Latest / Only Bombs! Comedy Podcast / ONLY BOMBS! 32: Kimberly Koester | The Sacrifice, the Stage & the Comedy Addiction
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- 0:20To the podcast, where we blow up all the jokes,
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- 0:29of Pop, soda pop, pop, pop, baby. It's your show.
- 0:49You do whatever you want. All right. I got on
- 0:50Kill Tony again. I don't know if you remembered
- 0:52that. You knew that. Oh. I just got on. Oh, my
- 0:55God. Like a month ago. A month ago. I think I
- 0:58did see it. Because you got a big joke book.
- 1:00He said how much he loves you. Yes. And everything.
- 1:03Yes. And oh, wait, I forgot what they're talking
- 1:05about. But I remember they were kind of like,
- 1:07they're bringing up like the same shit, I think,
- 1:09weren't they? You know, me being a cougar. Yeah,
- 1:11all that. Yeah. You get that every time, don't
- 1:13you? I do. Yeah. That's crazy. I know. I think
- 1:16so, too. How do you feel about that, like, when
- 1:19the whole Cougar thing? Well, it's flattering.
- 1:21It's flattering? I mean, you know, I'm 55 years
- 1:23old, so that people think I'm still fuckable
- 1:28is, I guess, nice. Yeah. I mean, I could, yeah,
- 1:33I could look really old, so it's a compliment.
- 1:35Yeah. I mean... I do look old, but, you know,
- 1:39fuckably old. No, you look better than... most
- 1:4355 year olds to be honest with you like seriously
- 1:46like you know it is weird when you get in your
- 1:4850s you you look at other 50 year olds and it's
- 1:53like do i look like that you know it yeah i i
- 1:57went back to my hometown and um someone from
- 2:01my high school was like hey kimberly i'm like
- 2:04who in the hell is that old guy and then i realized
- 2:07he was someone really cool from high school oh
- 2:10wow yeah didn't recognize him at all Oh, I'm
- 2:13just now getting into that, you know, because
- 2:15I turned 41. And so I'm just now starting to
- 2:19see that because I'll see people and I'll be
- 2:21like, oh my gosh, like this dude's got to be
- 2:23like 50 some of that. And then they're like,
- 2:25oh no, I'm 40 years old. And I'm like, do I look
- 2:27like that? Yeah, I think everyone past like the
- 2:30age of 38, you can't, you know, you can't tell
- 2:33anyone's age. No. Because some people look really
- 2:35good and some people do not. No, no. Starts to
- 2:39catch up with you. Yeah, there was something
- 2:41else. I forgot. Like I said, my little slate
- 2:44gets wiped clean. But there was something else
- 2:46I think my sister and I were talking about. And
- 2:48there was somebody that they were referring to.
- 2:51that was like, oh, I think they just passed away.
- 2:54And they were like 51. And they were like, oh,
- 2:56they were so old. And I was like, asshole. That's
- 3:00like 10 years older than I am. Like, it's not
- 3:03that old. Yeah. I remember in high school, one
- 3:06of our classmates died in a car accident. And
- 3:08we were all sitting around after the funeral.
- 3:10And one of my friends is like, oh, my god, that's
- 3:13so young. 17 is so young. 30 is even young. And
- 3:18I remember at the time thinking, well, is it
- 3:20though? Right. Yeah. Of course, 30 is young.
- 3:25Yeah. Now you're kind of like, I mean, I look
- 3:27back at it and I'm like, even people who are
- 3:30in their early 30s, I'm like, oh yeah, they're
- 3:33young. Yeah. They're young. Because I mean, I
- 3:34think what it is too is a lot of the life experience
- 3:37that you get and when you start actually like
- 3:40learning about life. Yeah. It's a, I think, you
- 3:44know, you go through like your 20s and you're
- 3:46sort of figuring yourself out. You're not really
- 3:48thinking about life in general. And then you
- 3:51get older and you start thinking about life.
- 3:53Right. Yeah. You know, what I, I have, I have
- 3:56sons in their twenties and I feel like Gen Z
- 3:59though is so much more savvy than I ever was
- 4:03in my twenties. And it's because of technology,
- 4:07but like, I didn't know what a narcissist was
- 4:11until I was like 40, you know? And my son and
- 4:14I talk about the characteristics of narcissism
- 4:16and, you know, all these things that they can
- 4:20research. I had, I had encyclopedias. The Britannica.
- 4:25Yeah. Always missing volumes. Yeah. And three
- 4:28channels. I didn't know anything back then. Yeah.
- 4:32I kind of grew up the same way. Only had just,
- 4:35I don't know. I think there was like four channels
- 4:37that I watched. and one of them being Comedy
- 4:40Central from way back in the day. But nowadays,
- 4:46even on my Samsung TV, there's thousands of channels
- 4:50that they just give you. I don't even watch it.
- 4:55Because how can you even discover anything? Yeah.
- 4:59There's too many choices. Yeah. But you're right
- 5:02about Gen Z, about that. Because they have everything
- 5:05at their fingertips. Yeah. I love that generation.
- 5:08I love Gen Z's. They're just, I don't know. Aside
- 5:12from the tech savviness, is there like another
- 5:14kind of... I don't know. They're just kind. They're
- 5:16really kind people. Yeah. You know, when I first
- 5:20moved here, I worked in a salon and my two best
- 5:24friends, my two best coworkers were 21 and 23.
- 5:30And we would just sit and have conversations
- 5:32all the time. And, you know, it was like, we
- 5:36just... I don't know. They're just so fun to
- 5:39bullshit with. But then, you know, you're a millennial,
- 5:43so I won't talk too badly about you, but millennials
- 5:46and boomers are very similar to each other. I
- 5:51feel like maybe they take things more seriously.
- 5:53I don't know. But then you have Gen X and Gen
- 5:55Z, and we're just, in my opinion, kind of just
- 6:00bullshitters. I don't know. Yeah, in an odd way,
- 6:03I still don't even know what the hell the millennial
- 6:06thing is. Like, I'm learning the Gen Z because
- 6:10just because of just conversations I have with
- 6:13people, you know, a buddy of mine, Scott and
- 6:15I, we were just talking about Gen Z and we were
- 6:18talking about like how they're going to be like
- 6:19the next, you know, I was like, can you imagine
- 6:21these guys like as like spec ops, you know, like
- 6:25like Navy SEALs or some shit. And then we just
- 6:27went off on this whole thing about, like, yeah,
- 6:29they're going to be pulling up in helicopters
- 6:31with, like, lights and, like, lasers. It's going
- 6:33to be, like, bumping, like, a pink rope. Yeah,
- 6:36yeah. Well, I have a theory, you know, because
- 6:38my kids played the damn Xbox all the time. And
- 6:41it's like, I wonder if the government is training
- 6:44them to be soldiers, because they're sitting
- 6:46in the room for hours killing people. It's like,
- 6:48they got really good at it. Yeah, they get really
- 6:50good at it. That was basically the wrap up of
- 6:53the story. Like we said, some people think that,
- 6:56you know, they're a bunch of pussies, but I'm
- 6:57like, watch them actually be like fucking bad
- 7:00ass. They're like, watch them just straight like
- 7:02slay, you know, and like it's nothing, you know?
- 7:06It's like, they're just submerged in all this
- 7:08like technology and violence and it's just like
- 7:11given all at once. I've heard what comes out
- 7:14of their mouths when they're in those rooms or
- 7:18whatever. Jesus. Yeah, it's bad. It should be
- 7:22illegal. Yeah, suck my ass, you cock -sucking
- 7:25piece of shit. I have a joke about that. Yeah.
- 7:30In my joke, I say, and this actually happened,
- 7:33and my son and I laughed about this so hard the
- 7:36other night. When he was in middle school, he
- 7:39came downstairs and he was crying, and it was
- 7:42because his friends were being really mean to
- 7:44him on the Xbox. Oh, really? Which is really
- 7:47embarrassing. But I went up there and put his
- 7:51headset on. And I'm like, boys, someone's being
- 7:55mean on the game. And I just hear, what the fuck?
- 8:04And in my joke, you know, I talk about being
- 8:07a cool mom, which obviously that's not a cool,
- 8:10but my son is like, God, I was such a chud. I'm
- 8:17such a chud. Oh, man, I love that chud. I know.
- 8:24You're savvy with all the terms now. I am. Yeah.
- 8:28Well, that's because I work with those 20 -year
- 8:30-old girls. They taught me all the, you know.
- 8:33So you're like getting in there, right? Yeah.
- 8:36Oh my gosh. So when you were their age, how did
- 8:39you look at older people? Oh, I hated them. I
- 8:42was scared of old people. Right? Yeah, because
- 8:45I thought they were going to go off on me at
- 8:47any moment, you know? They probably would have.
- 8:50They probably would have, yeah. That's because
- 8:51it was a different generation. It was. Those
- 8:53would have been the, what are they, the greatest
- 8:55generation, the war people. Right, yeah. My uncle,
- 9:01one of my great uncles, he used to like, Like,
- 9:04I used to always get, like, the hairs in the
- 9:05back of my head standing up, because he would
- 9:07just walk by and just slap me in the back of
- 9:08the head for no fucking reason at all. But every
- 9:11time he came by, I was like, oh, you know, just
- 9:14waiting for it, and it never happened. You know?
- 9:16Yeah. They were the generation that would just
- 9:19straight up go, well, that's a stupid question.
- 9:21Why are you stupid? You know? They were mean.
- 9:24They were mean. They wouldn't explain nothing
- 9:26to you. No. because they would just be like,
- 9:29you need to learn it yourself. And it's like,
- 9:32I don't know what I don't know, asshole. Yeah,
- 9:34that made us even dumber. We didn't have tech,
- 9:37well, they probably didn't know either. That's
- 9:41probably why they didn't explain anything. Yeah,
- 9:43that's the cold hard truth. They had no fucking
- 9:45clue. No, no. Yeah, but nowadays, if I just randomly
- 9:49slap somebody in the back of the head, it's like
- 9:51jail. Just fucking jail. Right off the bat. They
- 9:55were like, you abuse children, you're going to
- 9:56jail. You can't even threaten anyone anymore.
- 9:58No, no. You can't even like, I'm going to punch
- 10:00you in the face. It's like, damn, dude. Yeah,
- 10:04you can't say shit. You can't do anything. You
- 10:07can't move, you know. You got to be careful.
- 10:10Be careful these days. Yeah, this new generation,
- 10:14like this, I guess like the brand new people,
- 10:16because I'm right there. This new generation
- 10:18of comedians and everything. And I'm one of them.
- 10:22I've only been in it like three years now. Yeah,
- 10:25but you're not a newbie anymore. No, no. There
- 10:29is kind of like an evolution. Yeah. And I'm starting
- 10:32to notice the evolution. And from talking with
- 10:36a lot of the other comedians who have been in
- 10:38for like a year, things like that, I kind of
- 10:43find myself telling them like, oh yeah, I remember
- 10:46when I used to do that. Yeah. And it's kind of
- 10:49like growing up. There's an evolution to it.
- 10:54But you always hear about these guys who drop
- 10:57everything, and they're living in their cars,
- 11:01and they're not dreaming responsibly. And I know
- 11:05we kind of touch base on almost like the addiction.
- 11:10It is an addiction. It's like, I mean, I've never
- 11:12done heroin, but I've heard it's a lot like heroin
- 11:15because when you get that first big laugh, like
- 11:18when you're in a great room and you get that
- 11:20serious, solid laugh and the adrenaline hits
- 11:24your body, you chase that. And then you want
- 11:28an even bigger laugh next time. And, you know,
- 11:31you just want that high and you just chase after
- 11:34it and you'll do anything to get it. You'll drive
- 11:36three hours for 10 minutes at the time. Um, and
- 11:41then on the other side of it, when you get the
- 11:42bomb, you know, you want to kill yourself. And
- 11:45bombs. But no, it's, it's the truth though. It
- 11:49is the truth. I actually, I'm fortunate enough
- 11:51to have had, I was filming my first big laugh.
- 11:55And so I got like to see like the look on my
- 11:58face and you could see like the pure shock. Like
- 12:01I was like, I was like, what the? You guys can
- 12:05do that? Do you remember your first big laugh?
- 12:11Actually, I do. I was on stage at ComedyWorks
- 12:16in Denver, which is an amazing room. This was
- 12:20like new talent sign up. I have it too. It's
- 12:25on my Instagram. Yeah, the big laugh and then
- 12:30I stop and I go, thank you. I feel that. I totally
- 12:35feel that. And I didn't even walk to my car.
- 12:37I just like floated. My feet did not touch the
- 12:40ground. Yeah. Yeah, I know what you mean. Because
- 12:43I'm pretty sure that night, because this is back
- 12:47when they had Dogwood. I don't know if you ever
- 12:49went to Dogwood. Just a little bar, but I used
- 12:52to love the mic that they did. And it was right
- 12:56around the corner from tiniest. Oh, okay. So
- 13:00you could sign up at Tiniest and you know you're
- 13:02going to be a while. So you can go do Dogwood
- 13:04and come back for your set in Tiniest. And it
- 13:07was like Thursdays, and that's what I used to
- 13:08do. Nice. And so it was a typical thing, signed
- 13:11up at Tiniest, went over to Dogwood, and I just
- 13:13said my joke and people laughed. And I was like,
- 13:17whoa, you know? Yeah. And then I go to Tiniest
- 13:19and no one laughed. Yeah, see, it depends on
- 13:24the room, the crowd. It depends on the room,
- 13:26yeah. So what do you think about people who are
- 13:30like, you know, changing or rearranging their
- 13:32lives around it? I remember when I first started
- 13:35comedy, an older comedian said, you know, comedy
- 13:39will ruin your life. And I've been thinking about
- 13:42that a lot lately. It's like, oh, God, you know,
- 13:45the things I've sacrificed in order to be a comedian,
- 13:49you know, just moving from Colorado to... to
- 13:54Austin and, you know, closing my business and,
- 13:58you know, it's not, I've cried more in the last
- 14:02year and a half from like, you know, my living,
- 14:06uncomfortable living situation than I have, you
- 14:10know, being a single mom for 16 years. It's like,
- 14:14it's not easy. And so that uncomfortable living
- 14:16situation is all centered around comedy? Well,
- 14:19I think, well, You know, I think back like if
- 14:22I didn't do comedy, I would have never moved
- 14:25to Austin. I wouldn't have had that addiction
- 14:28for it. I would have just found a good job and
- 14:33probably got married to some guy and, you know,
- 14:37I'd be baking casseroles right now somewhere.
- 14:40Yeah, it's a different life. Yeah, it is a different
- 14:43life, but it is worth it. You know, I'm not complaining.
- 14:46It's that... that time on the stage is worth
- 14:50all of that. It really is. Yeah. There is a thing
- 14:54about it. Even when you just set foot off the
- 14:58stage, you're already ready to go back up. Yeah.
- 15:01Despite even feeling drained. Yeah. You're wanting
- 15:04to go back up. Yeah. It's like, I want to do
- 15:06that again. Yeah. But that person that has a
- 15:11set right before you, I sit there really nervous
- 15:16going, why am I doing this? Why am I here? Why
- 15:18am I doing? And then you get on the stage and
- 15:21it all goes away. But yeah. Yeah. So you have
- 15:23that, like that initial like that. Oh shit. Oh
- 15:26shit. Oh shit. Yeah. Okay. That's good. That's
- 15:29good. Cause you've been doing it. How long have
- 15:31you been doing it? Five years. Five years. Yeah.
- 15:33So I'm not that far. ahead of you. Yeah. Always
- 15:36a learning process. It is. Yeah. When they say
- 15:39laughter is the best medicine, I always think
- 15:41like, yeah, it's just like being a doctor. There's
- 15:43a practice. Yes. You know, and it's a constant
- 15:46learning and things like that. It is. Yeah. Yeah.
- 15:49So what are some of the biggest risks that you
- 15:51found from moving everything around for common?
- 15:55I realized that I don't like working and having
- 15:58a job anymore, but I really do need to have a
- 16:01job. Yeah. You know, so yeah, I am I Don't eat
- 16:07them all so I'm a hairstylist and you know once
- 16:11you've gotten on a few big stage and you've gotten
- 16:13Some great laughs and then you go to work the
- 16:16next day. It's and you walk in it's like why
- 16:20is the neighbor one applauding? And I just walked
- 16:22in the door, you know? Yeah. So no one's at work
- 16:26has ever been like, oh, I saw you last night
- 16:28on like Kill Tony or anything? No. No. Yeah.
- 16:31Yeah. It's hard to be, you know, treated like
- 16:35an employee and a servant after you've had, you
- 16:41know, people cheering for you. It's like, you
- 16:44know, so yeah. And that's just my ego. Well,
- 16:50yeah, I get it I get it but there is a certain
- 16:52level of ego because you put a lot of work into
- 16:54it Yeah, and that's where the ego I think comes
- 16:56from Yeah, so for me what I do is like, you know,
- 16:59whenever I have a great set or something I'll
- 17:00call my brother or my mom or something like that.
- 17:02Who do you call? Like who do you sons? Yeah.
- 17:05Yeah, they love that huh? They do. Yeah. Yeah,
- 17:09they they seem to anyways they you know Yeah.
- 17:14Yeah. Well, what are your conversations like
- 17:15after a good set? Do you just unload on them?
- 17:22I do. Yeah. That's great, though. Yeah. Yeah.
- 17:25And then I always stop myself like, I'm sorry.
- 17:27All I'd ever talk about with you is comedy. I'm
- 17:29sorry. How's it going? How's your girlfriend?
- 17:33I do the same thing. I literally do the same
- 17:35thing. I'll be talking for like 20 minutes, just
- 17:37telling my mom about the podcast or, you know,
- 17:39just if I did a set and I'll just tell her about
- 17:41it and I'll be like, oh, wait, I'm sorry. I'm
- 17:42sorry. How are you, mom? How are you doing? I
- 17:45love you very much. I'm sorry I didn't ask. I
- 17:48said it. We're addicts. Yeah, yeah. Sorry about
- 17:50that. How's the lupus? Is the lupus going well?
- 17:53Oh, yeah. But anyways. Yeah, right? Exactly.
- 17:58You know, but no, it's true. There is a level
- 18:01of addiction to comedy. You know, it is just
- 18:04something like almost, I don't know if you feel
- 18:07the same way, but it's almost like a masochism
- 18:09in a way. Oh, it is. You know, it's because you
- 18:11are getting punished. Most of the time. Yeah.
- 18:14I mean, yeah. And I don't know how many heckle
- 18:16mics and joke roast mics you've done, but...
- 18:20I've never done really any of those. You haven't?
- 18:22Yeah. I did the banana phone and afterwards I
- 18:26was thinking, it's like, why do we do that? Yeah.
- 18:29Why did I just stand on a stage to have people
- 18:33bling insults at me? Like, why did I do that?
- 18:37I remember I was there for that. Because I was
- 18:40watching that. And the only thing I kept thinking
- 18:41of during that time is, where's the good jokes?
- 18:45Because it was all the same shit. It was all
- 18:47the same. Yeah. Yeah, OK, I'm old. Right. Cougar
- 18:52shit. Yeah, I already heard it a million times.
- 18:55Yeah. There was one funny one. I mean, someone
- 18:58said I look like handsome Squidward. And so I
- 19:02had to look him up and I'm like, okay, I get
- 19:04it. I get it. Like, I get it. But I'm like, at
- 19:09the same time I don't. It's the jaw. I don't
- 19:12know. Right? It's like something. It's just some
- 19:15accented features there. But so like what kind
- 19:19of other avenues do you go down to explore as
- 19:23a comedian? Well, you know, I've started dipping
- 19:28my toe in producing shows which really yeah,
- 19:31I can't really brag about too much yet because
- 19:35I like I did a Show in Iowa in my hometown and
- 19:39that was so much fun. Oh nice. Yeah, it was uh,
- 19:44it was a big theater It was like a 500 seat theater
- 19:46and I got Charlie Mack to come and oh nice and
- 19:51Sancho to come, you know, I tried to pick comedians
- 19:54that anyone who watches Kill Tony would know
- 19:57who they were. And it was so fun. The problem
- 20:02was is that there was a country music concert
- 20:07the next town over. So it wasn't a huge... It
- 20:11was dead. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't a huge ticket
- 20:13seller. But I still had so much fun. It's like,
- 20:17I did this. I put this on. That sounds so cool.
- 20:21So I want to do more of that. I want to take
- 20:24comedians from Austin and bring them to the Midwest.
- 20:31These mid -sized towns in the Midwest don't have
- 20:34a lot of live comedy. So it's kind of an untapped
- 20:39market there. And they're such good audiences.
- 20:43They love it. They probably like really want
- 20:45that kind of release, you know, that just like
- 20:48laughter, the release of laughter. Yeah, you
- 20:50know, you do comedy in a large city like, especially
- 20:53Austin, where there's, you know, a comedy show
- 20:55on every corner. The audiences are kind of like,
- 20:59okay, make me laugh, funny boy, you know, whereas
- 21:02you go to a town where there hasn't been a live
- 21:07comedy show there ever. They're so excited. Yeah.
- 21:11Which audience would you rather perform in front
- 21:13of? I'd rather be in front of these people that
- 21:15are just hungry for comedy. Yeah, just super
- 21:17enthusiastic and ready to laugh. That seems like
- 21:20a whole winning thing. Yeah. A lot of these places,
- 21:25even a lot of these bigger cities that are coming
- 21:27up. with comedy as a new thing seem to be more
- 21:32like the crowd is like, okay, impress me. It
- 21:36has to impress me. So they come in there with
- 21:39an expectation that's almost higher. Have you
- 21:42observed that as well? I have. Back when I was
- 21:46touring more with Moms Unhinged, I remember one
- 21:48time we did Kansas and we went to Topeka, which
- 21:53is a smaller town and the audience was amazing.
- 21:58Then the next night we went to Kansas City and
- 22:01it was it was that they're like, you know, it's
- 22:04comedy whatever right? Oh, you didn't really
- 22:07you didn't really make me laugh the way I wanted
- 22:10to right? You're not like Shane Gillis Yeah,
- 22:15yeah, you know this tickets were only ten bucks
- 22:17exactly. Yeah, but it's the truth though It is
- 22:19kind of like, you know, they just they are like
- 22:22that and I noticed it a lot in places that are
- 22:25growing You know, it's like cuz I think that
- 22:29they're sort of How do you say like Yeah, okay,
- 22:34you know how like you get into something new
- 22:35and you just obsess over it for a little while
- 22:38You know, I feel like a city will go through
- 22:41that when they grow in comedy Yeah, so now all
- 22:44these comedy clubs are open and then the people
- 22:46will go Yeah, and they'll just keep going and
- 22:48going and going and not realizing that they're
- 22:50like kind of yeah, you know They're turning into
- 22:53that. Yeah, and it makes it harder on you as
- 22:55a comedian because now you have to be really
- 22:57good Yes, you know you have to be like on yeah,
- 23:00you know well and the thing is is that What I've
- 23:03noticed too is you know, there there are some
- 23:06Some terrible comedians who will get up there
- 23:09and then I always worry that the audience thinks
- 23:12oh Is this what comedy is right? No. Oh, yeah
- 23:16Yeah, bring your a game if you are actually getting
- 23:19in front of real people Yeah, exactly. So they'll
- 23:22come back to another show in the future. Yeah.
- 23:25So being like kind of like, I guess, like an
- 23:28older and age comedian, you know, like, what's
- 23:31your perspective on this, you know, this younger
- 23:35kind of community? Yeah. Well, you know, I started
- 23:40comedy at 50. And I wish I would have started
- 23:45in my 20s. I had no idea you could do comedy
- 23:49back then. Um, but I feel because I'm older and
- 23:55I've, you know, I've been married and divorced
- 23:57and I've been a single mom and I've had a career
- 24:00and, you know, I've had parent deaths and, you
- 24:03know, you know, lots of shit happened in my life.
- 24:05I feel like my well of, um, comedy material is
- 24:10so much deeper than, um, you know, this guy who's
- 24:14talking about jacking off. Yeah. Yeah. The more
- 24:18life experience. Yeah. And there is something
- 24:22to that. Do you have any kind of, I think, serious
- 24:27drawbacks, I guess, to being that way? Yeah.
- 24:33I always feel really uncomfortable at the mics
- 24:41because everyone's just... young and cool, and
- 24:46I always feel like I'm standing in the corner
- 24:48of my purse with my polyester, you know, pantsuit,
- 24:52like, okay, you kids. Yeah, so do you think that
- 24:57you do that to yourself? I totally do. Yeah,
- 25:01I totally do. Yeah, it's just a mindset, I guess.
- 25:04Yeah, it's a mindset, but they're, like, you
- 25:08know, they've been pretty accepting of you. Yeah,
- 25:10yeah. When I, you know, and I'm, pretty introverted.
- 25:15I'm actually a pretty shy person. So, and I think
- 25:18most comedians are, I mean, we're all awkward.
- 25:22So, you know, going up and making small talk
- 25:24with someone, I, you know, and what do I make
- 25:28small talk, you know, to a 23 -year -old kid?
- 25:33I don't know. I guess, you know, I just. Yeah,
- 25:37I guess it's just kind of like, you know, putting
- 25:39yourself back in their shoes and just being like,
- 25:41where were you at back then? And I guess it's
- 25:45relating to them on that level, I suppose. Because
- 25:47I know what you mean, though. Because there's
- 25:49a lot of younger comedians who, I guess, they'll
- 25:53talk to me or they'll ask me a lot of questions.
- 25:58And I try to tell them, I'm like, I'm not a guru
- 26:00in this, man. I don't know. Some of them I've
- 26:04met have been in it a long time, but just because
- 26:06of my age, because I'm just that much older than
- 26:08they are, they tend to. Just assume that you're,
- 26:12yeah. Just assume. Do you experience anything
- 26:14like that? A little, but not really. I'm a woman,
- 26:18so I don't think I get it as much. That's been
- 26:21said on here quite a bit. Women in comedy, they
- 26:26have a much different perspective than the male
- 26:30community and everything. For example, nobody
- 26:32would ever call me whatever the male equivalent
- 26:34of a cougar is. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Nobody
- 26:38ever say that about me. And I made the mistake
- 26:42of my last Kill Tony appearance. I made the mistake
- 26:45of screen recording the chat that happens as
- 26:50the episode drops when I got up there. And that's
- 26:53where all the meanest things are said. And as
- 26:57soon as I appeared on the stage, it was... Gremlin
- 27:02gargoyle look at her arms, you know, she really
- 27:06yeah just like tearing my physical appearance
- 27:09apart and They wouldn't do that to a man. So
- 27:14unless he really looked weird. I mean, I don't
- 27:16maybe I look weird but you know just Yeah, that's
- 27:22terrible. And it's also very not true, by the
- 27:24way, just letting you know. Not a gremlin or
- 27:26a gargoyle. No, yeah, I'd be like, it'd be kind
- 27:29of weird, but I'd be like, can I see your wings?
- 27:32I'm like, yeah, I just got off the tower, the
- 27:35bell tower there too, you know. No, it is kind
- 27:38of ridiculous, but it has its certain challenges.
- 27:41Like you have like a little bit more stacked
- 27:43against you. Yeah, yeah. I have to look fuckable,
- 27:47I guess. I don't know. I mean, but men don't
- 27:49have to, so. No, we all look the same. We got
- 27:53our shirts on and pants, and that's it. We go.
- 27:56But women, it's like it is a different thing.
- 27:59And the reason why I say that is because enough
- 28:02women have been on here and they all said the
- 28:04same thing. It seems like, you know, just it's
- 28:08a challenge. It's challenging, which is unfortunate.
- 28:10It shouldn't be, you know, because this is an
- 28:12art form. Right. But, you know, you have to have
- 28:15thick skin. You're going to do this. It's just
- 28:17part of it. Does those kind of challenges affect
- 28:20your goals in comedy? Not, not really. You know,
- 28:27I think the thing that you have to There are
- 28:31so many layers to becoming a good comedian. Of
- 28:34course, you have to know how joke structure works,
- 28:38and timing, and all of your stage presence. But
- 28:44then the next layer to that is you have to know
- 28:46what your persona is. I have this filter system
- 28:49where I start with a really crappy cheap spiral
- 28:52notebook, and that's where I start writing down
- 28:55all my ideas. transfer that to my next notebook,
- 29:01which is a little nicer. Um, and, you know, and
- 29:04I cut all the, all the garbage out. And then,
- 29:08and then I, you know, I have about five notebooks
- 29:11that I just keep transferring the same joke to
- 29:13until it's show worthy. It's in a little notebook
- 29:17that I can take with me. That way it's just,
- 29:20cause you know, with, with jokes, you need to
- 29:23cut out all the fat. So it's like, I just filter
- 29:26it down. Instead of and I started doing that
- 29:29because I didn't want to like write my my crappy
- 29:31ideas in my nice notebook So yeah, just kind
- 29:35of yeah, and I love that I love that like that
- 29:38process because I remember telling you that you
- 29:40know I've got a I got a bunch of notebooks lying
- 29:42around like all over the place and I always Rewrite
- 29:45my jokes in whatever notebook I happen to be
- 29:47working on that time. So I really love it. So
- 29:49do you have a Like a stage book that you just
- 29:52like are this is my notebook make it to the stage.
- 29:54Yes Yeah, and it's it's like this big. Yeah,
- 29:57and and I actually went on and Amazon and got
- 30:00a pack of like No books that big and you know,
- 30:04and they're all different colors and I you know
- 30:06at first when I got him I was like I'm gonna
- 30:08write the month on it, you know, so I know that
- 30:10was all organized but yeah, that's gone out the
- 30:13window, but at least I have like something small
- 30:15enough that I can just Yeah. Do you also buy
- 30:19pens, too? Because I buy like pens that I like
- 30:22to write. Yes. Yeah? Yeah, like this is one of
- 30:24them, you know? Yeah, nice one. Nice pen. Just
- 30:27basic black pen, but it's like, it's got like
- 30:29the, you know, it just writes really nice, you
- 30:31know? So do you do that, too, with your novels?
- 30:33I do. Well, I have pens from like certain comedy
- 30:37clubs that I write with, too. And that just makes
- 30:40me feel special. Like I have a couple pens from
- 30:43the Comedy Works in Denver. And I'm like, I'm
- 30:47writing comedy with my comedy pen. That is really
- 30:50cool. Yeah. That's like an immersive experience.
- 30:52Yeah, yeah. I'm going to be really sad when those
- 30:55dry out. You should be able to just get like
- 30:57a little... A cartridge for it, I guess, huh?
- 30:59Oh, I probably could. You think? Yeah. Yeah.
- 31:02I don't know. Yeah. We'll call Bic. Hey, Bic.
- 31:06Or Pilot. Yeah. Or I could go back to the Comedy
- 31:09Works in Denver and just steal more pins, I guess.
- 31:11Yeah. There you go. So what needs to happen for
- 31:17you to get your comedic gears going for it to
- 31:19make a notebook, period? You know, that's so
- 31:22funny because I... I try to force myself to sit
- 31:26down and write, and I have way too much ADHD
- 31:30to do that. But I've noticed, like, if I'm cooking
- 31:34or cleaning or, you know, doing anything else,
- 31:37if I'm also working a joke out, it just comes
- 31:41like that. It just, you know, and I'm like, oh,
- 31:44that's good. And I walk over to the counter and
- 31:46write down what I was just thinking. Yeah. Oh,
- 31:49this is making me remember what we were talking
- 31:51about before. So to the listeners, we had a little
- 31:54technical difficulty. So there's a clip. But
- 31:57anyway, we were talking about before, because
- 31:59you got into conversations. Oh, yeah. You were
- 32:01speaking about the natural state of conversations
- 32:04and everything. And then you said that you got
- 32:09it from work, right? Yeah. Well, you were saying
- 32:15that you'll work out a joke with a friend and
- 32:18like slip different jokes into the conversation.
- 32:23And I do that when I'm doing hair too. And the
- 32:27good thing about it is you get to hear what their
- 32:31response is. And that either gives you a good
- 32:35tagline if they're a funny person or it tells
- 32:38you like what the audience would probably be
- 32:40thinking. when you told that joke. Yeah. And
- 32:44it's kind of nice to know what they would be
- 32:47thinking, because then you can say the opposite
- 32:49and make it funny. Yeah. Surprise them. Oh, yeah.
- 32:53And that's the way I like to do it, because it's
- 32:55so engaging, you know? But you were speaking
- 32:57a second ago, like, about opening up just a book
- 33:00and sitting there and just trying to have a discipline
- 33:02of writing, and I can't do that either. Yeah.
- 33:04You know, I have such a hard time with doing
- 33:06that. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, writer's block. Yeah,
- 33:08immediately. Yeah. You know, I can't like, I
- 33:11can't pull from anywhere because of that. Yeah.
- 33:14You know, I almost don't even know like, I just,
- 33:16I just like, oh, what the fuck? What do I write
- 33:18about? I got this whole life ahead of you and
- 33:21you're like, what do I write about? You know,
- 33:22it's, it's like, uh, when you're in the shower,
- 33:25you, you know, the best ideas come or, you know,
- 33:27it's like your mind is not forcing itself. It's
- 33:31starting to cramp. Yeah. That's so funny. You
- 33:34mentioned the shower thing, cause I just learned
- 33:36like what shower thoughts were. Because for the
- 33:39longest time I was like, what the fuck's that?
- 33:41Like, I'd never heard that. But I guess it's
- 33:43like little epiphanies that will happen. Have
- 33:46you had like any cool shower thoughts lately?
- 33:49None come to mind. But yeah, I've heard it's
- 33:52because of the water. I mean, the white noise
- 33:55probably and you're distracted. But yeah, water
- 33:59has some sort of energetic thing to it. Oh, no
- 34:04way. I didn't know there was a thing. Are you
- 34:07like one of those like crystals people? I'm a
- 34:09little woo woo. I am. Little woo woo? Yeah. No,
- 34:11that's good though. That's good. So a buddy of
- 34:14mine like, because we just went on like this
- 34:16long hike and a buddy of mine was like, hey,
- 34:18just bring me back a rock, right? And then went
- 34:21and stayed in like this nice little like refuge
- 34:23place. We met this African guy and he had like
- 34:26these crazy rocks, and I'm not like a rock guy,
- 34:29but I was like, I gotta have those rocks. Do
- 34:32you feel like they have like healing powers and
- 34:34all that good stuff? You mean like crystals or?
- 34:37Yeah. I will use anything that I can. My algorithm
- 34:43on Instagram and TikTok is starting to get a
- 34:47little witchy. Okay, hell yeah. Anytime there's
- 34:51a woman on there talking about a spell for success
- 34:54or so. Yeah, I have little jars around my apartment
- 34:57that have like rice and salt and then a name
- 35:01inside of it and a little cinnamon on top of
- 35:04it. Oh, yeah. That's some voodoo right there.
- 35:07Yeah, a little voodoo. Is that voodoo that you
- 35:10do? Yeah. I grew up with that. My mom, when we
- 35:15got a fever, she used to put onions in our salads.
- 35:18Huh? Yeah, I was like... Did it work? No. You
- 35:25probably would have worked if you would have
- 35:26believed it worked. Maybe. I felt like she was
- 35:27just marinating us. She was just trying to get
- 35:30us good so she could throw us in the pot. You're
- 35:33like Bugs Bunny. Awesome, Papa. Exactly. We had
- 35:40weird things like that that we used to do and
- 35:43everything. I keep trying to pull stuff like
- 35:46that into my comedy, but I'm like, Really sometimes
- 35:51I just can't I just can't sit down and write
- 35:52it. I have to it has to come like a conversation
- 35:56Yeah, it does. It's yeah, it's funny because
- 35:58yeah, you can come up with a premise and it's
- 36:00like how do I get this into a joke? Yeah, can't
- 36:05force it. It's so hard to force it. Mm -hmm.
- 36:07Are there any jokes that work better for you
- 36:09than others? Um, you mean like Topics or sure.
- 36:14Yeah topics, you know it I feel like there's
- 36:17an evolution when you first start doing comedy,
- 36:21everybody starts off dirty. And the sex jokes
- 36:25are so easy to write. And, you know, most of
- 36:30my material for the past couple of years have
- 36:33been menopause and, you know, chasing young men
- 36:39and, you know, just crap like that. And it's
- 36:43like, I need to start elevating a little bit
- 36:46more. Yeah. To what? Actually, I have a lot of
- 36:53interesting things happening in my family right
- 36:55now. My dad is 86 and he had a kid when he was
- 37:0360. So I have a brother that's 30 years younger
- 37:06than me. No way. And my dad's wife was four years
- 37:10older than me and she just died. I've been going
- 37:16back to Iowa and you know helping them, you know
- 37:19cleaning their house and just You know being
- 37:23there for my dad, which I haven't we haven't
- 37:26had a great relationship for 26 years because
- 37:30he had another family and yeah So anyways, I've
- 37:34been wanting to like write material around that
- 37:36because I'm sure I'm not the only Person who's
- 37:42you know, I'm a woman in my 50s with daddy issues.
- 37:45There's got to be something funny there Oh, yeah,
- 37:48and you know and the whole you know being getting
- 37:50to the age where you're taking care of your parents
- 37:53and so I know there's stuff there to Write about.
- 37:58Oh, absolutely. Yeah, like, you know having daddy
- 38:00issues as a mommy Daddy issues, but it's like
- 38:06I feel like I'm healing my daddy issues finally,
- 38:09so Yeah. In sort of the same realm of family,
- 38:16I started writing about my mom because she had
- 38:18me at a young age. I almost went into a level
- 38:23of absurdity because I tried to go to the high
- 38:26school that she went to. What I wrote was I was
- 38:30like, oh yeah, my mom. had me at 17. She was
- 38:32real young. I actually tried to go to the same
- 38:34school, or actually went to the same school that
- 38:36she did. We were in the same grade. She cared
- 38:39a lot about my grades because she was cheating
- 38:41off my papers. Yeah, there's something there.
- 38:45There's a lot there, yeah. Yeah, you're just
- 38:47kind of like, you're just kind of just throwing
- 38:49ideas, just like, whatever, like, you know, just
- 38:52fly fishing. Yeah, and it's so interesting how
- 38:55jokes evolve over time. You know, I'll write
- 38:58a joke and It's usually after a show and I'm
- 39:02driving home, I think about how I could write
- 39:06that joke better. And then it just evolves. Yeah.
- 39:10It is the performance thing where you get up
- 39:12there and you think and like, you know, you just
- 39:15kind of like play it out. You just see the reaction
- 39:17and you're able to almost jot notes, like show
- 39:19notes. Yeah. You know, you ever do anything like
- 39:21that? Like you ever actually write it down? You
- 39:23know, I'm terrible. You know, everyone says you're
- 39:26supposed to record your sets and watch them back.
- 39:29I never do. But I do just think about them on
- 39:35the way home and then I get home and, you know,
- 39:37rewrite the joke or... Yeah. I have recorded
- 39:42mine, you know, to try to do the social media
- 39:45thing, but I feel like that's really just me
- 39:48recording mediocre stuff. It's not very funny.
- 39:52You're watching me work. on things, you know?
- 39:56And I'm like, you're not gonna get it. You're
- 39:58not gonna see, but what you are gonna see is
- 40:01like the grind, you know, of getting up there
- 40:05and working on a joke. I actually had a friend
- 40:07send me this reel once, and I wish I could remember
- 40:11who the comedian was, but he put together a compilation
- 40:15of the same joke being rewritten. from its origin
- 40:22all the way until it was perfect. And like every
- 40:26time he told it, you know, it was probably a
- 40:28three minute video. But it was just amazing to
- 40:31watch, like the same joke get better and better
- 40:34throughout time. That sounds like Mark Normand.
- 40:36Was it him? That sounds like, yeah, because I
- 40:39remember he did that. He put one out like that.
- 40:42Yeah, I think you're right. I think it was. And
- 40:44he's great. You know, he's great. He's just,
- 40:48he's from New Orleans too. That's where I'm from.
- 40:51And so he's from New Orleans too. And so it's
- 40:52kind of cool to see somebody from our neck of
- 40:55the woods out there doing his thing. But I also,
- 40:58I know that Jeff Foxworthy also did something
- 41:01similar to that too. He was like, yeah, I'm gonna
- 41:04put it out there. I'm gonna show everybody what
- 41:06it takes to just write down a joke from thought
- 41:09to stage. You know. That's a pretty good impression.
- 41:13Whatever happened to him? Is he around or? I
- 41:16think so. I think he's still doing things. Is
- 41:17he? You know, but I think it's just obviously
- 41:19like much smaller, you know, scale bit. Old.
- 41:22But yeah, he, I mean, it just, I mean, he's great.
- 41:26You know, what was it the, you know, so I know
- 41:29Billy, what was the, here's your sign, but Jeff
- 41:31Foxworthy was, he might be a redneck. Yes. Yeah.
- 41:34You know, and those jokes were so fun. They were.
- 41:36I mean, that was pretty brilliant for the time.
- 41:39Yeah, it really was. In the original, wait, it
- 41:42was like the kings of comedy, but they had the,
- 41:47what was it? You know, Ron White. Yes, I can't
- 41:50think of it either. I know. Larry the Cable Guy.
- 41:51Yeah. Yeah, I can't. Is it Blue Collar Comedy
- 41:54or something like that? I think that was literally
- 41:55it. I think it was Blue Collar Comedy Tour. I
- 41:57think that's what it was, but that was hilarious.
- 41:59Yeah, it was. Ron White had one of my favorite
- 42:01jokes when he was talking about he was riding
- 42:03in such a small plane he got passed up by a kite.
- 42:07I was like. Man, it's just the way that he said
- 42:10it, because if I say it, it's not going to be
- 42:12that funny. Yeah, it's all about timing and their
- 42:15cadence. So you get your jokes just from just
- 42:19normal conversation. Normal life. Yeah, I talk
- 42:23about myself all the time. I'm not an observational
- 42:27comedian. It's all about me the whole time, just
- 42:30self -deprecating. This is what it's like to
- 42:33be. in your 50s and a single mom and dealing
- 42:37with, you know, an aging body and, you know,
- 42:42so, yeah. But you're like, do you ever think
- 42:45that might be because you mentioned earlier that
- 42:48you're an introvert? Do you think that's the
- 42:49reason why you tend to focus inward so much?
- 42:53Maybe. I never thought about that, but maybe
- 42:55it is. Maybe I'm narcissistic. I don't know.
- 43:00Oh, no, I don't think you're narcissistic. Well,
- 43:02most narcissists would never call themselves
- 43:04a narcissist, so that proves I'm not a narcissist.
- 43:07Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Whoa, psychology.
- 43:13No, I think, you know, you seem to have... you
- 43:16know, at least a little empathy, you know? Yeah.
- 43:19Yeah, I cry if a kitten dies. You know, even
- 43:24if you didn't know about it, you know, you just
- 43:26shed a tear just in case. Yeah, yeah. I'm not
- 43:29a narcissist. Let me cry. Right, I'm just going
- 43:31to cry. You know, I read somewhere, too, that,
- 43:34like, people with ADHD tend to cry a lot, and
- 43:38it almost brought me to tears. That's pretty
- 43:41good. Yeah, always just like, so true. So true.
- 43:46I don't know why, but I like to cry. I do. It's
- 43:50just weird. You just drive home and all of a
- 43:52sudden it's like. I only do that if I'm listening
- 43:56to country music and driving home. Oh yeah. Is
- 43:58there a song that gets you? You're going to miss
- 44:02this. You're going to want this back. Who's that?
- 44:06I think it's Trace Adkins, I think. Trace Adkins,
- 44:09okay. I think. It's about. Raising your kids
- 44:13and you know, they're little and it's like, oh,
- 44:16you know, oh, yeah. Yeah, that'll get you Yeah,
- 44:19anything I'm gonna do with children. Yeah, these
- 44:21little bastards. I can't stand them. You're gonna
- 44:23miss this You're gonna want this back of the
- 44:27country songs that get me. I think it's um Zach
- 44:32Brown band the colder weather. Mm -hmm. God that
- 44:35song that's such an amazing song. Mm -hmm. I
- 44:39don't know what I'm like, how do you capture
- 44:41winter? like that in a song, you know? It's poetry.
- 44:45It is. It's poetry. It's it's it's insane. You
- 44:48know, as I actually I kind of think of and I
- 44:51think that we spoke about this actually the last
- 44:53episode was I was kind of maybe mentioning to
- 44:56you. I hope that was you. But yeah, I was mentioning
- 44:58on how like I write jokes like I write songs.
- 45:01Oh, yeah. I put the rhythm to the cadence. Yeah.
- 45:04There's a cadence to it that I try to have. Yeah.
- 45:06You know, do you have any kind of like tips or
- 45:08tricks like that that you? incorporate? You know,
- 45:11I've heard that before. I've had other comedians
- 45:13tell me that. And I don't, really. But I always
- 45:19think about memorizing jokes. It's a lot like
- 45:22memorizing a song. Because I love to sing. And
- 45:27it's like, if I can remember a three and a half
- 45:29minute song, I can remember a three and a half
- 45:31minute joke. Yeah. So, you know, and I guess
- 45:34it would be kind of in a cadence, just like a
- 45:36song. Yeah. Yeah. Do you put like little reminders
- 45:39for yourself in your joke note, your joke notebook?
- 45:43Um, I will. Yeah. I'll have like a little list.
- 45:46Yeah. Yeah. It's like, okay, first I'm going
- 45:49to talk about fucking a baby. Then I'm going
- 45:53to talk about my front butt. And then, yeah.
- 45:56Your front butt? Yeah. I never heard that before.
- 46:00Your front butt. Man, I was like, is that what
- 46:01that is? Oh my gosh. Have you ever felt... like
- 46:05comedians were given opportunities that maybe
- 46:09you should have had. Is that bad again? Well,
- 46:12no, I'm trying to figure out how to word this
- 46:15so I don't sound like an asshole. Just be yourself.
- 46:19Yeah. Just let it out. An asshole. Okay. Well,
- 46:25here, I'll go into divulging some personal information.
- 46:34have a roommate and it's she's a trans Blackhawk
- 46:39pilot and I love her she's amazing and But it's
- 46:46hard to live with someone who Shares such amazing
- 46:51news every single day like she you know, we're
- 46:54standing in the kitchen. She's like, oh my god
- 46:56I just got offered a 45 minute set in Houston.
- 47:00Oh my God, Joe Rogan knows my name. I'm having
- 47:03a, I'm doing a podcast with David Lucas and we're
- 47:06fishing. And it's like, you know, I'm like, that's
- 47:11great. Congratulations. That roommate of yours
- 47:17is very like. She is a go -getter. She's killing
- 47:23it. Yeah, it's crazy. So I get where you're coming
- 47:30from. Yeah, it's really cool to see it sitting
- 47:35on the front row. Yeah. But it's also like, I
- 47:41don't have any, you know, like Jim Morgan doesn't
- 47:44know my name. Right, yeah. I feel that, I feel
- 47:48that. You know, it's like, it's kind of like,
- 47:51you actually said it before, like you mentioned
- 47:53about like how it's like on one hand you have,
- 47:55you know, you want to support your friends, you
- 47:57know, but on the other hand, you're kind of like,
- 48:00you know, damn. Yeah, it's hard not to feel a
- 48:05reflection, like, you know, what am I doing?
- 48:08Yeah. You know, but, you know, and she, and we've
- 48:12had conversations about this, you know, and she's
- 48:14like, I'm sorry, I don't mean to like, you know,
- 48:18make you feel bad. And I'm like, I don't want
- 48:21you to dim your light to make me feel comfortable.
- 48:24That's very nice of you. See, that's what I'm
- 48:26talking about. You're not a narcissist. Imagine
- 48:29if you were like, yeah, bitch. Let's fight. Could
- 48:32you imagine if I got in a fight with her? Oh,
- 48:34I would be pummeled. She's... Me too. She's got
- 48:37some guns, man. Yeah. Like, and not just on a
- 48:41helicopter. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, it's insane.
- 48:45I have to remind myself that we're in two different
- 48:47lanes. We're in two different lanes, yes. Yeah.
- 48:50And her audience is definitely not my audience.
- 48:53It's true. definitely not her audience. Yeah.
- 48:57So I, you know, and I have to, I have to remind
- 49:00myself that we are building two separate comedy
- 49:04careers. Um, and, and, you know, my, and her
- 49:08focus is really to, um, get to know famous people.
- 49:13And she's doing amazing at doing that. I mean,
- 49:15she's on, you know, she's got direct cell phone
- 49:20numbers and texting with some big people, you
- 49:25know, and scheduling coffee dates with some big
- 49:28comedians. And, you know, I get excited if I
- 49:35get to go to Poke the Bear, which is still good.
- 49:40You know, and she'll try to make me feel better.
- 49:42And she's like, but someone recognized you at
- 49:44Walmart. I'm like, yeah, they sure did. It's
- 49:48the same. It's the same. You know, someone recognizing
- 49:51me at Walmart and you, having coffee with, you
- 49:55know, a headliner at the mothership. They're
- 49:58the same. Yeah, that's exactly the same. Which
- 50:02is kind of funny because it's sort of like, you
- 50:04know, it's the, you know, you understand that
- 50:07they're being nice. You understand that, you
- 50:09know, but they're also mentioning things that
- 50:12are very important to them. Yeah. And they're
- 50:14sharing it because it's important to them. They
- 50:16want to share with you. They want, you know,
- 50:17that to be important to you. So I guess like.
- 50:20Yeah. And I want to be her cheerleader. Yeah,
- 50:23you know, but uh, but what you mentioned earlier
- 50:25or just a second ago about how um, you know Like
- 50:31basically like it's it's like finding what's
- 50:33important to you You know and and how you said
- 50:35that your audiences differ and everything and
- 50:38it's like Do you want to be a talk show host?
- 50:41I do not you know, it's like my goals are to
- 50:46build a you know a following and and I know Who
- 50:52my following is it's it's it's the Midwest people.
- 50:55Yeah, you know and and when I look at my algorithm
- 50:58and I look at like who my my followers are they're
- 51:04Middle -aged men from the Midwest. That's who
- 51:08most of my followers followers are You know,
- 51:12we're in two different lanes. It's like, you
- 51:15know, she's she's meeting famous people Um, and
- 51:19I'm trying to build a fan base. Um, I'm focusing
- 51:23more on the people who follow me. Um, and, and
- 51:28I, when I look on my, um, social medias, I see
- 51:33that they're mostly people from the Midwest.
- 51:36And I'm, you know, I'm just trying to focus on
- 51:42getting them, doing comedy for them. Yeah. So
- 51:48if along the way, you know, I become friends
- 51:51with someone famous, it probably will be Joe,
- 51:54who's someone famous that I'm friends with. But,
- 51:57you know, that's great. But it's more about,
- 52:01you know, having a following and doing comedy
- 52:05for the people who want to come pay tickets,
- 52:09buy tickets to see me. Yeah. So that's what I'm
- 52:12focusing on. That's a good focus to have, especially
- 52:16when you learn who exactly you're performing
- 52:19for. It makes your comedic performances much
- 52:23better because you know who you're talking to.
- 52:27The beauty of watching your friends and being
- 52:29supportive of your friends, there is a part of
- 52:33you that goes like, damn, I wish I were there.
- 52:36But then there's a part of you that's like. But
- 52:38that's not the direction that I'm going in. And
- 52:41that's okay. And in being okay with that and
- 52:44in making you yourself, it's like that's when
- 52:47you really boil it all down, that's exactly what
- 52:49standup is. And that's your perspective and you
- 52:54gain people from how they share your perspective.
- 52:58Yeah. It's an interesting journey. And two years
- 53:02ago, if you would have... Told me that I would
- 53:06be living in Austin with a trans comedian who
- 53:10flew Blackhawk helicopters yeah, I would have
- 53:14said what type of crack are you smoking because
- 53:18Doesn't seem right but yeah, you know, it's it's
- 53:21fun. It's you know, yeah, it's it is a journey
- 53:25Yeah, you know and that's like, you know, that's
- 53:28something that and I didn't think of really until
- 53:32Until I really got into it, that's when I really
- 53:35saw what stand -up was. When I used to watch
- 53:39Comedy Central and things like that, I would
- 53:41just be like, man, there's these cool people
- 53:43saying cool shit and that's it. But now I'm like,
- 53:47there's so much work and there's so many elements.
- 53:52It's not just about going up on stage and just
- 53:56saying whatever. There's a lot behind it. There
- 54:01really is and there's so many nuances to it.
- 54:05It's a crazy little industry. It is. It is and
- 54:10it's always moving and always shifting and you're
- 54:13learning and going with it too. When I see your
- 54:21beloved Blackhawk helicopter roommate whom I've
- 54:24had on this episode or had on the show myself
- 54:26because of you actually. It's like when I see
- 54:30that and I see the people who are being tenacious
- 54:32out there and chasing the dream and everything,
- 54:34it makes me proud to be a part of the same realm,
- 54:39a part of the same thing. Case in point, I met
- 54:45a couple years ago at Creek, I think, for the
- 54:49first time I met Cam Patterson. I was there,
- 54:54he did a set and then got to hang with him a
- 54:57few times. Not enough to say he's a friend or
- 55:00nothing like that, but just a few times, which
- 55:02is kind of crazy. He goes to SNL. That's the
- 55:05cool thing about being in Austin, isn't it? Yeah,
- 55:07it is. You just never know who you're at a club
- 55:12with is going to pop off. Yeah. It's like, do
- 55:17you want to be the guy who's going to make it,
- 55:19or do you want to be the person to do it? Yeah.
- 55:21But all that does is just inspire you to next
- 55:25time you get on stage is do better. Yeah. I'm
- 55:28in my mid -50s, so I mean, I could be doing this
- 55:33for a while, I'm not sure. But someday, my grandkids
- 55:38are going to be like. My grandma knew so -and
- 55:43-so and you know, yeah Yeah, and the other thing
- 55:46is that footage, you know, just watching you
- 55:49on stage and everything. God, that's gonna be
- 55:51badass I know that'll be weird won't it? Yeah,
- 55:54cuz I think about like, you know if I were like
- 55:55to my grandma and she used to do like shows too,
- 55:59but like it was different like she kind of I
- 56:02can't describe him, but it was like Like she
- 56:05was like in this club or something with a bunch
- 56:07of these like, you know older ladies Yeah. And
- 56:11they did plays every year. So every year, all
- 56:15the grandkids, everybody would get together and
- 56:18we would go and just be a part of like this party
- 56:20where they would just do these plays. And I still
- 56:23don't understand it. But I remember now I look
- 56:27back at it and I'm like, okay, that was kind
- 56:28of badass. Yeah. How cool that you got to see
- 56:30your grandma do that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have
- 56:33grandkids, by the way, but my future grandkids.
- 56:37But they're going to be you know, telling their
- 56:40friends about their grandma's dry vagina. It's
- 56:44gonna be amazing. Yeah, they're gonna be like,
- 56:49huh, I wonder if she ever fixed that. That's
- 56:52not how that works. Man, well, is there anything
- 56:57that you would like to put out? We're pretty
- 56:59much wrapping it up now. Yeah. Let's see. I did
- 57:05secure a venue in South Austin to start producing
- 57:10shows. Really? Where? Where's this venue? It's
- 57:14called the Regal Room. Regal Room? Yeah. It's
- 57:17a black box, like 160 to 200 seat venue that
- 57:24usually does live music, but they're excited
- 57:26about doing comedy. That's awesome. Yeah. I haven't
- 57:29gotten a date yet. because I need to find a good
- 57:33headliner. We're going to have to stay tuned
- 57:36for that. Yeah, for September, but October 4th,
- 57:39I'm doing a show with Donna Lee and another female
- 57:45comedian from Michigan named Robin Gillerman.
- 57:49Okay. I'm trying to figure out a theme for that
- 57:53show because Donna Lee and I look so much alike
- 57:58and then, Robin Dillerman looks like us as well.
- 58:02Oh, trying to figure out a way to like for three.
- 58:05It's an October. October. October 4th. Yeah.
- 58:08Hocus pocus. Oh, yeah. The three like the three
- 58:11witches. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. I know
- 58:13they don't look alike, but there's maybe something
- 58:15in that room there. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know.
- 58:17That's a good idea. I never thought about doing
- 58:19like Halloween themed. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Witchy.
- 58:22Witchy. Maybe. Yeah. Like, you know, I don't
- 58:25know. There's probably some in there. I don't
- 58:26know. I don't know. It's like, we'll have to
- 58:28see. I thought about naming it. If I did it,
- 58:32it was Donna. Oh, Donna. Donna Lee, man. She's
- 58:39so funny. She is, yeah. And it's funny because
- 58:42everyone would come up to me and... Say they,
- 58:46you know, met me at another show, and I'm like,
- 58:48you're talking about Donnelly. You didn't meet
- 58:50me. Oh, you can see that. Yeah. And recently,
- 58:54she went and signed up for Kill Tony, and I wasn't
- 58:56there, and everyone came up to her, and they
- 58:58were like, great episode! I was like, no, that
- 59:01was Kimberly. And I'm like, yes, I'm so glad
- 59:03it happens to you too, not just me. Oh, that's
- 59:05great. Yeah. That's awesome. Man, well, Kimberly,
- 59:09thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. I
- 59:11love having you on. And I love that this is like
- 59:13part two for you. Yeah. This is great. Yeah.
- 59:16And thank you so much for your patience dealing
- 59:18with that technical difficulty. Yeah, you gave
- 59:20me free coffee. So I'll do a lot for free coffee.
- 59:24Hell yeah. Well, thank you so much. I really
- 59:27appreciate it so much. And I can't wait to have
- 59:29you back on again. Cool. Yeah. Cool. And that
- 59:32is it. That is a wrap. Adios. Hehehehehe!