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Trump’s DOJ continues Biden-era prosecution of prominent COVID-era Maryland physician · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott.
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  Out of all the fraud and abuse that I've seen over the last five or six years, I think the one that bothers me the most is what happened during COVID.
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  You had 500 billion to one trillion dollars in fraud.
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  Most of it was through unemployment fraud, PPP.
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  But these people were getting away with stealing billions of dollars.
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  The Department of Justice has tried, and they have uh successfully brought back some of that money, but not much.
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  And we're never going to see it all back.
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  It's impossible.
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  We see that this week, uh Sheila Sherfilis McCormick, a congresswoman from the state of Florida.
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  She resigned for allegedly stealing 5.6 million dollars.
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  But it wasn't just Democrats.
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  There was also George Santos, the Republican that got expelled from Congress.
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  And he did the same thing.
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  Not 5.6 million, but he stayed on unemployment, even though he was continuing to work all through COVID.
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  He got unemployment benefits.
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  I saw one last week.
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  It was a former pastor in Jacksonville, Florida.
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  He stole $50,000 in an unemployment.
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  And that really bothered me during that time.
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  And it still does really.
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  It really does.
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  I have a story for you here.
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  It comes uh from the state of Maryland, and this happened during COVID as well.
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  But this is not PPP and unemployment.
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  Back then, you know, we had all the testing sites and things like that.
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  Well, I'm going to get into the story here for you tonight.
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  We're going to dig deep into it.
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  I'm Booker.
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  This is the truth be told.
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  As we start this hour, I'm just going to read directly from the Department of Justice media release.
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  Here's what they said.
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  A federal jury in Baltimore convicted a Maryland doctor for submitting over 15 million dollars in false and fraudulent claims to Medicare and a commercial insurer for patients who received COVID-19 tests at his testing sites.
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  According to court documents and evidence presented at trial, Dr.
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  Ron Elfenbein of Maryland was an owner and the medical director of Doctor's Urgent Care.
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  And this was in Anorundo County and Prince George County in Maryland.
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  I'll continue reading directly from this.
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  They say that in addition to billing for COVID 19, he instructed the employees of Doctor's Urgent Care that in addition to billing COVID-19 tests, the employees were to bill for high level evaluation and management visits.
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  In reality, these visits were not provided to patients as presented.
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  Rather, Elfenbein instructed his employees that the patients were there for one reason only to be tested.
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  That was it.
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  Simple and straightforward.
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  And the providers were not there to solve complex medical issues.
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  Elfenbein ordered these high-level visits to be billed for all patients, including those who were asymptomatic, who were getting tested for COVID 19 for their employment requirements, and who were being tested for COVID 19 so that they could travel.
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  Remember those days?
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  Well, Elfenbein through Doctor's Urgent Care caused the submission of millions of dollars in claims to Medicare and a commercial insurer for tens of thousands of dollars.
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  The interesting part of this story, and the reason why I want to bring it to you tonight, is that the judge who was appointed by Barack Obama, he wrote a 93-page acquittal overruling the jury.
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  And that doesn't happen.
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  To have a judge come back on the jury and say, I don't accept that.
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  And you make the decision.
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  What do you think?
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  The government is still going to try him, they say after the acquittal, the government appealed, and the appellate court said, well, you can try him again, but they didn't really have a problem with what the judge did in acquitting him.
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  That's allowed.
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  It just never happens.
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  But it happened in this case.
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  It's a fascinating story.
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  And it's one I want to bring you tonight.
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  And we're going to do that right now.
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  We're going to welcome to the program Dr.
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  Ron Elfenbein.
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  Dr.
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  Elfenbein, welcome to the program.
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  Great to have you.
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  Thank you so much, Booker.
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  It's a pleasure to be here.
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  Thank you.
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  And let's talk about where that starts.
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  Because with you as an emergency room doctor, I believe it starts when you got into the urgent care business.
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  And maybe it starts a little bit before that, or a little bit after that.
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  I guess it started in about 2019 when you saw the videos from China.
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  But let's start at the very beginning when you got into the urgent care business.
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  Okay, well, going a little bit farther back.
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  So just a little bit about me.
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  Um, I grew up in New York.
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  I trained at Johns Hopkins for emergency medicine.
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  And um, I moved to Maryland to do my training at Hopkins, and I met my wife there.
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  Um, and she's also a physician, and we decided to stay.
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  So um while I was a resident, I was very active with the Secret Service.
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  I did a lot of work with the United States Secret Service.
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  I did some work with NASA, and I did um I volunteered on the Navajo Indian Reservation, and I volunteered a month at the Johnson Space Center, doing some pretty uh work on managing airway um emergencies in space, which was incredible.
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  Um, and then in 2006, so I you know, lived in Maryland after I finished my residency in 03, and I um I, as you said, opened up an urgent care center in 2016.
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  And I was the medical director of it.
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  I didn't actually work there, but I was the medical director, and I hired nurse practitioners and PAs to work there.
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  And I just, you know, made sure everything was going smoothly and well and set the policies and things like that, but um, I didn't actually see patients.
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  So then in 2019, you also let me interrupt real quick because you also weren't the money behind it either, were you?
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  Not solely.
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  You had some backers in those urgent cares.
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  Well, it was one urgent care, and I had two partners, and um they they were they were the non they were non-physics or they are non-physicians.
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  Um, I was the only doctor, and they were the they were the business side.
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  I was the medical side, they were the business side.
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  A lot of those urgent cares are set up that way, and maybe people don't know that, but you have a doctor who is the medical director that they need, and then nurse practitioners and PAs, physician assistants, they're the ones that actually are seeing us when we go into an urgent care.
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  Have a doctor who is the medical director that they need, and then nurse practitioners and PAs, physician assistants, they're the ones that actually are seeing us when we go into an urgent care.
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  But you also have the money behind the business, and that's the way yours was set up when you started with one uh one location.
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  But you also have the money behind the business, and that's the way yours was set up when you started with one uh one location.
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  Correct.
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  Correct.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  And and you know, they they it wasn't just just the money.
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  And and you know, they it wasn't just just the money.
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  I mean, you know, we were equal partners with that regard, but they they did provide um a substantial amount of the money.
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  I mean, you know, we were equal partners with that regard, but they they did provide um a substantial amount of the money, but but it was also their job to run the
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  But but it was also their job to run the business side.
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  So they made a very distinct line uh in our business plan down the middle where anything medical would be my purview, and anything non-medical was their purview.
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  And I we didn't, we'd really tried to stay out of each other's lanes.
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  Yeah, uh, that was our famous quote.
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  Stay in your lane, stay in your lane.
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  Yeah, they're paying the bills, is what they're doing.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  So to your point, you know, I I started to watch the news in 2019, and um, you know, I had grown my family by then.
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  By the way, we had four children, and I um I started to watch the news, and I could see what was happening in China.
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  And despite what our government was telling us, you know, don't worry about it, it's not coming here, everything's fine.
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  I could see with my own two eyes what was happening.
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  And I said, there's no possible way.
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  You're talking about COVID, and those are the videos that we all watched if we're on social media.
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  Not many of them made their way to the mainstream media, but we're talking about the videos that showed people being welded into their apartments that happened, fumigating subways, and it really looked terrible.
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  And of course, I've always said that the only thing that gets out of China that the CCP will allow it are things that they wanted to.
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  So you can read into that what you want to, but but that's what you're watching.
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  You're watching the same videos that I am, and probably a lot of people that are listening to this.
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  You're seeing those videos in 2019, which was the fall of 2019, is about when all of that started.
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  We were watching that here in America, and we thought it was crazy, but you had a little bit of a different thought there, didn't you?
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  Yeah, I I mean, I to your point.
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  I mean, there were videos I remember clearly of literal like tanks, actual military tanks in the streets with their turrets pointed into the city to keep people in their homes and in the city.
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  And I was like, there's no way that this thing is contained.
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  So um I started to purchase PPE personal protective equipment, and I started to purchase testing supplies, and everybody thought, including my wife thought I was insane.
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  They're like, What are you doing?
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  Why are you wasting your time?
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  And none of this stuff was easy to get, by the way.
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  So I would spend hours and hours and hours on the phone trying to get as you know, whatever I could get my hands on because when were you doing that?
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  What part was that 2005?
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  2019.
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  Okay.
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  And yeah, and then that continued, by the way, throughout the entirety of the pandemic.
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  Getting supplies was one of the most difficult things.
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  And I I spent hours every single day, gloves, gowns, masks, booties, uh, testing supplies, um, uh you name it, you you know, disinfectant, uh, hand sanitizer, whatever it was.
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  It was hours every day trying to find this stuff.
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  And once you found a supplier, it was like, you know, at one point we couldn't get gloves.
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  We actually arranged to get a shipment, an entire palette of gloves from somewhere in China.
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  We found a place that had them, and we bought hundreds of thousands of gloves because we just could not get them, and we literally had an entire pallet, like I don't know, 50,000, 100,000 pairs of gloves, something ridiculous shipped over to us because that's all we could find.
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  So you started the process in 2019 in the fall of 2019.
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  And the pandemic really starts in March of 2020.
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  2020.
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  Yeah, and that's about when things shut down here in America.
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  By the time that happened, how much had you stockpiled at that time of PPE and all of this other equipment?
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  Um, I honestly don't remember, but I know our store are where like our storehouses, you know, were full, and we actually had to go and get a um another way.
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  Right down the street from the urgent care is a storage facility, like an off-site storage place.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  And we rented we rented a storage unit um there, and we would use we would use that as our storage.
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  And and you know, once this all hit, I I realized I had this this commodity that people needed, and I started to give it away.
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  I was thinking about it.
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  I didn't charge anybody for it.
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  I was giving away mountains of PPE to nursing homes to other doctors.
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  I had a friend of mine in New York who's a cardiologist, and he got drafted, so to speak, to work in the ICU at Columbia Presbyterian in Manhattan.
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  I remember that.
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  And he he he called me and he's like, I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
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  How do I not die from COVID?
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  So I went through, you know, what to do and for hours on the phone with him, and then he told me he's like, We are wearing hefty bags.
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  Oh wow, literally garbage bags for our gowns.
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  And I said, Todd, his name is Todd.
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  I will send you a package tomorrow to share with everybody.
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  And at my own expense, I put together an enormous box of gowns, of gloves, of masks, and I had a friend of mine who had a 3D printer, and he and I worked together and we developed um uh 3D the 3D printing capability to make face shields.
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  We printed thousands of those things, and I shipped them throughout the country to everybody who wanted something, I was giving it away.
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  Um so because of this, though, we were able to oh I oh, and and one more one more group came to me.
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  The DEA, the drug enforcement administration.
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  They called me one day, the the special agent in charge of the this local branch in Annapolis, Maryland.
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  He called me up and he said, I got your name from somebody.
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  Um, we need to do a big drug bust that we've been unable to do because we cannot get PPE.
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  Can you help us?
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  And I said, What do you need?
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  And he told me he needed uh what I think it was 24 gowns and 24 uh N95 masks, which were impossible to get, by the way, at that time, yeah, and 24 face shields.
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  And I said, You got it.
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  Come over tonight and I'll give it to you.
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  And he came over and I gave it to what he needed.
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  He texted me a picture of the next day of them executing their drug bust, and um, which they would not have been able to do without what I did for them.
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  Yeah, and he told me that he said we would not have been able to do this.
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  Thank you very much.
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  Um so you know, because we had all these supplies, we sort of became the de facto testing center, and also we were the first in the county and probably in the state and possibly even in the country to come up with the whole drive up testing.
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  Um we were featured on I know that because we were featured on the front page of the newspapers locally because wow, they have this innovative idea to have patients stay in their cars so that the the nurse the the PAs and the nurse practitioners can see everybody virtually.
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  So we had our PAs and nurse practitioners inside the building, that way they wouldn't be exposed.
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  We had the patients drive up and get seen by the the um medical assistants the drive spots or yeah, we we remember those, and you were one of the first in the country, if not the very first to start that process.
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  Were you also stockpiling a test back in 2019 and 2020?
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  I thought you were so we were stockpiling whatever we could get our hands on.
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  So we were stockpiling whatever we could get our hands on.
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  So there were no rapid tests at that point.
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  So there were no rapid tests at that point.
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  Um and it's stockpiling is not a good word because it has sort of a bad connotation.
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  Um, and it's stockpiling is not a good word because it has sort of a bad connotation.
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  Yeah, I guess it does.
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  Yeah, I guess it is.
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  It was my word, not yours.
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  It was my word, not yours.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, fair enough.
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  Fair enough.
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  Um, but you know, we were trying to get a hold of what we needed, okay?
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  Um, but you know, we were trying to get a hold of what we needed, okay.
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  And there were no rapid tests initially, it was just PCR tests.
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  And there were no rapid tests initially, it was just PCR tests.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, so but the PCR kits hadn't come out yet.
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  So, but the PCR kits hadn't come out yet.
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  So we were getting what we could to help put them together ourselves.
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  So we were getting what we could to help put them together ourselves, PCR tests.
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  PCR tests, you know, you get the swab and you'd get the viral culture medium, and then we would we would put them together ourselves.
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  And then once the kids came out, we started to get those.
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  And it was a constant game of catch up to see, you know, which manufacturer would have them that day, and then you'd order them, and then the next day it would be a different manufacturer, and then you'd have to change how you were doing things because the the policy of how you you run that test is different than the previous test.
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  So it was a it was a lot to deal with.
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  But because of that, we became the largest testing site in our county, and then we grew from one site to eight sites, actually, at the height of the pandemic, and from six employees to over 300.
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  Wow.
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  Um, and it was just because we were overwhelmed every single day with patients.
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  Yeah, and I'll be honest, if I could have built 10 more sites, I would have because we were doing what needed to be done.
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  We were sending people into nursing homes when nursing homes didn't have anybody.
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  We literally were sending teams to go into the nursing home so they could test these people and isolate the people who are sick and separate the people who are not.
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  Um we, you know, we we we were we were doing all that stuff, and then monoclonal antibodies became a thing.
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  And well, let's hang on to that thought real quick.
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  Okay.
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  I'm Booker Scott, along with Dr.
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  Ron Elfenbein.
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  We are telling his story.
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  I started this hour kind of laying the groundwork of what has happened, and we're going to let him tell it, pick up where we were right there before the break.
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  You started talking about the antibodies.
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  Yeah, so monoclonal antibodies became a treatment option.
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  And just so people understand what this means, because I don't want to throw a lot of technical jargon around, but it's essentially they find the most efficace.
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  So an antibody is a protein your body will produce against a foreign invader, in this case a virus.
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  Okay, we're talking about COVID-19.
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  So the COVID-19 virus.
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  And what the drug manufacturers did was they found the most efficacious antibody.
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  So picture picture like a tennis ball.
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  Okay, that's what the coat of the virus looks like.
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  And on that surface of the tennis ball are thousands and thousands of proteins sticking out.
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  And each your body will produce an antibody to each one of those things that sticks out.
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  And what they do is they bind to the antibodies will bind to the virus and basically tie it up so that your body can clear it and get rid of it.
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  So what the drug manufacturers do is they find the best antibody out of all those that are produced, and they take it and they make one copy, like they take and they clone it, and they they make copies of that one antibody trillions and trillions and trillions of times.
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  So imagine what your body would take to produce in say three weeks.
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  If I gave you COVID right now, Booker, in three weeks, if we drew your blood, you'd obviously have produced a lot of antibodies to this virus.
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  We we we basically take what it took your body three weeks to produce and give it to you in an infusion, so it goes through an IV in 30 minutes.
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  Does that make sense?
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Okay, as I recall when Donald Trump had uh COVID, he had that treatment, as I remember.
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  He did, and it cured him.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  And and this medicine is a truly a godsend, and it was unbelievable.
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  I've never seen anything like it in my entire career of medicine of how efficacious it really was.
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  I mean, it was a miracle cure.
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  And I just want people to understand because there's a lot of like, you know, people don't like the mRNA shots and all the rest of that.
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  That's new.
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  MRNA technology is very new, it's experimental.
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  The idea of monoclonal antibodies is a technology that has been around for at least 40 years.
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  Antibodies is a technology that has been around for at least 40 years.
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  We've been using it to treat all sorts of illnesses.
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  We've been using it to treat all sorts of illnesses.
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  So this is nothing new.
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  So this is nothing new.
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  This is something we've been doing.
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  This is something we've been doing.
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  People have been getting medicines like this for a very, very long time, not just to treat infectious diseases, but to treat things like autoimmune diseases and different types of cancers and all sorts of things we've used this technology for.
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  People have been getting medicines like this for a very, very long time, not just to treat infectious diseases, but to treat things like autoimmune diseases and different types of cancers and all sorts of things we've used this technology for.
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  So this is not experimental, and this is not new.
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  So this is not experimental, and this is not new.
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  But this stuff was like a miracle cure.
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  But this stuff was like a miracle cure.
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  So I was a very, very
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  So I was a very, very early adapter and outspoken proponent of these things because I thought I'd I've seen it work before for other things.
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  And I said, this is what we should be giving everybody.
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  And you know, the mantra was vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
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  And I started to really question that.
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  I started to say I was on the news.
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  I was on Fox News and CBS and CNN and I was pretty much on any news media that would have me at least once a week, if not twice a week, nationally and internationally.
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  It was on the Saudi Arabian news of all places.
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  It was very weird, but um, they had me on their news.
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  And um, talking about COVID and talking about how wonderful these these drugs were to cure people of COVID.
• 22:07
  And um I you know, the the the vaccination mantra was I I was like, look, why are we vaccinating everybody?
• 22:15
  We have the vaccine has a place, but but we have a cure here, and you know, people who were just exposed to COVID, like why are we firing nurses in New York who just got COVID when they have natural immunity and they don't need to get a vaccination?
• 22:30
  Like that doesn't make any sense.
• 22:32
  And I started to ask these questions, and then uh the administration at the time, the Biden administration did something that I I found to be uh very off-putting and and very disturbing.
• 22:45
  So the the way it would work, if you so we started these two sites, two infusion centers, and we became the largest supplier of monoclonal antibodies in the entire state of Maryland.
• 22:54
  We were bigger than Johns Hopkins, bigger than University of Maryland, bigger than everybody else.
• 22:58
  And this is all still run through your urgent cares, correct?
• 23:02
  Correct.
• 23:02
  We what I would do is I went to um I went to volunteer ambulance um excuse me, volunteer fire departments, and I rented their catering halls and I turned them into infusion centers, and all this stuff had to be sort of learned as I went because there was no playbook on this.
• 23:18
  I had no experience running an infusion center.
• 23:21
  I'm like, I didn't know what size IV tubing to use, what kind of you know, monitors to use, what kind of chairs to buy.
• 23:26
  I had no idea.
• 23:27
  I had to learn all this stuff.
• 23:28
  So there was a lot of infrastructure things that I just had to learn on the fly.
• 23:32
  But regardless, we were able to set these things up and we became the largest in the state of Maryland, and we uh the administration decided to federalize the distribution.
• 23:44
  So the way it would work was the Biden administration.
• 23:47
  The the state of Maryland issued us a PIN number, and I would log into the just the distributor's website once a week, and I would say I used you know 100 doses last week, I want 120 doses this week.
• 23:59
  And the next day, I would get, or even sometimes that day, I would get FedEx package with whatever I asked for.
• 24:06
  Was that the Biden administration?
• 24:09
  Where were you getting it?
• 24:10
  Where's the directly from directly from the distributor?
• 24:13
  Okay, private company.
• 24:16
  So the government came out, the federal government, the Biden administration, and said, we are going to control distribution.
• 24:21
  They federalized the entire process of obtaining monoclonal antibodies.
• 24:24
  They wanted to control everything, they wanted to control it, and literally overnight, that created artificial shortages.
• 24:32
  And what I mean by that is I would request 100 doses, I was lucky if I got 80 doses.
• 24:37
  I would request, you know, 150 doses, I might get 90 doses.
• 24:41
  And if you remember, Florida at the time was they were having a massive outbreak.
• 24:48
  Yeah, spike down in South Florida, I remember.
• 24:50
  That's right.
• 24:51
  And Ron DeSantis had built a ton of these monoclonal infusion centers.
• 24:54
  In fact, he had mobile mobile ums going around giving people this drug because these drugs because they were so amazingly efficacious at curing people.
• 25:04
  And guess what?
• 25:05
  Florida was cut off.
• 25:06
  And it just seems I don't have the data on this, but I remember anecdotally that it always seemed to be the red states that were getting cut off.
• 25:14
  And then they said the administration came out and said, Oh, well, we're going to start using equity as a means to distribute this medicine.
• 25:21
  And I, to be honest with you, Booker, I don't even know what the hell that term means.
• 25:24
  Yeah, I was gonna ask you something that has no I was gonna ask you to explain it.
• 25:27
  Yeah, it certainly has no meaning as far as medicine is concerned.
• 25:30
  It has no no medical meaning, and it has no right showing up in any decision making when it comes to providing medication, life-saving medication, by the way, to people who need it.
• 25:41
  So they decided in their in their wisdom, and I put that in quotation marks, that they were going to use equity now to decide who gets this medicine and who doesn't.
• 25:50
  So the people in Florida were literally cut off.
• 25:53
  If you remember, DeSantis had to use Floridian taxpayer dollars to go out and buy from Regeneron, for example, which is one of the manufacturers of these drugs directly from them, amonoclonal antibodies because the feds had cut them off.
• 26:07
  And it's unconscionable because you literally had a spike in in in the state with the highest number of elderly people and the highest number of people with a lot of comorbidity.
• 26:16
  So you have the most at-risk population in the entire country, and they cut off those people from this life-saving medication.
• 26:22
  Yeah.
• 26:23
  And where most of the old people live is where this took place.
• 26:26
  This was in South Florida, Miami partners.
• 26:28
  That's right.
• 26:29
  That's where it was happening at the time.
• 26:30
  And they were giving this medicine to, you know, I'm gonna pick a random state to New Hampshire, for example.
• 26:35
  Yeah, and New Hampshire didn't need it, but because it was equitable, again, whatever that term means, they were deciding that it's going to go to the quote equitable area.
• 26:43
  Yeah, instead of distributing based on who needed it, they were just sending it out to everybody.
• 26:50
  And uh they would have been much better served if they had sent it, you know, where the hot spots were, and that's not the way the thinking was with the federal government.
• 26:59
  It for the first time in my to my knowledge, and anybody who knows otherwise, I'm I'm happy to be proven wrong.
• 27:04
  But I I have never ever in my entire career seen a government politicize the medication like they did.
• 27:12
  And and to their to the detriment of patients who needed it, who ended up either being hospitalized or dying as a direct result of being unable to access this life-saving medication.
• 27:22
  Why do you think they did that?
• 27:23
  Do you think they're boneheads or was it nefarious?
• 27:26
  Are they just boneheads?
• 27:28
  Well, I mean, I think that that's a given, but I think that there's also it's both.
• 27:32
  There's also a certain degree of nefarious intent, which I will get to in a minute because I totally agree with you.
• 27:38
  I think that there's there's a level of incompetence that you know is truly there, but but it this goes beyond that.
• 27:45
  So um so, you know, people who needed this medicine literally couldn't access it, and they died because of it.
• 27:52
  And then they came out and said, and this goes to your point, Booker.
• 27:56
  They said uh in December of 2021, they said that the prevalence of Omicron, there was an Omicron spike in the country.
• 28:00
  They said that the prevalence of Omicron, there was an Omicron spike in the country.
• 28:04
  Yeah, and the government said the prevalence had reached a 70% threshold.
• 28:04
  Yeah.
• 28:05
  And the government said the prevalence had reached a 70% threshold.
• 28:08
  And in their opinion, the monoclonals that we had available at the time were not effective against Omicron.
• 28:08
  And in their opinion, the monoclonals that we had available at the time were not effective against Omicron, and that the 70% threshold was some magic number, and they were going to shut the whole program down.
• 28:14
  And that the 70% threshold was some magic number.
• 28:18
  And they were going to shut the whole program down.
• 28:20
  Okay, say that again.
• 28:20
  Okay, say that again.
• 28:21
  I want you to say what you just said again because I think this is real important.
• 28:21
  I want you to say what you just said again, because I think this is real important.
• 28:25
  And it kind of goes it points to one of those two things.
• 28:25
  And it kind of goes it points to one of those two things.
• 28:28
  It's either bonehead or
• 28:28
  It's either bonehead or nefarious.
• 28:30
  Maybe it's both.
• 28:31
  But again, say what you just said about the 70%.
• 28:35
  So the government said that once the 70% threshold, and that seems to be some magic number, like the six foot, you know, staying apart from people.
• 28:43
  That was pulled off, like made up number.
• 28:46
  But regardless, they said 70% threshold.
• 28:48
  Once it reaches a 70% threshold, which they said it did in late December of 2021, they were going to shut the whole program.
• 28:56
  Now I was very angry, and I had hundreds of people set up to get infused that needed it.
• 29:04
  So we had to call and cancel every single one of these infusions.
• 29:08
  And we literally had refrigerators stocked with this life-saving medicine that we were just unable to use.
• 29:14
  And I had people calling me, begging me.
• 29:16
  And I said, you know, they said, look, I'll come in after hours and you can do it.
• 29:19
  No one will know.
• 29:20
  And I was like, I can't do that.
• 29:21
  I will lose my medical license or go to jail because it's illegal.
• 29:24
  The government made it illegal to give this medicine now.
• 29:27
  And by the way, the medicine has virtually no side effects.
• 29:32
  And I say that because we infused throughout the course of the pandemic, probably close to I think probably close to 5,000 people.
• 29:40
  And I hired a pharmacist because I didn't know this was all new to me, and I wanted to make sure we were providing our patients with the best care we possibly could.
• 29:49
  And I said to him, he's a friend of mine.
• 29:50
  I said, Look, we're gonna pay you a retainer.
• 29:52
  I just want you to be on call.
• 29:54
  Okay.
• 29:54
  Anyone has a question, they're gonna call you.
• 29:56
  He said, absolutely, I'll call him right back, no problem.
• 29:58
  Throughout the entirety of all those people in that pandemic, I think he got five phone calls.
• 30:02
  And the calls that he got were primarily for vasovagal reactions, which is any time anyone sticks a needle in somebody's arm, even for blood draws, a certain percentage of people will pass out or feel lightheaded.
• 30:13
  It has nothing to do with the medication you're giving them.
• 30:16
  It's just a reaction that people have.
• 30:17
  Yeah.
• 30:18
  So the phone call was made to cover your rear end to make sure that everything was.
• 30:22
  But the point is that there was virtually zero side effects with these medicines.
• 30:26
  Yeah.
• 30:26
  So what the government did is they took away people's people's right to make an informed decision and informed consent with their doctor.
• 30:35
  Like this should be a decision between the provider, their doctor, and the patient.
• 30:39
  Like if you came to me and you and I said, Booker, you know, you just tested positive for COVID and you're really sick.
• 30:44
  I think you should get this medicine.
• 30:45
  But you know, there's a chance it might not work.
• 30:49
  And I would say, Booker, what do you want to do?
• 30:51
  And that should be your decision.
• 30:53
  But the government took that decision away from people.
• 30:56
  And for for no reason, and we don't even know what the prevalence truly was because we don't do enough genetic, we didn't do enough genetic testing to know.
• 31:04
  So when you got just so people understand this, when you got tested for COVID, it was it was either positive or negative, a PCR test.
• 31:11
  Yeah, a very, very, verycentage of those tests would get sent to the CDC and they would get genetically tested to see which variant of COVID somebody had.
• 31:23
  And they were, it was done, you wouldn't even know because they did it without your consent.
• 31:27
  Yeah, anonymous.
• 31:28
  It was true.
• 31:29
  Anonymously, right.
• 31:30
  So but the United States was the lowest of all the countries in the world, uh, to my knowledge, to test for genetic genetic variants.
• 31:37
  We were testing less than one percent of those samples.
• 31:40
  Well, let's go, let's go back to the 70%.
• 31:42
  What happened with that 70%?
• 31:44
  What did you find out about that?
• 31:46
  So a couple of weeks later, I think two, three, four weeks later, whatever it was, the government uh retracts and says they never said they were sorry, they never apologized, but they said we misread the data, and uh we were we got it wrong.
• 32:03
  It was actually 20%.
• 32:04
  That's not 70%.
• 32:05
  That's a big miss.
• 32:06
  That's a big thing.
• 32:07
  That's a big freaking miss, excuse my language.
• 32:09
  So, either, either to your point, Booker, either it's gross and just complete malpractice level negligence and incompetence, bonehead, or there's bonehead, or there's some nefarious intent.
• 32:21
  Now, as I said before, I was really angry about this.
• 32:23
  So I went on Fox News and I went on Newsmax, and I went on a bunch of other right-leaning media, and I just tore into the government.
• 32:30
  I said they don't know what they're doing.
• 32:32
  I did use the words, they're gonna kill people, and people are gonna die because of this.
• 32:36
  And you know, I take no pleasure in the fact that I was right, but they allowed us whatever it was, three weeks later, however long it was, they allowed us to start infusing again once they acknowledge that they had made a mistake.
• 32:48
  And I put mistake in quotation marks to your point, because I don't know really what their motivation was.
• 32:53
  So you're out there all over.
• 32:56
  You're on newsmax, you're on Fox, you're everywhere that you can find on the right side on the conservative side, because the uh the left and the mainstream media at that point, they're they don't want to hear your story because they're all about the vaccine, and that's all they cared about, and they don't want to hear you.
• 33:11
  So you're going to where you can be heard and you're loud about it.
• 33:15
  And it's loud and obnoxious.
• 33:17
  Loud obnoxious perfect.
• 33:19
  And the government under Joe Biden, as so many of us know, they weaponized government against people from Donald Trump all the way down here to Dr.
• 33:28
  Ron Elfenbein.
• 33:30
  That's who we're talking to.
• 33:31
  And we're going to continue this conversation.
• 33:33
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• 33:37
  You heard at the beginning of this hour that uh what he's been through.
• 33:41
  He was arrested, he was charged.
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• 33:45
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• 33:51
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• 38:04
  You were loud on television.
• 38:06
  You said that they're gonna kill people, and that uh probably got some people's attention.
• 38:13
  Pick up the story there.
• 38:15
  And one thing I didn't mention, I think this is relevant too, is that the government actually approached me, the federal government approached me at one point and asked me to open up a site, monoclonal site at FedEx Field where the Redskins played for the formerly known as the Redskins team plays football.
• 38:29
  And we did that in a partnership with HHS, Health and Human Services, and the Maryland Department of Health.
• 38:33
  They came, they approached me and they asked me to do it, and we did.
• 38:36
  What year was that?
• 38:37
  What year didn't that?
• 38:39
  2020, early, I think late 2020 or early 2021.
• 38:43
  Okay, so that was maybe still the Trump administration, HHS that did that.
• 38:48
  And you went to the Washington Redskins Stadium, no longer the Redskins commanders, whatever they are.
• 38:54
  There's they'll always be the Redskins to me.
• 38:56
  They were my favorite team when I was a kid growing up.
• 38:58
  They had Billy Kilmer as quarterback, uh Ron Jorgensen.
• 39:02
  I don't know if you remember those.
• 39:03
  I know you're too young.
• 39:04
  But uh, I love the Redskins.
• 39:06
  You can't say the Redskins anymore, but you can on this program, so don't worry about it.
• 39:10
  So this is 2021, somewhere in that time frame.
• 39:14
  Yeah.
• 39:14
  By the way, how many patients did you treat during this time period from 2020 until the pandemic was over?
• 39:23
  Uh over 300,000.
• 39:25
  Okay.
• 39:25
  300,000.
• 39:26
  I think it's an important number.
• 39:27
  I want you to hang on to that number.
• 39:29
  If you're listening to this, hang on to that number as we continue on here in this last segment.
• 39:34
  Keep going.
• 39:34
  We tested and/or treated.
• 39:35
  So, so yeah, so I made the very loud, obnoxious comments, and I and I stand by those comments because it's the truth.
• 39:43
  And what they did is unconscionable and it cost people their lives.
• 39:47
  I can guarantee you that.
• 39:48
  A certain percentage of people are no longer alive because of the stupidity and/or nefarious intent of the Biden administration in 20 late 2021.
• 39:56
  So they they let us go back to infusing in early 2022.
• 40:01
  And then they started to remove the emergency use authorizations of the monoclonal antibodies, one by one.
• 40:07
  There were like I think six or seven at the time that you could pick from, and they started to very slowly and then eventually very quickly take away those EUAs.
• 40:15
  Now, something to your point, Booker, and this is important about uh nefarious intent.
• 40:20
  One of the things I've subsequently learned is that per Secretary Kennedy, there is a little known federal law that if there's an emergency use authorization for a vaccine for a virus, if there's anything that's proven efficacious against the virus, the emergency use authorization of the vaccine goes away.
• 40:40
  So, in other words, that's why the government had to beat anybody who was trying to talk about hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.
• 40:48
  And I would argue monoclonal antibodies are even more than that because this literally was the cure.
• 40:53
  You could cure somebody in 30 minutes of COVID.
• 40:56
  And I saw it with my own two eyes.
• 40:58
  People would come in blue with their pulse oximeter in the 80s.
• 41:01
  You know, you should be 100%, your oxygen saturation.
• 41:04
  They would be in the 80s, gasping for breath.
• 41:06
  You give them this medicine, and halfway through the infusion, they were like, oh my God, I feel so much better.
• 41:11
  Yeah.
• 41:11
  I've never seen anything like it.
• 41:13
  So my outspokenness and the fact that these things worked, and I was the largest supplier in Maryland to put the EUA of the vaccine in direct risk.
• 41:22
  So four months later, out of the blue with no warning, I find myself indicted on federal health care front charges for patients.
• 41:31
  I have not seen, okay.
• 41:33
  Typically, health care fraud is for patients, for things that don't exist, like people making up patients or wheelchairs that never got delivered, or things like that.
• 41:42
  These were real people.
• 41:43
  No one has ever alleged that we made up charts, made up patients, whatever.
• 41:46
  These were actual patients.
• 41:48
  In fact, they charged me with five counts.
• 41:50
  Three of them, the government called at my trial, and they all testified.
• 41:54
  Yeah, I got seen.
• 41:55
  Yes, I got tested.
• 41:57
  That's not fraud.
• 41:58
  But so anyway, they said that that we were we were charging too much.
• 42:00
  They said that that we were we were charging too much.
• 42:03
  We were upcoding, and we picked the wrong code.
• 42:03
  We were upcoding and we picked the wrong code.
• 42:05
  Yeah, let's talk about that.
• 42:05
  Yeah, let's talk about that because that's where where the fraud was, according to the government.
• 42:06
  Because that's where where the fraud was, according to the government.
• 42:11
  Correct.
• 42:11
  Correct.
• 42:13
  So uh, first of all, the ICD 10 system, which we use to code things, there's over 69,000 codes.
• 42:13
  So first of all, the ICD 10 system, which we use to code things, there's over 69,000 codes.
• 42:21
  Yeah, let's let's explain that just a little bit.
• 42:21
  Yeah, let's let's explain that just a little bit.
• 42:23
  When you go to the doctor and you have a sore throat, there's a code for that.
• 42:23
  When you go to the doctor and you have a sore throat, there's a code for that.
• 42:27
  There's a code for everything.
• 42:27
  There's a code for everything, and there's someone.
• 42:29
  And there's someone in a doctor's office that knows the codes.
• 42:32
  They put the codes on the insurance.
• 42:34
  They don't put anything else, they don't put you had a sore throat when they're sending it to the insurance company to be paid.
• 42:41
  They just put the code in there.
• 42:42
  So that's what that's what you're talking about.
• 42:45
  So when the it's an important point you're making.
• 42:48
  So when the insurance company, be it Medicare or private, doesn't matter.
• 42:51
  When they get a when they get a bill, all they get is the patient's name and a bunch of codes.
• 42:57
  So the government charged me with crimes, okay?
• 43:00
  Criminal charges for fraud, and they never looked at the charts.
• 43:08
  And I know that because I had not turned them over to them.
• 43:11
  So they they first of all, we saw over a hundred thousand patients in that time frame.
• 43:15
  They they got me, they looked at five.
• 43:17
  And they never even had a professional coder look at those five charts, just government attorneys.
• 43:23
  Yeah, you had a lot of people working for you.
• 43:25
  You had a lot of people working for you.
• 43:27
  And so I guess you probably are not sitting there writing the codes to charge insurance or in this case the government for this.
• 43:36
  You probably had someone doing that for you, I would think.
• 43:39
  Well, not only were the providers doing it themselves, but then we had a coding company, a billing and coding company, an outside company.
• 43:46
  So the the government charged me with five counts, and they had not even looked at the charts.
• 43:50
  And that's important because the only way to know what the coding, whether it's appropriate or not, is to look in the charts, because it's all based on what happens in the chart, what's written in the chart.
• 43:59
  But they hadn't even had the charts.
• 44:01
  So they charged me with crimes without any evidence.
• 44:04
  And um they got my name wrong and all the charging documents.
• 44:10
  They didn't interview like my partners who who ran them, as I said before.
• 44:15
  And the business side.
• 44:15
  Were your partners charged at all?
• 44:17
  No, no, nobody else was charged.
• 44:19
  Nurse practitioners, PAs, no one, the guy who did the coding, the that person, no one charged.
• 44:25
  Just it just happened to be the guy that went on Fox and said they're gonna kill people.
• 44:30
  The guy that went on Newsmax and said those things.
• 44:32
  And the guy, the guy who ran for state senate as a Republican and nearly beat a 30-year Democrat incumbent, so much so that they had to redistrict the district right at my front door, literally, across the highway.
• 44:45
  Um I can't prove any of this, of course, but it seems it seems pretty clear to me that there was four months elapsed.
• 44:55
  There was really no investigation that had been done.
• 44:57
  And they got my name wrong on all the charging documents.
• 45:00
  Ron is not a difficult name, and they gave me a middle initial, which I don't have.
• 45:03
  I've never had a middle name.
• 45:05
  Yeah, you don't have a name, you don't have a middle name, your name's not Ronald or anything else, it's it's Ron.
• 45:09
  That's right.
• 45:10
  Yeah, it's just Ron.
• 45:11
  So you would think that if they're going to charge you with the crime, they would at least know your name and they come after you, you know, the right person.
• 45:16
  Um so even the judge, by the way, at a pretrial conference called the government out and said this whole thing looks like a case of quote, shoot first and ask questions later.
• 45:26
  And then he was 100% right.
• 45:28
  That's exactly what this was.
• 45:29
  It was show me the man and I'll show you the crime kind of a thing.
• 45:32
  So, you know, we go to trial, and uh how long was your trial?
• 45:36
  Three weeks.
• 45:37
  Okay.
• 45:38
  Uh, but we always only four days a week.
• 45:39
  We took the the judge took Fridays off, so it was just Monday through Thursday.
• 45:42
  So about 10, 12 days in total.
• 45:44
  Yes.
• 45:46
  And um, to your point, the the jury somehow finds me guilty.
• 45:51
  But the entire time I'm sitting there, I'm like, they didn't, they literally did not present any evidence.
• 45:54
  They said I'm not exaggerating this.
• 45:58
  They said that I was wrong and that I had picked the wrong code, but they never said what the right code was.
• 46:04
  They never said why I was wrong or how I was wrong, and they never had a professional coder look at a single chart.
• 46:11
  There's people who do this for a living.
• 46:14
  The only people who looked at the charts were government lawyers.
• 46:17
  And what the hell does a government lawyer know about coding?
• 46:20
  So out of a hundred thousand people, you have five indictments, five guilty uh charges now, and you face 50 years in prison on this 10 years and millions of dollars in restitution.
• 46:35
  What is the difference between the um the the code that you should have used and the code that was used?
• 46:42
  Oh, what's the difference in what you would charge uh the government or health insurance or whoever it is that's paying.
• 46:48
  So let me just correct you because you said the code I should have used.
• 46:51
  So we actually had a professional coder come and testify, and he said he looked at hundreds of our charts, and this guy was the uh president of the American Association of Professional Coders, so he's not some Yahoo.
• 47:01
  He said the coding was all correct.
• 47:03
  In fact, a couple of charts may have been undercoded.
• 47:06
  The government never said what the right code should have been, which is just mind-boggling.
• 47:10
  Yeah, and they never said how I was wrong.
• 47:12
  But even if let's just assume I was wrong.
• 47:14
  So we were billing what's called a level four visit.
• 47:17
  If we if you say we should have been billing a level three, and by the way, if the government had just picked up the damn phone and said, hey, you know, we have a question about your billing, which leads me to believe that none of this is about billing, it's just a ruse.
• 47:30
  But if they had called me, like any normal human being would have done and to say, we don't understand your billing, we have a conversation about this.
• 47:37
  I would have happily sat down with them.
• 47:38
  And if they would have said we, you know, we think you overcoded, fine, I would have paid the money back if they said that you owe money back, yeah.
• 47:44
  Like there would have been no problem.
• 47:45
  That's what a normal person would have done.
• 47:47
  Like if someone, if you go to the grocery store and you buying blueberries and they charge you for two things of blueberries, you don't call the police, you go and you speak to the the checkout person.
• 47:55
  You said that you made a mistake, but they didn't give me that opportunity.
• 47:59
  So anyway, the difference between what we were billing, which I had a perfectly reasonable and logical explanation for why we were doing it, and and the coding people said we were right, but regardless, the difference between that and the next lowest level, level three, on average, because every insurance company is a little bit different, is about 50 dollars.
• 48:16
  Okay.
• 48:17
  So five times 50 is 250.
• 48:20
  So the government is basically alleging that charging me with 50 years in jail over a 250 billing dispute.
• 48:28
  Yeah.
• 48:29
  Like in what world, universe galaxy, does that make any sense?
• 48:34
  It doesn't make any to me, which is why I'm giving you the platform to tell this very story.
• 48:40
  And I want the listeners to hear this also, because uh, you know, I I'll leave it up to them to decide uh, you know, what is this all about?
• 48:48
  Because you know, 15 million dollars is what was alleged you billed during this.
• 48:54
  That's what the government said in the Department of Justice uh releases on this, the news releases.
• 48:59
  Was it even close to 15 million in total?
• 49:00
  Close to 15 million in total.
• 49:02
  Well, so with the I I think with the number they're using, I still don't understand that, by the way, but I think that number represents all the patients that we saw, the 100,000 patients that we saw in the term of the in the time of the indictment.
• 49:02
  Well, so with the I I think with the number they're using, I still don't understand that, by the way, but I think that number represents all the patients that we saw, the 100,000 patients that we saw in the term of the in the time of the indictment.
• 49:13
  Now, just so your listeners understand, that's what we build.
• 49:13
  Now, just so your listeners understand, that's what we build.
• 49:17
  I'm assuming that's not what we got paid.
• 49:17
  I'm assuming that's not what we got paid, okay?
• 49:19
  Okay.
• 49:20
  And it's certainly not what I got paid.
• 49:20
  And it's certainly not what I got paid, but what the business gets is about a third of what you built.
• 49:21
  But what the business gets is about a third of what you built.
• 49:24
  So if we if we live, if it's legitimate that we build 15 million dollars for 100,000 patients, right?
• 49:24
  So if we if we live if it's legitimate that we build 15 million dollars for 100,000 patients, right?
• 49:29
  We probably got
• 49:29
  We probably got somewhere in that range, roughly.
• 49:31
  Now, I don't know because I don't know.
• 49:35
  And you're not the business guy, you have partners to do that.
• 49:37
  But out of that comes cost for all the people that you hired for all the things that you have to purchase the cost of doing business.
• 49:45
  So it's not like anybody's making five million dollars either.
• 49:48
  So all those costs of business.
• 49:49
  Yeah.
• 49:50
  And the cost of business during a major pandemic, right?
• 49:53
  So everything is like 15 times more expensive than any other time.
• 49:56
  So, you know, it was it was insane.
• 49:58
  But and just to just so your listeners understand, the American Medical Association, I'm not even a member of the AMA, but they came to my defense.
• 50:05
  So I know people would say, oh, well, they're gonna come to one of their own doctors' defense.
• 50:08
  I'm not a member, and they very I don't have never heard of a time when they've ever done this before.
• 50:14
  They wrote an amicus brief, a friend of the court brief to the to the court and said that now people understand the rules that the government's accusing me of breaking.
• 50:22
  The AMA wrote, and the AMA said I didn't break these rules.
• 50:27
  But yet the government's still prosecuting me and still coming after me.
• 50:30
  Well, it seems like that there's uh the it there's a lot of ambiguity as well when it comes to these codes.
• 50:37
  And uh the amazing thing here, as we're getting close to the end of the hour, we've got a few more minutes here.
• 50:43
  We're gonna have to wrap it up.
• 50:45
  And I want to get to the full story.
• 50:47
  The amazing thing to me is you do not see a judge reverse the guilty plea that a jury came to very often.
• 50:55
  It just doesn't happen.
• 50:56
  And it happened in this case, and that really means something.
• 51:00
  And if you Google this case and you can read about it, you can see both sides of the story.
• 51:05
  You're hearing um one side here.
• 51:08
  I'm trying to give you both sides of the story, but this judge allows the jury to make their decision of guilt on all five charges.
• 51:16
  Then the judge says, Well, wait a minute, there was no case, just like you said, he said at the beginning of the trial.
• 51:23
  It looks like you're, you know, shooting first and asking questions later.
• 51:26
  By the time all the evidence was presented before this judge, he had come to that same conclusion at the end, and he acquits you.
• 51:34
  But it's not it's not over.
• 51:36
  It's not over the 93 page opinion, which again, like is is unheard of.
• 51:40
  The Supreme Court doesn't issue 93 page opinions.
• 51:43
  And I just want to read a couple quotes because they're important.
• 51:45
  He said, quote, there can, of course, be no crimes if the defendant complied with those rules.
• 51:50
  Quote, the evidence weighs so heavily in favor of the defendant that it would be unjust to enter judgment against him, end quote.
• 51:56
  Quote, the government did not carry its burden, and no reasonable jury could have so concluded.
• 52:02
  And this was after I got uh convicted by a jury.
• 52:05
  Um, and we can certainly go into why I think the jury voted to convict me, but there was literally no evidence presented of any wrongdoing.
• 52:12
  And that's what the judge pointed out in 93 pages.
• 52:14
  Not only did he equip me of all five charges, but he also said, in case the government appeals, you were guaranteed a new trial.
• 52:20
  Yeah.
• 52:21
  And as they were packing their bags, literally boxing up their offices, the Biden DOJ sticks me in the back one more time and decides to appeal.
• 52:28
  Yeah.
• 52:28
  At the 11th hour of the 11th day, just before Trump's inaugurated, they decided to appeal.
• 52:33
  So now I'm facing a new trial, a second criminal trial in in August of this year.
• 52:39
  And I'm trying to get someone in the Trump administration to look at this objectively.
• 52:43
  And and this is just a weaponization group that the Trump established, and uh uh former attorney general Bondi established.
• 52:50
  And I think this is a perfect case for that because this is exactly what this is.
• 52:54
  It's a weaponized DOJ against me.
• 52:56
  And even the judge saw through it.
• 52:57
  And by the way, that judge is not some right-wing judge, he was an Obama appointee.
• 53:01
  Yeah, and he was the chief judge of the state of Maryland, the chief federal judge in the entire state.
• 53:06
  I think the jury probably looked at the 15 million dollars and said he's guilty, and that was the end of it.
• 53:14
  That's exactly right.
• 53:15
  And and what did they use to prove my to quote unquote prove my criminal intents?
• 53:19
  They put up my tax returns.
• 53:20
  Yeah, and the government look look how much money he made before the pandemic.
• 53:23
  Look how much he made after the pandemic.
• 53:24
  He've got to be guilty of something.
• 53:26
  That's literally what they said.
• 53:28
  Well, that doesn't that doesn't make you guilty.
• 53:30
  It may it means of course not.
• 53:32
  Right.
• 53:33
  And and keep in mind, too, as you're listening to this, that the government came to him.
• 53:38
  The government came to you and said, set up these test sites.
• 53:42
  So just because of that, and doing it at the Washington Redskin Stadium, you saw 100,000 people.
• 53:48
  That's a lot of people, that's a lot of money.
• 53:50
  You are asked to do it, you did it, and as a result of that, you're gonna make some money, but and you're gonna bill a large amount of money because that's what happens when you're doing that kind of business and seeing those kind of patients.
• 54:03
  It's a very interesting story.
• 54:05
  Your trial is coming up in August 2026.
• 54:09
  Who knows?
• 54:10
  Maybe uh someone may hear this that might be able to make a difference in your life and uh, you know, do the right thing here.
• 54:18
  Uh I'm convinced that there is no reason for the Department of Justice under any administration to continue to pursue this.
• 54:25
  And the reason why I say that is again, you're talking about five of 100,000.
• 54:31
  We all make mistakes and somebody somewhere, maybe they made a mistake, maybe they didn't.
• 54:37
  We really don't know because as you said, they didn't even see the charts to begin with, to know exactly what that person received in the way of medical care.
• 54:47
  We're about out of time, but I'll let you have a last word here.
• 54:50
  Anything else would you would like to say here, Dr.
• 54:53
  Ron Elfenbein is his name.
• 54:55
  It's from Annapolis, Maryland.
• 54:57
  Uh and uh are you living in Anne Arundel County or is it uh what Prince George?
• 55:02
  No, yeah, I live in Anaroma County.
• 55:04
  Okay.
• 55:05
  Last word for Mew, and we're gonna end this hour.
• 55:08
  Well, first of all, Berker, thank you.
• 55:09
  It was a real pleasure to talk to you and to be on your show, and then real honor.
• 55:12
  So thank you.
• 55:13
  Um listen, the this has been a nightmare beyond epic proportions.
• 55:19
  Uh yeah, and I did nothing wrong.
• 55:21
  And uh have to have your own government weaponized against you like this is just unbelievable and devastating.
• 55:28
  And uh people could go to my website, drop the case dot com.
• 55:32
  Um, if if you if you have the means, please let us a Gibson go on there, please.
• 55:36
  If it's been nearly bankrupted, my my wife and myself and my four children.
• 55:41
  Um, and you know, that we have a change.org.
• 55:43
  If people can can sign that, it's free, and it's just an online petition.
• 55:47
  Um, but you can learn all more about the case, you can reach out to me.
• 55:49
  I'm happy to talk to anybody and please follow me on X at Ron Elfenbine MD on X.
• 55:53
  Um, but yeah, I really appreciate the opportunity and and thank you.
• 55:57
  And I just think it's important that people understand that if they can do this to me and they can do this to the president, they can do this to anybody.
• 56:00
  If they can do this to me and they can do this to the president, they can do this to anybody.
• 56:02
  Yeah, so we should all care about this, and we should all be very careful because this is not right, and it is pretty much the most unamerican thing you could do to somebody.
• 56:03
  So we should all care about this, and we should all be very careful because this is not right, and it is pretty much the most un American thing you could do to somebody.
• 56:10
  There are no boundaries with the communist when it comes to freedom and liberty, because they don't want you to have it.
• 56:16
  We know they weaponized government under Joe Biden.
• 56:19
  We can't allow that to happen.
• 56:21
  We have midterms coming up in November.
• 56:23
  They are very important to the future of this country and to prevent things like.
• 56:23
  They are very important to the future of this country and to prevent things like what happened to Dr.
• 56:31
  Ron Elfenbey.
• 56:32
  I hope you've enjoyed this hour.
• 56:33
  I have.