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#685 - Eric Bellinger Talks Touring with Usher & Chris Brown, New Deal, Ownership, AI in Music & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Brulet Cap Podcast, brulet Cap Show special guest.
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  Speaker 2: In here superstar Eric Bellinger in the building.
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  Speaker 3: What's that? What's up?
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  Speaker 2: How you doing you too?
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  Speaker 3: It's been a minute, Yes, sir, happy to be back outside.
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  Speaker 2: He is returned.
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  Speaker 1: You know, It's funny because I feel like every time
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  Speaker 1: I see you, you got some new shit going on,
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  Speaker 1: new situations going on.
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  Speaker 2: It's her What is the latest with eb Man? Yes?
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  Speaker 3: So now I'm on tour, back on tour again.
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  Speaker 4: This time it's the R and B Tour Chris Brown
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  Speaker 4: and Usher and I'm outside with my brothers, Mario and
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  Speaker 4: Tank and we are giving the people the craziest show
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  Speaker 4: I've ever seen, and I'm just happy to be a
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  Speaker 4: part of that.
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  Speaker 3: While also promoted my new album, So album.
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  Speaker 4: Drops in less than three weeks August twenty first self
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  Speaker 4: titled album, so all the things, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like self titled albums in R and B
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  Speaker 1: are important. You're usually always pretty damn good. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the one where his first debut Zach Kelly album.
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  Speaker 3: Ye Kin just did hers. It's important, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 4: You're letting the people know, like, Yo, this is me,
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  Speaker 4: this is out of every other album, this is only
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  Speaker 4: one that's going to actually bear your name. So I
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  Speaker 4: took it with that type of severity as well.
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  Speaker 1: I think when we look back at this current tour,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be one of the greatest R and
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  Speaker 1: B tours of all time, if not the greatest. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what is the atmosphere been like in these arenas?
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  Speaker 2: I should say, these stadiums.
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  Speaker 4: These stadiums, Yes, sir, yes, sir. So it's the same,
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  Speaker 4: you know for me, I love you got all the
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  Speaker 4: sports stuff and all. When you go to that NBA
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  Speaker 4: game or the NFL game, you know, you just get
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  Speaker 4: to feel the gigantic you know, just the energy of everything.
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  Speaker 3: It's just so big.
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  Speaker 4: So now it's all in the name of R and B.
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  Speaker 4: We all just singing songs. You know, we love you know,
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  Speaker 4: the clubs. But when it's Wednesday night R and B
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  Speaker 4: Night or Friday night R and B Night, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Just a little sexy, a little special. So it's that it's.
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  Speaker 4: Kumbaya, we coming together, we singing along and bro, I'm
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  Speaker 4: telling you, it's every night. I'm just like, Wow, I
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  Speaker 4: go out and watch the show. After I finished performing,
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  Speaker 4: So I.
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  Speaker 1: Went to the Breezy Bowl like a year or year
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  Speaker 1: and a half ago, whenever that was. And after the show,
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  Speaker 1: we're hanging out and like Chris Brown like constructs these
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  Speaker 1: like after party venues inside of the football stadiums? Are
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  Speaker 1: there similar vibes on this tour every night every night?
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  Speaker 1: But it's like Chris and us, you're hanging like what
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  Speaker 1: is this guy?
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  Speaker 3: You just never know? Sometimes pop and pop out?
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  Speaker 4: Pop in, pop out, but it's intentional, you know, every
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  Speaker 4: night like the wind down, cool down? Why not listen
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  Speaker 4: to some music? Why not have people vibing? So it
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  Speaker 4: just turns into the extra ultra vip you know.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously you are a married man, But I am
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  Speaker 1: curious because it feels I want to know if you
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  Speaker 1: feel the same way I feel like I tend to
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  Speaker 1: see the same twenty women pop up all over the
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  Speaker 1: West Coast. And maybe this is just me speaking from
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  Speaker 1: like an Arizona perspective.
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  Speaker 3: Asy is the same, but.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be like the same, like do you ever just
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  Speaker 1: be like, yo, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Are you on tour with us? Like why are you
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  Speaker 2: always back here?
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  Speaker 3: It's not I seen you before a vibe?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I seen you.
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  Speaker 4: Before that I've seen you before a vibe and just
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  Speaker 4: be like, hey, they getting in how they live. I
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  Speaker 4: just let people vibe and I stand like, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean jurisdiction and yeah, but I think now
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  Speaker 4: more than it ever is when you are here, when
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  Speaker 4: you present, when you're outside, that equals relevance to most people.
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  Speaker 2: On Instagram one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Man, you just dropped some crazy merch to the merch.
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  Speaker 1: The merch line is lit, Let's go. Is that gonna
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  Speaker 1: be on your tour? People can get it on the
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  Speaker 1: R and B tour two.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So right now I got it available and it's
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  Speaker 4: on my website too, so people could just go online
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  Speaker 4: and order it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna just keep it there.
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  Speaker 2: Full clothing line you drop.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always wanted to do the fashion and and
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  Speaker 4: with this, it was the perfect time to announce it,
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  Speaker 4: to launch it and keep it going.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you have kind of always been known to
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  Speaker 1: be like an independent juggernaut. You've had plenty of opportunities
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  Speaker 1: to do the major label thing. Obviously, you had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of great years with Empire. Have one of the
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  Speaker 1: more impressive catalogs that I've ever seen in music, let
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  Speaker 1: alone over there, I know you dropped another album like
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  Speaker 1: a one off, went back to Empire, but now you're
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  Speaker 1: with Motown to explain the partnership and why it was
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  Speaker 1: time for you to kind of like, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: put the machine behind what you got going on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I had a goal to really just exhaust my
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  Speaker 4: resources and energy. Yeah, and before doing anything like and
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  Speaker 4: signing it over, because it's like.
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  Speaker 3: Yo, I still wait, let me call this person, let
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  Speaker 3: me call this person.
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  Speaker 4: But at this point in my career, it was just like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, you know what I mean, I've done my
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  Speaker 4: due diligence and now it's time to hand it over
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  Speaker 4: and get some help, you know. And with this new
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  Speaker 4: really fe because I'm signed to Rodney Jerkins first, who
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  Speaker 4: is Legend man, exactly Legend And Rodney is now helping
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  Speaker 4: out with the Tamila label, who is you know, Barry
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  Speaker 4: Gordy's other label that he had an addition to Motown
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  Speaker 4: and now it's revamping and now it's under Motown powered
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  Speaker 4: by Capitol. So I just have so many incredible people
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  Speaker 4: all coming together for one cause.
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  Speaker 3: And I've never experienced just this support.
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  Speaker 4: This love, and this I don't know, this energy behind
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  Speaker 4: the album, this anticipation, you know, because I've always been
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  Speaker 4: able to handle my music.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you also handle a lot on your own.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but now it's like,
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  Speaker 3: oh man, all cylinders is just you feel the difference?
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  Speaker 3: Go yeah, I feel the difference for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I see the climb and the music and it couldn't
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  Speaker 4: have been at a better time, you know, with me
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  Speaker 4: being on this tour to be able to spread the word,
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  Speaker 4: get that QR code up there every night in front
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  Speaker 4: of seventy five thousand.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: A thousand peoples in pretty wild, that's a wild number.
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  Speaker 1: Are you guys able to like create backstage?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure we do. I do.
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  Speaker 2: Is their bust dressing room sessions, studio we have?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we have like you know, the laptop setups
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  Speaker 4: that we'd be having, like yo, I just did this last.
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  Speaker 3: Night in the hotel room. Ya.
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  Speaker 4: I just you know, everybody's everybody's still being creative.
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  Speaker 3: So I think by the end.
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  Speaker 4: Of this tour, I'm sure that people are gonna hear
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  Speaker 4: some new music from everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Are you like trying to get everybody on your ship
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  Speaker 1: or you like yosh I wrote this.
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  Speaker 4: Lest so you know the guys is putting the projects together,
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  Speaker 4: Chris Brown and Usher, So.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know they had a joint out. They're working
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  Speaker 2: on a joint album.
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  Speaker 3: They're working on a joint album. So I'm just like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll have a few on there. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to make sure I'm ready and you know,
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  Speaker 4: in the cut, because I always.
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  Speaker 3: Am gonna try to sharpen that pen the same way
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  Speaker 3: I try to you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, progress, That's my artistry. I gotta continue to do
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  Speaker 4: both always.
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  Speaker 1: Is Chris Is it safe to say Chris is your
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  Speaker 1: number one collaborator as a writer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had more than twenty songs on him.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything like I feel like with Chris Man,
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  Speaker 1: Like he's kind of like our MJ. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I do think that I think man,
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  Speaker 1: and I just don't think like he will get for
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  Speaker 1: some reason, still don't get Like when he did Breeze
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  Speaker 1: Ball last year, I'm like, y'all, I gotta get this
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  Speaker 1: man his.
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  Speaker 3: Flat like no one is doing this, yeah I know.
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  Speaker 2: And then and then to follow it up with another stadium.
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  Speaker 4: Tour, another stadium tour, bro I think, well, I hope
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  Speaker 4: people do just give it to him because the people
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  Speaker 4: that know it's like if you know, you know, But
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  Speaker 4: there's just some.
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  Speaker 3: People that are just just haters, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I think we'll always have that, and that's like the
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  Speaker 4: cycle and circle of life, Like you can't have one
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  Speaker 4: without the other.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm just like, man, they crustified Jesus. They know.
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  Speaker 1: Also just like one of the more just raw talented people.
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  Speaker 2: He can paint, paint, play.
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  Speaker 1: Basketball, bro good motherfucker can whop, he could spin it,
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  Speaker 1: he can wrap his ass.
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  Speaker 3: On sing dance.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Do you get inspired like watching those two guys go
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  Speaker 1: back and forth? It has to be like it has
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  Speaker 1: to kind of put a battery in your back.
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  Speaker 3: No, it does every single night. Man, I'm able to
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  Speaker 3: pick something up.
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  Speaker 2: But you ain't the dancing type of off.
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  Speaker 4: Fine, I don't really like one of the dance like
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  Speaker 4: when I dance now because I'm a part of his
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  Speaker 4: set too, so I come out and when we're doing
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  Speaker 4: a choreography it low key now has shifted my whole
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  Speaker 4: idea of it because I looked at it from a
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  Speaker 4: perspective of like, ah.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta learn da da dad.
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  Speaker 4: But once you learn the steps and you just performing it,
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  Speaker 4: now it's fun, you know. But I feel like I
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  Speaker 4: never got that opportunity to really execute choreography. So now
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, now's the time, and I'm just loving it,
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  Speaker 4: like Okay, cool, my next tour, I want to make
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  Speaker 4: sure that I'm implementing that same vibe.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say this is your most vulnerable body of
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  Speaker 1: work so far?
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  Speaker 3: For sure? For sure?
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  Speaker 4: You know I'm using I got my start as like clubs,
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  Speaker 4: oh for sure, ballet, ballet focused on you. So I
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  Speaker 4: was always just trying to keep the people going or
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  Speaker 4: if it's not the club boom right after the club
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  Speaker 4: were going home, badroom music, that's Eric Bellinger. This album
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  Speaker 4: is more so like all right, but.
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  Speaker 2: Who are you right?
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  Speaker 3: What do you stand for? Do you have any morals
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  Speaker 3: that we can stand on? You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: So this was the album to talk about all of
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  Speaker 4: those things, from love to loss, to grief to struggles,
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  Speaker 4: Like earlier when I was saying like I need some help,
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  Speaker 4: talking about moving and transitioning from independency to having a
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  Speaker 4: major label.
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  Speaker 3: The first song on an album's called I Need help,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 4: So I wrote my Heart on my sleeve, and man,
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  Speaker 4: the response that I'm getting from.
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  Speaker 3: It is totally different.
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  Speaker 4: It used to just be like, man, that sounds dope.
• 9:57
  Speaker 4: I like the song, and people understand what I can
• 9:59
  Speaker 4: do rather than who I am.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, cry in front of you. Can
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: you kind of break down the theme of that song
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: and cod why you wrote it?
• 10:09
  Speaker 4: So crying from the U stems really from a place,
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: you know how they say, like, yo, man ain't supposed
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  Speaker 4: to cry and all that d D d D. But
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  Speaker 4: I found a woman that made me feel safe enough
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  Speaker 4: to just go on and let them out. I feel like,
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  Speaker 4: if you're not weaponized, if you're not judged, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Then it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know how it is. Man.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six, they always say you gotta be careful,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's your lady, because if you guys break
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  Speaker 1: up your ass out, like yo, you was crying like
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  Speaker 1: a bitch.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna happen like that shit say all the time.
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  Speaker 4: I got so now I've like mentioned that party too,
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  Speaker 4: like it gotta be somebody weaponized against you. Yeah, man, no,
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  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the interview.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it important for you to kind of like
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: show the like because you drop a record like Fatherhood,
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: Like like again, this is like when the EB album comes,
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: I know what we're gonna get this.
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  Speaker 4: This is different, This is different, this is this is
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: like live music. I've always wanted to do an album
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: like this, but I just felt it was premature, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: to where music was in general. But when I seen
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: the response that a lot of the R and B
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: has been getting nowadays.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: The good shit, like I think Kaylanni has Kaylannie Mariah
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: has shown like you could run radio yeah and just
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: do R and B R and B.
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  Speaker 4: So it made me feel comfortable, It made me feel safe,
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: and I just went relentlessly and unapologetically to that nostalgia
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: and and created every song from scratch with real musicians,
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: you know, no other songwriters in the rooms, just really
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: me trying to hone in on my deepest thoughts. Like
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: when I would just sit there, normally it's like, Yo,
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  Speaker 4: what you got? You got anything? Or Hey, what you're thinking?
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  Speaker 4: You want to do some melodies? Hey you want to
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  Speaker 4: do some melodies?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: I just had to write the words and the verse
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: right off the top. I wasn't going in the I
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  Speaker 4: usually maybe freestyle melodies, none of that.
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  Speaker 2: Now you was writing.
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  Speaker 4: I wrote the whole song in like on my notes,
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: so the producers making music, and then I'd be like,
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: all right, I got those song.
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  Speaker 1: How much do you attribute what Kaylani and Mariah have
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: been able to do at radio to kind of transforming
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: how we perceive R and B? Because I feel like,
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: you know, Tank would have a gripe three or four
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  Speaker 1: years ago, so he'd be like, Yo, I'm putting out
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  Speaker 1: this incredible R and B, but like.
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  Speaker 2: Radio don't want it.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but now it feels like we're in a space
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  Speaker 1: where like the good music is winning again.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that but that's that's why I'm telling you. I've
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: seen it. You know, because we.
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  Speaker 4: Had that that flashflow warning with money.
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  Speaker 1: Long or Hours and Hours Oh yeah yeah, money Long
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  Speaker 1: kind of kicked it off and then it was like
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  Speaker 1: it was like wait what but it was like a
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  Speaker 1: fly right.
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  Speaker 3: And then it was like okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then she had another one with like eighteen weeks,
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  Speaker 4: the joint she did with Jermaine Free and Brian Michael Cox.
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  Speaker 3: That one crazy dude, and it was like, oh, she
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: did it again.
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  Speaker 4: And the next thing, you know, Leon Thomas came with
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  Speaker 4: that crazy album.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta come with that year man.
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  Speaker 1: That album was razzy, instrumentation, songwriting, all of it.
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  Speaker 4: He represented for the Fellas when the Fellas didn't have
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: representation in a long time because the women been going crazy.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Like by the way, Chris has always been a staple too,
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: so we got to.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: See Chris Christ's staple. I'm just right now, you know.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: We just I'm talking about.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: This beat, this that live music, Like I think Chris
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: did it with Falling on his new single that he
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: got and it's just it gets a different response like
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: Silk Sonic when you hear Bruno Mars and Anderson Pack
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  Speaker 4: and the music that they was doing and Lucky Day
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: and Victoria money and it's like people appreciate it again.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, I love it this time.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: I just saw that te Pain had spoke about selling
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  Speaker 1: his catalog and.
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  Speaker 2: It was for a ridiculous amount of money because.
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  Speaker 4: He's to Pain, Yeah right, everybody can't go and say
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  Speaker 4: hey can.
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  Speaker 1: I Yeah, well, t Pay's like, look man, I'm like, yeah,
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: it's probably be a hard number to turn down. Have
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: you ever sold any of your catalog or would you?
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've been approached for sure.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: Back in the day, I did like a test trial
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: with like some of it, not my writing side, but
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: my artistry.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: I got forty five albums out, so I.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: Was like, let me, let me like take these and
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: because everybody's saying these numbers and it just don't sound real.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: This is early before it was a big thing.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: And then man was hit and I was like, oh
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: it did work. So I was like, all right, cool,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: maybe later try again, maybe not, But back in the
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: day it was like a vibe and I was able
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: to buy a house.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Would you ever do the writing side?
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe I just feel like I feel like even saying yeah,
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: it is tough because once you spend money is gone.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: I could spend money too good.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like the residuals too, like people don't like
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I just had this conversation with artists who's doing all
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: right on distro? Kid got It offered a big advance
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: on this catalog, and I'm like, hey man, that that
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: that money you're expecting every month, it ain't gonna come
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: in unless you put some more shit out, Like right.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: You don't fuck off that bad don't fuck off the bag.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the monthly royalty vibe, when you're not doing
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: nothing in your.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Bills is paid. That's kind of priceless.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: And then when you're gone, Like my grandpa was a
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: songwriter also an artist, and I get paid from the
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: music that he made when he was alive.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, you know, that's fire. And then you pass
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: that down to your family.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: That down to the family. So to have that that
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: and to experience that, I want my kids to experience
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: that too.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there's been this talk about artificial intelligence.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: A lot of people speculating our boy Phoenix Flex's song
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: is AI.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure he says it's.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Not we shall we shall trust him on face value,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: but I do feel like in studios these days, you'd
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: be hard pressed to not see like even an engineer,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: or like, is there a way to use artificial intelligence
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: in the recording process while keeping your artist credit?
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Plenty ways, there's more ways not, but there's plenty ways
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: to use.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: It as a tool. Like when people just input like
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: make me an R and B song. I'm not rolling, bro,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: But when it's.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Like, I made this beat in two thousand and nineteen,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: can you enhance it for something that sounds current today,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: something that feels trapped with some gospel or hip hop answer,
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: that whole beat is gonna come back crazy on some
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: whole other things. And it's like, now, okay, I'm inspired
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: to write another song and be creative.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: But that's just a way to me that is one
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: hundred percent.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're like, your your creation is the source of
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the of the whole thing. Yeah, even if you if
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you're a producer, like and you want to sample something
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: m H like, you might as well type what you
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: wanted to sound like and then you could chop the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: AI sample and not.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Have to worry about clearing it.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm not worry about giving all the money away soon.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: If you want to squire if you want to choire
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: like I need a dry choir saying some shit.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: You know I've done that too. See I'll be in
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: there experimenting.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Know that ship.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like if I was a beat maker, you
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: wanted to chop up some vocals, why would I chop
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: up some vocals?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I gotta pay motherfuckers.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: For thank you? All right? See, I think that's what
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: we got to start doing.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: And you know, instead of just saying it's AI bad
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: in general, because that's what most of the comments is
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: as opposed to you just you separated it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Or even if like you're a songwriter, you write a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: record and maybe you want to dump it in and say, hey,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: what would this sound like if it had a country
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: vibe to it?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Amazing?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: What you wrote the song?
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what I'm saying, cut it as R and B,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you know, right, but maybe you just want to hear it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I've done that even to male the female. But what
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: would feel percent female vocal? What would it sound like? Male? Vote?
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: So it's like these things is like who's being taken
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: away from as far as creativity because even still I'm
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: the one that prompted that. And if I didn't do
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: it, it never would have happened. And if you want to,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: you know, if it's so easy to just do it,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: because I think it's not even easy.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: So once people try it, it's like, oh, I don't
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: even know.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: How to do it right.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I learned the tools that taught me how to
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: do this.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Are you? So far?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: There hasn't been any features on any of these records.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: You've dropped any features on the.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Album No first time, no features, no features, It's just me.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I did. I think I did one album no features,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: but this one is no writers.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: The last one I had called eventually, that's when it
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: was just me, but a whole bunch of people worked
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: on that. This one is like the first time is
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: really my thoughts mixed with just some challenging and pushing
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: from my closest people around me, from my management to
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: the producers. Because the same way I would approach other
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: sessions with songwriters and get to know them and talk
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: to them and write them the hit of all hits,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: right now, producers are getting with me to produce the
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: hit of all hiss because they're able to see something
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• 22:21
  Speaker 1: on an era that you were very, very prevalent in
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and that's to me like the R and B slap
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: era of the West Coast.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And Adrian Marcel to it and ink and it was
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: like the young California.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Way about college, you know.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: That was that was love that put me on the mat.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, like that was your thing, Like, yeah,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: that was it, I'm telling you because especially being in
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: the club.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: But I was making like R and B songs for clubs, right,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: So now.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: It's like and I was at the clubs, you know
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like hanging like yo's up, man, can't
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: play my record. I really put that work in too,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: So now it was like I was like, damn, that's
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: kind of keeping me on the.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: West Coast for a while heavily.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: And then when I did my new Light album, I
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: made sure it was just R and B, no nineties
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: BPM joints. I had to intentionally stay away from it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: And my single was like what about what About Us,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: which is a slow song with Seventh Streeter, and we
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: just really made the slower songs cause it's like, at heart,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I'm an R and B singer. I want to sing
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: R and B music, but I got that big break
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: with the West Coast regional joints. So it just took
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: me some time, but slowly but surely, Like we put
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: enough R and B to balance put out enough R
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: and B to balance it out?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Would you and hit Maker ever do another one hundred hit?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Easy? We got it then got it in the can.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: We got line three ready and chilling, And right now
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: I'm just on my R and B swag. But I
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: think preserving the sound of it will keep it, It'll
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: keep it fresh anyway.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Like I just listened to it last week and I'm
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: just like, what does he do?
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like with hit Maker is like he
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: might not necessarily like I feel like his taste is
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: really important as much as like what he can do
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: or not do on actual like producing physically. But it's
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: like there is a talent to bringing people together, kind
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of knowing who to bringing the students, especially.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: In the day and age of like an r's not
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: doing the same thing that they used to do, you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: used to bring together the producer, the session, the song.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: The R useless these days, you know, I see what
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: my fucking eyes they bring in their little producer homies.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: They got no fuck these fucking major label A and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: RS for the most part, and especially the young brus
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that are just like, bro, you don't know anything about music, right,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Like you found this fun like it's it's crazy.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Right, No, but that's it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: A fucking twenty two year old fucking white kid A
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and R trying to A and R fucking rap session sessions.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: But essentially he's your an R too. They don't really
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: that like we ain't making up okay, but he gave
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: you the song.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Right, that's everything. He gave you the whole song.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: All you have to do is go in there and
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: recut line by line like that's everything.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about A and RN for some people?
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I have my label that I really am executing. Yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: over everybody. Stephen g we just dropped a new album Rang,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: so I'm so hands on, like with the artist. It's like, man,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: I think everything that I was doing with, you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: songwriting for other artists, I do the same thing, like
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: all right, cool, let's go let me let me see
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: what you got so far. Okay, cool, let's have a session.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Let's write this Like I'm co writing sometimes featuring, you know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: linking in with my graphic designers and.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Art is Mike Sean on your label Sean too Las
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Vegas Mike Sean. Yeah, I've known that dude since he
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: was a child. I used to do radio on Vegas
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: back in the day. My Sean was like the face
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of Las Vegas, like him and Dizzy right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know Dizzy and yeah, man, I just
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I just like paying it forward.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: It's like Yo, It's it's always like people that I
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: just think is fire. Like Yo, You're trying to drop
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: what's up? What you're doing? All right? Cool?
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: You know, anything I could do to help, and then
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: it just ends up more and more people have been coming,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: To work with all how many how many artists are
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: on All Wins.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I say, active like twelve to fifteen damn yeah, you
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: signing fools. Yeah, I'm just because my thing is it's
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: a distribution company, got it, rather than I'm doing it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: You know. It's like, Yo, you need.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: We're gonna give you a distro and you're gonna get
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: some direction and some some some of this off the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: elbow because there's a lot of distribution companies that get
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to a chunk of your music that did this isn't.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just turn it, you send it in
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: and they and they put it out.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna picture for you.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. None of that is promised. At least I'm
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: giving you. You're gonna have it hit, You're gonna have
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: that sprinkle, you donna have that sauce, you're gonna have
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: the you know, any experience that I have, I'm able
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: to talk to people and mentor so it's a lot
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: that comes with it, but it's something that I just
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: love to do, almost like I'm their nonprofit, you know
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, I just because people in the beginning,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: when you're in the beginning, them roat. He's like it
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: starts slow, it takes a long time to actually build up.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: So for me, it's like, yo, I'm really actually not
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: only helping, but I'm training them. And in a way
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: it's like damn, no one ever really even tows you
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: need to register on askav or B and my or
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: one or two and make sure you get producer agreement.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: So at least I'm like I'm helping them knowledgeable too.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like, as somebody who has such a
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: crazy catalog, when you drop new music, do you notice
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: everything else goes.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Up with it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: It does like if you just drop an album like
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: in December Boom three, four months later you can see
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: an increase in everything, and each one it may be,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: you know, in increments, but it's like it it reminds
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: people of your profile, your artist profile. And you know
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Instagram ain't enough or TikTok ain't enough.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: To me to translate everything to the DSPs.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: There it is and we'll listen. Eb.
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