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Issue 391: Andor: Season One - The Axe Forgets · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the ned Palty.
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  Speaker 2: Hi. This is Nick and Astasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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  Speaker 2: the Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch. And you
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  Speaker 3: all throughout the galaxy or what we're talking about here
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  Speaker 3: for Star Wars. I am Jedi Master John Mills and
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  Speaker 3: joining me for a discussion about the fifth episode of
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  Speaker 3: and Or season one, Jedi Master Matthew Rushing. Matt, are
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  Speaker 3: you ready to talk about the next chapter in the
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  Speaker 3: Adventures on al Donnie?
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  Speaker 4: Can you pass the blue milk? I need some more
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  Speaker 4: from my course on pops. These are Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 4: they are so good. How are you not eating these
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  Speaker 4: right now?
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  Speaker 1: John?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know I always was more partial to Sithberry.
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  Speaker 3: It's a less popular brand, but I find it's that
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  Speaker 3: little putting the pop rocks inside the cereal to give
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  Speaker 3: you the feeling of force lightning on your tongue. I
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  Speaker 3: really really enjoy it a great deal. But I also
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  Speaker 3: enjoy people going over to Apple Podcasts giving us a
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  Speaker 3: star rating and review. It's so little, so little. We
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  Speaker 3: we're givers. We love to give. We give this show
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  Speaker 3: us a rating and review, or even just a rating.
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  Speaker 3: What do you feel like doing? We appreciate it. Something
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  Speaker 3: else we appreciate is that every so often we come
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  Speaker 3: across a series or a show where the negotiations do
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  Speaker 3: in fact get aggressive. And and Or has been one
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  Speaker 3: of those instances so far. I don't know it's the
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  Speaker 3: Rogue one magic because Rogue one us had us thrown
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  Speaker 3: down with each other, and then you know, the first
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  Speaker 3: arc of and and Or has us thrown down. We
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  Speaker 3: found a little bit more common ground with you know,
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  Speaker 3: episode four of season one, Matt. Okay, So coming in
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  Speaker 3: now we have our bridge episode, our middle episode of
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  Speaker 3: the trilogy. Here, this is our empire strikes back of
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  Speaker 3: the al Donni trilogy coming into it. Were you looking
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  Speaker 3: forward to hitting this episode? Did it hit the same notes?
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  Speaker 3: Let's get us started here?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what I find personally interesting about this
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  Speaker 4: episode is the way in which, because we're doing this
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  Speaker 4: heist on Al Donnie and you know, the beginning episode
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  Speaker 4: for this which was titled Al Donnie, we don't actually
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  Speaker 4: really get to spend a ton of time there with
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  Speaker 4: the entire crew that's going to be trying to pull
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  Speaker 4: off this heist, and so this episode really allows us
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  Speaker 4: to kind of get an opportunity to know them. And
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  Speaker 4: in some ways, I think what makes this episode most
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  Speaker 4: fascinating and most important to the series is it really
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  Speaker 4: introduces us to the key theme of the entire series,
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  Speaker 4: which is that everybody has their own rebellion, and so
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  Speaker 4: that every single person who is in the rebellion has
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  Speaker 4: a reason for which they have turned on the Empire.
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  Speaker 4: And to me, that's incredibly interesting because it's so true, right, like,
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  Speaker 4: we all have our different reasons for joining things or
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  Speaker 4: being a part of things, and especially something of this magnitude.
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  Speaker 4: And so that's the thing that really stood out to me,
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  Speaker 4: especially in rewatching this episode and then on you know,
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  Speaker 4: on top of that, I think the other thing that
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  Speaker 4: really stands out is the fact that you have Keras
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  Speaker 4: is you know, talking about you know, his basically dissertation
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  Speaker 4: his manifesto about rebellion, and the thoughts that he has
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  Speaker 4: are incredibly interesting as to why he believes the Empire
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  Speaker 4: has been able to sustain power so easily for so long.
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  Speaker 4: And those are the two things in this episode that
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  Speaker 4: really always jump out to me in a rewatch. And again,
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  Speaker 4: I think in some ways those both kind of come
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  Speaker 4: out the the idea of rebellion in different ways, because
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  Speaker 4: you know, the whole manifesto idea allows us to be
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  Speaker 4: able to have an understanding as to why people have
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  Speaker 4: finally gotten wise to the Empire, which has led them
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  Speaker 4: to have their own rebellious reasons for actually joining something
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  Speaker 4: more formal.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And so I don't know, what about what about you?
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  Speaker 2: With this episode?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was looking forward to seeing it because you know,
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  Speaker 3: as everybody knows by this point who's been listening, you
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  Speaker 3: know my struggles with the first three fourth one. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay, cool, I'm digging what's going on here.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't love the fact that we spent time with uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Captain Tight Outfit the Ciral two Shoes, Yeah, Cyril,
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  Speaker 3: that's the guy, which is weird.
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  Speaker 4: They cereal, And so I wonder if that's how they
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  Speaker 4: named him in all honesty, probably so probably it sounds
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  Speaker 4: like George would have done right, Like that's a completely
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  Speaker 4: George Lucas naming convention, like.
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  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, or you ask a kid what they
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  Speaker 3: call a corn fitter exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that, Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I was, you know, looking forward to coming into this.
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  Speaker 3: And I understand and appreciate everything you're saying about everybody
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  Speaker 3: having their own reason for rebellion, and I think that
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  Speaker 3: is very important when you're seeing something coming together like
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  Speaker 3: this and not everybody's coming together for this monolithic cause
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  Speaker 3: it's too easy for now. You know, the movies are big,
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  Speaker 3: The movies are supposed to act like fairy tales. The
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  Speaker 3: good guys are the good guys, the bad guys are
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  Speaker 3: the bad guys. And the shows are where you start
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  Speaker 3: to get into the gray area and explore a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more of you know, quote unquote real life, what
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  Speaker 3: it's like for average people. All of that positive said,
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  Speaker 3: I had struggles with this episode again with the way
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  Speaker 3: that it intercut certain things. I just don't care for
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  Speaker 3: following Cyril's story, and it's when he was on screen.
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  Speaker 3: I remember the first time I saw it, I thought
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  Speaker 3: that the cereal was clever. I thought that was cute.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that having recognizable fruits on the table that
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  Speaker 3: she pushes over toward him was cute seeing a you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's the product of a domineering mother. Okay, that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't like following the character, and I would
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  Speaker 3: have preferred if this episode had stayed much more focused
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  Speaker 3: and Cyril doesn't get a lot of screen time here.
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  Speaker 1: That's the funny thing.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like such a a weird thing to quibble about,
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  Speaker 3: but I would have preferred a different rhythm with Dedra
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  Speaker 3: and maybe even spending a little more time with Isb,
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  Speaker 3: because that's more relevant to what's going on on Aldonni
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  Speaker 3: at this point. No, her sitting there and everything going
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  Speaker 3: on with the ISB way more relevant with my A
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  Speaker 3: plot over here, and so the C plot is yet again,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, do I really have to be here
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  Speaker 3: with this right now?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: I mean I this is a place where I think
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  Speaker 4: we agree, and part of that is both of us
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  Speaker 4: also knowing that in the future in this season, we
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  Speaker 4: still I don't feel like completely understand as why we're
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  Speaker 4: following this character right Like, there's no clear answer by
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  Speaker 4: the end of this season, and so I'm with you,
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad he got little screen time. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: in some ways it is kind of a fascinating thing
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  Speaker 4: just to watch, because, like you said, he's got this
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  Speaker 4: dominating mother, and he's got this you know, he can
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  Speaker 4: never do anything to blease her enough, and so he's
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  Speaker 4: basically just kind of fed up with her in that sense.
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  Speaker 4: And it also, I mean, the one aspect that does
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  Speaker 4: make him somewhat interesting is the way in which, you know,
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  Speaker 4: his mom doesn't really care what he's involved in. She
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  Speaker 4: just wants to look good as a byproduct of whatever
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  Speaker 4: he's involved in. So he could be an imperial agent,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he was obviously corporate security, all this stuff,
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  Speaker 4: and so I do find that to be an interesting idea.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't necessarily think this. This is probably the
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  Speaker 4: only place in this season where.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it.
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  Speaker 4: It never quite comes together, I don't think, and even
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  Speaker 4: in this episode, of course, and I also don't I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if maybe it's just executed well enough to
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  Speaker 4: maybe bring home those salient points that I'm kind of
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  Speaker 4: thinking of. But that's also because I've seen the show
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  Speaker 4: a few times now, and so no. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: can't really disagree with you. I think you're in, you know,
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  Speaker 4: completely right about this. It's just a strange storyline that
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  Speaker 4: never quite seems to gel with all the other storylines,
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  Speaker 4: which very much seem to intercut perfectly right, you know,
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  Speaker 4: as you watch all of these different characters and their
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  Speaker 4: struggles either in the Imperial system or you know, working
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  Speaker 4: to fight against it on different levels, and the reasons why,
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  Speaker 4: and those things all inter so well, and then you
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  Speaker 4: have this story of the guy just trying to you know,
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  Speaker 4: just a simple guy trying to make his way into universe.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not all that exciting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is, we all know that everybody
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  Speaker 3: on the face of the planet loves to play sort
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  Speaker 3: of like phantom writer's room. It's like, well, if I
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  Speaker 3: were in the writer's room, this is what I would
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  Speaker 3: have said. But I can honestly tell you keeps hero
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  Speaker 3: on the show. Fine, keep him on Ferys and have
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  Speaker 3: him become the butt of people's jokes. Have him also
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  Speaker 3: go through some some sort of like PTSD stuff from
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  Speaker 3: the battle where you see him shaken to his core.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't know what he believes anymore. The ISB shows
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  Speaker 3: up treats him like dirt, and then he is trying
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  Speaker 3: to screw up the courage to like, you know, shake
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  Speaker 3: it off and become a person again. And then ironically
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  Speaker 3: he saves Ddre at the end because he's trying to
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  Speaker 3: be a hero, and it's like, that's I think that's
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  Speaker 3: a more interesting arc.
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't give two hoots about that.
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  Speaker 3: I think another challenge with the episode, even though I
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  Speaker 3: understand its place, is that the mon Mothma stuff is necessary,
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  Speaker 3: but doesn't fit necessarily with the energy of the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the episode, where I know why I'm with her,
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  Speaker 3: I know why I need to be with her, but
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  Speaker 3: as a result, it winds up feeling at times a
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  Speaker 3: bit perfunctory, where it's like, Okay, well we got to
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  Speaker 3: do this, and it's like eh, again, getting back to
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  Speaker 3: that hole in a movie. I'm probably more patient with it,
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  Speaker 3: but within the contained arc of a show, a single episode,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not dismissive of it, but I'm like, eh,
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  Speaker 3: this doesn't feel it doesn't feel as organic as the.
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  Speaker 1: Rest of it.
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  Speaker 3: Like those other two plot lines very organic, and then
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  Speaker 3: these other two bits don't feel as organic too.
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  Speaker 4: Me. Yeah, I mean I guess that I would definitely
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  Speaker 4: disagree with that, because I find that part of the
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  Speaker 4: storyline really interesting and I think it really does fit
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  Speaker 4: because this pivotal character to the rebellion and its success
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  Speaker 4: in the first place, her battle in her own family
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  Speaker 4: is having a family that doesn't care, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: doesn't even really even seem to like her, which is
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  Speaker 4: kind of a fascinating thing.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 4: I really and and yet the reason that she's doing
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  Speaker 4: this is because she thinks it's best for everyone her
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  Speaker 4: family involved, even if they don't care. And in some ways,
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  Speaker 4: because each of these seasons is basically just one big
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  Speaker 4: long story, like most prestige television is these days, Like
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  Speaker 4: I just don't I don't have any issue with that,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and that that's just the way prestige television
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  Speaker 4: is told, and so I am. I'm fine with it.
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  Speaker 4: And part of that is because this goes somewhere very interesting,
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  Speaker 4: because because the storyline for man Matha and her family
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  Speaker 4: is going to get very personal as per what she
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  Speaker 4: feels like she has to do in order to get
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  Speaker 4: what she needs done later on, and so you need
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  Speaker 4: these scenes to kind of set all this up, this
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  Speaker 4: family drama, which is actually going to play out on
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  Speaker 4: the larger scale, and so the micro becomes the macro
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  Speaker 4: very quickly for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but again.
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  Speaker 4: It's like the serial story is the one where I'm
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  Speaker 4: like totally with you in that sense where it's like
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  Speaker 4: it just never goes anywhere, and so it doesn't ever
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  Speaker 4: really redeem itself for me.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing is, Man math was story fine. Interesting, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: And like I said, I understand why I'm seeing it.
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  Speaker 3: I understand why I need to. I just don't think
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  Speaker 3: it matches the energy of the rest of it. And
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  Speaker 3: I think it has this unfortunate position of needing to
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  Speaker 3: be there, and it's just it's a gear that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: catch quite the same way within the context of the episode.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that overall that that is a detraction
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  Speaker 3: from it because it interrupts that energy. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe it's a testament to the fact that the stuff
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  Speaker 3: that's going on in al Donnie does have my interest,
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  Speaker 3: the stuff going on with Dedra does have my interest,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just that the way that the mon Mathma
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  Speaker 3: stuff comes in again, I understand what it's saying, I
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  Speaker 3: understand why it's there. I understand how long form television works.
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  Speaker 1: And everything.
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  Speaker 3: It just it winds up interrupting this specific episode in
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  Speaker 3: such a way that I think it just has the
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  Speaker 3: unfortunate position of being necessary but difficult.
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  Speaker 4: I guess in the thing though that I don't understand
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  Speaker 4: is like what do you want from it? Like what
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  Speaker 4: I mean if you understand that it's necessary and everything,
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm trying to understand exactly what would make this
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  Speaker 4: work better for you. I again we both agree on
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  Speaker 4: like how the serial stuff like you could probably cut
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  Speaker 4: that out of this episode and not feel like you
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  Speaker 4: miss anything.
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  Speaker 3: And even prestige long form tell if it's prestige long
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  Speaker 3: form is to the end?
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  Speaker 4: Does already mentioned is that in the end, Yes, he
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  Speaker 4: has an important moment back as this this this season ends,
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  Speaker 4: but the storyline for him getting there feels so not
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  Speaker 4: worth having followed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Probably probably What I'd say is this is that the
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  Speaker 3: mon Mothmas stuff probably could have been put together like
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  Speaker 3: in more of a.
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  Speaker 1: More of a bubble throughout.
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  Speaker 3: The episode, like it's it, it's chunked out in a
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  Speaker 3: way you could have condensed it so that it all
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  Speaker 3: occurs closer together. In terms of the actual cutting of everything,
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  Speaker 3: the inter cutting of everything that's I put that there
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  Speaker 3: like that, right, like, instead of having it spread out,
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  Speaker 3: which they do with Cyril here too, where it's like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you know what if this is a necessary but you know,
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  Speaker 3: not the same sort of like vibe of the other two.
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  Speaker 3: Take it and make it like a chapter break where
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  Speaker 3: it's like I turn my attention over here and I
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  Speaker 3: spend my time over here, and then I turn back
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  Speaker 3: and keep with the other stuff that's going forward.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and I I don't agree because I feel
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  Speaker 4: like the vibe of all of the storylines fits in
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  Speaker 4: the sense that this is the this is the percolation
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  Speaker 4: of the storylines, and so every one of them is percolating. Again,
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  Speaker 4: I don't love the serial storyline because I just don't
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  Speaker 4: find it interesting, just like you. But it's like the
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  Speaker 4: Monmathma stuff I do find interesting, And just like what's
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  Speaker 4: happening on Aldani, which is this kind of like things
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  Speaker 4: are at that they're getting close to boiling point, you know,
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  Speaker 4: at the same time that's happening with the ISB stuff
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  Speaker 4: that's also happening within this family, and so all of
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  Speaker 4: that feels like to me, it fits level wise when
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  Speaker 4: I cut in between and so what you're saying is
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  Speaker 4: that you just don't feel that that same vibe shift
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  Speaker 4: or I guess energy shift, Like it feels like that
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  Speaker 4: maybe that storyline's low energy for you and you wanted
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  Speaker 4: it to be feel more in line with the other
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  Speaker 4: energy you're getting for the other storylines. Is that what
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  Speaker 4: I'm hearing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sort of, But like what I was saying a
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  Speaker 3: minute ago, right, like, take it and instead of putting
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  Speaker 3: pieces throughout the episode, come back and have it all
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  Speaker 3: yeah as a chapter break where it's like I get
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  Speaker 3: my setup, I get my time on all Donnie, I
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  Speaker 3: get maybe a check in with with Dedra, and then
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  Speaker 3: I come back and I spend time with man Mathma
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, okay, this is all going on
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  Speaker 3: while Donnie's going on and Deezer's doing her thing, and
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  Speaker 3: then I turn my attention back. Keep in mind I'm
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  Speaker 3: leaving Cyril out of this equation completely well.
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  Speaker 4: And that I in some ways like they kind of
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  Speaker 4: tried to do that. I feel like with the season
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  Speaker 4: three of The Mandalorian, and I felt like it was
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  Speaker 4: terrible because there was that whole episode that they just
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it takes place all the way
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  Speaker 4: over on Courissant and you're like, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: But to me, I guess what. I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 4: point out. I like the inner cutting of the stories
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  Speaker 4: this way more than I do something where things are
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  Speaker 4: more partitioned.
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  Speaker 3: Look, this is this is such quippling. And I know
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  Speaker 3: there's somebody out there shouting at their speakers right now.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna say again, you can even have
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  Speaker 3: your mom motha stuff in here. No, I within the
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  Speaker 3: context of the specific episode. I'm just saying, keep it
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  Speaker 3: closer to you. I'm not saying go to Chorissant and
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  Speaker 3: break the entire flow of the entire show or the
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  Speaker 3: entire arc.
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  Speaker 1: Or anything like.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm saying, I get what you're saying, chapter breaks.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just kind of like, what I'm saying is that
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: I I don't have a problem with the flow.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: So again, it's it's not it's it's not the flow
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about, like the the you know what I've
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: spoken ill yet again of a chapter having to do
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: with the great Holy writ of Tony Gilroy's.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: And Okay, you're making fun of me, but I'm.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Like, we we agree obviously on points of this, but
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: we disagree on other points of the editing of the episode,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: and and so.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Don't get don't get me into trouble with like talking
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: about the editing. I'm just saying it could have been
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: group closer together. I'm not talking about like swapping this
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: shot for that shot or trimming a second off.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: But I know what I'm saying is, but that what
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: we're talking about in the end is the editing of
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: the episode because it's the way in which they havecro
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: they have connected the different story points, and so you're
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: wanting the editing to have the storylines for each different
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: section be a little bit you know, more condensed together
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: than kind of spread out throughout the entire episode where
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: we just kind of.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Just just that specific one, just that specific one, is
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, which I get what you're saying, and I feel
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: like that would feel even weirder, like if you did that,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: it would be like.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: What it does. It doesn't it doesn't need to be
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: a ten or fifteen minute chunk. I'm saying, you could
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: have been restructured overall, you know so well.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I think too that that would be harder for that one,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: because really you're that storyline because we don't spend a
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: ton of time with mont Mathma in this episode, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: so because really it's just snapshots of what's happening in
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: her life with her family specifically here to que us
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: in so that you know, anyway, as we get later
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: we have the context. And so yeah, I'm not you
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: would have had to actually I think shoot more with
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: her rather than less to make what you're asking for work.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Possibly, but maybe it would have worked.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: But I know, and so I mean, probably you know
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: it might have worked better for you, But.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I know, I know I'm not the only person on
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the planet that you know what. Reach out to me
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: at Matt Rushing zero two on Twitter, yes, and let
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: me know you know what, you know, whether you agree
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: with with those of us, because I know there's.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can or you can tell me, you
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: know at Kessel Junkie why he's wrong and and and
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: especially if you're read Nicodemus, you can tell him why
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: he's wrong and why the editing here is actually correct
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: instead of wrong.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And so there's there's a there's a big problem here
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: in that uh, Matt at Kessel Junkie is for the
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: next forty days not going to be on social media,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: So don't bother saying anything to him. In fact, if
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: you're angry, go to my account at matt Russian zero
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: two and come after me. Come after me hard, I mean,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: cuss me out.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: I see, I see how it is you you give
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: up this for lent and then throw the shade at me.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I got it. I see how this is working.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I'm giving. Like I said at
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: the beginning, we're givers.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I'm giving this.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: So I wanted to ask you, though I did want
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: to go because the whole idea of this manifesto, which
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: kind of drives this whole thought process of underpinning the
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: entire thematic elements of this show in general, as to
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: the reason for rebellion and all of that, I wanted
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: to ask you about that because to me, I remember
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: seeing this show for the first time and being very
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: surprised that we were really going to kind of dig in,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: you know, this philosophically, because you know, apart from the
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: theology of Star Wars with like the force and stuff,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: we don't tend to dive in this philosophically. And so
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: what did you end up thinking of that, especially here
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: on the rewatch?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the manifesto stuff is interesting. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: think that.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: The I'm not going to keep the character names you
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: know throughout, but you know, I thought the character who
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: who you know who basically has that that conversation with
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: and Or where it's like, we're too reliant on imperial
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: technology when you should know how to fix our own stuff,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: and this is my manifesto in here.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: That sort of thing, I think it's very interesting.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: The tough thing that I can't get out of my
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: brain right now is I started to see shades not
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: because of that character, but because of that interaction where
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: he starts talking about life in the world and stuff
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: like that. I suddenly saw, and I don't know if
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: you you might have seen the same sort of thing,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: but there's a very there's a similar vibe to the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: crew of the nebuchad Nezer in the Matrix, to this
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: rebel cell with and Or as Neo, and I like,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: for some reason it hit me this time where I
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: suddenly saw the scene where they're all sitting around the
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: dinner not dinner but the mess table, and that the
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: young kid, the idealist in the Matrix is sitting there saying,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: you ever notice how it tastes like He's like, everything
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: tastes like chicken because it couldn't figure out what everything
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: tasted like, so it just made everything taste like chicken.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I got a similar vibe to that. That's not a knock.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: It's not a knock.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, I saw shades of that, which
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: was interesting to me.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I had not thought about that, and I do
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: think that that's an interesting read. I would not have
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: honestly picked up on that, you know, at rewatching it
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: this time. The thing that I was really struck by
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: was the way in which, you know, when he talks
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: about the idea of the imperial technology and just kind
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: of being overloaded with thing after thing after thing, you know, uh,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: and and how this you know, keeps people from being
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: able to really recognize what's happening. I find that really
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: fascinating because, you know, it is an incredibly because the
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: conversation is not long, but it's an incredibly astute discussion
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: of where we are in society, right and and and
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: the ways in which, uh, you know, even our own
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: politics can create this difficulty for people to follow. Basically,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: we are entertaining ourselves to death, you know, by being
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: lulled to sleep with with technology. Uh and and that's
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: the interesting thing that I kind of find about this discussion,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: and so and I like that because it again it's
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: it's just subtle enough. And it's also I think fits
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: so well in line with just the way in which
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: George kind of created Star Wars, which is not to
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: be so tied into just one time frame, but to
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: feel very applicable that, you know, when you could watch
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: the show in thirty years and have a completely different
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: perspective as to what this characters talking up about, but
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: at the same time still feel like he's talking to you,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: which I really appreciate about the writing here.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I think it's very I think you're you're spot on.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: They're obviously making a comment about how, you know, our
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: obsession with technological convenience keeps us slaves to those that
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: wish to control us. Absolutely, that is an eternal, universal theme,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: just like the themes that mister Lucas put in there,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and it's the right note to hit. I would love
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: to have had a moment, and this is not I'm
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: not knocking the episode, but I would have also loved
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: a character to counterpoint him strongly saying well, it's because
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: life got convenient that we were able to distract ourselves
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: with conveniences people missed out on previous terrible instances regimes, kings, dictatorships,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: one of the forms of government, or because the struggle
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: to survive was so pronounced that they didn't have time
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: to consider swapping out the rule because they were scrabbling.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: And so I think that becomes an even that becomes
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: an equally interesting thread for them to have pursued to
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: have a character A. Yes, that's that's contributing to it now.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: But no matter the time period that Palpatine takes over,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be something that's going to keep the majority
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: of the population distracted from what's going on, because they're
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: all going to have to say. I can't exactly what
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Luke says. He's working hard on the farm. He's out
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere. He only has his aunt
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: and uncle with him. His friends treat him like an outcast.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Biggs just left and he's you know, and he's like,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: you know, the empire so far away from here. You know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: what am I going to do about this? This is
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I live here, this is what I do. It's that
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Luke's caught in the same trap without that same sort
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: of underpinning of living in Coruscant or something like that.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: It is, so what you're saying is I can't walk.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Out because you love Palpatine too much.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Baby, too much baby anyway.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, God, restant, No, I do think you're you're you're
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: writing at and and uh, the other part of the episode,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: which which stands out to me because we don't spend
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: a time with time with luth In here, but the
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: conversation that we end up having with him.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: About the way in which they have reached the point
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: where big risks have to be taken and and and
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: in fact you know that they're they're these risks that
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: could put all that they've been working for so far
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: in jeopardy. But but they're getting to that tipping point
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: where where it's like we do this now or maybe
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: nothing ever happens. And and so I wanted to ask
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: you about that because I just found that to be
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: another place where the episode, uh, it just feels like
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: we're ratcheting up the tension so that as the payoff
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: comes in the next episode, it's like we truly understand
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: just everything's at stake and how everything is just on
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: that knife's edge, you know, and if we stray, just
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: as Glady Real would say in The Lord of Rings,
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: you know, if you stray just a little bit, we're
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: done for. And so what did you think about that? No?
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I I think that it does a brilliant job of
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: setting the stakes. Why do I care so much about
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: this heist? Why is this not just another thing? And
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: it's because if this thing doesn't happen, everything, like you said,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: everything's writing on it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It has to happen.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: If it doesn't happen, everything is lost outside of even
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: just and Or's life. And it's like that immediately communicates
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to the audience how important this is. And why even
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: if I have any sort of you know, quibbles with
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: the show here or there, it's at least given me
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: that nice, big shiny object to look at it and say, yeah,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: but I want to find out how this turns out,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: because I've been told in other shows at other times
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: this has to happen. Everything's going to fall apart. And
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: then it falls apart, and that they pulled the rug
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: pull are they serious it would fall apart? If it's
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: like Luke at the beginning of Return of the Jedi.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: When you first encounter him, he's in shadow, he's dressed
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: in black, and the first movie does is what Vader does,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: which is choke people and people because we've seen Return
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: of the Jedi so many times, we forget that that's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: a conscious decision to come in and have you reminded
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: very quickly, Luke can still go to the dark side. Yeah,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: this is not a done deal. He's not necessarily the hero.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: And I think that is in that same sort of
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: vein of oh, I got to at least know how
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: this pans out well.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: And and I like that you said that too, because
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: you know, one of the interesting parts about this this episode,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: uh is that you know and Or uh gets kind
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: of found out by you know, Skin uh pushing him
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: to give him the reason why he's actually there.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: And you know, we find out the reason that he's there,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: which we all know, which is for the money that
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: you know, for him, this rebellion is not a rebellion.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: It's just trying to find a way to get out
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: and get away to uh, you know, to be able
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: to save you know, his his adopted mother, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: and his own skin. And so I what what's what's
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: great here. You know too, is is that when you
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: think about in real one where he talks about you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I've been in this fight since I was six years old.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: This fight for him has just taken on so many
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: different iterations.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: You get him being the kid on on what's the
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: name of his planet, You get to him being a
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: kid on the planet of Canari right where where uh
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: the the Republic is responsible for some sort of mining
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: guild coming in and basically strip unting his planet, killing
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: his parents and leaving an orphan with his sister, and
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: then having them get separated, and then just to slowly
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: watch him go from being a guy like in some
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: ways like this is the more gritty version of what
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: happens to Han Solo, right, you know, from going from
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: being a guy who's only out for himself to being
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: the guy who's in this for some thing much bigger.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: And I find that to be incredibly fascinating to take
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: that more gritty approach than to following his story. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: it's one of the things I just kind of really
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: love about the series and the show, and it's one
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: of the reasons that I think, you know, even though
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: this episode is the middle of a trilogy of episodes.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: It's like it sets up everything so well for just
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: the character stuff, so that you know, when you get
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: to the next one, we can do all the action
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: and then also have the suspense of like this has
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: to pay off or we're really in trouble.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, given all of that on the star
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: rating scale, do you give this a five twelve?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: No?
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I mean this this episode, as much as I do
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: enjoy it, you know, I think this is the type.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: This is the episode and the season where it's probably
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: three point seven five corsant puffs out of five because
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: there's a lot that I really like here, but the
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: serial storyline does kind of just break up. I think
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: what for me, The rest of the flow of the
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: episode was fantastic. It's like if I had excised him
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: in some ways, I'd feel great. You know, I almost
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: feel like he's the character here. You know, we didn't
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: even talk about you know, de dra and her storyline,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: which but again, you cut him out, like you could
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: have not had him in this episode at all, or
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: even maybe the next episode, it seems like, and then
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: not revisited his story until possibly the next trilogy of episodes,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: and I would.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Have been just fine with that until they get back
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to fair Yeah.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Something like that.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Listen.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: And the thing is, I feel bad for the actor
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: playing it. No, he's he does a find job what
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: he's being tasked to do. I agree, there's a aramy
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: that wants to give this a three, but I wind
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: up giving it like a three five.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Cause wow, we're not even that far off the.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Performance by the actor who plays But it's all strictly
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: the actor who plays scheme so good and he is phenomenal,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: and so this entire entire episode gets elevated strictly because
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: of him. Overall, it's a three with him. I'm giving
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: it some extra love because I enjoyed his performance so
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: damn much, especially how effortlessly he inhabits somebody who's a
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: cynic but not ragey. Right, he doesn't have a chip
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: on his shoulder about it. He's he's this this very cool,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: pragmatic type of rebellious where it's like, you know, I've
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: lost everything, anyway, screw it, I might as well try
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: to take some some of these a holes out with me, yeah,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: and make an impact. And adding in that he's a
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: war veteran basically you know, like that that's some great,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: great acting going on there and an interesting character.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Well, and I want to touch on that too real
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: quick is because what you just said about him and
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: his acting, like that's I think the thing that's really
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: fascinating about this show is that even even the character
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: we don't like, like, all the performances in this show
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: so far are just top notch, right, None of it
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: is necessarily the actor's fault. I feel like for not
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: pulling off the storyline, you know, any any fault there,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: I kind of lay it like, you know, I feel
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: like Gilroy and his brother could have found a better
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: way to integrate that serial storyline. But it's like, yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: I mean the way he's playing it, he creates this
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: character this is just kind of somewhat creepy, somewhat just
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: like almost seemingly aloof and disturbed. And that is kind
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: of interesting because that's a that it's kind of a
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: fascinating thing to turn somebody into some sort of fanatic, right,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: which is.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Kind of where we go with the character.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: And so all of that is you're absolutely you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: the guy playing scheme is just the tip of the
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: iceberg for this This episode of how well everybody is
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: doing performance wise, which is I think a real hallmark
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: of this show is that, man, it feels like just
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: everybody brings their a game the whole time, which is
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: which is wonderful because even in the episodes you don't love,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: I find myself kind of engrossed just by the performances themselves.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of it has to do with
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Diego Luna. Yes, I agree, the producer he Yeah, it's
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: just like you and McGregor, Like, you can tell how
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: much love is being put into it. That this actor
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: is here and he's so there, that's he's involved at
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: a higher level. Yes, he needs to be there and
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: part of this, and he's injecting that passion he has
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  Speaker 3: for it into it. Whatever problems I might have with
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  Speaker 3: the Obi Wan show, I could tell that McGregor cared
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  Speaker 3: deeply about telling this story the best way that he
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  Speaker 3: possibly could.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he showed up and every moment I've ever seen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: And which was really because you know, he's the focal.
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  Speaker 1: Point of that.
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  Speaker 4: But no, no, I agree. I think you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 4: In some ways, I think these shows are kind of
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  Speaker 4: best win. The lead of the show is completely sold
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  Speaker 4: out to the show. I actually think it's one of
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: the reasons why, even though season three of The Mandalorian
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: was not its best season, when you had Katie Sakoff
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  Speaker 4: on the show and she had so much more lead
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  Speaker 4: time in that season, it's great because she truly is
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  Speaker 4: the same way. She very much cares about this character
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  Speaker 4: and making sure that it's right and getting it right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, tomorrow Morrison even book a boafit same way
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  Speaker 4: he really cares, I think about getting it right. And
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  Speaker 4: so you know, any other faults aren't on the main person.
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  Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm not going to hold him accountable
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  Speaker 3: for that speeder chase. No, that's not on him.
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  Speaker 4: That is definitely an editing problem.
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  Speaker 3: On that we can agree. So where else can people
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: agree with you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they can find me out there that Matt Rushing
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  Speaker 4: zero two all over social media. So if I'm on
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: that platform, search for that name, you'll find me. I
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: would love to talk to you. Of course, you'll find
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: me here on the network with the completed show called
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: outposts about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: You can find me over on the TFM network with
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: a bunch of shows. One is the six oh two Club.
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  Speaker 4: That is a show where we talk about all of
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: the fandoms that we love, not just one. John's a
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  Speaker 4: frequent guest over there. We have a great time, so
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  Speaker 4: hope you'll check that out. And then I do a
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  Speaker 4: lot of great Star Trek talk over there with Christopher Jones,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: as we're doing a bunch of anniversary rewatches for things
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  Speaker 4: like Star Trek Voyager, Star Trek Enterprise and Start Trek
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  Speaker 4: Deep Phase nine, so make sure that you check those
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  Speaker 4: out as well. But John, if people don't want to
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: catch up with you on social media because you're off
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: for lent, where would they find you?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to try my best to stay in communication
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  Speaker 3: with the world in some way over on my blog
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  Speaker 3: Casseljunkie dot com. But typically you can find Castle Junkie
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: out there on your social network of choice, although there's
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: so many of them now that I don't belong everywhere. Yes, yes,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: very few outlets anymore. But you can also find me
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: right here on the network, co hosting a show called
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: house Lights where we look at the work of film directors.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I know, groundbreaking movie podcast. What pardon me, we're blazing
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  Speaker 3: trails over there, but it is a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: I highly recommend you to Hey, hey, oh, don't even
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: get me started about the disappointment of discussing Blazing Saddles
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  Speaker 3: with somebody that doesn't love that movie, because I just
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: don't get the world sometimes. But what I do get
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: is this, uh, this message on my Jeta communicator saying
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: it's time to head back to the temple. So Master Rushing,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I think it's time we close these negotiations John Negotiations
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: and Mark
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  Speaker 2: Lars join the Revolution, join the Nerd Party.