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Talks to Pete Lambert about his choice of The Doctor Dances (2/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary
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podcast. I have done that a few times.
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Now, 450 to be precise. Hello, I think the plural is
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they're Justified. Hey, commentaries podcast, I
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love to hear it. I know you do however, its feet
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Lambert. Hello, mr.
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Joe, how you doing bored? I do that.
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I get it right, I'll get it. Oh, you know, my friend.
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Joey, my mother used to call me Josephine this shit.
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Yeah, we have Ralph calls me or you respectfulness that we
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deserve a marvelous time. Discussing the empty child.
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We did a lot. I felt I was being randomly rude
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about other stories and whenever I do that, I feel bad.
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Because like, whatever story of just like off, is somebody's
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favorite Story. Probably lots of people's
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favorite story and other all going to hate me, but it's all
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talk to you. I gotta be honest, I really wish
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after listening to your flight for entirety.
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Episode of the doctor will be there in the wardrobe.
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I was like he's holding back. I'm really getting them on hand
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to a blunt penknife. Talk about this.
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Oh, yeah. Can we do a conscious anyone to
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know you've done that already know, I have done it.
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But, you know, I can do do-overs people don't mind.
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Okay. Well, we could see see things
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even worse, like, wedding of River Song or something like
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that. Okay.
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Let's do it. I've watched it twice.
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I remember watching it once and then 10 years later.
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Going back to watch it twice a second time and hating even
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more, are you going to self-hate period right now?
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Because you've already signed up to the twin dilemma?
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Well, that's the one we've been putting off, which is laying for
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listeners. If we have, let's get them all
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off already. But many things are we my life?
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And one of them is doing well yeah but angry about for giving
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him such a rough start and the only could have been the doctor
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for 10 years if you had a better start at it, I think.
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But anyway, yes, loving So we could announce that we we keep
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doing other stories and I've done every single country of
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Season 22. Now apart from the one that you
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would imagine I would have done first revelation.
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Yeah, action start.
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Yeah. Well there's two stories that
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are the opposite ends of such a diverse Season, the, the coziest
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and the darkest. I just know, there's someone out
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there. Listen to this right now,
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listening to you say terrible, things about the doctor, the
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Widow and the Wardrobe. But fabulous things about Mark
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of the Rani and going this man insane.
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Yes. Here is it?
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Here is a flowchart which proves that the dot drew it in the
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water is clever. And heartwarming their children
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and they makes you cry. This is what children are
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supposed to do. Massive specs.
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He's so annoying. And he looks so sorry.
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No way. Anyway, there are lovely
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children in this as we've already said.
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Yes. Because they know the place.
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It's not all about that. Be done.
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Did you know, I got as a kid, I remember saying the thing I love
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about one thing I love my daughter who is not got annoying
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children in it. So I was horrified, when body
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language was cast, is another way to make me lose all my
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friends. But because she was famous for
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playing annoying spoiled little brat children who it is.
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Screaming scream all the time, it's Queen pan.
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So there we go, that happened. Um, you wrote down a few points
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of discussion. Yes, we started this or what
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everyone up, come on before starting the episode.
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Okay, let's go. I have you, this was the first
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script by Steven Moffat on television I ever saw.
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I've realized not and I wasn't preemptively avoiding him or
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anything. I just never I'd never call a
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press gang or coupling. I just never saw them, did you?
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Well, I had never seen press gang, but I had seen coupling,
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and I thought it was the most ghastly sitcom seen in my life.
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Full of unlikable cat that I go wrong.
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It was to do is structured very cleverly, like, Moffat always
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generally does. But, ah, God, this is a
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character, keep commenting on how clever the scriptures and
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how, well, written their lines obviously had sex gags all the
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time. So, I wasn't familiar foes.
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Oh God, sex gags. You think he'd be custom built
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for me when I was gonna say? Well, yeah.
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But it's white noise. Me is too close to home page.
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Well, no, but there's a really this.
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Yeah, to you could something can be just generally.
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Something can be really close to being your thing and does not
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hit it, quite right and it really sets you on edge will
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test. You have one, there's me on it
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example, I do but I can't think of it because it but it's
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something I'm very familiar with like like music.
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And there might be a song that if I'd really like some every
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like some types of sing a song writers who passionately singing
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about issues in their lives and stuff, but if they do it and if
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it's just some of them are just not doing it in a way that
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resonates with me and it's and it sets me on edge and another
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one that someone else would only sounds slightly different will
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absolutely like my dashboard. So it's like, it's like that.
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Nearly something is very nearly right for.
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You can often be so wrong that it's that is very wrong.
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So this is what, but I'm with innuendo and stuff like that.
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I did, if it needs to be playful, I like it when the
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characters doing, it aren't aware that they're doing it.
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And that's why there's not much innuendo in the 13th talk to
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talk to her, but when there is, it's what I find, it really
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funny because she's oblivious to it, whereas, when the Tenth
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Doctors just winking, or when the Eleventh Doctor's get waving
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his Sonic Screwdriver up and down, at Jenny.
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It is is very old as you because I'll tell you what, I am a
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massive fan of, are you being served and I Think it's just
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played madly over the top there. My it's just done brilliantly in
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a way that the Steven Moffat. Oh God, I want to see a Steven
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Moffat reboot of. Are you being served so much?
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Mrs. Slocombe is obviously a Dominatrix and that all the
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female characters, a dominatrix. Poppin one, who's a simpering
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idiot? Who's in love with mr.
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Humphries, oh my God. This is so easy to write itself
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because I'm good. Did you see the reboot of that?
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I see, I didn't think it was too terrible, you know?
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That's the it was like six and a half hour 10 whereas I was
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expecting it to be an unwatchable but I gave it a look
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because a couple of the cast of coli and the funny thing about
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mrs. Slocombe I did really made me
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laugh the way that we Slocum was still going on about where's my
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pussy is my place. I like those.
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The one you the new guy in the office in is like why is she
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talking about her come? Wonderful sequence where she's
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talking about when she met her husband and it's during the
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blitz, so, it's quite relevant to this.
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She goes. Yes, he there were bombs raining
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everywhere. He dived on me and went look out
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here. Comes an incendiary the blitz
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humor. Liz human was definitely a
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thing. It's how you play it though.
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I think it's how you play it. The and how Mollie sugden played
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it, which was very charmingly. Whereas how Alex Kingston but he
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needs it. Well, I've still got from them,
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but I could still remember the stories that I enjoyed River
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Song it like as library and Well, I really like shouldn't
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Library. That's me.
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Forgetting the names of stories and not only that one.
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Yeah, so I don't going to be back and I'm trying to explain
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that she actually doesn't annoy me as much as a lot of other
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things Meredith. I don't think she's that bad,
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but I know a lot of people can't stand.
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Anyway, the doctor Tulsa's, the doctor dances will count as
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income on The doctor starts in. I should do this too in a jazz
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Tempo, but I'm not going to in 3 2, 1 go.
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It's a recap. He's talking about sex, right?
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Yeah. And it's kind of all right, Rock
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shakes well except it's not it and know I kind of enjoy this is
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this isn't? This is doing it well, this is
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teasing you about whether they're going to go there or
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not, go there and I'll show, you can't do that. 15 years.
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So you've got to actually decide whether you're going to go there
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or not. And so, fair enough.
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What's the inference that the end there?
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When Jack says car car in and he says, no, you most definitely
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cannot. Yeah.
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Well, it's, it's my, are we meant to take this as for the
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doctor and Rose are shagging or not, but it's but it's
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ambiguous. So it lets you decide, I'd
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rather know that kiss they have in the part of the ways is so
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chased their experience that this point.
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Yeah, well my feet didn't write that, did he?
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That's very true? That is Very true.
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Okay, so we've got quite a long recap here.
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Yeah. And and together still learning
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up my and this is sort of this is unusual for a muffin story.
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That it was a two-parter that it is a 90-minute long story that
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stops in the middle, whereas most of us to part has a story
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and then another story that's really sort of a sequel to it or
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a prequel to it or whatever. You know, I know is me about
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Recaps and it annoys me especially in Star Trek.
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Episode two bars, what's that? Well, they obviously telling you
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all the pertinent information, And that you need for.
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So they're pointing out all the important parts of part 1 rather
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than it. Just all being slaughtered in
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and it's all part of the experience.
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Okay. These are the things that are
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important. These are the things that will
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explain the conclusion. This is what you need to know.
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Yeah. But it's from that I get, I mean
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he goes but that's such a good resolution.
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It's supposed to go to saying, go to your room, never thought
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of it. That is, what did I what later
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on? He does.
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This thing does anyway, he doesn't resolve a cliffhanger,
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he just the plot just goes off. Off somewhere else.
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We go somewhere completely different.
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We will resolve it later. Yeah.
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Well and there's an episode of Sherlock which is the worst.
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Ever example of that, welcome back, don't get me started on.
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People don't show up Podcast and I'll come on in screen which
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family do you know what right has been having terrible last
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word but he's just laughing again.
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He's a God, I'm forgetting how good he is.
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And yeah, we talked about how sexy years we have fun with but
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I didn't actually put forth. He's the only doctor that I've
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ever considered to be sexy. Christopher Eccleston.
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Oh really. Yeah, thank you for your
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faithful. Joe surprised by this
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information brooding and handsome.
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And I'm not surprised by the fact.
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He fact, listen at it's, the blend is that he can flip from
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being angry and serious to them being playful and innocent.
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Yeah, so Matt Smith, don't lie. And a lot of people say, Davis,
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henan, Yeah, that not my bag until you have a type to you,
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pay you have time. Not in terms of look like
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yesterday, although I don't know specific but he's not it because
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wrexham is not my type. But he's just, he's got, he's
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got something and it's yeah, masculine.
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And also sort of we can be boyish as well.
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It can. Yeah, well, I think as well in
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the second half of the Season, he's mastered the comedy.
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I think there's a few Moments. And I think it's mostly down to
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Direction by Keith Baroque in some of those areas where, as
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now, he knows how to be, just very naturally sake and funny.
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And he was always going to do the drama well because he's a
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dramatic act. Oh, really?
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Yeah. Lord hockey season is there's a
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lot. So now we're having a nice long
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talk. Yeah.
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But that but then, I mean this we're how many minutes including
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the recap where it was three and a half minutes in, and it's been
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three and a half minutes of action action.
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Action passion. Oh my God, let music music
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music. And so nowadays, it's bullshit
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that people won't pay attention to Long dialogue scenes.
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There's a 20-minute dialogue scene at midnight and it's
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fucking gripping. Yeah, I'll get the best.
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That's my favorite. New series episode ever easy.
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Immediately after that turn left again the right order is turn my
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facts isn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Love that took. Yeah, absolutely.
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Took my gonna hear it. That talk about going out with a
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bang Russell T Davies. Yeah.
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They keep talking about that was on his list of episodes to do,
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and he finally got around to in season 4.
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Not that this isn't a rusty, Davis Kryptonite, but I wonder
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if the notion was floating around the writers room.
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I love those 1940s lamps, and they put 1940s light switches,
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which are the type that I had fitted to at my house because I
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love my love 20s to 40s design for houses.
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Well, that was quick. Sorry.
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No, I was distracted. I really liked that bit where
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the kid takes the mask off and you think.
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Oh yeah, yeah, child I'll hang on.
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There's a sequence in a minute. Now, isn't there about this
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fella? Who's been having it off with
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the butcher or something? Yeah, I could.
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Yeah, yeah. That's right.
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But it does but I can remember a homosexual reference.
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I'm not Yeah. This is one of this.
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Yeah, yeah, because it's amazing that this is this is 2005.
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We've had, when did the age of consent was only equal at
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finally equalised in? Was that funny because early
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2000s? It was Labor government.
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That did it was no civil Partnerships.
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Don't just come in around about this on.
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Yeah, and yeah, and people were still being dismissed from the
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Army for being gay until 2000. It's like, It's so easy to take
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this for granted. Yeah.
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Well, if I'll go by, obviously that has on the commentary, goes
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this weird Rusty, Davis is rhyme dog to, but the second I turned
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up. It will get very gay, he's not
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wrong. And I'm not, I don't disapprove
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that I took, I think people should right outside your
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comfort zone. You should write it, write the
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emotions and feelings that, you know, ugly.
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But you can know how somebody feels who hasn't even if you
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haven't walked in their shoes, when I really like it, when we
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get to a point where, you know, Jax Jax a bit obvious and in
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your face and a bit sick, call me.
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But I really like it when you get somebody like bill or
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something like yes and it's done quite sort of subtly, or subtly
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is more fit and ship nor gate. She was much better at it than
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locks it in my opinion, when I realized how he got it, is that
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bit in the Tardis with on top of the tallest in Paradox, when
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they don't kiss and I thought that was a nice mature
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conversation between two people that clearly loved each other
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but know that, they can't really go there.
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I like that a lot. Yeah, it was like, it was nice.
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It was well written, and I wanted her to go back.
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I wanted the doctor. And that I think that was
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handled so much better than the rest of the Martha situation,
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which was, but that was wrung out of it for more melodrama to
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be more to. We've got that, are you my
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mummy? Are you my mummy going around on
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the tape? Oh, this bit here.
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This is extremely well. The bit in a minute where it
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goes, the tapes run out and he's still talking and you suddenly
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realize the key design together, discussing what it is.
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Oh God. I just said those words.
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There we go. Yes.
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You don't sound sure. No.
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I'm just trying to let you know. I'd yeah.
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I liked it a lot. Like I don't think it was my
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favorite episode back. Yeah, well I'm trying because
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the because the, because it, but it was that was the year with
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family of blood and that was my favorite by Marley Human Nature.
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An awful lot of food. Mr. Lloyd, but he does, he does,
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do those jobs gets very well. I still think the best one ever
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is you're not looking at the Statue near EU that is still the
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best one he ever did. Yes.
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Yes. Yes, you know, I don't know.
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I was threatened about it. I did not blink.
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Links billion. Absolutely.
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Oh. I love the solace in librarian
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for us the dead M. Oh, well if you say so should
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you just do so right? So lovely.
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Nancy. Just blackmailing this gay
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character. Basically, I like he'll be shot
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if, if she out sim. So yeah, maybe she's not quite
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so, but I just think the inference is a bit gross that he
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gets a big bit of beef for his big bit of beef, you know, it's
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Strange. Yeah.
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Hast strangely Parts. I don't know why I turn that
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into more words and actually was choosing my words, carefully, I
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mean, but yeah, I don't care. I don't really care, like, I'm
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not offended that we've got a character whose seem to be gay
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and he's just there for seem to be villainous.
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If anything do it a bit more, there's is it was for us to see.
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Davis is things is it we're all of this Century Falls.
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Might be one of his other ones where there's all these
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characters who kind at all sort of evil.
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He's basically always seemed a bit queer in every sense and,
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and it's kind of like as they're the most fun characters to be.
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It's so obvious that that's why he's doing that.
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I pop it into a Star Trek, parallel universe and sewed.
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Yes. Oh my God.
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That moment is really good. The doctor is, do you remember?
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Yeah, I know but it's just but the doctor moment What a really
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good thing to land in Doctor, Who is a moment where the doctor
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realizes something. And he can either realize it,
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that banana joke, he can either realize it ahead of you or a
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moment behind you or whatever and it's like the best.
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One of all is the horror of fang Rock.
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I've locked in Lila with us. Yeah but this was an of that
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ilk, not not such a huge moment but done just as well.
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It's the it's a trap moment, isn't it?
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When you realize And he's yeah, the doctor realises 37 us but
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not to realize is before everyone else.
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I think the squareness got is a very cool idea because it means
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you can just cut squares out of cells.
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Nothing will ever top are now going off-piste?
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Again, the Christmas tree silhouette that cuts through in
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doing some of the invasion. Now that are trying to make a
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point to times and now I forgot what the point.
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Sorry was like that's right. Oh that was it.
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I've got it. Do you remember the Narrows
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narrows it down seen in World War 3 when they're he's trying
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to figure out where this Lavina from Uniqlo.
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Yeah. There's it down and Italy and he
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figures it out in a quick succession of dialogue.
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Well, you just had a similar scene there a minute ago between
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rows and the doctor. Yes, but it's done with less or
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Frenetic energy. Yeah, and it's more sort of
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intellectually piecing together all the narrative pieces.
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Yeah. It's a very nice picture, right?
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It's sort of part 3 Exposition, but it started and some of the
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less good moments and some of the chimney which I am no Basher
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of in general. But our where the doctor is is
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given frantic stuff like that to go through and it doesn't
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actually really hang together. She's just saying stuff very
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quickly and then at the end she goes on.
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So that is that and it hasn't taken hasn't really taken.
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With it, when it's being when someone a moment that has been
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done really well, they'll bounce you along and you're just about
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keeping up with it. I mean I'm going to say this.
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Yeah, I mean eat you know he clearly needs a wag before he
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starts right in and he is smart as houses but he is a smaller
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rather than chicken'll. I don't like that kind of
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comparison. Okay.
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Well, I'll say I saw the cows. Come on.
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He's got massive strength. Yeah.
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Right now so okay. Now they've so they shot that
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the square hole in floor, the wolf Orleans, wood floor and
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Captain Jack has vanished Also they have a bit of a long scene
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in a minute about where he goes all you just assumed that I've
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never danced. Well yes doctor we've had very
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little evidence of being in the last 40 years.
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But I don't want him to be Captain Kirk Even Flow if
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anybody in the nearest use in Kinder.
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Yes, but I got to see anything when two people are just getting
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on well and sparking together. And my room is value and me,
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honest, well which one of your naris give you a choice you'll
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definitely on top. A as for sure I'll be a drink in
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the TSS machine. It was very handsome, these
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days. Yes, some folks.
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Okay, so we got the kids back now, for a random scene where
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she just gets rid of them. Again, there's this padding.
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Are we spending our plates a little bit?
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Oh, no. Because because there's nothing
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about they had trouble with the timings of this episode's
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decision that all don't do season season, although two
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seasons did that's ironic actually season 26, had endless
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timing problems, didn't and 25. And for the, for the, for this
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being the next series after both of them to also have them you
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know, infamously this slaw. So the two-part story in the
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latter half of the Season most seasons gets the lowest viewers
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and the second episode gets usually gets the lowest viewers
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of this the season. So good because well, one I
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think is you hear, you've had the beginning and the excitement
23:31
of the show coming down, it's you haven't quite got to the end
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where you're building us this, massive conclusion ever sort of
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used to Doctor Who being on and then it's a two-part.
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I've so it's not something fresh the next week either.
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Yeah, you know what's annoying about that, empty, child,
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doctor, dances Impossible, Planet, Satan God, yell human
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nature, family of love, these are all the best episodes of the
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sea. See ya.
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Well, this is going by itself, guess what?
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It's being typed. Yeah, there is an explanation
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for this. I just cannot recall what it is.
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Well. Cumberland.
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You told me you were going to fax at your fingertips.
24:14
Come on. Sorry, I'll Google you turn.
24:16
Yeah, I'm Googling ratings fulfilling Joe, I'm Googling.
24:19
Right is pumped, as won't. Notice how?
24:21
Okay. Oh, yeah.
24:23
Rose got 10, .81. Then drop them down to 8.
24:27
Then we run back up to nine. Hovering around seven point.
24:29
Something 8 point something. Of course we got Dalek coming on
24:32
a, Dalek spinning gone. Oh yeah. 6.86 lowest rated
24:39
episode of the year. What this one?
24:41
Yeah. Oh no.
24:42
Sorry, I'm bad. Wolf was a bit lower.
24:45
So, but they've got basically, it's bubbling along between
24:48
eight and seven, the hyper just under seven.
24:51
I've got a feeling because it was the way it would all be one
24:54
Powers rather than two cars. Yeah.
24:57
But I don't think, I think he just kept you coming up so much
25:00
better story, telling them to partners with the time, right?
25:04
I just thought it looked like there's a certain frese on about
25:06
the first night thing, isn't it? Well yeah but I think that's
25:10
more of a thing. When you've got full Partners
25:13
before discussing I was discussing with someone on
25:15
Twitter and I don't know. I have the budgets worked in
25:17
those last in those McCoy Series where they spent so much money a
25:21
lot on remembrance of the Daleks.
25:22
I wonder if remembrance got, like, half the budget that year
25:25
because like greater show is shot in a car park.
25:28
Happiness, Patrol is just entirely in a small studio with
25:31
not much happens. Feels good The cheapest stories
25:35
to have made just because there's not, you know, it's all
25:38
Studio band and Battlefield. Sorry.
25:44
I'm jumping about seasons on it. No, no.
25:46
Anyway, sorry, it took about the wrong season but just budgeting
25:49
anyway, there, you know, funny old world.
25:52
I wonder they budget in this season.
25:54
Like where, where do you put the money?
25:57
I reckon they put the money into Dalek.
26:00
Apple, The Parting of the ways. Oh, sorry to interrupt.
26:04
But I but we just got a tiny little bit of what sounded like
26:07
the theme from secret army. As she's she's cutting through
26:10
Nancy's, cutting through the barbed wire to get at a point to
26:14
recognize that at the time. Now she's currently the barbed
26:16
wire to get into the same and and the music goes did it.
26:21
And it's like, that was a bit of the secret anything.
26:24
And now he's not above, you know, putting his theme Tunes, I
26:27
don't know. You recall Steptoe and Son in.
26:28
As I remember, I certainly Dude, that's lonely.
26:33
And the fact is, you're my room Greiner as well is just
26:35
delicious in this dialog here. When I was first watching this
26:40
and I roll over doctor, I don't want Rose in the doctor to be
26:43
acting like a weird couple that look like you just assume I
26:48
don't dance. So I really hate in Father's Day
26:52
where they have that bit at that spot in the flat and she's like,
26:55
oh, go off and go back to the Tardis to be rubbish from
26:58
Berkeley. And I'm like, am I watching
27:00
this? And has gotten nothing because
27:02
apart from that because I really loved Father's Day and I
27:05
forgotten that thing slightly annoyed me as well.
27:07
But Father's Day is Like an episode of Buffy.
27:08
To me, it's just got us a vibe to it.
27:11
Okay? Now Moonlight Serenade is
27:13
playing. This is this is my mom and dad
27:17
kind of music. My kids are the 40s.
27:20
Okay, this fat is great shorthand for the era, isn't it?
27:23
Yeah, one time there's a pad big power cut in Leicester across
27:26
the whole of leicestershire and at everything was off, but I had
27:29
a battery-powered radio. Now to put it on listening to
27:32
radio BBC Radio, Leicester still had power and they were playing
27:35
this time playing 1940s music and were.
27:38
And the DJ was saying, yes, we do.
27:40
Not many of you can hear us but a few of you can.
27:42
So we're still broadcasting by better solve end-of-the-world
27:45
kind of scenario, you know. And and he put He had the flags
27:48
normal Museum, then you put this on it and it's like a lot of
27:51
people saying it reminds him of the blitz because this is in
27:53
like nineteen eighty. When God lots of people could
27:57
still remember, it was very strange in it, because it's an
27:59
era. You know, where lots of people
28:02
dies and yet, there is a bizarre romance about it, isn't there?
28:06
Yeah, sort of camaraderie that people had in under that.
28:09
Well, and that was the thing. That was one of the things was
28:11
going to mention. Yeah, but watching this now,
28:13
after our generation has had lockdowns, I wondered whether it
28:16
would feel any different, but it doesn't really to me, but, like,
28:21
you know, survivors will never be the same.
28:24
Anyone who really watches that now?
28:25
You've got a but you know, the world didn't end.
28:28
It's weird how these things get people, people just sort of
28:31
compartmentalize it and want to go back with most things.
28:34
People want to go back to normal life as soon as possible.
28:37
But with the blitz we don't, we do that's become a massive part
28:40
of our folklore. Which people will love that sort
28:45
of reading watching listening and love this area.
28:49
Yeah. And it's an interesting I mean
28:51
like the UK seems to be far more still invested in the second
28:55
world war than a lot of other countries that were even more
28:59
affected by. I don't think the French or the
29:01
belgians spent as much time talking about World War Two as
29:04
we do after, when you consider that, they were conquered.
29:08
And then I Define and then freedoms, get freed and
29:11
everything. Well, I think I feel Like I feel
29:13
like this is where sort of, in terms of the character of the
29:16
British people sort of peak, isn't it?
29:19
You know where we could be most proud that we stood up to
29:22
people? And what this the dialogues in
29:24
here, a mouse in front of a lion, you know, I don't know
29:28
what you do to adults Hitler, but you scare the hell out of me
29:31
and what he says. We have none students Nazis.
29:36
Now that's, he's nasty creeping around the Oh no, this is all
29:44
bull coupling for toppling. The scene in the minute we're
29:48
algae. Where she's chained him, isn't
29:51
she? She's handcuffed to him and he's
29:54
transforming that I had my briefings suspense sequence.
29:58
Yeah. Oh, that's got two years is
30:02
memories missing. Gosh, that's gonna be exciting
30:04
to find out what happened with them.
30:05
Steven Moffat another day? Never do.
30:09
It is a little awkward, right? That is it, it is only do it,
30:14
but they don't tell you, but it eluded to the time for
30:27
everything of just not tying things up.
30:29
That's nothing new. My feet.
30:31
Just does it well having characters stand on stage and
30:33
tell the audience, how clever the writer is that?
30:36
You know what, right? If it came to a choice between,
30:38
not tie things up at all, or having that sequence in Time of
30:42
the Doctor where, all the plot points of season six are tied up
30:45
in this noisy. I would like watching now, all
31:03
Jenkins. Without a Jenkins before boy.
31:09
What should I do? I don't know what are the cat.
31:11
Yes, no, no. There's a Jenkins in curse of
31:14
fenric, one of the soldiers. Yeah, that's it.
31:16
Yeah, I always want to smashes all the chess sets.
31:19
That's what I was going to ask you was was the Second World War
31:23
Two closed, when Doctor Who was made because we didn't really
31:26
get there until curse of fenric. Yeah, that's right.
31:29
And then and the the drafted, a stroke those are trout and story
31:32
that have thought about doing it.
31:33
And they just decided not to because it was just too too
31:36
close to home. There's too many people who had
31:37
people who were killed, family members.
31:39
Killed in it and they just didn't want to didn't want
31:42
people to have to think about that while they're watching
31:43
telly which is strange because of video then go.
31:45
It's not like we talked we doing that.
31:47
Dad's Army are doing that but then he doesn't know.
31:49
People are getting killed in Dad's Army, dog, choose an
31:51
adventure series. Someone's going to have to die.
31:53
It's got to be life and death struggles in Doctor Who, which
31:55
don't have in a sitcom. Although, what would you do?
31:57
Have an adult. But if you do have an adult
31:59
drama, but I guess they're just talk as Doctor.
32:01
Who's the kids that I know, I said, even that doesn't really
32:04
add up because this kids are serious about the second world
32:07
war. Yeah, You know, the only way
32:11
he's going, he's doing the meeting who looks, doesn't he
32:14
like a Tory know, offensively? I can't stand it when people say
32:21
things like what I've just said but there you go.
32:25
I he just looked really like sort of if Michael Gove and
32:28
Michael Portillo had a love child literally my gas masks on
32:32
and then his head. Yeah although we cut away
32:34
slightly before be CGI. Goes too expensive or do we get?
32:37
No. Do we go back to it?
32:39
See where as I love this bit where Jack says, oh I'm going to
32:43
go and flirt with the guard and it's a guy.
32:45
I thought I had this is nice. I like it.
32:47
It's it is. I mean it's very it's a good way
32:49
to get shot if it's actually 1941 but I think I think it's
32:54
funnier in the doctor's daughter.
32:55
Went on a tries it though and they're all like no, no.
32:57
Like my womanly wiles. Also it So many species Peak so
33:09
that small fits all can, therefore yeah, we seek out new
33:12
life and new Star Trek quote, isn't it?
33:14
Yeah, seek out new life. I've got about that.
33:17
But yeah, at this point, it's the first time he's done it all.
33:19
It's all quite fun. I don't know.
33:21
Only knows him knows me. It's not all right?
33:23
Yeah. He's pinching his bottom in the
33:25
first one? Yeah.
33:29
I'm going to get mummy last time as you think that's probably
33:32
Jack's best look. You know this sport is look
33:35
yeah. He's worse.
33:39
Look, I know that's good. We get to see a little bit of
33:41
reaction because it's good. I like it.
33:42
When Barrowman does actually get to do some some acting, you
33:45
know, to look to be worried or concerned or you know, rather
33:50
than just always being and Cactus Jack is like, that's his
33:55
default setting isn't it? Yeah, except for, its not.
33:59
So it's good that they don't entirely pigeonhole him in that
34:01
otherwise to get boring very quickly.
34:02
But there's nothing about his people have commented on how
34:05
differently isn't Torchwood to her even doctor.
34:07
Who do? I talk to us.
34:08
The version of Jackfruit me and torture series one is like a
34:11
computer this brooding almost knife dr.
34:14
Ish person. Compared to in this when I use
34:16
almost is this cocky flirty almost 10th dr.
34:20
Ish person. Not what is weird?
34:21
He bounces between the two because depending on what they
34:24
want him to do in the script, he's either perky and fun or
34:27
blending and miserable. But do you have done all?
34:31
We all will Cho, aren't we? All I'm just perky know.
34:37
I could be very wrong. Really, I could suggest a few
34:39
episodes that would make you Broody and mr.
34:41
Trimble, let's get forward five seasons.
34:49
Did you watch any Torchwood? Yeah, yeah.
34:53
I was, I just watched it. I thought was sometimes it was
34:55
was my good. Sometimes it was quite good.
34:58
I quite liked even miles. A bit a bit.
35:01
Then, you know, what this scene in a second.
35:04
I would maybe just past the bit where she says to Nancy is going
35:08
to be. Alright, like, yeah, I really
35:10
like that bad. Yeah.
35:11
Me too, that managed to melt my icy?
35:15
Heart icy heart. You ain't that bad?
35:21
No. But I do I've ever heard of that
35:22
drama has to really hit the nail on the head and not over a get
35:26
for me to be get emotional with it.
35:29
This is like proper classic. So now did you say that?
35:31
That camera? When zooming down there towards
35:33
the child? All the zombies are getting up
35:36
there. All going to come out into the
35:37
dark now I love all of this stuff when when they come
35:42
through the gates and there's like a crane shot over the
35:45
hospital, them all coming out and it's still quite a while to
35:49
go. We're still got 20 minutes,
35:51
well, with 2000, 26 minutes in like and in later stories, this
35:56
kind of thing would be happening right at the end of an episode.
35:59
And you know, that there was going to be a sudden button that
36:01
they could just press to undo it all.
36:03
But at this point, Anything that's really nice.
36:07
So I think the character twist the fact that is a character
36:12
ending rather than a ploy ending.
36:14
I have that on. This is nice.
36:16
Yeah, this is when you talk about the same between the rows
36:18
and Nancy Yeah, and Roses just so noisy.
36:23
I feel like rose gets her best moment when she interacts with a
36:26
guest character a bit. Like Gwyneth in the unquiet.
36:30
Dave's. Yes I have a long sequence in
36:32
sort of the scullery, don't they?
36:35
Yeah. And they talked about and and
36:37
they're not on Rose isn't well, there's a little bit she's
36:39
almost as possible. So character called the made
36:43
character course when affect you you said it's a witness points
36:49
out to Rose that. She's kind of been really
36:50
Patrick. Sizing and Road realizes it and
36:52
like that. Yeah, it's so well written.
36:54
And they're both come across as really good.
36:56
Character really well created characters and like the the very
36:59
quick scene with the technician in the end of the world, the
37:04
blue woman, I realize that that was a padding scene, wasn't it?
37:08
That they've said that was written because it was run by
37:10
facings. It's such a good moment and it
37:11
really makes makes a character more interesting.
37:13
But but you're right and an emphasis on her character and
37:17
series to like she has a scene with Renee.
37:20
The go in the fireplace and you can see she's barely holding
37:23
them back from chlorine her face off.
37:26
Well, they're talking. Yeah, and I mean, that was very
37:28
simple. Just what character are you
37:30
doing? All this shit would make some
37:31
would go to somebody's head and make them really arrogant.
37:37
But yeah, that was the same with.
37:38
So we just had the, we win. Seen.
37:42
Here we go Nana jeans, he's already sad. and you see the
37:51
graves of people who just died of old age, whatever during the
37:53
war and it's like, they never found out that we want but I'm
37:56
thinking that when I was a kid, so sad, they must have died
38:00
thinking that, you know, the world might end up being taken
38:03
over by fascists and that scene, they're always reminds me of
38:07
being a thinking that when I was a kid Can I take that down to a
38:12
personal and very selfish level? I have a fear one day not of
38:18
dying thinking that you know we didn't win a war somewhere like
38:21
that. I have a fear of dying and
38:23
they'll be another Doctor Who episode out after I died that I
38:25
won't see such I did just what that's what pretty much tell
38:29
you. It's just last lines were and I
38:32
don't know what can find out. What happens next.
38:37
I will see. Could be fantastic.
38:44
Exodus and really dumb. This is so good because
38:46
Eccleston has got a see selling this.
38:48
This other every single person in the world could be killed by
38:51
this and it's your fault Jack. I think you're right.
38:54
He's got tears in his eyes. Mmm, but he is doing it.
39:00
When did you get in Star Trek, where Shatner will be going, you
39:03
know, and really frustrating to the audience and it would be
39:06
gathered the agonizing, where as he stood with this, Absolute
39:10
intensity. He believes everything he's
39:13
saying. Yeah, and sometimes and his
39:16
fight is finding it and sometimes you ever does happen
39:18
sometimes. But not, not here, like this is
39:21
just perfect. He's just, he's just you major
39:26
in the first episode about how that comes in.
39:32
Now, it's really gentle. And yeah, and this music Still
39:36
dismiss, it has to crescendos. Is there are those that those
39:38
the moment earlier when they were all Chased around.
39:41
It was really going for it but and also Marriott has not yet
39:44
started doing the this B funny music.
39:46
And that's what I hate most want anything at all my, for my ears
39:49
off whenever that starts up. And it's this thing that sorry
39:53
I'm thinking. Well, I've only drinking green
39:55
tea, I don't know, I'm spilling it but I have the worst example
39:58
of that and yeah it's bit quirky.
40:00
Did you do there's Widow in the wardrobe with the chairs or
40:04
start whizzing about which is our last could enjoy that
40:07
moment. That the music just hammers it
40:10
home. Why are you laughing?
40:11
It's funny laughs. He walks into the tree
40:15
backwards. Remember no space suits on
40:19
backwards and he walked straight into a spacesuit.
40:21
Yeah it sort of goes seem subtle hang on though.
40:33
You and me watch the stones of blood and there's that the dirt
40:40
The me a flesh wound. Musically, speaking of magic
40:43
would say, let's watch, I watch them.
40:46
I wish the presentation the other day and I remember I
40:48
remember laughing when I was seven at that point where I do
40:51
it's been good and you guys, it's Billy a flesh wound, flesh
40:55
wound. What is that?
40:57
He's such a sweet and it's sorry.
41:00
Anyway, there are such bombs are exploding is the climax of the
41:02
episode but never comes back online.
41:06
But this is being done. Another, one of my Star Trek
41:09
than us. Another one.
41:10
The volcano day things getting brought up again, unless I start
41:14
I think that you're probably tell me, it's completely untrue
41:16
that we. Having said that, they had
41:17
animals all the time in that generation, it turns out it was
41:21
only once. Is that, right?
41:22
The other thing that I spent my teenage years thinking is
41:25
particularly in Voyager. Maybe was in my twenties by then
41:28
but there are so many voyages, dramatic moments there.
41:29
Just everyone standing around. Desks shouting percentages at
41:32
each other and it's like the children 27%.
41:36
Oh yeah. That is literally every single
41:41
website. Okay, every single one and she
41:44
gets to say debris a lot. Hey yes.
41:47
How moving is this? How moving is this woman before?
41:51
Oh yeah. Sorry she's acting a socks off
41:53
and we talked about this, I don't expect this, this was more
41:56
shocked me about this first season, Father's Day of Service
41:58
like this where there was this high level of emotion and I
42:03
would have thought if you do put injected Listen to dr.
42:05
Who it'll be pretty agonizing and it's not it's judged.
42:10
Really well. Yeah, yeah.
42:15
Oh and the simple. The resolution is her just
42:17
saying yeah I am your mommy. Yeah.
42:23
Okay. So do you like the everybody
42:25
live sending get a sort of just this once everybody lives the
42:31
fall line and I liked it until the next time we do it.
42:36
Yeah. And it's so and it's educational
42:40
because like it's going to leave kissing or why did she have to
42:42
not tell? Why was she allowed to say that
42:44
she's his mummy? Yeah, I guess that doesn't.
42:48
None of us are a little bit of a magic glow of pixie dust.
42:53
Don't forget about the welfare state.
42:55
Is that as I've just coming up and we just missed it and I
42:59
said, yeah, yeah. Oh no.
43:03
You know what? The funniest bit Estonia or mr.
43:06
Constantine. What?
43:09
I went into the house and he goes, is it possible you
43:16
miscounted? That's a great line.
43:24
Yeah, Agustin plays this brilliantly as well as his give
43:26
me a like this. Yeah.
43:33
Have you heard this before this before?
43:35
This music is so good. I haven't let you know.
43:38
He's brilliant. Terrific.
43:45
Oh everyone's smiling, I'm smiling.
43:47
I'm happy Murray. Gold is beca doing lovely music.
43:50
He's swelling right in the world.
43:52
A mother and son are reunited. Yes.
43:56
John peromyscus appear with a huge bond between his Lakes.
44:00
Okay. So still got six minutes to go.
44:02
Yeah. I think this is very cool
44:06
because I've established that the ship can do this.
44:08
They've established that the bombs are going to drop.
44:10
And that's such a nice shot with a big hospital up in the dark,
44:13
in the background. That's a less nice shot of being
44:15
on top of that bomb, though. Well, it's quite as good though,
44:17
it's quite funny, dr. Strangelove is that paint is the
44:22
campus thing in the whole story. You can do Baron read that
44:28
script guide. Of course, I got a bond between
44:30
my legs, you know? Sorry, I'm going on Shaky
44:34
Ground. How long is it before?
44:36
We see it for Jack comes back. It's not until Utopia.
44:43
No, yeah, I'll say he dies at the end of partner ways, gets
44:50
brought back then, he has tortured series one.
44:52
Oh no, sorry. Yeah, that's what I'm meaning.
44:55
I'm meaning how long it is a parting of the ways, the next or
44:57
bad water. The next time he's in it.
44:59
It is, isn't it? Yeah, Boom Town.
45:02
Of course, I've gotta tell ya. I need to re-watch.
45:05
I need to do a seasonal. Now, this fit with the dr.
45:08
Sprinkles of pit fairy dust over the wall.
45:11
Yeah, everybody lives Rose. Just this once.
45:16
Are you okay with that? I'm okay with that.
45:18
I am. Ya know, you got double
45:20
standards met after ripping into the denser the TV movie.
45:25
Yeah, but no because it's only because he's got these nanites
45:28
that's true. Why doesn't he just take
45:29
somebody's pocket? And oh, God, he could just take
45:31
them to every planet has ever been to.
45:33
Now, I'm Joan, you've ruined are just taking some of these bloody
45:37
nose with him, you know, Joe just wished.
45:40
You Wilson. Come on, Oh, I'm glad to have to
45:47
consistently. Do you just excited that the leg
45:49
lines coming up now? Love it.
45:52
Constant time. She's right.
45:59
Well, you know, you may have got a bit of a thing about Dotty old
46:02
women in doctorate we have. Oh yeah.
46:04
Oh yeah, she's fine. But it would be better if
46:06
they've got the most haman's player, it's over.
46:09
That one, the word. This is too young to be a
46:12
playwright mother. There we go.
46:20
As long as soon as all these actors are cleared out of the
46:22
way. Oh, that's right.
46:23
Cause the bulb has to go off, doesn't it because history
46:26
because they knew for a fact that it did.
46:28
Yeah. Do you know there's a father
46:30
hasn't been a liner. So what is it was?
46:32
I think there's a fabulous bit of direction in a minute.
46:34
As a really simple shot where you're inside, Jack's spaceship
46:39
and then it pulls back inside the Tardis, the camera you
46:43
remember and you go for is The opposite of that shot.
46:47
You get in the sensor is when they go out of the TARDIS.
46:50
Oh, I see spaceship. Yeah, it's really simply done,
46:54
but it's really effective, nice. Well, yeah.
46:59
There he goes. That's quite a nice star.
47:01
Feel this Flapjacks flying off into as look like a Star Trek.
47:04
Special effect. I think that's a big difference
47:05
from the Star Trek Voyager theme.
47:08
You know. Oh yeah.
47:10
Very long. Start over.
47:12
Wasting my god. Look, he has to get one more
47:14
sex, gagging, doesn't he in a minute?
47:16
Goes off that's a fabulous time with my captors, both of them
47:20
with a fabulous night. Like he's got no Escape pod.
47:27
Joe, what's he going to do? Stick out?
47:30
Because it was nice. It was in that two-parter.
47:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of carrying them, he
47:42
probably be well remembered as a one-off character, you know?
47:46
Yeah. I mean it wasn't until I was a
47:50
rather peculiar retrospective Counseling of them.
47:53
The stuff that was already always out in the open, its peak
47:56
was old, wasn't it? Yeah.
47:58
I don't want to say much in fear of being canceled.
48:03
I have an opinion, but you're uncomfortable.
48:08
Obviously, this is serious about time travel.
48:16
You have to send in with their dolls in a way in the Tardis.
48:19
It's it's very nice to have an uplifting ending like that.
48:22
Yeah. I mean I don't know about to me
48:24
this I was feeling this was trying to drag but I know a
48:27
little bit. I feel like this story ended two
48:29
minutes ago and I still got another two minutes to go like
48:33
they play in the lowland Doctor Who ends.
48:34
He's, he's saved. Everyone's lives to get to.
48:37
This actually goes. That's the end of the story.
48:40
It's not a sex. It's the show's over.
48:43
It's climaxed. Why are we still here?
48:45
We're taking my place now you are.
48:51
I feel like this is slocombe has made an appearance.
48:55
Although, to be fair, this whole our sequence is one long.
48:57
Sex gag, isn't it? Yes.
48:59
Yes. Oh, here's the short you talking
49:01
about. So the camera pans, soundlessly
49:06
with no dialogue. How he gets out of it.
49:08
It's funny. That stuff always love seeing
49:12
that I didn't exactly want to go with them though.
49:15
You know, when I was watching this, I didn't even think he was
49:18
going to be a companion. I'd forgotten that he stayed as
49:20
I demonstrated a few seconds. I mean, I only came back in Bad
49:24
Wolf. I can't remember if he was gone,
49:26
I can't have forgotten where this wasn't surfing at me.
49:28
I'm a rubbish fan. Also half-nelson It's Presley
49:33
movie put, somebody's arm behind their backs of the trapped and
49:36
can't get away. You've got them as a wrestling
49:39
gag like that. Yeah.
49:42
Well, it's a bit like a disco. Now, all the pulsing lights, I
49:49
can't believe. You'd let him saying it's bigger
49:50
on the inside. Get pass without comment.
49:57
It always is with me. Is this all a metaphor are they
50:03
actually shagging but because they got on show that it's just
50:06
characters down there Just Dance instead.
50:08
No, it's not. It's just Doctor Who having a
50:10
nice dancing exactly the way he probably danced with dodo, 40
50:14
years earlier. That's right.
50:16
It's it becomes more explicit, this sort of stuff, you know, in
50:19
about three or four seasons time.
50:23
Right now. We're still in the ambiguous
50:24
face. Yeah.
50:25
And it's been playing with it is quite fun but also I can't just
50:30
keep playing with it. It's quite fun.
50:31
Playing with our expectations. Oh, what structure of The Story
50:35
Goes Because it's funny it's one of
51:03
the funniest Doctor Who stories and its really well-acted and
51:07
it's unusual, it breaks your expectations but it still takes
51:11
you on a journey that feels like a Doctor Who episode.
51:13
It doesn't feel like it's not trying.
51:15
It does feel like it's trying to not be Doctor Who is just doing
51:18
something different but it's still distill Peppers it with
51:22
with the seasonings of a normal doctor, episode 2.
51:25
So if cleverly has its cake of being different and eats it, I
51:30
mean how do you just said it has a net bad landing it for a
51:33
however that as well. Yes, yes, but right because for
51:38
me I've got a thing with I just noticed that episodes that I do
51:42
or don't like and other people. I know will like her so that I
51:46
don't like or whatever is often the funny ones it.
51:49
So it's with a scary episode tends to scare everyone the same
51:53
amount or but a funny episode. It depends what tickles you and
51:58
different people, find different things.
52:00
Me more so than find things scary.
52:02
So I remember you saying, you weren't a massive fan of sort of
52:07
the Latter-Day growing Williams humor, but you do like so smart.
52:12
Yeah. Yeah, it has its moments but I
52:14
did that Williams era in general.
52:16
I don't like it because it's funny.
52:17
I'm sorry. I'm not the biggest fan of the
52:20
Williams era, but I know people who are, but that's because
52:25
it's, it doesn't all what? I don't always find it all that
52:27
funny. Well, not because not, I don't
52:29
think they'll Who shouldn't be funny?
52:31
I wonder. But yeah, that's yeah, that's
52:32
what I'm just going to do a quick fire quiz then to gauge
52:35
old Witch Doctor Who's you find funny or not.
52:37
Okay do you even say funny or not?
52:40
Yeah the Romans funny. The gunfighters very funny.
52:45
The mythmakers funny I think it's a menace occasionally
52:52
slightly funny. The time Monster.
52:55
Not funny city of death. Yes.
53:00
No. Yes.
53:07
Because you love it, you know, your podcast.
53:16
Jive Bunny, and the no do unicorn and the WASP?
53:21
Yes, hilarious. Closing time.
53:26
God, do robot of Sherwood, can't remember.
53:31
Oh, awesome. 55 hilarious, comedy, you know.
53:43
Yeah, yeah. I was yeah, I've just got two
53:47
stories, forgotten. The names of every Doctor Who
53:49
story. I'm good at doing that.
53:51
Hey, can I ask you to do something now for me, please.
53:53
What's that? Joe, you take, you know, much
53:56
concentration. And then it would you please
54:00
with me give three reasons as to why you would recommend the ends
54:06
child, in the doctor, dances start with you, then to make
54:09
them to you than to me, then to you than to me.
54:15
Brilliantly evocative setting. Is that your whole point, that's
54:23
one. Yeah.
54:24
Oh okay. Those three words.
54:26
But one point I believe really need to know but okay.
54:35
Alright, okay, so I thought you would I thought.
54:37
Yeah so yeah okay yeah it's pretty well painted.
54:40
It takes you to its version of 1941 and and completely fits and
54:48
proves a doctor who can do that and that this Doctor and that
54:51
Rose, this girl from 2000. And this teenager, from 2005 can
54:55
be can be there and can be meeting Nancy and that scene
54:57
with Nancy is so important. Yeah, I would say that this is
55:04
proof that to anybody, that I don't always low Steven Moffat.
55:10
I think at his absolute best, he can be one of the best writers
55:16
doctor you've ever had. But that's a matter of personal
55:21
taste because I know people that love this stuff later on as
55:23
well, but they don't. Listen.
55:26
Now you're 41 subscribed a long time ago.
55:28
Sorry, Joe. This is morphe before his
55:34
reputation here where he thought he might have had one.
55:37
Sure, Ryan Doctor Who so he's tried to write as good.
55:40
A doctor who has he ever could? And it is very assured and it's
55:45
brilliant back to you. It's it's scary.
55:53
And it's scary in a clever way that it because it's inventive.
56:02
So yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to say it very brief moment and
56:06
that is the resolution to the Cliffhanger, which we discussed
56:10
earlier, but is just very clever and very funny as well.
56:17
Yeah, it doesn't cheat and it's really simple.
56:20
Yeah. And it's the doctor thinking
56:22
outside the box when I think of something that the other
56:24
characters wouldn't have thought of the music, this is one of my,
56:31
one of my Everett Marigold scores, it does exactly what I
56:36
want the music to do. It carries me, underlined some
56:38
scenes. It leads to other scenes alone
56:41
and other scenes. It really highlights and takes
56:43
them to and gives you really good moments of climax.
56:49
Yes. Do you prefer a second?
56:52
I can I lose music. Yes.
56:54
Well, but it's there's horses because it's, I mean, yes, I do
56:58
in the sense that I probably wouldn't know if you stayed for
57:01
seven years, the right if you were still doing it after eight
57:03
years, I might not do. But yeah it was it was that was
57:07
a lot. I love his version of theme
57:09
music and yeah I love you. I really like it but it's a
57:12
change have been as good, it's changed me.
57:13
I don't think any I think anything in Doctor Who should
57:15
stay in the same style for more I'm 23 years, that's just doctor
57:20
who survived as long as it has, because it doesn't usually do
57:23
that because it reinvigorates and, and I mean, that
57:26
circulation of of creative people, all of them, giving it
57:31
maybe two, three years of their Peak or in their early, early
57:35
peaks of their careers is an amazing thing ever.
57:38
That's what it, I think it really needs that, that's not
57:40
just a bonus feature Marigold sort of had his stick and Almost
57:47
became a bit of a parody of how good it was earlier on in his
57:51
latest season, a sad moments. But I can hola came in a sort of
57:56
a bit more ambient and a bit more subtle and he developed a
58:01
style along with the series as a serious change.
58:04
It's only got a bit more bombastic in say the James Bond
58:09
parody, what's it called? Spy for?
58:10
Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah.
58:11
And then he was doing full-on cinematic in flock.
58:14
So I think I think there was a real he was Dying to be on
58:18
Murray gold, like very deliberately because they want
58:19
their wanted to have a fresh sound and that's his natural
58:22
thing and it was like he had to fake it, that's what he normally
58:24
does. But after a while it's a button
58:26
and like I know memorials got there, people were huge Marigold
58:29
fans and just love, can't wait for the next things come out and
58:32
let me go to the end with the man with the singer.
58:48
Gorgeous. Yeah well I my third thing
58:51
because I've gone on tangent is going to be did a little, a
58:55
little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little in
58:57
that I really like the very powerful domestic angle that's
59:03
hit in series one of the new series and I feel like the
59:09
climax of this story. Really, for me, it's nothing to
59:13
do with the plot mechanics, if the character of Nancy And her
59:17
realization and getting her son back at.
59:20
It's really beautifully done. Well, acted well, written, well
59:24
scored, as you say. And I remember the first time I
59:27
watched it, and I realized how I'd been duped, she was his
59:32
mother and that have been spell out to me for fucking 90
59:36
minutes. The I'm kind of like,
59:38
goosebumps, you know? Yeah, yeah.
59:40
In all the right ways. Yeah, it was fantastically good.
59:44
There was a book that I'd read a few years earlier, and Ville by
59:48
Kate Atkinson or what say its name because it was a spoiler.
59:52
But basically it has the same ending and so that I haven't, I
59:56
still wasn't been thinking it, I think so.
59:58
I think it had maybe crossed my mind, but I didn't think that
1:00:00
that was what was? I didn't think it was likely to
1:00:02
be that. Yeah, it's very good.
1:00:06
Well, Pete. Where are we heading next?
1:00:09
My friend. Well, after sex ed, where
1:00:13
everyone lives and where positivity wins the day.
1:00:17
Let's go to a planet of death, a planet for death planet of
1:00:22
inculcation of funerals. I can't believe you've been
1:00:26
doing this podcast or a million years.
1:00:27
And I've done 890 12d, Ken episodes of Doctor Who, and
1:00:31
nobody has done Revelations the Garlic's yet.
1:00:33
No one has asked do it. Well, I've become weak attach
1:00:37
information Silas, please Joe no real basic.
1:00:40
We chose to be one of my all-time favorite stories of all
1:00:42
time, like multiplies, top five for me of classic who easily
1:00:47
absolutely easily. Block off.
1:00:49
Fabulous stories to drop about the director.
1:00:51
That I've met. Obviously, a lot of the actors
1:00:54
that I've met Awesome. Well then I just need me to
1:00:59
thank you very much for your time as ever and I hope.
1:01:05
And I hope any appearances about having a joke about which
1:01:11
episodes I like, and don't like, and I hope, I haven't let anyone
1:01:16
through a lot with trashing their beloved episodes because
1:01:18
everyone likes different things. And that's what it's all about
1:01:20
enough trash in people's. She's okay.
1:01:26
The only Stone this thing, right?
1:01:27
That's true, the flight for entirety thing of saying that
1:01:30
you things are okay. When you think they're in pile
1:01:32
of dog shit. Fortunately, we both love
1:01:37
Revelation the darling. So which is going to be at that
1:01:39
is gonna be a blast, it's gonna be a little edit it.
1:01:41
You know what? It's going to be it's going to
1:01:42
be Exquisite plus. I'm going to do loads of tasm
1:01:46
Beaker impressions as well. Oh, blimey, you must have some
1:01:50
figure. I can be Elena bronze but I can
1:01:51
beam Cara good secretaries. So very hard to come by the
1:01:58
gray. Ala has ordered you dead fella.
1:02:03
Daddy. Dyer was that?
1:02:08
He's that he's like, Danny Dyer, not ever said that to me before.
1:02:15
I'm gonna cut it there. There's nobody as no.
1:02:20
Let's be honest. I'll sound like a Dalek.
1:02:22
Yeah, I had the thing that I say on recording, because know, if
1:02:27
it's true or not, but someone told me that when Jenny Thomas
1:02:29
in died, no one knew and she was just a her body was locked in
1:02:34
her flat. Four days with her cats.
1:02:37
Oh no, they didn't. Well no, but I just somebody
1:02:41
just sort of said it to me with sort of dot dot dot.
1:02:44
And was like, Let's not go. There.
1:02:46
We just bought The Upstairs Downstairs.
1:02:48
Box set. Fuck, I'm interested to see what
1:02:51
she's like in there. Yeah, always guided the watch
1:02:53
through when it was on talking pictures a few years ago and
1:02:56
really got into it. It's very briefly but it
1:02:59
attracts a lot and it really it's like it's superficially.
1:03:04
It's a bit like Downton Abbey, but it's just not at all because
1:03:07
the the script writing is so unpredictable and you'll get
1:03:13
stories where one song Who's been a good character all the
1:03:15
way through it suddenly turns into a complete bastard.
1:03:17
And but because they're rich and they can get away with
1:03:20
something. They do doesn't have super
1:03:22
somebody, a drink driving episode.
1:03:24
Where a the Posh girl kills somebody and just gets off
1:03:27
scot-free because she's partially dad brought to the
1:03:29
judge or something. All right.
1:03:32
That's later on. Yeah.
1:03:33
That's not a spoiler. Play this place.
1:03:34
Re-watching, secret army. And I'm what I've been that's
1:03:40
been on my radar for ages. I really want to watch that I've
1:03:43
been watching. The Dickens the classic cereals
1:03:47
that Dex Dex, that lets and dicks script editor and
1:03:52
producer. We watch the Pickwick papers
1:03:54
which was brilliant. And there was just, we just
1:03:57
watched the Oliver Twist that Terrance dicks produced.
1:04:00
Hey, it was excellent. Is the best version of Oliver
1:04:04
Twist. I've ever seen.
1:04:05
You go onto DVD. Yeah, it's like a Charles
1:04:07
Dickens collection. It's cool.
1:04:10
Yeah, fantastic give that watch my doing, yeah.
1:04:14
Yeah, thats a good shoutout. There's nothing there on brick
1:04:16
box early. No, go ahead.
1:04:18
Look because there's a couple of them that are missing from the
1:04:20
set by individually. Just annoying, right?
1:04:27
Thank you. That I'm looking pretty,
1:04:35
fresh-faced, I think for a long cold day, like that, actually.
1:04:38
You look at you looking really good understand that you mind
1:04:40
looking really good really sharp and, and well done on Taking
1:04:44
that decision about your work. I'm sure it's going to going to
1:04:47
leave you in a happy place. So what up?
1:04:52
Let's talk and we'll get another date.
1:04:54
Put in for relations. I'm sure.
1:05:46
Sorry when that phrase. Doesn't know why they lift that
1:05:49
up. Hello.
1:05:51
Jill prevailed, a new costume. Do you got a hoodie on?
1:05:58
I'm just wearing this time. I thought you were in a gray
1:06:01
t-shirt and I haven't read the entire time.
1:06:04
It looks, it looks green. Now I did notice that time and I
1:06:12
had a coffee but not An entire change.
1:06:20
So, so rough, I tried back. When we nearly recorded this
1:06:24
previously, I recorded myself. Some voice notes and I think I
1:06:27
must have been. I think it was been driving and
1:06:30
just put it on to record now come in driving what I've been
1:06:32
doing well, but I've been what I'll be recording voice notes.
1:06:35
I was told you my room or something because I'd only don't
1:06:39
often do this at all. And here's why.
1:06:41
Because it's like, I put it onto.
1:06:44
What's that? Sorry I should speak to any I
1:06:46
mean voice. To text, my phone can do
1:06:50
automatic voice to text note taking.
1:06:52
So you've got yourself a written note, whatever you say into it,
1:06:54
as all phones count. But mine isn't very good and
1:06:57
it's reading it and it says on there Will watching this after
1:07:06
lockdowns, feel different. Oh yeah, Blitz spirit and
1:07:09
everything that we experienced our own, our generation splits
1:07:12
question for Joe. What classic doctor is this as I
1:07:16
just asked you first John Smith since the time Warrior.
1:07:21
And then I say, enter, enter, hello new fucking territory
1:07:26
laughs. And then I say, enter enter
1:07:31
zero, stop your fucking mechanoid.
1:07:34
Now, working mechanoids up. I think that I gave up that's
1:07:38
the entirety of the verbal note-taking that I did and then
1:07:41
I'll put an obvious having very profound thoughts about this
1:07:45
story. I'm just scrolling through do
1:07:53
things. Things to talk about the not
1:07:54
mentioned yet Moffat dialogue. Well, we have talked about that
1:07:57
really having Williams quite good in this.
1:07:59
Not enough though. Not enough.
1:08:01
Why is it tolerable here? Yeah, good idea.
1:08:04
Why are you testing this is? Yeah.
1:08:08
What? Because I just looked at up
1:08:11
while we were talking but I think I remember us.
1:08:17
Russell say to Davis saying in an interview somewhere that when
1:08:20
you got them off, at script coming in, you know that nobody
1:08:22
needs to do anything to it. So, I don't think anybody dad.
1:08:26
Would you what? That's a writing this down.
1:08:29
Instead of saying to me now. Had you watched other had you
1:08:33
watched over by other Moffat stuff for us, because I hadn't,
1:08:36
I just never seen press gang, but have seen it now or some of
1:08:42
it. I hadn't seen it then know I'd
1:08:44
seen coupling Meaning I have, yeah, intolerable friends was
1:08:51
bad enough. The British friends, as written
1:08:54
by Steven Moffat and they all really Smoky.
1:08:57
It was very well structured. It was a brilliantly structured,
1:09:00
but it was so smart. Yeah.
1:09:03
Rendus another characters were likable, not one of them, and
1:09:08
two of them written to be fucking idiots at.
1:09:10
So, all the jokes were at their expense all the time.
1:09:13
Okay. Yeah.
1:09:14
It was utterly sex. Mad, no there.
1:09:16
To, it was like smile, a bloke and a girl.
1:09:21
They were just fucking imbeciles.
1:09:22
It was really annoying show. MASH, it's a delight in the
1:09:26
episode on my dad. I've got a problem with that.
1:09:29
Okay, okay, okay, come on, let's do it.
1:09:33
I'm on a roll. We should I answer this one.
1:09:38
Yes, please! Okay, look at me.
1:09:41
Sorry, I'm just tired of just writing out of course for things
1:09:43
to discuss with them, although it's as well as always.
1:09:46
Where do these with you? I think if I write things down
1:09:48
and then we just talk, so definitely the you don't need
1:09:51
much as you need to read your notes, you should.
1:09:54
And, you know, I always thing. I asked was, do we like actually
1:09:57
say anything? And I listen back.
1:09:58
Alright, wow, it's a lot every time I'll go.
1:10:01
Wow, it actually that. And it's like you say, it's very
1:10:04
rarely about the fucking story. You're talking about.
1:10:07
It's often of That other stuff. Yeah, yeah it's provokes
1:10:11
conversation come in then Does your turn?
1:10:17
Yeah, Count Me In. Three two, one.
1:10:21
Three two. One go are.
1:10:22
You booklets? Are you recording?
1:10:24
Is this still the same recording?
1:10:26
Yeah.