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MLB starting rotation rankings debate, Commish likes A’s > Rays · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I think the Pirates need to be in the top ten.
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  Speaker 1: That's where like you have Hall schemes on your team.
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  Speaker 2: Let's rip through this article from our own Jim Bowden,
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  Speaker 2: who also writes for The Athletic of Course, among other gigs.
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  Speaker 2: He's ranking all thirty opening day rotations. I'll give you
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  Speaker 2: the one through five, and then if you want to
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  Speaker 2: go deeper in the list and pick anything out, go
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  Speaker 2: for it. Dodgers one, Phillies two, Mariners, three, Diamondbacks four,
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  Speaker 2: Braves five, anyone with opening thoughts here?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I have one.
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  Speaker 4: Mariners should be higher.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So give me your top three or five.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you my top three right now. I would
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  Speaker 4: I would go Dodgers for sure. I would go Mariner's
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  Speaker 4: number two, and then I would say Diamondbacks number three. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: Phillies right in between there, four and five. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm painters and the minors Tyan Walker's okay, But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's what I would switch down right there.
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  Speaker 3: Trats, do you take offense to that or you're okay
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  Speaker 3: with it?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm fine with that. I think the Mariners should
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  Speaker 1: be far and above everybody else because they've done it.
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  Speaker 1: The Dodgers' rotation is Nobody's more deep, nobody's nobody has
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  Speaker 1: you know, the star power of that rotation. The stealing
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  Speaker 1: of that rotation is ridiculous. What the Mariners did this year,
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  Speaker 1: this list has them three. George Kirby's not even on it.
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  Speaker 1: I get its opening day, but George Kirby's not even
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  Speaker 1: on it. And you have you know you're missing, You're
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  Speaker 1: missing Ranger Swarth for the Phillies. To me, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think the Phillies are better than the Mariners, so you
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  Speaker 1: have to put the Mariners above the Phillies for.
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  Speaker 3: Rotations, Yes, for rotation, Okay, mister Pitcher.
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  Speaker 5: It's just odd that the Dodgers have ten people on
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  Speaker 5: this list.
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  Speaker 3: I graty just mentioned death. I mean that's insane, man like.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a couple of these guys need to blow
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  Speaker 5: like Sasaki gets his first year in the big leagues
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  Speaker 5: here whenever show Hay decides to come back if they
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  Speaker 5: need a break. They still got like four extra guys
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  Speaker 5: in the minor leagues that are ready to pitch right
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  Speaker 5: now in a rotation.
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  Speaker 3: So that's sick missing a name too.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Tony Gonsolin is going to come back
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  Speaker 2: at some point, probably not too far away, maybe a
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  Speaker 2: month or so.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, okay, Levin, we'll just say there's probably more. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure there's more. But I do actually like the
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  Speaker 5: Royals to be a little bit higher. I love Cole Reagan,
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  Speaker 5: Seth Lugo, Michael Waka, and then even Michael Lorenzen as
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  Speaker 5: their number five guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to give you innings.
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  Speaker 5: He'll take a beating if he needs to take a beating,
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  Speaker 5: but he's gonna save the bullpen and he's gonna just
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  Speaker 5: flip that rotation around. So I would say that they're
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  Speaker 5: probably up there at number five maybe and just bump
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  Speaker 5: Braves and Tigers down one.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I think the Pirates should be in the top ten.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Rays should be out of the top ten.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Astro should at least be ahead of
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  Speaker 1: the Rays. I think that Astro's rotation fran Er Valdez,
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  Speaker 1: while it was inconsistency, Hunter Brown showed he figured it
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  Speaker 1: out last year. Spencer Arraghetty really showed he figured it out.
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  Speaker 1: And Ronel Blanco nobody knew about him before last year
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  Speaker 1: and he threw a no no. So I think Hayden
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  Speaker 1: with Neski is going to be a huge piece of
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  Speaker 1: that trade. I get it. Cam Smith is going to be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the marquee guy if he turns out to be.
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  Speaker 1: I think Scott picked him to be the rookie of
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  Speaker 1: the year. What a what a high what a what
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  Speaker 1: a frontliner?
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  Speaker 3: Would both of us?
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  Speaker 2: We Yeah, So if you're gonna make fun of me,
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  Speaker 2: then you have to make by Priant Danny Graves too.
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  Speaker 5: You can make fun of me Kratzy. It won't be
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  Speaker 5: the first time somebody has.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, anyway, so what do we think the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: were accurately placed here?
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  Speaker 1: Again, it's a potential lineup. I think Reese Olsen is
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  Speaker 1: very underrated. I think Reese Olsen's win lost percent last year.
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  Speaker 1: Throughout the first half of the year. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they just would lose his starts and
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  Speaker 1: he had like he had below a three e er
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  Speaker 1: for a good chunk of the season and they just
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  Speaker 1: kept losing his starts. He was he was at one
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  Speaker 1: at snake bit So I like it. Chris Bubick and
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  Speaker 1: Michael Lorenzen at the back end solid. Anytime you have
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  Speaker 1: a cy Young Award winner in your top. In your
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  Speaker 1: as the top, you're gonna get some more. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get some more love. Flaharty figured it out last year
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  Speaker 1: with the Tigers, so you know he's gonna do well.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson job, you sit there and you go, sorry, I
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  Speaker 1: jumped around teams. That was my bad. I jumped on
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  Speaker 1: teams a little bit. But I think the Pirates need
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  Speaker 1: to be in the top ten. That's where like you
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  Speaker 1: have Paul Schemes on your team, you have you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about teams that have like guys in the back in
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  Speaker 1: the back burner, like in the my in leagues. Bubba
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  Speaker 1: Chandler is the real deal. Oh man, I'm completely forgetting
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  Speaker 1: who we watched the other the other day when we
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  Speaker 1: were having Bubba Chandler's buddy on, is it Harrington? Harrington's
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  Speaker 1: in the minor leagues. Jared Jones is going to be
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  Speaker 1: coming back from the I L Mitch Keller o vi Aedo.
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  Speaker 1: We saw Oviedo. He looked like a transformer. He's like
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  Speaker 1: six seven or six'. Eight to, ME i think that
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  Speaker 1: pitching staff is a top ten starting.
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  Speaker 4: Rotation And i'll end it with this unless you want
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  Speaker 4: to talk to me about. It but with The. Tigers
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  Speaker 4: it's gonna be different once a. Playoff they get close
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  Speaker 4: to the, playoffs A. J hinter is going to mix a,
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  Speaker 4: match he's gonna throw, Over he's gonna put a reliever
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  Speaker 4: to start. Games BUT i, know you, know you, KNOW i,
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  Speaker 4: know you, know he's gonna have something up. Asleep SO
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  Speaker 4: i would.
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  Speaker 3: Move them down a little bit or move them up. Higher,
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  Speaker 3: YEAH i think it's a really good.
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  Speaker 2: ROTATION i, Mean Derek, scoogle if you don't think he's
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  Speaker 2: the best starter in, baseball he's at least the top,
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  Speaker 2: three but he was the best pitcher in baseball last.
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  Speaker 2: YEAR i Think fiery's gonna have another great year for.
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  Speaker 2: Them Reees olsen is really sneaky. Good if here's the question,
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  Speaker 2: mark and this is HOW i could potentially put it
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  Speaker 2: in the top five for, ME i could jump them
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  Speaker 2: Over atlanta for. Sure If Casey mize is The Casey
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  Speaker 2: mice we saw just now in spring, training which was completely,
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  Speaker 2: Different i'm on. Board And Jackson joe might Win rookie
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  Speaker 2: of The. Year so if they let him eat, right
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  Speaker 2: if they give him one hundred forty plus, innings they
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  Speaker 2: might have to give him a break around The All
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  Speaker 2: star break and extended. Break then that could be a
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  Speaker 2: top five. Rotation, Okay now let's dip a little bit
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  Speaker 2: lower on the. List AND i feel LIKE i have
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  Speaker 2: a very testy relationship right now with The. Orioles face
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  Speaker 2: connect before you go.
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  Speaker 3: On WHAT i? KNOW i know one team you're gonna move,
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  Speaker 3: Up Pier, okay And i'm gotta call it.
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  Speaker 4: First get, Well i'm Gonna i'm gonna show him AND
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  Speaker 4: i want to see if you say. It, okay go, Ahead,
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  Speaker 4: SORRY i don't mean to interrupt.
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  Speaker 3: You you show him and Then i'll say.
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  Speaker 4: It.
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  Speaker 2: Ready, yeah The Blue jays are, fourteen The cubs are twenty.
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  Speaker 3: One he's out of the top ten, Though, yeah, Alright i'm. Deep.
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  Speaker 4: YEAH i thought you were gonna move the The royals
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  Speaker 4: up high because.
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  Speaker 3: Royal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, NO i like the, WELL i like The tigers
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  Speaker 2: and The royals this. Year, Yes but for Me, KRATZ
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  Speaker 2: i know we're picking on.
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  Speaker 3: HIM i love the. Offense they had a great day.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday But Zach, Eflin Charlie moore And Dean, Kramer chicano
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  Speaker 2: and Cade povich or show to Am, Naga Justin, Steele
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  Speaker 2: jamison Ty, On Matthew, Boyd Ben, brown which starting five
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  Speaker 2: do you?
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  Speaker 1: Want this is WHAT i was talking To steve about
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  Speaker 1: easily The cubs starting. Rotation this is a this is
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  Speaker 1: the word like they. HAVE i think they have a great.
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  Speaker 1: BULLPEN i think The orioles have a great bullpen and
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  Speaker 1: The cubs have a lot of stuff has to go
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  Speaker 1: right for that. Bullpen to, Me i'm taking The cubs
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  Speaker 1: rotation every. DAY i think The cubs should. Be they're
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  Speaker 1: outside of top. TEN i think below The pirates.
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  Speaker 2: Somewhere so, yeah The Blue days were fourteen or, sorry
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  Speaker 2: The orioles were, fourteen The Blue jays were.
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  Speaker 3: Fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Yep then if you get into the, twenties The mets were,
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  Speaker 2: twenty The cubs were twenty.
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  Speaker 3: First i'm, like, no The cubs should not be twenty. FIRST.
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  Speaker 3: JB i don't. KNOW i THINK i think he's. Right,
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  Speaker 3: Really i'm looking should be.
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  Speaker 1: Lower The mets opening day starting rotation should be. Lower.
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  Speaker 3: Lower where do you want?
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  Speaker 1: That definitely not above The. CUBS i, mean look at
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  Speaker 1: a giant starting. Rotation maybe Maybe i'm getting enamored by
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  Speaker 1: The Verlander Robbie ray type of. Things but you sit
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  Speaker 1: there and you go you Got Logan web is a
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  Speaker 1: top five pitcher every single. Year they only gave up
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  Speaker 1: two runs.
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  Speaker 4: YESTERDAY i, mean it seemed like it was gonna or
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  Speaker 4: three run excuse, me it seemed like it was gonna
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  Speaker 4: be a lot.
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  Speaker 3: More but that's where he. Lives two three run running
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  Speaker 3: all the.
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  Speaker 1: Time what he, does dut dudes get two singles and
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  Speaker 1: he gets a, groundball don't, play punches out the last
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  Speaker 1: guy see.
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  Speaker 3: Us that's an exact play that happened. Yesterday, YEAH i
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  Speaker 3: mean that's exactly what.
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  Speaker 5: Happened if pitching coach came out and talked to him,
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  Speaker 5: First pitchy threw double play in the.
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  Speaker 3: Inning he's really. Good, yeah he's really, solid.
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  Speaker 2: Consistent, yeah but it's just it's not a sexy name
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  Speaker 2: because he doesn't strike out the. World, no he gets credit.
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  Speaker 2: Though he gets high up On Cy Young award. List,
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  Speaker 2: YEAH i, mean obviously he hasn't won, it but he's
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  Speaker 2: he's gotten top five probably at least, TWICE i want to,
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  Speaker 2: say in his career.
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  Speaker 6: At.
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  Speaker 3: Least, yeah he's really. Good he's been worth the money for.
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  Speaker 2: Them what about The, Twins Pablo, Lopez, Joe Ryan bailey
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  Speaker 2: Over Chris, Paddock Simeon, Woods, Richardson they have them at.
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  Speaker 3: Sixteen you want that or you want The.
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  Speaker 6: CUBS i think the yeah right around different different, different look, different.
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  Speaker 5: Look, yeah but why can't The twins name they're number
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  Speaker 5: two and three?
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  Speaker 3: Starters well they have, now they have. Now, yeah, YEAH
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  Speaker 3: i know. That we didn't see it for a.
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  Speaker 2: While they were they were playing a little playoff foots
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  Speaker 2: you with a, yeah we're not going to tell you,
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  Speaker 2: much at least for a little.
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  Speaker 3: Bit but they laid it.
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  Speaker 2: OUT i think now the end of the, list by the,
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  Speaker 2: way to finish, THIS i, MEAN i don't think there's
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  Speaker 2: much debate. Here you, went they, went he, Went Marlon's,
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals A's, Rockies, Nationals, Angels White. Sox you can flip
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  Speaker 2: a coin with A i'm, Good i'm good. There marlin
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  Speaker 2: should be a little ahead because of Al. Contra, Yeah
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  Speaker 2: i'm fine with.
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  Speaker 1: That Kensey gore did it yesterday in The. Shadows The
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  Speaker 1: shadows were there and the boys were swinging and. MISSING
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  Speaker 1: i THINK i think The phillies ended up with like
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  Speaker 1: nineteen or twenty punches on the. Day The nationals ended
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  Speaker 1: up at fifteen or. Sixteen don't don't bet against The, Shadows, Boys.
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  Speaker 1: Boys mall was blinking up there LIKE i can't see.
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  Speaker 2: It thirteen Kybe Kenzi gorey.
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  Speaker 3: Yesterday good for.
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  Speaker 2: Him all, right one more note and then we are
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about The Mets astros game from yesterday
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  Speaker 2: With Desha. Toozar But Rob manfred has been doing his
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  Speaker 2: old tour and he did address the raised ballpark. Situation he, said,
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  Speaker 2: QUOTE i think the most important point now is that
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  Speaker 2: The rays and Mister, sternberg who's the, owner have to
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  Speaker 2: come up with a go forward plan what it is
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  Speaker 2: they intend to. DO i don't think it's realistic to
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  Speaker 2: play indefinitely in a Repaired tropicana, field but they've got
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  Speaker 2: to tell the other, clubs AND i think they've got
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  Speaker 2: to tell their fan base that they have a plan
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  Speaker 2: for making it work In Tampa.
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  Speaker 3: Bay look at his quotes there versus the other.
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  Speaker 2: Team they always get compared, to which is The A's
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  Speaker 2: and you can see how the league and How manfred
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  Speaker 2: has picked his friends and his frenemies because he won't
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  Speaker 2: say a thing wrong About John.
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  Speaker 3: Fish or The Oakland a's.
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  Speaker 2: Owner and now The sacramento a is and eventually maybe
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  Speaker 2: The vegas says On. Earth but he that's about as
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  Speaker 2: out there as he gets crats with saying it with
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  Speaker 2: his chest to go after.
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  Speaker 3: THEM i just feel like maybe they're not best as. Friends.
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  Speaker 1: YEAH i don't know Who's stu pissed off if he
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: peed in somebody's. Cornflakes But John Fisher's John. Fisher he
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  Speaker 1: might be a. Narc he might be, like, hey he
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  Speaker 1: might be. Snitching be, like, hey, guys check With Stu
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  Speaker 1: stereurnberg's doing down In. Tampa go get them, guys sick.
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  Speaker 1: Them and everyone's, like, YEAH i get, them, raise we
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  Speaker 1: gotta tell you what to. Do and the whole Time
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  Speaker 1: John fisher's back here like nobody sees. Me i've been
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  Speaker 1: doing this for twenty. Years we don't even have a
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  Speaker 1: rendering of a new stadium In Las. Vegas this is
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  Speaker 1: the best.
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  Speaker 2: True so to be continued on that. ONE i just
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  Speaker 2: thought it was surprising that he went there because he
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  Speaker 2: works for. That, yeah so usually he is pretty under
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  Speaker 2: control when he's talking about his.
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  Speaker 4: Bosses, YEAH i guess sometimes you, gotta you, know go
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  Speaker 4: straight forward with. SOMETHING i, mean we haven't heard. Much
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  Speaker 4: we've heard a lot About oakland and what they're. Doing
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  Speaker 4: haven't really heard much lately about. Them, YEAH i don't
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  Speaker 4: think he's he's putting pressure on him a little, bit
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  Speaker 4: AND i don't see a problem with, that but you,
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  Speaker 4: KNOW i don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know.
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  Speaker 2: SO i mean that's what the story, was where they're
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  Speaker 2: going to try and punish them with revenue sharing money
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  Speaker 2: at some. Point it's just weird to me that you
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  Speaker 2: have one case and another case that have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of similarity is being, created like the ugly, stepchild and
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  Speaker 2: the other one is the actual ugly stepchild that is
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  Speaker 2: just getting to go to the be the bello of the.
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  Speaker 1: Ball, yeah he's speaking for the majority, here especially when
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  Speaker 1: he says they've got to tell the other clubs talking
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  Speaker 1: About Stu, sternberg and The rays have to tell the other,
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  Speaker 1: clubs and they throw in there AND i think they've
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  Speaker 1: got to tell their fan. Base, no it should be
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  Speaker 1: they need to tell the fans what's going. On the
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  Speaker 1: other clubs need to Keep Sus sternberg. Accountable so there's
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  Speaker 1: definitely some dissension in the. Ranks.
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  Speaker 3: Mmmmmm but don't. Worry they always vote thirty to zero on.
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  Speaker 3: EVERYTHING i don't know how that.
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  Speaker 1: Happens this one might be twenty nine to, one just saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah now it's it's it's always the. Same this is a.
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  Speaker 2: Fact they do the vote and then they do a
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  Speaker 2: quote revote so that it's always thirty to.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing show that's. True show the. True let's show a
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  Speaker 3: fake strength