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Going Camping with Robert Compton · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast after surviving a
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  hellacious Father's Day weekend. My partner and I rhyme Sigler
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  house. What's up, buddy?
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  I'm good man, I'm good man. I heard you were, you were
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  grinding out there over the weekend, whole golf, everything,
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  who with the kids, and I just pull like sitting poolside
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  hanging out having a beer pool with the kids, which was a ton
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  of fun and What did the golf course yesterday?
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  Just hit some balls and has. I'm leaving.
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  My brother all rolls up says, hey, I'm here to Buddy and his
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  pops. You want to join me.
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  The four Why don't you say no to that?
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  They say no to that? Well, that's you, man.
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  It was a pretty was pretty fun weekend.
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  We just kind of we hung around here on on Saturday.
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  And then on Father's Day, actually had a neighbor
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  headache, his daughter's birthday party.
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  So I went over there, there was a ax throwing at the, the kid's
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  birthday party. So I was I was I was doing the
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  axe throwing while the kids were like on the water slides.
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  And then we came back here and had a cookout with some of the
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  parents came over so pretty solid weekend.
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  Awesome, man. Awesome.
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  Well, tonight, folks, we are bringing on a guy that we have
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  mentioned. Numerous times, he is a buddy of
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  ours, going all the way back to Middle School.
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  Legitimately me and Brian with the middle school, high school
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  and college with this guy and he has been in the high school
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  coaching ranks for well over right at 15 years, coached at
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  Halifax County, High School down in South, Boston Virginia our
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  High School alma mater. And then from there, went over
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  to JH Rose High School down in Greenville, North Carolina.
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  Where he produced multiple NFL Talent, multiple Collegiate
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  prospects and also got a inside view to the Camping World.
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  So without further ado, Our buddy, Robbie hambone Compton.
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  Here we go. So I'm fellows.
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  How's it going buddy? What kind of man hanging in
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  there? Didn't have quite the Father's
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  Day weekend experience. You guys had that a little
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  traveling had to get back home. You know, it's trying to trying
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  to get this thing done. One night, earlier late last
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  week but my vocation didn't allow that to happen.
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  So spend a little time in which North Carolina in the mountains
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  and Receptions, not so good. No, it's not so good.
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  That's a good, you know, we try to get it rolling on Thursday
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  didn't quite get it going, but hey, we're here tonight.
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  We're having fun. So that's all that matters.
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  Damn right, well, last week, we got together with Robbie
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  because, you know, we're running through.
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  So that we should talk about giving his getting, getting his
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  Insight lining this up, and it was good.
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  Like we were like, this is going to work.
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  This is awesome. And then, what do you say?
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  Robbie earlier today, I was probably, On the thousand chance
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  they we got to talk the for that.
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  Did you actually have enough signal even in all the stars
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  aligned on Wednesday afternoon when we sat down and had our
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  little little pregame there and then when it was time for prime
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  time and didn't quite happen. Yeah.
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  We got, we got blocked by the great North Wilkesboro Raceway.
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  If I have my way, he's gonna come back.
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  You guys, if you have anything, but do just gonna throw that out
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  there, go check it out, bring back a track with whoops.
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  They didn't even wait, we got to bring that thing back to its
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  prominence. Well, are they getting the
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  Earnhardt? Didn't Earnhardt dumping some
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  money into it. There there there's a bunch of
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  different bunch of different ideas right now of streams of
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  Revenue that they're trying to go in there and bring that Trap
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  Back along with along with a couple other tracks in North
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  Carolina. I don't live in North Carolina
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  right now but I'm a big supporter of those, those old
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  tracks down there and the heart and the origination Stock car
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  racing comes from a lot of those tracks in North Wilkesboro and
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  and Rockingham them. They're going to do some things
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  I think in the future to bring some of that stuff back.
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  But I hope they do because I can remember being kids and I say
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  kids, you know, we were probably, you know, third grade
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  and up those track for fun because when they were at those
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  tracks, it was some bumping and some grinding and some racing
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  and some fist fight after the game after the racism.
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  Parking lots and was thrown in cars, all that fun stuff.
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  People jumping in you know kind of like a typical Saturday night
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  of South Boston Speedway. Oh yeah.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, I'll be there. All the third boys will be there
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  which I was I don't think I'm gonna make it through that one
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  right on again I figured might as well throw it in there.
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  You're not going to find. I'm on a Virginia Tech podcast,
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  you're not going to find a bigger support of Virginia Tech
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  and Jeff Burton. Jab and water are two of the
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  biggest proponents and trying to bring that track back along with
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  Rockingham. So I'll do what I can to help
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  them out. Try to put that word out a
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  little bit. Good stuff.
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  Definitely put the word out there, get the original NASCAR
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  tracks back to maybe bring some people back to the sport of
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  watching it. So yeah.
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  So Robbie obviously we hit you up a couple months ago and
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  started talking to you about camps and obviously June 1, the
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  Dead period finally ended in everything.
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  Be all over this country opened up.
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  Can see not one or two. I think what Virginia Tech has
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  still. Got more going on this week.
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  Oh, absolutely. So many camps.
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  So as we started talking me and Brian kind of we hit up, Robbie
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  one day. We're all like on, you know,
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  Skype and we're chatting. And next thing, you know, like
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  an hour had went by. We're just chatting up the
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  stuff. And it's like, oh, we got an
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  episode. We got an episode.
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  We gotta do this. We gotta bring our boy on.
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  We gotta talk to him about it. So what we're going to start
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  with folks is you see these camps, right?
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  Robbie you. You see guys saying going to the
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  camp, going to the camp. Yep.
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  And then as we started talking to Robbie well how the hell do
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  you? How do you get involved into two
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  camps? The these camps you'll see These
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  camps especially here in the last few years you get Flyers
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  you get you can see driving back the other day from Wilkesboro I
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  noticed on one of the have to digital boards.
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  Now it can image changes, there was one up there, coming outside
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  of Greensboro, I think it was for UNC, of course, it says,
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  Matt Brown is back. Last time I checked Mack Brown,
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  been back three or four years. Graham is back.
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  Check out his football kill back.
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  Yeah, they've got all these dates listed for his camps on
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  the billboard out there. Yeah, I mean so the camps are
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  huge, they're pushing these things and I mean there's so
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  many ways with these camps nowadays, the, the, the big
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  thing Of course as coaches, these colleges and things have
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  these camps. They put these camps on and
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  they'll send mail out flyers and stuff to the coaches.
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  Okay. Especially I know in North
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  Carolina is huge from all the other places.
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  All the other colleges they send out, they have mailers for the
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  different high schools and then send them to the coaches.
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  The coaches can post them in their locker, rooms weight rooms
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  or whatnot, then the kids can see the camps, they're on every
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  one of those mailers that has a thing on there.
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  It says, for prospects, see such and such.com, you know, Virginia
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  Tech or however they wherever their campsite comes zup and the
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  the athletes can go in there and it'll bring up a questionnaire
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  and they can fill out things for the questionnaire to put their
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  information in as a prospect. And once they do that, they'll
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  get they'll get tons of information from those schools.
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  At the prospect they'll get mailers about camps.
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  They'll get Flyers about, you know, it's all its promotional
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  mailings from the college, has a lot of kids.
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  Get that confused with recruiting those things and you
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  know you're going to get the information that they want you
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  to get. It's going to promote them.
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  It's going to look the best they can and a lot of that
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  information comes to those camps.
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  I mean you can put that in there and then it will send you a
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  thing and you can get right to that campsite find it.
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  Sign up. You can pay your dues, they'll
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  link to hotels and stuff in the area and they'll get you hooked
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  right up and right into that camp of ready to go, man. so now
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  but I think you, you ask this the other week about is that the
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  only way No, that's not the only way you have I say, you know, I
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  went to the recruiting part now there's players, typically your
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  bigger schools, your power, five schools, things like that.
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  They're looking for students in there.
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  Looking for those athletes in between their 10th and 11th
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  grade year going into their junior season.
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  Okay. Now when those prospects are
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  there and that 10th and 11th grade season, your toppings,
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  prospects you're hearing about them and and all these
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  recruiting bases and all those things like that, those coaches
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  and those recruiters know who those guys are.
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  And they're talking to those guys and they're telling them,
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  you know, these were the days of our camps and all of these, all
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  of these schools are going to have.
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  If you see the Flyers, you see the stuff, they'll have
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  Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Junior Day cancer Prospect
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  camps. They might have a Saturday
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  afternoon, they might have the seven-on-seven tournament.
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  They may have a teen camp, then they'll have all kinds of
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  cancers, not just the individual camp, but they have all
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  different kinds and they go through things like that and
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  they'll find they'll find those prospects and they'll make sure
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  that those kids get You know, get those Camp dates there and
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  you're going to get those kids of those camps.
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  So, I mean, you you're going to have, you're going to have
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  situations where some of these kids, your top in prospects,
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  they want them there on campus so bad, it's an unofficial
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  visit. They can get them bad without
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  they can waive. The cost of the camp.
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  They give scholarships or, or vouchers for the cost of the
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  camp. If, you know, if the athlete has
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  issues paying for the camp things, like, That but if if
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  they're recruiting that kid and they need their kid to be seen
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  in front of their coaches, that gives going to be at that camp.
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  They're going to get them there while we're on that.
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  I know you kind of talked about you know the different types of
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  camps under Thursday, Friday Saturday and some are on
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  different days. Let's just run through the
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  different types of camps that that you see offered by these
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  universities. Oh yeah, the different kinds of
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  camps. I mean you've got your going to
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  use, you'll see. A stitches.
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  Like I said, individual schools will have their own camps.
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  You'll have safe, Virginia Tech, or you NC NC State.
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  They're going to have a camp and you're going to see it.
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  Nine times out of 10. It's going to be sponsored by
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  their head coach. Yeah, it'll be it'll be Dave
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  during football camps dot llc.com, or, or however it goes.
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  And that nature. I'm not out trying to promote
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  any of them. I don't know.
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  It's lights are but generally they're there ran by a limited
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  liability company from the coaching Point.
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  Not from the University. And I'm sure that holding say a
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  thing behind all of that, I'm not sure how that works.
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  So, that's run essentially, by the coaches, LLC of, they're
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  essentially leasing The Examiner resting spent leasing the
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  facility and things from, from the University.
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  Yep. And the old way they used to do
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  it as they did. A lot of that with so that they
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  could hire coaches and things like that to come in and help
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  with the camps and do some things of that nature.
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  That's how I got involved. With a lot of them, I worked
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  several Camp. I work camps to a dude.
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  You wouldn't see a bunch of NC State.
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  I work some of these. See you I actually did a couple
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  of things that for jigna Tech years ago, but that wouldn't I
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  wouldn't paid for that. I just took a kid there, they
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  found out. I was in the coach so they had
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  me help with a few little things just because they knew I had
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  some it had some experience. But so hold on.
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  Last quick question and this is kind of gonna go back to both
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  pieces. So when you're saying they ran
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  by an LLC or the coaches, LLC your some you're talking about
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  scholarships. So essentially If you have a
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  player right now that they want the kid doesn't have $200 to
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  kid. Can't stay in the hotel room.
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  Essentially they're just saying, hey Robbie, you just get him up
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  here, he will take care of the payment don't worry, they're not
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  gonna, they're not going to provide a place to stay.
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  Okay. Him like that.
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  But, you know, they can, they can get rid of the cost of the
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  camp. Okay.
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  Okay. And I think that's a lot where a
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  lot of the thing comes from being with the coaching stuff
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  and that's just my opinion in my view on it.
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  Yeah, when it comes to dealing with the NCAA, I don't know that
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  you'll ever get a straight answer.
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  Exactly how that runs. But but I mean, I just wanted
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  this one of those fun gray areas at the NCAA, has I think that's
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  a big part of it, but they do. They're going to get this kids,
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  they're those prospects there. They really like they're going
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  to get them there and they're gonna find wait now.
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  Yeah, something something I heard it was mentioned JC price.
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  Who just got hired for Marshall over to Tech obviously Lon Not
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  everything. He mentioned numerous times by,
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  I think me. And you talked about this
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  probably a couple months ago, he was consistently mentioned in
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  date, Justin him to mention to you about.
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  Oh yeah. When Marshall was up here.
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  Yeah. What are those?
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  What are, you know, just just like you have those individual
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  team camps. You'll see especially in those
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  individual camps, you'll get those big Power, five schools.
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  You know, the big names, they'll draw they draw bigger prospects.
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  I mean, that's how it works. Yeah, you know, the bigger.
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  The name to figure the prospects, they'll drop it well
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  and they'll also draw more numbers.
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  So you get a you get a lot of teams that work with guys.
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  I remember work going to several of the Virginia Tech things with
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  couple recruits we had from Halifax every time I went, they
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  are, you could always count on a representative or coach
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  somewhere from JMU being their coach Christ.
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  One of them I think, at the time with J mu that was at several of
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  those. But they, they have, they have
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  schools locally that have ties in to them, whether their
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  coaches played or watch coach. Did that school or coach with
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  that coaching another school, things of that nature.
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  So, we're going to see in is, you know, you've got these
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  top-end prospects, but you've also got some smaller kids, and
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  maybe hadn't been noticed yet, but some of these smaller
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  schools can get in and see it that camp because they're coming
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  to Virginia Tech's camp and may not be coming to JMU.
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  He's Camp. Okay, you may see your school
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  like like Bridgewater or via my Washington and Lee may have
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  somebody in some of those because they're fairly local,
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  they're closer, you know, small division, three schools or
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  something like that. They can pick up prospects that
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  way to by, seeing them at camp and picking things up and that's
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  a lot of does. It does individual team can't.
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  Okay. Now, the biggest Trend now, you
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  get a lot of likes. I'd like camps and these big
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  Mega camps where you might get a group of two or three coaches
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  hosting this huge thing, and it turns into like a regional Camp.
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  So you've got two or three colleges, they're big in North
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  Carolina UNC, Charlotte North Carolina, A&T will hold one, and
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  then they'll have all of the hbcus coming in.
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  You'll have schools like Penn State, Michigan, that come Min
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  and look at things like that, school from far away.
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  And I think what a lot of that is doing is if they're bringing
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  these prospects that are having trouble getting 1,500 miles
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  from, you know, Central North Carolina to Ann Arbor Michigan.
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  Now they can come to these camps because they've been invited to
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  these like camps and they can see prospects in regions that
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  maybe that would take way too much to get them up there
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  outside of their normal footprint.
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  Yeah. There's there's one thing to
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  hold $85 camp and say, hey, I can way that I can take care of
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  $85, we could have been, but you got to get here.
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  It's a lot easier to drive two hours from the coast of North
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  Carolina in the Raleigh, and then get back afterwards, rather
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  than it is, they will waive your your $85 can't fee and Ann Arbor
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  Michigan, but you got to figure out how to get 1,500 miles up
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  here and back. That's a little bit different
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  story. So, that's where those those
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  bigger kids come in, like that. Sure.
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  Did you have those the Nike Elite, the VTO camps and things
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  like that there? Bragging rights measuring stick
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  camps. You know they're going to give
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  you pure numbers. You know you'll have some
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  coaches and stuff there but nine times out of ten, they're held
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  sometime when you're recruiting period is as so-called closed
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  getting 40 times and and and vertical jumps and all those
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  kinds of scores. They're looking at those things
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  and it's a way to kind of compare athletes so that kind of
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  camp. A little bit different, but some
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  of them still some of the things still apply, there is you'll get
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  kids coming in there that are invited.
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  They are and not paying to get into them.
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  A lot of problems. There's gonna be my next
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  question. I was like, how many of with the
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  sponsor Camp? How many of those are like
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  invite only or mostly invite only and how many are are more
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  like those individual camps in terms of if you can pay the
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  money to get there? You can go.
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  Yep. The yarn you can, you can go to
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  any of them when you pay that when you pay that fee to get
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  there, okay? Usually there are no
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  restrictions as they cut off of that age group, usually it's
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  either Rising 9th graders to Rising thin, use, things of that
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  nature, but they don't typically have six and seventh graders,
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  things like that. Now, there are pimps out there
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  that will take the really young kids.
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  I myself have not a huge fan of that, I don't understand why
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  you're going to recruit a kid in sixth grade and that's that's
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  more of a basketball thing. The whole different conversation
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  they'd like to start recruiting early before the kid ever hits a
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  sudden growth spurt. I mean, whatever.
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  But I mean, it lets your a sixth grader that can sling the ball.
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  50 yards. I'm not sure.
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  Oh yeah. But you really going to gain out
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  of that, right? Absolutely.
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  You never know that that that 6:10 ready to swing the ball,
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  50-yard by time. He hits the 10th grade might be
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  270 pounds and might be one hell of a Long Snapper.
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  You never know. But now I'm trying to think
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  Robbie. I go back to a conversation with
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  Kentavious. Treat, one of your players down
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  at Rose. Obviously.
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  Remember the San Francisco 49ers.
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  Gee. He go his Under Armour was that
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  just the game that he go to the camp and the game.
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  He did not. He, he went to, he went to
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  several. He went to a couple of the Nike
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  VTO camps, okay? Going on the armor Camp, okay?
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  Actually, he was invited to the Under Armour All-American Game,
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  remember that? He was also invite.
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  He also went to the u.s. army All-American coming by, and And
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  was the MVP of the u.s. army All-American combine and was
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  invited to the u.s. army All-American game, which is when
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  he played in was he already on the radar of a lot of schools or
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  was when he got to that US Army like combine where it popped
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  where he was getting some Regional attention.
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  I remember we offered him stayed offered him was that where he
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  went from like a regional Prospect I mean chemical.
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  He was 96, he was in the top 100.
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  Yeah, absolutely. He was armed.
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  He was on some Radars early on in his high school career.
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  And I say that because in his ninth grade season, he was in
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  Georgia. Okay, and I played it.
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  He was actually playing it, coffee High School in Georgia.
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  He was, he was playing with another guy that's in, in the
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  NFL. I think he plays for the Chiefs
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  Tyreke Hill. Oh, really.
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  I think they were written in the same High School deal than in
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  the same High School area in court, okay?
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  Yeah, they've got some they've got some pretty good reason to
• 22:55
  talk about prospects there. I would think Especially two of
• 22:59
  them faced off in a Super Bowl. I don't know two years ago, but
• 23:04
  he had some, he had some recruiting ideas when he came to
• 23:08
  us, okay? And the thing was there was
• 23:11
  there was a year in there, a year and a half a year where he
• 23:15
  had moved and people are just kind of wondering where he went
• 23:17
  to because, you know, is trying to find her then all of a sudden
• 23:20
  he started popping up at camps, you know, up and down the East
• 23:24
  Coast where he was popping up and, you know, Georgia, And
• 23:29
  Georgia Tech and and Ole Miss in some areas down there.
• 23:34
  Then he started popping up UNC and sea State Virginia Tech.
• 23:38
  You know, he started popping up in a different area.
• 23:40
  People start to recognize. Is this kid that good, that he
• 23:45
  that he spread that for now, but He he started, he started in a
• 23:52
  different recruiting area, so different coaches started seeing
• 23:55
  it, and then he hit, then he hit that mvp and at that US Army
• 24:01
  game and it really took off. I mean, coaches, the coaches do
• 24:05
  were recruiting him before. Started finding out where it
• 24:07
  was. You felt it coaches in the
• 24:10
  recruitment, being it appeared, so that I mean, that's just,
• 24:13
  that's another one of those camps, you know, he went to
• 24:17
  several other camps, but kept getting them recognized.
• 24:20
  And he kept running up the ladder as a higher Prospect kept
• 24:23
  getting invited to more chance and that's where he ended up.
• 24:26
  I mean I think that year but he graduated he was the number two
• 24:30
  or number three. Defensive end in the country
• 24:32
  behind the Sean hand out of wood bridge in Northern Virginia he
• 24:37
  ended up going to Alabama. Can Kentavious selected go to
• 24:41
  n.c. state with a little bit more of a family atmosphere and
• 24:46
  the thought of playing from the beginning, which he did, he
• 24:48
  started off for years Yes, he did.
• 24:51
  We had a bad. A pretty solid defensive line
• 24:53
  when he was there, too. When he was, he was great.
• 24:55
  He was a standout but they were pretty solid across.
• 24:57
  Yeah, thank you. After he was a member of four
• 24:59
  defensive linemen that were drafted and the first four
• 25:03
  rounds of the 2018 draft. So yeah, it worked out pretty
• 25:07
  well for that group of guys. Yep, and he's still in the
• 25:10
  league. Still under contract with the
• 25:11
  Niners, absolutely waiting for you.
• 25:14
  To fly me out to a game, so we can go to sleep.
• 25:17
  Hey, I'm I was all ready to go to a game.
• 25:19
  Last year. Oh yeah, we all more how that
• 25:22
  happened. I had a cardboard cutout of
• 25:25
  myself to put the stadium out there and make you feel like I
• 25:28
  was there, so Robbie. So let's let's put a little bit.
• 25:35
  So we figured out what what's going on with these camps, are
• 25:39
  about your player, you're a coach, you got some players that
• 25:44
  are signed up for these camps. What do they expect when they
• 25:47
  get there? And when they roll into that
• 25:52
  camp, it's going to it's going to be.
• 25:55
  I opened into some of those individuals.
• 25:57
  Like I said, you're going to you're going to have age limits
• 25:59
  on these camps. A lot of them are going to be
• 26:02
  rising 9th graders to Rising Juniors, okay?
• 26:06
  Those Rising 11th graders. I'm sorry Rising seniors.
• 26:10
  Those rise and 11th graders Rising seniors.
• 26:13
  They're looking to find their place for the four years when
• 26:18
  they when they finish High School.
• 26:20
  Younger guys are trying to are trying to get their named trying
• 26:24
  to get their self seen trying to get their names on the scene and
• 26:29
  and start building that reputation and what you're going
• 26:33
  to get when you get there. All right.
• 26:35
  They're going to come in a lot of the camps that I've been
• 26:38
  around. I've worked they're going to
• 26:40
  roll in and they have some kind of idea of how many they want in
• 26:46
  the group and they're going to come in and they're going to,
• 26:49
  they're going to stir and say they're going to have like an
• 26:52
  hour for registration so you have an hour or time to get
• 26:55
  there when so many kids get their they're going to start
• 26:58
  them stretching and they're going to send them off to the
• 27:00
  side. Then the next group of so many
• 27:02
  is coming in, they're gonna start on the stretching and get
• 27:04
  them going. And when that ours up they're
• 27:07
  going to bring them all together.
• 27:09
  Start splitting them off by position.
• 27:12
  Things of that nature and then they're going to start those
• 27:16
  combine tight workouts. You know, you're going to have a
• 27:21
  lot of them. Have 40s Pro shuttle, vertical
• 27:27
  jump or broad jump. Different schools do different
• 27:30
  ones, vertical jump, broad, jump, you're going to have L
• 27:36
  drills and things of that nature.
• 27:39
  So they're going to, they're going to get those combine
• 27:41
  scores. They're also going to get the
• 27:43
  height and the weight, things like that.
• 27:46
  That those those are the ones that tell it, the Big Bopper
• 27:49
  because college coaches, when they hit that combine, they're
• 27:53
  going to tell the truth Jack. You're gonna, it's gonna be a
• 27:56
  lot of kids disappointed in the first ten.
• 27:58
  Minutes, they get to that camp because their High School coach
• 28:01
  has been telling them that they're 63.
• 28:04
  And that cat 6 1 and a quarter. Well, we won't in high school.
• 28:08
  We will deal the team to think that our skill guys, are bigger
• 28:11
  than they are and we wanted to thank our linemen or smaller
• 28:14
  than they are. So when they walk all Wyman and
• 28:16
  they go well he's only 61 and 260 pounds.
• 28:20
  Yeah that cat 65 290 Pounds. I'm gonna have my hands full.
• 28:28
  Is might be fudging the numbers a little bit to get to get a
• 28:32
  mental Edge, over the world. Yeah.
• 28:37
  Put some put some tube socks on it.
• 28:39
  Put your cleats on stayed in the tippy toes.
• 28:41
  I get a measurement. We're gonna we're gonna we're
• 28:43
  gonna measure. We're going to measure a skill
• 28:45
  guys, we're going to measure. I still guys with cleats on and
• 28:49
  on the tip toes. And you know, if they've got, if
• 28:53
  they've got the faux hawk, we're going to learn.
• 28:56
  We're not pressing the line. I'm going to be barefooted with
• 28:59
  bent knees and slouching. Yeah, we're going to we're going
• 29:04
  your shoulders for a little bit. We don't need an extra half inch
• 29:08
  so that the very beginning of that camp.
• 29:10
  That's why I said it's going to be a little bit out some of
• 29:12
  these kids. When they do some of these
• 29:14
  things, they're going to think they're fast and and all of this
• 29:17
  and they're going to find some kids are truly are fast and it's
• 29:21
  going to be it's going to awaken some of them that hey I might
• 29:24
  not I'm here to get my name put out there.
• 29:27
  I got a lot of work to do before.
• 29:28
  Or I hit that Rising Junior Rising senior year, where people
• 29:32
  are going to be trying to push offers and things of that
• 29:36
  nature. I got a lot of work to do, if
• 29:37
  I'm going to keep up with those guys, but it gives them that
• 29:40
  mental Edge. They get to see those.
• 29:42
  You know what? It's like to be that kind of
• 29:44
  Prospect and that's a big thing, but it, but it's also a place to
• 29:49
  where you see a lot of times with these camps and especially
• 29:53
  this time of year and we watch the rankings.
• 29:55
  I know they're not everything to you, but we're not as in
• 29:58
  control. Connected as you are.
• 29:59
  But you see guys go and fall because you see a guy, they
• 30:02
  expected. Like you said a little earlier.
• 30:04
  Oh, 65 to 80 shit. He's 62.
• 30:07
  And he's 260. Yeah, he's into shorter.
• 30:10
  He 30 pounds. Lighter or 20 pounds, lighter
• 30:13
  his arms aren't as long, and and then we run them through the
• 30:17
  drills. He did good on his drills but
• 30:20
  he's 62 to 65. He was saying stop 280.
• 30:23
  Running up drills. Like that.
• 30:25
  He be skyrocketing. Oh absolutely.
• 30:28
  Let me ask this. You said what they're getting?
• 30:33
  They're getting a lot of good stuff.
• 30:34
  But what aren't they getting that?
• 30:36
  Some of the kids that you've taken that you've had a
• 30:38
  sit-down, have conversations with and say, you're not going
• 30:41
  to get this at these camps that they have to understand.
• 30:45
  They're not when they go to these camps, nine times out of
• 30:48
  ten, they're not getting a. Here's how to play your position
• 30:56
  of football camp. Okay?
• 30:59
  They're looking at You play this position.
• 31:04
  We're going to see how you play it and how well you play it.
• 31:06
  Now, that's not saying that the coaches and the people running
• 31:09
  the camp, while I'm going to give them some tips or some
• 31:11
  things, that'll make them a little better and help them out
• 31:14
  in certain ways. But they're not, you know,
• 31:17
  they're not going to go from the start.
• 31:19
  This is how we do our stance. This is how we do this.
• 31:21
  This is how we do that. Now, they may go over some of
• 31:24
  that so that they can understand what the individual is looking
• 31:28
  at. Okay?
• 31:29
  This is how we this is how we work with.
• 31:31
  Backers of, this is how we work with DB, and this is what we
• 31:35
  look for now not all coaches, look for that.
• 31:37
  And I've heard coaches to, you know, you can you do it your
• 31:40
  way? Because when it comes down to it
• 31:42
  in August September and October you got to do it the way, your
• 31:46
  coach is telling you to do it because if you turn around and
• 31:48
  tell them coach Huxtable was one of the best of them.
• 31:51
  He was linebackers coach at NC State for several years.
• 31:54
  Those trucks will said, I can tell you all.
• 31:56
  I want to hear. He said, but if you go back to
• 31:58
  your coach and tell him to coach Huxtable told you to do it this
• 32:01
  way, I'm going to you lied to get it done.
• 32:11
  He said, because I'm not going to tell you that our way is any
• 32:13
  better than anybody else's, and you just have to do that.
• 32:16
  So if you're going into that camp expecting to learn how to
• 32:20
  play, you know, Virginia Tech's defense, you're probably, you
• 32:25
  probably be better off taking that money and buying, you know,
• 32:28
  Frank Beamer's special teams book.
• 32:31
  Or something like that. But I mean you're not going to
• 32:36
  learn to complete specific social position or anything that
• 32:39
  has cancer. They're going to learn what you
• 32:41
  know about playing the position playing leverage, playing the
• 32:44
  game and how you do it. If you want to play back or
• 32:47
  you're better off by Bud Foster's, coaching Bible than
• 32:50
  you are going to a camp. Absolutely.
• 32:55
  All right, so we're at a good part here.
• 32:57
  We're going to take a brief break and have a message from
• 33:00
  our digital partner. Alright, so we're back guys.
• 33:04
  Now Robbie something. I didn't know this.
• 33:07
  Well, maybe I didn't know this, but I just didn't remember us
• 33:09
  talking about it, but you and obviously, guys, you coach with
• 33:14
  you guys have actually evaluated for schools.
• 33:18
  Correct. Is this something that is pretty
• 33:20
  common among the High School coaches at P5.
• 33:24
  Cams, or is it more relationships building between
• 33:28
  the school and the head coaches of those schools?
• 33:32
  I Think it's, I think it's, I think it's got a lot to do with
• 33:35
  the relationships. You build with what some of the
• 33:37
  coaches and they they learned, they understand the trust and
• 33:42
  and how you're coaching things, and what you're doing.
• 33:45
  And things of that nature, a big part of it anyway, a big part of
• 33:49
  the whole process is that relationship.
• 33:51
  You build with those coaches if they if those coaches are
• 33:56
  evaluating your players and You're telling them, they're
• 34:01
  this and they're that, and then they get to the school or they
• 34:04
  get to these camps and they don't back that up.
• 34:06
  Then there's a question about you know, what your portray into
• 34:10
  them. But when you, when you're
• 34:12
  constantly telling these coaches that are recruiting these kids,
• 34:14
  what kind of kids they are, I tell kids all the time when
• 34:18
  we're doing recruiting stuff, we're talking to the coaches.
• 34:20
  I'm not going to lie to the coach, I'm going to tell them
• 34:22
  the truth. If you're, if you're 100% motor
• 34:25
  kid, but you're not the greatest technical player.
• 34:30
  Or things of that nature. I'm going to let him know that
• 34:33
  if your craptastic individual that doesn't want to listen and
• 34:39
  doesn't want to follow the coaching but a spectacular
• 34:42
  athlete. I'm going to tell the coach that
• 34:44
  because I'm not going to have any, it sounds, it sounds kind
• 34:48
  of personal, but I'm not going to have my reputation ruined by
• 34:51
  sending the kid out there, that I praised and said we're so
• 34:54
  great. And then it turned around and
• 34:56
  not be that player. I mean, we're getting honest
• 34:59
  with them. Are you putting your name on it?
• 35:01
  You going to you going to tell the truth?
• 35:02
  Absolutely. And coaches coaches.
• 35:05
  See those things and they understand that base.
• 35:08
  They start to see that the players you're sending them and
• 35:12
  what their reputation is and how you evaluate things.
• 35:15
  And I mean, I've had some situations where I've had
• 35:18
  coaches that would that allow me to give my input on players and
• 35:24
  things of that nature. Now, by no means.
• 35:26
  Am I doing You know, they're recruiting for them or anything
• 35:30
  like that. But I mean, I've had coaches
• 35:32
  that have allowed me to give my input on what the, what the
• 35:35
  players at those camps, you know, how they performed and
• 35:39
  what they did well and and how they could improve.
• 35:41
  If they would fit into the situation, especially one coach
• 35:45
  in particular that I worked with.
• 35:47
  I knew. And he knew that we worked for
• 35:49
  so long together, that we actually ran a lot of the same
• 35:53
  drills and everything your practices and the he knew he I
• 35:58
  knew that I knew exactly what to look for in these drills and the
• 36:01
  things he was doing. So he felt comfortable with me
• 36:04
  running a drill just like he would, you know, his own GA or
• 36:08
  things of that nature. So, I mean, that that kind of
• 36:10
  worked out and it was it was very useful at the camp.
• 36:16
  So let's talk about the evaluation so we can start.
• 36:21
  This is when looking for something we're gonna start
• 36:23
  with, we're going to start with but with my bread and butter
• 36:26
  offensive line defensive line, well we're when you're
• 36:28
  evaluating those positions at a camp, what type of things are
• 36:34
  you looking for? From the defensive line?
• 36:36
  What type of things are you looking for, from the offensive
• 36:38
  line? All right?
• 36:39
  How long is this podcast? Right?
• 36:41
  Don't matter. What was you wanted to take a
• 36:45
  sip? Take us that if I take this is
• 36:47
  yeah that got a wet. The whistle here to get this one
• 36:50
  going. There we go.
• 36:53
  The camps like we said before you know you got a bunch of
• 36:56
  different kinds of camps. The the big like there's big VTO
• 37:01
  camps and things like that, nine times out of ten, all they're
• 37:04
  going to get out of that. Most of the time is your combine
• 37:08
  stuff. You will get some that they get
• 37:11
  lighter enough that you'll get some one-on-ones with some
• 37:14
  offensive lineman has to be. Bees and receivers and
• 37:17
  linebackers and running backs. Things of that nature but a lot
• 37:22
  of those super camps or the regional camps and stuff you're
• 37:26
  going to have anywhere from 800 to 1,000 kids show up.
• 37:30
  It's hard to get all of those kids in the two-and-a-half hour
• 37:33
  period, through all of that stuff and give any of them a
• 37:35
  chance to do a one-on-one. Yeah we smaller camps in your
• 37:40
  you're more focused sponsor camps I guess you could call
• 37:44
  them. You're going to See, one-on-ones
• 37:46
  and things like that. Now, Like you said it
• 37:50
  bread-and-butter do the o-line d-line.
• 37:53
  I mean, I play do line through school, the vast majority of my
• 37:59
  experience in coaching has been with offensive and defensive
• 38:02
  line. I've coached linebackers dbe's
• 38:07
  receivers tight ends running back.
• 38:09
  I've coached all of those at some point but my biggest
• 38:12
  things, o line of do you I know what you'll notice.
• 38:15
  A lot of these, a lot of these camps when it It's the
• 38:18
  one-on-ones. There's no helmets.
• 38:20
  There's no shoulder pads. Now a lot of the, a lot of these
• 38:23
  camps there are going to where they can use helmets and a lot
• 38:26
  of that is on the new rules with the concussions and things of
• 38:29
  that nature. But a lot of times before there
• 38:32
  were no helmets involved in it. So in that case you get you get
• 38:37
  a lot of pass rusher in a lot of Russian and things of that
• 38:41
  nature and it's going to take part of that.
• 38:45
  I don't want to say part of the evaluation out of it, but it's
• 38:48
  going to take certain parts of things out because these players
• 38:51
  are going to be conscious of where the other player is and
• 38:55
  whether their opponent is and things like that because they're
• 38:59
  not, they don't want to take a chance of getting hurt and we
• 39:01
  understand that. So a lot of the offensive
• 39:03
  linemen defensive lineman, the first thing you look for is is
• 39:07
  there there get off their footwork offensive, linemen and
• 39:12
  defensive line handwork. Things of that nature.
• 39:15
  It's really about that first step.
• 39:19
  You can tell a lot about a pass rusher and an offensive lineman
• 39:23
  by that first step. You know, if that first step for
• 39:27
  the defensive lineman is quick, fasten the ground and he gets
• 39:33
  close as a gap, tremendously between him and the offensive
• 39:36
  linemen right? At the snap of the ball.
• 39:38
  There's no delay. Things of that nature, you know,
• 39:42
  he can probably beat that guy, he can get in if he dies.
• 39:45
  Mrs. Wyman if he can close the gap, he gets an advantage, the
• 39:48
  offensive lineman, if he can get that step back, his feet aren't
• 39:51
  too wide. He's got good balance and he
• 39:54
  keeps that separation. He's got a better chance of
• 39:56
  winning that thing so that first step is huge and then after that
• 40:00
  first step you're looking a lot at where those hands have being
• 40:03
  placed. If they offensive lineman's
• 40:05
  hands are close together. He's got good extension, good
• 40:08
  separation and keep a defensive lineman away from him.
• 40:12
  I mean, he's got a good chance to keep making steps.
• 40:15
  And keeping that separation that defensive.
• 40:17
  Lineman can close that separation.
• 40:19
  Get his hands on the linemen on the offensive line where he can
• 40:22
  move him and control the situation.
• 40:24
  He's got a good chance of winning that and for us a lot of
• 40:27
  it ends there. Okay.
• 40:30
  Some of the kids you'll see a lot of those one-on-one.
• 40:33
  You know you evaluate you've evaluated the first step and all
• 40:36
  of this the offensive linemen clearly wanted but the defensive
• 40:39
  lineman still gets to the bag. Or the barrel or whatever.
• 40:43
  This is Lady quarterback. Okay, good job, kid.
• 40:46
  Let's see what he does and he continued to push hard and fast
• 40:49
  through all of that. Got to the Barrel Spring, it all
• 40:52
  the way back to your spot. Okay, he's a hard-working kid.
• 40:55
  He's tremendous now granted, it took him four and a half seconds
• 40:58
  to get to the barrel. The offensive line.
• 41:00
  Probably beat it. Yeah.
• 41:03
  Four and a half seconds of the quarterback, hadn't got the ball
• 41:05
  out and he's knocking at barrel down, then he's probably done
• 41:17
  some really good things there so you just have to evaluate that.
• 41:20
  Now, would you in the opposite situation is what you're looking
• 41:24
  for, the fat kid, you know, three and a half seconds out.
• 41:27
  He offensive lineman's got separation and he just kind of
• 41:30
  gives it up gets pushed around or pancakes.
• 41:33
  And the offensive lineman's laying on top of it, then you're
• 41:35
  going to start kind of questioning, you know, is that
• 41:37
  kid got to work ethic to continue to fight just in case
• 41:41
  the quarterback is holding the ball that long.
• 41:43
  Yeah. So the evaluation kind of goes
• 41:46
  that way with those guys so you're looking for a lot of the
• 41:50
  initial stuff and then you're looking for a kind of effort.
• 41:53
  Absolutely that. After that point now I mean when
• 41:56
  it when it comes to a full pads and things like that, things can
• 41:59
  change in a split second you know, you could have a great
• 42:02
  first Up that offensive lineman could have a an amazing
• 42:06
  upper-body strength to just even though he's creepy, you've
• 42:09
  closed that separation, he can latch on and extend it out and
• 42:14
  take that something take the separation back.
• 42:17
  I mean there's things like that, but you're not going to see a
• 42:19
  lot of that in the into 10 ones without pads, and things of that
• 42:24
  nature. And then here in the last year,
• 42:26
  of course, well, they didn't have camps then, but they got to
• 42:30
  a because the covid, but they got to a point.
• 42:32
  Point at one time where a lot of folks they had to have pads in
• 42:35
  between them, more of the safety issues, things and stuff like
• 42:39
  that, and it's really hard to evaluate the continuance of a
• 42:42
  lot of that stuff for this pads too.
• 42:48
  You ever see like, for example, you mentioned in the offensive
• 42:51
  line and I know I've seen videos where the offensive linemen
• 42:57
  celebrating because he's throwing the guy.
• 42:59
  Yeah, great. You look where he threw the guy.
• 43:03
  Well, you just killed your quarterback and his ACL is done
• 43:06
  and you have no team. So does it does it as a coach
• 43:10
  when you see especially offensive defensive line drills
• 43:12
  because they are so focused. Do you ever is it ever
• 43:17
  something, the coaches, the P5, the head coaches, or the
• 43:20
  positional coaches who are working on you?
• 43:22
  Looking at, like this guy thought he won that said, he's
• 43:25
  celebrating pimp walk and act like he's the shit and that
• 43:30
  coaches said over here like son. No you don't you don't need to
• 43:35
  do that. Is that a gun?
• 43:36
  You just got ten yards and he killed your quarterback.
• 43:38
  Absolutely. Now are you just like we said
• 43:41
  with the with the defensive lineman, you know, as he did all
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  that that and he got slapped around for four and a half
• 43:46
  seconds. Then the offensive line was kind
• 43:48
  of like, all right, I've whipped him enough, he spends back runs
• 43:52
  off and blast the barrel. Now he thinks he's awesome.
• 43:55
  Well, five seconds ago you would have been off but poor and a
• 43:58
  half seconds to get there. Didn't do you much good?
• 44:00
  Do that often climb in the first step?
• 44:02
  He lost his constituency lost a separation.
• 44:05
  He took bad steps. His feet were real wide.
• 44:08
  The only choice he had was to grab a whole and, you know, Sumo
• 44:12
  into the ground, okay? Well, the more than likely we're
• 44:19
  going to see if he's going to get to a side with both hands
• 44:21
  out and he thinks okay to, he never got to the quarterback.
• 44:26
  I took him out or he comes down hard inside and he defensive
• 44:31
  lineman is laid out so far and he just slammed them down.
• 44:35
  He slammed him right through the quarterbacks knees, you know, he
• 44:39
  thinks he's done something, but the coaches going.
• 44:41
  Well, if you'd have taken your step and get to put your hand,
• 44:44
  Placement, right? And done all that.
• 44:46
  The start with even never beat you there anyway.
• 44:49
  But it's all on, it's all sometimes that will show you how
• 44:52
  the kids is is unfortunately show you how to kid is coached
• 44:57
  if they think that's doing what they need to be doing.
• 45:00
  Yeah and I mean it's definitely an evaluation tool if you think
• 45:04
  you're winning a rep doing that? The yeah the coaching definitely
• 45:08
  there or you sure you're not you're not absorbing it and I'm
• 45:14
  guessing that goes into things. All right, so let's jump off.
• 45:16
  Y'all bread and butter we talked about it for about 10 minutes.
• 45:20
  And let's move on to the next one.
• 45:22
  Now, offensive defensive line is we you get someone directly in
• 45:25
  front of you things to look for. Oh yeah, we talked about was
• 45:29
  running back in linebackers, Robbie when, when these coaches
• 45:32
  are looking at running back, what are they specifically
• 45:35
  looking for in camps? Because again, like you
• 45:39
  mentioned already they're not in pads and helmets, they can't do
• 45:42
  everything, but what specific variable for running backs?
• 45:45
  Well, one thing you'll see a lot in camps, and we We kind of
• 45:50
  touched at it earlier is when they go in they're going to
• 45:53
  separate them by position and you're going to go off with your
• 46:00
  offensive line group, you're going to go off with your
• 46:02
  defensive line group. You're going to go off with you,
• 46:04
  running back groups, your linebacker groups, each player,
• 46:08
  a come into this thing more than likely, it's going to have a
• 46:11
  position that they're working. Most of these guys that they
• 46:15
  come in. And they're going to work two
• 46:17
  positions. It's going to be it's going to
• 46:20
  be notified early that they're working, two positions, okay?
• 46:23
  And a lot of times, a lot of times, the two positions are
• 46:27
  going to be on the same side of the ball.
• 46:29
  So you may have one kid that that's working linebacker and
• 46:32
  strong safety. Very seldom.
• 46:35
  Do you see a kid that's going to come in to a camp and work
• 46:38
  linebacker and running back or something of that?
• 46:43
  You may you may catch a linebacker then it's going to do
• 46:46
  something. After the camp as a Long
• 46:48
  Snapper, or special teams guy, something like that, but you're
• 46:52
  not. It's hard to go in and do the
• 46:55
  drills on both sides like that. So we may get a kid that does
• 47:00
  linebacker and strong safety because at his high school, he
• 47:03
  may be you know, weak side linebacker.
• 47:07
  That's actually play in the strong safety position that it
• 47:11
  was. It's kind of weird in those
• 47:13
  situations, but they split them up like that.
• 47:16
  And you're going to do drills and things specific to that
• 47:20
  position. So you're going to see in those
• 47:23
  drills by position. What those kids do with those
• 47:28
  athletes to do in, run situations, or read situations,
• 47:35
  all of those type things. When you get to these one-on-one
• 47:39
  95% of the time, it's a passing situation.
• 47:46
  So that makes when you when you start talking about running
• 47:49
  backs and linebackers, that makes things a lot different in
• 47:53
  the evaluation process simply because well as a running back
• 48:00
  You're going to have play-action, and then sometimes
• 48:02
  you're going to have free release.
• 48:04
  Tight wraps. Yeah, when you're in, that
• 48:07
  one-on-one situation, you're still going to see some play
• 48:10
  action to Route. So you still see some free
• 48:13
  release routes, things like that.
• 48:15
  But you're not going to see that running back in a one-on-one
• 48:18
  situation step up in the in the play action and then walk chip
• 48:24
  the the Russian egg. Yeah.
• 48:26
  You know you're not going to do that in one on ones, you're
• 48:28
  going to him fake that and then run his choice.
• 48:31
  Route, over the middle against the linebacker.
• 48:34
  You're going to see him run their free release bubble or
• 48:37
  swing out of the back field or the wheel route, which is who
• 48:44
  will write. I have nightmares about will
• 48:46
  route, I love will routes. I do too.
• 48:48
  As you know, if I want to call an offense in the guy out there,
• 48:53
  I do. But you know, there's only so
• 48:55
  many times you can, you could tell a linebacker.
• 49:00
  Only so many times you can tell him in a day to watch the wheel
• 49:04
  route before, maybe he might watch it before the game
• 49:14
  tonight. Probably not.
• 49:18
  We got to let one get by at least.
• 49:21
  Oh yeah, we just have to hope did the running back.
• 49:25
  Does not catch very well. There we go.
• 49:28
  But unfortunately. Most of the time is running
• 49:31
  back. Doesn't catch very well.
• 49:32
  Where's the crawler going to be y back again?
• 49:38
  I get I guess I trap right? He's still getting good
• 49:42
  information man, that's all that matters.
• 49:45
  The one-on-ones with running backs and linebackers are going
• 49:47
  to be past situations. So me being a defensive
• 49:51
  coordinator for the last several years.
• 49:55
  I hated the parts of some of those 10 ones because my
• 49:59
  linebackers are going to, they know, right off the bat, I'm in
• 50:04
  a one-on-one situation in the past situation.
• 50:07
  So I have to make sure that they're still taking their
• 50:12
  proper what I call foot fire. Still taking proper steps where
• 50:15
  they're initially reading? Yep.
• 50:18
  Okay, that part is going to be evaluated, you're going to see
• 50:21
  coaches looking at that. And there they want to know.
• 50:24
  Because that kid is that kid going to be reading on the play.
• 50:27
  Even if he knows his third and 17 and The Scouting Report says
• 50:32
  they throw 97 percent of the time on Third and anything, 7
• 50:37
  plus the he's going to pass you steal, better be foot fire and
• 50:42
  ready to read because they might run a draw for 18 yards or
• 50:45
  third, but he better be ready for that hokey quarterback power
• 50:48
  on Third and 17. So I mean, you've got to be
• 50:52
  ready for it because yes, it's 97 percent of the time because
• 50:56
  three percent of the time that they're not in those
• 50:59
  one-on-ones, you're going to get, you're going to get
• 51:01
  especially younger kids. They're not making that good
• 51:05
  fire step. They're not making that read
• 51:06
  step, they immediately eyes go to the running back, there
• 51:09
  running, downhill cords running back, which they Juiced in a
• 51:13
  heartbeat, and it's bad news that, but that's where that
• 51:17
  evaluation comes in. You know, we kept running back,
• 51:20
  going out. You're looking for, you're
• 51:22
  looking for his route is he is he going to deepen the bubble?
• 51:27
  Is he running to Flat? Is he gaining ground before he
• 51:29
  supposed to? When he's running this Choice,
• 51:32
  route, or things of that nature, as a running back going in and
• 51:36
  forcing the linebacker to make a decision, which way to go.
• 51:39
  So he can break his choice. Route to create separation.
• 51:43
  The same thing with the linebacker is he closing ground
• 51:46
  too early and taking the field advantage away from itself these
• 51:52
  leverage. Yeah yeah he watching the
• 51:54
  running back and not paying attention to anything.
• 51:56
  Nothing else because a lot of times as we know football you
• 52:02
  know the quarterback might be reading that linebacker.
• 52:04
  If he puts his eyes directly on the running back and takes off
• 52:07
  in in there and he's got a bead on that running back and not
• 52:10
  making his reads and keys that inside receiver might be coming
• 52:14
  in and setting up where he left. You know, you may be getting a
• 52:18
  slant or a or Shoot. I can't even tell you the name
• 52:25
  of it right now too. Late at night.
• 52:28
  I'm lost working on my on my Master's, for my special
• 52:33
  education degree and it's got my mind blown right now, I'm losing
• 52:36
  work. They're running hooks, or come
• 52:41
  back and things and they're sitting down with a linebacker
• 52:43
  left. It shows that they're not making
• 52:46
  their reads, you know, because he's taken off out there to the
• 52:49
  back because it's the only thing in that drill.
• 52:52
  That's Yeah, but you have to show that you're still making
• 52:55
  your, your angle, your 45 degree angle or whatever, you're
• 52:59
  covering your Zone, if that's what the coverage is, or you're
• 53:02
  playing your main underwear. It is more like a dig.
• 53:05
  If you try to find the wide receiver, tries to find the soft
• 53:08
  spot there. Absolutely.
• 53:10
  So nice, big piece, when doing especially on run back,
• 53:13
  linebacker drill, especially for the linebacker is He's having
• 53:18
  the mentality of. I don't give a damn, you know
• 53:21
  what the running play? We thing you normally do because
• 53:25
  the guy looking at you over there, that's what he wants to
• 53:28
  see if you're doing all this stuff.
• 53:30
  He starts saying, okay, this kid's got a head on his
• 53:33
  shoulders, his kids listening, this kids understanding how to
• 53:35
  be coached by his high school coach to say.
• 53:38
  Okay, I've got to do my read. I've got to step by step into
• 53:40
  the Gap. Do I step out and be like, what
• 53:43
  are the, where do I go now? From the running back side,
• 53:48
  You've mentioned route, obviously.
• 53:49
  They're looking at hands, but I'm assuming as much as
• 53:53
  leverage, it is for the linebacker.
• 53:55
  It's the running back when they get that ball, one-on-one
• 53:58
  understanding The Leverage. Against the linebacker.
• 54:02
  I absolutely like again I'm assuming it's more heading
• 54:06
  things you're sitting here with it.
• 54:07
  All right? There's no one blocking out
• 54:09
  there. You're going to run that way.
• 54:12
  I'm sure there are times where you probably sit there and say,
• 54:15
  well, of course there's no one blocking out there.
• 54:17
  You got an angle on him, you're going to get 15 yards.
• 54:20
  Yeah, that's not going to happen every time.
• 54:23
  No, because you've got a shitty wide receiver who don't know how
• 54:26
  to block in the quart bags coming in.
• 54:28
  You can't give it that way. Every decided it would be easier
• 54:31
  if he didn't block, you know. Yeah, I just I just whipped a
• 54:37
  decent linebacker because I created good separation and I
• 54:40
  can angle away from him. You dip?
• 54:42
  There's Kam Chancellor. Standing back and safety
• 54:44
  decisions. You're not getting any further
• 54:46
  than this. I mean that's yeah, that's a big
• 54:49
  in the boom. And the legion will be there to
• 54:53
  help you simple. But I mean is that running back
• 55:00
  there looking at you know yes he charges that backer and he
• 55:04
  pressed a certain way and got a release so he got the linebacker
• 55:07
  to play. His is outside half.
• 55:09
  He turned to the inside, over the middle of the field, catches
• 55:12
  the ball. How is he?
• 55:14
  We know what is he doing? Where is he catching?
• 55:15
  The ball? Is he catching it with his
• 55:17
  hands, he catching it. You know underneath into his
• 55:20
  chest is he protecting the ball? Things of that nature, how he's
• 55:24
  tucking the ball away, is he turning up field and go is he
• 55:27
  making an angle, you know, different things like that
• 55:30
  they're looking forward to figure out, you know, in the
• 55:34
  thing use Like sometimes they'll tell they'll tell you
• 55:38
  beforehand, okay? You've got a single high safety
• 55:41
  over the top that you know if you turn straight up a middle of
• 55:45
  the field, he's going to be in your mouth, he's gonna knock you
• 55:47
  out. So you better take the angle
• 55:49
  towards the side, where the corner got cleared or something
• 55:52
  of that nature. Just like the thing, you know
• 55:54
  they're one-on-ones but did we ever?
• 55:57
  You know, they look at that Library.
• 55:59
  Do we ever tell you? It was man coverage.
• 56:02
  No youyou went off blazing to the running back, you know, yeah
• 56:08
  you had him covered but the hook in the middle called the ball,
• 56:12
  they caught the seam over the top because you didn't have a
• 56:15
  own people, is you to play this. I'm going to come down to where
• 56:18
  I thought it was man to man. Well you should be, you should
• 56:21
  be finding out what the four years before he and coaches will
• 56:25
  do things like that to get that evaluation because a lot of
• 56:28
  times you'll get, will you playing man-to-man?
• 56:31
  Yes, sir. I was Did we tell you, who's man
• 56:34
  know what should you have done? I should have dropped into my
• 56:36
  zone. Kept my eyes on the running back
• 56:39
  and look for the inside receiver coming into my zone, okay, they
• 56:43
  just did a self evaluation right there.
• 56:44
  The kid knows what to do, but thinking that it was one-on-one,
• 56:48
  he did what he had to. And now, all of a sudden, I've
• 56:52
  got the evaluation of what he's going to do in one-on-one
• 56:55
  situation and what he's going to do on the other one.
• 56:58
  So, I mean, they're giving the coaches, the information there,
• 57:01
  and he coached arson. See their process of how they're
• 57:03
  thinking and it really goes a long way into evaluating those
• 57:07
  things. This thing they need to run it
• 57:09
  back. I mean he's coming out and you
• 57:11
  know it, what did we tell you today?
• 57:15
  God is always going to be one on one and he didn't he didn't come
• 57:18
  down at you then, what should you have done?
• 57:21
  You should have turned it into a wheel and went on up field.
• 57:24
  Well, you should have stopped at a certain spot and waiting for
• 57:26
  the screen to come back in, you know, however, they suggest that
• 57:31
  you run, that particular route. Yeah, so I would like a swing it
• 57:35
  like knowing where the blocks are in the alley.
• 57:37
  Absolutely. So goes on and they can just ask
• 57:43
  a simple question and it gives them a lot of it.
• 57:45
  So again, a lot of the stuff for especially running next
• 57:49
  linebackers because you don't have there's a lot more going on
• 57:52
  than just. You got to go beat that guy.
• 57:55
  Like that's a lot. It's more of.
• 57:58
  They get to see the process and they get to see the mental
• 58:00
  aptitude of these kids, where, you know, can you catch a ball?
• 58:05
  Great? Did you catch it?
• 58:06
  Did you tuck it, right? And then did you know, Where to
• 58:09
  go appropriately. When we'll play, we call?
• 58:11
  What Play We called on defense for you to see.
• 58:13
  Yep. Now What what's next for on?
• 58:18
  All right up. Next we're going to do a little
• 58:20
  wide receiver in DB, let's have a little fun with this one.
• 58:23
  Now wide receivers and DVDs are I got a question?
• 58:27
  A question? Yeah, man.
• 58:28
  Is this the biggest shit talking.
• 58:29
  Groups of all of them. Yes.
• 58:34
  Without a doubt. Just need a confirmation.
• 58:38
  Yeah. Not even close.
• 58:40
  Yes, look at me. And I don't know if some of my
• 58:43
  guys that I've coached over the years, Sing the see this thing
• 58:47
  which I hope they do. I hope y'all get 10,000 views on
• 58:50
  this thing. I don't know that I'm doing, I
• 58:53
  don't know that you haven't me as a guest.
• 58:55
  He is going to draw quite numbers of Daryl Captain.
• 58:59
  You never know solo. Not that cool.
• 59:03
  Obviously that I've fooled enough to think they know that.
• 59:06
  I know what I'm talking about Darryl Tapp does know what he's
• 59:10
  talking about. So, you know, they would you
• 59:14
  wide receivers in your DVDs. Nine times out of ten are going
• 59:17
  to be the yeah, they're going to talk to trash.
• 59:19
  Now that that's where it's going to be if you want to go to a
• 59:22
  camp and you want to see the talking back and forth in the
• 59:26
  competition and then somebody backing it up and somebody
• 59:29
  getting say pump down and things like that.
• 59:33
  Go to the wide receiver, DB competitions and just watch it
• 59:36
  because it is what it is. And but along with that, you're
• 59:43
  going to go in there and you're going to insult.
• 59:45
  Cases, you're going to see a lot more of the mental aspects to
• 59:49
  the things and those one-on-ones at that wide receiver and DVDs.
• 59:54
  If you catch the right wide receivers and DPS.
• 59:57
  All right, so I'm gonna start with the White House, okay?
• 1:00:04
  Okay. A lot of your chest games going
• 1:00:07
  to happen there because we're going to see is they're going
• 1:00:09
  to? They're going to start seeing
• 1:00:12
  that, you know what each other do we In different situations
• 1:00:16
  how each other play and they're going to try to take advantage
• 1:00:20
  of certain things that each of them do and things of that
• 1:00:23
  nature. Now wide receiver the first
• 1:00:24
  thing they're going to do is they're going to walk out there
• 1:00:27
  as us. Coaches is evaluating these wide
• 1:00:30
  receivers we're looking. Probably for three things.
• 1:00:35
  All right, okay, we're probably looking at their initial
• 1:00:40
  footwork. Okay.
• 1:00:42
  At the snap of the ball of their feet, staying in place, and
• 1:00:45
  dancing and doing all this unnecessary movement.
• 1:00:50
  I mean we've seen we've seen else a different levels that
• 1:00:55
  they run ten yards, they never left the line.
• 1:01:02
  Then after that, is their release.
• 1:01:05
  And then their route Okay. So that footwork now I'm not
• 1:01:11
  saying you can't take a step or two to get them to do because
• 1:01:15
  that's what that could be part of your release.
• 1:01:17
  Yeah. Got initial step wide to the to
• 1:01:20
  the boundary initial step wide to the field to get that D.
• 1:01:25
  Be to try to turn the shoulders right then?
• 1:01:27
  Yeah. But that release.
• 1:01:30
  If it's a man coverage is you trying to to get him to
• 1:01:36
  overextend and Punch early. So you can get his hands down
• 1:01:40
  and get the advantage over it. If they're playing softer or if
• 1:01:44
  they're playing zone. So that you what you're doing
• 1:01:47
  with the release is your press on a certain area, you may be
• 1:01:50
  pressing his outside shoulder to get him to flip his hips,
• 1:01:54
  towards the sideline and then you can cut underneath him to
• 1:01:56
  make him go all the way around. Get what I'm saying?
• 1:02:00
  Yep. Okay.
• 1:02:01
  You may press his inside shoulder to get him to open
• 1:02:03
  inside and then you cut behind them and streak up the sideline
• 1:02:07
  vertically. You know all of those are the
• 1:02:09
  releases and things like that. So you're looking immediate and
• 1:02:13
  those wide receivers are going to look at those DVDs and go.
• 1:02:16
  He really likes to flip his hips quick because he knows, I'm
• 1:02:22
  Excuse me, bless you, we can't do that in post production, you
• 1:02:27
  know, that's awesome because he knows that, you know, he he
• 1:02:33
  knows I'm faster than him vertical so he's gonna flip quit
• 1:02:36
  things of that nature. Yeah.
• 1:02:38
  So those bit, those are big things in those releases and
• 1:02:41
  stuff like that. And then the next thing that you
• 1:02:44
  want to look at with that weird eye receiver is their route.
• 1:02:47
  You know if that care if he's supposed to be if he's get off
• 1:02:50
  coverage and he's supposed to be running a slant, is he running
• 1:02:54
  up sticking his foot in the ground and taking the slant
• 1:02:57
  right now, from 5 yards to six and a half yards or if he kind
• 1:03:04
  of rounding it off at 5 and making it to about, Tate is he
• 1:03:08
  really running a post instead of a sling, it's all about the
• 1:03:13
  depth of things because if you're running against a typical
• 1:03:19
  typical one high safety look, you know, and we want you to run
• 1:03:22
  a slant because we ran the bubble with the back behind you.
• 1:03:26
  The linebacker is dropping 45 from four and a half or five
• 1:03:30
  yards to about seven or eight. Okay, if you run that slant from
• 1:03:37
  five to six and a half, you're going to stay underneath that
• 1:03:40
  linebacker which gives you an advantage if you run it too far
• 1:03:43
  high that linebacker can cut you off.
• 1:03:47
  Okay. Well regardless of the
• 1:03:50
  linebacker, if you cut that thing and you get to that six
• 1:03:52
  and a half and then you build to the seven, you're above the
• 1:03:56
  middle linebacker by about two yards and still under the
• 1:04:00
  safety. If you cheated it too much, and
• 1:04:03
  you got to that eight, eight and a half yards, you may be running
• 1:04:07
  it at free safety, this not dropping so hard because they're
• 1:04:09
  out there. Sure.
• 1:04:10
  So it's all about how they're running that route and where
• 1:04:13
  that space and comes in because I mean a matter of three or four
• 1:04:17
  inches can, can mean you catch any ball or the defender
• 1:04:20
  catching the ball. Yep.
• 1:04:22
  So those routes have to be crispy things.
• 1:04:25
  So things like that. We let me ask you this, do you
• 1:04:29
  care so much with the wide receiver when you're evaluating
• 1:04:31
  Awaiting them, the catch itself, I do not why, and I don't get a
• 1:04:38
  lot of chance to evaluate receivers and a lot of these
• 1:04:41
  camps. Um, but I don't take a lot on
• 1:04:45
  that simply because 9 times out of 10.
• 1:04:48
  These kids are at camp. And there, you know, this kid is
• 1:04:52
  from Rose High School in. The next kid is from, you know,
• 1:04:57
  Cape Fear, High School in the next kid is from Havelock, high
• 1:05:00
  school and the quarterback is from, you know, Meadowbrook in
• 1:05:06
  Richmond. Yeah.
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  Well, he's never played with these three kids, he does the
• 1:05:12
  timings different. This quarterback may be
• 1:05:15
  left-handed compared to all three of those receivers
• 1:05:17
  quarterbacks of right-handed, different spin.
• 1:05:19
  Yeah, that kid can go out and get 10 passes thrown to him and
• 1:05:25
  he catch 2 out of the 10 and I can still evaluate him as an
• 1:05:29
  exceptional receiver, because I seen on tape that this kid
• 1:05:33
  catches 85 or Senator ball, is thrown cool.
• 1:05:37
  But a different quarterbacks. Go, make a different You know
• 1:05:40
  different altogether in his evaluation just because the ball
• 1:05:44
  may be throwing different. Now granted they're going to
• 1:05:47
  have to get used to a different quarterback sooner or later.
• 1:05:49
  Yeah. But there's going to be a lot of
• 1:05:52
  reps to get through that. Yeah, it did he may take 10 reps
• 1:05:56
  at this Camp as a receiver and Macey five different
• 1:05:59
  quarterbacks. So the fact that that the
• 1:06:03
  reception or the bones being caught or things like that, and
• 1:06:06
  that thing is not the biggest part of my evaluation by any
• 1:06:10
  means my evaluation looking at his footwork, is hands.
• 1:06:13
  Now when he does catch it, what does he do with the ball as he
• 1:06:16
  running down the field, like Primetime Deion Sanders with a
• 1:06:19
  doubt in his hand like this and high-stepping or is he got it
• 1:06:22
  tucked away to make sure that the safety is not going to knock
• 1:06:24
  it out of his hands or it's not going to get stripped out you
• 1:06:27
  know like my man for the Buffalo Bills years.
• 1:06:31
  To go by. What's his name in the Super
• 1:06:35
  Bowl Leon Reynolds? Yeah, I'll let ya is he putting
• 1:06:44
  it away? Is he doing what he's supposed
• 1:06:45
  to do with it? Is he giving a good first effort
• 1:06:47
  afterwards when he catches it. Yes, you can evaluate those
• 1:06:50
  things but I mean if he doesn't catch a ball I'm not killing
• 1:06:55
  them on that. You held the ball might have
• 1:06:56
  been six feet over his head because that quarterbacks used
• 1:07:00
  to throw into a six four wide receivers and just Kiddin sick.
• 1:07:03
  Or like we told him he was he's only six one part of the
• 1:07:09
  evaluation is not huge to me, would you?
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  I'm sure when we get to the next part of this thing where we talk
• 1:07:18
  about the quarterbacks, I'll have a little more to say about
• 1:07:20
  that as well. The let's go to 2nd half and
• 1:07:27
  obviously you know so y'all know if you wondered where this man's
• 1:07:32
  credentials are, Our Robbie coach Cornell Powell who was
• 1:07:36
  done at Clemson. So before we jump to DVDs on ask
• 1:07:39
  one question, you take Cornell to his first camp like this.
• 1:07:43
  What was his first thought because Cornell again got highly
• 1:07:46
  rated goes to Clemson wins. A national title gets.
• 1:07:49
  Drafted essentially to the best offense in the NFL where he
• 1:07:53
  probably going to be exceptionally well with cheap.
• 1:07:56
  But what was his? What was his mentality going in
• 1:07:59
  there? The first time compared to when
• 1:08:02
  you guys were going to those Junior days when he was on
• 1:08:05
  everybody's radar Cornell. just, Look, I love to kid to death and
• 1:08:16
  and whatever you do, you're a draft party had this.
• 1:08:22
  He had this or about himself and it was well deserved because he
• 1:08:27
  was nine times out of ten when he stepped on the field, it
• 1:08:31
  didn't matter who else on the field he was best athlete out
• 1:08:33
  there. Plain and simple.
• 1:08:36
  And Cornell probably a little different than, you know, it's
• 1:08:41
  hard to compare him to contagious because contagious
• 1:08:44
  was a defensive lineman and things like that.
• 1:08:48
  But when it comes to the situation and the camps and
• 1:08:51
  things of that nature, it was a much different story with
• 1:08:53
  Cornell and it was contagious. We got Kentavious in there.
• 1:08:56
  We started getting him to camps and it was kind of reintroducing
• 1:09:00
  him. Yep.
• 1:09:01
  He's, we're just finally finding out about it.
• 1:09:04
  Okay, when we got caught, Janelle to those camps between
• 1:09:08
  his his sophomore and junior year.
• 1:09:10
  So the junior camps where he's really being recruited,
• 1:09:13
  everybody knew who he was, the reason they knew who it was is
• 1:09:18
  because he was showing up showing out and showing off
• 1:09:21
  every game that they came to watch contagious.
• 1:09:25
  They knew who Cornell power was then, got you?
• 1:09:29
  I mean that that kind of helped boost some things Cornell will I
• 1:09:33
  if I remember correctly Cornell got his very first offer from
• 1:09:37
  Ole Miss. on the night of the third round.
• 1:09:47
  So the day after Thanksgiving, the third round playoff game
• 1:09:51
  against our biggest rival. DH Conley in 2013.
• 1:09:55
  Well the week before that we had played at Cape Fear.
• 1:10:05
  And Cornell, there was a, the defensive coordinator for LSU
• 1:10:11
  was, there was actually changed. Then defensive line coach, which
• 1:10:21
  was Lane kiffin is younger. Brother for Ole Miss.
• 1:10:26
  Both of them were watching contagious.
• 1:10:29
  And I mean, of course, content can take.
• 1:10:32
  This was a senior. Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Made this commitment. He was, I mean, he was very much
• 1:10:38
  being recruited. and, Cornell goes out in the first game
• 1:10:44
  scores three touchdowns. He's by far the player to game.
• 1:10:48
  The it was not Cape Fear. It was I can't remember Troy.
• 1:10:58
  What's his name seen? The I can tell you this, it was
• 1:11:02
  the team that we played had to Future College all Americans on
• 1:11:10
  the team. They had a kid named Gilyard to
• 1:11:13
  played center for three years for the University of Georgia.
• 1:11:16
  He was a defensive lineman for them and then what was the other
• 1:11:22
  kids name? He's an outside linebacker.
• 1:11:25
  Now for the Titans and he played at Boston College.
• 1:11:34
  Anyway, both of those guys on the team, we played them.
• 1:11:40
  And you know we were in the 11 seed in the playoffs they were
• 1:11:45
  number three, this time for sound.
• 1:11:48
  It Pine Forest. That's not terrible.
• 1:11:50
  Injury Harold, Landry. That's it Harold Landry.
• 1:11:54
  The Gilyard Gilyard played defensive lineman for he was a
• 1:11:57
  monster. We told her off, we told her
• 1:12:00
  offensive coordinator from the start, you ain't running nothing
• 1:12:02
  inside it's a late in the third quarter track to a guy and that
• 1:12:09
  cat 80 like Pac-Man and I talked, I told I told her head
• 1:12:17
  coach the towers. I little, we got, we're gonna
• 1:12:19
  have to put the ball in the air. I was like, we don't get, we
• 1:12:23
  will get the third down. We're going to throw it to
• 1:12:24
  Cornell. He'll score on the third, play
• 1:12:26
  the game. But you know, we got to put the
• 1:12:29
  ball in the air. We got to make these kids run
• 1:12:31
  side to side. Third played a game Cornell
• 1:12:34
  scores of 47 yard touchdown because I knew what was about to
• 1:12:37
  happen. We do hold on the field at all
• 1:12:49
  times. So when that offense goes out
• 1:12:53
  there, he's got to take over, not only does he know, he's the
• 1:12:56
  best player on the field in his mind that they've got two or
• 1:13:01
  three D bees, that are fairly highly recruited.
• 1:13:04
  And he says, if I go out and I show what I can do against these
• 1:13:08
  guys to these coaches sitting here, that it's going to put me
• 1:13:13
  on the map. When I go to camps, they're
• 1:13:16
  going to know who I am beforehand.
• 1:13:17
  Yep. And that's what he did.
• 1:13:19
  He went out there and did it. Why do you say that again?
• 1:13:22
  You know, of course Pine Forest. Coach comes across and tells us,
• 1:13:25
  you know, y'all ain't got but one y'all ain't got but one
• 1:13:29
  All-American on that team and that's number three.
• 1:13:31
  That's the wide receiver because your defense then didn't do
• 1:13:34
  nothing against us. Well, they ran 64 please and 57
• 1:13:40
  of them were opposite. Of can take you the truth.
• 1:13:45
  I wouldn't run it. Was probably the best football
• 1:13:55
  player that I've ever coached. He went to Campbell University
• 1:14:00
  played fullback and then defensive end.
• 1:14:03
  So I mean, but we know about can take your street going to help
• 1:14:07
  out but Christian Pleasant. It was one of the best football
• 1:14:11
  players I've ever coached, but he was under sized.
• 1:14:14
  Yeah, and that goes to the camp thing with the size and things
• 1:14:18
  of that nature. He was absolutely incredible,
• 1:14:21
  and he shut the game down and made it look that way.
• 1:14:24
  Anyway, the very weary internet game, And Coach Chavis and Coach
• 1:14:31
  kit for understanding there. And they told Cornell, you know,
• 1:14:34
  that's an amazing game. You know, we're going to, we're
• 1:14:37
  going to take your information down.
• 1:14:38
  Will be watching you, things of that nature because Cornell this
• 1:14:41
  point use the 10th grader, you just a sophomore.
• 1:14:45
  So do you know, would you know, make sure you get in touch with
• 1:14:47
  us, you know, if you to Camp, will get you talking to our
• 1:14:50
  position coaches things like that.
• 1:14:53
  Well, Cornell being the kitty is especially at that point he
• 1:14:57
  goes. You think that was something
• 1:14:59
  that you guys come to the game next week he goes you thought
• 1:15:02
  those three wind pressure almost 45 next week.
• 1:15:08
  Yeah, coach Kevin said I bet you score five next week.
• 1:15:13
  I will get you that off. Her.
• 1:15:16
  Let's just say after that next game, the next week coach, Kevin
• 1:15:21
  was on the phone at that time, when Hugh freeze going, hey,
• 1:15:25
  where we gotta get this kid offer, he just, he scored eight
• 1:15:28
  touchdowns and two games. He scored in five against Conley
• 1:15:32
  and we won that game and moved on.
• 1:15:35
  So then you put a bar out there, he's gonna jump over.
• 1:15:40
  Oh absolutely Cornell. Having Kentavious, having
• 1:15:44
  someone that hydrated? They show up, he shows out, he's
• 1:15:49
  not coming out of nowhere, he's going after Camp.
• 1:15:53
  If you don't know nothing here as the stomach he's here is when
• 1:15:59
  he walks in the door, he's having to do Cornell walks into
• 1:16:08
  a camp, he's the fifth rate of receiver in the country.
• 1:16:11
  He's got offers from 30 institutions.
• 1:16:16
  Would he be things was that if theres chibi's are highly rated?
• 1:16:24
  They're getting in there getting in line, they're going I want
• 1:16:26
  Cornell power. I'm going to shut him down.
• 1:16:29
  Didn't work very often, but that's their mindset.
• 1:16:32
  Okay. Another part of them that look
• 1:16:34
  at that line and go. There's Cornell Powell.
• 1:16:37
  He's one, two, three. One, two, three, four, five.
• 1:16:46
  Trying to get out of that place. So you got you got prime time
• 1:17:01
  and you got some people that are thinking a little bit.
• 1:17:03
  Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Oh yeah. You always do have that one.
• 1:17:07
  You always behind that one. DB.
• 1:17:08
  I'm the best DB out here. Put me against anybody and
• 1:17:12
  everybody scorches that cat because he's never right.
• 1:17:17
  He, I'm impressed everybody and he slows, you know what, and it
• 1:17:22
  does not work. But I mean ID please.
• 1:17:28
  The DVDs, which you got to look at is that you've got to see
• 1:17:32
  them. Understand?
• 1:17:33
  Okay. If I know I'm going against the
• 1:17:36
  Primetime man in this camp. Am I going to step up there now?
• 1:17:42
  The coach may tell you you're going to press man right here.
• 1:17:45
  Okay. If I'm going to press man, what
• 1:17:47
  do I have to do to take advantage of this?
• 1:17:50
  Is this kid, is this cat going to beat me physically right from
• 1:17:54
  the play or see a finesse guy that's going to beat me with his
• 1:17:57
  footwork and get vertical, things of that nature and then
• 1:17:59
  burn me with his speed you're going to you're going to see
• 1:18:03
  those guys start to process that and it all goes back to the same
• 1:18:06
  thing. The hand placement their, their,
• 1:18:08
  their footwork, And and the way they cover out the way they
• 1:18:14
  close separation when it's created and things like that.
• 1:18:17
  That's what you have to evaluate their and that's evaluating
• 1:18:20
  different ways. Whether it's Pressman or excuse
• 1:18:24
  me off, man, to Zone type coverage.
• 1:18:28
  I mean, when you when you get into that off, man, playing
• 1:18:32
  against that receiver. You instantly create separation.
• 1:18:38
  So it during that play, Are you able to close that separation?
• 1:18:42
  When you see that receiver, Make That Swing.
• 1:18:46
  Are you able to close that separation when he makes a
• 1:18:49
  double move to the slant, you come down and he goes vertical
• 1:18:53
  and beat you? Do you have the speed to catch
• 1:18:55
  up with it? You know, those types of things
• 1:18:58
  and a lot of that can go into how that DB processes it and how
• 1:19:03
  that DB You know please everything particular.
• 1:19:07
  We had a DB a couple years ago. He's a Randolph-Macon now go.
• 1:19:11
  Sorry, huh. I'm not trying to not trying to
• 1:19:15
  promote the game, the greatest rivalry in the South whatever,
• 1:19:19
  but I'm pretty sure you know, that happens every year.
• 1:19:24
  And I think next year, it's going to be at Hampton Sydney.
• 1:19:26
  If anybody wants to go out, check it out.
• 1:19:28
  Should be, I go again, right? I'll be there.
• 1:19:30
  All right. Now, probably will be to and,
• 1:19:34
  you know, I'm not above a cheap promotion here if you haven't
• 1:19:36
  figured that out yet. But anyway, the The kid was was
• 1:19:52
  under sized but an exceptional DB.
• 1:19:56
  And one thing I always noticed about and we he with the camps
• 1:20:00
  was he was going to make sure that he found out who the
• 1:20:04
  exceptional receivers were in that particular camp and he was
• 1:20:09
  going to find out what they did best.
• 1:20:12
  You know, we're there thing where they speed receiver there
• 1:20:16
  was getting vertical and beating people there.
• 1:20:19
  Are they somebody took advantage of the separation and did well
• 1:20:22
  on it on the slant sort of things like that and he would
• 1:20:26
  play, he would set his self up. If he was given the opportunity,
• 1:20:30
  he would set his self up to play them the best that he could,
• 1:20:33
  possibly play to make himself look the best.
• 1:20:35
  He could, if he had a receipt with that, he knew was was going
• 1:20:39
  to play vertical and run fast and was faster than you.
• 1:20:43
  He played softer me, And he knew exactly when to turn, he wasn't
• 1:20:48
  going to he wasn't going to let the receiver force him.
• 1:20:51
  He had in his mind, he had said his game plan that he knew what
• 1:20:54
  he was gonna do and he could do that with watching that receiver
• 1:20:58
  three please. He knew what he wanted to do and
• 1:21:03
  that just come from his preparation and rarely did he
• 1:21:08
  get beat in any of those situations in Camp?
• 1:21:13
  He could come up and he knew that receiver was gonna maybe
• 1:21:16
  that receiver was faster than him and everything like that,
• 1:21:19
  but he knew that the receiver didn't get bitten, get a good
• 1:21:22
  release off the line. So he'd press it and beat him
• 1:21:25
  right there and never have to worry about the speed that the
• 1:21:28
  kid, and that was just what he did and coaches evaluate at that
• 1:21:32
  and saw that. And they said, okay, yes, he is.
• 1:21:36
  He is 59 and three quarters but he's got sixty eight and a half.
• 1:21:43
  Shriek his arms are long and he can tie his shoes standing
• 1:21:46
  straight up. His arms are so long minions.
• 1:21:49
  He his body length was freakish. Yeah.
• 1:21:53
  And he can diagnose, why he with anybody?
• 1:21:56
  Because of his intellect. But his measurables like his
• 1:22:02
  height and thing like that they'd go, I don't know.
• 1:22:05
  They would question it but then they watch him when he feel.
• 1:22:08
  And that's where that camp comes in.
• 1:22:09
  Will you can look at these little things of his height and
• 1:22:12
  go. Yeah, he's not big enough to
• 1:22:13
  play this type of football, but then when you watch him, play
• 1:22:17
  you go. Well, he makes up for it in
• 1:22:19
  other ways. That's where those evaluations
• 1:22:22
  and things come in because he could clone he could close any
• 1:22:24
  Gap and he could take away to get from the start if he didn't
• 1:22:28
  want you to have one. And he had he had makeup speed
• 1:22:34
  to take away two vertical. If he got beat.
• 1:22:36
  I mean he was just he was just act like a player and I mean
• 1:22:39
  it's showing now he started he started six of the seven games
• 1:22:45
  and making this year as a true freshman.
• 1:22:48
  Oh wow did he be? So let me ask you this Robbie
• 1:22:51
  you know we've been going through DB here it looks like DB
• 1:22:54
  from an evaluation standpoint. It seems to be like you can kind
• 1:22:58
  of get the most Shin out of that position at these types of
• 1:23:01
  cancer, that be true. I think you can get the most
• 1:23:04
  evaluation that these camps from in the wide receiver and
• 1:23:09
  defensive back, kind of groups because you could you get to see
• 1:23:15
  that competition more and I mean, let's face it.
• 1:23:19
  Most of them, they don't like to be hit touched pushed around and
• 1:23:22
  stuff for start with. So not having pads on really
• 1:23:25
  doesn't affect them that much. Yeah, it really doesn't.
• 1:23:28
  I mean, why receiver or DB it's Ness game.
• 1:23:33
  It gets physical with them when they get to the middle and have
• 1:23:36
  to deal with that, that strong safety or the free safety of the
• 1:23:38
  linebackers and things like that.
• 1:23:40
  But in the one-on-ones that stuff's not there.
• 1:23:43
  So I mean you really get to evaluate how they position
• 1:23:48
  themselves, how they do their footwork, how they do, the
• 1:23:50
  things that they do. And it's, that's probably the
• 1:23:54
  best time to do it. And those situations now, once
• 1:23:57
  again, when it comes to the ball coming in, like we talked about
• 1:23:59
  the Running backs and receivers. I don't put a lot of focus on
• 1:24:04
  the kept every time simply because it may be coming from a
• 1:24:08
  different quarterback that they're not used to.
• 1:24:09
  It may not be the placement, they're not used to and that
• 1:24:13
  takes time to build. But I mean that's just yeah, I
• 1:24:17
  would definitely say that that's one of the best places to see
• 1:24:20
  those. Let's move on to the franchise
• 1:24:23
  player, the quarterback, how our quarterbacks evaluated these
• 1:24:27
  camps. And now I'm going to tell you
• 1:24:30
  what as I told you my, with my coaching experience and all
• 1:24:34
  those things. Now, I did work with
• 1:24:37
  quarterbacks at two camps. I think simply because of the
• 1:24:43
  fact that we took multiple coaches, we had multiple coaches
• 1:24:48
  at different positions and I would volunteer to go somewhere
• 1:24:50
  else. I'm the kind of Coach.
• 1:24:52
  And my mind, I don't have to stay in one place to learn
• 1:24:55
  something. I can go learn something in any
• 1:24:57
  position that I can take back with our coach ammonite.
• 1:25:00
  I can give it to her coach on our staff, that something I may
• 1:25:04
  have learned. From there, I'll go to any
• 1:25:06
  place. They are if it's going to help I
• 1:25:08
  work with quarterbacks a couple times when you go to these
• 1:25:11
  one-on-ones and the things like that in my opinion.
• 1:25:15
  And from what I saw those kids, there's very little evaluation
• 1:25:19
  going with the quarterbacks Nose one-on-ones, when they're
• 1:25:23
  throwing to the running backs and receivers.
• 1:25:26
  Simply because again the timings different, the receivers are
• 1:25:32
  different. They may be running routes that
• 1:25:35
  that quarterback is not used to you know to throw in things of
• 1:25:39
  that nature. Now you can see a quarterback
• 1:25:42
  make amazing throws and good back shoulder throws.
• 1:25:46
  Perfectly placed deep balls. In some of those situations you
• 1:25:50
  can see some good things but I don't see where they evaluating
• 1:25:55
  hold it against a lot of them in those because of those things
• 1:25:59
  you can tell the exceptional plays but you can't really tell
• 1:26:03
  how how bad a bad play is absolutely.
• 1:26:06
  So what's go then what's the weather is when they snap or
• 1:26:16
  they take that ball and they take their three steps before
• 1:26:19
  they throw it with. They're evaluating is there.
• 1:26:22
  Footwork there ball placement, where the both hands on the
• 1:26:25
  ball, the balls, High secure, things of that nature, but they
• 1:26:29
  get a lot of that in those individual drills to okay, the
• 1:26:32
  drills before they get to the 10 once the the only thing they
• 1:26:38
  they can really see in my opinion in the one-on-ones is
• 1:26:42
  the is that you know ball placement and their mechanics of
• 1:26:46
  everything. And now you wait a little bit
• 1:26:49
  there, but I mean, you're not going to see time and you're not
• 1:26:53
  going to see them reading a lot, especially with one-on-one.
• 1:26:56
  Now in the seven on seven things, okay, maybe it's some of
• 1:26:59
  the seven on seven camps, you can start to see them read pull
• 1:27:03
  the safety off, things of that nature.
• 1:27:06
  But what you're going to see in those individual drills with the
• 1:27:09
  quarterbacks is when they take that three step drop of their
• 1:27:12
  feet too wide to be able to throw with any power or their
• 1:27:16
  feet too close together. Either to be able to get power
• 1:27:19
  onto the ball when they Sprint out or rollout of a square in
• 1:27:24
  their shoulders, to the line of scrimmage, to throw it back when
• 1:27:29
  I was playing ball. And when I first started
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  coaching, are they sprinting out and throwing it back across
• 1:27:36
  field? God help them.
• 1:27:37
  They shouldn't be doing that quarterbacks nowadays, like
• 1:27:41
  this, what they want them to do. Patrick groans and dog on
• 1:27:45
  Russell Wilson, roll run. They are the dogon set of
• 1:27:48
  numbers. I don't know but I mean that's a
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  style of play it's coming now. Oh yeah.
• 1:27:54
  You can you can tell you used to be like breaking every rule if a
• 1:27:58
  quarterback turned their back to the rush.
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  Yeah they'll all be Russell Wilson.
• 1:28:01
  Does it five six times a game? You won't go out and you pass
• 1:28:04
  the Hat. You better not be throwing
• 1:28:06
  plastic. That's just forbidden.
• 1:28:10
  And now we'll roll it in numbers and throw to the other side
• 1:28:12
  line. It'll be all right, but would
• 1:28:15
  they got quarterbacks that have that strength now?
• 1:28:17
  Yes they do. So we're loose if they got
• 1:28:21
  bigger arms. Yeah.
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  Absolutely. What a backs are going to be
• 1:28:24
  evaluated more in my mind on that in those individual drills
• 1:28:30
  and little bitty mechanic things during the one-on-ones, and not
• 1:28:33
  about their completion percentage.
• 1:28:35
  And, and, and things of that nature.
• 1:28:38
  Because I mean, they're just not used to the timing and the
• 1:28:41
  things of those receivers. It's just, it's hard to do.
• 1:28:44
  I mean, it's really from the food.
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  And if you get up, Get a mechanic issue where that that
• 1:28:49
  throwing motion is way too slow or way too long you might have
• 1:28:53
  some. Yeah, that's when that's, when
• 1:28:56
  that slant turns into the post because we got away from here
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  and drop all the way down and come over the top row and here
• 1:29:05
  passing through. I mean it makes a world of
• 1:29:08
  difference in the timing and things of that nature.
• 1:29:11
  So I'm just going to guess on this and then we'll move on but
• 1:29:15
  I'm guessing with the quarterbacks it's going to be
• 1:29:17
  the actual film where they're playing week to week and is what
• 1:29:22
  I see in Camp. Here he is good footwork, good
• 1:29:25
  placement. Good arm motion.
• 1:29:28
  Is he doing that? When there's six guys in front
• 1:29:30
  of him about to kill him? Absolutely.
• 1:29:32
  Well, if he's taking the here to here, then we now we cooking.
• 1:29:36
  Yeah. What comes down to is it's a
• 1:29:40
  camp. You have to be able to take what
• 1:29:43
  you can get from the camp out of it, and you can expect to come
• 1:29:47
  into camp with nobody ever. Heard your name and walk out of
• 1:29:52
  there being the number one prospect on the list because
• 1:29:55
  they're not going to see everything in a can.
• 1:29:57
  It's going to be a combination of how you perform at that camp.
• 1:30:00
  Things that you show the film that you put out the consistent
• 1:30:04
  numbers and statistics you put up, it's a combination of all
• 1:30:07
  those things. I mean, It is what it is.
• 1:30:10
  I mean, the camp is as an opportunity for you to show off
• 1:30:14
  the things that, you know, you can do well, right then and
• 1:30:16
  there. But you have to understand that
• 1:30:19
  some of the things they're not going to see it as camps.
• 1:30:22
  Just like we have to understand this coaches that there's just
• 1:30:26
  some things, we all can see it at Camp.
• 1:30:28
  Okay? There's just some things that
• 1:30:30
  they're not going to learn how to let me ask this probably You,
• 1:30:35
  you've been an evaluator there? When are they asking you and
• 1:30:40
  talking to you about what you're seeing on these individual
• 1:30:42
  drills are one-on-ones? Is it something that the camp
• 1:30:46
  server and everybody's getting together?
• 1:30:48
  You're taking your notes or is it?
• 1:30:50
  You know? When is it a lot of?
• 1:30:53
  Like we said before when they come in?
• 1:30:55
  You know, there's a lot of that registration time period at the
• 1:30:58
  beginning. Yeah.
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  All right you're as they're coming in and they're getting
• 1:31:04
  stretched. Eh, they're getting warmed up
• 1:31:05
  there, doing all this, they're working with the strength and
• 1:31:08
  conditioning staff, things like that, to get warm and and we
• 1:31:11
  want to sweat, we want them, warm broke in sweating, loose,
• 1:31:17
  ready to do, everything is when you give your best performance,
• 1:31:21
  okay? They've got that.
• 1:31:22
  Say they're going to do Dynamic stretching and mobility and all
• 1:31:27
  that stuff before they ever do that testing.
• 1:31:29
  They're going to run, you know, a half mile for they ever get
• 1:31:33
  that test and started. So, they're going to be nice and
• 1:31:35
  warm, and ready to go. Well, as they're coming in, you
• 1:31:39
  know, and in the cases that I remember of working with them,
• 1:31:44
  the kids are coming in and I'm standing there talking to the
• 1:31:46
  position coach. Okay, I was say I was at one of
• 1:31:51
  the camps at NC State. I'm standing there with the
• 1:31:53
  position coach, and as a kids are coming in, he will tell me.
• 1:31:57
  Oh, that's you know, so and stuff.
• 1:32:00
  You know where we're recruiting him.
• 1:32:03
  He's, you know, he's a three star defensive end from such and
• 1:32:09
  such high school, we think he's about 63, you know, 245 pounds,
• 1:32:18
  whatever. If we really want to, make sure
• 1:32:20
  we take a look at him and then you see him as he checks in, he
• 1:32:23
  gets his jersey, or is it has compression shirt or whatever?
• 1:32:27
  It's got a number on it or the banner.
• 1:32:29
  He's got a number on it but it's got a number written on his arm
• 1:32:32
  whatever. So you start to look at that
• 1:32:34
  number and you know and it's highlighted on the on the sheet
• 1:32:38
  that you may have or whatnot. You know guy that they're
• 1:32:42
  looking at well, they come in, they do all their tests and they
• 1:32:46
  do all that stuff and You know, we're talking about that.
• 1:32:52
  So then after they do all their tests and they do all that to
• 1:32:55
  get broken into their specific position drills.
• 1:32:58
  Okay, now I wanted to last campsite work there, that was
• 1:33:05
  myself the position GA and then to current players, okay?
• 1:33:14
  And what we did was we had, I don't know 20 2530 defensive
• 1:33:19
  lineman at the camp. So what we did was we split them
• 1:33:23
  by groups. Okay.
• 1:33:26
  So if you're you know you're Rising freshman, you go over
• 1:33:31
  here with player number one, if you're a rising sophomore, you
• 1:33:36
  go here with quite a number two, if you're a rising.
• 1:33:43
  Junior you go right here with you know coach competent.
• 1:33:47
  If you're a rising senior you go right over here with the ga and
• 1:33:53
  you know they split them up that way some of them, put them up
• 1:33:56
  different ways you know you're a defensive end, you go over here,
• 1:33:59
  you're a defense, your three technique, you go here, you're a
• 1:34:02
  nose, you go here. This particular one, the the
• 1:34:08
  defensive line coach went through.
• 1:34:09
  He gives give me you for guys, you go with that guy.
• 1:34:13
  You five guys go with player. Number two, I want so-and-so
• 1:34:18
  so-and-so, so-and-so and so-and-so.
• 1:34:20
  We have Coach Compton. And this guy, this guy, this
• 1:34:22
  guy, this guy with the ga. Well when you really looked at
• 1:34:26
  it they had the younger kids with the players.
• 1:34:30
  And then they had the kids that they were actively recruiting or
• 1:34:35
  could be recruiting or things like that with me and the ga
• 1:34:38
  gotcha because the player, you know why, they know the drills,
• 1:34:45
  they know the information, they know the things like that, they
• 1:34:48
  may not be able to see certain things.
• 1:34:52
  To evaluate the way than myself or TGA may be able to do.
• 1:34:57
  So, as we're going through the drills, we're seeing things,
• 1:35:00
  okay? So I'm putting the kids through
• 1:35:01
  the Thrills and I'm seeing their first step.
• 1:35:03
  I'm seeing how they're doing this, how they're doing that.
• 1:35:06
  And, you know, the defensive line coach was standing right
• 1:35:09
  there may be two head coaches there.
• 1:35:11
  Maybe they were recruiting coordinator has walked over and
• 1:35:13
  seeing that, but most of those coaches are moving around at
• 1:35:17
  that particular time. The defensive line coach should
• 1:35:20
  have with working with. He was the Important later and
• 1:35:24
  he was also the Run game coordinator.
• 1:35:28
  So he was moving around. See, linebackers and DBS.
• 1:35:31
  And I mean he's moving around to see things too.
• 1:35:33
  So he takes a lot of information from from us of what we see in
• 1:35:38
  the evaluation. So we run through say 10 minute,
• 1:35:42
  10, 15 minutes of drill and we send the kids to go get water
• 1:35:45
  because it's 110 degrees on the turf.
• 1:35:48
  Yep. Well he comes over and talks to
• 1:35:49
  us why those kids are running water.
• 1:35:52
  Okay, what do you know in this Grill?
• 1:35:54
  What did you see? How did you feel about this?
• 1:35:57
  So we'll talk about it a little bit there.
• 1:35:59
  Okay, well we finish up those individual drills or we get
• 1:36:03
  ready to go to 101. Okay guys, we finished all of
• 1:36:06
  our individual drills. What you're going to do, we're
• 1:36:08
  going to break it down. You're going to go down to the
• 1:36:11
  left corner of the end zone down there, and that's where we're
• 1:36:14
  going to do one-on-ones against the o-line.
• 1:36:17
  So they break down, take off. Then it baby me.
• 1:36:21
  That GA the It's Ron coach and the head coach and they may have
• 1:36:25
  questions. And we'll have this kid do in
• 1:36:27
  this particular thing. How did they do with this?
• 1:36:31
  How was their first step with this?
• 1:36:33
  If you took these Five Guys, where would you rank them?
• 1:36:36
  One through five, who would be the quiet guy down?
• 1:36:40
  So we talked about that kind of stuff for our particular
• 1:36:43
  position. Yeah.
• 1:36:44
  And each position is doing that every time they can get the kids
• 1:36:49
  together and you get a free minute.
• 1:36:52
  To evaluate I got you, then you get to the one-on-ones and you
• 1:36:57
  know, that particular this particular Camp, I was working
• 1:37:01
  with defensive line and my head coach was working with offensive
• 1:37:04
  line because that was what his specialty was.
• 1:37:07
  So now we're at one-on-ones and it's my head coach and the
• 1:37:11
  offensive line coach. And then the defensive line
• 1:37:14
  coach and myself, we have a group of one-on-ones and it may
• 1:37:18
  be there. Seven best offensive lineman and
• 1:37:21
  there. Best defensive lineman that we
• 1:37:23
  had evaluated anything. Gotcha.
• 1:37:26
  And so, you know, it may come over there and the defensive
• 1:37:31
  line coach may ask me, he goes okay, who's the who's the best?
• 1:37:34
  Who's the highest value? What you want out of what we've
• 1:37:37
  seen today? And I say, you know, jersey
• 1:37:40
  number 12 and they'll ask offensive line, coach.
• 1:37:45
  And my head coach, who was the top-rated offensive lineman?
• 1:37:50
  All number 172, okay. Next time around, we want to see
• 1:37:54
  number 12, go against 172 so you know, we can evaluate things
• 1:37:59
  that way and when it all comes down to it, okay, after those
• 1:38:02
  one-on-ones are done, before they get ready, there's going to
• 1:38:06
  be a period where they may go get you know, they're different
• 1:38:12
  camps, do different things, you know, you met some of them, you
• 1:38:15
  can go take pictures, you can go do things like that.
• 1:38:18
  Ye may have a snack or something.
• 1:38:19
  For you. But before you leave the head
• 1:38:21
  coach, or whoever is going to speak or their their guest
• 1:38:25
  speaker or somebody's going to speak.
• 1:38:27
  So while they're doing that, all the coaches may be meeting to
• 1:38:31
  give their evaluation from the one-on-ones.
• 1:38:35
  He didn't he didn't, he didn't do great in individual drill but
• 1:38:39
  when you put in our competition against somebody he did awesome.
• 1:38:42
  He grows up and we showed good footwork and did this and did
• 1:38:45
  that he didn't do so well against led to destroy it,
• 1:38:48
  didn't move in front of it. But when things are moving in
• 1:38:51
  front of him, you really see that Raw Talent breakout, you
• 1:38:54
  know, things like that. But you get, you get kind of
• 1:38:56
  evaluate those different ways. Then you get to try to let you
• 1:38:59
  know, we were talking to different coaches and getting
• 1:39:02
  them are ideas. And if that in that situation,
• 1:39:05
  you know, they felt comfortable enough taking information from
• 1:39:09
  us, that we, you know, that we knew what we were doing.
• 1:39:13
  But I mean that just depends on that were like you said their
• 1:39:17
  relationship, you build. I mean, we had five players go
• 1:39:21
  play at NC State. They knew what we based our
• 1:39:25
  stuff on and what we were focused on.
• 1:39:27
  So I got you now could I ask there?
• 1:39:30
  Yeah. Good Curtis my bad.
• 1:39:32
  Have you ever had a coach? Is there everything a kid at a
• 1:39:34
  camp that stood out so much where you had a head coach or
• 1:39:37
  recruiting coordinator sake, we want to talk to him.
• 1:39:40
  That's, you know, you have this list of all the kids that
• 1:39:48
  registered And they're going to, they're going to be given
• 1:39:52
  numbers and you're given a list of who these kids are.
• 1:39:55
  So you can check because, you know, you have to record their
• 1:39:59
  their tests and stuff so it has to be written out in record it.
• 1:40:04
  So, you have a list of the kids that are there their name and
• 1:40:07
  what their shirt number or whatever he is now, don't get
• 1:40:10
  wrong. Some of these kids identify when
• 1:40:12
  they come in. You, like I said, he's gonna
• 1:40:14
  say, hey, this kid right here, coming in.
• 1:40:16
  He's got, we're looking at, he's a guy with a recruiting.
• 1:40:19
  You know, so he's marked on her sheet whether we checked it off,
• 1:40:23
  it's highlighted. Whether his jersey is now, is
• 1:40:26
  red with black numbers, where all the rest of them are red
• 1:40:29
  with white numbers or, you know, however, they they do it to make
• 1:40:33
  certain individual stand out. You're going to know who they
• 1:40:36
  are, there may be a kid, it come in cold off, the street signed
• 1:40:40
  up and he looks good. And that's one of the cases with
• 1:40:45
  like was contagious, was he come in before his junior year?
• 1:40:49
  Yeah and he's in the area that hadn't been heavily recruiting
• 1:40:52
  him because he had just moved there all of a sudden he sets a
• 1:40:56
  he set the camp on fire they're like hey Mark that get him out
• 1:41:00
  of that group, bring him over to this group and and you to
• 1:41:05
  evaluate him. Where he was over there.
• 1:41:09
  You know player a said that he was dominating everything over
• 1:41:13
  there and he was amazing that we need to be looking at.
• 1:41:16
  So we bring them over to one of those groups to where we can
• 1:41:19
  evaluate him and some of the other coaches get to see him as
• 1:41:22
  well. Get to see him again.
• 1:41:23
  Small receive High Caliber guys that you already do something
• 1:41:26
  about see how he does against them.
• 1:41:28
  He coaches may not some of the coaches may not look so much at
• 1:41:32
  the rising 9th graders at the camp because they really, you
• 1:41:37
  know, they can talk to him but they can actively recruit them
• 1:41:41
  into ninth grade, you know. But you know you got this kid,
• 1:41:45
  there's a rising Junior. He's in the primer.
• 1:41:47
  Recruiting we need to get on board and find out where this
• 1:41:50
  kit fits we can pull him in. There we go.
• 1:41:53
  Let's get him with this group. So yeah, that definitely
• 1:41:55
  happens. It's not, you know, I wouldn't
• 1:42:00
  say it's every Camp. If you go out and you get a kid
• 1:42:03
  that that blows up and it appears out of nowhere, but it's
• 1:42:06
  definitely possible. And there's the one to come in
• 1:42:09
  and be like this is a key of looking at and by the end of the
• 1:42:13
  camp they're just like nope we're racing guys.
• 1:42:18
  This is there a kid that coaches don't really know from Adam
• 1:42:22
  that's walking in. It's going to walk away with a
• 1:42:24
  scholarship from these cans. I seriously, doubt it.
• 1:42:28
  Okay. Now times out of ten, they're
• 1:42:31
  walking into the camp if they leave, what a scholarship offer,
• 1:42:36
  somebody new a lot. About them before they got
• 1:42:38
  there, got you. They're one of the lifts their
• 1:42:41
  one of the guy they're all there on the list when they arrive.
• 1:42:44
  If they're if you don't have a scholarship when they're there
• 1:42:46
  and they walk away with absolutely got you.
• 1:42:48
  Now, you can, you can, you can be one of those borderline kids.
• 1:42:51
  Yeah, we know who you are. You know, we were like, what you
• 1:42:55
  we seen your film? We know that you can play.
• 1:42:59
  We're trying to sign and come out and blow that thing out of
• 1:43:01
  the water and account and go, hey.
• 1:43:04
  Yeah, he's worth it. Okay, I mean that can happen but
• 1:43:08
  somebody that walks in stone, cold off the street and just
• 1:43:11
  appears, I mean, there's no, I haven't seen it a camp, a Rudy
• 1:43:16
  story where God just appears out of nowhere, blows it up and you
• 1:43:21
  know, gets a scholarship and then mosa field afterwards, you
• 1:43:25
  know, I haven't seen that. I mean I guess it's possible but
• 1:43:30
  so you but you by giving you might go to a camp and get all
• 1:43:33
  the teams radar. You're not going to came over
• 1:43:35
  said, you got a scholarship got. Yeah and you can go in there and
• 1:43:39
  open some eyes and say, hey we're going to start watching
• 1:43:41
  this cat. Not impossible but improbable
• 1:43:44
  problem as yeah, not impossible but improbable that's a great
• 1:43:48
  way to put it. Here we go.
• 1:43:49
  Curtis a man of words right there, Wordsmith exactly.
• 1:43:54
  All right, so before we jump off here tonight Robbie, we're going
• 1:43:58
  to give the floor to you because for anybody listening out there
• 1:44:02
  whether you are a high school kid, whether you are a parent Me
• 1:44:07
  and Brian are parents. So you know, obviously we've got
• 1:44:10
  a ways to go before any of this stuff takes place before.
• 1:44:13
  Maybe some of you guys who have kids getting older, why we
• 1:44:17
  wanted to give a little info. So you guys kind of know how to
• 1:44:22
  go into these things and Robbie. I'm assuming this isn't just
• 1:44:25
  football but this is for any score, right?
• 1:44:27
  Yeah. My biggest thing and it's like I
• 1:44:30
  said earlier, when it comes to the kids and these coaches and
• 1:44:34
  all the stuff I want to be honest about things, Because
• 1:44:38
  it's you know it's my word, it's my evaluation of things of these
• 1:44:45
  kids and stuff that they're going to take you know and we
• 1:44:48
  build relationships off of those things we want.
• 1:44:52
  If I could go in, I do I give every one of my kids on my team
• 1:44:56
  scholarship because I want them to go to college.
• 1:44:59
  I want them to be successful. I want them to be you know,
• 1:45:03
  great citizens and productive citizens everywhere.
• 1:45:06
  That's what I want for it. For every kid that has ever
• 1:45:08
  played for me for every kid that thought about playing the didn't
• 1:45:11
  play, you know, that as an educator as a teacher as a
• 1:45:14
  coach, that's what I want. I want every kid to have that
• 1:45:17
  chance to succeed. They don't allow me to give
• 1:45:20
  scholarships. So I have to put my, I have to
• 1:45:25
  use the relationships that I build and put my stamp on the
• 1:45:28
  kids that I know that I can help.
• 1:45:31
  And I tell them with honesty, you know, go to these camps, get
• 1:45:39
  the exposure, you can get, if you have 250 dollars this year
• 1:45:46
  to spend to go to camps, Okay. My first piece of advice would
• 1:45:51
  be, don't spend all 250 dollars at Every ACC and SEC camera or
• 1:46:01
  every Big Ten, Big 12, Camp, whatever, don't don't blow every
• 1:46:06
  dime you have on power 5. You know, camps.
• 1:46:12
  And the reason I say that is I mean statistically you look at
• 1:46:18
  it, there's five conferences, there's ten, eleven twelve teams
• 1:46:23
  in the conference, each team has 85 scholarships.
• 1:46:27
  Okay, I'm not a mathematician but that that chance is Slim.
• 1:46:37
  Okay. and there's 1,400. I know in North Carolina,
• 1:46:45
  there's like 317 high school football teams total, okay, each
• 1:46:51
  one of those teams have anywhere from 40 to 70 80 kids on the
• 1:46:56
  team. It's 317 in one state that plays
• 1:47:01
  football. And that's you know, ten
• 1:47:06
  conferences, maybe 115, 120 teams in all the power 5 that
• 1:47:11
  have 85 kids. So all of you can't go there as
• 1:47:16
  much as you want to go to Alabama.
• 1:47:18
  You may not be able to So think about your education first okay?
• 1:47:25
  The things that you want out of like football is not going to
• 1:47:28
  last forever. I tell the kids all kind of
• 1:47:30
  football is not going to last forever.
• 1:47:32
  I've coached for 15 years say average of 50 kids per year. 15
• 1:47:36
  years. Y'all.
• 1:47:38
  And y'all are the numbers guys. Y'all can figure out that kind
• 1:47:41
  of math. I've coached well over 2,000
• 1:47:44
  kids in my 15 years of coaching. Two of them right now.
• 1:47:50
  In NFL. To every all 2,000 of them, at
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  one point in their life, their goal was probably the play
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  professional football play in the NFL, two of them are there.
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  So you got to find something else to finish life with you got
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  to find something, to be that that you you're going to go
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  professional. But what's it going to be in the
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  likelihood of it? Being football is not it.
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  Find what you want to do, okay? Find the schools that are best
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  at that. You want to play football, find
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  the schools that have the football programs that you want
• 1:48:24
  to play for. Okay.
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  Pick pick one of the big school, pick at dream school.
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  If your dream school is Alabama, if your dream school is 4G, He
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  attacked go to the camp. Get that exposure.
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  Go enjoy every bit of it. Then find a say you're of
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  Virginia kid find a j mu. Then find a, you know, a
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  division 2 School of Virginia state.
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  Then find a couple of D3 schools, you know, things like
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  that. Make sure you very where you
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  spend your time at those camps. Like I said, a lot of those
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  campers you go to, you're going to find coaches from other
• 1:49:07
  schools there. Anyway, especially the bigger
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  ones. So, use those processes and help
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  yourself get your exposure that way.
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  Don't spend every dime. You have traveling all over the
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  world to traveling all over the United States to these big
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  schools, that the that you have less than 2% chance of going
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  through. That that would be my biggest
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  thing to tell them and again, look around at the talent that's
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  there and see where you fit in. I mean, I had a, I've worked for
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  the last eleven twelve years for a phenomenal coach and he played
• 1:49:52
  college. He had Pro workouts.
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  Okay, he played a division to college in West Virginia, okay?
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  His dream was to go to to Penn State He went to camp at Penn
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  State and he said I knew 30 minutes after registration by
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  looking at the guys who were around me.
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  I was not going to print statement.
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  He said I was 64 300 pounds and I was one of the smallest
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  lineman there he said I knew then I wasn't going to Penn
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  State But I was going to play football and, and that's what he
• 1:50:29
  did. He worked his way around and,
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  you know, he ended up to start with a small school.
• 1:50:35
  I think in Pennsylvania, called till college, and then he
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  transferred to Glenville State. So, I mean, in even a Glenville
• 1:50:44
  State, he ended up with workout with Pro workouts.
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  It didn't work out. He wasn't quite, you know, he
• 1:50:50
  didn't quite measure up in those situations, but that's okay.
• 1:50:53
  I mean, he What is education? He's coaching and teaching.
• 1:50:58
  He's caught, he's coached at the college level taught at the
• 1:51:02
  college level now. He's teaching and coaching the
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  high school and he's been very successful so, and that's what
• 1:51:08
  he wanted to do outside of football, he still wanted to be
• 1:51:11
  involved in it so that those are the things that I would put out
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  there. And I would tell the kids to
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  very those things to make sure you do those.
• 1:51:22
  Don't limit yourself. Just to the big schools because
• 1:51:27
  it's not going to work out as much for the parents.
• 1:51:32
  The biggest thing I would say is as support the kids, don't push
• 1:51:38
  them towards something that you see for them that they may not
• 1:51:44
  see for themselves. I understand, you know, pushing
• 1:51:47
  them to get to that but don't push them to something that you
• 1:51:52
  would want to see, rather than what's realistic.
• 1:51:56
  That's a good thing. You see?
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  A lot of you lot of parents that push things because it's what
• 1:52:01
  they want and it may not be what the kids want.
• 1:52:04
  And that's the biggest thing. It's going to come out to be a
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  lot easier when the kid wants to be there and wants to do it,
• 1:52:09
  that it is just because they were told to But that's the
• 1:52:14
  biggest thing in it. I think the camps are great like
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  you said possible but not probable.
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  When it comes into walking into one, nine times out of ten, the
• 1:52:26
  kids are going into camp now at the end of these camps that
• 1:52:31
  you're going to, you're going to see some kids that at the end of
• 1:52:35
  Camp, the guest speaker spoken. Now, all of a sudden you're
• 1:52:39
  going to see these coaches, start talking to individual
• 1:52:42
  kids. And then there, I've seen them
• 1:52:45
  at the end of those camps. Like you said, after June 1st at
• 1:52:48
  recruiting thing is up and they can start recruiting again.
• 1:52:52
  I've seen kids come to these camps.
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  And at the end of that count, you know, they're walking away
• 1:52:57
  with the head coach and recruiting coordinator, and then
• 1:53:00
  they reappear wear with a scholarship offer, okay?
• 1:53:05
  That wasn't a kid that walked in from my experience and that's
• 1:53:31
  so-and-so from, you know, Blacksburg High School.
• 1:53:35
  He's a four-star defensive. Recruit a 64 265 pounds.
• 1:53:43
  Runs a 464 they know everything about him already.
• 1:53:47
  That's usually the kid that's that's wandering off and sitting
• 1:53:50
  in an office somewhere to talk to the head coach a little bit
• 1:53:53
  later. That's meet a couple camps when
• 1:53:56
  I was going to them when I was a junior and I was that regular
• 1:54:01
  guy, then Marcus Vick was the guy that was getting pulled to
• 1:54:03
  the side and talking to the coaches?
• 1:54:06
  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it possible, not
• 1:54:08
  probable, there we go. Told you, they never, they all
• 1:54:11
  want to come to the table as a probable.
• 1:54:14
  Every once in a while, there's a possible, the rest of them, if
• 1:54:18
  they're talking to head coach afterwards, it's probably to
• 1:54:20
  take the picture, get an autograph.
• 1:54:23
  But there we needs, it's just realistic.
• 1:54:26
  I guess. I have more tell the truth, and
• 1:54:28
  that's what the truth is. But I mean that's that's the big
• 1:54:32
  thing about the camps. It's an opportunity an
• 1:54:36
  opportunity to show what you what you can do.
• 1:54:39
  But Yeah, have realistic expectations when it comes down
• 1:54:44
  to it. There we go.
• 1:54:50
  Robbie, we appreciate you joining us tonight, man.
• 1:54:53
  It's been way too long. A since we've seen you, thanks
• 1:54:57
  through covid. Unfortunately, because normally
• 1:54:59
  Robbie would swing by Richmond and we somehow catch, Prayin you
• 1:55:04
  catch me. We all catch up.
• 1:55:05
  Go to her least have some wings, hopefully in the next few
• 1:55:09
  months. We do this in person.
• 1:55:11
  Maybe we get to watch a game together.
• 1:55:13
  Don't know if we want to do that.
• 1:55:14
  That might be dangerous. Have some wine.
• 1:55:17
  Watch a little football, hell yeah.
• 1:55:20
  I told you the other day, it's time to get together, you know,
• 1:55:23
  I got kids, I've had, I've had for years, I've had kids of
• 1:55:27
  different places playing ball and things like that.
• 1:55:30
  I've been running from place to place to watch games and things
• 1:55:32
  like that. And I spent a lot of time at at
• 1:55:36
  NC State. I spent some time at Clemson.
• 1:55:41
  So now I think this year there's going to be a lot less
• 1:55:45
  traveling. I can I can get back to my roots
• 1:55:47
  and watch some more Virginia Tech football.
• 1:55:50
  Yes sir. But like I said, I got another
• 1:55:53
  kid to just committed to NC State this past weekend so I can
• 1:55:57
  head back to Raleigh and I know I know some of the Virginia Tech
• 1:56:02
  fans don't want to hear it but I got I got some connections and
• 1:56:08
  in Raleigh that I can get the games if I need to call Coach y,
• 1:56:11
  Of you know because once again I have a pretty decent
• 1:56:18
  relationship there so he's a good dude.
• 1:56:23
  I know he did an amazing job in Blacksburg and he did the glad
• 1:56:27
  to have him in Raleigh as well. So we'll we'll spend some time
• 1:56:32
  in Raleigh again. We'll see how everything goes.
• 1:56:35
  There we go. Definitely get together, watch a
• 1:56:37
  little wash, a little hokey football.
• 1:56:39
  Y'all have to catch me up on how things are going.
• 1:56:42
  I falling a little behind. Well, you've been a busy man
• 1:56:45
  with all this stuff going on, man.
• 1:56:47
  So definitely on that and not, that is going to wrap up this
• 1:56:51
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• 1:56:54
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• 1:56:56
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