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Do Horses Swim Underwater & Like to Compete? · The Horsehuman Connection Matrix

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  This is the Horse Human Connection, a captivating podcast where we extend into the world of equine assisted learning, horse training.
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  and gentleness in working with these magnificent creatures.
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  Captivating stories from the leading professionals and ordinary people alike unravel novel ideas in being with horses.
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  The Horse Human Connection is an idea, a place, and a voice.
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  The idea is to support the quiet revolution and recognize the intelligence and true nature of the horse.
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  The place is a destination farm near the Umpqua Forest and River that slows down visitors and patrons enough to experience the shift.
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  The Voice is this podcast.
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  Welcome to today's episode.
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  Welcome to today's episode.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Again, welcome to the horse human connection matrix.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And the quiet revolution in the horse world.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think more and more people are beginning to understand what I mean by the quiet revolution.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Is that place where we realize that horses are truly intelligent and that they have the capacity to interact with us.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: In other ways than us just being dominant with them.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So today I have a couple of stories for you.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: The first one.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Is about a red Tennessee Walker named Maddy.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I saw somewhere on Facebook recently, a question that said, can horses swim under water?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And it prompted me to realize that of all the stories I've told about the herd that I had at the ranch.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I have not told this one and it's a.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It was, it was something.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So the situation is I have some horses separated and, and I have.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Electric fencing up around the edge of a pond so they could drink.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And it's rather a hill.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I had taken Maddie.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Back to the spot.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She wasn't currently in that pastor, I was taking her.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: For a walk to the water.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And it was early.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: In the morning I had just fed and I had fed in my pajamas that morning.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: There was no one around.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So if it was early feeding, sometimes I would do that.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I took her to the edge of the water and this particular pond had grown a mat.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: In the middle of it, of a pond plants of various kinds.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: There were several different kinds out there, but it had gotten quite thick in most of the middle.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And the pond is about 60 feet long by 30 feet wide, roughly.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And it has a rather steep it's built in a draw.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: With a dam.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It had a rather steep embankment on the backside that continued up the hill.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: That's the side that we were on.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Maddie's taking a drink.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: a little bit of history.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Maddie likes to jump creeks and small waterways and living in Oregon.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Most of the year, at least half, if not more of the year there's drainage ditches, almost everywhere.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And getting Maddy to walk through them had been some we'd worked on a whole lot.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And occasionally though, she just would, rather than get her feet wet, she would rather jump.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So she's getting a drink in this pond.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she sees the mat in the middle of the pond and she thinks it's solid ground.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So before I knew it, she had leaped from the side.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Into the middle.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Only to discover.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: That it was deep water, not Not salted land at all.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she sank and she went under water.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I completely was shocked, surprised, and panicked like, oh my gosh.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I had the same question that people on Facebook, it can have horses swim under water.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: What she going to do?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Is she going to.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Yeah, the horses are pretty heavy and it's one thing to wait into a stream and slowly start to paddle.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And swim.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's quite another to sink to the bottom and try to come up and swim.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Especially since I'd never seen this horse swim at all.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So I waited and In my, in my teenage years, I had been a lifeguard.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And once your lifeguard, I think it never leaves you.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So my life guard training started to kick in and I'm thinking I have to rescue her.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But I'm like, she's a horse.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: How, how, how am I going to do this?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I'm dressed and it's spring time.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So it's cold.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's not freezing, but it's cold enough.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But swimming and clothes, especially sweatpants doesn't work very well.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It took me a few minutes to think about like kickoff the shoes, take off the pants, jump in with my arms spread wide.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So I don't go under water and I've got to swim through these plants and try to find, like, try to find the horse.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So about the time.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I've taken off my shoes and my pants and getting ready to jump in her head, pops up and I'm like, oh good.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So I went ahead and I jumped in.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I found a lead rope.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She had a halter and lead rope on and found the lead rope and guided her.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: To the side, to the damn edge of the pond and which had three strands of barbed wire.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So the cattle and horses wouldn't drink from that side and erode the damn.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Oh, my goodness.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So I got her to the side and she, she had been panicked.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She was absolutely banning.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Panicked.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think about.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Or breathing and her face and her big eyes and the whites in her eyes.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I got her feet.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She and I got her feet there on the edge of this embankment.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And then I'm like, now what, how do I get her out of here?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: There's Bob wire.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: You know, and turning around and swimming back across the pond in her panic state just didn't seem like a good idea.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Jumping it after her in retrospect didn't seem like a good idea because of those hubs.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I just didn't know.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: How she was going to be.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But I got her to wait there and I ran down and I got the bulk cutters.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Soaking wet barefoot on the gravel path brand down.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Got the bulk cutters came back up.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Cut the fence.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And bent it back and was able to help her, help her out, laughing to myself.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: About the whole thing.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she shook that water off.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She shook off the experience.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And yeah, so there's the answer.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Yes.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Horses can swim underwater and you don't actually have to jump in after them.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: They'll figure it out.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Horses, some horses or silly or than others.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And, you know, that kind of leads me into intention.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I've been thinking a little bit about this intention and expectation.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I've talked a lot about intention.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And riding and co-created rides in the past, on my podcasts.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I don't know if I've talked about, about this particular thing.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So at one point, my horse Sipsy went away to a trainer who I interviewed and thought that we were on the same page and that there was trust and that she knew what she was doing.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I was sending her there to get finished, to learn some lead changes.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So learn transitions between gates better.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: To get more comfortable galloping with a person on her back.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And this woman.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Oh, my gosh.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She should have given me more than a refund.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Anyway, it was horrible.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: By the time I got my horseback it was another year on the ground to build trust with her because she was so checked out.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But one of the things that stuck in my head about this particular trainer.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Was when I got there, she said to me, she said, Leadership is up for grabs at any time every day.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Which is true with horses in the wild, like the leader at some point is going to not be the fastest, smartest, most aware, best hearing.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Horse and that leadership is up for grabs and that's, that's important for the survival of the herd.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I don't think that same thing exists in a barnyard or a barn installs and a few pastures, but this woman thought I did.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And because she thought it did it did.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Horses live up to our expectations.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So what happened at this farm was every time she fed these horses, There was like the scarcity thing.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: 'cause she said leadership is up for grabs at every meal.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And her horse has fought about food at every meal as if they were expected to.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Which created problems.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: You know back at home, I had three horses and I know the thing about put four piles.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So if one gets chased off, they always have a pile, but we'd gotten to a point with my horses where I had always said, there's plenty of food.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Nobody needs to fight.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And they didn't three horses, three piles, no fighting.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: That was the expectation.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Expectations are really important.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: With silliness too.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I know another woman who.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think part of our, kind of enjoy some of the horse antics and how they can get themselves into some silly situations.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And sometimes though, I get hurt.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But that's her experience.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: That's her belief.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And that's her expectation.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: My expectation on the other hand is that my horses are really intelligent and they can get themselves out of almost anything.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like Maddie and the water, she could have gotten herself out of that, given the chance.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Along with intention.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I really believe that expectations are super important.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Well, that doesn't mean that every horse wants to compete and win.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And has that competitive drive.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But if, if you do, and you're competing with your horse you know, having some expectations to rise to the occasion, Just like kids, a few don't expect them to do well in school.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: They're probably, aren't going to try as hard.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I believe it's the same thing.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So that brings me to the story about Firefly and competition.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So firefighters, my retired Fox charter.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And this was before she retired, but she was like 20 years old at the time.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I took her to a place called the Oregon horse center, which is the largest horse center in Oregon.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I believe.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And has five larger arenas and they host a mountain trail and obstacle competitions, and they may even be responsible for inventing the sport.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Not sure.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But there was a clinic.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: To learn more about mountain trail and obstacle while they had the big core set up, they had a smaller course in one of the smaller arenas and someone was teaching this.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And then there was a little kind of mock competition afterwards.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It wasn't the big competition, but it was just for the people taking the clinic.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And a little bit about firefight, although she was a very well-trained horse.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She has been a food queen.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like her mom was a Rollie poli and she's just always been interested in a lot of food and had a tendency to be a very easy keeper as well.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So on the trail, if she had one fault or vice, it would be like, let me stop for a bite and let me stop for a nibble.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Even, you know, when, she would, of course, listen.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And some of the time on the trail, when the grass was really tall, we had the rule.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Go ahead, take a bite.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Just don't break stride.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: As long as you're doing it, because when the grass is like right at their mouth level, why not?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Anyway.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So we did the, we did the clinic.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And the last obstacle that she had to be judged on.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Was being ground tied next to a stack of three bales of choice, alfalfa.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And not look at it, not taste it, not anything.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I knew this would be too much for this horse.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like there's no way she was going to do that.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I hadn't even practiced ground tying with her.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like she knew the concept.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Whoever trained her, did it with her, but it wasn't something in our regular repertoire that I required of her.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So when I dismounted.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And ground hide her next to the soft alpha.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And mentally told her don't you dare eat that.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she didn't even look at it.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I knew that she knew that we were competing.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Yeah, it was a moment.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It was like a moment of realization.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like she completely understands this.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Otherwise she totally would have been all over that alfalfa.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And This was in the beginning with firefighters.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I was just beginning to learn how in tune she really was with me and how much she did understand.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So at the same competition.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: We were spending the weekend.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: At the Oregon horse center, she had a stall.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And we had trailered with a friend.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And the friend's trailer was a stock trailer that wasn't too tall and she'd hit her head on this trailer before.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she wasn't fond of getting in.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I was fairly novice horse person at this point.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And so the friend was attempting to load and she was, she could kind of big and strong and definitely dominant with the horses of so much.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So that.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It took me years later before I could understand what the release was, because her release was invisible to me, apparently not to the horses, but to me it was, and all I saw was her being really big and really angry.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I thought that's the way you were supposed to handle horses.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It turns out.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It turns out.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I don't agree with that anymore at all.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But she was trying to practice load.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Firefly in the stock trailer and firefight was not having it.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So at some point I was living in the same town as the Oregon horse center, which is Eugene, Oregon at the time.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I kept Firefly at a barn stalled and stable.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Did a barn.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: That was about three miles from the Oregon horse center.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So when the horse was having all this trouble getting in the trailer, my mind started drifting to, well, I'll just ride her home.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: What streets do I have to cross?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: How busy are they?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: What, what, what field can I cut through here?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: What field can I cut through there?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: How will it be to ride along the edge?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Of this road and that road.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I had it all mapped out in my head.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I was like, yeah, this is doable.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I'll just ride her home at off.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She'd be kind of fun.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It'd be a good experience for us.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So we still had more time, like she was practice loading, right.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: We weren't leaving until the next day or later that evening, or I don't remember exactly.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: There's a big field out back of the horse center.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: At least there used to be.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I thought, well, I'll just take her for a little ride out here in the pasture.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And see if that doesn't like calm us down that are better, eat a little bit and, you know, take a break from the busy-ness of inside.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: The big barn with all the stalls.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So as I'm doing that, This was also the same way that I had in my mind that we would have to ride home.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And in previous podcasts, I've mentioned the front brain and the back brain and how horses could read your front brain.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: So.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Looking back.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And in that moment, I realized when I started writing and she went into this beautiful little Fox trot.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But in a hurry years forward intent, like you can tell when a horse.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Has an intention of where they're going and when they're just listening to you or meandering, she was intent.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And the angle at which she was cutting across this field was the exact trajectory that we needed to get to the gate.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: On the other side of this large field to get to the road that would lead us home.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She had read my thoughts about going home and thought I wanted to go home right now.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I know this sounds like a lot to a lot of people.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And maybe not everybody's brain works the way mine does.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I still wonder if.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Now that I realize I'm on the autism spectrum.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: If somehow my brain connect differently with animals and it's very possible, but I think this story illustrates a couple of things that horses definitely read our intentions.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: That, what we expect is transferred to them.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Asking these questions about what horses are capable of, whether it's swimming under water, reading intention, living up to expectations.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Or asking them to, do you like to compete?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like Firefly turns out love to compete?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I wish I had been a better rider when I got her.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: We could have done so much.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She didn't end up with third place in that little clinic competition.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And when I pinned the ribbons on her saddle, I have a picture of her.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She was so cute.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She turned her head around to look at the ribbons.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like she was proud.
• 17:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone: She knew, she knew that she gotten ribbons for what she did.
• 17:28
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And That's really something, you know, I don't know if other people experienced that with their horses or if they could.
• 17:34
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think they can.
• 17:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think some do.
• 17:39
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And what does it take if you're not one of those people to bring that into your life?
• 17:43
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Or do you want it.
• 17:45
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like, maybe I should be asking that question to maybe people.
• 17:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Don't want deeper relationships with their horses.
• 17:54
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I can't comprehend that, but it's possible.
• 18:00
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Just like, I can't believe that it's possible that people wouldn't want a deeper relationship with their horse.
• 18:09
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: One that involves listening and being with another sentience being.
• 18:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: That they wouldn't prefer that over basically slavery.
• 18:21
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: It may be.
• 18:21
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: It doesn't surprise me that I can't comprehend that because as an.
• 18:26
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Person on the autism spectrum.
• 18:28
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: I also can't really comprehend how people treat each other.
• 18:32
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Especially in the last few decades where corporate culture.
• 18:37
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Has.
• 18:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Infiltrated into our personal relationships.
• 18:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: You know, customer service used to be a thing.
• 18:44
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: The customer was always right.
• 18:46
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: And shop owners and corporations treated customers with dignity and respect.
• 18:52
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Because word of mouth could ruin you and that's no longer the case.
• 18:55
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: It doesn't matter anymore.
• 18:57
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: And I'm old enough to have seen this change.
• 19:00
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: And I'm old enough and strange enough, I guess, with the autism spectrum disorder to notice these things acutely.
• 19:09
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: And to wish for a different world.
• 19:13
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: It confuses me.
• 19:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: And I'm a little off subject here, but not really, because this is things that I can't really comprehend.
• 19:20
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Right that Springs out of this story that I'm telling about Firefly.
• 19:26
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: I can't really comprehend.
• 19:28
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: That there've been books around about communication and active listening from Alice Miller back in the eighties to non-violent communication.
• 19:37
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Handbook and teachings.
• 19:40
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Too.
• 19:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: What's demonstrated in TV shows.
• 19:44
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Especially with like strong female characters and hero wins who speak their mind and are respected for it.
• 19:51
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Who communicate directly and are appreciated for it.
• 19:55
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: But the reality that I experienced in the world is quite the opposite.
• 20:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: But here's the weird part, right?
• 20:03
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: It's like, People on the spectrum are different because we naturally do those things and are inclined towards those things.
• 20:12
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: And our culture and media suggest that that's the way everybody wants to be and they want to be authentic.
• 20:19
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Huge movement to be authentic.
• 20:21
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: It's like, oh, wrong.
• 20:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: No, if you want to fit in, you got to just pretend.
• 20:27
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: All of this is really confusing.
• 20:29
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Animals are simple.
• 20:32
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Why would I not want to listen to my horse?
• 20:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Why would I not want to enjoy an honest relationship?
• 20:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: With another sentience being.
• 20:41
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: When our culture and society make doing that with humans.
• 20:46
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: So incredibly difficult.
• 20:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: And my guests.
• 20:51
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: That because of the big shifts in the last couple of decades.
• 20:55
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: And the real changes in.
• 20:58
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: The, the different generations, generation X, and Z and whatever y'all are that.
• 21:07
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: More people than are just on the spectrum are also confused by what is supposed to be a societal norm.
• 21:17
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: Anyway, that's probably enough about that.
• 21:20
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: I appreciate you listening.
• 21:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone-1: I hope he joined the quiet revolution.