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Grumpy People, Talking Football/The CFL Outsiders S03 E20 · The CFL Outsiders

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  Hey kids. Welcome back to another episode of the CFL Outsiders.
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  I remain, as always, your 100% impartial,
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  completely unbiased and completely clueless host,
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  Old Man Shouting at Clouds. Joining me this week is MJ2.
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  I spent some time in a junior high school today so my ears are still ringing.
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  better you
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  than me. And also with us, MJ.
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  hey everyone. just like I said last year,
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  I'm very grateful to be living,
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  working, and watching football on Treaty Six.
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  Yes.
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  And that's ~ good timing for that.
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  This will be dropping on Truth and Reconciliation Day.
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  So I see that I wasn't the only one inspired.
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  We've all got sort of appropriate shirts on.
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  I've got the Saskatchewan Indigenous logo.
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  MJ's got
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  Nine.
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  the the elk, which is a great one,
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  and MJ too has Groucho Marks,
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  Keep it real.
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  no.
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  Louis Riel, yes. I knew that.
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  Does this make you a Bombers fan?
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  No.
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  But I did get this at the forks in Winnipeg on a trip there,
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  so yeah. Love Winnipeg. Yes.
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  Yeah. Yes. And the forks. If anyone's out there and hasn't
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  Yeah.
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  Yes.
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  it's
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  that's well worth taking in that complex.
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  It's ~ it's great. Yes indeed.
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  I forgot I sh I have a pin that I should have been wearing too that I picked
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  up last year from this. But well.
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  It's around somewhere. Any ~ any plans for
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  the the day off or doing anything to celebrate with it?
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  You do get the day off in Alberta,
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  haven't thought that far.
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  do
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  you not?
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  Well, not really. So so I'm working tomorrow,
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  No, not really.
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  do you not? I thought it was national.
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  but
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  well
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  I know B C here is a official stat holiday.
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  I thought that was national. Well that's
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  No. ~
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  my work is closed. My husband's is not.
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  ~ school is closed. So ~ my son and I will do something.
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  Okay. Yeah. Well
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  We'll we'll figure it out.
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  that's unfortunate. It's ~ we should really be,
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  I think, all acknowledging this better and it's it's a shame it doesn't
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  get like I said, I'm shocked by that.
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  Anyway, maybe we should talk about football 'cause that's not that's
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  a happy story even if ~ even if we haven't turned the corner on where
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  we should be yet on truth and reconciliation.
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  Okay, so ~ few little quick
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  Tidbits first of all. Tell me if I read this wrong.
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  I saw a couple of reports last week that the CFL voted to say,
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  yeah, we'd really love to have a team in Quebec City.
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  But that was about it.
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  There was no real announcement about an owner or anything happening.
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  And it was, you know, if we get a stadium we could be playing in a few years.
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  But did did I read that wrong?
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  Is more information out there.
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  ~ I'm gonna say his last name wrong,
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  but I think it's William Trudel.
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  Trudel? Trudel? ~ he's a real estate investor in Quebec,
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  and he's all about building, he's like,
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  what's great for the city is what I want to be involved in.
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  So it sounds like he's the one behind,
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  he's the franchisee owner, and would be the one behind.
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  hoping to get that team up and running.
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  Yes, but I didn't see the CFL saying that they were had voted to take
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  his expansion offer It was just
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  Yeah.
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  i as I read it, it was just it was really rather weird.
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  It was like put something news cycle.
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  Yes.
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  I think that they
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  underestimated the Quebec sports news cyc cycle and reporters,
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  and I think this got out before they intended it to.
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  Quebec takes their sports very seriously,
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  okay. That that may be
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  Yeah.
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  and
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  so if there was even a whisper of something,
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  you knew that it was gonna be everywhere.
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  Because I feel
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  Yeah.
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  like they caught on to it way before and then now that it's come about again,
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  it it seems to have more detail this time because there was ~ I forget what article
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  it was ~ I was looking this up 'cause there was an article from
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  a Quebec newspaper and they were able to get in touch with his like ~
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  real estate development company and they said,
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  Yeah, this is in the works, no further comment,
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  but yeah, like we're hoping to be involved in this expansion.
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  So that kind of I guess confirmed who it was through backdoor channels.
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  but yeah, CFL officially, I don't know if they've said anything.
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  I think they're like
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  the governors and the ownership voted to approve it if he wanted to do it.
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  Yeah. Yes.
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  ~
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  I saw somewhere that they needed provincial funding for this stadium.
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  And I was like, friends, maybe you should watch a little show called
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  Who Killed the Montreal Expos
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  Yeah.
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  and their quest to get funding from the provincial government for their new stadium.
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  ~
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  Yeah.
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  I know I really I very much want to be optimistic about this,
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  and it would be
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  really great and Quebec is such a great football province.
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  I just ~ I I I just wanna hedge that bet a little bit.
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  Yeah, 'cause
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  they were saying that I forget how many million bajillion dollars it was,
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  but they're again, I should have cited my sources,
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  but in one of the articles, it was talking about how the old Quebec Nordiques arena
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  is being demolished and so they want to build the new stadium there,
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  but again would require like three levels of government funding.
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  Yeah.
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  but I mean that's happened for hockey,
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  but how will that happen for
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  the CFL will that bring as much money?
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  Maybe. but I think that the league is happy.
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  I was looking and it's a $25 million franchise fee to join.
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  So ~ the CFL is like
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  Nothing.
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  yes please join. Build your stadium
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  Yeah, what a great idea.
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  Please, please build your stadium.
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  Can you build Calgary's,
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  But yeah.
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  please?
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  Hey, Calgary hired an architect apparently to this no,
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  No, the UFC the U that's the U of C's arena.
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  that was University of Calgary.
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  UFC's, yes, sorry, my bad.
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  That's that's not that that's not them.
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  Yeah. No, that this
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  one this one just struck me as a weird nothing burger,
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  and I don't blame the CFL because they didn't confirm or deny anything.
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  So this was obviously three down nation and others getting their news
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  in and reporting it. But but if the vote actually took place,
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  it seems strange to me to be voting on something that's not an actual proposal
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  to expand.
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  It's just saying, Would we like to go here?
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  What's
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  the thing the same like concept of a plan?
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  Yeah, I wanna
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  vote on a dream. My dream is for the Ti cats to win the Greek Cup.
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  Yeah.
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  I would I me
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  Second seconded
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  Yes, there we go. Okay.
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  Moving on to other stuff. Other stuff.
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  They announced the Great Cup halftime show this week,
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  which is only or was it last week?
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  I don't know now. It's only like four weeks left in the season,
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  which is early compared to last year.
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  Riley Green, a
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  Country music performer out of the United States of America.
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  I don't know what else to say.
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  Do ya listen to Riley? Are you happy with it?
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  I have lots of thoughts. I don't know.
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  Go ahead.
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  Well,
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  I will start. I feel like I gotta do like the the positive burger.
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  I'm really happy that Sarah McLaughlin is gonna be singing the national anthem.
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  Ciao!
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  I'm excited. Jim Cuddy and Greg Keeler will be in town.
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  So I mean I don't have Grey Cup tickets yet,
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  but that's a draw for me for the pregame.
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  They have a CFL, the CFL has a Grey Cup song.
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  Has anyone heard this?
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  No, I didn't.
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  It's called Saddle
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  Up by Lewis Cardinal. And it's been out like all summer.
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  So they hired someone to
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  What?
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  write a Grey Cup song. So all of these are Canadian performers.
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  So I was like, yeah. So I'm celebrating the Canadian performers part
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  of this ~ musical event.
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  ~ right, so let me ~ I didn't know who Riley Green was and I had to Google him.
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  And in Googling, I came across some things that make me wonder what
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  the Grey Cup committee was thinking.
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  in 2019, Riley Green had a song called Bury Me and Dixie removed from Spotify
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  because it was deemed too racist.
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  Mm.
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  In 2023, in he changed his lyrics in his song from Bud Light to Coors Light
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  to boycott Bud Light having a transgender person in their ad.
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  So he was part of that. 2026,
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  he's on tour with on the MAGA Kid Rock tour this sum this year.
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  What it makes me so did you did they know about these things and decided
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  to hire him anyway, or did they not do any due diligence and hired him?
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  And either way really upsets me.
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  honestly, I don't know how to be an ally and support the CFL right now.
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  How do I look somebody in the eye and be like,
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  you should watch CFL football?
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  And this is who is our main attraction at the Grey Cup.
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  I I don't know,
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  This is
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  I just
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  and this is where I think I I get upset because for choosing
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  the halftime acts, is that the Grey Cup committee?
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  So that's a separate committee from the CFL,
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  but does the CFL n approve or is it like you guys go and plan your festival
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  and your people and carry on Calgary Grey Cup committee?
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  Like because I don't know, I'm with you with
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  Everything that is going on in Alberta,
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  ~ right now when it comes to relationships with the US,
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  I just thought this ~ like you know,
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  like they knew, they knew. So maybe this guy has a lot of hits.
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  ~ I think one of his songs made number one in Canada.
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  So people clearly are listening to him.
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  not my music, but also I think
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  There there were other choices and why this like I I don't know.
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  So I'm not I'm not excited about it at all.
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  Yeah. Well I did I didn't know anything about him at all,
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  other than they said he was a country music performer.
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  My first thought was, you know,
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  rather predictable. I would have expected that there especially in this time when
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  Americans are not generally popular with most most Canadians,
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  that they should have been able to come up with a Canadian act.
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  There's Lord knows we have lots of talent up here.
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  Now it
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  Like was Orville Peck
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  not available? Like like so many.
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  Tate McCrae, like it's so many country artists.
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  I'm yeah.
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  whether you go country or not,
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  there is a lot of good Canadian talent,
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  as good as anything in the world.
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  Now, MJ, you tell me all this stuff about the rest of the stuff he's supporting
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  in the background of it. That's a real fail from the the CFL.
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  that is and I feel sort of like you.
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  I'm I'm hanging on to my C to be quite honest with you,
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  I'm hanging on to my C FL fandom by
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  And increasingly thinning hair.
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  It's I I'm not gonna be one of these people who says,
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  ~ I'm not gonna watch any CFL out of protest of the rule changes.
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  You know, they'll make the rule changes,
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  we'll see what they are. But frankly,
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  I don't know if I'm gonna be interested.
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  Because through this whole process,
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  every step of the way, the league has shown no respect for the fans.
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  They haven't
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  consulted, they haven't asked what people want.
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  They've just said, This is what we're doing and you're gonna like it.
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  So we'll see. I don't know. We'll see if I like it next year.
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  I don't know. I
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  had it out with a very popular CFL influencer on Instagram that did not seem
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  to give a crap that this guy was a mega guy and had all this stuff.
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  So maybe I'm not a CFL fan that the CFL wants anymore.
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  That's what I thought this week.
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  Yeah, that could be. I mean there's there's gonna be lots
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  Thanks.
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  I was like, maybe I am
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  not what you are interested in.
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  And you know what? Like like you like you,
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  ~ I'm hanging on by thread and you can like someone much wiser than me.
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  once told me that you can choose what you spend your time and money on.
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  You can choose and so I have chosen CFL,
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  but I don't how can I choose this when this is what keeps happening?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I I cannot disagree with you. I don't
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  That's why
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  I think I'm so
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  Like when I was looking at the lineup of these amazing Canadian performers that
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  would draw a crowd and that's the best you could come up with.
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  Like and and how many people did that go through before like clearly people brought
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  this up. Clearly people knew what has happened and they didn't care.
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  And I'm wondering who they think is going to show up to watch this.
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  that are they going to get any new fans?
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  Is that part of the goal?
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  You're like you guys said, actually this made me even less interested
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  in the Grey Cup and it's in my hometown and I don't really wanna go.
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  I'd rather watch it from home and fast forward,
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  which that's not what you want fans to be seeing about the biggest game
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  No.
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  of the season.
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  No. No, not definitely not. but I'm I'm calling time out on all this because again,
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  yeah, I'm with you there with all of it.
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  But we're a CFL podcast at this point,
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  so let's try to keep somewhat positive for the rest of this season and
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  ~ then see where the chips fall.
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  I'm moving on to well, a new CFL record.
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  They say you can't win a game just
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  Always kicking field goals, but the Elk and ~ Vincent Blanchard said beg to differ.
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  Nine. Nine field goals.
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  Yeah.
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  Two of them in overtime, mind you,
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  but still nine field goals without a miss.
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  In like
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  it was like a gale force wind on Saturday in Edmonton.
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  Yes.
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  It was gusting like
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  50 kilometers an hour, and those kickers,
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  like I mean Legio also kicked a lot of field goals that game too.
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  There was like 15 field goal attempts of the you know,
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  wild. Wild.
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  Yeah. Yes, indeed.
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  But like nine.
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  Nine.
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  Remember when everyone was mad at him a couple years ago and was like,
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  Yes.
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  whoa,
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  cut him from the team. This guy sucks.
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  Like
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  Yes.
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  Meanwhile, he's
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  just like his new number should be nine.
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  Like honestly, let's get this guy's jersey number,
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  Yeah yeah. Yeah. Yes. The
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  Yeah!
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  number nine.
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  I love it. Perfect. He is like a hero,
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  like folk hero of the elks.
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  Yes.
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  this was throwing the Elk back thirty,
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  forty years back when they were winning the championships with Warren Moon because
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  their style of play in that whole three or four year run that they had
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  was get the ball close enough for a field goal,
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  kick it, don't give up any points.
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  Get the ball close enough for a field goal,
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  kick it. I'm surprised Cutler back in the day didn't have nine doing that,
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  but anyway that's
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  I know, my like thought
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  of that game was like, Do you enjoy conservative play calling and field goals?
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  Yeah. ~ yeah.
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  Is this the game for you?
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  And in the end, nine field goals and a touchdown.
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  And a two-point
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  And a touchdown.
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  convert and then another two point convert forrest in overtime was enough.
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  And b bad news for Yes.
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  I ~ yeah, it's it's silly. I am happy for him.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  unfortunately bad news for my panelists today that knocked the Tiger Cats officially
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  Yeah.
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  out of the
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  playoffs.
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  I feel like it's been a time
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  Sorry.
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  for the kickers lately too because I mean you've got some that aren't making it,
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  but like, you know, you thought,
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  ~ Renee Paradis, like kicking that long field goal.
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  Sixty-two yard field
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  This is
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  Yeah.
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  all we'll be talking about for kickers all
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  season and then Blanchard's like,
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  Nope.
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  Hold my beer.
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  What's happening this week, guys?
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  Like
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  Yeah.
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  Kickers all meet up. Sean White,
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  what do you got?
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  Yeah, what's the kicker's group thread look like group chat look like right now?
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  Yeah, exactly. ~
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  You know they have one.
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  to be an internet
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  Good hopes though.
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  fly on wall. yeah, I'm sure they
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  Yeah.
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  do.
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  anyway, nice work Vincente Very nicely done.
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  Yeah, I'm really happy for him.
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  Yeah. I mean the
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  I'm really happy for him.
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  record is incredible, but just ~ the fact that again without a miss
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  in those conditions, something else.
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  also we had more fines this week that went back two weeks
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  to the brawl in BC. Betts ended up for some reason,
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  didn't get fined in the first round,
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  but
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  got fined twice for a tackle and for an interaction with one of the alouettes.
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  And then at the the same time for last week,
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  the Toronto game, ~ Edmonton Taylor on the D line for unnecessary roughness,
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  who'd been thrown out of that game.
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  Strangely enough, Mitel, who we also all saw on TV
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  Yeah, Mitel didn't get
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  give him the at least the heel of his hand into the crotch,
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  never got any discipline.
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  Mmm, star receiver.
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  Intentional.
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  Unintentional star receiver. Mmm.
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  Yeah.
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  But I got
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  Yeah.
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  curious because I like I mean,
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  I know we hear about fines and I just assumed I don't even know what I assumed,
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  ~ how much that would be. So I got really curious.
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  I'm like, well, how much is a fine?
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  And you don't really know because it all comes down to what that player makes
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  and it comes down to maximum is half the value of a game check,
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  which I'm sure maybe you guys already knew.
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  But I was like, that is interesting.
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  So if you are suspended and fined,
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  like
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  That's a lot of money that you're losing out on.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So good on the CFL
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  for that.
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  bets could potentially have been fined with two of them a full game check.
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  So you never know.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Rewatching
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  this tape continuously? Like why wouldn't you do that the first time?
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  I don't know.
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  That doesn't make any sense. Yeah,
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  Like like who made a complaint?
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  Like the player, coach, safety?
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  did that like did the aloettes
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  lodge a complaint and be like,
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  here, look, like you need to check this again.
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  Is there a time limit, a time frame when when you could issue fines for games?
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  It's a bit weird.
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  Yeah, that's a bit weird.
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  Yes. I
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  d I do hope these are rhetorical questions and you're not looking to me for answers.
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  If if we
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  Yeah.
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  rewind back to my original opening,
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  I did say completely clueless because that's how I feel this week.
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  I don't understand any of this.
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  I just
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  Yeah.
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  I wish
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  there was some transparency about things like this.
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  It yeah, it would be nice to get something other than just a statement,
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  but but there it is. And hey, at least the fines happened,
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  which I think in general
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  Yeah.
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  they look like they were all warranted to me.
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  Maybe
• 19:05
  Betts' D guys will all chip in and help him out.
• 19:08
  Everyone put ten bucks in,
• 19:08
  Yeah. Yeah, who knows? I yeah,
• 19:12
  come on.
• 19:13
  yes.
• 19:15
  Buy him dinner a few nights.
• 19:15
  Sorry, I'm gonna I
• 19:16
  I I I'm gonna
• 19:17
  Yeah.
• 19:17
  do I'm gonna do a one more negative thing here.
• 19:21
  Hopefully it's the last one But I gotta point out with this whole brawl thing
• 19:26
  and the ~ and the lions and the background that went on with it,
• 19:30
  let's remember that they were the team which full credit to them
• 19:36
  They were the team that made a whole public service campaign about don't stand by.
• 19:40
  Don't
• 19:41
  Yeah.
• 19:41
  just see that stuff happening and and let it go.
• 19:44
  Speak up, say something. And I've heard not a single lion
• 19:49
  say anything about what happened with Haggerty.
• 19:52
  So where's your speak up?
• 19:56
  Yeah. Attendance. Okay,
• 19:59
  I told you, I'm sorry, we're gonna lose all any fans we've we've developed,
• 20:02
  It's been a tough week.
• 20:02
  we're gonna
• 20:03
  lose
• 20:03
  with this negative attitude. But I think it's justified
• 20:04
  Been a tough week.
• 20:05
  this week. There's
• 20:07
  not good stuff to start with. Attendance was average.
• 20:11
  Average. We averaged a shade over twenty three.
• 20:14
  Twenty three thousand and eleven was the average for the week.
• 20:17
  Winnipeg had thirty-two and it went down from there.
• 20:19
  I was disappointed to B C only had twenty-four with the riders in town,
• 20:23
  because that's
• 20:24
  Yeah.
• 20:24
  usually a draw and I would have thought higher.
• 20:27
  Edmonton was twenty and they've been building better,
• 20:32
  so that's a little disappointing.
• 20:33
  And Ottawa actually had fifteen and a half thousand out,
• 20:36
  which for them is high. So maybe their fans actually thought we can do
• 20:39
  it this week and they did. Yeah,
• 20:41
  We all did.
• 20:42
  We all did.
• 20:43
  we all did. Yes, we
• 20:44
  had
• 20:45
  We had a few comments on our picks and whatnot.
• 20:47
  Awful lot of red blacks in there,
• 20:49
  I'm seeing.
• 20:49
  Okay.
• 20:51
  Yeah. Yes.
• 20:51
  It wasn't just us, like ever every
• 20:53
  podcast I listened to was like,
• 20:55
  it's the Red Blacks Week. We all were believing.
• 20:56
  Yes, yes I know. And also well
• 20:57
  ~
• 21:00
  your power rankings, we had we had somebody I think you said you went
• 21:05
  on at one point and posted out an apology for ~ misspelling blue bombers
• 21:09
  and we had someone on Reddit complaining about that and the fact that apparently
• 21:14
  you got the capitals wrong in red blacks too.
• 21:16
  There should have been a Yeah.
• 21:18
  I know,
• 21:18
  All caps. They don't deserve it.
• 21:20
  You're slowly sliding off the board
• 21:21
  but hey
• 21:25
  actually. I might put Quebec City at nine.
• 21:25
  Yeah. People are finding stuff to complain about.
• 21:28
  Yeah.
• 21:29
  Yes. Yes.
• 21:33
  Alrighty. what else do we have?
• 21:34
  Okay. player transactions. There's a bunch of them.
• 21:38
  Are they significant or not? I don't know.
• 21:40
  the stamps have brought back Sean Bain Junior,
• 21:43
  who played for them two or three years ago and then had a half
• 21:46
  a season in Saskatchewan before getting hurt
• 21:48
  and
• 21:50
  Came back the following season with the Riders,
• 21:52
  didn't do much this last year.
• 21:53
  He was playing in Europe. So he's back with
• 21:55
  For the
• 21:56
  the stamps.
• 21:56
  for the Paris lights. That sounds fun.
• 21:59
  Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:59
  Dean Faithful. Dean Faithful
• 21:59
  Yeah.
• 22:02
  was also playing for the Paris Lights.
• 22:04
  Yeah. It's a like a CFL
• 22:05
  reunion over there.
• 22:08
  Yeah, but I'm wondering is this because Bagleton is gone?
• 22:11
  are they trying to fill yeah. That's too bad.
• 22:11
  I'm thinking maybe. Yeah. But ~ mind you they have a lot of receivers on that
• 22:14
  Yeah.
• 22:17
  They have
• 22:17
  team and they just keep
• 22:18
  so many they
• 22:18
  didn't even throw to Alfred on the weekend,
• 22:21
  No. Yeah.
• 22:21
  ask me how I know. Like
• 22:25
  Yeah.
• 22:26
  You
• 22:26
  might have been notified a few times.
• 22:28
  Every time they didn't.
• 22:28
  I was deaf I was notified.
• 22:31
  Yeah. So I'm just curious of all the things that
• 22:33
  Okay.
• 22:35
  they could pick up in around trade time that they went for another receiver.
• 22:39
  So yeah.
• 22:40
  Mm.
• 22:41
  Maybe someone's a little more injured than they're letting on.
• 22:44
  Maybe.
• 22:44
  possible, but like I said, they do have a pretty good crew.
• 22:48
  I don't think that's where their issue is.
• 22:50
  Zach got put back on the six game lists,
• 22:53
  so is he done for the season? We don't know.
• 22:55
  He may come off of it.
• 22:57
  He should have just gone to Travis and Taylor's wedding.
• 22:59
  ~ yeah, right?
• 23:00
  Yep. Yeah.
• 23:01
  Yeah. Probably would've would have given the Yeah,
• 23:01
  Like look at what's happened. Look the look at the karma that's happened since
• 23:05
  you didn't not go to that wedding.
• 23:05
  exactly. It would've been a
• 23:07
  would have been a good luck term for him,
• 23:09
  yes. All right, what else?
• 23:11
  I dunno. I feel like he's
• 23:12
  gonna pop off that six game pretty fast if Drew has a bad game,
• 23:15
  right? Like, I don't know. I don't I don't trust my cochet.
• 23:17
  Yes. Or a half of a bad game or
• 23:19
  Yeah.
• 23:21
  yeah. Deontay Williams was extended by the Lions.
• 23:25
  So he's traveled around a bit,
• 23:27
  but they're obviously happy with what he's doing.
• 23:29
  Farhan Louji there last I saw this was just a report,
• 23:32
  wasn't confirmed, but he was saying that the Aloettes have brought back Dylan Wynne.
• 23:37
  the red black cut Adrian Fry, who's
• 23:38
  Former Thai cat.
• 23:40
  Former Ty Cat
• 23:40
  Yes
• 23:41
  Former Tycat, former Argonaut,
• 23:41
  Dylan Wynne.
• 23:43
  former Arg
• 23:44
  Ha ha
• 23:44
  or Aloet. Was he with the Red Blacks?
• 23:46
  Yes, he was, because they cut him this year,
• 23:47
  Yeah, yeah. He was in camp. Yeah.
• 23:48
  so Yeah, yeah. Yes.
• 23:48
  He was on our practice roster.
• 23:50
  Yeah.
• 23:52
  I ex exactly. So Dylan Wynn. All East defensive tackle.
• 23:55
  Still and win. Yeah, I'm
• 23:57
  Not as an award or anything.
• 23:59
  He's just played all over the entire Easter division.
• 24:00
  What?
• 24:02
  He may have won an award. I don't know.
• 24:04
  He might have been an all star.
• 24:05
  What else? Ottawa cut Adrian Fry,
• 24:07
  he started I don't know.
• 24:09
  four to six games this year with them in the defensive backfield.
• 24:12
  And Hamilton traded Julian Hauser to the Aloettes for a yeah,
• 24:16
  Mm. Wow wah wah.
• 24:18
  Tie cats are sellers at the deadline.
• 24:19
  seventh round. Yes
• 24:21
  they are. They ~ sent Hauser and a seventh round pick to Montreal for a fifth
• 24:27
  Fifth.
• 24:28
  round
• 24:28
  pick in next year's drafted. It's almost like giving it away.
• 24:31
  I don't know if it's shedding cap money or what they're doing.
• 24:34
  What?
• 24:35
  Yeah.
• 24:35
  I'm wondering
• 24:36
  what else is going on because well I mean,
• 24:38
  Als are smart to pick up. For whatever reason the Ti cats made that deal.
• 24:42
  good on the Alouettes.
• 24:42
  know his
• 24:43
  I know his contract coming up,
• 24:45
  but you don't give up a player and a draft pick for a draft pick?
• 24:49
  fifth and seventh? Come on.
• 24:51
  And so now
• 24:52
  he's got something to prove. Good luck to you,
• 24:54
  Hamilton. I don't think they're playing again,
• 24:55
  I hope he no, but I hope he goes on a tear just to like yes.
• 24:56
  but Yeah, I hope so too.
• 25:00
  All the best to you,
• 25:01
  Yeah. Well, Montreal's d definitely
• 25:04
  Hauser.
• 25:04
  best to you, Julian.
• 25:04
  beefing Yes.
• 25:07
  The Als are definitely beefing up that D line for a playoff
• 25:11
  run.
• 25:11
  Yeah.
• 25:13
  Alrighty.
• 25:14
  I was thinking about it with the Elk in this last two or three weeks.
• 25:18
  They brought on this Shanderek Powell who's w as a returner and a running back
• 25:22
  for them, who's looked fantastic,
• 25:24
  and then they brought
• 25:25
  Yeah.
• 25:25
  in Washington, I can't remember his first name as a returner,
• 25:28
  and he looked fantastic and I started thinking to myself,
• 25:30
  where do they keep finding guys this good?
• 25:32
  And then I realized that yeah,
• 25:34
  they're good, they really are.
• 25:35
  But they also haven't played.
• 25:37
  Sixteen games of football. They're gonna
• 25:39
  Yeah.
• 25:39
  be a little bit faster and bouncier than everybody else out there for a few games.
• 25:44
  Also,
• 25:44
  Yeah.
• 25:45
  I mean we didn't talk much about the Ti-cats missing the playoffs,
• 25:48
  but I was thinking today how Ed Hervey keeps pulling these guys out of a hat,
• 25:52
  but he didn't do it in Hamilton.
• 25:56
  It makes me wonder what has going on in that front office in Hamilton that they
• 26:01
  could not 'cause they were not good when Ed was there.
• 26:03
  so ~ maybe I'm hoping they get blown out by the red blacks back to back
• 26:08
  and this f forces them to clean house in the front office.
• 26:11
  And maybe maybe you know, GMing by committee is not like the what
• 26:17
  you thought it would be.
• 26:19
  There there is that. I mean I
• 26:21
  And then
• 26:21
  don't know how long they've been GMing by committee,
• 26:24
  but I feel fairly safe in saying that they probably have not won a Grey Cups while
• 26:31
  they've been doing it. Because unless it goes back what are we talking now,
• 26:35
  thirty seven years or something
• 26:37
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:38
  like that. When did they win it last?
• 26:39
  ninety
• 26:40
  Ninety nine.
• 26:41
  nine, so twenties so coming up twenty six years,
• 26:44
  twenty seven years.
• 26:45
  I don't think they've been GMing by committee for twenty seven years,
• 26:48
  but now cause or effect, I don't know.
• 26:52
  Correlation or causative who knows?
• 26:54
  Yeah. But I just think, yeah,
• 26:57
  like who's I don't know, Calgary got rid of Huffnagel and I know that
• 27:01
  he did a really good job ~ scouting I don't really know much about other team
• 27:05
  scouts, but whoever doing it for Hamilton.
• 27:08
  Yeah, you just wonder it's not just like who we see,
• 27:13
  who they bring with them and what they're building and clearly
• 27:16
  That's
• 27:16
  why I wanted Denny McManus to go to Hamilton because like look at Singer.
• 27:19
  Yeah. Yes. He is has such great games.
• 27:21
  Like we don't who are they putting onto the field
• 27:25
  in Hamilton nobody. No one.
• 27:29
  Yeah.
• 27:30
  Anyway.
• 27:31
  Another sad and disappointing season.
• 27:34
  Next,
• 27:34
  Next year.
• 27:35
  Right.
• 27:36
  there's always next year, where they again will have
• 27:38
  Yeah.
• 27:39
  Bo with no adequate backup that Scott Milanovich likes.
• 27:43
  And when Bo gets injured, again,
• 27:45
  because he's older, it'll all crumble again and we will have learned no lessons.
• 27:50
  you're right. My god,
• 27:50
  We've got Frosty the throw man.
• 27:52
  What are you talking about?
• 27:52
  There we go. ~ God, yes.
• 27:53
  I'm sorry. You're right! What
• 27:56
  was I thinking?
• 27:58
  ~
• 27:58
  the Tie Cats are partnering with Porter.
• 28:00
  You can go on a beach vacation with the Tie Cats in November.
• 28:04
  Well.
• 28:04
  And some of the alumni and staff and I was like,
• 28:06
  will they be open to ask answering questions about what happened this season?
• 28:10
  maybe CFL
• 28:10
  Yeah.
• 28:12
  outsiders go to the to go to Cabo.
• 28:15
  Yeah. ~
• 28:17
  You can play
• 28:18
  beach flag football with the players.
• 28:20
  There we
• 28:20
  ~
• 28:20
  go.
• 28:20
  yes,
• 28:21
  yeah. Will Scott be there? Will he answer questions?
• 28:24
  I like that, yes. ~ I tell ya what we
• 28:25
  Yes, will Scott be there and will he answer questions?
• 28:28
  are we are in a collective mood tonight.
• 28:32
  This
• 28:32
  Yeah.
• 28:32
  is really s
• 28:32
  I feel like we are justified with w how
• 28:35
  our team has been playing though,
• 28:37
  to be fair.
• 28:37
  Well there's that
• 28:38
  too, but but lots of stuff. Th this is not the sunshine,
• 28:43
  rainbows and unicorn farts podcast right now.
• 28:46
  This is kind of the grumpy folks talk football.
• 28:47
  I feel like it's been a heavy week.
• 28:49
  Yeah.
• 28:52
  Let's get into the games. See if we can find anything to be grumpy about there.
• 28:55
  and by the way, that was not a criticism of anybody.
• 28:58
  I'm as grumpy as the rest of you tonight.
• 28:58
  It's like, huh, hmm Noted.
• 28:59
  It's just it's a bad week for stuff that's been happening.
• 29:03
  But even
• 29:04
  all of the the n like news and how people have been writing,
• 29:07
  like I feel like the Quebec City thing wasn't as big 'cause everyone's just kind of
• 29:10
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:13
  it's been a weird week.
• 29:13
  I feel like collectively
• 29:14
  it's been a weird week.
• 29:16
  the vibe is off. Hopefully
• 29:18
  Yeah.
• 29:18
  Yeah.
• 29:19
  it gets better. I mean even the games on the weekend,
• 29:21
  the vibe was there was just weird stuff happening.
• 29:25
  we'll start talking about that.
• 29:27
  Toronto goes into Winnipeg and comes out with a thirty twenty eight win.
• 29:31
  And a positive thing. The first
• 29:36
  Penalty that was announced was announced in an indigenous language.
• 29:39
  I'm guessing Cree, but I don't speak it,
• 29:41
  so I don't know for sure,
• 29:42
  So
• 29:42
  but given where the game was, that was it.
• 29:44
  And Ben Major is incredible.
• 29:45
  Yeah, that was in my note. Stand up guy.
• 29:45
  Love Ben Major. Ben Major, what a he's a treasure.
• 29:49
  Yeah.
• 29:49
  He yes. He just
• 29:51
  he's a an excellent referee, excellent at explaining what's going on,
• 29:55
  and yeah, just picks up the the language stuff and everything.
• 29:58
  I love it. But again, this is
• 30:03
  Not the first time we've seen this happen.
• 30:05
  Brady rushed for sixteen times for a hundred and two yards in the first half.
• 30:11
  In the
• 30:12
  Yeah.
• 30:13
  second half, he got thirty seven yards rushing,
• 30:15
  which is better than usual, on four carries.
• 30:17
  So he was still averaging almost ten yards a carry,
• 30:20
  but he got four of them and they lost.
• 30:24
  I know you don't always win by following traditional strategy.
• 30:27
  But if you're a running team, the idea is you run in the first half enough
• 30:31
  to get a lead and to wear them down,
• 30:33
  and then you crush them with your running in the second half.
• 30:35
  Whereas Condell seems to have this strategy up,
• 30:38
  I'm gonna run Brady continuously for the first quarter and a third,
• 30:41
  and then we'll go passing the ball,
• 30:44
  'cause that's better. And they blew another big lead on it.
• 30:48
  They did take ~ eight penalties for ninety two yards.
• 30:51
  They missed a couple of field goals,
• 30:54
  Toronto
• 30:55
  returned one for a field goal,
• 30:56
  Julian yeah, Janarian Grant. Yeah,
• 30:56
  right? Julius Grant, dictionary grant.
• 30:57
  Yes.
• 30:59
  that boring,
• 30:59
  boring field goal return for touchdown that nobody wants.
• 31:01
  Yes. Yes. Yeah.
• 31:03
  So boring. Changed the channel.
• 31:06
  ~ I know. I it drove
• 31:06
  Couldn't stand it. Like
• 31:09
  So five.
• 31:09
  me crazy. I was gonna talk about it in the next game,
• 31:13
  but I'll I'll say it here now.
• 31:15
  In the Saskatchewan B C game, Saskatchewan's first touchdown attempt pass goes
• 31:21
  off the s the uprights. And
• 31:24
  Suter and Smith are all well at least that won't be happening next year.
• 31:29
  Well maybe we shouldn't talk about it because it'll annoy people.
• 31:31
  But that won't be happening next year.
• 31:33
  that is at least we don't have yeah,
• 31:35
  you know what else won't be happening next year?
• 31:37
  Two things. First of all, less important,
• 31:39
  the part of the end zone that Harris was throwing to,
• 31:41
  because he was throwing to the back five yards of it that are gone.
• 31:44
  And the other thing that won't be there next year is Julian Grant
• 31:47
  and other returners doing that stuff.
• 31:49
  So yeah.
• 31:50
  Yeah.
• 31:52
  All in all a loss.
• 31:52
  Dusty was commentating
• 31:54
  that field goal return for touchdown,
• 31:56
  and I would just like Dusty to commentate things in my life.
• 31:59
  Like you finished
• 31:59
  Yes.
• 32:00
  Yeah.
• 32:01
  the dishes. Are you kidding me?
• 32:02
  Yes. Yeah. Yes. Are you kidding me?
• 32:03
  Yeah.
• 32:03
  Look at her, she did it! Like you got to work on time,
• 32:05
  Yes. ~
• 32:07
  like yeah!
• 32:10
  Believeable!
• 32:11
  Are you kidding me?
• 32:13
  Just, you know, like your personal hype,
• 32:14
  man. It'd be great. he announced
• 32:15
  It would be fabulous. I would love it.
• 32:18
  today that he's gonna be doing twenty Ottawa Senator games for TSN this coming year.
• 32:22
  ~ he's a good on air talent. I don't watch or or
• 32:22
  so I'm really happy for him.
• 32:22
  Congratulations. is.
• 32:26
  listen to hockey, but I'm glad that the people that do will be getting
• 32:30
  him 'cause he's very good.
• 32:32
  Yeah. Yeah. My other
• 32:34
  Yes. ~
• 32:36
  favorite part of this game, did you see Pickett do a backflip?
• 32:40
  And I mean we can talk about other stuff,
• 32:42
  but Pickett did a backflip.
• 32:43
  I missed that.
• 32:45
  Yeah, I forget who he tackled.
• 32:47
  I got too excited about the backflip to to know when it happened.
• 32:52
  ~ but it happened in the second half of the game.
• 32:55
  Okay, you've got like your team fired up.
• 32:58
  Like the Argos, meh first half,
• 33:00
  meh, but second half they dominated to the point where you've
• 33:04
  got players doing backflips. I we didn't see any Brady head slapping,
• 33:08
  but we got the the picket
• 33:09
  But we have
• 33:09
  backflip and I thought, ~ the Argos are they're on fire.
• 33:13
  Like they once they started
• 33:13
  Yeah.
• 33:13
  Yes.
• 33:15
  once they started, ~ that second half was they were unbeatable.
• 33:18
  Well and
• 33:19
  Yes.
• 33:19
  Julian Grant threw a pass to Unberger on the punt on
• 33:22
  Yes. The Memphis miracle.
• 33:25
  the punt return for like not just like a short pass like he threw
• 33:30
  it across the field. Was amazing.
• 33:33
  Yes. Yes. Sorry, no, Music City Miracle.
• 33:35
  I
• 33:36
  That was what it was called when Tennessee did it.
• 33:38
  Yeah.
• 33:39
  my goodness, it I that was an amazing play.
• 33:42
  Yes.
• 33:43
  So
• 33:43
  I know we keep talking about how much I love Jason Maas but like I feel like I've
• 33:46
  gotta give the flowers to Mike Miller.
• 33:48
  But like well done. yeah,
• 33:49
  Yeah. Or whoever their special teams coordinator is.
• 33:52
  Mickey Donovan.
• 33:53
  Donovan. yeah, they did a nice close up of him after.
• 33:55
  Yeah, that was
• 33:55
  Nicky Donovan
• 33:56
  is a heck of a good special teams coach.
• 33:58
  Yes, he is. I'll give him that and hey,
• 34:00
  yeah, that's a play that deserves to be pulled out every twenty six,
• 34:03
  twenty seven years.
• 34:05
  Yeah.
• 34:05
  It's probably be illegal next year then.
• 34:06
  Yeah.
• 34:07
  Yeah,
• 34:08
  full yeah, 'cause it's too much fun.
• 34:10
  Full credit to them and yeah, they didn't get a touchdown out of it,
• 34:12
  but they certainly got a lot closer to the field goal they needed.
• 34:15
  So that was good.
• 34:16
  Yeah.
• 34:17
  But then this this game also had Perkins for Winnipeg go in for a one yard sneak
• 34:23
  and take it seventy six yards for a touchdown,
• 34:24
  Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah,
• 34:25
  so there was some excitement.
• 34:29
  a lot of big plays,
• 34:30
  ~ this has got me thinking. I I wanna talk some other things in this game,
• 34:34
  but I was just thinking about how there's kind of a changing of
• 34:37
  the garden play calling and the teams that are really steamrolling are
• 34:41
  the ones with the big explosive plays and they're not grinding it out
• 34:45
  on the short wide outs anymore.
• 34:48
  You have Montreal, BC and Toronto just slinging it and they're not on
• 34:53
  the field like a ton of time, like like last week the Argo said we're on the
• 34:57
  for 21 minutes and won that game because they are just like all out shoot out,
• 35:02
  like okay corral. people are moving away from like the five,
• 35:05
  eight yard passes and then push it through and like it's now it's I've been throwing
• 35:09
  this 50 yards. Let's go. And
• 35:11
  Yeah. Yeah. And
• 35:13
  I actually like it. I enjoy it a lot.
• 35:15
  So I'm having fun.
• 35:17
  Yeah, well I mean
• 35:17
  what's not to like. However
• 35:19
  sorry, I've got my little puppy here now.
• 35:21
  saying hello. it depends on getting behind the defense.
• 35:24
  Which that the whole thing about the bend don't break defense philosophy
• 35:28
  the the zone look that so many people play is that we'll let them march down
• 35:32
  the field, we'll let them march down the field,
• 35:35
  and then when it gets close in they'll get a field goal 'cause
• 35:39
  defense is too tight in the end zone.
• 35:40
  And that still works if you play that way.
• 35:44
  But what you're seeing if you watch games th this week,
• 35:47
  especially the BC Saskatchewan game,
• 35:50
  that Toronto Edmonton game, those things are working 'cause defenses
• 35:54
  are creeping up and letting people get in behind them and letting those
• 35:58
  big plays happen. And if you watch the games with those same teams where that
• 36:04
  doesn't happen,
• 36:05
  Then you find out who can if that's taken away from them can play a regular offense.
• 36:10
  And I feel like Montreal can, and I feel like BC has developed to
• 36:16
  the point where they can. I don't know that Toronto can necessarily.
• 36:20
  Winnipeg knew that they were throwing.
• 36:22
  The the Kelly was their top rusher with twelve yards for the full game.
• 36:26
  was better than the minus one the game before.
• 36:28
  Yeah. That's true. Yeah.
• 36:28
  But you know that they're not running.
• 36:30
  So why are people getting behind you?
• 36:33
  Yeah, I don't get it. Yeah. It's
• 36:35
  And you're
• 36:35
  right, unlike Montreal or or Edmonton and especially B C with like where you've
• 36:40
  got quarterbacks that run, but also running backs that are able to get through,
• 36:44
  that's hard to defend against if you're that coordinator versus a team like Hamilton
• 36:50
  or even Toronto where you know they're always going to throw,
• 36:53
  right? Like Chad Kelly ran a few times in this game,
• 36:56
  but I don't think
• 36:57
  He ran
• 36:57
  twice. Look at that.
• 36:58
  Yes. Yeah. But not by choice.
• 36:59
  well, look at that. A few times.
• 37:00
  A couple. He ran a couple times.
• 37:01
  He ran twice.
• 37:04
  Exactly. But yeah, but like that's easier not easier to defend against 'cause I've
• 37:08
  never done it. But I think if you're building defense around that
• 37:12
  you know that they're going long.
• 37:14
  So I don't know, yeah.
• 37:18
  yeah, what else happened? Winnipeg challenged for PI on a 10-yard PI call,
• 37:23
  like an accidental pass interference.
• 37:25
  I'm like, this is so stupid. And then they lost that challenge.
• 37:28
  I'm like, save it for a deep pass,
• 37:31
  not a ticky-tack 10-yarder. You're gonna get 10 yards for holding.
• 37:35
  Like, I just didn't know what was going on.
• 37:38
  the
• 37:39
  strangest thing. Why would you challenge
• 37:41
  And a yeah.
• 37:42
  that?
• 37:42
  I don't know and and again it was you know,
• 37:45
  they come out they've done this in other games,
• 37:47
  come out looking like they're gangbusters and then just can't sustain
• 37:50
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 37:51
  it for whatever
• 37:52
  reason. you mentioned Singer, them find the de their scouts finding Singer.
• 37:56
  He was
• 37:57
  He
• 37:58
  basically open for the entire first half.
• 38:01
  Anytime they chose to throw the ball in his direction there was nobody within
• 38:05
  the same camera shot almost. And then that just stopped.
• 38:10
  Yeah. things that they did well.
• 38:12
  Chad was getting hit all night long.
• 38:14
  Like they roughed him up pretty good.
• 38:16
  one of Chad's runs, he was sliding and the way he slid he just like fell down
• 38:21
  Yeah. You made a note of that.
• 38:21
  on his butt.
• 38:22
  Yes, I saw that.
• 38:23
  That was the most awkward
• 38:25
  slide I've ever seen. Yeah. Stop and then sit down.
• 38:27
  Rewind fast forward, rewind, fast
• 38:29
  We
• 38:30
  for
• 38:30
  rewound
• 38:31
  it to watch it again. It was the most awkward slide
• 38:34
  Oopsies.
• 38:35
  Yeah.
• 38:37
  I've ever seen.
• 38:39
  Yes.
• 38:39
  Yeah.
• 38:40
  The Sniper slide.
• 38:43
  Like he
• 38:43
  just decided like mid like he couldn't decide what to do and then just
• 38:46
  did nothing and just like plopped down.
• 38:46
  Yeah. Just legs went out from under him and collapsed.
• 38:48
  Drop.
• 38:48
  Yeah. l
• 38:50
  Yeah. Yes it was.
• 38:52
  less less funny is Tim White dropping another critical pass at a critical time.
• 38:55
  ~ yeah. Welcome. I hope when
• 38:57
  the Bomber fans are enjoying the Tiger Cat experience.
• 39:00
  Yeah. Wide open
• 39:01
  Yep. Yep.
• 39:03
  in the middle, nobody near him,
• 39:04
  ball perfectly placed when they need it.
• 39:06
  Yeah.
• 39:08
  But yeah, and then you're right,
• 39:09
  like Winnipeg, they are like the standard for halftime adjustments,
• 39:12
  I would say, ~ in past. And then they got shut out of the third,
• 39:17
  and that was the difference in this game.
• 39:17
  Yeah, completely. Yep.
• 39:18
  And I don't know what's
• 39:19
  Yeah. Yes, it was.
• 39:20
  going on in W and they played so well,
• 39:23
  they're so up and down. They're so up and down.
• 39:25
  I know their first half,
• 39:26
  I thought it was going yeah, like I did not Yeah.
• 39:29
  I know, like, Toronto's in trouble.
• 39:31
  Like Drew Brown is slinging it.
• 39:32
  Yeah.
• 39:32
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:33
  They are doing
• 39:34
  some they're putting together Brady's on fire.
• 39:36
  He looked solid, yeah.
• 39:37
  Like this
• 39:38
  is like Toronto's got all they can handle and then they just stop playing.
• 39:42
  Yeah. 'Cause it was so consistent that first half that they seemed like
• 39:46
  th a steady machine and then ~ yeah.
• 39:49
  Nope. Ring on the picket backflip.
• 39:52
  And to to me Yeah.
• 39:55
  Yeah, pick it up.
• 39:55
  Yeah.
• 39:56
  And and to me I you know, maybe I'm making assumptions which is always a bad thing,
• 40:01
  but what it looked like to me was that they got a couple of good solid hits
• 40:06
  on Brown and then he especially he threw that first interception and
• 40:11
  it seemed like the confidence went out of his game.
• 40:13
  Yeah, he just he looked like
• 40:13
  Yeah he got rattled.
• 40:15
  Yeah. Who's
• 40:17
  a different player.
• 40:18
  who's ~ standing behind Brown if Brown goes down?
• 40:23
  Well, they've got Perkins
• 40:23
  Elgersma
• 40:23
  in there and Elgersma, I don't know who would be coming in.
• 40:27
  He is rattled. That's when you need to use Brady more.
• 40:30
  Yes
• 40:31
  Yes. Yeah.
• 40:32
  yes.
• 40:33
  Yeah.
• 40:33
  Well
• 40:33
  that and that's the thing is that they in that second half,
• 40:37
  that part of the reason Brady didn't get more carries is they couldn't stay
• 40:42
  on the field. But the pattern,
• 40:43
  if you look back through their series,
• 40:45
  it was run Brady for eight to twelve yards.
• 40:48
  Run again to get the first down if you need to.
• 40:50
  ~ we better pass now. Two incompletes and out or an interception or whatever.
• 40:55
  Yeah. Who know? Yeah.
• 40:56
  They just
• 40:57
  would not stick to the the running game when it was working.
• 41:00
  And again that's for whatever that's Condell's style I guess with it,
• 41:05
  but
• 41:06
  Was Dembsky plain? Hmm.
• 41:08
  Yes.
• 41:09
  Yes. Although
• 41:10
  I don't know that I don't remember seeing a target.
• 41:12
  He got
• 41:13
  No.
• 41:14
  three he went three for seven for fifteen yards.
• 41:16
  ~ did he? Okay,
• 41:17
  so he did get some hit targets.
• 41:19
  I didn't even see that,
• 41:20
  I didn't even put the wide receivers on my score sheet because he didn't even throw
• 41:23
  to the wide side. He only threw through them over the middle.
• 41:25
  Yeah. Yeah. And that again, don't forget that's that's
• 41:26
  ~ arm strength.
• 41:30
  all Condell's offense. It dictates who's getting the ball and where
• 41:34
  and it's Tim White. You know,
• 41:37
  it's I I just yeah, it's it it's
• 41:40
  Too bad.
• 41:41
  hard to tell. And Winnipeg's in a a weird spot because if you look
• 41:46
  at Ottawa for instance, they want to win a game,
• 41:49
  so they're playing MBT and who's we'll see who we play play this week,
• 41:52
  but
• 41:53
  They'll have two or three games that they can put in their younger guy This would
• 41:57
  be a fantastic time for Winnipeg to put Elgersma in for two or three games
• 42:01
  and get him some seasoning. But they're still fighting for a playoff spot.
• 42:03
  Mm. Yeah, I was like, they're they're not sellers at the deadline.
• 42:05
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
• 42:05
  So they can't.
• 42:07
  They're still
• 42:09
  they're
• 42:09
  they're still wanting to try and get in as h as high up as they can.
• 42:13
  So they'll stick with
• 42:15
  Brown or bring Zach back and
• 42:18
  well, we'll see. it's gonna be interesting.
• 42:21
  basically going ahead, we've got four games left and the the mishmash we'll
• 42:27
  see what happens with the Elk.
• 42:29
  They they may still still flounder,
• 42:32
  but I think they end up in first,
• 42:34
  so that means that the other three teams are
• 42:37
  fighting it out to see or are there four teams.
• 42:39
  I guess Calgary is still potentially in there.
• 42:42
  And if you look at it, Calgary plays all three of B C,
• 42:46
  Winnipeg and Saskatchewan.
• 42:49
  That's who they need to Yeah. I mean that's
• 42:50
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:53
  If they if they're gonna get in,
• 42:54
  they're gonna have to win their way in to do it.
• 42:56
  Winnipeg plays Calgary and again,
• 42:59
  you know, so those teams have a lot to say over what's going what happens with it.
• 43:03
  And unfortunately it's looking less like the ~ game at the end of the season will
• 43:09
  be for first place, but there's still an Edmonton Saskatchewan game
• 43:13
  to see what happens with it also.
• 43:15
  West's gonna be an interesting last four weeks of the season.
• 43:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 43:20
  Should we talk about Saskatchewan and BC?
• 43:23
  Yeah.
• 43:23
  We have we have
• 43:24
  Yeah.
• 43:24
  we have we done Ragan on Winnipeg?
• 43:26
  Okay. Yeah.
• 43:28
  Love you, Winnipeg.
• 43:29
  Love you, Winnipeg. We love you.
• 43:32
  Yes, yes indeed.
• 43:32
  Love the forks.
• 43:35
  Okay. And
• 43:37
  this game we can we'll well there may be a lot to talk about.
• 43:42
  There may not be so much to talk about.
• 43:44
  It all depends where you look at it.
• 43:45
  To me it was a good it was an exciting game.
• 43:48
  It was a well played game on both sides.
• 43:51
  It was fairly clean. There weren't a lot of sacks,
• 43:55
  there weren't a lot of turnovers,
• 43:56
  there weren't a lot of penalties.
• 43:57
  The difference in the game was that BC got behind coverage twice.
• 44:03
  And that gave them the opportunity to to score more points,
• 44:09
  which is of course how you win.
• 44:10
  But
• 44:11
  I thought I thought it was an excellent game.
• 44:13
  I really enjoyed it all the way through.
• 44:16
  I will admit, I've been saying all along I'm still not sold on the BC defense.
• 44:20
  When they had to shuffle their back end the way they did this last week
• 44:24
  and still came up with that performance,
• 44:26
  okay. Time for me to say they're they're winning me over.
• 44:29
  And ~ they look like they can play pass defense too.
• 44:34
  They have won seven of their last eight.
• 44:36
  They have.
• 44:37
  So you can't say they're not a good team anymore.
• 44:41
  Well, I could.
• 44:41
  But there
• 44:42
  But but I wouldn't hold I wouldn't I yes
• 44:42
  No, you can't.
• 44:44
  I could. I do a I say a lot of things with no evidence,
• 44:47
  but but
• 44:47
  But
• 44:48
  but I'd have a hard time backing it up.
• 44:49
  No, I admit that the stuff that they were doing wrong,
• 44:52
  their receivers were dropping balls.
• 44:54
  That's not happening anymore. They were busting coverage and letting long plays
• 45:00
  happen. I mean, every defense is gonna give up points,
• 45:02
  and giving up twenty five to thirty points in this league is
• 45:06
  Not a bad defense. That's just what the game is.
• 45:08
  They were earlier on, they were dropping balls on the offense.
• 45:13
  Nathan was making either questionable reads or his accuracy wasn't there.
• 45:18
  The special teams were were making mistakes all over the place and
• 45:23
  the defense was letting busts happen.
• 45:25
  They've cleaned all that up. We haven't seen
• 45:28
  They
• 45:28
  that for two or three games now.
• 45:31
  they're getting great at the perfect time of the season.
• 45:34
  Yes. Yes, they are.
• 45:35
  ~ and it's scary
• 45:35
  Absolutely.
• 45:37
  for the rest of the people who are chasing those playoff spots in
• 45:41
  the West because yeah, with when you've got a defense like that,
• 45:45
  if you've got a guy like Betts,
• 45:47
  yes, he just got fine, but if he can get under someone like Alexander's skin
• 45:51
  and destroy their entire offensive game and you've got a defense to back you up,
• 45:57
  tha that's good football. Like this was this was a fun game.
• 46:00
  That back and forth, there was no blowout.
• 46:03
  It wasn't like the Bomber Argo game where it seemed like the tale of two games.
• 46:07
  Like this this was really fun.
• 46:09
  Nathan was and it's not
• 46:11
  like the Saskatchewan wasn't defending well,
• 46:13
  like but Nathan was threat threading the needle.
• 46:15
  Yeah. He was.
• 46:15
  Like threading
• 46:16
  Amazing game.
• 46:17
  the needle. Like that unbelievable,
• 46:20
  unbelievable where those Yes, no butterfingers anymore.
• 46:20
  And his receivers were catching them.
• 46:22
  That's huge.
• 46:22
  Yes. Yeah. Exactly.
• 46:25
  And that's where I say it was to me it was a a clean,
• 46:28
  well played game and it was fairly balanced it wasn't wasn't poor defense.
• 46:30
  Yeah. They they seem to be running temp.
• 46:33
  It was
• 46:33
  excellent quarterbacking was what I saw.
• 46:36
  Yeah,
• 46:36
  and BC seems to be running tempo more and they excel at running tempo.
• 46:40
  Like they are doing well with that and I think it's catching up.
• 46:44
  The only th I think their biggest mistake was their time count violation
• 46:47
  in at the goal line. And then they did c trots Sean White out,
• 46:50
  but that that was the only their really big error.
• 46:54
  if anything there were a couple of coaching decisions made that that
• 46:58
  may have may have ended up deciding this game,
• 47:01
  may not have. Robert Carter Junior said I'm back with a another
• 47:05
  You didn't think he was gonna play well.
• 47:06
  an amazing knockdown. ~ man.
• 47:07
  You said he wasn't. Look at
• 47:09
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:12
  it's his signature move. That one hand like
• 47:14
  Yeah. Yep. And
• 47:16
  what a vertical behind him, yes.
• 47:18
  coaches make the decisions that they want and and you have to live with it.
• 47:22
  I thought that the riders made a bad decision after they came back
• 47:27
  and got a touchdown to get within seven points.
• 47:31
  And then instead of trying a traditional onside or a deep kick with
• 47:36
  a couple of minutes left where they could have done either,
• 47:38
  they they tried a pooch over the the middle that still that still ended
• 47:42
  up being returned to like the fifty and never got the ball back until
• 47:48
  I think three seconds left in the game.
• 47:50
  So that's one who knows if they tried it onside would they have gotten it.
• 47:55
  If they'd tried it deep, would that have given them a better chance
• 47:57
  to stop the Lions? I don't know,
• 47:59
  but
• 48:00
  ~ I did.
• 48:00
  But like I said, there were a few decisions
• 48:01
  that might have changed the course of the game like that.
• 48:03
  ~
• 48:04
  the riders have well how lucky are they that AJ's back?
• 48:07
  He had a fantastic
• 48:08
  Yeah. He was playing well.
• 48:08
  Yes.
• 48:10
  game for the first game back and ~ Trevor's probably really happy 'cause
• 48:13
  AJ can block.
• 48:14
  Yes. Yeah, it took him
• 48:16
  about ~ four or five carries to get his feet back underneath him.
• 48:21
  And then he started running well.
• 48:23
  Keen Schaefer Baker came back and the and he made
• 48:26
  Yeah.
• 48:26
  a couple of catches, but his
• 48:27
  Yeah.
• 48:28
  biggest contribution was he just drew coverage.
• 48:31
  And so they got Keyshawn Johnson in on a on a lot of stuff again.
• 48:35
  and yeah, but
• 48:36
  I think we
• 48:36
  but for the the but for the Lions,
• 48:39
  Katoy was playing a
• 48:40
  A fantastic game. I mean he was everywhere they needed him to be,
• 48:45
  played extremely well. No run game for the Lions,
• 48:49
  but that's not surprising. In fact,
• 48:52
  to tell you the truth, I was surprised that Olluette got as much as
• 48:55
  he did because as much as I've ragged on the BC defense all year,
• 48:58
  it's been on their back end. I've been I've been giving flowers but bouquets
• 49:03
  to the front seven all year. They are great against the run and AJ
• 49:07
  got more yardage than I thought that he would have.
• 49:10
  Well, the the riders and AJ did.
• 49:11
  It wasn't all on his own. But but again,
• 49:13
  yeah, while the and the riders do a good job of shutting down the run as well.
• 49:18
  They shut down Horbath and Butler basically,
• 49:20
  but it didn't matter 'cause Rourke got out and made runs when he needed to,
• 49:24
  and basically just making good decisions with the football and
• 49:30
  Yeah.
• 49:30
  This was a game where you could tell that the players were amped up,
• 49:34
  but like in the best way possible.
• 49:36
  Like you said, like not a ton of penalties.
• 49:38
  you've got all those receivers finishing those routes,
• 49:42
  drawing the defense, giving your quarterback options.
• 49:45
  You've got those defenses, So I think that's why I enjoyed this game
• 49:49
  so much because it seemed like everyone was in the game.
• 49:53
  They were in the moment. There was always like,
• 49:55
  disciplined football. Like i it was great to see two really good teams
• 50:00
  go head to head. i it was really entertaining for that reason.
• 50:03
  Yeah.
• 50:03
  Yeah.
• 50:05
  Yeah, I'll give you that. Yeah,
• 50:06
  it's th this is kind of what I think I was talking about a bit last week when
• 50:10
  I said the the games can sometimes be exciting when it's not great football.
• 50:14
  But it's different when you have two good teams.
• 50:17
  Feels like less of a random event,
• 50:20
  you know, it seems more like the win is is earned.
• 50:24
  But speaking random events, I'm jumping ahead to
• 50:29
  Calgary at Ottawa. A sixty two yard field goal a a week ago was all that that Ottawa
• 50:35
  lost by. So the three of us and several others were saying back home,
• 50:40
  looking good. This should be the week.
• 50:44
  Calgary forty five, Ottawa thirty one.
• 50:46
  And Ottawa was Calgary was just a better team.
• 50:51
  Go ahead.
• 50:51
  Yeah.
• 50:53
  I was gonna say, like I know I got mad at Dinwiddie for like,
• 50:56
  why would you not take points in the first quarter And he went for the field goal
• 51:01
  in in the first quarter and good thing he got those points this time around.
• 51:05
  Because I think McCloud Bethel Thompson really wasn't connecting as well
• 51:10
  as that first game. So I don't know if that's receivers,
• 51:13
  him both. I don't know, but it
• 51:14
  Which is funny
• 51:15
  'cause he threw for four hundred and eighteen yards and like
• 51:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 51:21
  How do you not win? Ottawa.
• 51:22
  'Cause V
• 51:24
  VA threw for four hundred and twenty two.
• 51:26
  Yeah. Like Hardy had such a anyway.
• 51:26
  Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
• 51:29
  Yeah.
• 51:29
  Hardy
• 51:30
  had such a good ~ Eberhard had a
• 51:31
  Hardy had a great game.
• 51:32
  their offense wasn't necessarily the issue this game.
• 51:35
  No, defense couldn't do much, although their offense didn't score as much
• 51:39
  as they did a week ago either.
• 51:40
  But yeah, Pimbleton did have that one diving catch on the sidelines that
• 51:45
  may or may not have been a catch,
• 51:47
  but certainly couldn't be overturned by
• 51:48
  Yeah.
• 51:49
  What
• 51:49
  yeah. Like we like how many times did they reshow that?
• 51:53
  man. Close.
• 51:54
  Yeah. Yes.
• 51:56
  Ottawa tried to to channel New Orleans in their Super Bowl against Indianapolis
• 52:01
  by coming out at the half and trying a surprise onside kick.
• 52:04
  But unfortunately
• 52:06
  And then
• 52:07
  it worked for New Orleans. For Ottawa
• 52:09
  they recovered it, yes, with someone offside.
• 52:12
  And this is where your coach and
• 52:13
  So Ottawa.
• 52:15
  and TSN, good for you, I don't know,
• 52:18
  but as soon as that play happened,
• 52:20
  you see the coaches watching like the iPad trying to figure out like how
• 52:25
  did we get this wrong? Like we
• 52:27
  Yeah.
• 52:28
  had a plan coming out the tunnel.
• 52:30
  Yeah. Yeah. And good desperation,
• 52:30
  And so good job, shady moment,
• 52:34
  T SN.
• 52:34
  but
• 52:35
  Yeah. Like I said, that's how you do desperation.
• 52:38
  That could have maybe won them that game,
• 52:40
  if you execute. But again, if you execute,
• 52:43
  you're probably not at Owen eighteen or one for fourteen now.
• 52:47
  Yes. Match the Shreveport Pirates
• 52:50
  If you win one game you'll match the Tycats.
• 52:53
  Ha ha.
• 52:53
  Yeah.
• 52:55
  Things goals. My goal.
• 52:59
  yes.
• 53:01
  Yeah.
• 53:01
  there's like that meme going around,
• 53:03
  like if you've seen like with who was it?
• 53:04
  ~ Michael Jordan, where he's like,
• 53:06
  and I took that personally. And all I could think was like that was VA.
• 53:10
  He's like, but we were all like bad VA,
• 53:10
  Yeah.
• 53:12
  he's like,
• 53:13
  and I took that personally, and
• 53:15
  Yeah.
• 53:16
  I'll show you what's up, and and
• 53:17
  And he sure did.
• 53:19
  he sure I feel like this game and last game were like a little TSN turning point
• 53:23
  for Calgary.
• 53:24
  Like they played much better this game.
• 53:26
  They seemed awake and engaged
• 53:29
  and knew where they were and what they wanted to do,
• 53:32
  which we couldn't say that the last few games.
• 53:35
  So maybe this is maybe this is a watch out west.
• 53:38
  Maybe the the Stampeders have woken up finally.
• 53:41
  Yeah. Well I feel
• 53:42
  like you roll into Ottawa thinking,
• 53:44
  K we're gonna win this, let's just make sure we go out and win this.
• 53:47
  Well, ~
• 53:49
  It's
• 53:49
  how? How are you gonna win this?
• 53:50
  And then so getting embarrassed like Yeah.
• 53:52
  'Cause you remember you almost lost last game.
• 53:54
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 53:56
  And so coming back in, like this is like I don't even know how many penalties they
• 54:00
  took, but I don't think they had that many penalties this game.
• 54:03
  So like a different
• 54:03
  No, it
• 54:04
  looking team. Like we are going
• 54:05
  Yeah.
• 54:06
  like it's almost like the team decided,
• 54:08
  okay, yeah, we we should play.
• 54:10
  You're right. Like, you guys are
• 54:11
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:13
  still high off the stampede bowl,
• 54:15
  like time to time to get back to work.
• 54:17
  Let's let's go.
• 54:18
  Maybe they will cross over and run
• 54:19
  Yeah. Yes.
• 54:20
  the table.
• 54:21
  Although I maybe,
• 54:22
  ~
• 54:22
  but I still point out they were playing Ottawa.
• 54:26
  They were the better team.
• 54:26
  Yeah
• 54:28
  Yeah.
• 54:29
  We'll find
• 54:30
  out. We'll find out.
• 54:32
  Yeah.
• 54:32
  We don't have to to even prognosticate or whatever.
• 54:36
  We're going to find out real soon here.
• 54:38
  Is Calgary a real team this year?
• 54:41
  'cause like I said, Saskatchewan,
• 54:43
  Winnipeg, BC. They have three games left.
• 54:46
  They have a bye in there. Three games against the teams that
• 54:49
  are immediately above them in the standings,
• 54:52
  so
• 54:53
  If they
• 54:53
  So
• 54:53
  get if they make it to the crossover spot or higher,
• 54:57
  which is possible, maybe into the western playoffs but if they make it there
• 55:01
  it will be well earned because they they do not have an easy road.
• 55:06
  Would you rather
• 55:06
  Yeah.
• 55:07
  be the crossover team at this point or like the dog fight out in the West?
• 55:12
  I don't know that it matters 'cause Toronto's playing better ball.
• 55:17
  they're a better team than I had thought they were Montreal's awful hard to beat.
• 55:23
  Maybe
• 55:23
  the West might be so beat up after these next four games that the East team might
• 55:28
  just roll right through. I don't know because it they're all playing each other.
• 55:29
  Yeah. That that that could be Yes.
• 55:32
  That's entirely possible. You know,
• 55:35
  and beat up and worn down and they're all still in the playoff hunt,
• 55:38
  so they still have to play. Whereas Yeah.
• 55:39
  Yeah. Yeah, you're not resting anyone.
• 55:42
  Like you have to play.
• 55:43
  Yeah, whereas
• 55:44
  chances are that if well, who knows
• 55:48
  Where it'll go. But it is in Montreal and they're playing Winnipeg this weekend,
• 55:51
  so I think they've got a reasonable chance that this is the game that
• 55:55
  two years ago a gust of wind gave Winnipeg the first place in the in
• 56:00
  the West from it. So well you never know,
• 56:02
  but they're going out there. And if Montreal wins and they've got first place,
• 56:06
  Toronto knows they've got second place.
• 56:08
  Their last three games of the season,
• 56:11
  they can basically mix and match and rest people as they want.
• 56:14
  Whereas in the West, everybody's gonna be
• 56:19
  Yeah.
• 56:19
  Yeah.
• 56:19
  going
• 56:19
  full out because anyone could well I don't think Calgary can get first place,
• 56:24
  but they can get in the playoffs and at least BC and Saskatchewan could still have
• 56:29
  a shot at first place. Winnipeg
• 56:31
  So
• 56:32
  I think Winnipeg plays Edmonton,
• 56:34
  so they may still have a shot at it.
• 56:36
  Yeah. 'Cause gonna say like the trade deadline is tomorrow and I know that
• 56:41
  we had quite a bit of movement,
• 56:42
  but if you are one of those teams on the West,
• 56:46
  like I don't know how like what do you pick up,
• 56:50
  what do you look for? Is there anything out there worth
• 56:53
  The only teams selling are the Red Blacks and the Ti-cats and do you want
• 56:56
  any of their players? Yeah.
• 56:58
  Yeah, I want lots of players from Ottawa.
• 57:00
  Sorry, Hamilton, you too, I guess.
• 57:00
  You actually do. Do you want Hardy?
• 57:03
  Yeah, I a hundred
• 57:03
  I think you would want Hardy.
• 57:05
  Hardy
• 57:05
  percent want Hardy.
• 57:05
  may be in he might
• 57:06
  be somebody that they would trade 'cause
• 57:08
  Do
• 57:09
  you want Eberhart? Do you want Reggie Stubblefield?
• 57:11
  Do you want
• 57:12
  Yes.
• 57:13
  I don't
• 57:13
  Whitney
• 57:14
  McManus? Do you want like who do like
• 57:16
  Winton maybe,
• 57:17
  I don't know what Eberhart and Stubblefield's contracts are,
• 57:21
  but I don't think they're up this year.
• 57:22
  And those are both players I don't see them trading,
• 57:25
  'cause those are players that are still of the future.
• 57:27
  Franchise players.
• 57:28
  I see
• 57:28
  if they're gonna get rid of somebody,
• 57:30
  it's gonna be someone more towards the latter half of their career,
• 57:34
  which is Howsare that Hamilton just traded.
• 57:36
  You know, maybe somebody on on the O line,
• 57:39
  maybe ~
• 57:40
  ~ a dejarless or out of ~ Ottawa or maybe maybe try and get like a Liam Dobson
• 57:47
  out of out of Hamilton. But other than that,
• 57:51
  I don't see anyone on those teams that A they're going to still trade
• 57:57
  and B that's gonna necessarily fill any needs.
• 58:01
  Kenny Lawler might be asking for a trade after this game.
• 58:03
  ~ man. Yeah.
• 58:03
  Yeah. It's possible.
• 58:07
  Yeah.
• 58:07
  Yeah.
• 58:08
  But one of one of the shadiest
• 58:08
  Ha ha ha.
• 58:10
  moments, going back to the game,
• 58:11
  did you see that Jones came in and his celebration?
• 58:15
  The like I I didn't know, but it was ~ Gino Lewis celebration.
• 58:16
  Yeah.
• 58:20
  I'm like, ~ shade,
• 58:22
  Love it.
• 58:23
  well done, well played. So thanks TSN
• 58:26
  Yeah.
• 58:26
  commentators for letting me know about that one because I appreciated that.
• 58:31
  That is the information that we need to know.
• 58:33
  Absolutely.
• 58:34
  Yes.
• 58:35
  Yeah. Hey it a it does add entertainment to it.
• 58:38
  It sure does.
• 58:38
  But
• 58:40
  yes. And before we finish off on this Calgary game,
• 58:43
  I will say as much as Calgary was the better team through
• 58:48
  it Ottawa started stumbling and bumbling,
• 58:49
  they played not bad. And they did have it down to seven points with under three
• 58:54
  minutes to go.
• 58:55
  Yeah.
• 58:56
  And then they gave up a a long touchdown pass to Barnes.
• 58:59
  But you know it
• 59:01
  It wasn't as bad as the the score makes it look.
• 59:04
  Yeah, right? ~ Well and
• 59:06
  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 59:08
  and if you are those teams on the west about to pi play Calgary,
• 59:12
  you're thinking that looks pretty good for you,
• 59:14
  but don't discount as well,
• 59:15
  Yeah. yeah, don't sleep
• 59:17
  right? Like if
• 59:18
  on them. They've got talent there
• 59:20
  they look like they should be better than they are in the standings,
• 59:23
  but Milton says you you are what you you
• 59:24
  Yeah. If they had just played McLeod
• 59:27
  if they had played McLeod earlier,
• 59:29
  I think they would have like three or four games by now.
• 59:31
  Yeah, quite possible. Quite possible.
• 59:34
  I don't know. And I don't know if they're gonna They've got a do they have Hamilton
• 59:39
  once or twice in these last four?
• 59:41
  Twice back to back.
• 59:42
  Twice. So
• 59:44
  So are you saying there's a chance?
• 59:45
  maybe there's a chance. No, they're not they won't be back to
• 59:47
  my goodness.
• 59:48
  So
• 59:48
  you're saying there's a chance?
• 59:50
  Yes, yes, yeah,
• 59:51
  there there is. Yes, maybe. Yes,
• 59:53
  What dumb and dumber? Hamilton,
• 59:55
  Yeah. Well so fitting,
• 59:55
  I remember that, yes. Yeah.
• 59:56
  Ottawa?
• 59:58
  so fitting.
• 59:59
  Even more appropriate there, yes.
• 1:00:01
  I think they play this week and then the last week of the season,
• 1:00:04
  not back to back. 'Cause I did notice that next
• 1:00:06
  no they have to play torse.
• 1:00:08
  week Hamilton has Edmonton coming back.
• 1:00:12
  that's right. We play Edmonton in between.
• 1:00:14
  Just a little like refresher, I guess.
• 1:00:16
  Okay. And speaking of that, let's talk about the game that they did play.
• 1:00:20
  The Hamilton 35, Edmonton 37 in double overtime plus.
• 1:00:26
  weird game. Weird game. We said nine field goals.
• 1:00:30
  Nine field goal, one touchdown,
• 1:00:32
  two two-point conversions, if I remember right.
• 1:00:35
  And ~ the second one, of course,
• 1:00:37
  with only one touchdown. The second one was when they went to that shootout.
• 1:00:41
  All the way through, tied right until they got into going for two pointers.
• 1:00:45
  Hamilton missed theirs. Edmonton took it for the win.
• 1:00:48
  But
• 1:00:50
  Edmonton took nine penalties for eighty two yards,
• 1:00:52
  so they weren't doing well there.
• 1:00:54
  They were not getting into the end zone for the second game in a row.
• 1:00:57
  I'm not sure quite what to think.
• 1:01:00
  ~ this is why we need ties, 'cause neither team wanted to win.
• 1:01:04
  Yeah. ~
• 1:01:04
  Yeah, even those overtime
• 1:01:05
  games were not impressive. They were basically two and oats.
• 1:01:07
  No one
• 1:01:09
  wanted to win this game. I'm glad I didn't end up going because it was
• 1:01:14
  so cold and windy and I'm actually glad I didn't sit in that for double overtime
• 1:01:19
  to watch that.
• 1:01:20
  I was watching the game and I put it on my P VR so I could,
• 1:01:25
  you know, like be twenty minutes behind or whatever and I got to the
• 1:01:28
  end of regular time and the P VR was like,
• 1:01:32
  Anne, would you like to delete this?
• 1:01:34
  So I missed all of overtime. So I made it all the way
• 1:01:35
  no. ~ no.
• 1:01:38
  and did not get to see all the points.
• 1:01:41
  You missed
• 1:01:42
  did you see Kenny Lawler on the sideline?
• 1:01:44
  I saw
• 1:01:45
  no, what happened?
• 1:01:47
  didn't get that pass in the two point shootout,
• 1:01:50
  whatever. He was over on the sideline yelling.
• 1:01:53
  I think it was the receiver's coach.
• 1:01:54
  He was screaming at him. And T SN thoughtfully penned in tight f
• 1:02:00
  to watch this complete meltdown.
• 1:02:02
  And I was like, I
• 1:02:02
  Of course.
• 1:02:03
  yeah, you know what? I'd be mad too.
• 1:02:05
  Like as we said, as you know you're not gonna win a grey cup,
• 1:02:10
  but your family will have a nice team time here.
• 1:02:12
  But I he might be done. Like
• 1:02:12
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  Well,
• 1:02:14
  and that was my question. Did you know that Lawler didn't have
• 1:02:17
  a reception that game? TSN. Well.
• 1:02:19
  I did not and he was on a
• 1:02:21
  like eighty game streak or something,
• 1:02:23
  so that's that's
• 1:02:23
  I know. I know.
• 1:02:25
  I had him as
• 1:02:26
  four for six. I was like,
• 1:02:26
  Yeah, he did. I mean But but like for
• 1:02:29
  what? but like but four recep yeah,
• 1:02:31
  I know. And
• 1:02:32
  not in critical times when he climbs the ladder and he g he did get four.
• 1:02:34
  okay. So he did get a reception,
• 1:02:35
  okay. Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  Sorry. Exaggerating. Yeah.
• 1:02:37
  But nothing but nothing where it counted and
• 1:02:40
  not in overtime when they needed it.
• 1:02:42
  And I just I don't think Frost wants to Frost doesn't throw to him.
• 1:02:46
  But good on Hamilton defense because if there was anything to go
• 1:02:50
  Yeah, they actually played.
• 1:02:52
  right this game, it was the defense,
• 1:02:54
  which it has been for years now.
• 1:02:56
  And so how can
• 1:02:57
  Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  you go from being a grey cup contender?
• 1:03:00
  So you've built this defense and you've built this offense and your
• 1:03:03
  one quarterback goes down and yeah,
• 1:03:05
  you're using your third string But to go to the basement from being
• 1:03:09
  a grey cup contender, like with a defense like that,
• 1:03:12
  is just really hard to watch sometimes.
• 1:03:14
  Yeah. So good on the defense for showing up.
• 1:03:17
  Yeah. And the defense was
• 1:03:19
  pretty they were pretty chippy and I'm like,
• 1:03:20
  this is how you should have played against Ottawa.
• 1:03:23
  I mean not Ottawa, ~ Montreal.
• 1:03:23
  Mm-hmm. Yep.
• 1:03:25
  Like you should have been getting in an Alexander's face and you didn't.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah. In in their f yes.
• 1:03:28
  Nobody
• 1:03:29
  got into Alexander's face and you just let run around.
• 1:03:32
  And you got in Cody's face and made everyone's life a misery and
• 1:03:36
  you almost pulled it out. Leary Orange dropped passes that were like hit
• 1:03:40
  hit in the hands. Hit him in the hands,
• 1:03:41
  Yep. Yes. And he's usually good,
• 1:03:44
  drop. brutal.
• 1:03:47
  yes.
• 1:03:47
  they also let Larry Roundtree run right up the middle for fifty five yards.
• 1:03:51
  Basically got through the line and then untouched.
• 1:03:52
  Yeah, which that's like Roundtree's
• 1:03:52
  Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  never run so far in his Ty cat career.
• 1:03:57
  Like probably didn't know what to do.
• 1:03:58
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  No.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah.
• 1:04:01
  Yeah. I had no idea the field was this long.
• 1:04:05
  'Cause who was it that kept
• 1:04:05
  No, I
• 1:04:06
  getting all the penalties? Like they just get ahead and then they get a penalty.
• 1:04:09
  Yeah. No, that was Edmonton.
• 1:04:09
  Was that Hamilton or was that Edmonton or both?
• 1:04:12
  That was Edmonton. Because
• 1:04:12
  Edmonton was doing that. I think that's
• 1:04:12
  That was Edmonton. They did not play well.
• 1:04:15
  They did not
• 1:04:16
  look like a first place team at all.
• 1:04:18
  I just don't know if they just
• 1:04:18
  Yeah, no.
• 1:04:19
  So so
• 1:04:20
  didn't bother trying this game.
• 1:04:22
  it's been an interesting sort of series.
• 1:04:24
  They had the couple of good games against the Stampeders.
• 1:04:28
  But before that they had the bye and going into the bye they had
• 1:04:31
  the game against Winnipeg where they didn't play in the first half.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah.
• 1:04:36
  And I if I recall actually on Labor Day they didn't start strong.
• 1:04:39
  after those two they went into Toronto and lose.
• 1:04:42
  And this one they managed to win only because
• 1:04:44
  Tried to lose.
• 1:04:47
  Hamilton's offense was was more inept than what they were playing.
• 1:04:51
  But but yeah. I mean th the the thing that's disappointing to me about Ham well,
• 1:04:55
  there's a lot unfortunately disappointing about Hamilton.
• 1:04:57
  I don't need to detail you. You're the fans of it.
• 1:04:59
  But really it's surprising they've won two games since Bo went down.
• 1:05:07
  Well one they won
• 1:05:07
  Really.
• 1:05:08
  because Herulahu missed from like twenty three yards.
• 1:05:10
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:11
  And then who else would they beat?
• 1:05:13
  And the other one they they they
• 1:05:15
  put Trey in the second half and the riders weren't ready to deal with that.
• 1:05:19
  But really those are both both of those games it was very surprising to
• 1:05:25
  see them win and they haven't won any others.
• 1:05:27
  We tried
• 1:05:28
  So yeah it's
• 1:05:29
  him out for one play this game.
• 1:05:31
  They trotted
• 1:05:32
  Well
• 1:05:33
  him out there for a second. Yeah.
• 1:05:35
  Yeah. Twice. Yeah, I know it.
• 1:05:35
  No, it's so bad. twisty it.
• 1:05:36
  But
• 1:05:38
  but going back to your comment about the elks,
• 1:05:40
  like if we're looking at the BC Lions who are getting things together,
• 1:05:43
  they are clicking, they are a smooth unit.
• 1:05:46
  Same with the riders, like they consistently well you could argue,
• 1:05:50
  but most of the year. And the elks started so strong because they
• 1:05:54
  had something to prove. Now they've proved it.
• 1:05:57
  and you're right. Like it's this is not the time to let off the gas,
• 1:06:01
  but do you have the ability
• 1:06:03
  to keep going at the pace that you're going,
• 1:06:05
  especially with who you're playing.
• 1:06:07
  I mean, they're on the bye this week,
• 1:06:09
  so I guess that's helpful. But I don't yeah.
• 1:06:14
  I think that they should be putting Taylor Powell in a little bit more
• 1:06:17
  and give Cody a bit of a break.
• 1:06:19
  if they win one game I think they clinch first and then they'll probably do that.
• 1:06:22
  'Cause yeah, they've got the bye
• 1:06:23
  Yeah.
• 1:06:24
  this week. They go into Hamilton.
• 1:06:25
  If they win that maybe then Powell gets s some playing time.
• 1:06:28
  But I if I remember right there they've got three games left,
• 1:06:32
  because of the bye. So those games are Hamilton,
• 1:06:35
  Winnipeg, and Saskatchewan. And yeah.
• 1:06:37
  So that's a tough I mean Hamilton,
• 1:06:39
  but that's that's a tough way to end the season for all of them.
• 1:06:42
  Well, Hamilton just took them to double overtime,
• 1:06:44
  Yeah.
• 1:06:44
  so you never know. And
• 1:06:46
  and and you were saying, you know,
• 1:06:47
  about teams that are good and that that just finish.
• 1:06:52
  they had started taking on that characteristic of we'll find a way to win.
• 1:06:56
  And frankly, looking back over the last half the season,
• 1:07:01
  last five or six games.
• 1:07:04
  We were talking last week about Saskatchewan and where are they playing at?
• 1:07:08
  And they'd gone through the receiver injuries and they're starting
• 1:07:10
  to get some injured players back now.
• 1:07:12
  But the difference that I see in them from this time last year was
• 1:07:17
  you could see that they were a team that was playing with a confidence that
• 1:07:20
  no matter what happened, they would win the game.
• 1:07:23
  And that's kind of what Edmonton's doing right now.
• 1:07:25
  Seems to be just we'll find a way to to get a win out of this.
• 1:07:30
  Saskatchewan's lost that.
• 1:07:33
  somewhat this year. They when they get behind by seven,
• 1:07:38
  ten points, they're looking more flustered.
• 1:07:41
  They're looking more like I'm don't know what to do whereas it's just we're gonna
• 1:07:45
  just keep doing this and we'll win.
• 1:07:47
  And that that kind of attitude on a team goes a long,
• 1:07:50
  long way. So can Edmonton hold on to that attitude or does it get stripped away from
• 1:07:54
  them in the last couple of games?
• 1:07:56
  'Cause it only takes a couple of close losses to start making you doubt it.
• 1:08:01
  our basement teams taking it to the wire.
• 1:08:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  I think Hamilton just
• 1:08:06
  Hamilton.
• 1:08:07
  was playing like this was like their last like if they had lost this game they were
• 1:08:11
  out of the playoffs and I think they were just like this was like the last gasp
• 1:08:14
  and I just I don't think you're gonna see this intensity from them again
• 1:08:17
  the rest of the season.
• 1:08:18
  Yeah.
• 1:08:18
  Yeah. But like
• 1:08:20
  but to have that many two and outs,
• 1:08:22
  I don't know, you can't rely on your defense to win you games all of the time.
• 1:08:28
  Like like that Turnowski catch,
• 1:08:30
  amazing, well done, great. But like I don't know.
• 1:08:34
  How do how do you end the season well?
• 1:08:36
  I don't know.
• 1:08:37
  There
• 1:08:37
  was fifteen four fifteen field goal attempts this game between the two teams.
• 1:08:42
  Fifteen.
• 1:08:44
  Yeah.
• 1:08:44
  No like
• 1:08:45
  Edmonton
• 1:08:46
  Edmonton take notes, go home, be better.
• 1:08:49
  Like
• 1:08:49
  Seriously.
• 1:08:49
  Well but again, to Edmonton's credit,
• 1:08:53
  as poorly as they played, they ended up in the last three minutes
• 1:08:57
  of regulation of that game. They've got the ball fairly deep in their own end.
• 1:09:02
  They throw an interception to Stubblefield in scoring range with the game tied.
• 1:09:08
  if their defense had not won them that next series,
• 1:09:11
  if they'd let Hamilton go in and score a touchdown,
• 1:09:13
  that game was over.
• 1:09:15
  True.
• 1:09:16
  But they stopped them. Stopped them so that they had to kick the field goal
• 1:09:20
  to go up by three, stopped them in time to give Cody fifty two seconds,
• 1:09:24
  and that was enough for him to march them back down into field goal range.
• 1:09:28
  So that thing about just we'll find a way to do it.
• 1:09:31
  We will win.
• 1:09:32
  We'll find a way
• 1:09:32
  to do it. Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  Wish my team had that.
• 1:09:36
  Mm. Well they
• 1:09:36
  Yeah.
• 1:09:37
  will sometime. Very few teams have that and ~ when they do they usually
• 1:09:38
  No. When have the Thai cats had that?
• 1:09:41
  end up winning cups.
• 1:09:43
  But I don't know, like you lose a leader like
• 1:09:44
  Probably nineteen ninety nine.
• 1:09:46
  I don't know.
• 1:09:46
  Yeah, I think ninety
• 1:09:47
  nine. yeah.
• 1:09:48
  Danny
• 1:09:49
  McManus, please come back.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah.
• 1:09:51
  But Danny, we need you.
• 1:09:52
  Yeah.
• 1:09:54
  But I don't know, you think like a team rallies around someone like Cody
• 1:09:57
  or someone like VA
• 1:09:58
  Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  or Rourke or Kelly, right? And and who do you have in yeah,
• 1:10:04
  an Ottawa and Hamilton that's really you have a lot of faith in that
• 1:10:07
  can throw that throw when you need it.
• 1:10:10
  that's that's hard to go out and play when you're not a hundred percent certain that
• 1:10:16
  the other side of your team is gonna follow through.
• 1:10:18
  Well
• 1:10:19
  Yeah.
• 1:10:19
  this is on
• 1:10:19
  Yeah.
• 1:10:20
  the squarely on the Tycats front office.
• 1:10:22
  Squarely
• 1:10:23
  on them. For signing a backup quarterback that their head coach would not coach.
• 1:10:27
  And letting Powell walk. What why?
• 1:10:28
  Yeah. Yeah, so just just a
• 1:10:32
  such a mistake there. I don't know.
• 1:10:34
  And and the thing is, you know,
• 1:10:35
  you mentioned teams that a quarterback can put on their back and carry them And yes,
• 1:10:40
  Nathan can do that to a degree.
• 1:10:42
  I'll give him credit for that.
• 1:10:43
  VA at times, although he's
• 1:10:46
  it's hit and miss. He'll do that for a game and be fantastic and then he'll drop
• 1:10:52
  off. They they pointed out in the broadcast this week that when VA
• 1:10:55
  has played and they've won a game this year,
• 1:10:57
  they've scored over forty points.
• 1:10:59
  So if he does it, it's great. But if we're gonna talk about a
• 1:11:03
  a quarterback that just puts a team on its back,
• 1:11:05
  you gotta say Cody. It's not Edmonton.
• 1:11:08
  Yeah. Yep. It's cody.
• 1:11:09
  It's Edmonton and Montreal.
• 1:11:11
  And Saskatchewan in twenty nineteen three times he's come in and took
• 1:11:17
  a team either to a to a division final or the Grey Cup.
• 1:11:22
  this is a third try. It's just
• 1:11:25
  And then the team just lets them and then the team just cuts Unbelievable.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah. Yeah. He's just he's absolutely amazing and I cannot understand
• 1:11:29
  Yeah, love Cody.
• 1:11:32
  how he gets so underrated.
• 1:11:35
  And maybe because you're a Riders fan,
• 1:11:37
  you don't think that but I feel like Trevor Harris gets underrated as well
• 1:11:41
  in this league. ~ no,
• 1:11:42
  That's generous of you.
• 1:11:44
  but I think he does, honestly.
• 1:11:46
  Like
• 1:11:47
  if we're talking about an offense that will perform for a quarterback,
• 1:11:50
  ~
• 1:11:51
  it done.
• 1:11:52
  it does seem like this last year and a half they've done that for him.
• 1:11:56
  Yes, I'll I'll I'll give you that.
• 1:11:57
  But but again it's no Cody,
• 1:11:59
  But no Cody, he is no Cody.
• 1:12:01
  yeah, it's a a different level.
• 1:12:03
  that's enough of the games. With all that mishmash and everything that happened
• 1:12:08
  Time for your power rankings.
• 1:12:09
  Whoa.
• 1:12:10
  Boy, ~ there's a little bit of movement,
• 1:12:13
  and some people can be not so mad at me or mad at me at will.
• 1:12:16
  number one, aloettes, number two,
• 1:12:19
  lions, number three, Argos,
• 1:12:23
  number four, elks, number five,
• 1:12:25
  riders, number six, bombers,
• 1:12:28
  and then seven eight nine remain unchanged with the Stampeders,
• 1:12:32
  the Tycats, and the Red Blacks.
• 1:12:34
  Alrighty,
• 1:12:35
  Yeah.
• 1:12:35
  we'll see how what people say.
• 1:12:37
  Thoughts MJ two? Yeah,
• 1:12:38
  So I I hope the writer fans are less mad at me that I bumped them above the bombers.
• 1:12:41
  they were annoyed, but Rider fans do that.
• 1:12:44
  They th they don't they have trouble dealing with sort of the reality
• 1:12:46
  of the situation.
• 1:12:48
  Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Any thoughts on an MJ two? You got any y you agree with
• 1:12:51
  I I think this is
• 1:12:53
  her?
• 1:12:54
  point on, like that what we were saying earlier about the lions peaking
• 1:12:58
  at the right time and the elks are still good,
• 1:13:00
  but they're so yeah, I I
• 1:13:02
  Yeah.
• 1:13:03
  think fourth is great. Argos are on a tear,
• 1:13:06
  so
• 1:13:07
  Yeah.
• 1:13:08
  when I was thinking about this and I do put together in my own head what
• 1:13:12
  I think that it would be, frankly I matched what you had with with
• 1:13:16
  one exception and I and I think after hearing what you've said to
• 1:13:19
  say I've come around to your way of thinking and that's that I had the
• 1:13:22
  elk at three and the Argos at four.
• 1:13:24
  Whereas you've got them flipped and considering the way they both played,
• 1:13:29
  I think yeah, maybe that's a better thing.
• 1:13:31
  Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  Well done. We'll put
• 1:13:34
  Unfortunately.
• 1:13:36
  it up and let the real critics
• 1:13:37
  see what the the they say on it.
• 1:13:40
  Well, the top three in the power rankings are big explosive play teams
• 1:13:45
  and it comes of no surprise they are top three in the league in the power rankings.
• 1:13:47
  Yeah. Yep. Yeah, it's the way the game has developed,
• 1:13:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:13:51
  which is good. I like
• 1:13:52
  that better than the dink and dunk and you know,
• 1:13:54
  and then try one or two
• 1:13:55
  Absolutely.
• 1:13:56
  deep ones a game. That's come in because of everybody going to the bend
• 1:14:00
  but don't break zone defense looks and that and it's nice to see that there
• 1:14:05
  are teams that are finding ways to to throw against that anyway.
• 1:14:09
  Alrighty, so we're almost at having to pick out who's gonna
• 1:14:11
  be the winners this week, but
• 1:14:13
  I'll give you what we know about the injury reports.
• 1:14:15
  Most of these are from day one,
• 1:14:19
  so keep in mind that there's some players that may just be getting veterans' days,
• 1:14:25
  but at this point for Hamilton,
• 1:14:27
  Peters, Wheatfall, and Reid
• 1:14:30
  were did not participate, and Mang and Panabaker were limited.
• 1:14:36
  There's some big names in there and including Reid who's their left tackle.
• 1:14:39
  And you were mentioning earlier about Pickett doing his backflip,
• 1:14:42
  which I didn't see, but still impressive.
• 1:14:45
  What's really impressive, I don't know if you've ever seen it,
• 1:14:47
  but Trevor Reed at his whatever he is,
• 1:14:49
  I think he's six four and about three forty,
• 1:14:53
  and he does backflips. So a fairly athletic human being.
• 1:14:58
  It's
• 1:14:59
  You look at it and your eyes just yeah my lyin' eyes.
• 1:15:02
  That can't be real. Anyway, Ottawa Cormier and Robert Robertson Jr.
• 1:15:09
  in I think from the D line there,
• 1:15:11
  yeah, we did not participate. Ruffin and Blaylock from the defensive backfield were
• 1:15:15
  limited and so was Aiden John.
• 1:15:17
  So we'll see how that happens.
• 1:15:19
  Calgary had
• 1:15:20
  Everybody that was not on a six game list was participating and ~
• 1:15:25
  so I'm assuming Bagleton is either back or on the list.
• 1:15:29
  I never looked to tell you the truth,
• 1:15:30
  but but they had two limited. They had a Joe Ojo limited and Choquette Limited.
• 1:15:36
  For Saskatchewan again, nobody of note was was did not participate.
• 1:15:41
  Lecher Jr., Marion, and Roberson were all limited,
• 1:15:44
  and so was Trayvon Campbell, who's coming off the six game list.
• 1:15:48
  So does that mean he's in this week or next?
• 1:15:51
  I don't know. I hope they keep him out.
• 1:15:53
  It'd be nice to have him back,
• 1:15:54
  but we'll see.
• 1:15:55
  Is this the shortest
• 1:15:57
  their injury list has been all season?
• 1:16:00
  Well,
• 1:16:00
  Yeah.
• 1:16:01
  again, a lot of people on the six game list,
• 1:16:03
  so so it so th the injured stuff looks at that,
• 1:16:04
  ~ okay. So that's yes, yes, yes.
• 1:16:07
  Smoking mirrors.
• 1:16:07
  but but but yeah, but
• 1:16:09
  they've got two or three defensive backs on the sixth game list
• 1:16:12
  and they've still got receivers on the sixth game list and yeah,
• 1:16:14
  Okay. I spoke too hopefully.
• 1:16:16
  so
• 1:16:17
  Yes yeah, exactly. it's a short list only because everybody else died.
• 1:16:21
  no that's
• 1:16:21
  Yeah, that's right.
• 1:16:22
  What?
• 1:16:24
  Big on.
• 1:16:25
  Yeah. BC, Bell and Cherry, both from the defensive line,
• 1:16:29
  did not participate. Toronto,
• 1:16:32
  only one did not participate, and that was Kelly with a hand injury,
• 1:16:36
  apparently. So we'll see does that carry through to the week or what?
• 1:16:40
  and in Winnipeg, and again Winnipeg first day of practice,
• 1:16:43
  so they had a l laundry list of backups but
• 1:16:48
  The ones of note were Dembski,
• 1:16:49
  Broxton and Serezna were all did not participate.
• 1:16:52
  The way Serezna looked Yeah.
• 1:16:52
  ~ Serezna that did not.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah. So Rezna was like limping off the field.
• 1:16:56
  That looked bad.
• 1:16:56
  Yeah. Mind
• 1:16:58
  you, don't forget that he playing for Edmonton last year where there there
• 1:17:02
  was that one game where it basically looked like they carried his lower
• 1:17:04
  leg off separate from him and then somehow he showed up back in the game four plays
• 1:17:09
  later. So so I don't know. But yeah,
• 1:17:11
  not not good. And Oliveira was limited,
• 1:17:14
  but
• 1:17:15
  He is every week he is, 'cause he's got that ankle injury.
• 1:17:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  He needs a break.
• 1:17:18
  He need
• 1:17:20
  He is getting breaks ~ they just stopped playing him.
• 1:17:21
  Yeah. Yes, yeah. In the second half of the games,
• 1:17:22
  Second half.
• 1:17:25
  yes, yes. And Montreal Theis is back on the list,
• 1:17:29
  so obviously still just coming off the sixth game,
• 1:17:32
  but he was a did not participate.
• 1:17:33
  I don't know if that means he'll be back for the playoffs or not.
• 1:17:36
  And then they're limited were Callendar and Noel from the O line and
• 1:17:40
  Awe as at linebacker. So
• 1:17:44
  Game predictions, Hamilton at Ottawa.
• 1:17:48
  You're in the top left corner there,
• 1:17:50
  MJ two, you get the go foist.
• 1:17:53
  ~ I'm going with Ottawa this week.
• 1:17:55
  I have a lot of hope. that their offense is strong enough to take on
• 1:18:00
  the Ty Cat defense, because that's how they're gonna win this game.
• 1:18:04
  And yeah, go Ottawa.
• 1:18:07
  Alrighty. I will go second and take the the alternate opinion.
• 1:18:12
  After picking Ottawa for two weeks,
• 1:18:14
  I'm not gonna do it a third time.
• 1:18:16
  Sorry. I'll pick you again after you win a game.
• 1:18:19
  Hamilton's not playing well, but their defense
• 1:18:25
  is still playing good and I think that they find a way
• 1:18:30
  to probably probably pick off the ball a few times.
• 1:18:34
  Mind you, Hauser's not there anymore,
• 1:18:36
  but we'll see. I still think they get some pressure on ~ MBT,
• 1:18:40
  get him a little bit rattled up and don't see Ottawa winning it.
• 1:18:44
  So I'm gonna pick Hamilton. MJ,
• 1:18:46
  you're the tiebreaker for the the podcast pick.
• 1:18:50
  Right, so Julian Hauser is gone in the defense.
• 1:18:54
  It that's a huge hole for them.
• 1:18:56
  Are they gonna play like they played against the Elks or are they going
• 1:19:00
  to play like they've been playing the last like month or two on defense
• 1:19:05
  and just terrible? you know what the Red Blacks are pretty good little ball hawks.
• 1:19:11
  And Frost sure does love to throw interceptions.
• 1:19:15
  If if if I th I'm gonna when it comes down to it,
• 1:19:19
  I'm gonna pick MBT over Frost.
• 1:19:21
  So I'm gonna
• 1:19:21
  Okay.
• 1:19:22
  say Ottawa.
• 1:19:24
  validating my
• 1:19:24
  Come on, Ottawa.
• 1:19:25
  point that this is just grumpy people talking football here.
• 1:19:29
  The two Hamilton fans are are are bailing.
• 1:19:34
  I hope Aiden
• 1:19:35
  Eberhardt does his Aiden Eberhart heart right to the Ty Cat fans in the end zone.
• 1:19:39
  Yeah.
• 1:19:40
  Nothing would make me happier right now.
• 1:19:41
  I mean I'll do it right along.
• 1:19:42
  Yeah,
• 1:19:42
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:19:44
  we'll all be cheering for you.
• 1:19:45
  Okay then. Calgary at Saskatchewan.
• 1:19:49
  The game's in Saskatchewan. I think Calgary looks like should be a better team than
• 1:19:53
  they have been. They did beat Ottawa twice in a row.
• 1:19:56
  Saskatchewan don't know what's happening with their defense.
• 1:20:00
  Will they get Eduard back for this week?
• 1:20:03
  'Cause that would th that was part of what hurt them.
• 1:20:06
  Somewhat in this game. Will they still have Bell in there as the rookie
• 1:20:09
  as the cornerback? But even if they do,
• 1:20:11
  I think they'll get enough pressure on VA and I and that Calgary defensive line
• 1:20:17
  should be playing much better,
• 1:20:18
  but they're not getting the kind of pressures I would expect.
• 1:20:20
  So I'm going Saskatchewan. And we'll go reverse order this time around it.
• 1:20:24
  So MJ,
• 1:20:24
  Right, I am not a hundred percent convinced that Saskatchewan can
• 1:20:29
  put a complete game together right now.
• 1:20:31
  Calgary, I mean it's ditto, but I think that the fire of the last
• 1:20:37
  two games is burning bright, and whether they burn out and crash
• 1:20:40
  or they keep flying, I think that it's still burning bright enough that
• 1:20:44
  I'm gonna take them for this game.
• 1:20:46
  Alrighty.
• 1:20:47
  And MJ two, tiebreaker on this one too.
• 1:20:51
  man. ~ I've I've been to a few CFL stadiums and one of them has been Mosaic
• 1:20:57
  and it is impossible to hear there.
• 1:20:59
  So there is a real home advantage for Saskatchewan.
• 1:21:03
  I don't know, I think Calgary keeps shooting themselves in the foot with their
• 1:21:07
  penalties. And if you are in Saskatchewan,
• 1:21:10
  there's a greater chance of that happening and
• 1:21:13
  That's a good point.
• 1:21:15
  I don't know,
• 1:21:15
  I wanna jump on the Calgary bandwagon,
• 1:21:18
  but I think I'm gonna take the riders for this one.
• 1:21:20
  And a surprise to myself.
• 1:21:21
  Ready. ~
• 1:21:24
  Ha
• 1:21:24
  ha ha.
• 1:21:24
  Isn't it amazing how that happens?
• 1:21:26
  I do this all the time.
• 1:21:26
  Yes.
• 1:21:28
  I go in thinking I've made a decision and then as I talk through it,
• 1:21:32
  nope, I was wrong.
• 1:21:34
  You made a good
• 1:21:34
  point about the penalties and the crowd noise.
• 1:21:37
  Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:21:38
  that's to me that will be a big factor with it.
• 1:21:41
  But well there's ~ just
• 1:21:44
  But we'll see.
• 1:21:45
  We'll see.
• 1:21:45
  I
• 1:21:46
  completely clueless here. I'm hoping and would really love to see the riders win,
• 1:21:52
  but I just after after my problems that I had this last weekend,
• 1:21:57
  froze.
• 1:21:58
  ~ you froze.
• 1:21:58
  I mean I
• 1:21:59
  was two and two in my picks and
• 1:22:02
  one of them by a two point conversion
• 1:22:07
  Yeah.
• 1:22:08
  at the end of overtime, so I have no idea what I'm saying.
• 1:22:11
  BC goes to Toronto.
• 1:22:12
  It's that time of the season.
• 1:22:15
  MJ, you get to go first here.
• 1:22:17
  this is the game of the weekend.
• 1:22:20
  This will this will shake out who's like top of the pile here.
• 1:22:25
  these two teams play very similarly,
• 1:22:27
  but I think that BC can use their run game more effectively when needed.
• 1:22:33
  And their kicker is more reliable.
• 1:22:37
  Yes.
• 1:22:38
  What's going on? for two in your field goals,
• 1:22:41
  sir. Come on, get it together.
• 1:22:43
  Yeah. Well, I don't know. What's going on with Chad Kelly's hand?
• 1:22:46
  That's interesting.
• 1:22:48
  Arbuckle
• 1:22:50
  Yeah, they have Arbuckle so it doesn't matter,
• 1:22:52
  they I think. I this will be a good test for the Lions defense to see
• 1:22:55
  how good they are at dropping back into coverage.
• 1:22:58
  ~ but I am gonna take the Lions because that's who I'm cheering for
• 1:23:01
  now because my team's out.
• 1:23:03
  Okay then. MJ two
• 1:23:06
  this one was a bit tricky but ~ based on the last game.
• 1:23:11
  Like the Argos are good, but did they put together a full game?
• 1:23:16
  Where I honestly think that B C is just being so consistent right
• 1:23:22
  now with how they're playing and I wanna see Betts versus Kelly.
• 1:23:26
  I hope Kelly isn't injured, but like I'm B C B C
• 1:23:28
  Yes.
• 1:23:30
  like there's no way.
• 1:23:31
  ~ I forgot about that. I can't wait.
• 1:23:33
  Yeah, I'm looking forward to this game.
• 1:23:33
  Yeah.
• 1:23:34
  I can't wait.
• 1:23:36
  Take the entertainment where you can find it.
• 1:23:39
  Okay.
• 1:23:39
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:23:39
  ~ this is gonna be so great.
• 1:23:42
  So that leaves me. And I've been underestimating BC for the last six
• 1:23:48
  of the last seven games. Cause I don't know.
• 1:23:50
  I think I picked them on a few of those,
• 1:23:52
  but I just I haven't seen them being as good as everyone says they are.
• 1:23:57
  After this last week, I think they are extremely good.
• 1:24:00
  And this one I'm struggling with a lot because
• 1:24:03
  I hadn't thought Toronto's that good either,
• 1:24:05
  but they keep winning games and they keep looking better and better
• 1:24:09
  and they're at home, which really makes a difference for that.
• 1:24:12
  I don't know if it's not so much that I'm worried about BC traveling across
• 1:24:16
  the country. Toronto just seems to play really well at home.
• 1:24:20
  So and I as much as I try to be as impartial as I can and not
• 1:24:27
  Let my wants go and and hopes go into this.
• 1:24:29
  There is the the monkey brain that supports the riders back here going,
• 1:24:35
  well, BC losing would be a real good thing right now.
• 1:24:38
  So so this might be wishful thinking,
• 1:24:40
  who knows? But yeah, I'll take Toronto.
• 1:24:42
  ~ I can see them maybe coming up and doing it.
• 1:24:46
  And then Winnipeg at Montreal to end up the Saturday,
• 1:24:52
  and I will say here.
• 1:24:54
  I don't doubt Winnipeg will play well.
• 1:24:56
  They may even come out and and look like they're gonna win again.
• 1:24:59
  But I don't see them holding it for a full game.
• 1:25:02
  Mind you, Montreal hasn't looked as solid as they have in the in the last few games.
• 1:25:08
  in Montreal with a chance to clinch first place and with I'm assuming Brown in for
• 1:25:14
  For Winnipeg and having to play the Knoll Thorpe defense where yes,
• 1:25:20
  he's not a a rookie, but he's not the most experienced guy out there either.
• 1:25:24
  I'm gonna give this one to the Als
• 1:25:26
  I'll let the through you who jumps in quickest says next.
• 1:25:29
  the count of three? One, two, three,
• 1:25:32
  You just did it for your cue. I
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  Als
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  see. Okay. ~
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  how do you think Brown's gonna handle the crowd noise in in Montreal?
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  They are not gonna put together a full game.
• 1:25:44
  I mean the alouettes don't but then they turn the gas on and like roast you.
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  and you know what Alexander's calf has had a chance to have a little rest.
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  So yeah, alouettes
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  Okay then. And we're not in the playoffs,
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  but we are, 'cause there's one playoff game we should probably mention this this
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  week, even though we said back five,
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  six weeks ago we're not gonna talk fantasy anymore.
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  MJ and I are in the the C FL podcast network league
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  for fantasy. I
• 1:26:18
  Am I?
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  yes, I don't know have you have you
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  yeah, they didn't update the spreadsheet you've got.
• 1:26:23
  I should have sent that to you.
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  Yes, you are fifth.
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  Me.
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  So
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  you are in the playoffs this week.
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  Guess who's number four up against ya?
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  You? Well,
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  well done you guys. Great work.
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  Yeah.
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  ~
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  Well, that's good for me then.
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  Yay. I think Nathan
• 1:26:39
  Yeah. Yes.
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  Rourke helped me out this past week.
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  he did.
• 1:26:42
  I took Kelly and I was the only one of the top seven scorers that didn't have Nathan
• 1:26:48
  Rourke as my quarterback. But yeah,
• 1:26:51
  it'll be ~ you and I in the in in
• 1:26:54
  Fun.
• 1:26:55
  the first showdown round, ~ the quarterfinals I guess.
• 1:26:57
  Okay, well
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  Mm hmm.
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  I hope I play better than the Tie Cats.
• 1:27:02
  Yeah, hey,
• 1:27:02
  well, you're in fifth. You're in the playoffs.
• 1:27:04
  So you're definitely ahead of the Ty Cats right now.
• 1:27:06
  And and we'll see how all of this turns out.
• 1:27:09
  But yeah, no, it's I gotta say you had a you've had a very good ~ year.
• 1:27:13
  You ended up at ~ ten
• 1:27:15
  thank you.
• 1:27:16
  and seven and your point scores were in the top five or six for the
• 1:27:21
  out of the sixteen on the league.
• 1:27:23
  it was not a fluke that you're in the playoffs.
• 1:27:25
  You were
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  You did better than ~ than a lot of the league and and definitely well earned.
• 1:27:31
  So I'm glad you had fun with it.
• 1:27:32
  Thank you. I did.
• 1:27:36
  I think that's all I've got to talk about.
• 1:27:38
  How about we'll start with MJ this time.
• 1:27:42
  Any closing thoughts and
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  ~ yes, happy baseball playoffs to all who celebrate.
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  I that
• 1:27:49
  Yes. I heard the ~ J's are out of it.
• 1:27:52
  Is that right?
• 1:27:53
  well thanks for mentioning that.
• 1:27:55
  ~
• 1:27:55
  sorry.
• 1:27:56
  Seems rude.
• 1:27:58
  it was just an offhand comment.
• 1:27:59
  I saw a headline, something about Jay's miss the playoffs or something.
• 1:28:04
  Yes.
• 1:28:04
  That's a whole different podcast where I could talk about that for two hours.
• 1:28:08
  Okay.
• 1:28:08
  I am cheering for the White Sox and the Padres,
• 1:28:11
  so look for me cheering for them.
• 1:28:12
  ~ yeah, you can find me running Instagram and we're having some good
• 1:28:17
  ~ good comments and feedback and interaction there,
• 1:28:20
  so it's been fun and yeah, always over on Blue Sky at sports and plants.
• 1:28:25
  Ready, thank you. And MJ two.
• 1:28:28
  Yeah, I hope you all survived the full moon energy that was happening this week.
• 1:28:34
  And yeah, if you wanna check out my Instagram,
• 1:28:38
  I am at MJ's Plaid Heart where I am posting all about well football
• 1:28:44
  but also soccer and yeah, my soccer team,
• 1:28:48
  my now CFL team and my baseball team are out of the playoffs.
• 1:28:52
  So I'm just here for fun.
• 1:28:55
  And now that you've ~ joined the early two thousands and got a social media account,
• 1:29:00
  I've even added it to the show notes.
• 1:29:01
  So
• 1:29:03
  Yeah.
• 1:29:03
  if you're not paying attention,
• 1:29:04
  just go there and you can find out how to get a hold of MJ too.
• 1:29:08
  Anyway, yeah a bit of a snarky snarly podcast from us this week,
• 1:29:14
  but I think ~ all in all we also celebrated a lot of the good stuff
• 1:29:17
  And we're definitely
• 1:29:19
  Coming into an interesting four four weeks of the season for anybody
• 1:29:23
  who watches the Western CFL. The East is gonna be probably playing out the strings,
• 1:29:29
  I think, 'cause by this Saturday when when is the Montreal game?
• 1:29:32
  Yeah, Saturday. I suspect by Saturday evening we'll know what the standings
• 1:29:37
  in the in the East are gonna be,
• 1:29:39
  other than the the crossover team.
• 1:29:41
  Anyway, I'm babbling, patifagating.
• 1:29:43
  Just shut up, old man. Say, for MJ2 and MJ.
• 1:29:48
  For until next week, this is old man saying,
• 1:29:52
  Get the hell off my lawn.