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124: We All Have Our Favorite Stupid Stuff · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 7: One, so.
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  Speaker 5: Possibly.
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  Speaker 5: You know how things go. Otherwise, it is time once
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  Speaker 5: again for another episode of the Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 2: The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 5: We've been beating those last few a couple of times
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  Speaker 5: over now. So, Marlena, I ask you, what blend of
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  Speaker 7: Today we're drinking Fishers and Fallers.
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  Speaker 5: See, you're confused by the name, but it's a blend
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  Speaker 5: for the poor working class bastards like ourselves. So, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's fitting for us.
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  Speaker 7: It should be called Bitches and Ballers.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's already a different blend.
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  Speaker 2: So, Thundermuck is for high class?
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  Speaker 5: Thundermuck is their, like, flagship. Thundermuck is, like, the big,
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  Speaker 2: Right, so Hipster would never touch Thundermuck.
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  Speaker 5: Probably not, really.
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  Speaker 2: It's too mainstream, okay.
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  Speaker 5: we are back with our usual round of geek activities.
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  Speaker 5: We'll try to keep it in check. I figure if
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  Speaker 5: we do, like, maybe two things, we'll keep it under
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  Speaker 5: a six-hour span of time. So, we'll see. For mine,
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  Speaker 5: I actually, as usual, I'm usually a good year or
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  Speaker 5: so behind on current movies. So, mostly because I'm watching
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  Speaker 5: stuff from 1953, and whatever we're supposed to be watching
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  Speaker 5: that week for the show, and I don't get to
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  Speaker 5: watch anything else. So, in my usual fashion, this week
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  Speaker 5: I watched Black Swan. It's kind of what I expected.
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  Speaker 5: It's very Aronofsky. It's kind of like, you know, not
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  Speaker 5: that this is news to anybody but me up until
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  Speaker 5: a week ago, but, yeah, kind of like Pi if
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  Speaker 5: ballet dancing was math. It seems very similar to me
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  Speaker 5: in structure and craziness and, you know, just the progression
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  Speaker 5: of the story seems kind of like his whole, you know,
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  Speaker 5: high thing. So, yeah, I thought that was kind of
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  Speaker 5: interesting that it definitely, I mean, it is one of
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  Speaker 5: those you have to go in and be okay with
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  Speaker 5: the fact that it's ballet-oriented because it is all the
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  Speaker 5: behind-the-scenes workings of a, you know, major league ballet system and...
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  Speaker 5: The first half hour or so is a lot of that.
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  Speaker 5: It's a lot of, you know, dealing with her mother,
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  Speaker 5: the backstory of the other dancer, and the old one
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  Speaker 5: put out to retirement. And so it's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: that drama. And only in the last half do you
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  Speaker 5: kind of come into the full-on Aronofsky craziness. But in
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  Speaker 5: his usual fashion, does not disappoint. Again, the whole last
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  Speaker 5: half of it's impressive, and especially her black swan portion
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  Speaker 5: is creepy and weird and... So yeah, I ended up
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  Speaker 5: liking it, but yeah, I guess it didn't do much
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  Speaker 5: more than I expected it to, but then again, I've
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  Speaker 5: been hearing people talk about it for a year, so
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  Speaker 5: that shouldn't surprise me. Other than that, for some reason
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  Speaker 5: this weekend I decided to watch Blade II. I think
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  Speaker 5: it was the Del Toro thing. It had been a
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  Speaker 5: long time since I watched it, so I kind of
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  Speaker 5: wanted to go back and see how noticeable it was
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  Speaker 5: that they handed it off probably to a a better director.
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  Speaker 5: At least a better, or a more respected director these days. So,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. It's hit and miss. I mean, those
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  Speaker 5: are always kind of fun on that level. I hate
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  Speaker 5: Snipes' robotic acting. And I don't understand why, because he's
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  Speaker 5: not like that all the time. So why he has
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  Speaker 5: to do that, why he's decided that that's his mode
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  Speaker 5: when he's in these is kind of ridiculous. But, again,
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  Speaker 5: he builds up more of the fighting stuff. So there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of He's, like, even the fight coordinator, I noticed.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a lot more... For some reason, and this
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  Speaker 5: was true of Buffy, too, vampires know kung fu, and
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  Speaker 5: everything breaks down into a full-on, you know, well-trained kung
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  Speaker 5: fu match, which always seems funny for vampires. I'm not
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  Speaker 5: sure why they... where they pick that up. I guess
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  Speaker 5: if you're around for hundreds of years, you've got time
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  Speaker 5: to study, you know, the ninjutsu arts or whichever philosophy
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  Speaker 5: you want to follow. So, yeah, the other stuff is good.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's definitely... impressive in certain areas as far
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  Speaker 5: as the direction goes. I mean, Del Toro definitely knows
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  Speaker 5: what he's doing. He gives it a different look than
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  Speaker 5: last time. It's its own weird little plot, and it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't stray too far from that one storyline, but, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know. It's entertaining for what it is, but, again,
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of what I remembered from before. Nothing more
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  Speaker 5: amazing than I expected going in, so. That was pretty
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  Speaker 5: much it for mine.
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  Speaker 2: Mine.
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  Speaker 7: Well, this week, I watched Legend of the Guardians. I
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  Speaker 7: don't understand why Misty loved that movie so much. It
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  Speaker 7: was kind of like really boring and predictable. And I
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  Speaker 7: don't really have that much to say about it, honestly.
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  Speaker 5: There were owls involved.
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  Speaker 2: There were owls involved.
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  Speaker 5: He has a weird owl obsession.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but then, actually, I didn't know much about this
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  Speaker 7: movie going in. I don't know how I managed to
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  Speaker 7: avoid all the previews, I guess because I don't really
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  Speaker 7: have TV or watch TV, but my friend had been
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  Speaker 7: begging me to go see Bridesmaids, and I kept calling,
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, They want me to go see this chick
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  Speaker 7: flick called Girlfriends.
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  Speaker 5: Or something like that. But he always wants you to
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  Speaker 5: go see chick flicks.
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  Speaker 2: He does. He does.
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  Speaker 7: But it was hilarious. It was maybe the funniest movie
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  Speaker 7: I've ever seen in my life.
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  Speaker 11: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: I highly recommend it. There was a joke every second
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  Speaker 7: of the movie. And it had cameos from some of
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  Speaker 7: my favorite actors, like Matt Lucas from Little Britain. It
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  Speaker 7: was her roommate.
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  Speaker 4: I'm on.
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  Speaker 7: internet movie database trying to figure out the name of
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  Speaker 7: the other guy too.
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  Speaker 2: Kristen Wiig wrote it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I wrote it.
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  Speaker 8: It's written by two ladies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I've heard really good things and it's weird. Well, I
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  Speaker 5: guess it's not weird. It makes sense that they're marketing
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  Speaker 5: it so heavily like a chick flick and then everybody
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  Speaker 5: gets in there and goes, wow, this is so much better.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just a smart movie. It has nothing
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  Speaker 5: to do with that, but there's no angle on a
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  Speaker 5: smart comedy. You know, it's like all we have is
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  Speaker 5: chick flick gross out comedy you know we've only got
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  Speaker 5: a couple of different options to go with so.
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  Speaker 7: This was like um i guess the female answer to
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  Speaker 7: the hangover but like 10 times funnier um chris o'dowd
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  Speaker 7: was the other one that was in it he's an
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  Speaker 7: it crap and he was the love interest which was
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  Speaker 7: which i loved because it's like they kind of he's
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  Speaker 7: not really big in america so they just pull in
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  Speaker 7: this kind of like random actor from British television and
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  Speaker 7: make him, like, one of the main characters, which I
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  Speaker 7: thought was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Probably, I mean, I don't know if that influenced at all,
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  Speaker 7: but that might be why I found it so funny. But, like,
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  Speaker 7: I was crying at certain parts of that movie. I mean, crying.
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  Speaker 5: It was awesome.
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  Speaker 7: Like, I was so surprised because I, like, stopped. And
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  Speaker 7: then the movie theater, I'm just like, I can't believe
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  Speaker 7: we're making him watch this.
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  Speaker 8: Damn girl movie.
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  Speaker 7: Not that I have a problem with, like, movies marketed
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  Speaker 7: towards women.
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  Speaker 5: But but a lot of them are really bad is
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  Speaker 5: the unfortunate part it's yeah I wouldn't mind so much
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  Speaker 5: I mean there's a few that are thrown into that
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  Speaker 5: category that are actually okay but so much of it
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  Speaker 5: and especially lately are just crap and they kind of
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  Speaker 5: know that and they don't care they just know it's
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  Speaker 5: the market and that's you know if we slap it
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  Speaker 5: out there those same people that went to the last
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  Speaker 5: one are going to come to this one I kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of resist movies that are like specifically targeted toward.
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  Speaker 2: Me you know I just they cut me off yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So don't ever try to make a movie the more
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  Speaker 4: they targeted well you know I was an art student
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  Speaker 4: and all those movies about the art world and the
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  Speaker 4: arts I'd rather watch a documentary on pinky toe cancer
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  Speaker 4: than watch one of those and people are always recommending
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  Speaker 4: them to me oh you'll love this um Now, I'd
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  Speaker 4: rather watch a movie.
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  Speaker 2: About stamp collectors. But you might exit through the gift shop.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 4: That's a big exception to that rule because almost any
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  Speaker 4: other one you would name. Biopics of artists, I think
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  Speaker 4: I like one, which was Camille Claudel.
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  Speaker 2: She's the only one I've ever really watched.
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  Speaker 5: See, I like Art School Confidential, but it's not an
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  Speaker 5: art movie. It's definitely making fun of the scene, and
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  Speaker 5: it always kind of shifts and becomes about something else. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It's different.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. You know, and bridesmaids somehow manage to be, like, intelligent, yet, like,
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  Speaker 7: lots of lowbrow toilet humor at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: That's a challenge.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not a fan of the scatological humor. Like, I've
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  Speaker 8: literally never cracked a smile at defecation. It is not
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  Speaker 8: something that amuses me. But that, like, protracted ten-minute scene
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  Speaker 8: was literally one of the funniest things I've ever seen
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  Speaker 8: in my entire life. I know.
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  Speaker 5: It was hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: I had heard that. There was someone that said that
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  Speaker 2: on radio or something about they thought the best bathroom
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  Speaker 2: scene of all time was in Dumb and Dumber. And
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  Speaker 2: they said this just puts that to shame. There's no way.
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  Speaker 11: Because I don't personally, never laughed at that scene in
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  Speaker 11: Dumb and Dumber.
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  Speaker 2: But actually hearing that made me not want to see it.
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  Speaker 11: But now that you all recommend it, I'll probably have
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  Speaker 11: a look at it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about the writers, but that Judd.
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  Speaker 5: Judd Apatow?
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  Speaker 2: Apatow. That guy is serious about what he does.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's got to run.
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  Speaker 7: He's cornered the comedy market. I mean, if there's a
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  Speaker 7: funny movie out there, he had his hand in it
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  Speaker 7: for the most part.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a formula. You definitely can tell his style. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but he's strict, too. I mean, if something doesn't work
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  Speaker 2: for the character, he doesn't just throw the choke in.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's pretty disciplined.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: People are starting to get over him because every movie
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  Speaker 7: had the same people in it. You know, Seth Rogen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: But I think I'm glad he's kind of moving out
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  Speaker 7: of that. I think he did.
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  Speaker 4: Well, some people said this was his penance. He was
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  Speaker 4: trying to make amends for some of his other movies.
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  Speaker 5: It's probably better for him to get... some other people
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  Speaker 5: involved get Kristen Wiig involved because she's ridiculously talented so
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  Speaker 5: yeah let other people who are talented kind of come
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  Speaker 5: into the family she really is ridiculous she is.
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  Speaker 7: Her delivery is amazing like she can just stand there
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  Speaker 7: and be hilarious like I mean this isn't even a
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  Speaker 7: spoiler but there's this scene where she's on a plane
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  Speaker 7: and she's drunk and her her best friend's other bridesmaid
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  Speaker 7: had given her like a pill or something to calm
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  Speaker 7: her down And she's like getting in the flight attendant's
• 15:51
  Speaker 7: face and his name is Steve. And she's like, what's
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: your name?
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: Stove?
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  Speaker 7: What kind of name is that?
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  Speaker 5: Are you an appliance?
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  Speaker 7: And I mean, that was just so hilarious. Like I
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  Speaker 7: almost peed my pants laughing so hard. And it's just like,
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  Speaker 7: that's not, I mean, to say it, to repeat it,
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  Speaker 7: isn't really that funny.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's all in her delivery.
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  Speaker 5: It's just her. I can hear her delivering that.
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  Speaker 2: And I know.
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  Speaker 5: How she would put it, yeah. She commits.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, she can't make anything funny. If she's got
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  Speaker 4: lame writing, she'll do her best, but she commits.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, she's on Saturday Night Live.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the first thing I ever saw her do was
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  Speaker 4: on SNL, I think it was Liza Minnelli on a
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  Speaker 4: Halloween party, and she was just so committed to it.
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  Speaker 4: She was like all in. And that's so different from
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  Speaker 4: some of the other people who have been there just
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  Speaker 4: barely showing up. Just barely in character.
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  Speaker 2: They're just walking through it. That's when I noticed her.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, wow, somebody who can act again.
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  Speaker 5: Even in middle of the road kind of stuff, she
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  Speaker 5: always kind of turns in the better performances. Like in
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  Speaker 5: Whip It, that's kind of a... I mean, it's a
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  Speaker 5: fun movie, but it's not like it's great. But she
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  Speaker 5: was what stood out to me. It's just like her performance,
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  Speaker 5: and it wasn't even a comedic performance. It was her
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  Speaker 5: just kind of being a normal person. But she pulls
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  Speaker 5: it off. Whereas everybody else is kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Drew Barrymore being the worst of the bunch, going over
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  Speaker 5: the top and being ridiculous. Where she reeled it in,
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  Speaker 5: she was a real character, but she was really believable
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  Speaker 5: at the same time. That was probably the first time
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  Speaker 5: I saw her do acting that wasn't just a goofy
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  Speaker 5: skit on SNL.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not really a fan of her Target
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  Speaker 7: Lady skit or even Jilly on Saturday Night Live.
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  Speaker 5: No, they need to get rid of both of them.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: I think the thing is, they just started using her
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: for everything. She's like in every skit because she's So good, but,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: you know, you can't carry a whole show unless they
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: give you a show.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: You can't get blood out of a stone. You know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: you can't make something funny that's just not funny.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: And that's the downfall of SNL and most skit shows
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: is when they find a character that works and they
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: beat it to death. I mean, with any of them,
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: I've said that. It's like they need to put a cap.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: It needs to be, like, three skits with one character
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: and then retire them. Because... There's very few exceptions to that,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: but there's so many that they were legitimately funny the
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: first two, three times out, and then four seasons later
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: when they've done 50 skits with this same... And it's
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: a movie. And it's the same joke over and over.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: SNL is the worst at that, where they've got one
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: joke and they'll just play it week in and week
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: out and just insert the star of the week in
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: there with this person doing that same bit over and over.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: They just need to realize... write new stuff, retire those characters,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: especially both of those of hers, because they're kind of annoying.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: She's better.
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: My first gift, I think, is that she's going to
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: do so many great things that we'll never have to
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: endure a Target Lady movie.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't think about that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: The Target Lady movie.
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I can understand some things are
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: funny because it's so, like, relative to your life. And
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: there are women like that at Target. Like, every time
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: I'm at Target, I always get the same damn lady.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: And I'm just like, you are like the Target lady sketch.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: But it still doesn't make it funny.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Well, no, once again, it was funny the first time.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, yep, I know that lady. And
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: that's why it was funny. But 20 skits later, it's
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: the same joke.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: It's just like, if I wanted to see this, I'll
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: just go to Target.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Yep. All right. It's over now. Let's move on to
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: a whole new character. Yes. Anything else for you?
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: Nope, that's all.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 19:29
  Speaker 11: I brought this up earlier in the week, mentioned it
• 19:31
  Speaker 11: to some people, and I'm going to throw myself back
• 19:34
  Speaker 11: out there again. I've been pairing movies that have been
• 19:41
  Speaker 11: similar and maybe of different time periods to see, because
• 19:46
  Speaker 11: I don't have a lot.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: None of us do, that's okay. Right.
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: So I watched Surrogates because I had gone out of
• 19:55
  Speaker 11: my way not to watch it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And I said, okay, finally I'm going to commit to it.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: But I said, but my reward for watching Surrogates is.
• 20:02
  Speaker 11: I'm going to re-watch Blade Runner, which I've not seen
• 20:06
  Speaker 11: since probably middle school or early high school or something
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: like that.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: And I liked remembered loving Blade Runner. You were supposed to.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Again, it's been almost that long for me, but I
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: remember having fond memories.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Right. Surrogates kicked its ass.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately. No, I did watch the theatrical release of.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Blade Runner.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: That's why.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: That was my question to you. Right off the bat,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, you might have issues, but which version?
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Because there's at least... I think three. There was like
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: a theatrical, a director's cut, and then the final cut,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: which just came out.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: A couple years ago. Which I have not seen. That's
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: what I said to you, Ryan. I have not seen
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the final cut.
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: I believe it's the director's cut I got from the
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: movie store back in the day that I'd seen, and
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: so therefore, I loved.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: That version at the time.
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: This one, the worst part is that they just kept
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: narrating over top of everything. And I think that's the difference.
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: I think, and I haven't researched it, but I think
• 21:06
  Speaker 11: that's the difference. I think they took that out.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: I think it's a big, over explains everything.
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: Every little detail that you're supposed to, that you could
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: have subtly picked up on yourself. He just smacks you
• 21:16
  Speaker 11: in the face with it. And Harrison Ford does a
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: bad job of narrating it too. It's, and it was
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: about halfway through that I realized, okay, that's what, that's
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: probably what's different. And somebody probably got the cut of
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: it and, and said, we're going to have to dumb
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: this down so people can know what's going on.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Or it'll never have a big showing.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a very sophisticated plot, I guess. It's certainly,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, even now, people want to argue what things
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: mean and what the final take on this is. Sure.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It is open to interpretation. Yeah, it definitely is.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Especially that long ago. I mean, how many years ago
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: was that, that people really hadn't dealt with a whole
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: lot of science fiction?
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: At least, you know, not that it wasn't the 50s
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: shoot-em-up science fiction.
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: But I think what happened was people were probably expecting
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: Star Wars. I mean, you had Harrison Ford. You had
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: a big... And we've got to get as big of
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: an audience as possible. And it really talks down to you.
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: And you're like, shut up. I don't want to hear
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: that these pictures mean that they have members.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I can figure that out on my own.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: And.
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: Maybe, and the other part is maybe the maturity of
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: me and that we've come a long way in film
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: as well. I would say, I say we. I don't
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: make movies. But society, they have, film-wise, they've come a
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: long way in good film. But Surrogates was really well done.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: It was smart. It was quick. It was... It had.
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: I remember the first time I saw The Matrix and how...
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: They gave you that feel of when you're in the Matrix,
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: it's unsettling.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: It had that green hue. You didn't like it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: It was supposed to be the prettier, nicer place, but
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: you didn't want to be there. And you almost had
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: a breather when you come back out. When they show him,
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: and I don't know if any of you have seen Surrogates,
• 23:11
  Speaker 11: when they show him, everybody's living through other bodies throughout,
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: and they stay at home in chairs, almost like the
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: world is a virtual reality. And you can pick and choose...
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: how you look and your little surrogate is perfect. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: when he's cast back into that world and he doesn't
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: have a surrogate, how foreign he feels and uncomfortable. And
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: you actually feel that. You actually, they visually are able
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: to pull that off. You're like, get me back. I
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: don't want to be here anymore. And I was very,
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: I wasn't expecting that out of the film. And I
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: was very happy that they did that. The other thing
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: was Blade Runner. I know geeks of the world probably
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: throw stones at me.
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: But I just.
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: I understand dark. I understand making it dark and making
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: it have that feel. But it was so poorly lit.
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: Maybe it's the cut that I got.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's the... I don't know.
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: But it was so poorly lit that I felt like
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: I was missing out on so much. And I wanted
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: to see... I wanted.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: To see this... They had fantastic sets, and they were
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: hiding it with... And maybe they weren't fantastic. Maybe that's
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: how they got away.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: That's why they were poorly lit.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: That's why they were poorly lit. Much like in... What
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: was the other D.
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: That we watched?
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, God, what was that?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I digress.
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: I'm going to have to get my hands on the
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: final cut and see if I can take back some
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: of that innocence that I.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Had, maybe, and believe that it is a good movie.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: But it's still a good movie. It's still a great... Philosophically,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: it's a good movie.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: It's a good concept, if nothing else.
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: And some of the shots... Rucker Hauer, by the way,
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: kicks everyone else's ass in that movie.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: That's probably his best performance, but he is the most
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: convincing person in that film, and it was not worth
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: watching without him, to me.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: No.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to say not worth watching. I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: already knew the plot. I already knew how it went.
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: That... Yeah, probably his best role.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: See, I still haven't gotten around to Final Cut either,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: so again, I would like to kind of throw it
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: out there as maybe sit down and do a whole
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: episode on it, because it's maybe working some of the
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: comparison with the old one, but more so with just
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: what that one is almost on its own, and what...
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: we're supposed to take from that one. Cause in the end,
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: I think it, you, you kind of have to make
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: a decision on a couple of things, a couple of
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: big plot points that I think would be interesting to discuss.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: So if anybody's up for it, yeah, I would be
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: willing to throw that in there somewhere in the future.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Who knows where at this point, but I think it
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: would be interesting to work into the show.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: And again, surrogates, I recommend, I didn't think I was
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: going to, I thought it was going to be horrible.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: I don't think it did well either. I, I, remember
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: the set up I remember the trailers but I still
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: haven't gotten to sit down and watch it either it
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: looked interesting but again sometimes those are very deceptive in
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: the trailers so.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Anything else for you no that's my two.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Alright Fred well.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: This past week I've been an addict to a couple
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: of long running series you know I loved.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: The Sopranos and Deadwood yeah and.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: The Wire, and so I've been casting around trying to
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: find something else to watch. I tried watching Justified, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: it's okay, but it's TV. It's not that slogan, it's
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: not TV, it's HBO, which is one of the few
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: slogans that's actually true, I think. That's true, and they're
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: on their game, but I started watching Treme about New
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Orleans three months after Katrina. And it took a while
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: to get into it, but then, yeah, it's got that
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: heroine in it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I really got into it. It's just so rewarding because
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: it's so observational and you watch the characters. And there's
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: a great scene when.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: The actress was in Deadwood, but she's on the phone,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: her house is a wreck, you know, it's in construction,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: and she's talking on the phone, she's making an omelette,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: she gets off the phone, she's overcooked the omelette, She
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: sits down and starts to eat.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: And she starts crying. And you just, well, it can't
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: be that bad.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: You can make another omelet. But they just, they don't
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: dwell on it. But, you know, it tells you there's
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: something wrong. And she's a chef, and later she's having
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: to borrow money from her parents because her restaurant isn't
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: making it. And it's just, you know, it sets you
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: up to notice things, and then you find out more.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And it's a really good observation process. After watching the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: whole first season, oh, Steve Zahn is in it, once again.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Playing a completely believable dumb guy.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Again, it's still up in the air whether he's a
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: really great actor or they just turn the camera on.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's just so stupid. There's so many times you're.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Going, dude, how can, oh, for crying out loud. But
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: he's really good in it. Everybody's really good in it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: But one thing I noticed after a while is all
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: the male characters are really messed up but redeemed somehow.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, John Goodman's in it.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: And there's even a scene with Steve Zahn where he
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: does exactly what we do.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Steve Zahn is coming.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: To give John Goodman's daughter piano lessons. And Goodman takes
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: an instant dislike to Steve Zahn.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: He just reads him immediately. Dumbass. You can just see
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: it in his face. Dumbass.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: What are you here for?
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, so he's sort of watching him. And then he
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: starts teaching the girl how to play Tipitina. He tells her,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: forget everything you know about Jesus or.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Buddha or anything. There's this song. called Tipitina. And he thinks,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: and you can see John Goodman going, the.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Guy's a dumbass, but he seems all right.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: And he is, he's a dumbass, but he's basically all right.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And that's how all the guys in the show are.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: They're like messed up, seriously something wrong with them.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: But then you find yourself going, oh, But they.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Have their good qualities. There's one guy, he's a terrible husband,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: terrible father. And you start to see, you know, he's
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: a really great ex-husband now.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: He's like a really good guy.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: That's almost as important.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's so much better as an ex-husband than as
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: a husband. So I got caught up. But the weird
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: thing is, all the women in the show are just
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: great people doing the best they can.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: They're all... that Mexican cop in traffic.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: You know, they're maybe not perfect, but they're just doing
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: the best they can in.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: An imperfect situation. I was like, why is there this
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: gender difference?
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Because that's not typical of David Simon, who did The Wire.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: He doesn't do that, really.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: It's kind of PC, in a way.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Like, the women don't have these big, glaring flaws. And
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: in a way, it makes the women kind of secondary characters.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: They're not as interesting as the guys who are just
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: messed up.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Because you're not dealing with the issues.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm thinking it's Eric Overmeyer who co-wrote the script.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at him. He's my lead suspect.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: But he was involved with David Simon going back to
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: the show Homicide, which started out, it was so great.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Homicide was great.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Progressively, you could feel the executives moving in because the
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: ratings weren't good and trying to... And then eventually they
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: came up with kind of a processed TV franchise that
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: was nowhere near as good as the original.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: But that was.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: I started watching the first season of Treme all the
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: way through.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: That and maybe.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: This could sometimes be a topic, but I don't know
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: if there's something about being a geek that just makes
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: you irritated by everybody.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: In general. Does everybody here sometimes have that experience? Most
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: of the time, it's just, yeah, I take it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: That sounds like a geek to me.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: That's why we watch movies, because we don't have to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: deal with the world.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of like that SNL parody of the
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: guy who comes in to fix.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Your email, and he's just such a dick about it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Why does he have to be such a dick about it?
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: But if you're a geek about anything, I think maybe
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: there's something like that, because... I was watching, I watched
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: The King's Speech this past week, and I just felt
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: like a dick all the way through.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: You'd think by now you'd be used to that.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: And I'm watching it with my wife, and I know
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: she's not appreciating it.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, but I can't help it. I don't
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: buy it. And I know a lot of people like
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the movie, and I know it's a good movie.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: And maybe me watching at a different time, it would
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: have been okay if.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I was wanting that Hollywood movie experience.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: But I was watching it and I feel like, you know,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: there are dramatic moments in psychology that happen a lot
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: in movies that you never see in life. And a
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: lot of them are in this movie. It's like, it's
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: basically the Karate Kid.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on!
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: And it's all this psychology about why he stutters, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't think that's true. I don't think
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: all that psychology... Sure, it seems like people have some
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: issue when they stutter, but I don't think it's caused
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: by all this analytical bullshit. I think that's just Hollywood
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: movie junk being applied to it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: He just needs to paint the fence, is what you're saying, right? Yes.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: And then there's a scene where he gets him mad,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: so he starts talking without stuttering.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh, come on.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: You saw that coming when you started, right?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, come on.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: But I guess the thing it reminds me of is
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: the only cure is something.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I like better.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: And the movie I like better is Rocket Science. If
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: you've never seen that, it's just an awesome movie.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: It didn't do well.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: A lot of critics panned it, and they made up
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: bullshit reasons.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: But I think the real.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Reason is they wanted the bullshit inspirational story. It's about
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: a kid in high school who stutters, and he decides
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: he's going.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: To join the debate team, and he's going to win.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: And he doesn't.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Because he can't.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Because he stutters. Because that's how life works.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It's a great, great movie. It has this unexpected, it
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: goes somewhere else, though.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: And I think some people were just really frustrated.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: It didn't do what they thought it was going to do.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: He didn't win. He didn't overcome his speech impedimentum. No,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: he didn't.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Mainstream audiences get upset when you do things that are
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: creative or outside the norm.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: When did this come out?
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I've never even heard of it.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was a while back, and it's just awesome.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Also, I'm kind of involved in, my son is in debate,
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: which is really exciting and fun to watch.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: And you're trying to get him to stutter? So you
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: can create this conflict?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yes. No, he's going to pretend. For the past year,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: he's pretended to stutter. to psych out the other team.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: He really is your son, isn't he? This sounds like
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: something you would have thought. He saw this movie and.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: He hatched a plan. No, he's done like policy debate.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: He's the only kid at his school who's done policy
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: and Lincoln Douglas.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Policy is just a nightmare. It's so technical and bizarre.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I'll never be able to judge it. It's over my head.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: But anyway, yeah, Rocket Science, if you get to see it,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: and I wasn't surprised to find out the director had
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: actually stuttered as a kid, and he had had a
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: debate where he.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Could not speak for like five minutes. He couldn't get
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a word out.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: And it was just humiliating, but he made this fantastic
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: movie called Rocket Science, and it has lots of great
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: lines in it, just throwaway lines. And I don't know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: I'm So I guess I'll recommend that instead of just
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: continuing to be a dick about the King's speech.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: It will continue.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, sometimes I'm in that mood for, you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: the Hollywood movie.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Remember the Titans or something?
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: You know, but.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: It wasn't what I was looking for that night. It
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: was just like one thing after another that just pissed
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: me off. And one last thing, Helena Bonham Carter.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Hey, we don't love her.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can just start and stop right there.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I think she's really attractive. I think she can act.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I think that, you know, but she's one of those
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: people I look at and I just think, God, it
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: must get old being her. Wouldn't you just get sick
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: of it if you had to get up every day
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: and look in the mirror and go, oh, just give
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: it a rest.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Can you just quit? She's so her. You just get
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: sick of it.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: I think that's why I didn't used to have a
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: problem with her, and now I'm just kind of like, ugh, again? Really?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's something about her. Like, you get your dose,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and you're okay.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: That's why I can't believe she's still with Tim Burton.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what I was going to say. You
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: don't want, at some point, you want Tim Burton to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: stop making Tim Burton movies.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've said that for a long time, too.
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: I mean, stop the cookie cutter and move on, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 11: maybe she's the problem.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: They definitely took a big turn when she came along,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: and it was almost a turn for the worst. I mean,
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: you can actually, like, almost see, like, where's the first
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: thing where they sort of hooked up? Planet of the Apes.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a bomb.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, really. And from there, it's gone downhill, and
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: he's done more versions of other people's stories and versions
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: of other people's movies, and it's just, it's not gone well. And, yeah, I...
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: Not that Lisa Marie wasn't a weirdo too, but it's
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: a weird trajectory to try to track. But Big Fish
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: was in there, right? See, that's the one exception. I
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: really like Big Fish. That's one of my favorites.
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: She was really cute in that too.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, she's always cute. I mean, she's cute as hell.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: You just get sick of it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: I'm sick of it. I would have.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Liked to have seen more of her in Fight Club.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: I thought Fight Club started out awesome.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, she's good at it, too.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And then she just became like the girl.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: And then they forgot about her as a character because
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: they're busy with the other characters who were the same guy.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Well, because that movie would have been a better movie
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: if they would have just dealt with that relationship. That
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: would have been a fantastic movie.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: I love the first part of that movie where they're
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: going to the self-help stuff.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: But I'm not a big fan of the doppelganger device. Right.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I did see an interesting discussion how the whole movie
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: was based on Calvin and Hobbes, though.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: I've heard that. I've also heard the Ferris Bueller theory.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: It's all Cameron. There is no Ferris. Which is interesting, actually.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: The more you go back and look at it, like,
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: all right, I see this. Who's dancing on the float now?
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: It all comes together.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: That would have been a great... movie getting to reshoot
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and at.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: The end and there's there's like a youtube version of
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: it on there that that sort of condenses it quickly
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: but yeah the more i thought about it i was
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: like that's kind of clever actually oh so that's me
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: for you all right lucy Yeah, I actually feel totally ill-prepared.
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: I did not do my homework this week.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: You've done something geeky.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I'm never going to be asked back.
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: I saw Bridesmaids, which is the only thing, so I
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: was going to talk about that, but I think.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: We've covered Bridesmaids.
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I try to see basically everything that comes out
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: every week that it comes out, and this has not
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: been a week where I felt compelled to do that.
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: So that was the only thing that I've seen.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: So out of the five people here, no one saw
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Pirates this week?
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, there was only one big one.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I came out. I did my time.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: I did three of them.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Is that how many I did? You see everything that
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: comes out?
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: Well, okay, I have certain standards.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: We don't have that here.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, generally. I almost see nothing when it comes out.
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: No, I can't watch anything. It used to be I
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: just couldn't watch TV when it's on. I.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: It's like, I'll wait, I'll watch Treme after they've done
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: a season, and I just, and I rip through it
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: like in a couple of nights, and then I think,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: that was a lot of work people did.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, you know, out of a big measure.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: And so now they've started the next season, and I'm like,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: hurry up. What's taking you so long? I need to
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: know more about this.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: But no, I never see, and then I got to
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: where I hardly ever see a movie when it's like,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: I have to really be interested.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm probably going to see Bridesmaids.
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I have to go see that. That's sort of the
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: level of buzz I need to go out and see
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: a movie because I live in a cave and my
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: kids tell me what to do.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: I have to see every kid's movie that goes out.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Those are the ones I avoid.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I've never seen Kung Fu Panda 2.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I really wanted to.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: I did like that one.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: I just see what we do for the show. Unless
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: it's something new that makes us go to the theater.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: That's the only ones I ever see.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: The only new movies I've seen are the ones for
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the show. I try to.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: See anything that I hear something weird and interesting about.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I try to go look it up. My aunt will
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: mention The Virgin Springs. I'm like, I've never seen that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: That sounds good, so I'll go watch this movie about
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: a girl that was raped in medieval times.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: This doesn't sound fun at all. No.
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: You know, that brings up, I had avoided, I even
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: mentioned this before, I had avoided Rashomon forever. I was like,
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: that's the one I'm not going to see because I
• 42:25
  Speaker 11: know it's about murder and it's about rape and it's
• 42:28
  Speaker 11: a court drama. I thought it was going to be
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: all about that and I watched, I was like, okay,
• 42:35
  Speaker 11: I'm going to say that I've watched it so I don't,
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: you know, check it off the list.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: And I watched it, and that's the best of his movies.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: That's the best of his movies. That's funny how you
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: do that. You know, and I'm so mad at myself
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that I hadn't watched it before. The storytelling is fantastic.
• 42:53
  Speaker 11: It's just one short story, and then you get it
• 42:56
  Speaker 11: from four separate angles. And you kind of are left
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: to figure out what really happened. And it's, especially for
• 43:05
  Speaker 11: the time, it's just well, it's just really well done.
• 43:07
  Speaker 11: And there's only five characters, you know, in the entire movie.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: And it's just... You almost don't want it to end.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: It's a really good story. But anyway, we're still beating
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: up on her.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: That's just amazing. Well, I enjoy the cinematic experience.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: That's a huge part of it for me.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I like the communal thing. And you don't have kids.
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: And I don't have kids.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: I agree. I do like the theatrical experience, but usually
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: I just don't come. Nobody else wants to go, and
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: I have no money half the time.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I pay the price. I saw Water for Elephants.
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: I like that movie, actually.
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: Oh, no, really?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Can we discuss this? I need the defensive.
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: Because honestly, a movie has never made me this angry.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Like, it angered me.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: I like this.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. Because it was like, okay,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: here's my take on it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: It was like, tedium, occasionally interrupted with Violence against animals.
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: Like, teenagers are treated.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: By animal cruelty.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: And occasionally a sparkly vampire.
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: Sparkly vampire. Well, I like the book, so I think it...
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, it could have been better. It wasn't my
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: favorite movie ever, but it followed the book pretty closely.
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: It cut out a bunch of characters a little bit, but.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I would have had a greater
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: appreciation if I'd read the book. Because for me, there
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: was very little.
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: That was so positive.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: I haven't read the book or seen the movie, but
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, if they put Tony Yaw in it,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: could that have turned it around?
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: And also, I mean, actually now thinking about it, I
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: don't really remember the movie. It was quite forgettable. Well,
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: let me explain why I was so stoked about this
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: book and so stoked about the movie. Okay, the book
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: is about someone in the circus in the 30s, which is, like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: Carnival is my favorite TV series of all time, so
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: I'm obsessed with that time period. I'm obsessed with circuses
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: and carnivals in general.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Carnival's good.
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: The main character has the same name as me, and
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: it's spelled the same, so I was, like, pumped about that. And,
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: you know, now that you mention it, I don't really
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: remember the movie so much.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: Did they have soap operas in the 30s? I thought
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: that's where the character got their name from, too.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Days of Our Lives.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: That was long-running, wasn't it?
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's almost as long as all my books.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: So do you think, like, maybe you're still in the
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: fog of the book?
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: I think that may have been it. Because there was.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: No character development at all.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: You can't tell what people who didn't read the book
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: are missing.
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because, I mean, now that you mention it, I
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: really don't remember. I mean, I know what happened story-wise
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: because I read it, but.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: You paid $ 8.
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: 50 for the whole company. I'm trying to think of
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: a scene in the movie that particularly stands out, and
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: I'm just like.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: I can play this game. I've seen the trailer, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: I don't really remember the movie either. So, I mean,
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of in the same boat, only I'm, like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: nine bucks ahead.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I want to hear more about what's so bad about it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: I just never felt more, like, emotionally manipulated.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Like, it didn't earn anything.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: Like, it was just.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I can't remember who... Like, I remember in the Peter
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Biskin book, he says.
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: I can't remember if it was Spielberg or if it was.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: I can't remember.
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: Somebody said something about the easiest way to... a vocum
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: motion is to torture a kitten or something.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: It's like something along those lines.
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: And this was a kitten-torturing movie. So you're sitting there,
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: and it's horrible.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: You feel horrible.
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: I mean, you're on the verge of tears, but it's
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: not earned.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: It's not profoundly effective.
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: It's just like, I don't want to watch these kittens
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: getting tortured anymore.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Well, that's where you and I differ. There's one thing
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: I enjoy.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: That's why some people walked out on Gummo, was the
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: early kitten-grounding sequence.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: Bring it to a screeching halt with that kid serious
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: for a moment and you were waiting for the twist.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: Please say something funny now um yeah that's what they
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: do in movies like where they they bring in kids
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: because you have to care about kids but all the
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: characters you don't care about them at all you don't
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: care what like how much traffic and except for benicio
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: del toro.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: You can shoot any one of these people in the face.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, there's What's-Her-Name with her kids threatened.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: It's like, okay, I care about the kids.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Because I have to.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: But everybody else just seems so corrupt.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: And, I don't know, mechanical in a way.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: The characters seem mechanical.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: It's that manipulated feeling like they're making you.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: That's why I don't like being... having movies.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Targeted toward me because it just seems like they're trying
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: to play you.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Most mainstream movies are very manipulative.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I guess, like, the book didn't have
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: an extreme amount of character development either. It was kind
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: of a short book, but, like, I guess, like, going
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: into the movie and already knowing the backstory of everybody
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: in it It's just kind of like, I can fill
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: in the blanks, whereas if you've never read the book,
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: you probably wouldn't be able to.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Was the villain more developed in the book? Because in
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: the movie, he was just the most evil dude ever. Well, see,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: that was the weird thing. In the book, he wasn't
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: all bad. Like, he had his good points, and it
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: was just kind of like.
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: It was, like, a very conflicted story.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: Like, he wasn't awful, but he wasn't fantastic. He was basically, like, bipolar,
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: you know? And he was very dangerous when he was
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: in a bad state, but he was wonderful in a
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: good state.
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: Gotcha. Yeah, I would have liked more why she was
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: attracted to him originally. But plus, Reese Witherspoon, I find
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: her to be the maybe least appealing human being that's
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: ever been captured in a night cinema.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: That's a big statement. Yeah, kind of.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: She's pretty bad.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: I love her.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: She's had her points. She's had moments. Well, she was younger.
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: Freeway was excellent.
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: I love Freeway.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I can't fight it.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: I thought Reese in her first movie ever was just excellent.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: She was like a kid.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah. The Man in the Moon or something?
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I saw that because I was trying
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: to rent that movie where Jim Carrey plays Andy Kaufman.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: and it was back in the VHS era and it's
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: on the shelf and I get it and I'm halfway
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: home and I'm thinking of the song the R.E.M.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Song if you believe in.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: A man in the moon nobody.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Believes they put a man in the moon what.
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: The hell is this they put a man in the
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: moon they put a man on the moon but I
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: watched it anyway and there are eerie parallels.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Between the movies, they're both obsessed with Elvis. The song.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: In the movie, man.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Reese Witherspoon is like a kid, and she's obsessed with Elvis.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: And there are these odd parallels between the movie and...
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to see the Andy Kaufman movie.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Little did you know they sent the astronauts up there
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: with a giant digging device. And their first and foremost
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: is dig straight to the center.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: We're pretty sure it's full of... It's full of cheese
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: or gold or something. We want you to find out.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Start digging. I think we've covered quite a bit.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Should we round it out?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I never knew we were going to hit Reese Witherspoon
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: so hard. I'm sorry. No, I like it. It's kind
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: of like kicking a kitten.
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Kitten torture.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Dump on Reese Witherspoon. Right. Well, that means that he
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: plays opposite two of the worst actresses. I don't know.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: I still put... What's her face a little ahead of her?
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: Oh, Kristen Stewart.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: At least Reese has had good performances. I've never seen
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: Kristen Stewart deliver anything.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: She always looks like she's just been raped. She does.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I saw her in that movie. It's like a teen book.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Speak?
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: And she's like a high school kid who gets raped.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: And in everything I've seen since then, she's playing the
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: same character. She always just looks like she's just been raped.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: You know, then I saw that, what is it, Twilight series?
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Did she get raped? What happened here? Why is she
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: doing that?
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, God. If it's an acting style choice, I don't
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: recommend it. It doesn't seem like a good way to go.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Well, the problem is she's had success. And she keeps
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: getting good roles, and so she's just going to keep
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: doing it. She's not going to learn anything. She's like,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I've got this shit down. I'm going to keep cranking
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: these out.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: And why would you change it? I mean, she's been
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: doing that in some of the biggest money-making movies that
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: have ever been made. So it's like, well, it must
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: be right. I mean, why would I change anything now?
• 52:27
  Speaker 11: Well, if she brought something to the table, the women,
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: like with Twilight, the women that love it, and if
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: she added anything to the character, the women that love
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: it would.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Think, Who's this bitch?
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: What's she doing? Why is she messing with the character
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: that I love from these books? So if she plays
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: it stupid, maybe it's genius. Because if she plays it
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: stupid and adds nothing, then she's a blank slate. Because
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: her face is clearly blank.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: She's a character that all these girls are projecting themselves into.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: That's what it is.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: It works like those things at the carnival where you
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: put your face in a painted form.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And that's the way the... That's the way the book is.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: What little I know about the book is even the
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: character in the book is written very bland, and you're
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: supposed to identify with her. They've carried that over.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: I'm a bland, adolescent girl. Well, think about who's reading
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: The Twilight Zone.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: I kind of like sexual fantasy and what the vampires
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: are about in that book, which they have been in
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: the past, but not as.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: ridiculously, maybe. But I guess it's all ridiculous. It's penthouse
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: films without the sex. Yeah. It's some kind of a
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: fantasy thing. I guess being that blank, you know, they're
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: probably telling her to.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're telling her to.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: I find her horribly unattractive.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: At least Reese Witherspoon's attractive.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: I like Reese sometimes.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: She has kind of a funky chin.
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: It's like Jay Leno's bastard daughter.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And it was kind of cute when she was a kid.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Because we know who her mom or dad is, but
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: not her mom. It was kind of cute when she
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: was a kid. I loved her in, like, elections.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: She was awesome.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: She was perfect in that role. Something went wrong.
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: I think it was Legally Blonde.
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say, it was Elle Woods
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: took it all down.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Well, see, I think at the time, they thought she
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: was playing something. In acting.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: But I don't know that she was. Well, no, I
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: think maybe she was, but it may be that same
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: thing with Kristen Stewart. It may be like, wow, that
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: worked really well. This is the most successful thing I've
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: ever done, and I played a dumb airhead. So a
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: lot of her roles... have been dumber and dumber as
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: time's gone on. I don't know if she's purposefully choosing that,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: or it's just agents are giving her nothing but the
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: same thing. But there's two or three of them that
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: could have been the same character, really.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a lot of marketing people working out
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: the math of what their image is and what they
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: can bank on attracting people audiences to their kind.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Of movie based on what they've done before. But it
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: can go sour.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, I feel like Hollywood has always been,
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: there's two types of actors in Hollywood. There's talented actors
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: and there's beautiful actors. You know, like, you know, there's...
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: And there's Reese Witherspoon.
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, neither of those.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: And then there's Tagline. But I mean, like.
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: If you want to, you know, if you think about it, like,
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: There's movies that have, you want the beautiful leading lady
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: who may be an okay actress, or you want a serious,
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: hard-hitting actor who will really get to you. But it's like,
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: if you're not either one of those, why don't they
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: toss you out?
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. Here's why.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: There can be different variables in the beautiful actor category.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: Like Meg Ryan. She's cute, but in a way that
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: other women don't resent.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: That used to be the case.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: It used to be the case.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I haven't really kept up with her.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: Nobody has.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: She was cast in those roles that were like couple
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: movies so that both.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because if you're going to those romantic movies and
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: then your significant other's sitting there going, oh, that girl's
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: really hot the whole time, you're going to be pissed off.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: So if you put someone in there that's very, again, bland,
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: if you put someone in, kind of likable but she's
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: not threatening.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: And also I notice a lot of actors come along
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: who sort of resemble previous actors and they're.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Like banking on a kind of recognition.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: It's weird how much you see actors sort of building
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: momentum and they sort of remind.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: You of a few other actors. Yeah.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: Well, and you get that, I think, in Hollywood in general.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: It's like you get people that they're kind of, okay,
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: time to put them out to pasture because you hit
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: a certain age, which is younger and younger anymore. And
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: it's like time to find the new version of them.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you get that.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Who is the new this?
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah. They play that game every year in Hollywood.
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they do. You know, like the new Michael Cera,
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: the new Seth Rogen, the new... I don't need.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Either new or either of those. No, no, no, but...
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: They can do just fine in the right roles.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: In the right roles. They can be really annoying in
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: the wrong roles.
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: Anything else we need before we.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Anything else anybody just hates?
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: I think there's already a hate cast. I don't think
• 57:45
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  Speaker 7: Boy the only thing missing from this place is a
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  Speaker 7: couple dozen bodies limed and rotting in shallow graves under
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  Speaker 7: the floorboards.
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  Speaker 5: We're working on that that's part of your problem you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: know you haven't seen enough movies all.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: Of life's riddles are answered in the movies And now,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: on with the show.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: If you believe they put a man on the moon,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: man on the moon.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: If you believe there's nothing up.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: His sleeve and nothing is cool.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: Horses swim walking with the staff of the moon.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: The other thing I was going to mention is Columbo,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: the third episode of Columbo, first season.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: It's on Netflix, and.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: It's the most blatant socialist propaganda.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: Because he goes up against, he's like this little gray bureaucratic, well, bureaucrat,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: And he goes up against a guy in private practice as.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: A detective. And it turns out the private detective is
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: the murderer.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: So it's like a battle of the private.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: It's the most blatant. And I was just shocked.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: It's like, wow, so they were just putting blatant socialist
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: propaganda on TV.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, and one more thing.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I love Lucy, man.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the factory thing.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the chocolate factory. Well, being married to a Cuban.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: It's all coming together now.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I never put it together. It's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: just like the Smurfs in communism. If you didn't put
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: those two and two together, you just... It was. Gargamel
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: was the capitalist American. Gargamel was the capitalist American that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: loved gold. And you had the people that were identified
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: by their job. They all lived in the same house.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: They followed a guy with a beard who wore red.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 11: If you watch the show, it was trying to get
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 11: kids my age, early 80s, to embrace communism.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: It was the last gasp.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, people who start out wanting to be
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: writers often get these little gigs and they put.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: whatever they have going on in there.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: Wasn't the Smurfs originally.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: Made in the 60s?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was in the 60s.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: It makes it even closer to that.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: But the 80s television show, if you watch it, is.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: And what country was it from originally? What I've heard.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: The TKK one. I've not heard that.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: The white, pointy white caps, and then the leader has
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: a red, pointy red cap, and he's the grand wizard.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: And then Gargamel is sort of.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 8: the horrible stereotype Jewish wants to turn everything into.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Gold, and then Israel, Osrails. That makes sense. Very possible.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: But isn't it like, I want to say it's Swedish,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: or it was originally from Sweden or someplace?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, he was from some Scandinavian country, that
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: Peo dude. I just went back and recently watched him,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: and I just realized that it sucked. I didn't know
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: there was all this other stuff going on.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Just don't watch the snorts.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: That was....
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: I never saw one. No, you did, though. You think
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: you loved the Smurfs.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: See, that's what it was. Yeah, I watched the Smurfs
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: every week, and then I went back and watched and went, God,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: this is horrible.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it started off as Belgian, and I think it
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: became Dutch somehow.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 11: Oh, the fact that it has anything to do with
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 11: communism is completely me making up bullshit.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: But that's the way it is.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 11: The first time I, in philosophy class in college, my
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 11: first class, I was like.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, this is the Smurfs.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: You're on to something.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: I think it's more or less was like a parody
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: of Belgian society.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: Commies. Socialist commies.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: French fries. No, I just throw out mayonnaise.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: No, no, it says this has led to the Smurfs
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: being labeled, associated, or praised as communists.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: They're as stupid as me.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: I always, when I find that out, I'm like, huh, cool.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: That makes it better, doesn't it?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: My people.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 11: Well, Lucas messed everything up with Star Wars for me
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 11: because my theory was the reason why we knew it
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 11: was long, long ago is because they hadn't invented the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 11: wheel yet. In none of the first three trilogies do
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 11: they use a wheel at any point. They float and
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 11: they roll and they walk with the adepts, but they
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 11: never actually roll on anything.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you're familiar with an essay entitled
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: on the improbability of the Death Star's trash compactor.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you told me about it. How it doesn't,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: no engineer would ever design it.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because like two moving walls is like much, much worse.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: And also you're out in space.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: Why do you need to compact anything?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: There's plenty of vast room.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: So you're going to compact it into this tiny little
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: thing that's going to be out there and you won't
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: see until it's right in the windshield.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: And that doesn't make any sense. Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: But maybe, I'm thinking, if it was because they didn't
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: have wheels, that could resolve a lot of these questions.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're, in a way, primitive. Right. Because it's
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: one of the basic machines, you know.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 11: Or perhaps the trash compactor, maybe they didn't throw all
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 11: of their garbage out.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they kept it until they got back.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Right, and the trash compactor was making it smaller to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: throw people in. Right.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: That's what I'd do.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: So how did R2 roll around?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think he ever had wheels, did he?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: I assume that was on the bottom there, but we
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: never flipped him over.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: That was a toy.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: We had the wheel. That wasn't that long ago, too. What?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: I still think he wasn't on wheels. Let's ask Kenny Baker.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: Get him on the phone right now.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the wheels wouldn't have worked out in the desert sand.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: I always thought that was kind of weird.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: They needed to be huge wheels to go across that sand.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: So was he hovering?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 11: He obviously hovered earlier in the series.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what happened there? Why don't they cover the fact
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: that they broke him?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: So I digress. Well, they fixed him. Right. Come on.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: They can fix a guy's hand.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 11: Have you all seen the 13 severed hands video of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 11: Star Wars?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: And how everyone gets their hand severed.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 11: And if you cut off someone's hand, inevitably you will
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 11: get your hand cut off.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: And the one.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 11: Character that they threaten removes people's hands, Chewbacca never actually
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 11: does it.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 8: Nice.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we need to get on with the show.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know. This is pretty fun.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: I just like theories.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: I'm not a big fan of animals being dressed up,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: but I saw a photo on the internet of a dog.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: That looked just like Chewbacca.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: And it was even wearing a little belt. And it
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: was just sitting in the car. Oh, it was awesome.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: I'm not a fan of kittens being tortured. But I
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: saw this video.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of Ewoks, but I saw George Lucas.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: I saw this video of an Ewok being tortured, and
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: it was awesome.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: They need to make Ewok torture porn.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: They really do.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: That would make me... Look, if you Google it, it's there.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: Ewok torture porn.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Every time you think you've thought of something, it's there.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: It's out there. There's already a t-shirt from it. If not,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: we're making it tonight. All right, it's time for What's
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: the Buzz?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Groovy.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: All right, we'll just start off with it, Greg. You
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: specifically said we needed to address this this week, so
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: do you want to discuss your favorite actor of all time? Okay,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: I'm probably taking a little license there.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: The biggest story this week, I suppose, would be the
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: governor himself.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. He's my favorite actor of all time.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: That's why I was taking license.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 11: I was just disappointed that when I heard, I don't
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 11: care about their.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Relationship or their marriage or who he had children with.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 11: But what I care about is that they put on
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 11: hold and may not have him cast in the Terminator.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, screw these families and poor children.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 11: I don't care about bastard children and how they've been
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 11: hiding their entire lives who their father was.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: And maybe even living in poverty, for all we know.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 11: But now, me personally being affected by Terminator, not having
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 11: Arnold Schwarzenegger in it when he made.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: That just.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: I've not been following that story, but how... Arnold Schwarzenegger
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 7: has very distinct features.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to argue that. And I'm just thinking, like.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: It's like having Herc Douglas' love child.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: It's like, how.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: How can you tell?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: How is someone not going to know?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 7: You know, aren't you Arnold Schwarzenegger's housekeeper? Your son looks
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: remarkably like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: It's okay.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: Wouldn't you notice?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 11: Wouldn't you see how Maria Shriver probably should have caught
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 11: on to that?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: She's supposed to be an intelligent lady.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: I'm sure maybe they never brought the children around or
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: something like that.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: They went on vacation with each other.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 11: They took the nanny, or not nanny, she's the housekeeper,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 11: on vacation with them.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: Didn't that seem a little odd?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: The takeaway from this for me is after they came
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: out with pictures of the woman and I don't think
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: I'm an unkind person.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: One of us is going to have to say it.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: But the thing that I get from this is with
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: all the advertising driven insecurity and I have a teenage
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: daughter that women have and all the things they do
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: and all the things they worry about it turns out
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: All you have to do to attract a guy who's
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: like a movie star and a billionaire.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: And a governor is be around.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: And not quite be Ed Asner. That's the two things
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: you need to do as a woman to be attractive, really,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: is you just have to be around.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: And be a little more, slightly more feminine than Ed Asner.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, Ed Asner's pretty hot.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: You know, he has his moments. But, yeah, that's the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: thing that occurred to me, is, you know, she's, sure, I.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Mean, she's there. I don't know. What's he going to do,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: go out to bars? He can't do that.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: She reminds me of a, A plus-size version of John
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: Leguizamo in drag.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: So watch Too Wong Fu and add a few pounds?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: Have you ever seen her?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not... But the image in my head is really.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: Attractive?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's what I'm thinking. Too Wong Fu, but
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: after raiding a bakery. Raiding a bakery.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, so, yeah, they're saying the projects, some of which
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: are likely to start up, they're saying Terminator has got
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: Justin Lin behind it now directing, so it's probably going
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: to happen on some level.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: But whether or not, yeah, I guess it could put
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: him in jeopardy as far as being attached to it.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know why. Obviously, this is a scandal on
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: some level, but who cares? In that world, I'm just like,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: in the multi-billion dollars you're going to be investing or
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: hoping to get out of Terminator... Does it really factor in?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: Is that really going to stop somebody who was going
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: to go see Terminator from going to see Terminator?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, I think it's a bluff.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: Probably. I mean, they're saying the other one, he was
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: supposedly signed on to do a movie called Cry Macho. Now,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: this one I can see it throwing off because his
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: character kidnaps an 11-year-old boy for his boss. Like, okay,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: that can be a little awkward at this point. It'd
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: be hard to market that one, I suppose.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I just think it's.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: Funny that The world still seems to be shocked when
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: a politician or an actor is unfaithful to his wife.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I assumed that he was getting some on the side.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: Didn't he already get in trouble for grabbing people on
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: his staff in the last five or six years? It's
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: not like this should really be a huge shock to anyone.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: He's probably gone down that road a lot of times.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: She was just willing, and the other ones wanted to
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: fight him off, obviously, and cause a big scandal out
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: of it. This woman just went willingly into it, like,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: all right, just give me a check, I'll have your kid.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 7: I just think, like, of course this isn't across the board,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 7: but you give a person a position of power and...
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: an inflated ego, then they're going to do whatever the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 7: fuck they want. They're not going to, like... I don't know.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: It's just.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, he's got, like, a triple threat of,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: you know, you'll never be able to keep his ego
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: in check. I mean, he's already huge. He's a bodybuilder.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: He's been a bodybuilder his entire life, so he's always
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: physically more important than anyone else. He's a movie star,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: and he's governor of one of the largest states in
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: the country.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the biggest economy.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, I mean, it's... He's got so much behind him,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: you know, and so much that he can feed that
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: ego that, I mean, yeah, there's... Why would this... this
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: woman be the one nope don't think i can get
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: her you know.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Just like right you have la there i mean you
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: would expect him to.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: Go after any number of you know barbies yeah and
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: and probably like actresses that he could lure into anything
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: with like oh and i'll get you a role in
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: the next terminator movie and Women would probably line up
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: for that, unfortunately. Yeah, but, you know, there's a lot
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: of truth in that.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Like, if you're, I don't know if you're ever around, like,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: really rich people, they have all the crap that they think,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I'm rich, I have to have this crap. They still
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: have their favorite stupid stuff.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: So she was his favorite stupid stuff.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: She was the all-raising boy.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was the all-raising.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: She's the worn out pair of shoes that he really
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: doesn't want to get rid of.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: I don't want a new robe. I like this robe.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: It's just human nature.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: Can we work in the world?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: And, you know, it doesn't matter how attractive a woman is.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, some women are just more fun than others.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: There you go. I'll give you that.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, maybe the actor in him should have gone
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: for a more attractive woman, but the politician in him said,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 7: she's here. I mean, Monica Lewinsky.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: That availability thing, I cannot.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: Stress that enough.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not availability, it's economy of movement. You know,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: he's not wasting any of the... funds she's already there
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: yeah who.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: Wants the hassle of going out and you know well this.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: And also i guess you kind of have to think
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: of it like a an actor it's not a big
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: deal for them to be unfaithful they're probably not going
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: to lose they don't have anything on the line by
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: like being unfaithful to their wife or husband But a
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 7: politician has a little bit more, so it's a little
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: bit more discreet if you're not going out and, like,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: picking up hookers off the street. I guess if it's
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: someone that's already in your house and they have, like,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 7: a legitimate reason to be there, I guess it makes
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: a little bit more sense.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: Plus, she's already on the payrolls. I mean, you've just
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: got to give her a little more money to be quiet.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Well, and here's the other thing. This was, what, like
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: 15 years ago when it started?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 11: Probably at least so she's aged and she may have
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 11: let herself go you know so she might have she's
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 11: not an ugly person it's just you know not somebody
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 11: you she like any number of cases of like the
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 11: other woman that you would point to it would not
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 11: be her right usually it's not as bad a crime
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 11: as um Oh, what's his name?
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: Four Weddings and a Funeral.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: That hot chick that Hugh Grant hooked up with?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Hugh Grant, yes.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: That was a dude, wasn't it? Divine Brad.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Right. It was a really... I just saw the picture
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: and I was scared. I was like, is that Flavor Flav?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: I believe that was a woman, but you're probably mixing
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: that up with the Eddie Murphy story.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: You're right. Hey, that was a misunderstanding.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: She was asking for directions, you know, whatever. Allegedly.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 9: And.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his was probably the worst.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 11: At that point, he could probably get most women.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: And he was picking that up. And was with, you know,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: a ridiculously attractive woman that obviously... She's horrible. Yeah, I'm
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: not a fan of her. Anyway, but.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: If you say he could get most women, he could
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: get most of the women who were.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: In the market to be got.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: But, you know... I'm just saying he didn't need to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: pick her up off the street. Yeah. I don't mean to.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: I don't want to rip on people's physical appearance.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: Because we're all such prizes.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: On the radio.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: We're the most attractive people on the radio. She's not
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: an ugly person.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: But she's not in great shape or anything. She's not
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: especially attractive.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: He's kind of got a nice gut going these days, too.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: You know, but Maria Schneider kind.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Of looks like a corpse. Yeah.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: So, one of the more attractive women who resembles Skeletor,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: but not.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: This place makes me think of a corn husk.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: I still think Joni Mitchell.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: It's like the most attractive woman who looks like Skeletor.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: It's good to have these levels. We've got to have levels.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: Amy Maynard.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Amy Maynard on that one. Oh, wow.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 11: You know, with Amy Maynard, I had a thing for
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 11: her when I was very young, first watching MTV.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: So she will always be beautiful to me. Like the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: late TV boy. No, not even that way. I think
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: she's almost unattainable. I think.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: Especially since she lost that toe.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: She lost that what?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: That toe.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: Never mind.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: How about a pig in a blanket?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: Right. So if there's anything good that's come from the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: Arnold story, it's the fact that I think they're at
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: least putting on hold, if not completely killing, the Governator Project,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: which was a horrible idea. They wanted to... Have you not... Oh, Lord.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: It's... They based a comic strip, I think. I don't
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: know if it was actually a comic book, but Stan
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: Lee's involved, so it probably was. It was a comic
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: book about the, you know, superhero adventures of a man
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: who's also the governor.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's funny.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: He's the governator. And they were going to make a
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: movie out of it. They were supposed to make a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: TV series out of it. All of this from this
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: wonderful property that is the governator. So, yeah, at this point,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: let's see, the... I think the quote is, the Governator
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: Project is on hold. And the reason they wanted to
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: do it at the time was based upon Schwarzenegger's kid-friendly appeal.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: Does that mean having a lot of kids? It's because
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: he's father to so many of them. Knocking out kids?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: Is that all you need to get kid-friendly appeal?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Well, still, it is just an extramarital affair. I mean,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: it's not like... Most kids' dads do have.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: An extramarital affair these days, so... What a wonderful world
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: we live in.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: These studies are pretty sophisticated.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, they've heard about nobody's ever going to grow
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: up the way I did in like some little idiotic.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: Town where you're segregated.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: There's no contact with anything interesting anywhere.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: It's just not going to happen.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: No, I think that's gone.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Just to clarify, Fred is not advocating segregation.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, it's segregated from culture.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you were out in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: I grew up in a little town that, you know,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: it had a little college in it, and so there
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: was that. But basically, you just felt like, wow, there's
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: nothing interesting here, and there's no way to get near
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: anything interesting.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: See, you've killed that now with the internet. I mean,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: no matter where you are, you're connected to the rest
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: of the world, in a sense. I mean, you're still...
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: physically off away from everyone but you've got access to
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: a culture that it's out yeah yeah it's and you
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: can tap into it and you can learn from it
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: and you know you couldn't do that yeah you could
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: never do that yeah it's different what i can't wait
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: for though the best thing as far as i'm concerned
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: now is when we give it about 10 years And
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: we get to have movies that star the bastard son
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: of Arnold Schwarzenegger.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Conan the Destroyer could be his son.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: That's going to be so awesome. Because I don't know
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: what straight-to-video is going to be in ten years. It'll
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: be straight-to-download-it-onto-your-brain or something. But there's going to be an
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: equivalent of a bad straight-to-VHS movie that's going to star
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: Jimmy Schwarzenegger. Whatever the hell his name is. I was thinking,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: I was trying to think back, because that was the
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: straight-to-VHS maneuver, like when they would use the box art
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: to sucker you in. Because I remember there was one,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: and it was at the video store, and I remember
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: it had the big poster art on the front of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: the VHS, and it said, Norris McQueen Swayze. And then
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: in little letters, it was Mike Norris, Chad McQueen, Don Swayze.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: All of which are sons and are brothers of the.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: So I was like, this is... It'll just Schwarzenegger. Jimmy Schwarzenegger.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: Well, do you know that theater... That's a classic theater joke. Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: It's the joke about they're trying to get somebody and
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: hire a guy to do a musical.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: And they say, oh, well, we've got this choreographer. She's awesome.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: And it's Tharp. Is it Twyla Tharp? No, no, it's
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Joan Tharp.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 8: And.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: And then they say, and the music is this guy
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: who's really interesting, Glass. Oh, Philip Glass? No, no, George Glass.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: And we've got this other guy who's committed to it, Gold.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Elliot Gold? Yeah.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: It's like everybody is a knockoff of somebody until you
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: get to.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: The one person who is... Yeah, we got him. We
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: got him.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, I thought that's going to be awesome when
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: we start getting that. Because his real kids probably won't
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: want to do that kind of stuff. But, yeah, the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: bastard son of Schwarzenegger is going to have to be
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: an action star. Even if he's not in shape, it
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: will be so awesome to have a knockoff version. It
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: would be better. Because, I mean, have you seen Chad McQueen?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: He's not his dad, and yet he was in a
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: ton of movies driving a car. It doesn't matter if
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: they're even a sad shadow of the person that they're
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: supposed to be, as long as you've got the names.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: Actually, he ought to just go by the bastard son
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: of Schwarzenegger.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: That would be awesome. I would see all of those movies.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: That other movie was Death Ring, by the way. I
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: think we need to add it to the list. It
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: also stars Billy Drago. Nice. That needs to be on
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: our VHS classic series. We need to work in there.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: All right. If we've finished off Schwarzenegger for a minute.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: Any more buzz? Yeah. More of the fun trends in
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: Hollywood now, if we have. One of the hottest mini-trends
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: in Hollywood is the classic horror mashup, which are movies
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: that take a period piece setting and its characters and
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: match them against monsters. Author Seth Graham Smith is credited
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: with this trend with his adaptations of Pride and Prejudice
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: and Zombies and Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. Both of those
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: are supposedly movies coming out by 2012. You love these.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: Do you? I haven't read them, but I just.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, this has kind of played out already, and
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: they're jumping on the bandwagon. It's kind of over. So
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: along those lines, a young English filmmaker named Matthew Butler
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: recruited Sir Ian McKellen to narrate and appear in a
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: short film called Egad Zombies, which is pretty funny in
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: its own right, that has now led to an actual
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: feature-length movie getting produced. Sir Ian McKellen, Dame Judi Dench,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: and Gillian Anderson will co-star in The Curse of the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: Buxom Strumpet.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: Shepard is a great word that's not used nearly enough.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a good title. Yeah, the residents of
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: a 1700s English town which will have to deal with
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: an outbreak of zombies.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 7: I'm kind of over zombies in general.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Sounds like a good... idea for a short film.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: Short film i'll watch it not a feature i knew
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: a few kids who were reading that pride and prejudice
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: and zombies and seemed to like.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: It okay but i mean i mean i guess i read.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: The front and back cover and it was.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: Awesome short film i wonder yeah there's bio was.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: Great it's fabulous it's on my nook but i've actually
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: read the real Pride and Prejudice and didn't bother with
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: Pride and Prejudice and zombies.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: You did it wrong.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: I wonder, is it basically the storyline just like there's
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: zombies in there in addition to everything that's already going on?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: Because if so, that's a clever way to get children
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: to read Jane Austen and think about it.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: Pretty damn sneaky.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: That is what it is.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: It's just every now and then they'll have to pause
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: and fend off zombies and then the story just continues.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: That's the way it was explained to me. I think
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: it's a great way to write a cheap book.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: Well, I guess that doesn't really work so well because
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: then children in the future are just going to be
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: talking about when they remember reading Pride and Prejudice and
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 7: they're like, and then she fought the zombies? And it's like, no,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: that didn't happen.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: I don't remember.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: Everything gets corrupted like that eventually. Sooner or later, everything
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: that we hold dear, somebody, a kid will be going, Yeah,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: then there was a zombie.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: That's not how it goes at all.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: It'll happen.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: Well, it feels like this whole movement was like a novelty,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: and they're just continuing to the point where it's not funny.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know. There's several of them like that, and
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: now there's this whole new wave of people that are
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: kind of ripping off what this was, which was already
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: a ripoff. So, yeah, it's a copy of a copy.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: How far down is this going to go until you're
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: looking at something horrible again? which is probably not true.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: I think the theory is if you keep doing something
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: stupid long enough, eventually it becomes good again. But sometimes,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: you know, I have things like I'll say, like running jokes,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: like a phrase I'll.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Repeat, and sooner or later it will be hilarious.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: But you have to say something stupid a thousand billion
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: times before that happens, before suddenly one day it's the
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: funniest thing on earth.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: And when you're.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: Making movies, that's a big commitment to make that many
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: really dumb movies just in the hope that eventually it'll hit.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: I think that's happened with zombie movies.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 7: I'm ready for the new zombie movie. I guess vampires?
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: Vampires are the new zombies? No. But, I mean, it's not.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: They tried to do the werewolf.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: It's next on the list, I hate to tell you.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: That's the next one here.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: Is it going to be cyborgs or something?
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: It could be.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: I've made it further to be like a ghost revival. Like, ghosts.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 7: I want movies about ghosts.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Patrick Swayze ghost revival?
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: No, no, no.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Well, they should remake that.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: And actually have Patrick Swayze's ghost.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's tacky.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 7: Too soon.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Mrs.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: Swayze does not find that funny.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 7: Too soon.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: Sorry. Oh, no, next up, aside from the hot trend
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: of zombie mashup movies, it still pales in comparison to
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: the vampire movies, which is probably due to Twilight, unfortunately. But, well,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: before that, in 1994, Interview with a Vampire was the
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: first movie to adapt Anne Rice's Vampires to the big screen.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: Do you want me to stop so you can badmouth
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: Anne Rice?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: I loved Anne Rice when I was like a child.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: And then, I mean, when I was like 11, you
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 7: could not peel me away from her books. And then
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 7: I was like, these books have no plot. What the hell?
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: Why am I reading this garbage?
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: You know something I'd really like to own? When I
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: first saw Interview with a Vampire, it came with an
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: introduction by Anne Rice explaining her fans' concerns about the
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: casting choices and and how she was 100% behind the production, and.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: It was awesome.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: But then it also had this little thing where she
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: explained to just everybody who was going to watch the
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: movie that, remember, it's not just about vampires.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: It's about us.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: I'd just like to own that. I'd like to see
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: that again someday. It wasn't on the DVD when it
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: came out. I rented it just to have.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Her little speech. That sounds like a hoot.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: Because I just thought it was like the most pretentious
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: thing I'd ever heard.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: Ever.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: And it's like, I've got to keep it.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: I want to have that so I remember what is
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: the benchmark for being pretentious.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: Explaining to your audience, it's not just about vampires. It's
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: about us.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: And as I watch the movie, everything that happens, I think,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: that's not just about vampires.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: That's about us. And eventually it got really funny. It
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: started funny. It was funny from the beginning. That kind
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: of narration is exactly what ruined Blade Runner. That's exactly
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: what they're doing every time. You're like, oh, really?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 11: You have to explain that you shot this guy?
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: It's that bad.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: It's like R.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 7: Kelly's trapped in the closet.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's exactly like.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: It's exactly like R.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: Kelly's... Yes. Remember when you interviewed the vampire when that
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: little midget was hiding in the cabinet?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 7: And then he pooped his pants.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: I've never seen an interview with a vampire. I boycotted
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: it on purpose.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: But you've seen Trapped in a Closet.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: But.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: No, I've seen clips of Drafton.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, I've seen Drafton.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: I saw it on DVD.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 7: I don't know what happened to it.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: I think you made everyone we knew watch Drafton.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 7: I did.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: I was obsessed.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: You were.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: It was kind of scary, actually.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 8: What happened with that project? I mean, we were promised
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: more chapters.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 7: I think more chapters did come out.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: I never watched it. It went to 24, I believe.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: But it was not resolved.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: Damn it.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 11: I'm going to have to watch this now.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Do they have it on Netflix?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: Oh, I hope so.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: I want this resolved, damn it.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 11: You know, he needs another pissing case to get him
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 11: back in the limelight.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: So that he can... That can be arranged. I'm sure
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: it won't take much for him.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: So, back around to Neil Jordan. So, the director of
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: the original interview with the vampire that started this whole thing,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: Neil Jordan, who generally spends most of his time making
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: more arthouse-friendly movies, is deciding to come back to vampires.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: He wants money.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and nobody cares about his art aspirations.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: I would love to have on DVD his movie The Miracle.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: It's the best movie.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: He ever did. You can't get it. It's on VHS.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: It's about a couple Irish teenagers wandering around making up
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: stories about strangers.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: It's just really cool.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: This is not about an Olympic winning hockey team.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: No, and he has other movies.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: He had some mermaid movie that's kind of like it.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: It has all the elements. It's like magical. It's like,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: but no, that was the one where his little fable
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: that he was trying to do with a weird twist
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: in it.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: It really worked for me. I liked that movie a lot. Mermaid, Fable,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: The Twist, that's Lady in the Water, right?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: It's exactly the same.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: It was different, and it was trying to work, but
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: it just didn't. But The Miracle really kind of did.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: It was a good little movie. Beverly D'Angelo was in it.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 11: I thought she was only in Chevy Chase movies.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: No, she turned up, and it was a couple of teenagers...
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: making up stories. They don't know if they're boyfriend and
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: girlfriend or they're just friends. It's called The Miracle. It's
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: a really good movie. Interesting.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: This one is not.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: Ah, no.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: But so far I like the casting. It has Saoirse
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: Ronan and Gemma Arterton, our favorite actress with extra fingers.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: So they've signed on to star in Neil Jordan's Byzantium.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: They star as mother-daughter pair of vampires who pose as sisters,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: and they're supposed to start shooting in England in October.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Could go either way?
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: I don't trust him. He can go bad like him.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: I think he, sometimes he does all right, but he
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: doesn't have, like, an instinct that you would trust, like,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, he's going to pull that off.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: No, he probably won't pull it off. It'll probably be
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: a disaster. That's my feeling.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 11: It doesn't sound like it's being... Because my original thought
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 11: was he's doing it to make money.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't sound like the construction of it that
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: it is. I mean, the vampire's going to sell more tickets,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: But, I don't know.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: That one I can see being commercially... successful on some
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: level if they did it right if they marketed it
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: right now this one they they said that he's not
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: the only somewhat artsy director uh going for vampires jim
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: jarmusch which this just seems odd right off the bat
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: it's super you know the king of all indie directors
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: almost uh is signed on to direct an untitled vampire
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: movie with tilda swinton She is a vampire. She may
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: very well be a vampire. Michael Fassbender and Mia Wasowski
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: or whatever, the Alice in Wonderland girl.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: They've all signed on to play vampires with John Hurt.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: You can't go around throwing John Hurt in the middle
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: of something.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, he is also on board in an unspecified
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: non-vampire role.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: Now, why would you make him not a vampire? Wait,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: who's not a vampire? John Hurt. I know why. It's
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: because he's going to do this.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: And attract vampires.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: I've never seen a movie in which John Hurt did
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: not do this.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: Do you need to describe it?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: It's a thing he does with his head where he's
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: sort of like... It's different from... It's like neck popping.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: It's a neck popping gesture.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: He does one and then the other and he sort
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: of raises his eyebrow and looks like he's thinking about
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: thinking of something soon.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: He's thinking about vampires. Well, Jarmusch describes the movie as
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: a crypto vampire love story set against the romantic desolation
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: of Detroit and Tangiers.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 8: What?
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: That sounds like somebody did a Mad Libs.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: No, that sounds like a homeless person pitched that on
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: a computer in a library. And you're doing it.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: I'm so happy for that guy wherever he's sleeping right now.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: That might be true.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: He got corrugated cardboard for that one.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: Awesome. Oh, God. I don't know. Just Jarmusch making anything
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: that's not his own weird thing. Like, trying to shove
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: him into another format doesn't seem like a good idea. Yeah.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: He doesn't fit anything but Jarmusch. So, yeah. That's just
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: strange to me. But, I mean, maybe it could work.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 8: I mean.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: Again, if it's like his signature type of movie and
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: they just happen to throw vampires in it.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: Or maybe he's just doing something different from what he's done.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure he can do much other than what
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: he does. It would be interesting, but he's always just so...
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: He's just kind of off his own world and... It
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: works if you're into that, but yeah, I cannot see
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: that working commercially. I think it, I.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: Don't know, it actually makes a lot of sense to me. No, no,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: I'm serious, I'm not even joking right now, because he's
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: always done that.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 8: Sort of thing that Nicholas Ray did, where these protagonists
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 8: that are very flawed and troubled, but I mean, I
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 8: guess I'm thinking of Ghost Dog, where that was such
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 8: an amazingly moral character. but was, you know, a trained assassin.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 8: He was a killer, but he was simultaneously, like, the
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 8: moral center of the film. So, like, that's kind of
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 8: the deal with vampires, right? Like, they do something, they
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 8: have their own code.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: Again, potentially, I could see it working as a project, again,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: if he did his thing in the middle of it. But, yeah,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: trying to then market that, like, trying to then get
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: a mass audience to which granted nobody in a mass
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: audience has anything to do with charm it i mean
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: i think it would.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: Be kind of awesome if someone did an intelligent vampire
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: movie and not that they don't happen like that sounds
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 7: like an oxymoron but like if you think about the
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 7: mythology of vampires and like their nature it's like really
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 7: interesting But it's so cheapened.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 7: I think this could work.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: I like the concept. It'll be interesting to see what
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: they do with it, I guess.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: Ten years ago, if they would have pitched it to me,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I would have pre-ordered my ticket.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: But now I kind of feel like, you know.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: Vampires has become a new thing in.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: The last ten years. Maybe they'll turn it around. Who knows?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: This could be it. This could be what it is.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: It's so hilarious, I guess I want to wish them luck.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: You know, do something crazy, make it work.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 11: Look, you've got, like I said, you've got a real
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 11: vampire cast in the film, so it's going to be authentic.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: They're all similar vampires.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 7: Actual vampires. Yeah.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 8: Which is not unprecedented.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: The Hunger.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: Peter Murphy.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: And Shadow of the Vampire. That was a true story, right?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: Pretty true.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 11: I don't know what else you're buzzing about. But I
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 11: was furious last night when I saw the preview.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: For Fright Night.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: Had you planned on it?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: No, that's actually... Well, I'm still... That was... At some point,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: I was going to check with you guys and see,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: is that one we're going to have to go see,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: good or bad, that we're going to have to go...
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: I think so.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: I'll probably be yelling at the screen. Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 8: But.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: I have.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: Because, like, the first half of the preview, I was like, okay,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Colin Farrell. Okay. Okay. Maybe if he played super creepy,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: but subtle.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: If he could do that. And then it immediately.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 11: Went to the second half of the preview. You could
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 11: see the entire movie unfolding already, like they do now.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Like trailers are.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Like trailers are. And he's like Superman vampire.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 11: You know, throwing cars around and reveals himself.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: To the main character. What's his name? It doesn't matter.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: Early on, you know, about his, oh, I like your
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: girlfriend and your mom kind of thing. I know you
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: know I'm a vampire.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 11: You know, that's what worked in Fright Night is he
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 11: forever didn't know.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: And, yeah, we might have to go down that path
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: because I just got mad. I'm not saying that Fright
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Night's a great movie.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: I think it is.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: It is a great movie.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: As vampire movies go, I think it's way smarter than most.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 11: It's so much fun, and it's such a good... It's
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 11: one of those that you probably need to not touch it,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 11: to me. And if you did it really well and
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 11: changed it up... But this looks like it's just any
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 11: other movie right now.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: Kind of.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: And you could.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: Tell Colin Farrell got his swole on for this movie.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: You know, jumped pumped up.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: So he can take a shirt off at every chance.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 8: Right. It's just.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: I can't blame him, you know. If you're going to
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: do that, you might as well take your shirt off.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: It's just going to be bad.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I already know it's going to be bad,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: and it's just going to.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: I did not like the idea of it to begin with,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: and I'm still not sure what I think of the
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: trailer so far. The jury's still out on this altogether.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 11: I hope the trailer did everything wrong, and when I
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 11: see it, it's going to be like I wanted it
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 11: to be.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: Like, he does play it very subtle. He does play it,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: Prince Humperdinck does a pretty damn good job. He, that's, again,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: one of his most impressive roles.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they do make trailers that are just misleading, because
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: the people who make trailers aren't the people who make
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: the movie.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: Um, so that could happen.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: You know, like, I think when they did a trailer for,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: what was it, Sweeney Todd, they wanted to make sure
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: nobody felt there'd be any music in it.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: Because American audiences.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Are more afraid of music than they are of blood.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Um, Yeah, so it could be different from the trailer.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's not music.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: I'll clarify.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: It's the musical talk singing.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: That's what they're afraid of because they'll listen to music
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: all day long. Yeah.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: But they want music videos. They don't want musical. They
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: don't want Broadway, but they specifically don't want the singing.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 7: That's changed, though.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe because of Glee. That was what people felt at
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: that time about that movie. Or those marketing people.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: But they really were playing down the musical elements of it.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 5: And it's a tough sell. Because it's not... I mean, Chicago, okay,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: that's going to work. It's its own thing. It's musical.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's based in that world of musicals. But
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: this is a horror movie. So it's... You're really... I mean,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: you're dealing with the Tim Burton crowd. You're dealing with
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: the horror fans. Neither of which are musical friendly usually. So...
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: That's a tough sell right off the bat. But, no,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: I wasn't specifically going to go into Fright Night, but
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: that's a great lead-in for this because it's been a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: long time, but it's time for a return to the
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: remakes of the week. Neither of which is Fright Night,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: which is sad because that means there's two more. So,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: they're planning on remaking the first movie based on a
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: Stephen King novel. Does anybody know what that was?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 7: Salem's Lot?
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: Made in 1976. It is Carrie.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 7: I thought Salem's Lot was the first Stephen King.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought maybe it was going to be The Shining,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: but I guess not.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, Salem's Lot kind of does need to be remade.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: They did, like, a TV... Oh, did they? Well... No,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: I can't remember if they did another version. I mean,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: it was originally TV anyway, but I can't remember if
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: they went back to that. Are they going to find
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: another Sissy Spayjack? I don't know, because speaking of casting vampires...
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: Maybe we.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: Can get Natalie Portman to do it.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: No, she's too old now.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: That's true they're gonna have to get well that wouldn't stop.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: Them but if you oh god yeah you said it
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: somebody's gonna listen and somebody's gonna.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 7: Do it i think that honestly i think that would
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 7: work because she's she's awkward and she's like.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: But not in the good way this is the subtext
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: that she's just like becoming a woman that's part of
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: the subtext of that movie it's part of women are scary.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: This leads into.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: Hit Girl might be too cute for the role. Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: But she'd be... She's, yeah... Almost the right age.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: And she's, I mean, she can definitely handle the performance,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: I would think, but.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: Because that is a dark.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: That is a weird.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: I.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: Mean, it's just a weird role because you're dealing with
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: a lot of different levels of what's going on with
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: her character.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: And because it came out of the 70s. Everything was
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: creepy back then.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: The 70s is creepy. So it's sad that there already
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: was a sequel. I've avoided this so far.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: I remember that.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: I didn't see that. The Rage, Carrie 2. Oh, yeah.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: From 99. And I didn't even know it was remade
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: for television in 2002. For television? I did not see that.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: I remember that being on. I don't think I watched
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: all of it, but I remember, like, what could they show?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, I skipped that part. But now
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: MGM has started development on a third adaptation of Carrie
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: by hiring, this is what I think is funny, Playwright
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: and comic book writer Roberto... I'm going to butcher his
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: last name so I'll skip it. Anyway, the funny part
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: is he was recently brought on to rewrite the Broadway
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: musical Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: I'm glad they got that worked out then.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: But this seems to be his thing because he's also
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: recently been hired on to become co-producer and writer of Glee.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: So he's like a play doctor.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: So you bring him in, you get him to punch
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: up your scripts, and he likes musicals? I don't know.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: And how that has to do with Carrie.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: He's like the wolf. That's true. Why didn't you say
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: you were sending Roberto?
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: That's all you had to say.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: You're sending Roberto.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: So the Carrie remake will reportedly be more faithful to
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: the original Stephen King book. a la the Coen Brothers
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: remake of True Grit, I guess. That's what they claim
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: when they did that, too.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: They always are more.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: Again, it depends on who you hand it to. You know,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: it's like handing anything to the Coen Brothers kind of
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: steps it up a few notches, but just handing it
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: to Roberto, I don't know what we're doing, so.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: This seems like a bad idea, but I say that
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 5: about a lot. I try to give, you know, if
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: it needs something, I try to come up with productive,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 5: you know, okay, this could be a good idea, but
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: Does anybody see anything good coming from remaking Carrie?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: I can't watch Sissy Spacek.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: Now or then?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Whenever I saw it last, I was just unsettled by her.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: I think that's why it worked. She was so right
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: for that role. Frighteningly right for that role.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: I'd have thrown an extra ball at her and dodged balls.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: As a kid. I don't like to pick on people,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: but as an asshole teenager, I really wasn't one, but
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: part of them is, I probably would have... She's an
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: easy target. I'm going to hit her.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: In a way, that's what I'm saying. She is so
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: perfect for that role. Again, I don't know that there's
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: anybody that weird and awkward in the acting world. Chloe
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: Moretz isn't that awkward. She's cute.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: She's savvy.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: She's smart. She doesn't come off as clueless and awkward.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: I think I had that reaction to her. I probably
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: just saw that when it was out. That's probably the
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: last time I saw it. But to me, my reaction
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: to her was she was like that one kid in
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: class who never said much, and you just wondered about them.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Where did they live?
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: That was me, by the way.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: And what happened to them to mess them up?
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: That was me, by the way.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: That's the way I.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: You know, and probably there are other kids in the
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: class pointing at me saying the same thing.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: But even if you're that kid, you know you see
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: the other kid.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: That's true. Because there were a couple other ones that
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: were like, man, I messed up, but what's up with
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: that guy?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 8: I think we've got to go unknown on this one,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 8: which is just I'm already thinking about, like, the nationwide
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 8: true grit style search where we just go into schools
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 8: and find the weirdest kid around.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: Like the true grit girl. Like, what was her name? She...
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: Was great and almost could pull that off. I don't know.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know. She seems too strong.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe so.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Just too strong.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: Because, I mean, yeah, she's carrying that.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: I was going to say that's... We've already seen that
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: look on her face. I don't know.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 8: Huge.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: And we just are not going to believe her being
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: that messed up in that way.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 11: For her to be able to survive in that world,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 11: she had to be strong.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the other thing. I don't think that wasn't
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: any young girl at that time... was either going to
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: be a victim or was going to be like her.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Because a weaker woman would not have done.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 8: That at all.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: Well, she was dark in it. I mean, her watching
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: The Hanging is just impressed on my brain.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: She's like, that's what I want.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: And it was a very convincingly, one of the best
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: hangings I've ever seen in sort of a Western-like film
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: is like, wow, you feel like that's probably what it
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: was like to be.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: And then you see that look on her face. It's
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: a disturbing movie.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen it yet. See, I don't know. I mean,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: that's an interesting way. I was thinking, we just brought
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: her up, Saoirse Ronan. She's done some amazing stuff. I mean,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 5: and she's hitting about that right age. I could almost see, again,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: she's almost too strong in Hannah. But, I mean, if
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: you dial it back a few roles, I think she's
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: got that inner where she could play that. awkward kid
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: and she could play you know somebody with a lot
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: of depth to them but but would still you know
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: nobody would get her so that might be an interesting
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: way to go if they were going with a name
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: at this point only.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 11: If the girl who played the other girl in hannah
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 11: the american girl could play one.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: Of the mean girls in harry because that girl.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 11: Needs yeah she needs to just just turn the camera
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 11: on and go just say go because she's fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: She was quite entertaining yeah.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: She almost has to be younger now than Sissy was
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: when she was in the movie.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 11: But people expect, it's the Dawson's Creek thing, people expect
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 11: teenagers to be 30.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that one, what's her name? She wasn't.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: Who was the Dawson's Creek teenager that actually was? She's
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: in Wendy and Lucy. She's still doing movies.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: I couldn't think of her name.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: That was a performance of last year, I think.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's awesome, but she was a kid in Dawson's Creek.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: She was, like, emancipated from her parents to get that role.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 11: But I'm saying anything that's WB now or whatever, all
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 11: of those kids.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: Are out of college when they're acting as children. That's true,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: but I just don't think that flies anymore. I think
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: people want to, like, you know, after a hit girl,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: you want to see the kid at their age.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 5: In movies, at least. It's a new kind of... I
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: think there's more.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: in the age thing than there used to be.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: And almost realistically, like, scientifically, they keep saying how much
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: younger and younger, specifically girls, keep developing. So, I mean,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: if it is at this turning point in her life,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 5: you almost are going to have to go younger.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: And it is supposed to be, according to some sort
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: of subtextual logic of the movie.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, as science goes, it keeps happening younger, so it's
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: like you would almost have to cast younger now.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Younger, you're right.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: The average age is, I think, eight now.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of creepy.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: Well, because it's partly about because, ooh, women are scary,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: but it's also because partly kids are scary.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. And that's a little of both.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: Kids are, you know, cast in horror movies as, you know,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: they're strange because they're just like these weirdos from another dimension.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: Who showed up vaginally into our world. And then it's like,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: what the... And they take over your life.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: They're scary. They're scary just like they were in Hamlet.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: Like it's the people with kids that are having this discussion.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: I can take over your lawn.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 11: That's why trick-or-treat worked for me. Not only was it
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 11: the violence against kids. Which was awesome, by the way.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 9: The evil one of the movie was this little cute,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 9: not child's play, but you wanted to.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 11: Pick He was a little demon child in a burlap sack,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 11: but she also wanted to pick him up and give.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: Him a hug. Oh, look how cute he is. And
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: it was scary. I mean, he was a scary character.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: You're right.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 11: When you talk about kids being scary, though, the kids
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 11: that led the one kid to the cliff, that was scary.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 5: That whole segment is awesome.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: Who's the girl that.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: The girl that's left in the cage thing there?
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: Well, no. She was actually good.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: The girl from Dead Like Me?
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: Yes. How old is she now?
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 7: See, that's a weird thing. Whenever I was watching Dead
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 7: Like Me, there's something about her. It's like, I don't
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: know if she's actually 12 or if she's 30. Like,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 7: I cannot pin an age on that girl. I have
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 7: no idea.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 11: And she might be a little old now, too, but
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 11: that's the kind of girl that would work in Carrie
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 11: because she's just creepy.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 7: She is very creepy.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: But she'd probably be too attractive.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, again, things have changed since then, so you
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: might not be able to cast someone who isn't Hollywood
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: pretty at this point. You might, I don't know, it
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 5: may just not be something studios would get on board
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: for anymore.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 7: I just miss the days when Stephen King's books were
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: good and his movies were good.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: That's a long, long time ago.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: It was a long time ago. Which ones were good?
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: Which movies were good?
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: I mean, when I was younger, I enjoyed it. Well,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, this says nothing because obviously I loved Anne Rice.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: No accounting for taste, is that what you're saying?
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 7: I know. Well, I mean, I think I read Stephen
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: King books in probably third, fourth, fifth grade. I thought
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 7: they were wonderful, but.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think there were Stephen King books when I
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: was in third, fourth, and fifth grade.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: There were, but you just finished that time machine.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: No, I liked a lot of.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: I read all kinds of horror stuff when I was there.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: I don't think Stephen King was around, but a lot
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: of it doesn't hold up for me later. I do think,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: for me, Frankenstein was the first book that I thought
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: was like, intelligent horror.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: I still do.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: I still think that's a great book in a lot
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: of ways. It's maybe not that deep, but it's broadly intellectual.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a lot to it because so
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: many stories still keep drawing from it. Even ones that
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 5: are veiled versions of it are still just using that
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 5: same basic setup to tell the same story how many
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 5: years later.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: I don't really know that a lot of the stuff
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: that I would have liked back then is like really
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: not that good, but I was just so into it
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: that now I project a sort of embarrassment about it
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: because I was just such a geek for it at
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: the time. It's probably really pretty good, but I'm just,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: I'm distanced from it.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: Well, this next remake won't make things any better, really.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: That's the alarm that.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: Goes off when we're anticipating a particularly bad remake.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: Then you're on to something. So, yeah, in addition, this
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: one starts off already good. Producer Ed Pressman, who I'm
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 5: not familiar with, but I like that they credit him
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 5: with Street Fighter and Judge Dredd. Oh, impressive. Yeah, this
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: guy's quality. In addition to remaking The Crow, another great idea,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 5: he has now set his sights on remaking Bloodsport, the
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: 1988 mixed martial arts movie that helped launch the career
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: of the stellar actor Jean-Claude Van Damme. So, yeah.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: I think they shouldn't tamper with the classics.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 11: I think that's probably because of the rise of UFC
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 11: that it's just a natural for something like that.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: Isn't that kind of gone? Has it been another wave?
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: Because the first wave of that was quite a while ago.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: Does it still have that much following?
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 11: They still have... They had the one in toronto a
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 11: few months ago it was the first time they had
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 11: ever used an actual stadium for the event and it
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 11: sold out in like hours or something like that something
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 11: incredible so i think it's it's still doing very well
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 11: i don't follow it but i remember hearing about how
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 11: they were this was this was kind of the test
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 11: run to see if they could fill stadiums with these
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 11: they used to be you know the small arenas and
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 11: stuff like that. And now it's a full stadium size
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 11: that they can fill. So to me, I think.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: It's, yeah.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: I don't doubt the video. definitely on its market it's
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 5: just that's weird that it doesn't seem trendy to jump
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: on that bandwagon but i think.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: The same guys that go see fast and furious are
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: the same guys.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: That go see ufc probably probably Well, this one, I mean,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: and it's, I guess I didn't pay that much attention
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 5: to Bloodsport, nor to the story that it's based on.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: It was actually based on a real guy. It was
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 5: based on the events of this actual ninjutsu martial arts fighter, and,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 5: you know, that was supposedly part of his story. But
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: I like that they're already throwing that out the window
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: at this point and doing their own thing. So they're
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 5: just calling it Bloodsport. Basically. It's an American vet, goes
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: to Brazil instead of Hong Kong to recover from his
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: experiences in Afghanistan. And he ends up competing in a
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: martial arts contest like you do. We all have fallen
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: into that before.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, and Brazil falls in line because that's where
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: most of those guys get the grappling for UFC is
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: The Kung Fu grip. Exactly.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: I just hope that they don't get all post-modern with
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: the illustrational cultural quotes when they do this.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: Keep it clean. That's... I might slip into that. Okay, right.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 5: Now this, I mean, in a way it was ridiculous.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 5: Just to bring it up, I was like, oh, this
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: is going to be terrible. What a horrible idea. But
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 5: at the same time, this is something that I've heard
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 5: other people bring up. And I'm like, okay, maybe they're
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: onto something. Because every week, you know, they're like, oh,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 5: they're remaking True Grit, they're remaking Carrie, and we bitch
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: about what a stupid idea. Why would you mess with
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: these things that are these great, you know, classics? Bloodsport,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: nobody's saying that about. Maybe that's what they should do.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: I've heard other people throw this out there. Maybe they
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: should stop trying to do these Hollywood classics. And go
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 5: find crap that we made and be like, well, there's
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: something here. And you guys just made this horrible movie.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 5: But let's take that and do something better with it. So,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's something to be said with finding old
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 5: projects and doing something better with them.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm going to have to say I don't
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 4: think True Grit was that good a movie.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: When I heard about it, I was kind of like, really?
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 7: Really?
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: Their remake what i thought you're saying the original yeah
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: the original i was like wait a minute i remember.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 4: Vividly seeing that on tv as a kid and i
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: remembered the movie like really i'm like they're doing what but.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: Just in general i mean more often than not when
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 5: we bring up a remake it's always oh god why
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: would they do that i love that movie don't mess with.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: It oh they're they're a bunch of them yeah i
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 4: just will not see and that's it took me like
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 4: 20 years to see any other version of Invasion of
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: the Body Snatchers.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 5: Which is one of my favorite.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 4: Movies as a kid. And I couldn't go see the
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: American version of The Vanishing. Just as soon as Kiefer
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 4: Sutherland appeared in a promo, I'm like, God, no.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: That's so wrong. No, I loved the original movie.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: And then they did a remake of The Return of
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: Martin Guare.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: Which they called Summersby with Richard.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: I remember that.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: And I could not go see it. Couldn't see it.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: There were a bunch of, for a while, it seemed
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: like all my favorite foreign films were being turned into
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: America and they may.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: Have been good. I just couldn't do it.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 5: And they still continue to do that. But I don't know.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, I guess in this, I mean, if you
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 5: look at for the group of movies that they're dealing with,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 5: it's like they are bringing in people. I mean, it's,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 5: supposedly going to be directed by Philip Noyce, or however
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 5: you say his last name, but, I mean, he just
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: did Salt, he did Patriot Games, and Clear and Present Danger,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 5: so it's like, those are all pretty solid as far
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: as action movie go, and the script is the guy
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 5: who wrote the original Karate Kid, and co-wrote Taken, and
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: The Transporter, so it's like, Within these type of movies,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 5: it's like, these are guys that.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: Taken was not well-written. Well, but it worked to its strength.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: One scene of Taken is well-written. The rest of it.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 5: The rest of it is go with your strength, which
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 5: is watch him beat the hell out of people for
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 5: an hour and a half.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: What did Roger say? He kills people good?
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe he did.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: He does. He kills people good.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 5: He kills people good. The one where the daughter's under
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 5: the bed and he's like, you're going to be.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, the one where he's defending her virginity? I love that.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 5: As a premise. Now they're going to take you down.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: I will kill all y'all motherfuckers. And it's just... To
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: defend her virginity. Straight killing.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 5: But again.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 11: After that first scene where it sets it up, then
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 11: that was your trailer, which was a fantastic trailer.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you didn't need to see the movie after.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: No, it was like... And it was just, let's watch
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: somebody blow shit up for a while. Beat people up.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 5: But, I mean, again, we're talking Bloodsport. So it's like
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 5: if you're dealing with that, if you're going with the
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 5: UFC crowd, it's like all they want to do is
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 5: find a good way to structure beating the hell out
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 5: of people for an hour and a half. This may
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: not be the worst. I mean, again, if you're looking
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: for that kind of movie. I guess I'm trying to
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: sell it to myself at this point of what's the
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 5: best thing that could come out of this. It's already bad.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: If there's real character development. Sure, it can be a
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: good movie.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 5: But that's within the movie. Yeah, that's true, which rarely happens.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: But you're only going to get so much out of
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 5: this type of story usually. I'm not saying it's impossible
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 5: to do something great with it, but usually they're not
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 5: even trying to do something great.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 4: If I was going to remake Bloodsport, it would be
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: about a guy who came back from the war, and
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: he's depressed, and he's watching movies, and he starts seeing
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 4: these horrible remakes of all his favorite movies, and he
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: goes around... beats the crap out of the people who
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: remade his favorite movies.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: You could call that Falling Down 2. He drives back
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: into Los Angeles and beats the shit out of people.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 5: Isn't this how we build the fanboys, too, that we
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 5: were just going to drive out there and beat the
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 5: hell out of the people who made them?
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 5: Or George Lucas, whatever.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: Or George Lucas, right.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 5: Anybody involved in that. All right, so I think that
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 5: does it for the buzz, so we'll try to wrap
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 5: up this one Okay, kids, get out your decoder pins.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 6: Get out your decoder pins.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: Nobody cares. I'll put in my own damn fanfare.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 11: Now.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 5: It is time for the Movie All-Time Secret Circle Reel
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 5: of the next exciting feature, which we will actually be
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 5: going out into the world next week. We'll be coming
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 5: to you semi-live, I guess, as much as we ever are,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 5: from the Petersville Car and Bike Show, including our sofa
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 5: theater feature Thunder Road. We'll have to see who actually
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 5: makes it out there. It'll be an interesting setup. I'm
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 5: going to be wandering around, possibly annoying people. I'm going
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 5: to try to bug Eddie for a while. So yeah,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 5: we'll see what happens. But it should be interesting either way,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: another parking lot episode. I'm sure. Just be loitering in
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 5: the parking lot around cars and talking about movies and
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 5: people probably just ask me to go ahead.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: Staring weirdly at you.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which happens most of the time, really.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 5: Anything else to pass along this episode?
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 7: I have a really funny story.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. All right.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 5: Is this an official?
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 7: It is loosely movie related.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 5: Okay. But is it an official Marlena moment?
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 7: I would say so, yes.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 5: All right. It's time for another Marlena moment.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 7: So last night, my friend and I went to Mods vs.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 7: Rockers at Knopf Bar. It's held by her boss every year.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 5: What is this for people who don't live here?
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 7: It is like motorcycles vs. scooters, pretty much.
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  Speaker 5: Another dorky event.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and well, you know, we got there kind of late,
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 7: and we were the only people dancing, as usual. And she,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 7: I might go out, I go out like, a couple
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 7: of times a week, but I'm not much of a drinker. Like,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 7: one or two drinks max for me, and I'm, like, wasted.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 7: She drank four or five beers, which is very tiny.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 7: That is her limit. Because her boss kept buying her drinks,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 7: knowing that she had to be at work at 11 a.m.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 7: the next day, which is not really that early, but,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 7: you know. So she gets sick, very sick, on the
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 7: way back home. And this is sort of a gross story,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 7: but it was just so hilarious. So she's throwing up
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 7: in this styrofoam cup. And as she's doing it, she's
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 7: making this noise that sounds like a Pee Wee Herman noise.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 7: You can tell it's like she's talking in Pee Wee
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  Speaker 7: Herman voice.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm laughing.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: Like you just revealed the word of the day or something.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 5: Yes. Every time somebody says the word, throw up real loud.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 5: All right. I see where we're going.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 7: And I'm laughing so hard that I'm crying and surfing
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 7: all over the road, even though I was sober. And
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 7: she realizes that she sounds like Pee Wee Herman, and she's, like, laughing.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 7: And it was just really hilarious. He would have had
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 7: to have been there mostly, but.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: Most of your stories you have to be there.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And that doesn't really work because nobody's ever there.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, it's just about... Well, it works because
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: you're there. Yeah, I was there.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 7: It was funny.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 7: As she was throwing up into the styrofoam cup, she
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 7: realized that she sounded like Pee Wee Herman.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: Did she realize it without you saying?
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: You thought it, and she knew it.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we share a brain, so she got it.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 5: At any point during this process, did she start doing
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 5: the Pee Wee dance?
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 7: No, she seemed to be, like, driving me.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 5: Did Tequila start playing at some point? Because that would
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 5: have been kind of awesome, actually.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 7: That would have been.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 8: I should have.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 7: I should have, like, a CD of that ready.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 5: You should have that on your phone at all times
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 5: and just.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a gross story, but it was very funny.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 5: That seems to be the theme of most of your
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 5: moments lately. Grossness.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 7: But the funniest part was that she realized it and she's, like,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 7: laughing and she can't stop. She's like.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 7: And I was laughing. I mean, you never want to...
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 7: be sitting next to your friend who's violently ill and
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 7: be laughing so hard you're crying. It's not a good feeling.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: So that's, on that cheery note, I guess we're done
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 5: with the episode. Good thing you listened this far. Like
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 5: a bonus.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: I know, yeah.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 7: It was much funnier and less depressing than it happened,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 7: I guess.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 5: No, it doesn't sound fun then either.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 7: It was funny for me.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 5: Because it wasn't me.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: It was hilarious.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 5: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 5: Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 5: He's dead now. Actually, we don't know where the hell
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 5: he is.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: That's not funny. That's not funny because he might be dead. No.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: I love it when people laugh and say, that's not funny.
• 2:11:06
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