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Is Time Real? — Intentionally Blank Ep. 278 · Intentionally Blank

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Dan food heist me.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I have been sent this particular food heist a lot.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope you haven't heard of it.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Excuse me.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Donald is eating like potato chips or something like that.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, what do you mean?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: What is the what what am I doing over here?
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: You want to be a co-host.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: You need to act professionally.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm acting incredibly professionally.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm stealing some food while you're doing your food heist.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Gosh.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Stealing some food from the bag you brought.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I I had to get this bag.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: Is that five guys?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: This is five guys.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: You got five guys and you didn't get me one.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Dan, you were in a meeting.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you're eating it during your food heist.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, gosh.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Next time you get five guys, you have to get me one.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: Deal.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: But that means we have to pay.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we are paying him more.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: We also have a budget for this podcast.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: He can get you dinner.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: But the operations department has started asking me pointed questions about how I spend podcast money.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Ah.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: So so Which is funny because I haven't spent podcast money in forever.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, here.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is Little Debbie Snacks.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: What about this one?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: Is this the same one Donald already did?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same one.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same one.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: I joked with you before that you were going to pig me.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you did.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but here's the thing.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't tell him which one it was Donald did.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's the most boring food heist.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: And all I was going to say about it is read the subtitle of this article, which is Investigators Allege Forged Store Signatures Helped Fraudulent Invoices Move Through a Central Billing System.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then the whole audience falls asleep.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like I wanted to present this one because, like, many, many people have sent it to me, but it's just boring.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: The Debbie Downers.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: The little Debbie Downers.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Little Debbie Downers.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: I told Donald this person does not get in the food prison at all.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, they're in the neighboring food fraud prison, which is not as cool.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Which, to be fair, we do talk about a lot.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: But second of all, add some drama to your life, Debbie Downers.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Try to take a risk now and then.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: Do something interesting instead of just defraud a snack cake company.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're stealing food for our entertainment.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: Do it well.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I'm gonna give you instead is a story about a woman in Bolivia who sneaked into a wedding pretending to be part of the I think the bride's party.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then she stole like all the food.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, from the wedding.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's cruel.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I've not fully read this article because I was hoping to do the little Debbie thing and then I've went into a coma.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: So that's pretty great.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, evil.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's legit evil for food heist.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: You steal the food from a wedding, ruin the bride's day, but it's an actual heist.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: They had to sneak in and it, you know, use a use a false name, maybe some false IDs, and you know, how do you get that food out?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: You probably had to have like something sneaky.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and it is once again on the fraud side.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: And this doesn't surprise me because it is the single most common form of food theft is pretending to be the correct transportation person and not actually being the correct transport.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a random person that snuck in, ate all the food, and left.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't eat all the food, they just took it with them.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, does this mean I stole the food?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, one member of the family said, I'm reading this in Spanish, said that the thief's objective was the money that was allocated for the clothes of the bridal couple.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: So the wedding casher.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's solid.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm impressed with how quickly you come up with those.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Puns are the lowest form of comedy, but you are.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: Our comment sections, comment sections are able to crowdfund puns faster than we can come up with them.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, the wedding cachers.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, a couple of depressing food heists.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: One that's not really good and another one that is good, but also ruined a wedding.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that is a great segue to Donald asking us distressing questions because we did a podcast like this a while ago where he came up with difficult questions for us to answer.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Controversies.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: So not necessarily distressing questions.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: They could be.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: They're controversial.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: They could be really distressing.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like last time I remember some heated discussions.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's where the Kit Kat came from.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, so Donald, keep in mind today is the first day of the week that I have not felt clinically depressed.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: So if you spiral me into a crash, I'm eating the rest of your hamburger.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Deal.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: But I won't enjoy it because I'll be depressed.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: And kicks just keep getting harder to find.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, go ahead.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the first one that I have is do you own land to the center of the earth?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, legally, no.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, but kind of you should, right?
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, who owns that?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: It should be like the person, like, you know, you can dig pretty deep on your land and you have those rights, right?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: You can dig pretty deep, but there is a legal limit, like, under which you can't do it.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we can frack into substrate deep under your homes, and there's nothing you can do about it.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: Someone else can say you can legally trespass by digging too deep.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's huh.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what the dwarves did in Moria.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: So they trespassed upon the uh the land belonging to the Balrog.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: They were trying to frack down in the foundations of the earth.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Frack is such a weird word.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you said earlier, weird word, you said sneaked.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Do you sneaked instead of snuck?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: I say sneaked and I say hanged instead of hung.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hanged.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was somehow those words became firm in my vocabulary.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: Do you use hanged for more than just an execution?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like you say hung it on a hook.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you would say that.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't hang it on a hook.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I use hanged.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like that one.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: But sneaked.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: I do say sneaked because I snuck to me, whatever teacher taught me this, snuck sounds like bad English to me.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: I remember once, like, did this happen to you as a writer?
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: You become a professional writer and you start writing.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then you see a word on the page and you're like, wait a minute.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: Is that the right word, or is that just the word I use?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that happened to me early in my career with sneaked.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then I really snuck.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I don't know which is the word.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it was it was a little bit of a small moral crisis to me that I didn't know.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then I loved and look it up.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the dictionary said both are correct.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: So it didn't help me.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: So my first or second grade teacher.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, no, what happens to me more often is that all of a sudden, some part of my brain that's never seen this word before will see it and go, is that a real word?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, the most recent one I remember was rash.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: I had written the word rash and I was like, those letters don't even make sense next to each other.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: What is going on?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're giggling.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: This happens regularly.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, I'm I'm laughing to myself because I think I had this happen to me when I wrote walk.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, walk.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, walk.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: Why is there we spell walk?
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: We spell walk?
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with us?
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I wonder if other languages have this issue as much as English, because our orthography is so bad.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe in languages that make slightly more sense, they don't have this.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think it's because the spelling is actively weird.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like rash, there's nothing weird about that spelling.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's just you write so many things that your brain says, oh, sorry, yeah, I've deleted that word.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess we have to resave it now.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't on my question list, but I am genuinely curious.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: Do you two have a favorite word?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thwart.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: Thwart.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: Thwart is my favorite word by far.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, I love the thwa.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: I love weird consonant clusters like warmth.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because most people in English will put a P into it instead of saying warmth.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's very hard to get from a voiced M to a voiceless th without something in between.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so I love those kinds of words, but thwart, not only is it a cool word that you only say when you're being awesome, but just that consonant cluster in particular delights me.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: So that's my favorite word.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: What's that?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Can I say my favorite word?
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what's your favorite word, Ollie?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Come say it in the microphone.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Pneumono ultramicoscopic silicon of kiniconiosis.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Nerd.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: Nerd, you left out a syllable though.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's pneumono.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I always said that wrong when I was a kid too.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: How many kids memorize black lung disease, the scientific terminology, because it's the longest word in the English language?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: I genuinely think that learning that word is the single most valuable thing I got out of elementary school.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because it taught me that big words were not scary, that they were understandable, that if you broke it down, you could learn how to spell it, that you could learn what it means, that words could be fun and cool.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: I I have deep love for that word because of that.
• 10:10
  unknown: I I I don't think I did.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: You said new no or pneumo instead of pneumono.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's definitely the Pop Tarts problem.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I learned in grade school to tie my shoes.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's been really handy.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: I remember learning that, and I remember thinking this is hard, but I'm gonna do it and learning it.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: The States song has been really handy to me because I use it as my soundtrack.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh-huh.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: I learned music, and that was really handy.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Just having a basic understanding of music just useful.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: So those are things that I remember I learned.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: And also the program.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: We had turtles.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Turtle.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Huh.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, Donald, you're just a little too young for this.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think Donald's a lot too young.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: A lot too young.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, Ollie's a lot too young.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Donald's a little too young.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Donald, when were you born?
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: 99.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: See?
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think anyone is even using Turtle by 99.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, they weren't.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, that's that's I was using it in the 90s.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: Fancy.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: I remember learning it in school, and then my mom sent me to a summer class.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like nine or ten.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: And she would just drop me off in this building, and I would go in and learn turtle for a while.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: So, Donald, turtle is a very basic way to teach kids programming by giving instructions to a little icon on a screen that they would call the turtle.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's really just a mouse icon.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you would give it an order of operations.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was not a photorealistic turtle.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: You gave it an order of operations and it did them in the order you gave them.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it would draw a line anywhere it went.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think you actually had to tell it to turn turn off the line.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you could.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Clearly, my summer class at nine years old did not.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's on default to draw the line, but maybe it's not.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: But you could have it lift up and stuff.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, you'd try to figure out how to draw things by saying, turn right this degree, go forward this many pixels, turn right, and it just got you thinking about, you know.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: You could set up repeats so that you know you would have it go off at a weird angle and turn at a weird angle and then repeat that and build like a flower.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was a really good program for teaching programming.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: I assume, since they don't use it anymore, that they have better stuff now.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: But it it introduced to me the concepts of programming, and that stuck with me all this time.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: And also, you've died of dysentery.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Did you play that?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: I actually have never played Oregon Trail.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we played that in computer labs.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I am in what people call the Oregon Trail generation, which is tail end of X and beginning of millennial.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: But no, my school didn't do Oregon Trail.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: We did something with a bird.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a trivia and puzzle solving competition.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: And my team actually went to a national level.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, it was all done over very early internet, so it was just in the computer room at my elementary school.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I got them to Oregon.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: You got to Oregon, huh?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: I got them to Oregon.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to do.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: My family's died a lot.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think I ever got to Oregon intact.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Meaning somebody starved, someone died of dysentery, somebody yeah.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: So that's cool.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's fair.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: See, you guys had to deal with that.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: I put Halo onto all the school computers, and that was my great accomplishment.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you, killed a lot of classes.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: So that was high school, but not grade school that we were doing stuff like that.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, they didn't know, people didn't know a lot about computers during our day.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: So we got we could get away with all kinds of crap.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: We got away with a lot of things.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: And to be clear, you also got away with a lot of crap, but it's because you were good at it.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we were not good at it.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: We did not have to be good at it to get away with it.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Jord, my brother, who's been on the podcast, famously went to the computer lab in high school and loaded every computer with a thing that had a picture of a Mickey Mouse on it that any key you typed, he flipped you off.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: And you had to hit the exact specific keystroke to take it off.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: He put it on all the computers.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: So there's Mickey flipping the bird at everybody.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a Jordo story for you.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, when I was in eighth grade, probably eighth grade, I found in the typing class that I had that someone had installed Prince of Persia on the computers.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I became a master Prince of Persia.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Made by one dude.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: I could do sword fights in early Prince of Persia like you would not believe.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: They were hard.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: I was so good at it.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I've ever been as good at a video game as I was in Prince of Persia.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: But very quickly and completely off topic, you mentioned Joro being on the podcast.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: And there's something that I want to say, I want to admit and explain to our listeners.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: The episodes that our wives were on, you weren't as bad as I was, but we both did it.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: We both talked so much and talked over them.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just, first of all, I want to apologize for that.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I also want to say why.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Brandon and I have been podcasting for almost 20 years.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: We are so trained to fill dead air that when Dawn would pause to think about something without even realizing I was doing it, I would jump on top and start talking.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's what you do.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime there's a break, or even you look at the other podcasters and you see they're searching for something, you start talking so they get time to search.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: So they get time to search and we've done it with some of the other guests that we have on as well.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: But with Don and Emily is the only time I've felt bad about it.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're not interviewer podcasters, we're entertainer podcasts.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Your mileage may vary.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: But we're not here to inform you.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're here to say stupid things.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we're real good at it.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: And we're real good at that.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then occasionally it might be entertaining.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And when you're the color commentary and not the play-by-play commentary, your job is to jump in.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I went and I listened to the Dawn episode and was like, dang.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it got so bad that I was interrupting her.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when that's when I felt really bad about it.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, that's why.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Do we have more stressing questions?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's probably got 30, and we've gotten through one in our halfway three.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: 12 minutes.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I have learned in this podcast.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Just have just have a few.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: But look, look how many copies of Fire's December exact and pages I've signed.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: This is why we're here.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: The point has been served.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Alrighty.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Should chocolate be considered a vegetable?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um the answer is no, because vegetable oil isn't considered a vegetable, and chocolate is kind of the oil.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, there's the cocoa and stuff like that, but we don't consider peanuts.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, are beans and nuts considered vegetables?
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think beans are, aren't they?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: They're legumes.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: They're legumes.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're the kind of person who's like, tomatoes aren't a vegetable, they're fruit, there's no way you're going to accept a legume as a vegetable either.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Huh.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I think we're pretty agreed on this.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like asking us dumb questions, Donald.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: You can't consider it a vegetable in the same way.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Whoever submitted this question was hoping that we would like go into a huge what is a hot dog conversation like we did before.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: But no, our answer is stop being children.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, we like these questions.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Keep being children.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll try and give you one that I guess isn't childish, Dan.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because I only answer adult mature questions and I answer them maturely.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, of course, the question of would you rather fight a hundred duck-side horses or one horse-sized duck is accurate to what you're looking for.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't we answer this one?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Not to my knowledge.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's the classic.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think I take the horse-sized duck.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Do you?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think I do.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: I take the duck-sized horses.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: The duck-sized horses.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: So horses are actually pretty fragile.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're more fragile than ducks.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I know I could take a hundred ducks.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like a duck is gonna have real trouble doing serious damage to me.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be painful.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: But but you're gonna recover.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna recover, and a horse is just way less scary than a duck.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: I guess a duck the size of a horse, a duck is already kind of dangerous.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Here's my question.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: So much of the visible volume of a duck is feathers.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: The actual duck body is small.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: So is it visually the size of a horse?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: Or is it fully the size of a horse and then has feathers expanding out from there?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good question.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we have kind of horse-sized ducks in emus and things like that.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: They are uh mean.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: They are mean.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: And they're dangerous and they're difficult, right?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh they are dinosaurs, and a horse is a prey species that yeah.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing I am gonna feel bad kicking and stepping on a hundred tiny horses.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: You absolutely would.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas giving my life to kill a giant duck is gonna be a good use of my life.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, because this ducks are good argument, vermin creatures.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: They taste delicious, but they are disgusting.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Are you going into this fight thinking you're not gonna win?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Depends on how big how much time do I have to prepare?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Batman style.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: I knew you were gonna say like an emu is kind of not even a horse size.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Emu's are smaller, but like an ostrich.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Horses are big.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's twice the size.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Horses are enormous.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Also, like is this the size of a riding horse?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Is this the size of a Clydesdale?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: A double-sized the size of Lil Sebastian?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like a double-sized ostrich with a worse attitude.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Seems really dangerous to me.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: And the flight.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: The biggest thing to me is they can fly.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: You just lose at that point.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if they can't fly if they're that big, though.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: You think they just they won't have the square cube law, square cublaw, square cublaw.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Good point.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why the big ones we're talking about don't fly.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: True.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I think I'm still picking the little horses.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be sad.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I still survive to put flowers at your grave.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe this is because ducks have been normalized as kind of stupid little creatures.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I would be more scared to fight a normal-sized Cassawary than a horse-sized duck.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe I'm super wrong about that, but there you go.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Very serious adult question.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Murder is very adult.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: To which I gave a professional answer.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: You did.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: If a bar of soap falls on the floor, is the soap dirty or is the floor clean?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean I feel like this is an eminently answerable question because most of us have dropped a bar of soap on the floor and realized that the floor did not magically become clean because of it.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Did the floor get cleaner?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Cleaner than it was?
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: If it did, it's because all the little crumbs and crap that are on your floor are now stuck to the soap.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: So both are true.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: The soap got dirty and the floor maybe got a little cleaner than it was.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Do fish have necks?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: All of these questions feel really Googleable.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like do fish have necks?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a philosophical question.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: That is a biological question that somebody other than us knows the exact empirical answer to.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: We are authors.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: We get to define things.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: What is a neck?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Does a neck have to be smaller than the head to be a neck?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Smaller than the head?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, like there has to be this shape.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know.
• 22:53
  unknown: Right?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because does a walrus have a neck?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because a walrus is it feels like bigger than the head.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Does a neck require?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Here's I think a neck walrus is just a tube with a face.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think a neck requires to be able to make the head mobile, right?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like to be able to turn independently.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: And a walrus can do that.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: And a fish really can't.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to say no necks on fish.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's what we're going to say.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: What does Google say?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: No fish necks.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Ollie has looked it up for us.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Though I do love fish neck pantyhose.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: No, fish do not have a traditional neck or distinctive neck bones.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: But the non-traditional fish do have necks.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: The counterculture fish.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Good job, Ollie.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Fact checking Donald.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have to promote you to co-host one these days.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Ollie's our new co-host, and we've demoted Donald.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: I feel sad.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Alrighty.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, Ollie didn't bring me a hamburger either.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: So you want a philosophical question.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Here you go.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Should you wet your toothbrush before or after applying the paste?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: Should you?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: This is a philosophical question because what does should mean?
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good question.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Are you disappointing somebody?
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Or are you which way do you do it, Dan?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Toothbrush wet first.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't do that.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: You put the toothpaste on.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Do you then wet it in the sink before putting it in your mouth?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because it feels like it's one step less.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I got the tube, I got the toothbrush.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Let's deal with them and get rid of the tube.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then we'll do the sink portion.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: See, that makes sense to me.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: But also, like, if your goal is to get the bristles wet, that's easier to do without toothpaste it.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was thinking about that as I did it.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: But I've always done it this way, and they get plenty wet.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it obviously isn't an issue.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Well, and that's why we come back to the philosophical issue of what does should mean.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Efficiency-wise, it seems like your way is correct.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, except I think your way, as you described it, maybe takes less time.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's possible.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: You can be wet or you can be fast.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: But you can't.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that the old business saying?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's exactly how that goes.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: You can have it on time or you can have it wet, but you can't have both.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Can't have both.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Not gonna go there.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they teach in business.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Not gonna go there.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Let's let's move on.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Moving on.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Dan, that can go on a quote board.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: We should have a quote board.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: We should have a quote board, yeah.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Not gonna go there.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Just listen to it again if you're confused.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Alrighty.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: Your real philosophical question.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's argued.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Does time really exist?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Does time really exist?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: This is a good question because philosophers have debated this a lot.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is time a human construct?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Is it independent of our observation of it?
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is it actually even a thing?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And the first time I encountered this in like philosophy classes, I'm like, of course time exists.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: This is stupid.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you ask this?
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I read the arguments, which I can't relay to you in a way that's a good thing.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's too bad because I want to hear them, because I have not read these arguments.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do a very bad version of explaining.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: The argument goes that time changes based on our perception of it.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is one of the big arguments.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Meaning like we experience time slower or faster or things like that.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it is a thing that we create, not a thing that exists independently of us because otherwise time couldn't like in our perception slow down, speed up, these sorts of things.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the philosophical arguments.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's a physics argument, too, that I'm really not going to be able to tell you, but it has to do with the idea that you know, gravity is just acceleration, and so does acceleration exist.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Does time actually exist, or is it humans perceiving a certain physics conundrum in a way that we're like, we interpret that as being time, but because we exist in this weird state, it's kind of flatlandish where we see something, we have to describe it away, we describe it as time, but in reality it's not.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's not what we're seeing.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a very poor version of something I'm sure people can link in the comments to us of the good arguments for why time is like a thing that we create for ourselves in order to understand the world, but doesn't exist independently of us.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Can I tell you about one of my favorite science experiments ever?
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Which may or may not relate to this issue.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was a professor, and I don't remember if it was physics or philosophy or even biology, but they were interested in this idea that time slows down when we are in a crisis situation.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: And they wanted to see if that was actually measurable, if that was true, if we could act more efficiently during those slowdown times.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so, of course, what this professor decided to do was get a bunch of grad students and throw them off a ledge.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so he set up a really high uh platform and a trampoline and got a bunch of his grad students to volunteer and he gave them stopwatches, and they were supposed to click it like every two seconds or something like that.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: But what he found was that the rate of clicking did not change as they were falling, they weren't clicking more often or less often.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: So even though they all reported that time seemed to slow down, they still were making the clicks at the same pace.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's first of all very funny.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: But also it is interesting about our perception of time.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there was a good argument that I'm not relaying to you.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I remember one.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: But regardless, I am going to counter those by saying I do think time is real.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Even though I just made the arguments, I read all these things that made me question, but I'm like, time is real.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like time moved when there were no humans on the earth.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, it is a real thing.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Are seconds a real thing?
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, we came up with that as a measurement, but inches aren't a thing other than our definition, right?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: The kilogram is a thing we made up, but time exists.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Time exists apart from our perception of it.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Equally interesting is the question that's been in philosophy recently.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: That again, I'm not going to be able to relay really well.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: But the question is were people before modern times not self-aware?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Were they conscious?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, interesting.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever heard this one?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: I have heard this one, and I think every archaeologist that I've ever read says, of course, they were don't be an idiot.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: But there are other branches of science where they don't necessarily believe that.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: One of the big arguments for this is the way people wrote about themselves and others is different.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: I just think people see things differently.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think, of course, humans have been conscious.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: But and conscious might be the wrong word.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: They've got a word for it, but that one also Sapient.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Sentient.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, archaeologists kind of accept as a founding principle that people have always been as we are now.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Even though they didn't have the knowledge base to draw from, you go back 10,000 years and they were just as smart and just as capable.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: The philosophy doesn't dispute that.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: It disputes the way that the mind sees consciousness and that there's a certain kind of consciousness that we've become aware of when we can read other people's writing that makes us aware of other human beings in a way that we think is common now, but back then was not.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Huh.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: I need to find a good argument.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: It still sounds like aliens built the pyramids, right?
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: These people were not cool enough to be like us, therefore they couldn't have done this thing that we can do.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure that there are good arguments in favor of that, but it feels very reductive.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's not conscious.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a it's a there's a word they're looking for that I am not.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see if I can find it.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not conscious, but it might be conscious.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, while you're looking for that the ability to introspect, when did it begin?
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so anyway, I'm not gonna spend forever.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: But regardless, I ran across that one and I wish I had it.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'll try to find it for a future podcast.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: There was an article that I saw today and didn't have time to read where scientists are studying the introspection of elephants by drawing on them.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: And somehow they can, you know, interact with the elephant in a way, anyway.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't read it.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: But about time, I also think I mean this goes back to the same what does should mean?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: What does time mean?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Time is a thing that we observe and have given a name to.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: So clearly it's real enough for us to observe and name, right?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: Even if it's not what we think it is, it's still there, right?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: So Yeah, I think the argument against it says something along those lines.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: The idea of it's not really there.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, Donald, you'll need to find these two studies for us and bring them because this one we're not equipped to discuss.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: So because we aren't, even though it'll take us a little longer than normal, give us another one because I feel we flubbed that one because we talk too much about things that we don't understand, which is normal for this podcast, but we actually know it this time.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: We admit it to ourselves.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: One last one.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: One last one.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Is the console gaming war a giant marketing scheme made by all the companies?
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, that's a smart one.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's a smart one.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: So if it were, then it couldn't be lost.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: And Sega objectively lost.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh Ergo, it can't just be fake, but there's reasons to think it is.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: For instance, Visa and MasterCard.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Same company.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that either.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: In order to sell, all right.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Let me I'll look it up.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you look it up.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Let's make sure I'm not uh I'm not spouting conspiracy theory.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't be surprised.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: They're not.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: Have they ever been?
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: I will look that up next.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Are they owned by the same parent company?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: Independent operations, from what I'm saying.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Is VCMS card owned?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: Or were owned by the same company.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let me let me see it.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of food companies that have independent operations and are still part of Conagra.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: So Okay.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Now anyway, I am not remembering correctly.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that we double checked that.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: But there are reasons people do create businesses to self-compete.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, gum is the best one for this.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Extra.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: And like, what's the other big one?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Experiment gum?
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: Or they I don't know what modern gum is.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Or they acquire other companies and don't change the name in order to continue having the illusion of competition.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: So we know this happens as not Visa MasterCard.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, I think I looked that up once and found out I was wrong.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: And someone had told me that once.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just one of those things that persists in my brain.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that happens.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, the console war.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was lost.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was lost by Sega.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: But I would say even the consoles that are still in it, it's clearly been won.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: And for several years.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Sony.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Won the console wars.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: And even though other consoles exist, that doesn't mean that they are, you know, even competitors.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: It is kind of a sad state because Xbox is basically thrown in the towel.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Said, all right, yeah.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to put Sony.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can put your things on our console.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to put everything that we put on other.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's the other way around.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to put our things on Sony's console.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we are tired of fighting the console war.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Nintendo continues to be independent and different from Sony, but they kind of just make their own audience.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think they even try to compete.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's like saying, you know, ancient Rome was not at war with ancient China.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: They were just completely different.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Or more that like the truck market and the small car sedan market are in competition.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: You could buy one or the other, but they're really targeting different audiences.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: And even if they are sold across the street from each other, it's not direct competition, I guess, is what I would say.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's indirect competition.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: It would be rare that you would be looking for a compact car to commute in and then decide to buy a lifted truck.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to say no, but I like that question.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's really intriguing.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there you go.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the controversial quote unquote debate topics.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you don't need a quote unquote.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Very controversial.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Very, very well done.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Very controversial.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: We like to dig into politics and controversy on this podcast, which is hard hitting.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Very important and mature.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Indeed.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like Ben.