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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP22 - Dealing With Burnout (feat. Morgan from A Druid's Luck) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hello everyone and welcome to the random Heathen ramblings
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  podcast, where we discuss all sorts of things Germanic,
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  Heathen re related. My name is Jessie.
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  I am your host. Let's get into it.
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  back to the random even ramblings podcast.
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  It's good to see everybody back here today on this fine.
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  We got to ramble on about this week.
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  Today's guest is somebody who has Come to find out been
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  watching this podcast for several years now.
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  So that's really cool to know that, you know, we've retained
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  some interest for more than just a little while so.
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  And we also featured this guests question or topic of discussion
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  on a previous episode. This is this this person's
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  request or topic is the reason why we talked about Loki against
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  or recently here on the channel and on the podcast.
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  So Morgan is going to be coming on. here today to talk about her
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  work through a business that she's Yes we call it business,
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  you know, project business but a Druids luck is Morgan's brand
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  and they're going to be launching an Etsy store here
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  soon. There's going to be all kinds of
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  information for you to follow Morgan on her socials and
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  anything that's available at the time of this podcast being aired
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  is going to be linked down in the description and show notes
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  of this podcast as well. So do be sure to check that out
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  follow along so support Morgan and what she does but really fun
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  episode 2. today, this this topic is when I think that we
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  can all relate to, you know, this is a topic that we can all
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  find some Some impact with talking about burnout, dealing
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  with burnout, not getting burnt out or are we, are we going to
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  talk about not being burnt out? Or are we just going to, you
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  know, embrace the fact that burnout does happen, guys.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, it does happen.
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  You know, this isn't a thing that I don't think this is
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  really a thing that we can, ultimately avoid.
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  I mean, even, even in the things that were most Passionate about
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  sometimes we just get tired and we don't want to do it.
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  So we're going to talk about it. We're going to ramble on about
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  today, amongst other things. I'm sure, as the nature of the
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  podcast goes, it's a rambling and it's random at times, but
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  there is a method to the madness.
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  I know Morgan has been dwelling on this topic for a while now,
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  since we set this up, you know, probably about a month or so
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  ago. So there's definitely plenty of
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  time. For, for her.
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  And I to kind of think about the Platt the, you know, the, the
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  layout the platform, but the layout, but again, it's a random
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  rambling. So we just kind of have a loose,
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  kind of like that old thing in the pirates of the cab of
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  Caribbean where Barbosa and Jack Sparrow or talking about the
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  code, the Pirates Code, you know, More like guidelines
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  really? This is more like a guideline.
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  Do you know? This is some topics that we want
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  to talk about being burnt out, dealing with burnt out on but
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  there's other stuff that you're going to be exposed to here not
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  in a bad way. So please stick around for the
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  whole episode. There's a lot of cool things
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  that are going to be going on today and definitely make sure
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  that you're following Morgan on all our socials for supporting
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  what she does with The Druids luck and stay tuned for more
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  information to come on that as he had.
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  Store is launched. Another thing, just bear in mind
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  as we get some housekeeping stuff up with the way there is
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  an event coming up here in just a week or two, actually not this
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  coming, Fourth of July weekend but the one, you know, after
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  that, this the eighth on the 8th of July is going to be a day of
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  fun with Clarity folk tribe that I am tied to in a way so much I
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  tried her. The focus is going to be having
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  a day of fun at the Fate Sanders recreational area in Smyrna,
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  Tennessee, details for that are linked in the description and
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  show notes of this podcast as well.
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  But we're going to be there all day.
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  So we got some canopies ever going to be setting up by the by
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  the lake. It is the summertime and it is
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  Tennessee. So we're hoping for a great day
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  of being able to be out and enjoy the water.
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  So please if you're in the area you want to come out and meet us
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  and just have a day of fun, it's potluck style.
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  You know we got some charcoal grills that are going to be
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  accessible for us and and so bring a dish ringside bring a
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  snack bring your swim trunks. Bring your swimsuits you know
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  scum Mountain, hang out with a bunch of heathens in the Middle,
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  Tennessee area. So now we got that out the way
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  again, all that information is down in the description or in
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  the show notes to this podcast. Do be sure to check it out.
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  Without further Ado, let's welcome in Morgan from a Druids
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  luck here on the random even ramblings podcast.
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  All right, folks, as I mentioned in the intro, we have a guest
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  today who actually comes Via Way of some of her own unique.
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  Esoteric kind of dealings. This is Morgan, and she has a
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  Etsy Shop. She is a Tarot reader.
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  An oracle reader. She has, she has this brand or
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  name called a Druids luck. So, welcome to the show Morgan.
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  Thanks for tuning, it's really good to be here.
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  Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's great to have you.
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  You actually came to me in an email and you had also even
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  following the podcast a bit on the socials.
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  You know, you two need to the tune into the two or three
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  years, it's been While so okay well thank you for the support.
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  It's greatly appreciated, you know, and you were one of the
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  folks who commented on a post that we put out like a month or
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  two ago asking what people's, you know, what we should.
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  What should we talk about on the podcast which we ramble on about
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  and you came in clutch with the idea to talk about Loki, right?
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  And and and so now, here we are talking about some of the things
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  that you do. So I mentioned earlier on that
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  you do tarot and Oracle and Drew.
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  It's like, as your brand. So aren't you kind of elaborate
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  on that for the people watching and listening?
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  So you know what we're talking about?
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  So my mission with Taro, I do live to just Serve the People
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  through the cards. I mean, whatever you're going
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  through the cards, really can help hone your intuition about
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  any situation or yourself. People, you're dealing with big
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  life themes. The cards are just I live by the
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  cards. I do have a Click background.
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  I was raised Catholic, but during the pandemic like a lot
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  of us. Right.
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  A lot of us pagans, there's definitely a lot of people that
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  come from a monotheistic, or Christian background.
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  Catholic, I have a good friend who was, you know, born and
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  raised I guess, you know, in the Catholic church.
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  So that's quite a jump. It is.
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  Yeah, paganism. Yeah, I even went to your like a
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  really Catholic college and everything, but after I came
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  home, I was just Like you know this isn't really working
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  anymore like so so Catholic school, huh?
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  Yeah but my parents they went to they went to Catholic school but
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  it was it was back in like the probably like the I guess the
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  70s early 70s. So things were probably a little
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  bit different back then than they are now and they didn't go
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  to like college with it. It was a right like high school,
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  I think. And they always talked about how
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  mean the nuns were or where they mean in like that.
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  University level or the college level.
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  The nuns were pretty cloistered. Actually, we didn't really talk
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  to them a lot. A lot of them had like, taken
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  vows of Silence. Here's, they didn't really like
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  talk to anybody even better. Yeah, the monks, I mean, the
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  monks themselves because like we even had monks who would teach
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  our classes and stuff but like I mean they were pretty nice for
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  the most part that's good. There is like that pressure
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  though you know like boom so so and so it Don't go to Sunday
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  mass. Like, they hold it over your
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  head, they do. Yeah.
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  So I was just thinking about that a lot when I came home and
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  I was like, do I really want to be a part of that?
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  I don't know. Like, yeah, there's still a lot
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  of really cool things about the Catholic religion that I like a
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  lot of the Saints and angels I think are really cool, but for
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  the most part it's just wasn't working.
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  I mean, yeah. So so that's where a lot of us
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  reach, you know, we I think, At different points in people's
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  lives. We've especially I don't know
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  maybe just maybe it's just my observation.
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  But do you see like nowadays where more and more people are
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  kind of Awakening to the fact that they can think for
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  themselves and find things for themselves rather than just
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  following the tradition of their parents or grandparents and just
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  staying with that. You see you see that too?
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  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, like, when you're, when
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  you're so far into it with the Catholic religion it's just like
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  well we follow this one person. Even living in this tiny City
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  who it's supposed to be the holiest place in the world.
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  I mean, I don't know. And then as a druid, it's just
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  like, you can go outside and like, this is the holiest place
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  in the world is all around me. Like, yeah.
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  So, so you are a, you would classify yourself, right?
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  Then, if I as a solitary, Druid practitioner Ranger witek so a
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  lot of the Celtic and yes, type themes of a paganism, right?
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  But I was thinking about this before we recorded, The funny
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  thing is I work with a lot of Norse gods and I do like the
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  Celtic gods a lot, but I don't know.
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  It was weird, like I probably two or three years ago when I
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  was starting out, I was just basic neo-pagan.
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  And I was exploring like, low-key and different just all
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  of the different gods and gods. But earlier this year, I was
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  like, okay, Loki. This isn't really working kind
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  of shifted over to lie. A codon for a I work with bast's
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  a lot, the Egyptian cat God and yeah like the fairies and stuff
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  too. I mean that's more Celtic.
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  So, hmm. So you have a bit of a mixed
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  Pantheon bag. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Mixed bag.
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  Yeah. So that's interesting.
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  I, you know, from my angle, you know, I Eileen pretty heavily
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  into the Norse of Germanic side of things and but I A lot of
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  people who have, you know, have had a place either in the past
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  or currently have a place is similarly, right?
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  I'm a bit of a mixed bag and they're in their individual
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  cultic practices. You know, the things that they
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  do themselves individually solitarily, but I've never, I've
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  never explored that. I always felt like if I'm going
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  to, I'm going to invite one group of friends over that kind
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  of aligned with certain ideas. I might not want to invite other
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  friends over that things could Clash.
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  Just kind of a personal thing. So it's interesting to see like
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  what what has been your experience with the blending of
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  Pantheon's or the mixing of those types of energies.
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  What's it been, like it's funny. It's like I think that almost
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  comes from just the Catholic background.
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  Oh you you're trying to buy a house, pray to the saying of
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  like Finance you are trying to study like pray to Thomas
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  Aquinas or you've lost something like Saint Anthony of Padua.
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  And all these Saints. They come from different
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  countries. Different cultures.
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  Honestly, that's probably where I got it from.
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  Okay, old habits die hard, I guess.
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  Yeah. Well, that's interesting
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  because, you know, a lot of people who I've noticed that
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  come from a Christian background, feel the need To
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  like abandoned and leave everything that they ever were
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  taught behind and there is place for that.
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  I feel like there's a lot of like worldview stuff that is,
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  you know, it shifts. And it changes when you went to
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  a polytheistic sort of practice, you know, your World Views over
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  time change. Yeah.
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  But some of like the religiosity of it I see.
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  Kind of carryover across cultures and across religions,
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  you know, like there's I used to I used to stay and I actually
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  still do that. Catholics are the pagans in
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  denial. You know, they have the Saints.
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  They have this. They have all these rituals.
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  Like they are just like, is so ritualistic.
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  I attended body and blood like that's very, you know, Pagan
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  almost symbology the, you know, all of it.
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  So it's interesting to hear, Or someone else who grew up at that
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  or follow that. And even, you know, attended a
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  school of Higher Learning, that, that steam was, you know, that
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  was it. That's what it was built around
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  incorporate, some of those elements into their current
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  practices. So you do Taro you, you know,
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  you read tarot, your rhetorical what is, what is a Druids look
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  about? Yeah, I was all out of a.
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  Oh yeah. Which with the tarot.
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  I just look to work with the Where I have different like
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  spreads and everything. But more into the other side of
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  a Druids look, the Etsy Shop is opening with the spell wish
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  boxes where I mean you just put items that are precious to you
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  and it or things like you know it could be a rock or a deck of
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  cards maybe a piece of paper with like a special intention on
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  it and then you would put it on your altar or wherever you.
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  Want. And yeah, like just manifest
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  your goals. Your dreams great.
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  Yeah. So you're going to be launching
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  your Etsy Shop under the name of Druids.
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  Look. Correct and right.
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  Yep. Great.
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  And there's going to be links in the show notes in description.
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  So everybody listening and watching if if what Morgan's
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  talking about sounds of interest to you or you maybe find
• 15:31
  yourself along that similar type path or want to maybe
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  incorporate things. Definitely be sure to check out
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  those the links that are going to be, you know, Show notes and
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  description. So, yeah, and they are made to
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  order. So, definitely, like, reach out
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  to me. I can talk to you about the
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  materials I work with, and, yeah, so that's great.
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  Mmm, it's all very fascinating. And we're actually here today
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  because one of the people who follows my podcast and I've kind
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  of interacted with a bit online, ask the question recently.
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  And, you know, we are going to be talking today, a bit about
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  burnout Yes, yes. This is not something that I
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  think any of us are foreign to we've all felt that.
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  We've all felt that, you know, feeling of a just don't care.
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  I just don't want to do it anymore, right?
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  Burnt out, right? Yeah.
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  And before we really get into talking about that from our
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  different perspectives are different angles.
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  You had planned something for this this episode with with your
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  tarot cards issue. Yes.
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  Okay. So today I thought we could do A
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  five card based off of the five different elements spread and
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  it's going to be a collective reading.
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  Just asking the question, what does our do ourselves?
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  You and me, Jesse and the audience need to know about
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  going into this weekend, the kind of energy that we should be
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  aware of. So so before you start I could
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  if I could just ask one thing is after the show or maybe after
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  the reading since it's not going to be live on camera for folks
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  to see Anyone that wants to see it, would you mind maybe
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  grabbing a? Is it okay to ask grab a
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  snapshot, a picture of yeah, spread.
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  When you do it, I'll send it to me.
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  And I'll lay it over sure the screen so that those that are
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  watching, can see it because this is a video podcast as well
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  as audio. So those that see like a tripod
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  by the time we recorded, but unfortunately, it did not arrive
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  in time so good. It says, it's how we do things
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  here. We shoot from the hip and make
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  it work so we'll do it. Sure.
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  Okay, so we're working today with the steam.
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  I'm Punk, tarot which is why Barbara more the first element
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  that will do is for error. So that would be guiding he's
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  just coming from your mind. Your thoughts, are is a lot
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  about communication. So, what would we need to know
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  about communication, going into this weekend?
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  Do that one with Earth. I mean, that really relates a
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  lot to your material realm, like your money, your Finance, your
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  career, And then water is going to be your emotions and your
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  intuition. So emotionally, what would you
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  need to know going into this weekend?
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  Fire, what, what are your passions?
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  What are you wanting? And lastly, is spirit.
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  So this card is going to be representative of your true self
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  or the Divine and flip them over.
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  Wow. Okay.
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  Wow. Seriously.
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  Okay, see I can't see. I can't I can't see anything
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  either. So like the people that end up
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  listening to this they're like, what do you mean?
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  Wow, I don't either, I don't know.
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  Interesting to see this. Yeah, well I'm saying wow
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  because the first three cards that we pulled our Arcana cards,
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  the first one that we have is the hanged man and I'm just
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  going to take my guide here. So he is number.
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  Twelve usually, it represents being uncomfortable but like can
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  also be representative of like surrendering to an experience or
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  situation and this. So the are right.
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  This is the air. Yeah element.
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  Yeah. So this is probably Probably
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  somebody who needs to listen to themselves more as like, what I
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  would say, okay? Yeah.
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  Like probably, Remember guys, this is, what's going into this
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  coming weekend. So, as we hear about what, you
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  know, right? We're just being cool.
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  Yeah, we're doing, we recording this on Monday.
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  You guys are listening to this on a Thursday, so gearing up
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  through the week. That's right now.
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  I'm like it's going to have to probably different perspectives
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  for like us doing this right now.
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  Getting this this content out to you took from the time of us
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  doing this the time to hear it. Listen to this on Thursday and
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  be like oh that makes sense now, but so willing.
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  I surrender to an experience or situation.
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  So I think that's probably somebody.
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  Needs to be willing to communicate more.
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  Whether it's with people, they work with, or their personal
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  life, their family Arcana are really representative of, like,
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  major themes in your life. So that could be like a life
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  lesson for someone. Okay.
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  And then Temperance, let's number 14.
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  I was going to say, Jesse before we started the show that I'll
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  send you images of Visa card, great about the artwork and
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  then, yeah, the final spread because I can put these up on
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  the screen and people that watch can see what you can see, right?
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  So yeah right great. Where your organic folks.
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  This is the this is the first time we've ever done anything
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  like this on the podcast. So here's my guinea pigs for
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  this one, too. Very cool.
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  All right, so with the Earth element card, we have
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  Temperance. That's another major theme in
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  your life relating. A lot to right thing.
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  Right time, right place. So maybe it could relate to
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  Somebody being in the right place at work and their career
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  and their finances Temperance is a lot about like give-and-take
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  to unlike balance, right? Yeah.
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  Not given to much and not taking too much.
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  That kind of that balance. Yeah, exactly and Earth.
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  And that's the from, that's on the earth card or the earth, I
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  drank tea, really hard. Is there anything is there
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  anything to do with like grounding on that act?
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  Like it's funny that you mention.
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  That she's it's this Angel. She's standing Barefoot with her
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  toe, like, touching some water. So, okay.
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  That's really crazy. Yeah.
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  Critical detail right there. Yeah, like cards.
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  Just do like details like that. Okay.
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  But she's holding two Spears. I don't.
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  Looks like there is water being balanced in between them.
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  So I guess somebody needs to know that about their job or
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  their money or their possessions to keep things balanced, to make
• 22:53
  it a goal and their life. All right.
• 22:57
  And then our third element water, so that's emotions and
• 23:02
  intuition. Okay?
• 23:03
  The Tower came up and the tower is people usually freak out when
• 23:08
  they see the tower, but it's not really a - card unless you want
• 23:14
  it to be. I think that like probably a lot
• 23:19
  of us are, there's always something going on, right and
• 23:23
  your life, like it never ends really, we all have problems.
• 23:27
  But what the tower teaches us is that even though this building
• 23:30
  is falling down, I mean, you have to look and see what can be
• 23:34
  salvaged from the wreckage. So I'd say, like, for this
• 23:38
  person, What can you salvaged from a situation that may be
• 23:43
  emotionally, isn't going well, maybe you got a valuable
• 23:49
  experience or like, I don't know.
• 23:55
  I really like the tower a lot actually.
• 23:57
  Because if, if you think about it, too, like a building falls
• 24:01
  down, it can be rebuilt stronger.
• 24:05
  Yeah, almost see it as a gay. And this one was the Water water
• 24:11
  element, right? Yeah.
• 24:13
  So I don't know, you know, I don't know.
• 24:16
  I'm very animistic in my views of the world as of late anyway
• 24:20
  and so I always see the entropic side of Nature and how Decay and
• 24:27
  and whatnot leads to New Life, you know, so things that are
• 24:31
  falling down and things that are falling apart.
• 24:34
  May not, they may have just run their course, you know what I
• 24:36
  mean? And it's time to lay those
• 24:37
  things to bed and looked To you said Salvage things that from
• 24:42
  the wreckage and build up from there.
• 24:45
  Right, when I got home. It doesn't always mean that
• 24:50
  something is going wrong in your life.
• 24:52
  It just means like, yeah, you gotta let go and move on and
• 24:56
  rebuild that stuff. I can become whole lot of us.
• 25:00
  Yeah, I mean it's a big that you guys will be able to see the
• 25:03
  image. It's a big building built on a
• 25:05
  tree. It's hard.
• 25:09
  A lot of people worked on that, like energy went into building
• 25:13
  that so hard to let go of things that you feel like you've put
• 25:16
  all your effort into, you know, that's like no man.
• 25:18
  But I did so much and why don't, you know, you almost.
• 25:21
  Yeah. You like, you want to hold onto
• 25:23
  that forever and doesn't always work that way.
• 25:26
  Now our fourth element fire, so your desires and passions the
• 25:35
  King of Swords speaking to somebody Ooh, I mean he is a
• 25:39
  noble, he's the highest of the Court cards and with swords
• 25:46
  being about truth about communication.
• 25:51
  And the image, he's reading a book.
• 25:54
  So again, going back to what do you stand for?
• 25:58
  What's important to you? What do you value?
• 26:02
  What else can I see here? There's a sword behind him.
• 26:08
  There's a boat. So, so water again, is part of
• 26:14
  the, the this fire element in a way.
• 26:18
  That's interesting there. If boat is their boats are used
• 26:20
  for traveling on water, right? I'm trying to see what you're
• 26:24
  seeing from the description of it.
• 26:25
  So, I'm well, when I think boats, you know, I'm thinking
• 26:27
  the the, the carrier across water and water leads to things,
• 26:31
  suggestive of travel, like there's a globe behind him to on
• 26:34
  the floor. Really?
• 26:37
  Okay. I mean, he's like in a library,
• 26:40
  it looks like a personal library, and there's like a
• 26:42
  really nice sword behind him. So that's probably somebody who
• 26:50
  wants to travel a lot. Somebody who likes to study
• 26:54
  other cultures, interesting. I mean, when I say Collective,
• 27:00
  we're probably reading for the both of us in a way to.
• 27:03
  It's just like it's interesting with Collective readings because
• 27:06
  Like I don't, I have like rolls with them.
• 27:10
  I won't do them on Tick-Tock because I've seen people do that
• 27:14
  and it's just very it's kind of gross.
• 27:17
  Like people are like, yes, no, you know, and they don't explain
• 27:20
  why. So yeah, I feel the same way
• 27:24
  about runic divination to. Right?
• 27:27
  So that's interesting. No, you're good.
• 27:30
  Like when you see that, it's just not genuine, it's just
• 27:34
  people. Trying to make a buck exactly
• 27:37
  charlatans me. Like I don't work that way.
• 27:41
  If if I give you an answer, I want to be able to go into it
• 27:44
  and sort of flesh out the details here.
• 27:50
  So That would be the fire element.
• 27:56
  Going into Spirit your truest self and the Divine, which is
• 28:02
  the 9 of Wands nines are a lot about attainment and ones are a
• 28:12
  lot about. Going back to like passion and
• 28:17
  the because the element for the suit of Wands is fire.
• 28:21
  So it's kind of its kind of crazy.
• 28:22
  The scred really just tied itself together but it shows a
• 28:27
  person she's looking through a telescope or Kaleidoscope
• 28:29
  whatever. Well, it's interesting because
• 28:33
  the spirit card has a representation of 9 which for
• 28:38
  those who follow in like the northern Traditions, like myself
• 28:41
  and whatnot. Nine is a sacred number the
• 28:44
  nine. In Realms, right?
• 28:45
  Yeah. Because you got the nine Realms
• 28:47
  and and so it gets that 9 and multiples of nine, the three
• 28:53
  norns. You know what I'm saying?
• 28:54
  So there's there's a lot of there's some sacred connections
• 28:59
  to that number and itself and you said the nine of ones which
• 29:02
  is I don't do Terror, I've not really studied him so much on
• 29:07
  weirdly enough. I was given a Tarot deck with a
• 29:11
  bunch of like Norse and and and whatnot image.
• 29:14
  On it. I've had those cards read for me
• 29:16
  and they were a gift from My Wife and I've had friends of
• 29:18
  mine, read those tarot's for me. But yeah.
• 29:21
  So there's like, you know, images of the Gods and then
• 29:23
  there's rooms and other things and so yeah.
• 29:26
  They're they're pretty neat. But that's not my Ally.
• 29:29
  Yeah, interesting. Interesting, spread So I can
• 29:37
  just like reference my guide really quick here though,
• 29:39
  please. Yeah.
• 29:40
  Because like, I'm really good at like the Arcana meetings but
• 29:46
  like the Pips are really hard because they make up half of the
• 29:49
  deck. So I mean you want to read as
• 29:53
  intuitively as possible, you want to see like what the card
• 29:56
  is kind of telling you. Oh I like it preparing for the
• 30:00
  next challenge. so, someone who's been through a lot of
• 30:09
  different things, and hmm. The Pips to their representative
• 30:24
  of situations. So she d k.
• 30:27
  Yeah, that's everybody's got their own situation, you know.
• 30:30
  But Whoever this is for its kind of saying that like this is the
• 30:39
  last stand. Like this is a decision has to
• 30:43
  be made. Maybe it's someone who is
• 30:48
  deciding their spiritual path. I don't know.
• 30:52
  Like am I doing this for real or?
• 30:54
  Yeah. Yeah so is this is it what
• 30:56
  you're doing now is this kind of like the read of the spread the
• 30:59
  summary of everything kind of yeah.
• 31:03
  Come to a, what we can do really quick with the oracle card sort
• 31:08
  of summarize. Everything we had And Temperance
• 31:15
  the tower King of Swords, 9 of Wands.
• 31:20
  That's I mean, it's pretty intense with, like the three
• 31:22
  major Arcana themes and they're like, that's a lot of Life
• 31:28
  Learning. So it ain't gonna get easy is
• 31:31
  what we're saying, right? It never does.
• 31:32
  This is, this is the buckle up. You have to be willing to be
• 31:37
  uncomfortable. You have to be willing to
• 31:38
  balance things and you definitely have to be willing to
• 31:42
  let go of what's not working anymore. or so, and then
• 31:49
  obviously, just standing up for what you believe in what you're
• 31:54
  passionate about and Then yeah, making a call spiritually.
• 32:03
  Like, if something's not working out, or I like that.
• 32:07
  Yeah. Because, you know, like I said
• 32:09
  before, some of the struggles that I see people, Facing with
• 32:18
  their spirituality and whatnot is is is you know Finding their
• 32:23
  own truth and especially in and I don't know if you have
• 32:28
  experienced this through your like druidic practices or
• 32:31
  studies and being being solitary you may have avoided some of
• 32:36
  what I'm about to say but at least in like the Heathen
• 32:39
  circles and communities. You know it's very
• 32:43
  Community-based tribal based, you know what I mean?
• 32:45
  Like a lot of people see that where Heathen re thrives and
• 32:49
  shines. The best is with Community with
• 32:52
  tribe, with others of like minds.
• 32:54
  And when you get so many like Minds together, you know, you're
• 32:57
  bound to cross cross swords a bit.
• 33:01
  You know, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to
• 33:02
  have debate, you're going to have disagreements and some of
• 33:05
  those disagreements get get so heated and so heavy that like
• 33:08
  especially on like the historical side of things.
• 33:10
  Some people will become VM and lie.
• 33:13
  You know, if it's not historical, then it's wrong and
• 33:17
  then you get people that are like, well guess I'm doing it
• 33:19
  wrong then and they they neglect to follow what they know to be
• 33:26
  true because it works for them and they abandon that because
• 33:30
  somebody guilted them into thinking, it was wrong.
• 33:32
  Like, who the hell are you to tell somebody what they're doing
• 33:35
  is wrong? That's their experience of, you
• 33:37
  know, their experiences are valid.
• 33:40
  And I, I love the history. Side of things, I love learning
• 33:44
  about the way, the culture was, you know, in pre-christian
• 33:49
  times. And and how the people from what
• 33:51
  we can learn through archaeological finds and other
• 33:53
  things, learn how the people probably lived and experienced
• 33:58
  the Divine in their ways. But I also feel like it needs to
• 34:04
  have its place, right? Like, that's how it was done
• 34:06
  back, then it was done back then for a specific reason because
• 34:09
  that was the way the world was at the time.
• 34:11
  You know, we don't we don't sacrifice Those horses nowadays
• 34:14
  because that's just not a thing we do.
• 34:17
  Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 34:18
  It's illegal in a lot of places and we certainly don't have, you
• 34:21
  know, nine-year sacrifices of of humans.
• 34:24
  Like they did at one point in time in all uppsala, you know,
• 34:29
  uppsala, Sweden and clearly that's not a thing anymore.
• 34:32
  So part of the history is like, yeah, let's let's stay relevant.
• 34:35
  And let's glean from it, but don't don't.
• 34:39
  Discredit someone's experience from being any less valid.
• 34:43
  So I like I like that the the cards that you've, you know,
• 34:48
  read and spread have this. This underlying theme may be an
• 34:52
  overarching theme of don't Don't be afraid to dig through the
• 34:59
  rubble of things. Don't be afraid to.
• 35:03
  Go down that path. Don't don't, don't be afraid to
• 35:05
  learn, don't be afraid to, you know, be ready to have your
• 35:10
  sword drawn right? Have that have that direction
• 35:13
  there? It's you know, but don't be
• 35:14
  afraid to go there. So it was a king.
• 35:17
  So I mean what he says is authoritative like it's not like
• 35:22
  a page or a night. It's definitely like you are.
• 35:25
  Right, right. It's like you are in control.
• 35:28
  So it's good. Yeah.
• 35:32
  Like I actually have one more quick reference for that Court
• 35:38
  card. Just look they get a little more
• 35:43
  specific. I'm actually in the middle of a
• 35:45
  master class for that one right now, but this this person though
• 35:53
  is definitely rational, I mean, Definitely.
• 35:58
  So. I'm hearing everything you're
• 36:02
  saying and I'm like applying it to myself and maybe the
• 36:04
  listeners once they get to this point are going to be doing the
• 36:06
  same, coz it's like, weird be for like everybody.
• 36:08
  Yeah. Let everybody kind of read about
• 36:11
  the police's. It's very like relatable to a
• 36:13
  lot of us. I did this reading for my dad.
• 36:16
  That was just insane because like it was so spot-on as far as
• 36:20
  just like his health, but your dad was insane or the reading
• 36:23
  was insane. Both is actually insane.
• 36:28
  You're like, I did this reading for my dad.
• 36:29
  That was insane. I'm like, oh, he was He is, he
• 36:32
  is like, definitely he is yeah, yeah we did The Chariot spread
• 36:37
  for him and I was like, Kay. So you're not sleeping still?
• 36:42
  You are like what else was there?
• 36:44
  There was like, oh, strength with was his obstacle that he
• 36:49
  was trying to overcome. I was like, okay, there was like
• 36:53
  a lot of really heavy stuff and I was like, yeah, I think this
• 36:57
  is you. So, But obviously with like
• 37:02
  friends and family sometimes, I mean, you know them, so it's
• 37:04
  definitely easier to relate the cards to just what you know
• 37:08
  about their lives. Yeah, because I didn't want to
• 37:13
  touch on that real quick because, you know, reading any
• 37:16
  sort of divination, I think I've done runic divination, you know,
• 37:21
  that, that's where that's where I found my comfort zone, and it
• 37:26
  hasn't been comfortable getting there.
• 37:28
  I mean, it's it was, it was sacrificed.
• 37:30
  There was a lot of Trials and whatnot to get where I am and
• 37:35
  I'm not even the greatest, I mean, it's always learning,
• 37:38
  right? Never always the student, never
• 37:39
  the master but But the bias you know that can sometimes creep in
• 37:46
  because of the person that, you know, you know, you maybe don't
• 37:49
  want to say the wrong thing or show them something that may be
• 37:53
  upsetting or whatever. It's like, sorry, but this
• 37:55
  isn't, I'm not, I'm not trying to make your day here.
• 37:58
  Yeah. This is what it says, you know,
• 37:59
  like right. It is what it is.
• 38:01
  Yeah. And how challenging that can be
• 38:03
  with people that we know that are close to us and yeah, it was
• 38:09
  I have kind of a mixed relationship with him but like,
• 38:13
  it was a Father's Day gift and I recorded like the audio notes.
• 38:18
  I like, you know, did like really detailed notes for him,
• 38:22
  and it was hard like telling him, you know, like, hey, we
• 38:25
  don't talk often but like you should just be aware that I'm
• 38:30
  aware, but like, this is going on and he ended really,
• 38:35
  hopefully, he got like, The Two of Wands or the 3 of Wands.
• 38:39
  I think it was the Two of Wands. Suggesting a lot of opportunity.
• 38:45
  But I mean, the thing about tarot and like the future cards,
• 38:48
  it's really you like, they'll never 100% promise anything.
• 38:53
  It's really up to you to do the work.
• 38:55
  So yeah. Yeah.
• 38:58
  Like divination is interesting. It's something and 2017.
• 39:03
  When I started, I bought my first deck.
• 39:07
  I didn't realize that's what I was doing.
• 39:10
  I didn't because I didn't really think of it as that, but like
• 39:13
  now in the last year or two, having studied it a lot more
• 39:18
  intensely. It's like wow.
• 39:20
  Yeah. We really are channeling like
• 39:22
  it. Man wears energy weaving is is a
• 39:25
  way I like to put it. It's so much just trying to see.
• 39:28
  Well, what if somebody else have to say?
• 39:30
  It's like what can I put into these threads?
• 39:33
  How can I weave things in my own way?
• 39:37
  You know, and it's really powerful stuff when, like, when
• 39:40
  you get people who are good at it, it does things.
• 39:45
  I know I've seen it, you know, it's nothing and people can be,
• 39:50
  you know, they can believe it or not and that's their
• 39:52
  prerogative. I'm just saying from my
• 39:53
  experience. It's when, when you, when you
• 39:59
  enter into those those threads and put yourself in it like that
• 40:05
  It's, you're part of it now and we have that ability and that's
• 40:09
  why I'm always cautious with people who get into Heathen Rios
• 40:15
  to say, hidenori specific because I know that's my
• 40:17
  wheelhouse and that was one of the first things they want to
• 40:20
  get into is, let's learn the runes.
• 40:23
  You know, I'm like, oh yeah, maybe not.
• 40:26
  Maybe make it hold off a bit, you know, like get into the
• 40:29
  understanding, like, Hearth coal, and your relationships
• 40:32
  with the, the spirits in and around you, you know, the VT.
• 40:34
  Here or whatever you want to call them.
• 40:36
  And then how your relationship blooms within or from that to
• 40:43
  dealing with the Divine. And then, you know, at some
• 40:45
  point along the way, it'll probably be made manifest to
• 40:48
  you. That the Rune should be
• 40:50
  something you delve into, and that's how it was for me, you
• 40:53
  know, I didn't think at first that was something I should do.
• 40:56
  It was, it was quite literally just like a crack in the middle
• 40:58
  of the night. You know, like a lightning crack
• 41:01
  that said time to do it time to hang from the You know, as it
• 41:06
  were and it that's where it started.
• 41:09
  It was his it wasn't me deciding to do it.
• 41:11
  It was getting this message as it were from like the, from the
• 41:15
  Divine Universe from the gods, however, you want to label it.
• 41:19
  That's how it was for me and I caution people that feel like
• 41:23
  they just have to do it because well, that's just part of
• 41:26
  heathen, re it's a part of it, but it's a separate part of it.
• 41:29
  Like, it's right back in the old days, you know, people that were
• 41:33
  Designated to do it. Did it not?
• 41:35
  He wouldn't look every Tom Dick and Harry in the village, you
• 41:37
  know, had her own set of runes. And like we have some sources
• 41:42
  that say well you know the man of the house would do it.
• 41:44
  And then you have other sources that mention void was, you know,
• 41:49
  specific services and in the the safe Kona, you know, those
• 41:54
  women, those people of the village of the of the area that
• 41:58
  were kind of traveling and did it from Village to Village, you
• 42:02
  know, they Stay in one place. I they took that stuff with them
• 42:05
  and why do you think that was? Because the people didn't want
• 42:08
  to keep that powerful energy. Like yeah, hibernating with
• 42:12
  right? Okay.
• 42:13
  You did your thing now right away.
• 42:17
  Yeah, it's kind of funny my husband because I've been
• 42:20
  educating him as I've gotten more into this especially this
• 42:23
  year. It's I'm like so today all you
• 42:27
  know, I'm a part of a community for Taro.
• 42:29
  I'm like today I learned it is crucial Do not touch someone's
• 42:34
  deck, unless you have their permission.
• 42:36
  Absolutely. Not like, if it's an accident.
• 42:39
  Okay? But oh, yeah, yeah, so he always
• 42:43
  asks, which is like so sweet because I'm like, it's okay.
• 42:46
  Yes, you can, like move them or whatever.
• 42:48
  And yeah, it's always one of those things because they do
• 42:52
  just have a lot of potent energy and them.
• 42:57
  So I don't when I do readings, you know, I pretty much make it
• 43:02
  known like The readings that I do with the runes that I use,
• 43:05
  these are mine, you know? Yeah.
• 43:08
  If I give you permission to touch one or more move one or
• 43:11
  pick one up, that's fine. Other than that, it's hands off.
• 43:14
  Let me, let me maneuver from, you know.
• 43:16
  Absolutely. So I guess I get it now.
• 43:20
  You know, we could almost make a whole podcast about divination
• 43:23
  maybe in the future. It definitely I think it's a fun
• 43:27
  topic and I think a lot of people are really into it.
• 43:31
  So it would be it would be a fun thing. but I do want to start
• 43:34
  because I'm trying to get ogham ruins which are Yes, they're the
• 43:39
  Celtic runes, because I'm like, okay, like I'm doing pretty good
• 43:42
  with Taro but I'm a druid, like, I should be reading ogham.
• 43:48
  So, which I have studied and charted like I know some of the
• 43:52
  basic meanings of those my hand books pretty comprehensive about
• 43:56
  it. So there is a go fund me if you
• 43:58
  guys wanted to donate. It just covers a set of runes a
• 44:02
  book and a notebook and I was willing to do Because like, you
• 44:09
  know, I'm not going to charge for something.
• 44:11
  I don't know how to do yet. So if you guys want to practice
• 44:13
  like we can do whatever Zoom or whatever once I studied.
• 44:17
  Yeah awesome. So we'll be definitely you know
• 44:20
  will definitely be linking that because I'm all about you know,
• 44:23
  tapping into the the resources in the community and
• 44:26
  crowdfunding is a great way for people to support you know small
• 44:31
  businesses and support their creators and and and be
• 44:35
  interactive in that way. So yes, it'll be linked in the
• 44:38
  Show notes in description. So check it all out for sure.
• 44:41
  Thank you. Yeah, so burnout burnout, you
• 44:48
  know, this, this topic, this word can cover a slew of things.
• 44:53
  You can be physically burnt out because you just like and don't
• 44:55
  feel like getting up and doing anything because it's so
• 44:58
  repetitive, right. I'm bored.
• 45:00
  But uh, so we can talk about that too.
• 45:02
  But also, I think it definitely hits home for a lot of us when
• 45:06
  it comes to a Feeling. Burnt out in spiritually.
• 45:10
  Oh yeah. I've experienced stuff like that
• 45:13
  yourself. Yeah.
• 45:14
  And I would say like most recently it would have been like
• 45:22
  end of last year and I was kind of just doing my thing.
• 45:25
  Normally I was still working in pharmacy.
• 45:28
  At the time though, as a technician really hard job
• 45:31
  especially during the holidays. And I just kind of stopped, like
• 45:37
  I stopped even acknowledging the deities, I was working with each
• 45:43
  day, I wasn't really like I was barely reading tarot.
• 45:48
  I try to do that for myself every day, if not, you know,
• 45:52
  doing readings for other people, but I was definitely burned out
• 45:57
  physically. Mentally spiritually, didn't
• 46:00
  want to do it anymore, like, definitely did you.
• 46:05
  And I know I've done this to wear.
• 46:09
  You find something of inspiration, right?
• 46:11
  And it it gets you fired up, you know, you want to, you want to
• 46:15
  be immersed in it all the time as much as possible and that's
• 46:19
  where you find your your happiness, you know, we are
• 46:21
  fulfillment and then something happens.
• 46:26
  That takes that away. And I think a lot of us wonder
• 46:31
  what was it ever? Really that strong enough to
• 46:32
  begin with if something in my life could.
• 46:37
  Take that fire away, you know, and, and lose lose that
• 46:41
  interest, we almost feel ashamed.
• 46:44
  I think some of us do that that, you know, life in general.
• 46:47
  Can can be so manipulative, you know, towards us and take away
• 46:52
  things that we at one time felt so.
• 46:54
  Passionate about. Right, right?
• 46:57
  What are some things that you felt?
• 46:59
  Like, maybe you felt, you know, beneficial to Healing that kind
• 47:04
  of feeling. I recommitted to sobriety that
• 47:10
  seriously helped me a lot. I know for me, it just runs in
• 47:14
  my family. So for me, it's just not a good
• 47:16
  idea, you know, like just that's it, it's just not a good idea
• 47:21
  for me. So, no simulation, no substances
• 47:24
  at all to any, a sort of stimulants.
• 47:27
  Just it's a hard, no, right. Yeah.
• 47:32
  So, I mean sobriety it's just it really rocks.
• 47:35
  Like I'm five or six months sober now and I'm like, I
• 47:38
  imagined. Yeah.
• 47:39
  Thank you like. It's just like I have those
• 47:44
  relationships with them. Those guides like again.
• 47:49
  And that doesn't, I'm not thinking about, oh, I have to,
• 47:54
  you know, budget around my alcohol this week, or I have to,
• 48:01
  you know, like play on my drinking or whatever.
• 48:04
  Like, I know, for people who struggle with that, it's just
• 48:07
  kind of like, okay, can I get away with it here?
• 48:09
  Can I not like when I get home? Like alcohol is really just it's
• 48:15
  your brain. Yep.
• 48:18
  So recommitting to sobriety was like huge for me and Yeah, just
• 48:29
  I I stopped working in Pharmacy. I took some time off because I
• 48:33
  wanted to study for my federal certification so I had like a
• 48:37
  stage, a provisional license in my state but if your federally
• 48:42
  licensed by the board I could work in like any state or
• 48:45
  territory so I took some time off to do that.
• 48:51
  And you know what kind of happened is I just ended up
• 48:53
  leaning more towards my spirituality like I was trying
• 48:58
  to study Pharmacy everyday, but I was like I love
• 49:04
  Pharmaceuticals. I love how helpful they are
• 49:07
  sometimes but they can do a lot of damage to.
• 49:10
  I've seen it synthetic drugs, you mean night like?
• 49:12
  Yeah, and I saw that and the pharmacy.
• 49:15
  It's totally a huge reason. I relapsed, it's totally a huge
• 49:19
  reason. I burned out was just seeing
• 49:21
  these people struggle over chemicals.
• 49:26
  It's just what it is. Yeah, I never really realized
• 49:30
  just hearing you say like, what kind of You know, the type of
• 49:35
  people that you're exposed to every day working in that
• 49:39
  industry, you know, it's not just people coming in because
• 49:42
  they need her asthma inhaler. Refill, like there's people that
• 49:47
  make the regular Pharmacy visits because of some pretty
• 49:50
  heavy-duty stuff, right? I mean, I'm sure you got some
• 49:54
  crazy, so our stories, which we don't have to go into.
• 49:56
  But I mean I'm sure you've seen some things.
• 50:05
  Wow. You know like that's that's just
• 50:07
  like what hurt ultimately and like made me so just not want to
• 50:15
  do it anymore. It hurt your spirituality, you
• 50:19
  mean yeah. Like the I was like it's like
• 50:21
  soul-crushing. Like, you know so sounds very
• 50:28
  It's like the path of an imp like an empath.
• 50:30
  Like it sounds very empathetic to to the point of other
• 50:34
  people's pain is your pain? Yeah yeah yeah.
• 50:39
  And I definitely think that comes with like my mood disorder
• 50:42
  to but because I'm bipolar but like no.
• 50:47
  Yeah like I mean as a technician as a pharmacist you do have that
• 50:51
  bedside manner. You do care about your patience.
• 50:53
  Everybody gets burned out. I mean like, physically for not
• 50:58
  Eating, we're not drinking enough water.
• 51:03
  I there would even be times where it's like, do I have time
• 51:07
  to go to the bathroom? Dude, it's the bathroom, like,
• 51:09
  going to the bathroom, you know, right.
• 51:11
  That's how bad it would get though.
• 51:12
  Like, so I just, I studied for it for a while and I was like, I
• 51:18
  can't be a part of that. Like something where your basic
• 51:22
  needs aren't even really like, you just care so much or the
• 51:28
  company care. So much that, like, you're not
• 51:30
  even taking care of yourself, physically the life to work.
• 51:33
  This is off. Yes.
• 51:35
  Yeah. Which I know a lot of folks in
• 51:37
  you know at least here in this country in the United States can
• 51:41
  can relate to, we have a terrible life work, balance
• 51:45
  ethic, you know, I mean, like ethically, morally, whatever?
• 51:48
  Like especially when you get into a corporate like corporate
• 51:52
  type jobs or at the corporate level.
• 51:54
  I mean, Any any efforts to, you know, Advanced almost it goes
• 52:01
  hand-in-hand with. Well, you're going to have less
• 52:03
  time with your family. You know.
• 52:05
  You got to put more time into the business, more time into the
• 52:07
  company. I'm like, I'm sorry, but I don't
• 52:10
  either, there is nothing. There is no monetary job on this
• 52:13
  planet, that is worth that to me.
• 52:17
  You know what I mean? Like, I take my time off now and
• 52:20
  I didn't used to, you know, I mean, like there were there was
• 52:22
  times over my life where I'd be like, well I didn't use it, you
• 52:26
  know, Eating like my vacation time or pay time off and I know
• 52:30
  not everybody has a career or job that offers that but when it
• 52:34
  does and when you can don't, don't let it burn up.
• 52:37
  Don't don't let her lie. Don't let her lie literally I'll
• 52:40
  get it out. Don't literally let your Like
• 52:46
  your health burn up on you, you need that time away from your
• 52:51
  job from because look, how many, how many hours of the day do we
• 52:55
  spend away from our loved ones because of these things called
• 52:59
  jobs, right? And we're losing that connection
• 53:03
  that meaningful connection with the people that matter the most.
• 53:07
  We're not, we're not sitting down at dinners together hardly
• 53:11
  anymore, we're not taking time even when we do go, Go out to
• 53:14
  eat to enjoy one another's company because it's such a busy
• 53:18
  hectic, you know, get in this seat feed them, get them out of
• 53:22
  the seat. So the next people can come in
• 53:23
  repeat, you know, I mean like it's such a it's such a
• 53:26
  disconnected lifestyle that the world has kind of just leaned
• 53:31
  into gongyo gravitated towards. It's no wonder.
• 53:33
  People are just like I'm sick of this, I'm burnt out.
• 53:36
  I don't know what to do anymore. Where can I feel rejuvenated,
• 53:40
  right? I have the a lot of it starts
• 53:45
  just with your basic. Self-care is yeah.
• 53:48
  Like take care of ourselves. Are you eating?
• 53:50
  Are you eating at the same time? It's like is it good food?
• 53:53
  You know, are you just grabbing whatever is available?
• 53:58
  Yeah, I was totally being enough.
• 53:59
  Oh sorry, no it's okay. I interrupt you but yeah like
• 54:02
  the eat it. The eating thing I was talking
• 54:03
  with someone, not all that long ago.
• 54:05
  It was about being full after we eat versus being fulfilled.
• 54:11
  And you look at like, the portions A food that are served
• 54:14
  in like restaurants nowadays and everybody's like all they had
• 54:18
  such great portions. Well, sure.
• 54:21
  But is it just empty calories? I mean are you literally eating
• 54:23
  2,000 calories at lunch of junk? You know, you look other places
• 54:28
  in the world and it's like they they give you, you know, a
• 54:30
  little but it's like naturally grown organic.
• 54:34
  It's full. Yeah, it's fulfilling again, it
• 54:37
  makes you feel better when you eat food that, you know, there's
• 54:41
  been loved and Care put into it. It's such a different experience
• 54:46
  than just eating for the sake of eating.
• 54:47
  It's like eating to be nourished on all levels.
• 54:50
  Definitely, I had gastric bypass done two years ago.
• 54:56
  It really taught me how to eat again, like yeah.
• 55:01
  I was basically a baby. Like I went from liquid to
• 55:04
  semi-solid to solids again. Oh yeah.
• 55:08
  So I'm, like, really picky about what I eat now.
• 55:11
  I mean, Sometimes it's kind of like, I don't know.
• 55:16
  I just think of this random story that like a fitness
• 55:19
  trainer I follow. She was talking about how she
• 55:23
  was training for a like body competition.
• 55:28
  Some sort of swimsuit competition and it got crazy to
• 55:32
  the point. She wouldn't eat an apple
• 55:34
  because she was afraid it would like show.
• 55:36
  I mean that is like carrying a little too much.
• 55:38
  So I'm not that crazy but like Yeah, you know, it goes both
• 55:44
  ways. It actually goes both ways.
• 55:47
  Absolutely. I think you can get burnt out on
• 55:50
  the good stuff too. Mmm.
• 55:51
  If I mean, Going through hard or being any, any extreme to any
• 55:57
  level isn't isn't healthy, you know, moderation is the key.
• 56:02
  You know, you can be a gym rat and a fitness buff or a
• 56:06
  nutrition Guru and still be miserable.
• 56:10
  And be like, I'm just done with, you know, counting the calories,
• 56:13
  the macros the, you know, again moderation, right?
• 56:17
  Yeah, you can do it easily enough.
• 56:19
  Our card we pulled for temperance, it goes back to that
• 56:22
  the balance. There you go.
• 56:25
  I've been meditating on that one, a lot, this past week.
• 56:29
  I know we were like, emailing back and forth and I was like,
• 56:32
  I'm going to start the nicotine lozenges, which I do and don't I
• 56:37
  just tried to, like, put it down occasionally like give myself a
• 56:41
  timer or something, but baby steps, you know, you gotta start
• 56:46
  somewhere, but that's great because, you know, the
• 56:50
  temperance thing really does fit.
• 56:52
  And again, like we had no, A least I didn't prior to this
• 56:56
  episode that that was going to be a card that is pulled on an
• 57:00
  episode built around balance or you know, burnout requires it to
• 57:05
  to avoid the burnout. You got to have balance, you
• 57:07
  know, because again if you're too much one way or the other,
• 57:11
  then of course you're going to get tired of it.
• 57:13
  You're going to be hell with all this, man.
• 57:16
  Why bother anymore? What's the point?
• 57:18
  You're not feeling fulfilled, you know, some of the things
• 57:22
  that have helped me. Find balance and nobody's
• 57:25
  perfect. And I'm one of those people who
• 57:26
  aren't, you know, but one of the things that have helped me find
• 57:29
  balance is knowing when I want something versus when I need
• 57:33
  something. And if I feel that it's a vice
• 57:36
  or if it's something that is you know, potentially harmful to me
• 57:40
  or others around me. If I feel like I need it then, I
• 57:44
  don't. Yeah.
• 57:45
  You know, if I want something, how badly do I want it?
• 57:50
  Do I want it because I'm feeling Stressed or do I want it?
• 57:54
  Because I'm feeling like burnt out all mans.
• 57:56
  Having this would really really calm me down that that rip that
• 58:00
  changes from a want to. We need because now you're
• 58:02
  you're feeling like an order to not feel a certain way.
• 58:07
  This other thing has to be part of your repertoire to achieve
• 58:12
  that feeling, you know, versus just wow.
• 58:15
  You know, it's a nice cool night or it's a nice warm night.
• 58:18
  I would really enjoy this thing that or the other, right?
• 58:21
  And then just leave it at that. So you know burnout can happen
• 58:26
  when we overindulge when we push too hard when we go to hard in
• 58:30
  the paint right when we're right and we're just giving everything
• 58:33
  we've got and not nurturing ourselves to be able to handle
• 58:37
  it. I think is another key thing.
• 58:39
  Burnout happens when we've just were firing on all cylinders and
• 58:42
  we're not given that engine enough time to cool down before
• 58:44
  we fire back up. Again I just thought of like I
• 58:49
  think too when we're burned out, Maybe physically, we get so
• 58:54
  tired but it's like there's kind of something really cool about
• 59:00
  just being disciplined. I mean I sometimes I wake up and
• 59:04
  I'm like I don't really want to pull any cards but I'm like but
• 59:06
  I'll feel so much better if I do.
• 59:08
  If I do you know go shuffle my deck and get out my journal, I
• 59:13
  always feel a lot better and what I like about how its
• 59:19
  evolved to nowadays is Like, maybe I'm running out the door
• 59:27
  and I check my app for Taro and I just pull a random card.
• 59:33
  Okay. I mean, there's probably people
• 59:36
  who are like, you didn't create a Sacred Space and this, and
• 59:38
  that. And I'm like, but I did, you
• 59:40
  know, I took a moment to sort of breathe and clear my head.
• 59:43
  I was, you know, driving with my husband somewhere, I had a
• 59:48
  question, whatever, like I nurtured myself spiritually.
• 59:52
  So, Like, there are tools that you can utilize spiritually.
• 59:59
  If you are feeling burned out, it doesn't have to be sit down
• 1:00:06
  at my altar line up on my crystals, light my candles, you
• 1:00:10
  know, I don't have the opportunity to do that.
• 1:00:17
  And I have to be like a formal event, right?
• 1:00:21
  I do believe in clearing your head space before you access any
• 1:00:27
  energy like that. But yeah, like I I think a lot
• 1:00:33
  of us, we feel like there's pressure to Do that to just be
• 1:00:39
  like, well, you know, I I've been out all day and I didn't
• 1:00:44
  have time to set up my altar so like forget it.
• 1:00:47
  I'm just gonna Go to bed or I'm just gonna keep watching TV or
• 1:00:53
  whatever, not engage. Yeah, like doing the complete
• 1:00:58
  opposite of The Other Extreme. Yes, you know going too hard and
• 1:01:03
  then that's that's when opposite that's one extreme and then you
• 1:01:05
  have the opposite of that as not doing anything at all.
• 1:01:08
  Not even trying and putting forth any effort.
• 1:01:12
  And I got to thinking about to I don't know if you've ever
• 1:01:14
  experienced this with I'm sure there's people that have been in
• 1:01:19
  your life who admire you write. That look up to you.
• 1:01:26
  And when they see things that you do to whatever degree,
• 1:01:30
  right? Even if it's just a social media
• 1:01:32
  post or whatever like they have this, they have this vision of
• 1:01:37
  you, they they Envision you as a certain thing, right?
• 1:01:39
  And they feel like they're that they're falling short because
• 1:01:45
  they're not doing the things that you're doing.
• 1:01:47
  You know what I mean? Have you ever experienced that
• 1:01:51
  comparing yourself or yeah, I'm comparing themselves.
• 1:01:55
  Like yes, they see this source of inspiration and they are like
• 1:02:01
  I want to be that I want to be just like that or they go.
• 1:02:05
  I want what you've got. I want with that person has and
• 1:02:11
  I've been victim of that to I've been, like, I see, you know,
• 1:02:15
  over the years, the way, you know, someone's houses or their
• 1:02:21
  aesthetic or just the way they are, you know, project
• 1:02:24
  themselves online on social media, and I learned very
• 1:02:28
  quickly, you know, not everything that you see is
• 1:02:30
  what's really happened. Actually, you're only seeing a
• 1:02:34
  portion of it, you're seeing a side of this person's life.
• 1:02:37
  This isn't 100%, always there reality, they're going to have
• 1:02:41
  bad. Bad days, she's gets messy with
• 1:02:43
  them to just like it does with us.
• 1:02:45
  So so you know, I think some of the things that we talked about
• 1:02:49
  burnout is if you're always trying to achieve something that
• 1:02:53
  you think is the ideal lifestyle and you're basing that off of
• 1:02:58
  what you see online or what you see someone just sharing about
• 1:03:01
  on their social media, that's an unrealistic goal to attain.
• 1:03:04
  Absolutely you can't you can't do that and then it feels in
• 1:03:09
  fulfilled and Richard of course you're going to Burnt out
• 1:03:12
  because you're striving for something that doesn't exist.
• 1:03:16
  I have been I earlier this year, listen to a great book about
• 1:03:20
  this called something like how to make house when you're
• 1:03:23
  drowning or something like that. I was in this support group for
• 1:03:28
  women on Discord but like, and everybody was listening to it
• 1:03:32
  anyways, so we're like this is so great because the author is
• 1:03:36
  really like you're not lazy, you know, you're just human.
• 1:03:40
  Like if you If you have a laundry system, your laundry
• 1:03:43
  doesn't get perfectly folded and put away.
• 1:03:46
  You're just taking it from the dryer.
• 1:03:48
  Hey, you have a working laundry system.
• 1:03:50
  I'll tell you that. I like your clothes.
• 1:03:52
  Get clean. You wear them.
• 1:03:54
  Like, that's just reality. Or there was like something
• 1:03:59
  else. I was reading.
• 1:04:00
  Where am I kind of lost my train of thought, but like my point is
• 1:04:04
  just, how is this are meant to be lived in like they're meant
• 1:04:08
  to be lived in. And honestly, when you're seeing
• 1:04:11
  Content creators like show you their space at probably only
• 1:04:15
  looks like that 15 or 20 percent of the time for the content.
• 1:04:18
  Yeah. I gotta set the stage, you know?
• 1:04:21
  Yeah. Because houses are just like,
• 1:04:24
  you know, we eat and we sleep and go about our lives here and
• 1:04:30
  I'll tell you, I don't know, I don't, I don't feel very
• 1:04:32
  welcoming if I'm in someone's home, that's like spotless.
• 1:04:35
  I'm like paranoid, I'm like oh yeah, do they do anything here?
• 1:04:38
  Is this like a rental space that they are?
• 1:04:40
  They just showing This off for everybody to think certain like
• 1:04:44
  where do you live? Like how do you hmm.
• 1:04:46
  What do you do here? Like there's, you know, again
• 1:04:48
  moderation is key. You know, there's some people
• 1:04:50
  are more fastidious than others and other people's standards of
• 1:04:55
  cleanliness are a bit different, right?
• 1:04:58
  But as long as it's not like just, you know, a train wreck in
• 1:05:01
  your living room or it's, you know, you know, the roaches are
• 1:05:05
  vying for space. Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Basic standards is getting done. You want to make sure that You
• 1:05:11
  know, sweeping and stuff and yeah, like I see some dust on a
• 1:05:15
  coffee table or on a shelf. No, I mean be like, well, this
• 1:05:19
  is what life's about, you know, it's not perfect and that's
• 1:05:23
  okay, don't stress it. But yeah, especially if you have
• 1:05:27
  kids. I mean, I mean I don't I don't
• 1:05:29
  have any kids myself but like, you know my my niece and stuff
• 1:05:33
  like my sister-in-law be like, I'm sorry or the pets, you know,
• 1:05:36
  the dog and stuff. And yeah, I'm like hey she's
• 1:05:40
  like three, it's okay. Okay, what age are nice is going
• 1:05:44
  to be 2 in September and we've got three dogs.
• 1:05:48
  Uh-huh. So, there you go.
• 1:05:50
  I mean, when it comes to like our standard of cleanliness,
• 1:05:54
  it's like, well, at least there's not, you know, piles of
• 1:05:57
  fur in the corner like a little bit of dust here.
• 1:06:00
  Some toys throwing around right? You know, what's it's fine?
• 1:06:04
  Yeah. So, but yeah, don't don't some
• 1:06:08
  so like I don't When people talk about, you know, the burnout
• 1:06:13
  thing. It's sometimes you just put in
• 1:06:14
  too much into the things that almost don't matter.
• 1:06:16
  Like, exactly. Don't try to live like me.
• 1:06:19
  I mean, great if I'm being inspiring and and there are
• 1:06:22
  things about what I'm saying or doing that inspire you to find
• 1:06:26
  some sort of fulfillment in that way than do it.
• 1:06:29
  But, I mean, don't try to copy me, don't Don't Be Me, Be
• 1:06:34
  Yourself. Yes you are.
• 1:06:35
  You and everybody is unique and yeah like everybody.
• 1:06:40
  Has something to offer. So yep, they're just part of
• 1:06:44
  that. I think it's part of that study.
• 1:06:48
  You know, I'm Lena. I'm reflecting a bit on the
• 1:06:50
  cards and I'm probably butchering some of the context
• 1:06:53
  but also the king, you know, reading his books and in that
• 1:06:59
  Library, you know, where all this knowledge is accessible,
• 1:07:03
  you know, and it's boy, you could, you could, you could
• 1:07:06
  drown yourself in those Waters, you could become so engrossed
• 1:07:10
  with trying. To find the answer that.
• 1:07:11
  When it's smack-dab in front of your face you can't see it and
• 1:07:16
  sometimes that's all it takes. Sometimes it takes us.
• 1:07:19
  Sometimes it takes, is the the time to pull back, get out of
• 1:07:25
  that mess, get out of the muck and just evaluate things, you
• 1:07:28
  know, take that time away. If you're so engrossed with
• 1:07:31
  something, not meaning you, I'm just saying like to the piano Us
• 1:07:35
  in general. Like, we're so engrossed in
• 1:07:36
  things that we are that are that are our lives with other people
• 1:07:42
  or just our quality of life of suffering, then.
• 1:07:45
  I think it's time that we reevaluate?
• 1:07:47
  Yes, I talk all, it course. Corrections, you know, a hundred
• 1:07:50
  percent. I think that's what the 9 of
• 1:07:52
  Wands was talking about to, it's like, it's definitely time.
• 1:07:57
  So just make a call but like I feel that with like the being
• 1:08:04
  engrossed and studying and everything we're like I mean
• 1:08:10
  that's how Pharmacy has been for me at certain points.
• 1:08:14
  There's also ADHD and my family we can definitely hyper focus on
• 1:08:18
  topics. Very intensely that's how like
• 1:08:22
  video games have been at a certain point for me.
• 1:08:25
  There was one point in my life. Life where the trading card
• 1:08:30
  game. I talked about with you.
• 1:08:31
  That's all that would get me out of bed in the day like I
• 1:08:34
  couldn't even get up but I would to get my daily login and like
• 1:08:38
  to play, like that was the only thing that kept me going.
• 1:08:44
  So, while I think it can keep you pushing on and everything,
• 1:08:49
  it's like, There's the again, the balance that was it come to
• 1:08:56
  this. How is it come to the?
• 1:08:57
  I was like, how has it come to? I'm just playing this card game.
• 1:09:03
  A lot of it had to do with my living situation.
• 1:09:05
  I think we could talk about like environment to.
• 1:09:08
  There are a lot of issues going on out of my control like with
• 1:09:11
  my family. But like I also think it's
• 1:09:17
  really important when you're in too deep, you definitely just
• 1:09:21
  have to remember stereotypical if it's not, okay, it's not the
• 1:09:26
  end. I like to think that.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah, if it really isn't the end, if everything isn't okay,
• 1:09:33
  then it probably isn't the end. You have a lot of different
• 1:09:36
  options like you're going to get through it, resources, whatever
• 1:09:40
  to help, you know, make it. Yeah.
• 1:09:42
  You're going to make it. Hmm.
• 1:09:44
  And I've had a lot of things, you know, because I do this
• 1:09:49
  stuff here on the podcast, you know, and I have a Cadence that
• 1:09:52
  I do it in. I've fallen victim of feeling
• 1:09:59
  the obligation to do something, just because I've set that
• 1:10:02
  expectation and again, moderation, right?
• 1:10:05
  There's a fine line. Yes, I do have an obligation.
• 1:10:08
  I do have a responsibility to fulfill things because that's
• 1:10:12
  the expectation, I've set, but that, that responsibility, and
• 1:10:16
  that obligation doesn't measure up nearly, as much as say, my
• 1:10:19
  obligation to my, my wife, or my family, or my tribe, you know
• 1:10:23
  what I mean? Like, there's a different
• 1:10:24
  Barrel, easy. A different measure that were
• 1:10:26
  that were stacking things up against and so if I get busy one
• 1:10:31
  week or if I'm just not feeling it or really anything, it's kind
• 1:10:35
  of like a guy I used to be at a place where I would be I would
• 1:10:39
  feel really, really bad about not doing a podcast for a week
• 1:10:44
  or two weeks or whatever. And I would feel like I'm
• 1:10:46
  letting these people down and then I realized, Well, no, I'm
• 1:10:50
  doing this for myself because I can't I can't do you know
• 1:10:53
  anything of quality if I'm still be here, like forcing it.
• 1:10:57
  And that's what I think. That's a part of of burnout to
• 1:11:01
  is, you know, you feel like I just have to do this for
• 1:11:04
  whatever reason looking in. You have a sense of obligation
• 1:11:06
  or the sense of responsibility and then soon, that that that
• 1:11:11
  takes over and you're like, no, fuck it, I'm not doing it
• 1:11:13
  anymore and you lose the fire and you go just on, I'm done.
• 1:11:18
  Oh yeah, be careful with that. That you know you are recently
• 1:11:20
  took that week off to go to the beach or whatever.
• 1:11:23
  I was happy for you. I was like, that's awesome.
• 1:11:26
  Like it's probably going to be so fun and so relaxing and I
• 1:11:30
  just listened to my other podcasts like no big deal.
• 1:11:33
  I was like, he's taking much needed time off.
• 1:11:36
  I think you just hit like some Milestone or something and I was
• 1:11:38
  like yeah. Like well that was a that was a
• 1:11:42
  much-needed time because I you know back in April when I lost
• 1:11:47
  my dad might I'm away from the podcast.
• 1:11:51
  Was spent going to back to New York and spend time up there.
• 1:11:55
  And then I came right back after that and went back to work.
• 1:11:59
  And so, yeah, sure it was two weeks off of work, you know.
• 1:12:03
  But considering what the purpose and the reason of why I was
• 1:12:07
  there, I didn't get a break II. If anything, I had more, you
• 1:12:11
  know, things Weighing on my mind and on my heart then if I hadn't
• 1:12:16
  taken off. So it did it reached the point?
• 1:12:19
  Where I'm like, I just need to not do anything.
• 1:12:21
  I need to forget that there's a page, a channel, a podcast.
• 1:12:25
  And I just need to look at the water for a week or have my, you
• 1:12:28
  know, anything and if that's what it takes.
• 1:12:32
  You know, then do it right? I said before, you know, don't
• 1:12:35
  be afraid to take that break at that mental vacation, just
• 1:12:38
  disconnect for a while, right? You know, and if it requires you
• 1:12:42
  to make that big thing, you know, just do a hard reset and
• 1:12:46
  unplug everything. Yeah, I mean, that's what it
• 1:12:49
  takes. Yeah.
• 1:12:51
  And I mean, you know, like, I was supposed to be on this show
• 1:12:54
  a little earlier even, but then my grandfather passed on the 9th
• 1:12:58
  and like we had a lot of time to prepare for.
• 1:13:02
  He did have a lot of chronic health issues, okay.
• 1:13:05
  Still, that's a patriarchal figure.
• 1:13:08
  Yes, passing and like, I had all of these readings lined up for
• 1:13:14
  like, my friends and my family and I was working through them
• 1:13:17
  so slowly and it usually would happen in the afternoons.
• 1:13:20
  I would do so good during the mornings.
• 1:13:22
  It would get to be about like two or three.
• 1:13:24
  And I was like, I just can't anymore and I would just like
• 1:13:27
  take my comfort food to bed and like you know, put something on
• 1:13:31
  TV. Go on a walk, whatever.
• 1:13:35
  And like I'd even like put my phone on silent mode, like you.
• 1:13:38
  No, no. I don't want to talk to anybody
• 1:13:40
  right now and it was, I mean his funeral this past week, it was
• 1:13:47
  definitely very. It was just peaceful like,
• 1:13:50
  finally laying him to rest and I really have felt like going back
• 1:13:55
  into my line of work with the cards and everything.
• 1:13:59
  It's like, okay, I'm ready. Now, and yeah, like, it was very
• 1:14:07
  hard, but like, I talked to my grandma this morning, she's
• 1:14:12
  doing. Okay, that's good.
• 1:14:15
  Yeah. Like family becomes really
• 1:14:17
  important around this x perspective changes.
• 1:14:20
  You know, things get things, get brought back into Focus.
• 1:14:23
  I think, I think anybody who's a anyone who's experienced a close
• 1:14:27
  loss, can definitely relate to that.
• 1:14:32
  The the perspective of life in general, just where the
• 1:14:35
  importance of things land for us, it shifts, it changes after
• 1:14:40
  the loss of someone so close like that.
• 1:14:44
  And I think that's part of the lesson, you know, dealing with
• 1:14:48
  burnout. It's it happens to all of us.
• 1:14:50
  You're not exempt from it. No one's exempt from.
• 1:14:52
  And we're not saying that here are your top 10, you know,
• 1:14:56
  druidic and Heathen, tips to avoid burnout.
• 1:15:00
  Look, guys, it's gonna happen. You got it.
• 1:15:01
  You're gonna bit, you're going to get fed up.
• 1:15:04
  I really think you just need to do what you need to do.
• 1:15:06
  If that's like my way of coping with my grandfather, seriously
• 1:15:10
  was just YouTube, French bread and like, butter.
• 1:15:13
  That's what I did. Like, that's how I coped.
• 1:15:16
  Yeah, I was like, I just need this right now and I allowed
• 1:15:21
  myself and I feel better. And I'm back to my like regular
• 1:15:26
  eating habits now because I gave myself that time.
• 1:15:28
  So see, that's a good point, too.
• 1:15:31
  I mean, catharsis the way it happens can, can it be some of
• 1:15:37
  the most random and odds seemingly odd ways?
• 1:15:40
  You know, I mean, When I walk Barefoot on the ground, you
• 1:15:44
  know, that's cathartic it. Oh yeah, it's it's, you know,
• 1:15:48
  but in other people be like, who weirdo?
• 1:15:50
  Yeah, maybe it'll work for some people, but maybe not, but, or
• 1:15:53
  maybe they just haven't, maybe they just haven't reached the
• 1:15:56
  point in their lives, where they realize how it works and
• 1:15:59
  believing that it works and actually putting forth the
• 1:16:02
  effort to want it to work, right?
• 1:16:04
  You know what I mean? Like, I can, I can sit here
• 1:16:06
  until somebody who doesn't believe in runic magic, all day
• 1:16:10
  long. About how my my castings.
• 1:16:12
  Have impacted people's lives, maybe like a honky a cool story
• 1:16:15
  bro, whatever. Yeah.
• 1:16:16
  But if the so if they don't believe it is it real to them?
• 1:16:20
  No, it's not real to them because they don't believe it.
• 1:16:22
  And you got to have a sense of belief that there has to be
• 1:16:26
  that, that spark, I think in us that says it is true.
• 1:16:32
  Yeah. Believes it is true.
• 1:16:34
  Yeah. So when we do those things,
• 1:16:36
  where we're weaving that magic, once again, to make it manifest
• 1:16:42
  Amanda, Tested, you know how much is reading it from a book
• 1:16:45
  because some cool guy. Whatever years ago said that
• 1:16:48
  this is a good idea, I'm applying it because speaks to me
• 1:16:51
  and it's something that Within Myself with is in my soul is a,
• 1:16:55
  it's it resonates. But I look at my tarot.
• 1:16:58
  I'm thinking back to, wow, you know, this is something that's
• 1:17:01
  like almost 700 years old. I mean, think of the different
• 1:17:04
  figures that have held these cards like, how its developed I
• 1:17:11
  mean, All were hanged for it. They were burned for it like
• 1:17:15
  yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  Like it's really powerful shit. So yeah, and the cool thing
• 1:17:23
  about tarot to at least from a lot of the materials I've been
• 1:17:27
  studying and reading and following is just a like you
• 1:17:33
  don't necessarily have to be psychic.
• 1:17:36
  A lot of it really is just intuition.
• 1:17:38
  Like you look at your room you look at your card.
• 1:17:41
  What does that involve? Oh, can you what kinds of
• 1:17:43
  feelings? What kind of words and imagery
• 1:17:46
  come to mind and like, the rest is kind of takes care of itself.
• 1:17:49
  It's really crazy how it happens every time.
• 1:17:51
  But yeah, I think if if I, you know and that's one of the
• 1:17:58
  things too, like I don't know if you've seen this in some of your
• 1:18:03
  Like online boards and whatnot. But do people share like their
• 1:18:07
  own Taro spreads and in like some stuff that you're involved
• 1:18:11
  in. Like did you see people online
• 1:18:13
  like sharing their Taro spreads and asking for interpretations
• 1:18:17
  or hey, this is what I see. What do you see?
• 1:18:19
  Or is it, is it? Like, I've seen that with the
• 1:18:21
  runes like people be like goes, I drew, you know, three sauce on
• 1:18:25
  soos and when yo, what does this mean?
• 1:18:27
  And yeah, well, you're going to get, however, many people are in
• 1:18:30
  this group, like if every single one of them answers, you're
• 1:18:32
  probably going to get well, how many different answers?
• 1:18:35
  What does it say to you to everybody, right?
• 1:18:38
  How I interpreted the tower? Somebody could probably
• 1:18:40
  interpret that a lot more negatively.
• 1:18:42
  Just depending on like, what kind of reader they are.
• 1:18:46
  Well, the context of the draw, right?
• 1:18:48
  Except the draw? Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  Like, what question are we answering if it was a question
• 1:18:52
  about a relationship like poof? Yeah, probably probs not good,
• 1:18:58
  but like hopeful in the sense that like, you got some
• 1:19:01
  experiences out of it and Maybe it could be rebuilt as like, how
• 1:19:05
  I would interpret that in a relationship so like, yeah, I
• 1:19:11
  don't know. But I do see people sharing,
• 1:19:14
  like one woman on our community. She shared help.
• 1:19:18
  I drew like seven or eight cards.
• 1:19:20
  They're all reversed. This has never happened before.
• 1:19:22
  That would probably freak me out.
• 1:19:25
  I don't really, I rarely work with reversed cards.
• 1:19:28
  It's just kind of a preference right now.
• 1:19:31
  I would probably freak out because a Lot of people when
• 1:19:34
  they see reversed their like, it's - it's this and that, but
• 1:19:39
  like, reversals don't always have to be negative either,
• 1:19:41
  sometimes they're actually more positive.
• 1:19:43
  So everybody was just kind of commenting.
• 1:19:45
  Like, it's okay that's happened to me too.
• 1:19:48
  Or like, you know, this and that and the other thing.
• 1:19:51
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  I've seen, you know, runes, get bold or castings done and those
• 1:20:01
  who have done. Rennick divination for years,
• 1:20:07
  will comment on something and there are nuances that are
• 1:20:11
  shared you know, and similarities that other people
• 1:20:13
  that get brought into it that will maybe look at it and give
• 1:20:16
  their put their two cents in, you know, find find common
• 1:20:20
  ground with but in many cases the the one person's read on the
• 1:20:26
  runes is different than the other person's and they're all
• 1:20:28
  the same runes. You know, it's like well you
• 1:20:31
  know, if you get somebody who reads them, Left to right.
• 1:20:34
  Let's say, you know, it's going to be totally a totally
• 1:20:38
  different story than from someone who reads them right to
• 1:20:40
  left, right, or who doesn't have any format of reading them, they
• 1:20:43
  may be look at them in the sense of well, which one came closest
• 1:20:46
  to the person who you were casting for.
• 1:20:49
  Or you know, what time of day was it?
• 1:20:52
  I don't know. I'm just, you know, know stuff
• 1:20:54
  like that actor though. And then like with tarot you can
• 1:20:57
  even get into well what star sign or whatever.
• 1:21:02
  Is this is this like a An Aries or a torus or I mean it just
• 1:21:06
  gets crazy. You tell you can, you can like,
• 1:21:11
  we all agree, there's like keywords.
• 1:21:12
  There's like key meanings to these cards but Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Like it's really cool because you just can kind of put your
• 1:21:22
  personality into it. I've heard that too.
• 1:21:26
  Yeah, you know, somebody reading the your your cards that you
• 1:21:29
  read them versus the next person who has their cards, how they
• 1:21:32
  read them, you get that their element, you know, their
• 1:21:38
  personality, their their style and for the rooms especially you
• 1:21:43
  know, again they have they all have their inherent meaning like
• 1:21:46
  you know, feyo Wealth, you know, right?
• 1:21:50
  Okay, it doesn't mean much, right?
• 1:21:52
  But really like what are we talking about here?
• 1:21:54
  We're looking at a spread or at a casting or a drawer or
• 1:21:57
  something, you know? And it may not literally mean
• 1:22:02
  cattle in the literal sense. It has esoteric or metaphysical
• 1:22:07
  meanings that we like to associate them with and and
• 1:22:10
  whether that's you know, rooted in anything super ancient or not
• 1:22:14
  it has definitely that method has proven to work for naught.
• 1:22:18
  Just me but others too. Yeah.
• 1:22:20
  So what's wrong with that? You know?
• 1:22:23
  Right. And with kind of Coming.
• 1:22:25
  I was I mentioned one time. Like oh wow we got all these
• 1:22:28
  room poems. You know, we got a Norwegian
• 1:22:29
  room poem and Anglo-Saxon room poem.
• 1:22:31
  We got a and Icelandic room poem I mentioned.
• 1:22:35
  I said what someone would tell Michael what about what about
• 1:22:37
  our room poems? What kind of Room Palms.
• 1:22:40
  Are we writing? And it's not to try to take away
• 1:22:44
  from what those those characters represent, but I guess my point
• 1:22:50
  being was, are we breathing new life into this?
• 1:22:54
  Seemingly older or semi ancient way of trying to get a sense of
• 1:22:59
  things, you know? I mean, at one point in time,
• 1:23:02
  whether it was runes, or whether it was just sticks with symbols
• 1:23:04
  carved on them cards, or, or tea leaves, or Fire or anything.
• 1:23:10
  In the Divination has been a very present component in human
• 1:23:15
  existence for a very long time. And so I would love to learn how
• 1:23:20
  to read tea leaves. I think that is so cool.
• 1:23:23
  I don't know much about that at all though.
• 1:23:25
  I know nothing about it. I just know I did something and
• 1:23:27
  I'm like, that's crazy. You know, like the fires crying
• 1:23:31
  I think is another one or, or is there one with, like, mirrors to
• 1:23:35
  like, like, actually what I do to you during my readings, I do
• 1:23:37
  like some smokes crying. So because I'm vaping so, oh,
• 1:23:42
  cool. Yeah, I was just like, I never
• 1:23:44
  told ya, I'm like, why the hell no ii-i'm like breathing life
• 1:23:47
  over these cards? Like, you know, I might as well
• 1:23:49
  try to discern us cry. So, how's that work for you?
• 1:23:57
  You keep going back to doing it, or is it like, well, that was
• 1:23:59
  weird. I won't do that again or has it
• 1:24:01
  given you like a perspective to pursue that element in your, in
• 1:24:05
  your readings, definitely? Because I mean I was an Earth
• 1:24:08
  element, as a Taurus. I'm very like I love the earth,
• 1:24:11
  I love the ground, I hate the wind.
• 1:24:15
  When it gets windy. I hate it gets my hair.
• 1:24:18
  All tangled, you know, it rocks the house.
• 1:24:21
  So I was like, okay, well like I can't because where I live?
• 1:24:25
  live, I can't burn incense inside which sucks, but I can
• 1:24:30
  vape and I'm like, okay, and I just got the idea from like my
• 1:24:35
  grimoire one day because they have like guided Like Journal,
• 1:24:41
  prompts whatever. And it's like, try smokes,
• 1:24:43
  crying. And she had the example of like
• 1:24:46
  a candle, and I was like, well, I can't do that, but I'm vaping
• 1:24:49
  so I might as well. Yeah, you just, you just try to
• 1:24:52
  see like images and stuff. Yeah, make it work.
• 1:24:55
  I know your own way, you know, our, our friend of mine.
• 1:25:00
  He's our brother and our tribe. He's a fool.
• 1:25:02
  And he's also a Taurus. And, and then I'm a Scorpio are.
• 1:25:07
  Goethe is a Libra, my wife, Sally, ohh, Nice.
• 1:25:11
  So yeah, our charts are all over the place.
• 1:25:14
  You look at like how some of our charts like If you enter like
• 1:25:21
  astrology at all, but like how the charts?
• 1:25:22
  Can sometimes create ourselves? Not very good at it.
• 1:25:25
  Yeah. Like there was one one time who
• 1:25:30
  he still a dear friend of mine and he used to be our go there,
• 1:25:34
  but he's a, he's a Scorpio as well.
• 1:25:36
  And both of our charts when you combine them literally look like
• 1:25:39
  a hammer like a mule Nur. It was like very very
• 1:25:42
  definitive. Yeah.
• 1:25:44
  And like the one between me and our current go.
• 1:25:48
  The right now it's very Angular very Rocky.
• 1:25:50
  And I'm like, this is interesting, you know?
• 1:25:52
  Yeah. He's the, the Libra and I'm the
• 1:25:56
  Scorpio, but with his chart him and I forget who else.
• 1:25:59
  But his, his chart looks like a bow and arrow like like a, like
• 1:26:03
  a drawn bow and arrow. Uh-huh.
• 1:26:05
  It's really interesting. That's cool.
• 1:26:08
  I thought he was like a Sagittarius or something, but
• 1:26:12
  maybe his moon is in sagittarii. Don't remember, I, I know, is I
• 1:26:15
  know I'm like a Taurus, Virgo, Virgo.
• 1:26:17
  But I don't know much about like my Rising.
• 1:26:19
  NG and stuff like that, how that I'm a Scorpio Rising my son's in
• 1:26:24
  Scorpio, but my moon is in Gemini, aha, so I got that
• 1:26:28
  double Scorpio thing going on. Hmm, which makes it difficult
• 1:26:30
  for people sometimes, but yeah, it's always fun.
• 1:26:34
  You know? Yeah, astrology is really fun
• 1:26:36
  sometimes. Like I read things and I'm like,
• 1:26:38
  okay no. But for the most part, that's
• 1:26:43
  such a tourist. No, I don't like the thing about
• 1:26:46
  Taurus liking food. That's definitely true.
• 1:26:49
  That's a comfort thing for us. Like when in doubt, maybe some
• 1:26:53
  good food will like help a little bit, right?
• 1:26:55
  But like I think that's just certain people man.
• 1:26:59
  Like I hate that's a comfort for me.
• 1:27:00
  Like if I can get a good meal in me, then it's like those old
• 1:27:05
  Snickers commercials. You know, you're not yourself
• 1:27:08
  when you're you're not yourself, when you're angry, when you're
• 1:27:10
  hungry, just being mortal, you know, you have your low blood
• 1:27:14
  sugar and you got to take care of yourself and stuff and yeah.
• 1:27:19
  Yeah, like astrology is really cool though.
• 1:27:22
  I just checked my phone and the Moon is a little over half wax
• 1:27:28
  that's under Libra right now. Just so that's cool.
• 1:27:32
  My sister-in-law is a Libra and she's like a therapist so she
• 1:27:36
  does really good at like balancing your your, you know,
• 1:27:40
  your strengths and your weaknesses.
• 1:27:42
  So yeah, that's an important thing to therapy, you know,
• 1:27:46
  being yeah, maybe not going necessarily going to it.
• 1:27:49
  Because I was just thinking like burnout and right, how sometimes
• 1:27:52
  we can't take care of ourselves, sometimes we need that that
• 1:27:55
  extra component that third party, that unbiased person to
• 1:28:02
  help us out and that's okay. Definitely therapy can
• 1:28:06
  definitely really hope I've done group or individual and they're
• 1:28:09
  both pretty good. And then you like it to a point
• 1:28:12
  sometimes where it's like, all right.
• 1:28:15
  Like I have done a lot of work here, I think I'm okay now or I
• 1:28:19
  mean, if you can't afford therapy and I mean there's
• 1:28:23
  self-help books, there's a lot of support groups that are free
• 1:28:26
  like I don't go to AA meetings but those are free.
• 1:28:30
  Yeah. You know, like there are
• 1:28:33
  definitely a lot of resources. So it's so it's so accessible
• 1:28:38
  to, you know, for any and every type, I go to the library, like,
• 1:28:42
  the libraries for you. I love the library.
• 1:28:46
  He I've heard both sides of, you know, that argument people who I
• 1:28:50
  know that will find every reason and excuse why they can't get
• 1:28:56
  the help. that they need, you know, and I'm like Is it that
• 1:29:03
  you can't or that you won't it's that they won't trust you know.
• 1:29:06
  And yeah you know because if you got a and you know that's the
• 1:29:11
  ugly part of ourselves that is hard to yep.
• 1:29:14
  Face. When you're being confronted
• 1:29:16
  with the ugly truth, you know that's just like that's human
• 1:29:22
  nature. Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's human nature stuff.
• 1:29:25
  Defend ourselves like my dad is that's him.
• 1:29:29
  I mean and that's Sucks. It's just like, well, I can't do
• 1:29:34
  the work for you though. So exactly.
• 1:29:37
  You know, I wonder half the time some, you know, with some of the
• 1:29:40
  experiences I've had maybe not half the time, but in some of
• 1:29:43
  the experiences that I've had, I'm walking away from the
• 1:29:46
  encounter going. Were you expecting me to like,
• 1:29:51
  like do this for every this for you?
• 1:29:54
  Where you just, I mean, you know, your left there wondering,
• 1:29:56
  like, what the heck just happened here?
• 1:29:58
  Like, okay. You're venting like, you're
• 1:30:01
  clearly venting. Like, Get that.
• 1:30:02
  And so I'm not going to say a whole lot, but then you're
• 1:30:05
  almost like feeling like they're expecting a response and in such
• 1:30:08
  a way that they feel like, oh yeah, you could you take this
• 1:30:11
  for me or could you do this for me?
• 1:30:13
  And I'm just over here going. No, right?
• 1:30:15
  Yes, this is your ship. You gotta say little man, right?
• 1:30:19
  I'll help when I can, but I'm not gonna do it.
• 1:30:21
  I can't do this for you. I think, for his reading because
• 1:30:26
  like, sometimes I'll be like, here's a little homework.
• 1:30:28
  No, it's just if you want to, like, meditate on.
• 1:30:32
  Thing for a few minutes or maybe there's like a little journaling
• 1:30:35
  prompt. I'll be like he, hey, like
• 1:30:37
  journal on this. I think I just told him to like,
• 1:30:43
  reflect on, whatever he was afraid of doing.
• 1:30:45
  Like I know he's not going to do it and it's like, do I still
• 1:30:48
  sleep at night? Of course, I do like because,
• 1:30:52
  you know, like I can't control that and you love that person,
• 1:30:57
  they mean so much to you, but Like they got to do it, click on
• 1:31:03
  about the working selves. Yeah.
• 1:31:04
  Like there's something about them that really blocks their
• 1:31:09
  ability to like love themselves. So And we all get into those
• 1:31:15
  times, I think, you know, just some people worse than others or
• 1:31:17
  more intense than others, you know, taking care of ourselves
• 1:31:21
  on yourself. Some people just really when
• 1:31:23
  they don't love themselves, they hate themselves.
• 1:31:26
  Yeah. And they hate themselves hard to
• 1:31:29
  the point that they, they, they withdraw, they, they pull away
• 1:31:32
  and it's like, man, that ain't the way, dude.
• 1:31:36
  Like that, ain't, that ain't it. If I understand like, how
• 1:31:40
  Solitude can be healing, it's like Like when I do the like
• 1:31:44
  runic stuff, whenever I see, Esau ice.
• 1:31:47
  I look at that as its Stillness Its Reflection.
• 1:31:53
  You know, because the water now is like the mirror and it's
• 1:31:56
  introspection, you know, you got to go inward but you also can't
• 1:32:00
  stay there too long because it can stagnate and it can become
• 1:32:04
  yes, vile. And you can become so lost in
• 1:32:07
  your own self that you've lost sight of the next cycle, the
• 1:32:12
  era, the The the harvest, the time to move right to allow that
• 1:32:16
  movement in that change to happen.
• 1:32:17
  And some people really I've come to learn have have a real tough
• 1:32:23
  time. Breaking through that ice.
• 1:32:24
  Yeah, they become Frozen in Time as it were and they can't get
• 1:32:28
  past it. And it's it takes a lot of
• 1:32:30
  chipping away and it's so the layers.
• 1:32:32
  I'm like, you know, it's just want to do what you can, but
• 1:32:36
  honestly, the best thing to do is just to be there to, just be
• 1:32:40
  there like to be present for them.
• 1:32:44
  Yeah, that's hard. Yeah definitely.
• 1:32:48
  This has been a great show. I've been having a lot of fun,
• 1:32:53
  you know? I think I think the people
• 1:32:54
  listening and watching will hopefully, take some of what we
• 1:32:57
  said. I know we went off in a lot of
• 1:32:58
  different directions but coming back to the same, you know, the
• 1:33:02
  burnout right? And I think yeah, are sharing
• 1:33:04
  some similar thoughts and we've shared our own life experiences
• 1:33:07
  with people to give them Insight of.
• 1:33:10
  Well, here's some ways, maybe to deal with it.
• 1:33:13
  I'm not saying that you're going to avoid it.
• 1:33:15
  I don't think that's what we're trying to say.
• 1:33:16
  You're not going to avoid it, but here's how Deal with it.
• 1:33:18
  When you encounter these moments in your life, you know, step
• 1:33:23
  back, take care of yourself, take care of yourself, is what I
• 1:33:27
  was going to say. Because yeah, like somebody
• 1:33:28
  taught me that a long time ago and like, I've never forgotten
• 1:33:33
  it. Like, yeah, if you don't you
• 1:33:35
  can't pour from an empty cup like there it is?
• 1:33:38
  Yeah, people care of yourself. You can't take care of your
• 1:33:41
  family or anyone. So, yeah, anyone that you, that
• 1:33:45
  that may look up to you or that may have, you know, unn
• 1:33:48
  Admiration or that you just want to be there for like you can't
• 1:33:51
  be that person for them if your you say you know running on
• 1:33:55
  empty. So I definitely take care of
• 1:33:57
  yourself and I didn't know did was there it was there a part
• 1:34:01
  two of the there's an already hard.
• 1:34:03
  Yeah so we had our five card Tarot pole.
• 1:34:06
  So I'll just give a brief explanation of what Oracle decks
• 1:34:09
  are. Oracle decks are much more
• 1:34:10
  casual than Taro. I mean, you could have Angel
• 1:34:13
  Moon. We're doing a moon or a cold
• 1:34:15
  deck today. Yeah.
• 1:34:18
  Yeah. Like the ancient gods you could
• 1:34:20
  do like Egyptian or Norris or whatever Native American and
• 1:34:24
  they're much more. Casual in the sense that they
• 1:34:25
  usually just give like advice, but they're still pretty crazy
• 1:34:29
  accurate at like reading situations, I found.
• 1:34:33
  So we had the Five Card spread, we're going to conclude with,
• 1:34:36
  like what should we do with the insights that we've gotten from
• 1:34:43
  Tarot deck, right? Forgot who full moon in Leo,
• 1:34:50
  don't let pride get in your way. Yeah, that's good.
• 1:34:56
  I think that's good. That can definitely be the thing
• 1:35:00
  that stops us from advancing. Is our own Pride.
• 1:35:04
  Yeah, he's mentioned that just little while ago right like
• 1:35:08
  those unsavory Parts, the things that we don't like to hear about
• 1:35:10
  ourselves its inherent in us to be super defensive and be like
• 1:35:15
  well absolutely justify it. You know there's yeah selling
• 1:35:20
  yourself short and then kind of Being too confident.
• 1:35:27
  I'm trying to find this place in the guidebook but And then I'll
• 1:35:31
  take a photo so that we can show ya.
• 1:35:36
  Where is it what the heck? Well, this is a great moment of
• 1:35:41
  the podcast, right? Yeah.
• 1:35:43
  It's real life, guys. Like this is, this is a really,
• 1:35:46
  I'm not eating any of this right now.
• 1:35:48
  Normally, I'm normally, when you see people through Collective
• 1:35:50
  readings on YouTube, they have the time to like, edit and Kaia
• 1:35:53
  and everything, I'm like, write notes down.
• 1:35:55
  Yeah, this is happening in real life.
• 1:35:58
  This is real time. I'll We write down notes for our
• 1:36:02
  reading to so that I'll post them in the comments or
• 1:36:06
  something like yeah, you guys. So have you been letting your
• 1:36:10
  pride become an obstacle? Leo energy is all about the
• 1:36:15
  heart because it's the king of the jungle.
• 1:36:21
  So when, when Leo's energy is combined with the full moon
• 1:36:24
  though, it kind of goes over the top.
• 1:36:29
  See. It's a time to find a balance
• 1:36:34
  between your own needs and the needs of the people around you.
• 1:36:37
  Hey, that's like the theme of podcast.
• 1:36:39
  Kinda yes. Yes, this will help all of your
• 1:36:42
  relationships. Additional meetings here.
• 1:36:46
  Self-esteem is good. Vanity is not.
• 1:36:49
  Everyone is equally important definitely.
• 1:36:53
  If you were feeling like doing something creative this weekend,
• 1:36:55
  this card says go for it. Oh, and maybe for someone a
• 1:37:00
  friendship might be ending. Yeah.
• 1:37:03
  There's multiple meanings for this card.
• 1:37:05
  So maybe with that Spirit card, making a decision or something.
• 1:37:13
  I don't know. Yeah, like it, our there is.
• 1:37:15
  Is there again, you know? Yeah.
• 1:37:17
  Like there's a lot of, that's true.
• 1:37:19
  Like, relationships are constantly changing and people
• 1:37:21
  are coming and going. So someone could be going
• 1:37:23
  through that and this week. A lot.
• 1:37:29
  Yeah, this Oracle deck is awesome.
• 1:37:32
  A lot to a lot to meditate on lot to chew on, you know, for
• 1:37:36
  everyone listening and I mean, for me, for sure.
• 1:37:38
  So, appreciate you being first of all, you know, thinking of it
• 1:37:41
  and coming up with the idea and then living it out.
• 1:37:45
  Yeah, it's great. So this is, you know, this is a
• 1:37:48
  great sort of testimony to a druid slug, right?
• 1:37:51
  Because this is what? Part of at least what you do.
• 1:37:55
  Yep. For.
• 1:37:56
  From, and what you're offering, you know, so you guys saw it
• 1:37:59
  here. So I listened to it experienced
• 1:38:02
  it here on the random, even ramblings podcast, first for
• 1:38:06
  anybody, maybe that's, that's done it with you before they
• 1:38:08
  already knew it. But for those that are new to
• 1:38:10
  this experience, now, you know, kind of what you're getting
• 1:38:13
  into. And, you know, you're going to
• 1:38:16
  find all of the links for Druids luck and everything, organs
• 1:38:21
  affiliated with in the comments or sorry in the description in
• 1:38:24
  the show notes of the So, do be sure to check it out with the
• 1:38:28
  readings to when you guys contact me, I am totally open to
• 1:38:31
  ideas. We can definitely customize
• 1:38:33
  something to work with, like, seriously, every reading is
• 1:38:38
  customizable. So that's great.
• 1:38:41
  I feel like having that, you know, kind of a knot out of the
• 1:38:47
  box experience. You know what I mean?
• 1:38:48
  Because I think sometimes people are just so original.
• 1:38:52
  Yeah. You know, like well, it's a, you
• 1:38:54
  know, 20 minutes and And this is what you're going to get or
• 1:38:57
  whatever free card whatever like Celtic cross.
• 1:39:00
  I mean, no, we can, like go way beyond that.
• 1:39:02
  So yeah. So you definitely getting a
• 1:39:05
  heartfelt experience. I feel you know which means a
• 1:39:08
  lot to people and I think that the from what we were able to
• 1:39:12
  experience today amongst the conversation a very genuine
• 1:39:15
  experience, you know, heartfelt and genuine dialogue.
• 1:39:18
  Yeah, very good. So yeah, that about wraps it up
• 1:39:22
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• 1:39:56
  Anything else that you'd like to say to the people more before we
• 1:39:58
  wrap this up? Dreams do come true.
• 1:40:00
  Guys, I wanted to be on this podcast.
• 1:40:02
  It happened. So follow your dreams.
• 1:40:06
  I. Yeah, that's a great.
• 1:40:08
  That's a great sign off and I hope invite people to as well.
• 1:40:11
  You know you never know if you're thinking about writing in
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  if you're thinking about sharing your ideas at all it can yeah
• 1:40:17
  there you go it done. This is a classic example of
• 1:40:21
  somebody. I never knew really before who's
• 1:40:22
  been following this stuff for four years.
• 1:40:26
  Now here they are on the podcast, you know, talking about
• 1:40:29
  everything that they do and hopefully sharing some really
• 1:40:32
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• 1:40:36
  So it is absolutely doable and we encourage it.
• 1:40:39
  So right in call in share your thoughts be interactive.
• 1:40:42
  It's what makes this so much fun for all of us.
• 1:40:45
  It was fun. Yeah.
• 1:40:47
  Well it's been great having you on.
• 1:40:49
  Thank you so much for joining me thing, be my guest today and for
• 1:40:51
  all the listeners and Watchers across midgard and Beyond.
• 1:40:55
  If there's anybody out, Out there may the gods continue to
• 1:40:58
  notice you and may your ancestors smile, upon you.
• 1:41:01
  See in the next one.