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RODEO QUEEN GIRLFRIEND SAYS PATRICK FRAZEE BASHED FIANCE HEAD WITH BAT, NOW HE DEMANDS CONVICTION BE REVERSEDBE RE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Her body was never found.
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Speaker 1: Her little girl is being raised without her mother or
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Speaker 1: a father. Why because Kelsey Beareth was murdered, her body
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Speaker 1: burned by who, Patrick Phrasey with the help of his
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Speaker 1: then mistress, the rodeo queen. Literally in the Last Days
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Speaker 1: Phrasy back in court. Why won't he go away? I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us in the last Days. The
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Speaker 1: Colorado Supreme Court upholds the conviction of a Teller County
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Speaker 1: man guilty in murdering his fiance, the mother of his child.
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Speaker 1: His fiancee Celts. Beareth last seen at a Woodland Park
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Speaker 1: Safeway Thanksgiving Day. She was speaking to her mom on
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Speaker 1: the phone about recipes. Her phone then painted in Gooding, Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Days later, Now years later, her body still has not
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Speaker 1: been found. Why. I think because Patrick Frasey burned it.
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Speaker 1: And of course Frasey appeals his conviction. What do we
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Speaker 1: know about the facts and the evidence that landed him
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Speaker 1: behind bars.
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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving is the last known time Kelsey Bareth was seen
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Speaker 2: in public. It was at this Safeway store where she
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Speaker 2: was captured by the store's security cameras. Cheryl Barreth says
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Speaker 2: she spoke with Kelsey by phone that day twice. What
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Speaker 2: did you talk about that day?
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Speaker 3: It was just small things and initially she needed a recipe.
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Speaker 2: Based on that conversation. There was nothing to make you
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Speaker 2: believe there is anything wrong exactly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Her voice was fine, she was, Yeah, she was.
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Speaker 3: It was a normal day for her.
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Speaker 1: Where is a missing mom, Kelsey Beareth? The search intensifies
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Speaker 1: as the mystery deepens. Right now, T talk tick talk,
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Speaker 1: every hour counts. There is a chance she can still
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Speaker 1: be brought back alive. I mean, see, Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, joining me
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Speaker 1: as she Willcott judge lawyer. You can find her as
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Speaker 1: shewillcot dot com. Karen Smith, forensics expert, joining us out
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Speaker 1: of the Florida jurisdiction, forensics psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Bober and
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Speaker 1: joining me right now, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Ellen Kilaurin. Let's start at the beginning. What happened to Chelsea?
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Speaker 1: Tell me everything's give me the beginning of the crime line,
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Speaker 1: the timeline, Ellen, because that's what's so important.
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Speaker 4: Kelsey disappeared on November twenty second, which is Thanksgiving Day.
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Speaker 4: We know that on that day she went to a
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Speaker 4: Safeway supermarket near her home in Woodland Park, Colorado. She
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Speaker 4: had her one year old daughter with her. There After that,
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Speaker 4: she met with her fiance, Patrick Frazy, who she doesn't
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Speaker 4: live with, and handed off her daughter. She has not
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Speaker 4: been seen since the only time that she's been heard from.
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Speaker 4: Two messages were sent from her cell phone on Monday,
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Speaker 4: November twenty second, twenty fifth.
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Speaker 5: Excuse me.
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Speaker 4: One was to her fiance and we don't know what
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Speaker 4: that message said, and another was to her employer, dos Aviation,
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Speaker 4: where she worked.
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Speaker 1: At the Wha Wha wha wha whit whit whit alankilaurin
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Speaker 1: crime online dot com. Are you telling me she actually
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Speaker 1: spoke verbally to her employer or texted or email.
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Speaker 6: No, it was a text.
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Speaker 4: It was a text message sent from her phone.
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Speaker 1: Okay, then Waite, I thought you said the last person
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Speaker 1: she spoke to was the fiance and the employer.
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Speaker 6: They were both text messages.
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Speaker 1: So she start to nobody, then say that she spoke
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Speaker 1: to nobody other than her mother that previously.
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Speaker 4: The last voice conversation that her mother had with her
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Speaker 4: was on Thanksgiving Day and she saw her fiance in
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Speaker 4: person later that day, so.
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Speaker 1: The last person she actually spoke with was her mother
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Speaker 1: several days before she goes missing. Ellen Calauren, My dear,
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Speaker 1: sweet precious snowflake, Ellen, you know what? Let me Karen Smith?
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Speaker 1: Why do I always have to be the bad guy?
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Speaker 1: Can you explain to Ellen why every word counts? It's
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Speaker 1: very important? Did she speak to somebody the day she
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Speaker 1: goes missing? Or was it a text from her phone
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Speaker 1: which guess what, nobody can find Karen's school. My dear Ellenkilauren,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I need to, but I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 1: Or you may need to take her to the woodshed.
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Speaker 6: Having text messages rather than a vocal call. I mean,
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Speaker 6: come on, this is law. This is law enforcement and forensics.
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Speaker 6: One oh one. A text message can be sent by
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Speaker 6: anybody who has access to that phone, if it's not
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Speaker 6: past code and forced. Uh. If you have a thumb
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Speaker 6: print that actually you have access to because you put
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Speaker 6: your thumbprint on that phone when it was unlocked at
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Speaker 6: some point, it's not that difficult anymore. So if it's
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Speaker 6: only text messages, we don't know who sent them, they're
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Speaker 6: going to have to go into that phone. Once they
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Speaker 6: find it and figure out where those text messages were
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Speaker 6: actually sent from.
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Speaker 1: And that leads me to another forensic point. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: Ashley will Cad. I know you're chomping at the bit,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Biber, forensics psychiatrist. Let's go into the mind
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Speaker 1: of someone that would get rid of Chelsea, a mother
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Speaker 1: of a little baby girl. Okay, get rid of her,
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Speaker 1: and then this is my question, think to use her
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Speaker 1: phone to cover their tracks and text the boyfriend, the fiance,
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Speaker 1: text the employer and go, oh, I'm taking a week off.
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Speaker 1: That's a whole another animal from somebody flying off the
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Speaker 1: handle and getting mad at a bar and go, you
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Speaker 1: took my money. Bam, you're dead. Versus killing somebody, disposing
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Speaker 1: of the body and then making all these surreptitious texts
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Speaker 1: and you know, emails to cover your tracks. That's a
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Speaker 1: whole different way of thinking, doctor Bober.
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Speaker 7: I agree, Auntie, it's on a whole It's on a
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Speaker 7: whole different level. But like your previous guest said, those
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Speaker 7: text messages, you know, are going to be valuable because
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Speaker 7: with text messages, i'mlike with vocal communication, uh, you know,
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Speaker 7: there is going to be the amount of texting the
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Speaker 7: words that were actually used. And you know, people that
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Speaker 7: are familiar with her are going to know the way
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Speaker 7: that she communicates, and so there's I think a treasure
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Speaker 7: trom of information, uh potentially there in those text messages.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Ellen Calaurin are are are you embarrassed? Because I'm
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Speaker 1: embarrassed for you? I am? Okay, good? Now, howther you've
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Speaker 1: been totally publicly shamed? Now I need some facts from you.
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Speaker 1: It's really important, and I'm kidding around tiny bit, but
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Speaker 1: it really is crucial. It's crucial when you're trying to
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Speaker 1: establish a timeline, which is where everything starts. Every investigation
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Speaker 1: starts with the timeline and the forensics around that timeline.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about these. The last time she was
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Speaker 1: seen was how many days before she was reported missing?
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Speaker 6: Kenny's ten days?
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Speaker 1: Okay, just give me short brief answers. So we got
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Speaker 1: ten days, darn, it's a long time. Now into that
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Speaker 1: ten days, When did the text come in? Number one?
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Speaker 1: And were they pinged and if so, from where.
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Speaker 4: The text came in on November twenty fifth, which is
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Speaker 4: three days after she was last seen.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so hold on, Jackie's editing this. The text came
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Speaker 1: in three days after she went missing. Okay, got it.
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Speaker 1: Three days after she went missing, she texts fiance and employer.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Ellen? That's right? So both of them
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Speaker 1: were texted in one day.
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Speaker 6: That's great.
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Speaker 1: Interesting day.
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Speaker 4: Her phone was pinged in Idaho, about six hundred miles
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Speaker 4: away from where she lived, But authorities have said they.
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Speaker 1: Can't confirm that she was actually with her phone at
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Speaker 1: the time, but they can confirm that ping. We know
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Speaker 1: that the ping is correct. Yes, Okay, joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: Judge A lawyer Ashley Wilcott, Ashley, weigh in on what
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Speaker 1: we have ferreted out so far. Well, you know, I
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Speaker 1: do have a lot to say about this Nancy.
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Speaker 8: So here's the thing. We don't know what happened to her.
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Speaker 8: Best case, she decided to take off God willing, God hoping,
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Speaker 8: because that would.
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Speaker 1: Mean she's Ashley Ashley, Ashley, Ashley, you know how I
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Speaker 1: feel about you and your family and your great great
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Speaker 1: great great grandparents that came over on the Mayflower. But Ashley,
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Speaker 1: how can you even fix your mouth to say that
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Speaker 1: maybe she went away? This girl is no idiot. She's
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Speaker 1: a flight instructor. Isn't that right? Ellen, Calaurin. She's a
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Speaker 1: flying instructor.
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Speaker 6: That's great.
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Speaker 1: I mean this woman can get up in a plane
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Speaker 1: and fly around and teach other people. She's no idgit.
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Speaker 1: But she loses her phone.
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Speaker 8: Well maybe maybe she had some freak out of it.
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Speaker 8: I need to take a little break, that's my prayer.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so go back to the reality. Maybe way, why
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Speaker 1: why why why, Ashley, I'm back on you. I'm on
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Speaker 1: you like a cheap suit a girl that wants to break. Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is let's look at what we know, and I
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Speaker 1: may have to go back to the shrink on this one.
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Speaker 1: Ash will caught. A woman that's calling her mom for
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Speaker 1: a recipe is not a woman who's gonna leave her
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Speaker 1: mom hanging out in the wind, doesn't know where you are,
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Speaker 1: worried sick about you not not taking care of your baby.
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Speaker 9: Girl.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean you see the dichotomy. They're right. I
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Speaker 1: call my mother, I call Miss Talbert from my little
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Speaker 1: Methodist church in Macon, various people for recipes, Okay, because
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Speaker 1: I love them and their knowledge means something to me.
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Speaker 1: Those are the people you love that you call for recipes, Ashley.
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Speaker 8: Okay, So now Nancy's embarrassed me because you're right, I'm
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Speaker 8: so happy, I have how so much misery today?
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Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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Speaker 8: So here's the thing about the texts on the phone
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Speaker 8: and not knowing if the bones with her, we see
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Speaker 8: it all so regrettably, someone could easily think, Ooh, I'm
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Speaker 8: just gonna text this person and this person or text
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Speaker 8: the boyfriend so they think she's fine, and that gives
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Speaker 8: me more time with her because we don't know if
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Speaker 8: she's dead, if she's been abducted, and she's being held somewhere,
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Speaker 8: so it is not outside the realm of possibilities.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me give you all something to think about.
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Speaker 1: And Maul, why did the fiance put up a stink
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Speaker 1: about giving DNA.
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Speaker 2: Kelsey's fiance, Patrick Frasey, told police he last saw her
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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving afternoon, when he picked up their daughter. Kelsey was
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Speaker 2: not reported missing until ten days later by her mother.
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Speaker 2: Patrick has done everything that he has been asked for
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Speaker 2: by law enforcement. Jeremy Low, Patrick Frasey's attorney, says his
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Speaker 2: client has been interviewed by law enforcement, voluntarily released his
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Speaker 2: phone to be searched by investigators, and provided photographs along
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Speaker 2: with cheek swabs for DNA. Police have said Frasey is cooperating.
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Speaker 5: I have no reason to believe that he is a suspect,
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Speaker 5: and the police have not isolated him as a suspect
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Speaker 5: in this case.
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Speaker 2: Phrasey and Bareth do not live together, but Bareth's mother
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Speaker 2: says their bond is strong.
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Speaker 3: The relationship has been good, they're loving.
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Speaker 2: She remains hopeful her daughter will be found.
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Speaker 3: The speculation hasn't been helpful. Don't try to figure this out.
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Speaker 3: We've got people trying to do that.
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Speaker 10: Just share the photo.
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Speaker 3: There's more important things to be done.
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Speaker 2: At this point, police say the case remains a missing
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Speaker 2: person's investigation.
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Speaker 3: In the back of my mind, sure there's a possibility
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Speaker 3: something else could have happened, but it does mean no
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Speaker 3: good to go down that road, and I don't think
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Speaker 3: it does Kelsey any good either.
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Speaker 1: Twenty nine year old Kelsey Beareth has not been seen
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Speaker 1: since she was recorded on surveillance cameras in a grocery
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Speaker 1: store in Widland Park, Colorado, with her baby daughter. Her fiance,
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Speaker 1: Patrick Frazie, tells that she dropped the baby off after
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Speaker 1: that grocery store trip, and he has not seen or
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Speaker 1: heard from her since now. The two have never lived together,
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Speaker 1: despite being engaged in sharing a daughter interesting. The fiance
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Speaker 1: was not present at a press conference and has been
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Speaker 1: scrutinized on social media for refusing to speak openly about
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Speaker 1: missing Chelsea, But despite that scrutiny, her mother says they
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Speaker 1: had a very good relationship. Straight out to Ellen calaurin
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Speaker 1: timemonline dot com investigative reporter, Ellen, what do you tell
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Speaker 1: me about the fiance, because that is where every timeline starts.
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Speaker 1: The last time someone was saying or spoke spoken to verbally,
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Speaker 1: not by text or email. Tell me about the fiance.
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Speaker 6: That's right.
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Speaker 4: He was the last person to see her, and we
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Speaker 4: know that he was not the person who contacted police,
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Speaker 4: his lawyer said, and he's been with her daughter. His
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Speaker 4: lawyer has released his statement and says that he is
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Speaker 4: now cooperating with police. He did give a DNA slot
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Speaker 4: of his mouth, he did hand over his phone, but
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Speaker 4: he did not attend a press conference earlier this week
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Speaker 4: where her mother did attendance and spoke and begged for
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Speaker 4: her daughter's return. His lawyer claims that Patrick didn't know
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Speaker 4: about the press conference until an hour before it began,
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Speaker 4: otherwise he would have been there.
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Speaker 6: In the word to the media, that's what That's what
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Speaker 6: the lawyer said.
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Speaker 1: Kelsey Breath twenty nine has not been spot astasument. It's
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Speaker 1: grocery stopping with her baby, Woodland Park, Colorado. Fiance tails cops.
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Speaker 1: She dropped the baby off afterwards at his home. Has
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Speaker 1: not been seen since her phone pinged about seven hundred
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Speaker 1: miles away from where she was last seen three days later.
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Speaker 1: Now does that make sense to you, Kiaren Smith, forensics experts.
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Speaker 1: Seven hundred miles in three days? Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1: It can be done, well, sure it can.
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Speaker 6: Be done, but none of it makes sense to me.
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Speaker 6: Nancy who First of all, if my fiance had gone missing,
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Speaker 6: I would be freaking out after three hours. First of all,
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Speaker 6: ten days, ten days she was reported missing ten days
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Speaker 6: later and the cell phone things one hundred miles away?
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Speaker 6: Are you kidding me? I would be all over the press.
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Speaker 6: I would be in front of every camera that would
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Speaker 6: put my face on television. I would be talking to
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Speaker 6: everyone and anyone if I had nothing to do with this.
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Speaker 1: Ten days is a long time to pass. Ashley, Well, God,
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the video right now. She comes in
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Speaker 1: the front of the grow store. She's carrying the baby
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Speaker 1: in a car, seat. Oh, it looks just like the
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Speaker 1: ones I would carry the twins in double fisted. She
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Speaker 1: puts the car seat in the front of a cart
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Speaker 1: with the baby facing her, you know that top area,
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Speaker 1: and then she drives off. She's got on a coat,
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Speaker 1: her hair's back in a bun, and the baby's all
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Speaker 1: bundled up. All right, So what do we know about
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Speaker 1: him originally not giving DNA because at this juncture, Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: he has done interviews, he has released his phone to
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Speaker 1: be searched. She's given given a buckle swabs, which is,
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Speaker 1: you know, a mouth swab, and photographs. On the other hand, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: I guess his lawyer said, look, if you don't give
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Speaker 1: it to them willingly, they can get a warrant from
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Speaker 1: you and take it from you. Right, That's what the
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Speaker 1: lawyer's gonna advise it.
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Speaker 8: But let me ask you this, why get a lawyer
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Speaker 8: in the first place if you're not involved? And second,
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Speaker 8: ten days? I agree with their guests ten days. Who
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Speaker 8: waits ten days to figure out where somebody is, especially
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Speaker 8: mother of.
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Speaker 6: Your one year old? You know?
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Speaker 1: He also the lawyer says that what does this mean
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Speaker 1: to you? Doctor Daniel Bober you're the forensic psychiatrist. The
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Speaker 1: lawyer has added that the fiance for Zee will not
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Speaker 1: speak publicly because he does not want to quote impede
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Speaker 1: the police investigation.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, Nancy, a lot of this stuff is
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Speaker 7: not this positive, but it's certainly very suspicious. I mean,
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Speaker 7: he's sort of reluctantly cooperating and sort of has to
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Speaker 7: be dragged to do it. So that's definitely concerning and
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Speaker 7: it seems like he definitely has something to hide, although
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Speaker 7: again it's not this positive.
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Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you, because let me go to you,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott. When the chief of police are at Willland Park,
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Speaker 1: Chief Miles DeYoung was asked at the press conference about
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Speaker 1: the fiancee not being there, he simply said, you'd have
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Speaker 1: to ask him, okay to see. I can read a
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Speaker 1: lot into that response, Ashley.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, he's not cooperating, and it sounds like law enforcement's
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Speaker 8: frustrated because where most people who have a missing person
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Speaker 8: in their life do anything in everything they can and
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Speaker 8: give law enforcement every shred of everything they need, the
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Speaker 8: boyfriend is not doing that. The fiance is not cooperating,
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Speaker 8: so I think it does indicate something's.
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Speaker 1: Amiss now the brother Clinton Beareth said that he realized
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Speaker 1: she was missing and he goes to her home and
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Speaker 1: what the brother Clinton Beareth says is the only thing
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Speaker 1: missing from the home was her pocketbook, her luggage, her makeup,
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Speaker 1: all untouched in her two vehicles are still at the home.
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Speaker 1: Ellen Calaurin, you left that little detail out. Both her
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Speaker 1: cars are at the house, her luggage, her makeup, all that.
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Speaker 1: The only thing missing is her pocketbook, which I'd like
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Speaker 1: to point out she had with her when she was
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Speaker 1: at the grocery store.
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Speaker 4: That's great, and not only was all of that stuff
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Speaker 4: left behind, but there was also a subscinamon al that
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Speaker 4: she had clearly just baked that day that by the
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Speaker 4: time they got there they were cold, but she.
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Speaker 8: Was baking in her kitchen, and it looks like she.
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Speaker 4: Just pulled out the role of school and had every
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Speaker 4: intention of coming back. They are absolutely so kind in
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Speaker 4: the home that she was planning on going away for
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Speaker 4: any other time.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Kelsey Barris's body has never
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Speaker 1: been found. Her little girl now raised without a mother
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Speaker 1: or a father thanks to her mom's fiance, Patrick Frasy
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Speaker 1: and his mistress. Frasey appealed his conviction, and he targets
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Speaker 1: a meeting with the Teller County Department of Human Services
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Speaker 1: caseworker just days after his arrest. According to the Supreme
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Speaker 1: Court opinion, the caseworker met with Phrasey to discuss the
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Speaker 1: future his and Kelsey's baby. That caseworker then testified against Phrasey.
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Speaker 1: Frasey moved to suppress all those statements he made behind
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Speaker 1: bars during that meeting, arguing it was a custodial interrogation
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Speaker 1: and he was questioned by the caseworker without Miranda rights. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So the caseworker meets with Phrasey about his baby girl
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Speaker 1: that he orphaned, and now he's saying he should have
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Speaker 1: been mirandized before he spoke to the caseworker. Okay, that's unique.
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Speaker 1: How did the baby end up being an orphan? Phrasey?
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Speaker 1: Remember this?
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Speaker 11: Prasey's former girlfriend and Twin Falls woman, Crystal Kenny, made
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Speaker 11: a plea deal in exchange for the information outlined in
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Speaker 11: that report, and Atha David from the murder case of
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Speaker 11: Kelsey Bareth, revealing more graphic details about her death and
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Speaker 11: the months leading up to her leged murder. In court Tuesday,
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Speaker 11: prosecutors revealed Bareth's fiance Patrick Frazy blindfolded Bareth on Thanksgiving
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Speaker 11: Day before hitting and killing her with a baseball bat.
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Speaker 11: The information stemming from Frasey's former girlfriend and Idaho woman,
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Speaker 11: Crystal Lee Kenny. Kenny agreed to testify against Frasey as
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Speaker 11: part of a plea deal for tampering with evidence. On Wednesday,
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Speaker 11: The affidavit revealed Kenny told investigators that she traveled to
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Speaker 11: Colorado after Frasy said she needed to clean the murder
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Speaker 11: scene in Bareth's home, removing any traces of blood left
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Speaker 11: on the walls, couch, television, and even on the stuffed
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Speaker 11: animals belonging to the couple's one year old daughter. Kenny
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Speaker 11: also told investigators that Frasey was concerned that one of
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Speaker 11: Bareth's teeth were left behind. Kenny says she later found
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Speaker 11: it and got rid of it. The affidavit also shows
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Speaker 11: Frasey wanted Kenny to bring Bareth's body to Idaho, but
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Speaker 11: she says she refused, and instead Frasey burned the body.
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Speaker 1: Our friends at Denver seven reporting the very latest out
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Speaker 1: of a Colorado courtroom. Imancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. This is what we
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Speaker 1: are learning. We are learning that Patrick Frazy tricks his fiance,
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Speaker 1: the mother of his little girl Killy, into blindfolding her
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Speaker 1: and asking her to smell different scented candles, then rearing
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Speaker 1: back with a baseball bat is striking her in the
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Speaker 1: head and face. That he hits her so hard. His
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Speaker 1: big concern he didn't find all of her teeth that
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Speaker 1: he knocked out of her head. We go on in
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Speaker 1: this affidavit, if you comb over it very very carefully,
21:38
Speaker 1: we learn that his mistress, Rodeo Queen, finds the tooth
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Speaker 1: with the root still attached and disposes of it. She
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Speaker 1: is in the thick of this on her hands and knees,
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Speaker 1: after traveling thirteen hours overnight to come to Patrick Frasey
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Speaker 1: at his becking call. Nobody had a gun to her
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Speaker 1: head driving through the night, leaving her two daughters. She
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Speaker 1: claims to be so worried about so she can clean up.
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Speaker 1: Frasey calls her and says, girl, you got a mess
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Speaker 1: to clean up, and she comes running, complete with a hairnet,
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Speaker 1: a surgeon smock, surgeon booties worn in eers surgical gloves,
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Speaker 1: bleach wind x and she spends the next four to
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Speaker 1: six hours on her hands and knees scrubbing. You know what,
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Speaker 1: I'm not buying it with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, professor for ISICKS Jacksonville State University and author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, Wendy Patrick, renowned forensics psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Judge,
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Speaker 1: lawyer anchor Ashley Wilcott at Ashewillcott dot Com and Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Ellen Kilaurin First of you,
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Speaker 1: as she will Cott when she says she did all
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Speaker 1: of this, cleaned Kelsey Bearris condo scrubbing. There was blood
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Speaker 1: on the bath mat that had to be thrown away,
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Speaker 1: blood on the commode, blood on the ceiling, blood in
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Speaker 1: the kitchen, blood on the oven mints, blood on the
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Speaker 1: baby's toys, who ps was in the next room in
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Speaker 1: a playpen while Phrasey murdered Kelsey Bear at the baby's mother.
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Speaker 1: Blood on toys, blood on stuffed animals, blood on the sofa,
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Speaker 1: blood on pillows, blood on books, blood everywhere on the
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Speaker 1: rock face of Kelsey's fireplace, everything soaked in blood on
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Speaker 1: oven mits, on Kelsey Bear's purse. She cleaned it all up.
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Speaker 1: And then while he after killing Kelsey goes and says
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Speaker 1: down to Thanksgiving dinner with his family. It certainly didn't
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Speaker 1: hurt his appetite. Then after she said listen, she goes
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Speaker 1: with him and arm in arm they watch the body
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Speaker 1: burn on a bonfire. Help me out, Ashley, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: didn't mean to interrupt you.
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Speaker 5: But two things.
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Speaker 12: The first say is let's talk about him and the
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Speaker 12: fact that such a brutal, hanous murder. Of course, there's
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Speaker 12: blood on every inch of everything in that home. Of
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Speaker 12: course there is he beat her with a baseball bat.
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Speaker 12: Number two, she's complicit in this crime. You don't go
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Speaker 12: clean it up. You don't have information that, oh we've
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Speaker 12: tried and talked about killing her in the past. These
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Speaker 12: are crimes that you report to the police immediately. She's
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Speaker 12: complicit in this murder.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, Ashley, you really hit the nail on
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Speaker 1: the head. And let me go to you. Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California Prosecutor. When you see an attack like this that
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Speaker 1: is so bloody, it's just chaos. Many experts say, oh,
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Speaker 1: that was a crime of passion bs Wendy, that's a
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Speaker 1: technical legal term. Because he had approached her I believe
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Speaker 1: four times, once to beate Kelsey with a baseball bat.
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Speaker 1: Once he gave her a metal pipe, according to her,
25:12
Speaker 1: Once he wanted her to poison ke Is caramel of
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Speaker 1: macchiato with ambient and valium. And once they tried to
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Speaker 1: get her to come do the day but she was
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Speaker 1: in Reno and couldn't get a ticket. This is well planned.
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Speaker 1: This is no spur of the moment murder, that's right.
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Speaker 13: And it's that chronology of sophisticated attempts, prior attempts that
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Speaker 13: really will just blow out of the water some kind
25:33
Speaker 13: of a defense based on passion. And I think we
25:36
Speaker 13: see that in cases like this frequently, where you have
25:38
Speaker 13: to look at the history of what's gone on between
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Speaker 13: this couple of how has it been pre planned? But
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Speaker 13: given that, one of the things that strikes me about
25:46
Speaker 13: this case, you know, it would have been much much calmer,
25:49
Speaker 13: let's say, if it were a poisoning or something like this.
25:51
Speaker 13: The brutality of the way the murder was finally committed
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Speaker 13: in this case is shocking, and it no doubt is
25:58
Speaker 13: going to be shocking to people that are now going
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Speaker 13: to be deciding why it happened, how it happened and
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Speaker 13: who all is culpable before it?
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Speaker 5: Prosecutors have met the burden to show there is enough
27:35
Speaker 5: evidence to charge Patrick Frasey with murder.
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Speaker 2: He will stay in jail with no bond pending trial.
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Speaker 5: Central to the case for prosecutors is testimony from Crystal Leaf,
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Speaker 5: a woman we now know David Patrick in college. The
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Speaker 5: two also had an affair in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 5: Prosecutors save Phrasey asked her to kill Kelsey Bareth three
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Speaker 5: different times.
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Speaker 14: She sat and said I can't do this and tells
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Speaker 14: Patrick I can't do this.
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Speaker 5: We also know from court documents, Li says Frasey told
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Speaker 5: her to lie to the FBI in addition to help
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Speaker 5: make it look like Bareth was in Idaho and may
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Speaker 5: have killed herself.
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Speaker 10: Crystal cleans up blood, but leaves behind some telltale evidence
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Speaker 10: for our investigators to find.
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Speaker 5: Investigators spoke to three other people besides Lee about this case.
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Speaker 5: Each had details revealing the plan prosecutors say Frasey had
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Speaker 5: all along to kill Barett. It's still unclear exactly why
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Speaker 5: any of them did not come forward sooner and if
28:37
Speaker 5: they could have saved Barett's life.
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Speaker 1: That was a question that was asked today.
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Speaker 14: Did she call police?
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Speaker 1: Is not one that was answered on the record.
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Speaker 5: You know, we are constrained that we can only talk
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Speaker 5: about what was put on the record on any particular day.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing CBS Denver Sean Chittnis talking the very latest
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Speaker 1: after coming through an ARRESTAFFI David and we got out
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Speaker 1: of the court room. You know, now she's saying that
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Speaker 1: she left blood behind. I'm talking about the girlfriend, Crystal
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Speaker 1: Lee left blood behind on the face of Kelsey's fireplace.
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Speaker 1: The murder occurred in the living room for cops to find.
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Speaker 1: You know, why not just call the cops when he
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Speaker 1: first asked her to commit murder? Straight out to crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com, ellencylurin Ellen, I'm not really buying it
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Speaker 1: this She intentionally left blood behind for inspecters or detectives
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Speaker 1: to find.
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Speaker 6: Me neither, Nancy. That's one of my biggest problems with
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Speaker 6: her testimony.
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Speaker 4: I'm really really struggling with her claims that she said
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Speaker 4: after the fact that she did all of these things
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Speaker 4: to help investigators, that she left the blood on the fireplace,
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Speaker 4: but clean the rest of it up. If you really
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Speaker 4: wanted to help investigators, maybe don't dispose of the tooth
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Speaker 4: that was dislodged when Patrick Crazy allegedly beat Kelseybarris over
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Speaker 4: the head. If you really wanted to help investigators, you
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Speaker 4: would leave something more obvious. We're also learning some things
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Speaker 4: in the arrests Appetite but that was released yesterday.
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Speaker 6: That I'm not a lawyer, and I'm interested in what.
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Speaker 12: You all would legal experience believe.
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Speaker 4: But I'm worried that the defense is going to go
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Speaker 4: after a lot of things that we're learning, including the
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Speaker 4: fact that she lied to police. Initially they went to
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Speaker 4: meet her out in Las Vegas, where she was on
30:20
Speaker 4: a trip, and she said that she didn't have a
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Speaker 4: relationship with Patrick Crazy. She said she'd never heard of
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Speaker 4: Kelsey Barris. And now the prosecution's case seems to be
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Speaker 4: hinging so much on her testimony and there's nobody.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you I think that the study is
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Speaker 1: going to have to put her on the stand and
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Speaker 1: hold their nose at the time. I mean, Joseph Scott, Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Scott, what about forensics? Will
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Speaker 1: they carry the day? Because here's where I'm coming from,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, this is not what I believe happened. But
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Speaker 1: Crystal Lee, the rodeo queen, his other lover, has really
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Speaker 1: set herself up for a claim that she's the killer.
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Speaker 1: She's there on the scene, she cleans up the blood,
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Speaker 1: she gets rid of evidence, she knows where the body is,
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Speaker 1: she knows what happened to it, and that he can
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Speaker 1: easily claim she did it. Will forensic cabinets carry the day?
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott let it go?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Hey, I got to tell you, Nancy, I think
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Speaker 9: that the defense is really going to drill down on
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Speaker 9: this where they're going to try to pin it to
31:23
Speaker 9: her more than likely. And look, I would if we
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Speaker 9: could have it in a perfect world, I'd love to
31:30
Speaker 9: have this woman's body because I think that you're going
31:35
Speaker 9: to find out a lot more information relative to these
31:38
Speaker 9: injuries she sustained in the power that was involved in
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Speaker 9: bludgeoning her to death with this alleged baseball bat, and
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Speaker 9: you know, yeah, it's going to be very powerful at
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Speaker 9: the scene relative to what kind of testing they did
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Speaker 9: there this blood that was allegedly cleaned up in an
31:56
Speaker 9: attempt to, you know, cover this whole thing up. Did
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Speaker 9: they get this to luminous with something like luminol out there? Oh?
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Speaker 1: I know they used it's in the affidavit. They used
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Speaker 1: the blue Star regent. Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Yeah. And what's really great about this? Do you remember
32:13
Speaker 9: just a few moments ago you were talking about how
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Speaker 9: what was that amount of time that she drove to
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Speaker 9: get there? You said something like thirteen hours.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, overnight.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, hey get this. Did you know that the longer
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Speaker 9: you allow these stains to set in place, it's just
32:27
Speaker 9: like anything else, Nancy, a piece of clothing, the harder
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Speaker 9: it is to wipe away, to wipe away even using bleach,
32:35
Speaker 9: any of trace elements of blood. So they waited a
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Speaker 9: long time before they clean this mess up.
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Speaker 1: What does that say to you? Let's go to our
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist joining us today at the Florida Jurisdiction, doctor
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, Doctor Bober, it just is beyond me how
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Speaker 1: he can beat her head in with a baseball bat
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Speaker 1: while she's smelling a candle he gave her with the
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Speaker 1: baby in a playpen in the next room, have a
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Speaker 1: horribly bloody crime scene, I mean soaked, soaked in blood,
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Speaker 1: and just fold her body up and put it in
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Speaker 1: a tote bag, put it in his pickup truck, drive
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Speaker 1: to his family's house with the baby, I guess, wash
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Speaker 1: his hands of the blood like Poncha's pilot, and sit
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Speaker 1: down to turkey and dressing in cranberry sauce like nothing's wrong,
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Speaker 1: leaving the crime scene, sitting there to decompose for two
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Speaker 1: full days for his mistress to come clean it up.
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Speaker 1: What is that, doctor Bober?
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Speaker 7: Cruise psychopathy, nancy, zero remorse, zero empathy, zero connection with
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Speaker 7: other human beings. But Crystal Lee is very interesting because
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Speaker 7: you know, she's claiming to be this clueless, hapless victim
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Speaker 7: that was unwillingly let down the path, and clearly she's complicit.
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Speaker 7: Clearly she's involved. She lies, she tried to conceal evidence,
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Speaker 7: she tampered with the scene, and I think she's, you know,
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Speaker 7: truly responsible. I think she knew exactly what she was
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Speaker 7: doing and she was intimately involved.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Ellenclauraan, Crime online dot Com, investigative reporter
34:14
Speaker 1: at crime online dot com, we have this and all
34:17
Speaker 1: other breaking news and crime and justice to Eka. Let
34:21
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Let's talk about Crystal having
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Speaker 1: a gun in her car. I saw that in the affidavit,
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Speaker 1: especially as it relates to her best friend, Megan Garrison.
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Speaker 4: That's right, there's a new item in the appathavit that
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Speaker 4: shows not that Crystal.
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Speaker 6: Did a lot to cover up what she was doing.
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Speaker 4: She switched cards with her friend Megan, apparently because she
34:50
Speaker 4: didn't want her very recent ex husband to know what
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Speaker 4: was going on, so she switched cards with her friend.
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Speaker 4: And the FBI interviewed the friend later in the investigation
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Speaker 4: and the friend.
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Speaker 1: Said that she has a gun.
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Speaker 6: We don't know what type of weapon, but.
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Speaker 4: She had a gun in her car, and the friend
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Speaker 4: Megan told investigators that there was It does not sound
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Speaker 4: like it's a gun that she uses very often. She
35:16
Speaker 4: said that there was a bullet missing last night. I
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Speaker 4: called Spencer Curson, a friend of Crime Online and Crime
35:23
Speaker 4: Stories who's a security expert, and he explained to me
35:26
Speaker 4: that it's possible for a bullet to discharge from a
35:30
Speaker 4: gun without it being fired. But again, this is something
35:33
Speaker 4: that I worry that the defense is going to look
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Speaker 4: at it and say, wait, second, what happened with this
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Speaker 4: gun and is it too late to get any kind
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Speaker 4: of ballistics from it?
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Speaker 1: To Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, Wendy, where does this leave
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Speaker 1: Crystal Lee, the Rodeo queen, divorced mother of two, has
35:52
Speaker 1: been dating Patrick Frasey since college. They reignited their love
35:58
Speaker 1: according to this affidavit in around two thousand seventeen or eighteen.
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Speaker 1: I think that's according to the ex husband who's living
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Speaker 1: with her under the same roof. Where does this leave
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Speaker 1: her credibility? Because if you carefully read the affidavit, you
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Speaker 1: see that she lied to her best friend, Megan Garrison.
36:17
Speaker 1: She told her best friend that she was going somewhere different.
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Speaker 1: She set up a fake email message that she had
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Speaker 1: to stay that night and that would be the night
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Speaker 1: she was cleaning up the murder scene with Megan because
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Speaker 1: she was quote too drunk to drive something some bs
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Speaker 1: like that in case her ex husband read the emails. Okay,
36:38
Speaker 1: so she's setting up a fake email, She goes and
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Speaker 1: gets a new phone to get rid of all the
36:43
Speaker 1: cell phone evidence. She cleans the crime scene. She's been
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Speaker 1: solicited three or four times to commit murder and never
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Speaker 1: calls the police. She stands there arm in arm with
36:54
Speaker 1: Patrick Frazy while they watch the black toad bag with
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Speaker 1: silver handles, milt with a heap as she describes it
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Speaker 1: inside and she won't she won't say it to cops.
37:06
Speaker 1: But she knew that was Kelsey's body and cash this.
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Speaker 1: You got the mom too, Frasey's mom, Sheila, who was
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Speaker 1: home at the time of the bonfire. So what's her credibility?
37:18
Speaker 1: What is uh Crystal Lee's credibility?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Nancy, it leaves her in a really bad spot
37:25
Speaker 13: when it comes to being a credible witness. And when
37:28
Speaker 13: we discuss the relationship she had with the defendant in
37:32
Speaker 13: this case, the killer. You know, I know that it
37:34
Speaker 13: sounds like, oh, it was an affair. They used to
37:36
Speaker 13: be sweethearts back in the day. It's a relationship of
37:39
Speaker 13: power and control to commit a murder and then insist
37:42
Speaker 13: she come over and clean up the mess, No doubt.
37:44
Speaker 13: These are the kinds of cases where a woman that's
37:46
Speaker 13: involved often says I was under the influence of the
37:49
Speaker 13: perpetrator and I didn't I feared what would happen if
37:52
Speaker 13: I didn't comply with his requests. If you were to
37:55
Speaker 13: look at it through that lens, she might have more
37:57
Speaker 13: credibility than not. But again, Nancy, like you just pointed
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Speaker 13: out this long list of inconsistencies and dishonest statements that
38:05
Speaker 13: are listed in the affidavit, that's got to amount to
38:08
Speaker 13: a huge blow to credibility, notwithstanding the fact that she
38:12
Speaker 13: was involved in a very sick relationship.
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Speaker 10: Crystal and tells us that on October I'm sorry, November
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Speaker 10: twenty second Thanksgiving, Patrick kills Kelsey in a horrific manner
38:27
Speaker 10: with a bat in the back of the head as
38:29
Speaker 10: Kelsey is sniffing candles with a blindfold over her eyes.
38:35
Speaker 10: Crystal tells us that Patrick then calls her after he
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Speaker 10: has put Kelsey in a black plastic tote, calls Crystal to.
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Speaker 14: Count and help him clean up. She does not come
38:49
Speaker 14: out that day.
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Speaker 10: She cannot come out that day, but she does come
38:52
Speaker 10: out on October twenty fourth, and as Crystal describes, when
38:56
Speaker 10: she walks into Kelsey's condo, the scene is horrific. There's
39:02
Speaker 10: blood everywhere. There are bloody footprints everywhere.
39:12
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in the last days, The
39:20
Speaker 1: Colorado Supreme Court rules the caseworker was not acting as
39:24
Speaker 1: LA law enforcement when meeting with Frasey, and therefore there
39:30
Speaker 1: was no reason to give Phrasey his Miranda rights. The
39:34
Speaker 1: court went on to determine the DHS worker had an
39:38
Speaker 1: independent duty to investigate the safety and protection of Bear's baby,
39:45
Speaker 1: and it was not to further the investigation against Phrasey
39:50
Speaker 1: by law enforcement. That's a whole other can of worms
39:54
Speaker 1: than when you're being interrogated by police. Patrick Frasey to
39:58
Speaker 1: remain behind bars for a now. Anyway, the Colorado Supreme
40:01
Speaker 1: Court upholds his murder conviction, probably because of the incendiary
40:06
Speaker 1: nature of the facts that came out at trial. Trust me,
40:10
Speaker 1: it ain't over yet. Frasey is going to appeal this
40:13
Speaker 1: all the way to the US Supreme Court if he can,
40:16
Speaker 1: and we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace's crime story.
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Speaker 1: Signing off