Latest / The Agora / October 29, 2026 — Liars, Losers, and Lousy Presidents
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- 0:24Arthur Kline: Good evening.
- 0:25Welcome to THE AGORA.
- 0:27Tonight — House Democrats' Epstein report on Trump,
- 0:30Israel's deadlock after Trump's Netanyahu endorsement,
- 0:35and Vivek Ramaswamy's ad starring Amy Acton's estranged mother.
- 0:39Plus two lightning rounds.
- 0:41I'm Arthur Kline.
- 0:43It's Thursday, October 29th, 2026.
- 0:45Let's go.
- 0:51Arthur Kline: ISSUE ONE — Democrats' Epstein report.
- 0:54House Judiciary Committee Democrats released a 53-page staff report on October 26,
- 0:59titled "We Have Certain Things in Common, Jeffrey."
- 1:03The report discusses accounts involving 11 women and says five directly accused
- 1:08Trump of rape or sexual assault in Epstein's company or direct physical presence.
- 1:14It calls for an independent special counsel to investigate alleged Trump-Epstein
- 1:19ties and possible Justice Department obstruction,
- 1:22arguing Attorney General Todd Blanche is conflicted because he previously served as
- 1:28Trump's personal attorney.
- 1:30The White House rejected the allegations as untrue and characterized the report as
- 1:36largely recycling claims already public.
- 1:38Sloane, is this the case for an independent special counsel,
- 1:42or opposition research with footnotes?
- 1:46Sloane Barrett: Neither, Arthur, because the remedy they're demanding doesn't exist.
- 1:50Under the Justice Department's own special counsel rules,
- 1:54Part 600 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations,
- 1:57the attorney general appoints the counsel, writes the mandate,
- 2:01and can fire the counsel.
- 2:03So the cure for a conflicted Todd Blanche is...
- 2:06Todd Blanche choosing the investigator.
- 2:08Bold.
- 2:09The truly independent model was the independent counsel law in the Ethics in
- 2:14Government Act.
- 2:15The Supreme Court upheld it in Morrison v.
- 2:18Olson over Justice Scalia's lone dissent warning of a prosecutor answerable to no
- 2:23one,
- 2:23and Congress let it die after Ken Starr's investigation of Bill Clinton.
- 2:28Congress has subpoenas, hearings, and impeachment.
- 2:31Demanding someone else do Congress's job isn't oversight — it's outsourcing.
- 2:36Grant Mercer: Hold on, Sloane— Congress can't indict anybody.
- 2:39Subpoenas produce hearings, not prosecutions.
- 2:42And even a Blanche-appointed counsel changes the math:
- 2:45if Blanche fires the investigator, he does it in public,
- 2:49and the firing becomes the story.
- 2:52Arthur Kline: Hearings, not handcuffs.
- 2:53That's Grant's point.
- 2:55Eli, if Congress can't prosecute, what is this report for besides the midterms?
- 3:01Eli Navarro: Hearings, not handcuffs, gets it exactly backwards, Arthur.
- 3:04Nobody indicted Richard Nixon while he was president,
- 3:07and congressional hearings ended his presidency anyway.
- 3:10The Senate Watergate Committee, a select panel with zero power to prosecute,
- 3:14is where a White House aide revealed the Oval Office taping system,
- 3:18and those tapes finished him.
- 3:19Nixon didn't leave in handcuffs; he left in a helicopter.
- 3:22So the point of this report is the public record: the foundation for subpoenas,
- 3:27criminal referrals, and, if it comes to that, impeachment.
- 3:30And the White House defense that it's all recycled public claims?
- 3:34Channeling my inner Yogi: it's old news nobody's investigated yet.
- 3:37If that evidence has sat in public view and Blanche's Justice Department still
- 3:42hasn't touched it,
- 3:43that's not a rebuttal.
- 3:44That's the obstruction allegation, notarized.
- 3:46Nora Kessler: Wait, no, Eli— the committee found the tapes, but it didn't get them.
- 3:51A special prosecutor's subpoena did, enforced in United States v.
- 3:56Nixon, where the Supreme Court ordered them turned over.
- 3:59Watergate argues for a prosecutor.
- 4:02Sloane Barrett: Nora skipped a chapter, Arthur.
- 4:04The first Watergate prosecutor, Archibald Cox,
- 4:07was appointed by the attorney general under a Justice Department regulation,
- 4:11exactly the model Democrats want now,
- 4:13and Nixon had him fired in the Saturday Night Massacre,
- 4:17when the attorney general and his deputy resigned rather than carry out the order.
- 4:21His successor, Leon Jaworski, won United States v.
- 4:24Nixon only after congressional leaders extracted a promise that he couldn't be
- 4:29fired without their agreement,
- 4:31while the House Judiciary Committee drafted articles of impeachment.
- 4:35So the prosecutor survived because Congress stood behind him with a loaded gavel.
- 4:39That's not an argument for outsourcing to Todd Blanche's hire.
- 4:43That's an argument for Congress doing the hard part itself.
- 4:47Arthur Kline: So Sloane's Watergate model depended on an attorney general's spine, not a statute.
- 4:53Grant, does Todd Blanche have one?
- 4:55Grant Mercer: Wrong question, Arthur, and conservatives should be the first to say so.
- 4:59A system that runs on one man's spine isn't a system.
- 5:03It's a prayer.
- 5:04Asking whether Trump's former personal lawyer will bravely investigate his former
- 5:09client is like asking the defense attorney if he'd mind switching tables.
- 5:13I'm going to get yelled at by my own side for this,
- 5:16but this president's own first term supplies the precedent.
- 5:20Jeff Sessions, his first attorney general,
- 5:22recused himself from the Russia investigation, and his deputy, Rod Rosenstein,
- 5:27appointed Robert Mueller.
- 5:29So the answer to Sloane's objection that Blanche picks the investigator is simple:
- 5:34he shouldn't.
- 5:34He should recuse.
- 5:35And if he won't step aside from his own client's case,
- 5:39that refusal answers your question.
- 5:41Nora Kessler: No, Grant— recusal is voluntary too.
- 5:43You just called a system that runs on one man's spine a prayer,
- 5:48then prayed for Blanche to recuse.
- 5:50And Sessions's reward for recusing was the president demanding his resignation.
- 5:55Grant Mercer: Hold on, Nora— recusal isn't a prayer, it's a rule.
- 5:59Part 45 of Title 28, the Justice Department's recusal regulation,
- 6:03bars officials from investigating anyone they have a personal relationship with.
- 6:08Sessions followed it, got berated, and Mueller finished anyway.
- 6:13Arthur Kline: A rule nobody enforces is a suggestion with a citation.
- 6:16Nora, does Grant's regulation actually force Blanche off this case?
- 6:21Nora Kessler: No, Arthur, it doesn't,
- 6:23because nobody sits above the attorney general to enforce it.
- 6:27Part 45 does bar officials from investigating someone they have a personal
- 6:31relationship with,
- 6:33but at the top of the department the official judges his own case,
- 6:37after consulting ethics staff whose advice he's free to ignore.
- 6:41That's not hypothetical: Matthew Whitaker,
- 6:44Trump's acting attorney general during the Mueller investigation,
- 6:48was advised by ethics officials to step aside, and he declined.
- 6:52That's a pitcher calling his own balls and strikes.
- 6:55And Mueller finishing proves less than it seems, since the next attorney general,
- 7:00Bill Barr, characterized the report before the public saw it.
- 7:04The only enforcer left is the one Sloane named, Congress,
- 7:08which is why this report matters as a record, not a remedy.
- 7:12Eli Navarro: Come on, Nora— "a record, not a remedy" is a false dichotomy.
- 7:15When Congress is the only enforcer, the record IS the remedy.
- 7:19Impeachment runs on evidence,
- 7:21and evidence always starts as paperwork the White House waves away.
- 7:25Arthur Kline: A record nobody acts on is a scrapbook.
- 7:28Grant, is Eli right that a staff report can do a prosecutor's job?
- 7:33Grant Mercer: No, Arthur, because a record still needs an enforcer,
- 7:36and every road here runs back through Todd Blanche.
- 7:39When a witness defies a congressional subpoena,
- 7:42the criminal contempt statute sends Congress's citation to a United States attorney,
- 7:47who works for Blanche.
- 7:49And impeachment needs two-thirds of the Senate to convict,
- 7:52a bar the Senate has never once reached for a president.
- 7:56Eli's theory ends like Chinatown: Jake Gittes, Jack Nicholson's detective,
- 8:00assembles the whole record, knows exactly what Noah Cross did,
- 8:04and Cross still walks, because the men with badges answer to the wrong people.
- 8:09A record without an independent enforcer isn't a remedy.
- 8:12It's a beautifully footnoted loss.
- 8:14Which is the case for the prosecutor, not against him.
- 8:17Nora Kessler: Grant, that's absurd— your own argument sinks your prosecutor.
- 8:22Under the special counsel rules, Blanche appoints, scopes,
- 8:25and fires that counsel too.
- 8:27So your prosecutor is just one more badge answering to the wrong people.
- 8:32Grant Mercer: Come on, Nora— Blanche can't fire at will.
- 8:35Part 600 permits removal only for cause, like misconduct,
- 8:39and he must explain it to both Judiciary Committees.
- 8:42Fire my prosecutor, and he hands Congress Exhibit A.
- 8:46Arthur Kline: Enough.
- 8:46Democrats want a referee, the White House calls it a rerun,
- 8:50and the files keep their own counsel.
- 8:54Arthur Kline: ISSUE TWO — Israel's election deadlock.
- 8:57President Trump endorsed Benjamin Netanyahu on October 18,
- 9:02nine days before Israel's October 27 parliamentary election.
- 9:06With nearly 86 percent of votes counted on the morning of October 28,
- 9:11Netanyahu's bloc was projected at 53 Knesset seats and the opposition bloc led by
- 9:17Gadi Eisenkot at 48,
- 9:19both short of the 61 needed for a majority.
- 9:22Preliminary projections put the Arab parties at 17 seats, a historic high,
- 9:28with counting still underway.
- 9:30After the vote,
- 9:31Trump credited his endorsement with helping Netanyahu and said a tie is "sort of
- 9:37considered a win."
- 9:38Eli, Trump endorsed Netanyahu, then called a tie "sort of considered a win."
- 9:44Did that endorsement move votes, or just the goalposts?
- 9:49Eli Navarro: Neither, Arthur, because the question assumes this election was about Donald Trump.
- 9:53Netanyahu's bloc fell short of a majority,
- 9:56and the President calling a tie "sort of considered a win" is grading his own
- 10:00endorsement on a curve he drew himself.
- 10:02My own Yogi-ism for it: a tie's a win for you,
- 10:05as long as it isn't a win for the other guy.
- 10:07But the goalpost fight misses the real story:
- 10:10the Arab parties' historic seventeen seats.
- 10:12Arab citizens of Israel, voters both American parties treat as scenery,
- 10:16are now the arithmetic.
- 10:17Eisenkot can't reach sixty-one without dealing with them,
- 10:20and Netanyahu can't reach it while they hold that ground.
- 10:24Trump didn't move this map.
- 10:25The voters Washington never courts did.
- 10:27Sloane Barrett: Eli, that's absurd— you just told us this election wasn't about Washington,
- 10:32then scolded Washington for never courting Israeli voters.
- 10:36They're Israel's citizens, not an American swing district.
- 10:39Courting foreign electorates is exactly what Trump's endorsement did.
- 10:43Eli Navarro: Wait, no, Sloane— I never said Washington should campaign for Israeli votes.
- 10:48I said Washington ignores them when it maps Israeli politics.
- 10:52Trump courted one bloc and got a deadlock;
- 10:54the Arab voters Washington never counted now hold the balance.
- 10:58Nora Kessler: Eli's arithmetic holds, Arthur, but his conclusion doesn't follow:
- 11:03holding the balance only matters if someone will accept your votes.
- 11:07On paper, Eisenkot's bloc plus the Arab parties clears the sixty-one-seat majority.
- 11:13Yet only once has an Arab party actually joined an Israeli governing coalition,
- 11:18Mansour Abbas's Ra'am in 2021,
- 11:20and that government collapsed before finishing its term.
- 11:24So the Arab parties' historic haul is a deep bench,
- 11:27and a bench doesn't score unless the coach sends it in.
- 11:31Whether Eisenkot's partners will sit in a government that depends on Arab votes is
- 11:36the entire question,
- 11:37and nobody in Washington can answer it for them.
- 11:41The kingmaker here isn't Trump or the Arab parties;
- 11:44it's whichever opposition partner first decides those votes are acceptable.
- 11:49Sloane Barrett: Come on, Nora— that bench isn't Eisenkot's to send in.
- 11:53Those seventeen seats belong to separate Arab parties with their own coaches,
- 11:58and in 2021 only Ra'am chose to play.
- 12:01The veto runs both directions.
- 12:03Nora Kessler: Sloane, that's absurd— a veto running both ways proves my point, not yours.
- 12:08And nobody has to join the cabinet:
- 12:10Yitzhak Rabin won Knesset approval for the Oslo peace accords on Arab parties' votes
- 12:16from outside his coalition.
- 12:18Sloane Barrett: Rabin is the cautionary tale, Arthur, not the precedent Nora thinks he is.
- 12:23When Yitzhak Rabin, then Israel's prime minister, passed the Oslo accords,
- 12:27the interim peace deals with the Palestinians,
- 12:30on Arab parties' votes from outside his coalition,
- 12:33the right branded the accords illegitimate for lacking a Jewish majority,
- 12:38and that charge fueled the backlash that followed.
- 12:41Outside votes can carry a bill; they can't carry a mandate.
- 12:45And the man that backlash carried into the prime minister's office at the very next
- 12:50election was a fellow named Benjamin Netanyahu.
- 12:53Three decades later he's still at the table, and LL Cool J called it:
- 12:57Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years / I'm rocking my peers,
- 13:02puttin' suckers in fear.
- 13:03Eisenkot can borrow Rabin's arithmetic.
- 13:05He'd just be handing Netanyahu Rabin's opposition campaign along with it.
- 13:10Eli Navarro: Hold on, Sloane— Rabin wasn't voted out.
- 13:12He was assassinated by a far-right extremist whom that "no Jewish majority" campaign
- 13:17helped inflame.
- 13:18Treating the smear as political gravity hands it a veto over seventeen Arab seats.
- 13:23Sloane Barrett: Wait, no, Eli— I never said Rabin was voted out.
- 13:26I said the backlash won the next election: Shimon Peres, Rabin's successor,
- 13:32lost to Netanyahu.
- 13:33Naming the smear's power isn't endorsing it;
- 13:36ignoring it is how Eisenkot repeats Peres's defeat.
- 13:40Arthur Kline: History lesson accepted: the smear lost the vote, then won the election.
- 13:45Grant, does branding an Arab-backed coalition illegitimate work again?
- 13:50Grant Mercer: Only if the opposition flinches first, Arthur,
- 13:53and Peres's defeat proves less than Sloane claims.
- 13:57Peres lost by a whisker, after a spring of Hamas suicide bombings in Israeli cities;
- 14:02security sank him as much as any smear about Jewish majorities.
- 14:06And the smear has already lost once: in 2021,
- 14:09Mansour Abbas's Ra'am sat inside the government itself, and Israel didn't end.
- 14:14The coalition collapsed the way Israeli coalitions always do.
- 14:18Netanyahu's camp replaying the Rabin backlash is Hitchcock's Vertigo:
- 14:22Jimmy Stewart's detective forcing a new woman into the dead woman's gray suit and
- 14:28blond hair,
- 14:28demanding the past come back.
- 14:30It only works if Eisenkot agrees to wear the costume.
- 14:34If he treats Arab votes as votes, the branding is just bad tailoring.
- 14:38Eli Navarro: No, but Grant— you've made Eisenkot the only one with a choice.
- 14:42Arab parties holding seventeen seats set terms too: equal funding for Arab towns,
- 14:47repeal of the Nation-State Law demoting Arabic.
- 14:50They're negotiators, not his favor to grant.
- 14:53Arthur Kline: Seventeen seats is a veto, not a favor.
- 14:56Nora, can Eisenkot meet Eli's price list and still hold a coalition?
- 15:01Nora Kessler: Setting terms requires a second bidder, Arthur, and the Arab parties don't have one.
- 15:07Netanyahu's far-right partners vetoed Ra'am the last time he tried.
- 15:11A free agent with exactly one suitor doesn't get to name his number.
- 15:16So Eisenkot can meet half of Eli's list.
- 15:18Equal funding for Arab towns is money, and money splits;
- 15:22budgets and policing for Arab communities are what Mansour Abbas's Ra'am bargained
- 15:27for in 2021.
- 15:28Repealing the Nation-State Law is different,
- 15:31since a repeal vote hands every hawk in Eisenkot's bloc a reason to walk.
- 15:36Nothing steadies a fragile coalition like asking its right flank to vote on Jewish
- 15:41identity.
- 15:42Budgets now, symbolism later — that's the deal that survives.
- 15:46Arthur Kline: A kingmaker with exactly one candidate is just a campaign volunteer.
- 15:51Eli, defend the idea that the Arab parties have any leverage at all.
- 15:55Eli Navarro: The one-suitor framing misreads the market, Arthur.
- 15:58A free agent with one suitor is weak only if the suitor has other options,
- 16:02and Eisenkot doesn't.
- 16:03His bloc sits short of the sixty-one-seat majority with no path there except through
- 16:08those seventeen Arab seats,
- 16:10inside the cabinet or out.
- 16:11Economists call that a bilateral monopoly: one buyer, one seller,
- 16:15and neither walks away without walking into another election.
- 16:18And the outside-support model Nora raised is leverage, not weakness:
- 16:22support you lend on one budget vote is support you can recall on the next.
- 16:26Nothing concentrates a prime minister's mind on funding for Arab towns like a
- 16:30confidence vote on Tuesday.
- 16:32What everyone at this table has missed is that the veto IS the leverage.
- 16:36Sloane Barrett: Eli, seriously— recall that support and the government falls, Israel votes again,
- 16:41and Netanyahu gets another shot.
- 16:43A veto you can only use by reviving the man you're vetoing isn't leverage.
- 16:48It's a ransom note where you're the hostage.
- 16:51Arthur Kline: The President calls a tie "sort of a win."
- 16:54By that standard, all four of you just triumphed, in four different directions.
- 17:00Arthur Kline: ISSUE THREE — Ohio's family-feud ad.
- 17:03Vivek Ramaswamy's campaign confirmed on October 20 that it produced the ad featuring
- 17:09Amy Acton's estranged mother,
- 17:11Donna Arthur,
- 17:12and would spend $4 million to promote it on television and streaming platforms.
- 17:17In the 60-second ad,
- 17:19Arthur calls Acton a liar and urges voters not to elect her governor.
- 17:24Court records show Acton's stepfather was charged with raping her in 1978,
- 17:29when she was 12, and Acton has said she has not seen her mother since.
- 17:34On October 22,
- 17:35President Donald Trump called the ad "very powerful" and urged Ramaswamy to keep
- 17:40running it.
- 17:41Grant,
- 17:42Vivek Ramaswamy put Amy Acton's estranged mother on television in the Ohio
- 17:47governor's race
- 17:48— legitimate character testimony, or a new low in opposition research?
- 17:53Grant Mercer: Arthur, that menu is missing the real answer: this isn't opposition research at all.
- 17:59Opposition research digs up a candidate's record;
- 18:02this digs up a twelve-year-old's worst year and buys television time for it.
- 18:08And the story isn't Ramaswamy anymore,
- 18:10because the President and the Vice President signed their names to it.
- 18:15My party has written itself a scene from The Manchurian Candidate,
- 18:19where Angela Lansbury plays a mother who treats her own son as a campaign
- 18:24instrument,
- 18:25and she was the villain.
- 18:27It isn't even working.
- 18:28A Republican group's internal poll of 800 likely Ohio voters, October 23 to 26,
- 18:34has Acton leading 50 to 42, up from 47 to 45 in that same poll earlier this month.
- 18:39Cruelty and incompetence, in one sixty-second package.
- 18:44Arthur Kline: Grant says this isn't oppo research;
- 18:46it's buying airtime on a twelve-year-old's worst year.
- 18:50Defend it as fair game, Sloane, if you can.
- 18:53Sloane Barrett: I can't, Arthur,
- 18:54and calling this something other than opposition research actually flatters the ad.
- 19:00Character testimony is classic opposition research;
- 19:03campaigns have always put a witness on camera to call the candidate a liar.
- 19:08What's missing is cross-examination.
- 19:11The Sixth Amendment's Confrontation Clause guarantees anyone accused in court the
- 19:16right to question the witness against them,
- 19:19because untested testimony is the oldest weapon there is.
- 19:23And Acton can only rebut her estranged mother by reliving 1978 on statewide
- 19:28television.
- 19:29That's not testimony — it's an ambush with a four-million-dollar media buy.
- 19:34André 3000 cut the only song about a mother worth airing,
- 19:38an apology to his ex's mom: I'm sorry Ms.
- 19:41Jackson (oh),
- 19:42I am for real / Never meant to make your daughter cry / I apologize a trillion
- 19:47times.
- 19:47Ramaswamy owes Acton an apology, not a sequel.
- 19:51Nora Kessler: No, Sloane— campaigns don't need a Confrontation Clause,
- 19:54because voters cross-examine for free.
- 19:57Acton's eight-point lead in that Republican group's poll is the verdict,
- 20:02and even Nikki Haley, the former South Carolina governor,
- 20:05called Ramaswamy "a bad guy."
- 20:08Eli Navarro: Free?
- 20:08Arthur, the cross-examination Nora describes isn't free; Amy Acton pays for it,
- 20:12in the only currency a four-million-dollar media buy can't refund:
- 20:16reliving what happened to her at twelve on statewide television.
- 20:20And an internal poll from a Republican group isn't a verdict.
- 20:23Verdicts arrive on Election Day,
- 20:25and a jury that hears the prosecution for sixty seconds on every channel and the
- 20:30defense only in news clips isn't deliberating on even terms.
- 20:33Worse, a verdict on the ad's effectiveness is not a verdict on its decency.
- 20:38The President called it "very powerful" and the Vice President told critics to stop
- 20:42whining.
- 20:43If cruelty is punished only when it underperforms,
- 20:46the lesson for every campaign is better cruelty.
- 20:48That's not accountability, it's market research.
- 20:51Sloane Barrett: Fair, Eli, but— decency isn't a poll result,
- 20:54it's a choice Republicans make out loud.
- 20:58Justice Brandeis, concurring in Whitney v.
- 21:01California, prescribed the remedy for bad speech: more speech.
- 21:06So, on the record: that ad is indecent.
- 21:09Arthur Kline: More speech.
- 21:10Brandeis never priced a four-million-dollar ad buy.
- 21:14Grant, must Republicans condemn this out loud, as Sloane insists?
- 21:19Grant Mercer: Saying it out loud is the cheapest thing a Republican can do, Arthur,
- 21:23and Brandeis's prescription doesn't fit.
- 21:25His remedy was more speech instead of government censorship,
- 21:29and nobody here is proposing censorship.
- 21:32Talk is in plentiful supply: Nikki Haley called Ramaswamy a bad guy,
- 21:36the President called the ad very powerful,
- 21:39and the four-million-dollar buy keeps airing.
- 21:42Sloane's on-the-record condemnation is lovely, and it costs exactly nothing.
- 21:46The real test is what Ohio Republicans do with their wallets and their calendars.
- 21:51Stop funding the media buy, skip the joint rallies,
- 21:55and refuse to share a stage until the ad comes down.
- 21:58A party that condemns the ad and then campaigns beside the man who paid for it isn't
- 22:03taking a stand.
- 22:04It's issuing a press release.
- 22:06Nora Kessler: Grant, stop right there— Ohio Republicans can't defund a buy they aren't paying for,
- 22:11because Ramaswamy's own campaign is spending the four million dollars.
- 22:15The only leverage left belongs to the President and Vice President,
- 22:20and they're applauding.
- 22:21Eli Navarro: Nora has the money flowing backwards, Arthur.
- 22:24Ramaswamy's campaign doesn't print its own cash.
- 22:26Every dollar of that four-million-dollar buy came from donors,
- 22:29and many of them are Ohio Republicans who can stop writing checks tomorrow.
- 22:33Campaigns spend money; donors decide whether there's any left to spend.
- 22:37The leverage doesn't stop at checkbooks either:
- 22:39county party chairs control volunteers and door-knocking lists,
- 22:43and down-ballot Republicans decide whether they share a stage with him.
- 22:46Nothing persuades a candidate faster than a fundraiser where nobody shows up.
- 22:50Nora's right that the President and Vice President are applauding,
- 22:54but that's precisely why Ohio Republicans matter.
- 22:56If the only people with leverage are the ones cheering,
- 22:59then the silence from everyone below them is a choice, not a constraint.
- 23:03Sloane Barrett: Eli, please— Ramaswamy's campaign already committed to that four-million-dollar buy.
- 23:09Donors can't un-write a check,
- 23:11and an empty fundraiser won't pull a single ad off the air.
- 23:14Your leverage shows up after Ohio has watched the damage.
- 23:19Grant Mercer: Sloane has the mechanics wrong, Arthur: a committed buy isn't an aired buy.
- 23:23Television time is reserved week by week,
- 23:25and a campaign can cancel or swap out the spots that haven't aired yet,
- 23:29which campaigns do routinely when an ad backfires.
- 23:32And donors may not be able to un-write a check,
- 23:35but they can decline to write the next one,
- 23:37the one that pays for the final week of door-knocking and turnout.
- 23:41Here's what the whole table has missed: the audience for this fight isn't just Ohio.
- 23:46The President and Vice President just told every campaign in the country this tactic
- 23:51is pre-approved.
- 23:52If Ohio Republicans shrug because the money's already spent,
- 23:55the next campaign will simply spend it earlier.
- 23:58Nora Kessler: Grant, hang on— canceling unaired spots is Ramaswamy's call alone,
- 24:03and he's seen the backfire.
- 24:04That Republican group's poll shows Acton's lead widening,
- 24:08and the President is cheering him on.
- 24:11He's reading Trump, not the scoreboard.
- 24:14Arthur Kline: And now, The Herald — with Simone Hargrove.
- 24:19Simone Hargrove: This is The Herald — the week beyond the table.
- 24:22On October 27,
- 24:23a federal judge halted the administration's planned changes to East Potomac Park and
- 24:29its golf course in Washington,
- 24:31D.C., for lack of required notice.
- 24:34The President says he'll appeal.
- 24:36President Trump also announced an end to a Biden-era methane rule for oil and gas
- 24:42drilling.
- 24:42The administration says it will save billions of dollars and could unlock about two
- 24:48hundred ten million barrels of oil. U.S.
- 24:51Southern Command struck a boat in the eastern Pacific that the administration says
- 24:57was smuggling drugs.
- 24:58Five people were killed.
- 25:00The Conference Board's consumer confidence index jumped to 91.7 in October,
- 25:06from 84.2 in September.
- 25:07The release, welcomed by President Trump,
- 25:10came a week before the November 3 midterms.
- 25:13Rainstorms flooded the Four Corners states.
- 25:16Thousands of people have been displaced.
- 25:19In New Mexico, damage estimates reach hundreds of millions of dollars,
- 25:24including at the Shiprock wastewater treatment plant.
- 25:28On October 28, U.S.
- 25:29District Judge J.
- 25:31Michael Seabright ruled Bill Essayli is not legally serving as top federal
- 25:36prosecutor in Los Angeles.
- 25:38That complicates the administration's push to keep acting U.S.
- 25:42attorneys beyond one hundred twenty days without Senate confirmation.
- 25:47From beyond the table — I'm Simone Hargrove.
- 25:50The Agora continues.
- 25:53Arthur Kline: ISSUE FOUR — LIGHTNING ROUND — the Cheesecake Factory wars.
- 25:58On October 24, at a Michigan campaign rally,
- 26:01former President Barack Obama compared President Trump's White House renovations to
- 26:07Saddam Hussein opening a Cheesecake Factory.
- 26:10On October 27,
- 26:11the White House posted an AI-generated Cheesecake Factory-style menu featuring "The
- 26:17Border Security Special" and "The American Energy Feast."
- 26:21Sloane, Obama mocked Trump's White House decor,
- 26:24and the administration answered with a fake menu.
- 26:27Who's winning the dessert course?
- 26:30Sloane Barrett: Neither side is winning dessert, Arthur.
- 26:33Obama spent a Michigan rally on interior design days before the midterms,
- 26:38and the White House answered with a menu written by a computer.
- 26:42Madison gave us the Federalist Papers;
- 26:45this White House gives us "The Border Security Special."
- 26:49The only winner is the Cheesecake Factory itself,
- 26:52which just reported record third-quarter revenue of $1,033.4 million for the quarter
- 26:58ended September 29,
- 26:59up from $907.2 million a year earlier.
- 27:02Both parties are running ads for a restaurant, and neither one is getting paid.
- 27:08Grant Mercer: Sloane, back up— that record quarter closed September 29,
- 27:11a month before Obama's punchline.
- 27:13That's post hoc reasoning with whipped cream.
- 27:16The free ad came October 26,
- 27:18when Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent dined at a Washington Cheesecake Factory.
- 27:24Arthur Kline: Grant's verdict: the cheesecake sold before the joke was told.
- 27:28Nora, prove the punchline moved a single slice.
- 27:32Nora Kessler: Grant's calendar cuts both ways, Arthur:
- 27:34a quarter that closed September 29 can't prove the joke moved nothing,
- 27:39because it never measured the joke.
- 27:41His own counter-fact is my evidence — Bessent ate there two days after Obama's line.
- 27:46That's your slice.
- 27:47Then the White House posted its own menu, which is the Butt Fumble,
- 27:51Mark Sanchez running into his own lineman on Thanksgiving 2012 and fumbling:
- 27:56a self-inflicted blunder that becomes the whole highlight reel.
- 28:00Obama told the joke once.
- 28:01The administration keeps retelling it.
- 28:04Eli Navarro: Nora, seriously— one Treasury Secretary's lunch is your evidence?
- 28:08That's a sample size of one slice.
- 28:10And the menu's no Butt Fumble: Sanchez never meant to hit his lineman.
- 28:14The White House drafted, approved, and posted theirs on purpose.
- 28:18Nora Kessler: Eli's counting the wrong customers, Arthur.
- 28:21I never claimed the joke sold cheesecake.
- 28:24I claimed it baited the administration,
- 28:26and a sample of one is plenty when that one is the Treasury Secretary.
- 28:31Intent doesn't rescue the menu either: a blunder you draft, approve,
- 28:35and post is still self-inflicted, just with sign-off.
- 28:39On October 26,
- 28:39the President himself told reporters on his way to a Mississippi rally that Obama's
- 28:45comparison showed why he was a "lousy president."
- 28:48Nothing keeps a punchline alive like the target retelling it.
- 28:52Sloane Barrett: Nora, really—
- 28:53you just told us Bessent's lunch was "your slice," and now you never claimed the
- 28:58joke sold cheesecake?
- 28:59That's not a rebuttal, it's a menu substitution.
- 29:02Pick one dish and stand behind it.
- 29:04Nora Kessler: Sloane, nonsense— it's one dish.
- 29:06Bessent's lunch proved the bait was taken, not that cheesecake sold,
- 29:11because the Treasury Secretary is the administration.
- 29:15Three bites at one hook: Bessent, the President, the White House menu.
- 29:20Eli Navarro: Nora has the fish and the fisherman reversed, Arthur.
- 29:23Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent didn't nibble at anything on October 26.
- 29:27He ate at that Washington Cheesecake Factory and urged what he called the "Martha's
- 29:32Vineyard set" to try it,
- 29:33turning Obama's joke into a class-war counterpunch.
- 29:36A former hedge-fund manager lecturing Martha's Vineyard about snobbery is rich,
- 29:41in every sense.
- 29:42But three casts of the same line on purpose isn't a fumble.
- 29:45It's a strategy: make Obama the elitist, and nobody asks about the renovations.
- 29:50Sloane Barrett: Eli, slow down—
- 29:51you can't bury the renovations by retelling the renovation joke three times.
- 29:56Every fake menu is a free rerun of Obama's punchline.
- 30:00That's not changing the subject — that's syndicating it.
- 30:04Arthur Kline: Enough.
- 30:05Obama tells the joke, the White House runs into its own lineman,
- 30:09and the only winner sells cheesecake.
- 30:13Arthur Kline: ISSUE FIVE — LIGHTNING ROUND — Trump dumps Bill Maher.
- 30:17On October 15, Trump hosted Maher for dinner at the White House, their second,
- 30:23with Kid Rock and Stephen A.
- 30:25Smith at the table.
- 30:26On October 23, Maher described the evening on his HBO show: disagreements, he said,
- 30:32with a host who never lost his temper.
- 30:35On October 25, Trump answered with a 1,323-word Truth Social post,
- 30:40the longest he has written by CNN's count,
- 30:43opening with "complete and total loser" and telling him, near the end, "Bill:
- 30:49Don't call anymore."
- 30:51Nora, two White House dinners,
- 30:53then 1,323 words calling Maher a "complete and total loser."
- 30:57Heartbreak or strategy?
- 31:00Nora Kessler: Heartbreak versus strategy is a false binary, Arthur,
- 31:03because a post that long isn't grief.
- 31:06It's an edit.
- 31:06This is The Last Dance,
- 31:08the 2020 Michael Jordan documentary his own company had final approval over,
- 31:13where every former teammate came out the villain.
- 31:16Trump isn't mourning Maher; he's controlling the recut.
- 31:20Maher's review was that the private Trump never lost his temper,
- 31:24and nine days before the midterms that's the one review this White House can't
- 31:29afford.
- 31:29Gracious doesn't turn out a base.
- 31:32Thirteen hundred words of temper does.
- 31:34Grant Mercer: Nora, back up— that's no recut.
- 31:36He wrote he never watched the show much and never will again,
- 31:40in a post about the show he'd just watched.
- 31:43That isn't an edit.
- 31:44That's a man reading his own reviews.
- 31:46Nora Kessler: Grant, reading the reviews is the edit when you own the channel your voters watch.
- 31:51He disputed the running time, timestamps and all, and the ratings.
- 31:56That's not a wounded host.
- 31:57That's a director's cut.
- 32:00Arthur Kline: A director's cut, timed for the midterms.
- 32:02That's Nora's theory.
- 32:04Sloane, is there a strategy in that post, or just a temper with a keyboard?
- 32:09Sloane Barrett: Nora has a strategy where there's only a receipt, Arthur.
- 32:13The dinners were the strategy:
- 32:15a Republican president sitting twice with HBO's liberal comedian is how you reach
- 32:20the voters who think the party can't take a joke.
- 32:23Maher's review was the payoff: he disagreed on plenty, the 2020 election included,
- 32:28and said the man never lost his temper.
- 32:31Then the man lost it for thirteen hundred words, with HBO thrown in for free,
- 32:36and sold the payoff back for two hours of timestamps.
- 32:39That's not an edit.
- 32:41That's a refund.
- 32:42Eli Navarro: Sloane, honestly— a refund?
- 32:43Read past the insults.
- 32:45He denied turning the briefing room into a swimming pool,
- 32:48then wrote he's "thinking about moving the Press" somewhere else.
- 32:52That's not a review.
- 32:53That's a landlord's notice.
- 32:55Grant Mercer: Eli's landlord is a man thinking out loud, Arthur.
- 32:58The briefing room sits on Franklin Roosevelt's swimming pool because Nixon moved the
- 33:03press once already;
- 33:04this President floated moving them in 2017, and the podium stayed put.
- 33:08But credit where it's due:
- 33:10that one sentence is the only thing in the whole screed that governs anything,
- 33:15and it took a comedian to pry it loose.
- 33:17Republicans on the ballot next Tuesday didn't need the President spending a Sunday
- 33:22reviewing a dinner.
- 33:23They needed him reviewing the economy.
- 33:25Arthur Kline: Grant, save the stump speech.
- 33:28Eli said landlord.
- 33:29Answer him.
- 33:30Grant Mercer: Landlord is the wrong word, Arthur,
- 33:32because a landlord serves notice and this one served a mood.
- 33:36"Thinking about" is not a decision,
- 33:38and the press corps that outlasted Nixon's remodel will outlast a Sunday post.
- 33:43What the post proves is cheaper and worse:
- 33:46the President read a review of himself and answered it point by point —
- 33:50two hours versus four, the ratings —
- 33:53nine days before an election his party is trying to win.
- 33:56That isn't a landlord.
- 33:58It's a man who can't let a comedian have the last word,
- 34:01handing him the whole last week.
- 34:04Arthur Kline: Enough.
- 34:04Heartbreak, strategy, refund, landlord — four words for one Sunday.
- 34:09Now order something, on the record, and live with it.
- 34:15Arthur Kline: Final round.
- 34:16One prediction apiece: specific, falsifiable, pinned to a date or a number.
- 34:21"It could go either way" is a shrug in a necktie, and I'll grade it accordingly. Go.
- 34:28Arthur Kline: Nora Kessler.
- 34:29Nora Kessler: Here's mine, Arthur: on November 3,
- 34:32Amy Acton beats Vivek Ramaswamy for Ohio governor by at least five points.
- 34:37Four million dollars buys a lot of airtime,
- 34:40but it can't buy Ohio voters' sympathy for an ad that relitigates a
- 34:45twelve-year-old's worst year.
- 34:48Arthur Kline: Grant Mercer.
- 34:49Grant Mercer: Sticking with the briefing room, Arthur.
- 34:52By December 31, the White House press corps is still working out of the James S.
- 34:56Brady Press Briefing Room, over Roosevelt's pool,
- 34:59and no relocation has been ordered.
- 35:01A thought on a Sunday isn't a work order, however many words it comes wrapped in.
- 35:07Arthur Kline: Sloane Barrett.
- 35:08Sloane Barrett: My call returns to the Epstein report, Arthur.
- 35:11By December 31,
- 35:12Attorney General Todd Blanche appoints no special counsel to investigate Trump's
- 35:17ties to Jeffrey Epstein,
- 35:19and he doesn't recuse either.
- 35:21Congress will be left holding its subpoenas,
- 35:23which is exactly where the Constitution put the job.
- 35:27Arthur Kline: Eli Navarro.
- 35:29Eli Navarro: Taking us back to Israel, Arthur.
- 35:31By March 31, 2027, Gadi Eisenkot is sworn in as Israel's prime minister,
- 35:36and his government survives its first confidence vote only because Arab parties back
- 35:41it,
- 35:41inside the cabinet or out.
- 35:43Netanyahu will call that sort of a win.
- 35:46Arthur Kline: Acton by five, the press stays put, no special counsel, a Prime Minister Eisenkot.
- 35:52I'll bring the red pen; somebody bring the cheesecake.
- 35:55I'm Arthur Kline.
- 35:57THE AGORA IS ADJOURNED.