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RAPED, BLUDGOENED "TRAIL MOM" RACHEL MORIN'S MOM SPEAKS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace August five, September five, October five,
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Speaker 1: November five, December five, January five, February five, March five,
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Speaker 1: April five, eight months since this incredibly beautiful woman, but
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Speaker 1: forget her physical beauty, mother of five, mother of five.
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Speaker 1: Let that sink in. I'm a mother of two and
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Speaker 1: I can hardly hold it together every minute. I need
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Speaker 1: to do something else for the twins. A mother of
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Speaker 1: five is found naked, raped, bludgeoned so badly her face
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Speaker 1: was practically gone. She had been beaten so badly and
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Speaker 1: left out on the maw and paw hiking trail. Who
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Speaker 1: did this thing? As a family member of a murder
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Speaker 1: victim myself, it's really hard to take the next step
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Speaker 1: to actually take a shower and get dressed and drive
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Speaker 1: to the store, or go back to school, or resume
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Speaker 1: your job, or listen to the phone ring or play
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Speaker 1: music on your car radio. Yeah, all of that's hard.
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Speaker 1: This mother of Rachel Morin, she's stuck in a quagmire.
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Speaker 1: She can't move forward, she can't go back because there
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Speaker 1: is no justice. I'm talking about beautiful mom of five,
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Speaker 1: Rachel Maurn. We've got the purpse DNA. We've got a description,
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Speaker 1: We've got one heck of a composite, but no purp. Today.
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Speaker 1: Joining me Rachel's mother, I'mancy, Grace. This is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Good evening, and thank you for being with us. With
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Speaker 1: each tick of the clock, each moment, each minute, each
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Speaker 1: hour that passes the memory of Rachel Mooren and the
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Speaker 1: facts surrounding her murder fade, this is exactly what a
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Speaker 1: defense attorney wants when the time comes for this to
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Speaker 1: go to trial. Nobody remembers, nobody recalls what happened to
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Speaker 1: Rachel Lauren just simply out for a walk. I remember,
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Speaker 1: Let me jog your memory. Take a listen to Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Galler.
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Speaker 2: It probably eleven twenty three last evening, our deputies responded
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Speaker 2: to a report of a mission person. It was reported
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Speaker 2: by the individual's boyfriend that Rachel Morien, who's aged thirty seven,
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Speaker 2: headed out from her home on Old Emerton Road around
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Speaker 2: six pm to go to the Mompat Trail. Once she
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Speaker 2: had not returned as and when expected, the family was
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Speaker 2: obviously concerned. Initial information from the boyfriend. Again, the caller
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Speaker 2: who reported her mission indicated her car was at the
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Speaker 2: lot at the trailhead here on Williams Street. Behind like
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Speaker 2: we're independent Brewery is the people that are familiar with
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Speaker 2: bell Air. The car was there, but she was not
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Speaker 2: as bel Air.
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Speaker 1: Maryland with me an incredible panel, a brain Trust renowned psychologist,
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Speaker 1: a death investigator, an investigative reporter, an FBI profile and author,
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Speaker 1: a high profile lawyer. But first I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: to a very special guest. I've thought about her, I've
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Speaker 1: wondered about her, I've prayed for her, and now I
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Speaker 1: get to speak to her. Rachel Mourn's mother, Patty ms Morn.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it. I appreciate
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Speaker 3: you keeping Rachel's story a life. I think that's the
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Speaker 3: most important thing right now.
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Speaker 1: I do too. And with you is high profile lawyer,
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Speaker 1: the Morn family, attorney from Rice and Martha and sous
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Speaker 1: at Rice Law MD dot com, Randolph Rice, if I
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Speaker 1: may call you Randy, Randy, just very quickly. Isn't it
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Speaker 1: true that the longer a case is delayed, the worst
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Speaker 1: it is for the victim's family and the prosecutor.
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Speaker 4: Certainly, I mean we've obviously seen that with Patty and
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Speaker 4: the family that they've had to go through, as you
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Speaker 4: said at the lead, eight months of just agony and
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Speaker 4: desperation that they have.
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Speaker 5: Not caught this man. They know who he is, we
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Speaker 5: know who he is.
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Speaker 4: We've got DNA, we've got a sketch, we've got a video,
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Speaker 4: but we just don't have a name. And that's what
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Speaker 4: we need. That's what Patty and the family needs right now,
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Speaker 4: is a name. And this is what we needed to happen.
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Speaker 4: We need more people to see these sketches, we need
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Speaker 4: more people to see the video. Hopefully somebody comes forward
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Speaker 4: and says, I know who that guy is right there.
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Speaker 5: I know who he is. That's so and so.
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Speaker 1: Guys, for those of you that may have forgotten the
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Speaker 1: facts of the case, listen again to Sheriff Jeffrey Galler.
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Speaker 2: Well, it was all of our hope, certainly mine and
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Speaker 2: everyone standing up here with me and the men and
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Speaker 2: women of our office and all of our citizens, that
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Speaker 2: Rachel will be found safe. At about one oh seven PM,
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Speaker 2: a citizen called nine one one to report a female's
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Speaker 2: body had been located off the trail. At that time,
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Speaker 2: it was obvious that this.
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Speaker 5: Person was deceased.
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Speaker 2: Uh the investigation was went from a missing person investigation
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Speaker 2: to a homicide investigation.
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Speaker 1: Miss Moran, Rachel's mother or speaking out today, Miss Moran,
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Speaker 1: When did you learn that Rachel was missing?
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Speaker 3: It was actually I will, and this is going to
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Speaker 3: sound kind of weird, but I woke up the morning
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Speaker 3: that they found her body and we were still in
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Speaker 3: Kentucky because I had a grand baby that had passed
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Speaker 3: away and we had just did a funeral for her.
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Speaker 3: And I woke up and I said, I just have
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Speaker 3: a really bad feeling that something's happened to Rachel. And
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Speaker 3: my oldest daughter, who wrote down with me, she checked
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Speaker 3: on Facebook and she messaged other family members and it
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Speaker 3: was while she was on Facebook that she found out
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Speaker 3: that Rachel had been reported missing. Nobody contacted us before then,
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Speaker 3: and then it wasn't until after they found Rachel's body
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Speaker 3: that the sheriff Department used one of my children's phone
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Speaker 3: to contact me to let us know that they had
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Speaker 3: found her body. So we kind of didn't know until
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Speaker 3: after the fact she'd been missing an already.
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Speaker 1: Past Who told you that Rachel was missing and who
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Speaker 1: told you that her body had been found?
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Speaker 3: My oldest daughter saw the post on Facebook on the
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Speaker 3: Sheriff's web page. And then it was the investigating detective
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Speaker 3: at the time that had called using my son's phone
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Speaker 3: to let us know that they had found her and
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Speaker 3: they believed that it was her and that she had
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Speaker 3: passed away. Well, they found her body.
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Speaker 1: And really all of this was instigated because you had
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Speaker 1: a quote bad feeling, Miss Morn. I've got to tell
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Speaker 1: you something. When my fiancee was murdered, I had just
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Speaker 1: walked out of a statistics exam and I was on
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Speaker 1: my way to my job in the library, and I
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Speaker 1: got a message to call Keith's family, and I knew
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Speaker 1: right then that Keith was dead. That minute when they
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Speaker 1: picked up the phone and said hello, I said, it
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Speaker 1: is Keith gone. I knew. I don't know how that happens,
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Speaker 1: Miss Morn. I don't know how that happens, but it happened.
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Speaker 1: What was the feeling that you had. What did it
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Speaker 1: feel like.
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Speaker 3: When I woke up? It felt like it felt like
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Speaker 3: a shadow. It also felt like like profound like sadness, emptiness,
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Speaker 3: like I just knew that there was something that I
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Speaker 3: think it's just mother's intuition. I just knew there was
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Speaker 3: something that wasn't right. That there was something terribly wrong,
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Speaker 3: but I didn't know what it was. And when my
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Speaker 3: kids were younger, teenagers, and they would, you know, go
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Speaker 3: spend time with their friends, I would know if they were,
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Speaker 3: you know, being honest or not. It's like a mother
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Speaker 3: just knows her children. I can't explain it. I don't
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Speaker 3: profess to be psychic or anything. I just think it's
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Speaker 3: because we are close knit family. And so my oldest daughter,
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Speaker 3: knowing that mom's intuition is usually correct, she went looking,
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Speaker 3: contacting her brother's and to see, you know, if everybody
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Speaker 3: was okay, and that's how we found out.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember what you were doing when you were
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Speaker 1: told that Rachel's body had been found.
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Speaker 3: I was at my son's house. We were getting ready
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Speaker 3: to come back to Maryland. But we weren't sure what
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Speaker 3: was happening with Rachel. So I wanted to hurry up
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Speaker 3: and come back so we could be part of looking
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Speaker 3: for her. And so we had packed up our things,
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Speaker 3: we were getting ready to pack up the car when
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Speaker 3: we got the phone call that she was missing. I
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Speaker 3: think we were like maybe a half mile, not a
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Speaker 3: half mile, like a half hour or so down the
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Speaker 3: road from my son's house. Heading back, and my daughter
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Speaker 3: that had traveled with me, my oldest daughter, She said, Mom,
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Speaker 3: you need to turn around and go home because you're
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Speaker 3: not going to be able to drive the ten hours home.
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Speaker 3: And so, you know, I thought it was okay, but
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Speaker 3: my son and my daughter insisted that I stay a
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Speaker 3: couple of days to bring my emotions and things under
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Speaker 3: control so I could drive the ten hours back to Maryland.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Miss Moran. What was your
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Speaker 1: initial reaction. I know, when I was told that Keith
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Speaker 1: was dead, I didn't believe it. I immediately thought, wait,
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Speaker 1: this is wrong. There's been some type of an accident,
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Speaker 1: and if I can just get there fast enough, I
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Speaker 1: can get him to a hospital and I can fix it.
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Speaker 1: I can fix this. I couldn't take it in until
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Speaker 1: I saw someone right Bernstein Funeral Home, and that's really
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Speaker 1: when I took in that Keith was actually dead. What
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Speaker 1: was your initial reaction did you believe it? Did you
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Speaker 1: think there had been a mistake.
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Speaker 3: I when I first heard that she was missing, I
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Speaker 3: had hoped that we would find her. When they said
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Speaker 3: they found her body, that was probably you know that
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Speaker 3: you know that it's true because somebody authority is telling
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Speaker 3: you it, but at the same time, you don't want
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Speaker 3: to accept it it's true, like like I.
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Speaker 6: Can't, it's too painful to believe that it's true. And
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Speaker 6: it wasn't.
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Speaker 3: Actually until we unveiled her headstone that for the first
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Speaker 3: time it felt like Rachel is really cold.
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Speaker 5: And sorry.
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Speaker 7: I know that she's gone, but it made it like concrete,
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Speaker 7: like she's she's really.
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Speaker 3: Gone and that I need to.
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Speaker 6: I'm trying to figure out how do I disconnect being
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Speaker 6: a mom from this process of grieving, because I still
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Speaker 6: feel connected to her.
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Speaker 7: So I'm I don't know how I'm supposed to feel.
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Speaker 7: So I apologize for crying. Sorry, it's because it's so
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Speaker 7: very sad to me. I loved Rachel very much. I
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Speaker 7: love all my children, so it's it's just it's been
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Speaker 7: just like very hard. It's been very hard for all
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Speaker 7: of us.
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Speaker 3: Actually.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, joining me is Rachel Moren's mother speaking out before
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Speaker 1: we delve into the facts and what we know right
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Speaker 1: now about catching the killer. When we were on break,
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Speaker 1: Miss Moran, you said, I can't believe it's been eight
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Speaker 1: months and it's not getting any better.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you would, Well, I suppose I would think it's
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Speaker 3: been eight months, but the emotion is still so strong,
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Speaker 3: and like the grief and the sorrows, it's very it's
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Speaker 3: still very intense. It's just so sad, like she should never.
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Speaker 1: Have died, Like she didn't do anything wrong.
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Speaker 3: She was just walking the trail, which she does all
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Speaker 3: the time. They've been doing it since they were little
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Speaker 3: kids and we moved here to Maryland. That was one
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Speaker 3: of the things we did after supper is we would
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Speaker 3: go as a family walk the trail. The boys would
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Speaker 3: run into the woods look for bubs and frogs and
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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: You mean this trail or a trail near your family home,
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Speaker 1: this trail.
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Speaker 3: We lived a block from this trail for over ten years.
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Speaker 1: So this was her childhood home and childhood area. So
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Speaker 1: she had walked this trail many, many times. And there's
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Speaker 1: a lot too what you just said, her familiarity with
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Speaker 1: the trail, feeling at home or at ease there to
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Speaker 1: the point where I'm sure no fault of her own.
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Speaker 1: I do it too. She fell at ease and probably
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Speaker 1: let her defenses down like we all do when we're
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Speaker 1: at home or we're doing something we do every day.
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Speaker 1: That's normal. Karen Stark, Can you weigh in on with me,
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Speaker 1: as Karen Start, renounced psychologist, TV radio trauma expert at
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Speaker 1: car start dot com, careen with a C in case
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Speaker 1: you're trying to reach her. Can you, and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you can. I'm just the JD. You're the shrink. Can
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Speaker 1: you assign a word or words to what missus Warren
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Speaker 1: is going through?
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Speaker 8: This is so typical of grief, Nancy. I mean I
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Speaker 8: recognized it right away. I'm sure you did too. That
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Speaker 8: you just can't accept that the person has died, and
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Speaker 8: it takes a very long time for that to sink in.
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Speaker 8: You're also talking about a mother, that connection, that mother's
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Speaker 8: instinct that she talked about, and that will never go away,
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Speaker 8: that feeling of being connected, but having to accept it.
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Speaker 1: It takes a.
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Speaker 8: Long time till we're able to accept the loss of
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Speaker 8: a child who should never die. Before you, it's not
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Speaker 8: the way it's supposed to work.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about the killer and where do
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Speaker 1: we get that information from the crime scene? Listen?
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Speaker 9: Since the body of Rachel Marinn was discovered in a
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Speaker 9: drainage tunnel not far from the main entrance of the
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Speaker 9: MA and Paw Trail, Michael Gabriziski has spoken out to
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Speaker 9: the media about what he and his stepdaughter found or witnessed.
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Speaker 9: The following information has been reported as fact by Michael Gabrazski.
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Speaker 9: Claim number one, gabriziski stepdaughter Cecilia discovered the body of
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Speaker 9: Rachel Marin in a drainage tunnel. Claim number two. Rachel
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Speaker 9: Marin was lying on her back, fully naked and she
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Speaker 9: had brutal head trauma. It looked like her head had
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Speaker 9: been smashed with a rock. Claim number three. There was
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Speaker 9: a fifteen to twenty foot blood trail, so it looked
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Speaker 9: like she had been beaten and dragged into position. Claim
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Speaker 9: number four. The right side of her face was gone,
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Speaker 9: and claim number five, it looked like the killer was
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Speaker 9: trying to erase her identity.
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Speaker 1: Again. Joining me an all star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now. But I just wanted
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Speaker 1: to say to miss Moran. Miss Moran, I was told
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Speaker 1: nothing about my fiance, says murderers the case surrounding it.
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Speaker 1: Before trial, I was called in as a witness, although
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Speaker 1: I did not see the murder occur, and I remember
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Speaker 1: coming off the witness stand and seeing case bloody shirt
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Speaker 1: on the State's Council table, and it literally stopped me
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Speaker 1: in my tracks. I was not prepared for that, and
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Speaker 1: I want to apologize to you for going through these facts.
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Speaker 1: And the reason I'm doing it, missus Moran, is because
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Speaker 1: these facts are going to help catch her killer. And
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Speaker 1: only these facts are going to help catch her killer.
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Speaker 1: I hate to rehash them with you there, but I
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Speaker 1: want your input. You are her mother. You know more
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Speaker 1: about her and this trail than anybody on this panel
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Speaker 1: or anybody out there period. So please you, along with
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Speaker 1: your attorney ran off Rice, please jump in whenever you
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Speaker 1: hear something that's wrong or you want to comment on.
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Speaker 1: I want to go now to another special guest joining us,
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Speaker 1: Tim Papa, former FBI profiler, supervisory special Agent. And listen
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Speaker 1: to this founder and behavioral content creator of Storytellers on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: He has walked the trail, he has examined the crime
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Speaker 1: scene from the FBI. Tim Papa, Tim helped me out
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Speaker 1: what is taking so long. We've got the guy's DNA,
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Speaker 1: We've got what I believe to be an excellent composite,
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Speaker 1: and you know composites can go in a lot of
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Speaker 1: different directions. Example, have you seen those sketch artists drawings
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Speaker 1: of what goes on in federal court where they're on
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Speaker 1: our cameras. Nobody looks like those sketches at all. I've
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Speaker 1: worked on a lot of composites, including composites post mortem
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Speaker 1: of victims when I needed somebody to identify a victim.
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Speaker 1: What I'm telling you is, I think this is a
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Speaker 1: pretty good composite. So that said, Tim Pappa, help me.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 10: I mean, the timing is frustrating. But if you have
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Speaker 10: an inexperienced killer, which is what I think we have here,
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Speaker 10: it's true that they might make more mistakes, but it
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Speaker 10: also is likely true that they're not going to have
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Speaker 10: a pattern because they're inexperienced. So they might be learning,
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Speaker 10: but they also might be becoming more reckless in some
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Speaker 10: of their behaviors.
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Speaker 1: Rachel was murdered in brutal fashion in Maryland, bel Air, Maryland.
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Speaker 1: This guy's DNA pops up from a crime scene in
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Speaker 1: LA That's where we're getting a lot of this composite.
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Speaker 1: So he attacks a group of people, a group inside
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Speaker 1: this home. He's brazen. I believe he's sex assault at
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Speaker 1: someone in there. A child came to the door of
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Speaker 1: the room and started screaming and woke everybody up. This
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Speaker 1: guy is brazen. Now how does this guy pop up
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Speaker 1: in bel Air, Maryland and LA Two violent crime scenes,
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Speaker 1: two sex assaults, one murder, and we don't have him yet.
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Speaker 1: So Tim, that's what I'm saying. I think this is
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Speaker 1: a really good composite based on what I can see.
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 10: You know, Rachel may have just been a target of opportunity,
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Speaker 10: but he would have been familiar enough with that trail
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Speaker 10: to know where he might have some cover in timing
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Speaker 10: to attack someone. I think this comes down in relationships
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Speaker 10: that there are still people who are not coming forward
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Speaker 10: who have information.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, hey, I can figure that out, and I'm
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Speaker 1: not an FBI profile or Tim pap. I need a
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Speaker 1: little bit more from you about that. But I also
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Speaker 1: want to say you initially said you believe he's an
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Speaker 1: experienced killer. I know he laid in wait and Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott's going to jump in on that. Joe Scott Morning
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Speaker 1: Morgan because there's a curve, and Miss Moran and Randolph
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Speaker 1: Rice jump in if you know better. But there's apparently
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Speaker 1: a curve in that trail enough to where she could
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Speaker 1: be walking forward and can't see him like a predator,
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Speaker 1: like a wolf, waiting around the curve. And also there
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Speaker 1: was a lot of foliage at the time Rachel was attacked,
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Speaker 1: which could have obscured her vision. He was waiting like
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Speaker 1: a hyena for her to come along. From his vantage point,
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Speaker 1: he could see her coming, but she couldn't see him.
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Speaker 5: Laid a couple of groundworks, so that may help out
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Speaker 5: a little bit.
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Speaker 4: So the video that you saw that was in March
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Speaker 4: of March in Los Angeles of a doorbell camera that
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Speaker 4: captured that individual leaving the home. The belief is that
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Speaker 4: he did not enter the home to that door, so
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Speaker 4: that's why we don't have that. The police don't have
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Speaker 4: that March of twenty twenty three, that video is taken.
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Speaker 4: Then fast forward to August of twenty twenty three when
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Speaker 4: Rachel's body is found on the Man Paul Trail, which
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Speaker 4: anybody from Maryland in that area of Maryland, which is
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Speaker 4: the northeast part of Maryland, will tell you that the
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Speaker 4: Man Paul Trail is not a trail that.
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Speaker 5: Is easy to find.
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Speaker 4: It is off the beaten path, it is not near
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Speaker 4: the main drag. You have to really know the area
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Speaker 4: or get familiar a little bit with the area or
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Speaker 4: have some connection to the area to be able to
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Speaker 4: find the Man Paul Trail. It's not off to Interstate
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Speaker 4: ninety five, which is a very popular interstate that runs
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Speaker 4: up the east coast of the United States, runs through
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Speaker 4: Harford County, but even the Man Paul Trail is probably
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Speaker 4: a good ten to fifteen miles from I ninety five,
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Speaker 4: So this is not a trail where you would just
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Speaker 4: hop off a major interstate and find this trail.
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Speaker 5: So he has to have some knowledge, and.
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Speaker 4: That's sort of one of the reasons why we did
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Speaker 4: what we did early on the investigation of our digital
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Speaker 4: campaign to the Hispanic community, the flyers that we presented
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Speaker 4: in both English and Spanish to those areas, because we
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Speaker 4: believed and we still believe, as Tim indicated that he
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Speaker 4: has a connection to this area, as we believe he
24:12
Speaker 4: also has a connection to that neighborhood in Los Angeles,
24:14
Speaker 4: which is just south of downtown. So hitting those areas
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Speaker 4: hoping that somebody will know him, recognize him, and be
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Speaker 4: able to identify him as what we've been trying to do.
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Speaker 4: We've even got now. Patty can tell you that she
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Speaker 4: went on camera last week and we shot a series
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Speaker 4: of television commercials that we're going to start in the
24:34
Speaker 4: next couple of weeks, digital media, hitting specific zip codes
24:37
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles as well as Hartford County as well
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Speaker 4: as the border communities, because we know this is a
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Speaker 4: Hispanic male who there's a possibility that somebody on the
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Speaker 4: border communities may know who he is as well, and
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Speaker 4: we're going to hit those with social media campaigns to
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Speaker 4: where somebody can see those pictures.
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Speaker 1: Rachel Morin's mother is not able to move forward. She's stuck,
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Speaker 1: and now she's spending her own money, her own savings,
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Speaker 1: to create commercials, create flyers to help catch her daughter's killer.
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Speaker 1: Won't you help us? Joining me is Rachel's mother, Patty
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Speaker 1: Moorean and the family lawyer joining us, Randolph. You have
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Speaker 1: a flyer, Randolph Rise High Profile, a lawyer that is
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Speaker 1: representing the morn family.
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Speaker 5: Sure.
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Speaker 4: So this is the two sided flyer that we sent
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Speaker 4: to ten thousand homes in and around the crime scene.
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Speaker 5: In Los Angeles County.
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Speaker 4: We were able to identify the home based on Google Images.
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Speaker 4: If you take it to look at the video, there's
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Speaker 4: a very unique ridgeline across the street.
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Speaker 5: We were able to search those.
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Speaker 4: Neighborhoods find the home and then pinpoint that and drop
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Speaker 4: a dot and hit ten thousand homes around that through
25:53
Speaker 4: the use of what's called EDDM and I don't mean
25:55
Speaker 4: to get the weeds here, but this is a program
25:57
Speaker 4: that most people won't realize that the postal Service developed
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Speaker 4: to find lost dogs, but we used it to make
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Speaker 4: everybody aware of this man. At the time, we didn't
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Speaker 4: have the sketch, so we were using the video that
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Speaker 4: you see there. We took still shots from that and
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Speaker 4: put it on a reward flyer and delivered to every
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Speaker 4: single home in the neighborhood around that crime seeing Los
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Speaker 4: Angeles at the end of twenty twenty three. In addition
26:23
Speaker 4: to that, we took this flyer, we sent packs of
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Speaker 4: these to every single high school in the area around here,
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Speaker 4: because that suspect is identified as a fairly young man,
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Speaker 4: probably in his mid early twenties, and believing that maybe
26:36
Speaker 4: he went to high school that area. That flyer went
26:39
Speaker 4: to every single high school principal and asked to distribute
26:41
Speaker 4: to their staff, to their employees, to the students, to
26:44
Speaker 4: themselves to try to identify who this man is. And
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Speaker 4: then this was also coupled with a digital campaign that
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Speaker 4: we ran in Spanish to all these Spanish speaking websites
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Speaker 4: in Harford County as well as Los Angeles County at
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Speaker 4: the end of last year. So we're trying every possible
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Speaker 4: way to get these images in front of anybody who
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Speaker 4: can identify just a name. So all we need is
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Speaker 4: a name, and we've put in ten thousand dollars and
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Speaker 4: I got another ten thousand dollars in the rewards now
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Speaker 4: up to thirty five thousand. And we've said to everybody
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Speaker 4: that's listened, tell us a name. You get thirty five
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Speaker 4: thousand dollars.
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Speaker 5: That's all we need.
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Speaker 1: No questions, asked one name, two words for thirty five
27:24
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Ms Mauran, I got to tell you got
27:28
Speaker 1: some lawyer right there. Those techniques that you're employing are phenomenal,
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Speaker 1: especially the use of EDDM, which I believe stands for
27:38
Speaker 1: every Door Direct Mail and that is used by the
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Speaker 1: Postal service guys. In addition to Miss Moran, Patty Moran
27:47
Speaker 1: who is Rachel Morin's mom, and the family lawyer Randolph
27:51
Speaker 1: Rice joining me, FBI profiler Tim Pappa, Karen Stark, renowned
27:57
Speaker 1: psychologist Alexis Terres joining us Crime online dot Com invest
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Speaker 1: heated reporter and death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensicks,
28:09
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
28:14
Speaker 1: and star of a hit series Body Bags with Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, I want to talk about what
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Speaker 1: this crime scene means. You heard earlier Tim Pappa from
28:25
Speaker 1: the FBI formerly FBI say an experienced killer way in.
28:32
Speaker 1: I want to hear your analysis.
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Speaker 11: What's striking to me, Nancy, is that the individual would
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Speaker 11: be this bold even though this trail is in an
28:39
Speaker 11: isolated area, as was pointed out by Tim Off of
28:43
Speaker 11: I ninety five some fifteen miles. However, this is a
28:47
Speaker 11: location this individual felt comfortable enough in to perpetrate such
28:52
Speaker 11: a heinous crime, and he's going to be very familiar
28:56
Speaker 11: with these specific locations within there, these blind spot you
29:00
Speaker 11: had mentioned, the curves, and certainly this ditch. I'm fascinated
29:04
Speaker 11: by this that Rachel's remains would be contained in this location.
29:09
Speaker 11: It would be of interest here to think about what
29:13
Speaker 11: he could have done as far as laying in weight.
29:17
Speaker 11: Did they search that area thoroughly? Were there any tie
29:19
Speaker 11: backs to him, had been camping in the area, had
29:23
Speaker 11: he been seen around that immediate area. And one final
29:27
Speaker 11: thing here, you've got a vicious beast on your hands here.
29:31
Speaker 11: He needs to be found sooner than later, because if
29:35
Speaker 11: he is this bold, and if we are to believe
29:38
Speaker 11: what we have heard this far reported in the news,
29:42
Speaker 11: the level of violence involved in this will be into
29:45
Speaker 11: anybody that would cross his path. This guy's very, very dangerous.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Crime Stories, with Nancy Grace joining me, Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Tereschuk. Alexis, what can you
30:07
Speaker 1: tell us regarding the latest in the search for Rachel's killer.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds to me like the attorney for
30:15
Speaker 1: the family, Randolph Rice, is doing the yeoman's shared work.
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Speaker 3: He is, he's doing what the police should have done.
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Speaker 3: They have been blanketing the area.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
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Speaker 3: I am from Los Angeles.
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Speaker 12: The coverage has been minimal since the crime took place,
30:30
Speaker 12: since everybody saw the video first minut all of the
30:33
Speaker 12: news stations ran and everybody was aware of it. But
30:36
Speaker 12: there have been no sightings of him either in Maryland
30:39
Speaker 12: or Los Angeles. And as the sheriff said, the police
30:42
Speaker 12: are concerned that he may have fled the country, could
30:46
Speaker 12: have gone south to Mexico, he could have gone anywhere.
30:48
Speaker 12: They don't have a name, so he's not on a
30:50
Speaker 12: no fly list. They're not looking for him at the border.
30:53
Speaker 12: The only thing they have is his DNA and luckily
30:56
Speaker 12: it has just been shared nationwide, so it went from Maryland.
30:59
Speaker 12: It was matched in Los angel Peak commits a crime
31:01
Speaker 12: anywhere else? Hopefully not that will show up as well
31:04
Speaker 12: because everything is interconnected.
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Speaker 1: Joining me guys an all star panel and we're trying
31:08
Speaker 1: to make sense of the facts that we know right now.
31:11
Speaker 1: To Patty More and this is Rachel's mother. Are you
31:16
Speaker 1: in regular contact with Ellie law enforcement'.
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Speaker 3: Harford County Sheriff.
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Speaker 1: Yes, What if anything are they telling you? Do they
31:23
Speaker 1: update you on a weekly basis.
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Speaker 3: They do not update me on a weekly basis. What
31:29
Speaker 3: they have told me in the past is they'll release
31:33
Speaker 3: information to me just before it's released to the public.
31:37
Speaker 3: But for the most part, they're keeping everything very close
31:40
Speaker 3: to the chest, and they say is for the integrity
31:44
Speaker 3: of the investigation, and so I know as much as you.
31:49
Speaker 1: Know, so you do get some details prior to them
31:53
Speaker 1: being released. What are they telling you, Patty.
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Speaker 3: The things that they have I've told me is before
32:03
Speaker 3: they released the video to the public, they showed us
32:07
Speaker 3: the video to see if we recognized the person, and
32:12
Speaker 3: then the next day they released it to the public,
32:15
Speaker 3: and then they showed us the sketch of the suspect
32:21
Speaker 3: before they released that to the public. Other than that,
32:24
Speaker 3: there really isn't anything else that like, I didn't know
32:28
Speaker 3: about the hat or any of those things until the
32:32
Speaker 3: sheriff did his podcast where he released all that information.
32:37
Speaker 3: That was stuff that wasn't told to me beforehand.
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Speaker 1: Mis Moran, have you gone back to the spot where
32:43
Speaker 1: Rachel's body was found?
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Speaker 3: Sadly, yes, and it was just recently I couldn't after
32:52
Speaker 3: she passed. We did, and sorry for the poor English.
32:56
Speaker 3: I have a hard time thinking because I'm so emotional.
33:00
Speaker 3: We did a walk, a walk to remember Rachel where
33:05
Speaker 3: there were about two thousand people that had come out
33:08
Speaker 3: for this walk, and it was in August. Then we
33:12
Speaker 3: did a celebration of life service for her and it
33:17
Speaker 3: was broadcast on YouTube so those that couldn't be there
33:23
Speaker 3: could view it and see video clips of her growing up.
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Speaker 1: And then.
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Speaker 3: Since that Walk of life, I haven't been able to
33:33
Speaker 3: bring myself to go on the trail just because it
33:38
Speaker 3: just felt like so fresh, like the death just happened,
33:43
Speaker 3: like it was so fresh. I couldn't bring myself to
33:46
Speaker 3: go near it. But one of my sons, wanting to
33:51
Speaker 3: help me to move forward, said, Mom, it might help
33:57
Speaker 3: you if you just walk and I'll explain thing as
34:00
Speaker 3: we go along the trail. Just thinks that he thought
34:07
Speaker 3: it's speculation, but the things that he thought. But then
34:10
Speaker 3: he brought me to the place where they did find
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Speaker 3: her body.
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Speaker 13: And.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 3: It was very it was very hard, but it was
34:22
Speaker 3: also one of those like signposts that makes it final
34:29
Speaker 3: that she really was in this place at that time,
34:33
Speaker 3: and so it's kind of like a timestamp. But she's
34:39
Speaker 3: not there anymore. And I know that since then people
34:42
Speaker 3: have actually gone to that place, and I know that
34:48
Speaker 3: there's like graffiti that people are leaving behind now and
34:52
Speaker 3: they're like messages to Rachel. But so I walked trail.
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Speaker 3: I haven't been since back since then though with.
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Speaker 1: Me is Rachel's mom, Patty Moorean, Miss Moran. Rachel wasn't
35:09
Speaker 1: just killed, she was brutalized, but you have reason to
35:15
Speaker 1: believe she felt safe on the mon Pot Trail. Why.
35:19
Speaker 3: Yes, the town of bel Air is a small town.
35:23
Speaker 3: We have a community college that's just a little bit
35:27
Speaker 3: of waste from the town, and we have lived here
35:32
Speaker 3: for over twenty years. Everybody it's a small family trail.
35:36
Speaker 3: Everybody in the town walks, runs, bikes this trail. We've
35:41
Speaker 3: been doing it for over twenty years. Nothing like this
35:45
Speaker 3: has happened in our town. Like this, people feel safe.
35:49
Speaker 3: Everyone knows each other. You know, you're on the trail
35:53
Speaker 3: so often that people say hi to each other. It
35:57
Speaker 3: was a very safe place, so she had no reason
36:01
Speaker 3: to believe that she was in harm's way.
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Speaker 5: And it's just to use some perspective.
36:05
Speaker 4: Harford County maybe has five homicides a year, and they're
36:10
Speaker 4: typically either drug related or domestically violent where there's you know,
36:14
Speaker 4: maybe there was something growing. Very rarely do they have
36:18
Speaker 4: these random attacks, and really most people can't have recent
36:23
Speaker 4: memory of anything like this happening in such a small,
36:26
Speaker 4: close knit, almost rural community.
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Speaker 1: Ms. Moran, you stated that as part of that walk,
36:33
Speaker 1: you saw where Rachel's body was found. You know, I've
36:39
Speaker 1: never gone back to where Keith was murdered. It took
36:44
Speaker 1: me so long to get out of that depression. I
36:47
Speaker 1: don't want to retrigger it, especially now that I have
36:50
Speaker 1: children to raise. What went through your mind when you
36:55
Speaker 1: saw that spot.
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Speaker 3: It's it's like I know that it's a fact, but
37:03
Speaker 3: at the same time, it's like I can't believe that
37:06
Speaker 3: it's real or true. It's I can't explain it's it's
37:10
Speaker 3: almost like it's surreal. It's like you have to separate
37:15
Speaker 3: this is a fact from your emotions. And so in
37:22
Speaker 3: a part of my brain is like, yes, this is
37:24
Speaker 3: a fact, but I still can't. I'm still having a
37:27
Speaker 3: hard time just thinking that she's gone, Like I just
37:34
Speaker 3: I can't comprehend. I know that it's true, but my
37:38
Speaker 3: heart won't let me comprehend it.
37:41
Speaker 13: And so that's why I avoided the avoided the trail,
37:46
Speaker 13: and avoided the tunnel because I wanted to avoid the pain.
37:55
Speaker 13: So yeah, so in one sense, it did help to
37:59
Speaker 13: go there and to see it, because then it's like
38:04
Speaker 13: your emotions aren't running all over the place. You have
38:07
Speaker 13: some fact to settle on. But at the same time,
38:11
Speaker 13: it's it's very hard because then you have to accept
38:14
Speaker 13: the fact is true. I have to accept the fact
38:18
Speaker 13: that she has passed away that she's been killed, and
38:22
Speaker 13: so it's it's been hard, like I don't know how
38:29
Speaker 13: I'm supposed to I don't know how I'm supposed to be.
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Speaker 1: Won't you help us help Rachel's mother? Just two words?
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Speaker 1: Two words for thirty five thousand dollars four one zero
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Speaker 1: eight three six seven seven eight eight repeat four one
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Speaker 1: zero eight three six seven, seven eight eight, Just two words.
39:03
Speaker 1: We stop and remember American hero police officer Matthew Rugie,
39:10
Speaker 1: just twenty seven years old. Matthew Rugie shot down into
39:16
Speaker 1: line of duty along with officer Paul Elmstrand and firefighter
39:21
Speaker 1: Adam Finseth, responding to a domestic Matthew always dreamed of
39:28
Speaker 1: being a police officer. He loved helping people in need,
39:33
Speaker 1: leaving behind his parents, Sean and Christy, and his family.
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Speaker 1: We remember American hero police officer Matthew Rugie. I want
39:47
Speaker 1: to thank our guests, especially missus morn, but most of
39:54
Speaker 1: all to you for being with us tonight and every
39:58
Speaker 1: night in caring about the people and the cases that
40:03
Speaker 1: touch our lives. Nancy Grace signing off, good night friend,