'll still be sitting at home and doing axe tours and hitting the gym and riding the bike and fantastic.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: I kind of want to simple things down.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, simplify a little bit.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: I feel like my whole life I've always been chasing that big thing over and over and over and over, and I just want to just stop doing that and just live life and enjoy little things.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I get that, man.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: I guess I think that's kind of the thing about this pandemic is it has forced all of us to kind of take a step backward and and reassess.
35:37
SPEAKER_00: You know what's weird?
35:38
SPEAKER_00: I miss lockdown.
35:40
SPEAKER_01: That is weird.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: I miss it.
35:42
SPEAKER_01: Really?
35:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: See, like we would me and the two kids, I mean, we were just like, okay, let's go on a drive.
35:50
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:50
SPEAKER_01: And I it was it wasn't I'm not missing the lockdown.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: I I think I just really l enjoyed just me and the kids driving.
35:58
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
35:59
SPEAKER_01: And now it's like life's somewhat back to normal and they're just kind of back off on their tablets, and it's like, I mean, it's just doing stuff.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: Like old school.
36:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, and I I think I think, you know, going back to the whole spirituality mindset, I think that that might be to some degree, if you want to find a silver lining, and maybe this was something intervening in our day-to-day lives to tell us to kind of put the brakes on a little bit, start embracing family life again a little bit, start appreciating the small things and the little day-to-day things that you know we were taking for taken for granted.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: Granted, you have the opposite side of that where the social media extremes got ramped up and are are dividing society even more, but I mean there is things out there that are kind of like the voice in our ears telling us to kind of get back to where life was.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: And you know, as far as like the division and stuff, it's just like I'm divided on that as well.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think young people, their job is to change the world because that's going this is going to be their world.
37:04
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
37:05
SPEAKER_01: However, there's not going to be a big revolution, you know.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: Like the cart the wooden shields and stuff.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: Like as soon as the cops intervene, it's over with.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: Let alone special forces or navy seals, you know, military.
37:21
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
37:21
SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's it's kind of it's good protest, it's play acting revolution.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: Right.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: Which is what kids are supposed to do.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: But if you want change, become a cop.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: Run for office.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: You know?
37:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: That's where change starts when you're in charge.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: So it's October.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: You're probably getting a little busy with this place, yes?
37:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: Good old.
37:48
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is the month where it's just like by the end of it, I'm done.
37:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm ready.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: Because we we close here November 1st.
37:55
SPEAKER_01: We still do overnights, but day tours are done.
37:57
SPEAKER_01: So it's just end of Halloween, I'm just like, oh, I don't want to talk to anyone for like a month because that's all I've been doing all month.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: So if you're at liberty, I don't know if you're at liberty to disclose this or not, but uh who's the biggest guest you've seen come through here?
38:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh well the slipknot guys did an overnight uh part of them.
38:21
SPEAKER_01: That was super cool.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: Which I gotta tell you this story.
38:24
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: Um I'm in the barn, and I never know who the overnights are.
38:29
SPEAKER_01: And this nice BMW like SUV pulls up, I'm like, man, this dude's got some cash.
38:35
SPEAKER_01: Girl steps out, yeah, it's beautiful, you know, and this dude steps out, huge long hair, and he stretches back, and I see seven tattooed on his arm.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that's Mick Thompson, I think.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: And then a few others come out, and I'm like, okay, I gotta be cool.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: So it's like, oh, where are you guys from?
38:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, West Des Moines.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yep, that's them.
38:54
SPEAKER_01: I go, you stay in the night because he into the ghost stuff, or they go, ah, we just want to get some shots to show on stage before like we come out.
39:02
SPEAKER_01: So this comes out of my mouth, you in a band?
39:06
SPEAKER_01: And he goes, Yeah, Huey Lewis in the news, you ever heard of us?
39:10
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I'm an idiot, I know who you are, I have no idea why I said that.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: So the next day I come over to make sure their stay is good.
39:18
SPEAKER_01: In the 15 plus years I've worked here, I've never done that for anyone.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: Right.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: So like, ah, everything good, you have fun.
39:25
SPEAKER_01: And Mick and I talked about Xbox for like an hour and off they went.
39:30
SPEAKER_01: And so that was a pretty cool one.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: But I'll get bands that come through.
39:33
SPEAKER_01: Like I had this one, he's like, Oh, I'm a musician.
39:36
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Oh yeah.
39:37
SPEAKER_01: You know, he's like, Yeah, we just got off tour with Lady Gaga.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Yeah, no, you didn't.
39:43
SPEAKER_01: I guarantee you didn't.
39:44
SPEAKER_01: And I got the name of his band in his white tie affair, I think.
39:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
39:49
SPEAKER_01: And then looked it up and yep.
39:50
SPEAKER_01: Sure enough, it was him.
39:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:52
SPEAKER_01: And I kind of wanted to come back and like get a picture with him just because, but it's like, I don't know that band.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm sure they're good, but yeah, yeah, I I can't say that I'm familiar with their music either.
40:04
SPEAKER_01: My the coolest one, I got an autograph CD uh from John Five, who of course um and the CD is called Where Are You Going With That Axe, and the song number two is called Veliska.
40:16
SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: So like he's obsessed with the axe murder house.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome.
40:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
40:21
SPEAKER_00: And it uh for our listeners, if you don't if you're not familiar with John Five, he was a guitarist, he played Marilyn Manson for a little while, he played with Rob Zombie, he's done his own thing, phenomenal guitarist in his own right.
40:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's pretty cool.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so he stayed here.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: Uh no, he's he never did come here.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's unfortunate.
40:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I I made up like a gift pack and sent to him of stuff from the house, including like a clown doll from here.
40:48
SPEAKER_01: And so on the DVD of his little tour that he was doing, the cover of that is the clown doll that I gave him.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome.
40:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I hope he comes someday.
40:57
SPEAKER_00: That would be super cool.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: But that would be fantastic.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: That would be fantastic.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: Do you ever run into people, and I'm sure I know the answer to this, but do you run into people that kind of feign a sense of inauthenticity with their experiences here at the house?
41:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, for sure.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: People faking it, in other words.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, I think power of persuasion is a real thing.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: In fact, I know it is, because when I like first month I worked here, it's like I'm gonna see how gullible, not gullible, but like well, I would just be like, Oh, it felt cold.
41:32
SPEAKER_01: Did you just feel cold?
41:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did.
41:34
SPEAKER_01: And then I progressed with it.
41:35
SPEAKER_01: It was like, did you just hear that?
41:37
SPEAKER_01: What'd it sound like?
41:38
SPEAKER_01: And I'd go, like the dumbest noise I could, and they're like, Yes, I heard that.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: And I told everybody after I did it, I go, that never happened.
41:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:47
SPEAKER_01: But see how power of persuasion, you know, and I do it with teams just so like don't go into places like this with a preconceived notion because that could taint your investigation.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
41:58
SPEAKER_01: Um you know, a lot of people I've had people show me, oh, I got a picture of a ghost, and it's obviously the ghost app.
42:05
SPEAKER_01: Like I I'm not an idiot, I know what's out there, and right.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: I just, oh cool, man.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, whatever.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: There's so much content out there on this.
42:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, just to kind of prepare, you know, to talk about this a little bit.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: I watched a bunch of YouTube videos, read a bunch of online stuff, and it is kind of hard to kind of decipher between what the consistencies are and what the inconsistencies are.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: But I I think whenever you told the story about some of the things you experience and such, those are some of the most consistent uh points on on, I guess, the paranormal map of things that occur here.
42:46
SPEAKER_01: And like I know this place so much now that somebody will tell me a story that they've had happen.
42:52
SPEAKER_01: And as far as evidence, I only rely on my evidence for real.
42:57
SPEAKER_01: But people will tell me what they have had have had happen, and it's usually always repeating stuff that I'm like, yep, that's right, right on the money, or they'll say something totally off the wall in like 15 years and hundreds and thousands of people.
43:10
SPEAKER_01: I've never heard that, so I'm guessing that probably didn't happen.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: Right, you know what is the percentage of people that make it through a full overnight here?
43:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, probably 75%.
43:25
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
43:26
SPEAKER_01: Um that's more than I thought would be, to be honest with you.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of it's paranormal groups, so like this is what they're after.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: Right, okay.
43:33
SPEAKER_01: And then that other 25% are like thrill seekers who think, oh, this would just be fun, and then something really happens and they're like, we're out of here.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: Right.
43:42
SPEAKER_01: Um and then uh the other percent is the six ladies that's known each other their whole life once a week, they do something wacky together.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: That's you know, and they're usually drinking wine and laughing and having a blast.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: I could see a bunch of basic pumpkin spice.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: And getting spooked.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: But you know, it's like a lot of people do, but then there's just these moments where it's like the house just has a bad vibe happening.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: Right.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: And I'll watch during those days I'll watch day tours and they're out of here in like five minutes.
44:16
SPEAKER_01: Usually I have to kick them out.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: Full transparency and full disclosure.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: I've felt nothing but good vibes myself since we've been here.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: And it might just be because of the because of the energy we're bringing into the space.
44:27
SPEAKER_01: That's the pattern I've seen.
44:28
SPEAKER_01: Like you I was talking about patterns with nights and anniversaries and stuff.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: I've seen more pattern with people.
44:35
SPEAKER_01: Like I don't want to talk to a dick when I'm alive.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: Like you just I think people get what they want out of this place.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: You come up wanting to hit the hornet's nest with a baseball bat, you're gonna get stung.
44:46
SPEAKER_01: If you come in just happy, putting off good vibes, absolutely good.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: And that's that's exactly where my headspace is at because I was super excited to see a friend I hadn't seen in quite some time, other than online.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: And uh I I think uh I think we've been rewarded with uh with the good vibes in the house today.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
45:08
SPEAKER_01: And you know, that's just something you carry off into life, right?
45:12
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely be a good person.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: We're we're only gonna get out of it what we put into it.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've I've talked to all walks of life that's come through here.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: I've talked to Muslims, like, well, the news says that we should hate each other.
45:27
SPEAKER_01: Do you hate me?
45:28
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't hate you.
45:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just like people are just really good people, it's just that percent that they show over and over.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely, and it's just you you have to make a conscious decision to will the good into the world.
45:43
SPEAKER_00: And it it's hard, man, because I I don't I'm not good at it every single day.
45:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm not either.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: And actually, I I would say that I'm only good at it 40% of the time.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: But you know, I'm gonna be really good at it at that 40% of the time I am good at it.
45:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like, you know, I'm very much you know, I'm I live in Iowa.
46:05
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm 44 years old, I love America, and when I see people like burning the flag and stuff, it really ticks me off.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: But I fully it's like the Johnny Cash thing.
46:15
SPEAKER_01: Right.
46:16
SPEAKER_01: He said, I'm so proud to live in a country where we have the right to burn this flag.
46:21
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, but I'm also love the fact that I live in this country where we have the right to go beat the crap out of that person that burns my flag.
46:29
SPEAKER_01: Right.
46:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, it just absolutely and I think that that's just it.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're just we just gotta get to a place in society where we can kind of sit with people that maybe don't share the same idealisms as us.
46:41
SPEAKER_00: That's called being human.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, but we can appreciate it because that's what makes everybody special.
46:47
SPEAKER_01: I love talking to people that have completely different views, right?
46:50
SPEAKER_01: And that's a you know, yelling and fighting and everything's not gonna change anyone's views, it's just gonna cement their opposite views because they ought to uh get defensive immediately, you know.
47:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
47:02
SPEAKER_01: I was reading a thing where uh you know with social media and stuff, like kids today don't really have friends, they get all their interaction with social media and they're all in these little clicks, and they post a thing of so-and-so's bad, and they get a million likes, and that reinforces their beliefs.
47:20
SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of creating the divide along with the news.
47:23
SPEAKER_01: Right.
47:23
SPEAKER_01: I think real life getting and talking with each I don't care what people do.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: Right.
47:28
SPEAKER_00: You you almost you almost wonder if the world wouldn't be a better place if the internet was temporarily gone.
47:33
SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: I could care less what opposing views anyone has, and I just love people.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
47:40
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
47:40
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that's a I think that's a fantastic note to wrap things up on, and uh, I want to thank you for this opportunity.
47:48
SPEAKER_00: I've been like pacing around excited for about three or four days about being able to do this and to have you on the second episode of my podcast.
47:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's my pleasure, and I think the most fun was just getting to see you again and just likewise talk, sit and have a conversation with an old friend.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: That hasn't happened for I don't know how long in life.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: And it's gonna happen again.
48:09
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I do um, and this is something I I hope that my listeners can take away from this.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, whether it's the last episode of the podcast or this episode of the podcast or future episodes, um, this first wave of guests are people that I genuinely care about, and I think you guys are gonna genuinely care about.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: So please, if you uh you're willing to do this again, I'd love to have you.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: Anytime.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
48:34
SPEAKER_00: I want to once again thank my good friend Johnny Hauser for doing the podcast today.
48:39
SPEAKER_00: It was super cool getting to catch up with an old friend, and it was doubly super cool getting to record this where we did.
48:48
SPEAKER_00: Spooky.
48:49
SPEAKER_00: I have a special ask of our listeners today.
48:53
SPEAKER_00: Please go to whatever your podcast host is, whether you subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, wherever.
49:03
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49:08
SPEAKER_00: This pushes us to the top of the search engine when people are looking for new content.
49:14
SPEAKER_00: As a postscript to this episode, because I have received so many texts asking me this.
49:22
SPEAKER_00: Nothing directly scary happened while we were in the axe murder house, but I did have some weird audio issues while I was trying to edit this episode.
49:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh, moments where the volume would spike really loud and then it would get real quiet.
49:37
SPEAKER_00: It was kind of unusual.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: I think I've got it figured out, uh, at least well enough so I can air this for you folks.
49:45
SPEAKER_00: But uh So far, so good.
49:49
SPEAKER_00: And on a final and more sombering note, we got some heartbreaking news today.
49:56
SPEAKER_00: Eddie Van Halen passed away of cancer at the age of 65.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: I know so many people that were deeply impacted by his artistry, and I'm one of them.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: So this episode is dedicated to Eddie Van Halen in his memory, and to all of you Van Halen fans out there or people that were touched by his music.
50:20
SPEAKER_00: This has been caught on the mic with Michael Clark until next time.
50:26
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.