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It's Still There (S2 E21, "Lorelai's Graduation Day") · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in as I Am all In with
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  Speaker 1: Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson,
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  Speaker 1: I Am all In Podcast one eleven Productions, I Heart Radio.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna be breaking down and discussing Loyalize Graduation Day,
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  Speaker 1: episode twenty one, season two, and uh, we are so
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  Speaker 1: close to the end of season two. I know, how
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  Speaker 1: do we get here this fast? It's like being married,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and having a kid. Being married and having
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  Speaker 1: a kid makes speeds things up. It just speeds life up.
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  Speaker 1: Everything just zooms by. And I think that's really That's
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  Speaker 1: one of the main takeaways for me from this episode
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  Speaker 1: is is you know, Richard and Emily were so good
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  Speaker 1: about showing up to the graduation, they were so distraught
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  Speaker 1: at the experience of it. Emily shed a tear, not
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  Speaker 1: of joy. That was not a joyful tear. That was
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  Speaker 1: a tear of what could have been. Oh see, I
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  Speaker 1: don't I didn't see it like mm she was so proud.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, No, it was just because
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  Speaker 1: it's the way they looked at each other. Because Laurel
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  Speaker 1: I was welling up and her mother was welling up,
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  Speaker 1: Emily was welling up and she and Emily looked down.
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  Speaker 1: She just she had to put her head down because
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  Speaker 1: it was just gosh darn at the listen, if you're
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  Speaker 1: a parent and you put all that time and effort
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  Speaker 1: into breeding and raising your daughter in a certain way.
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  Speaker 1: And Laurel I said it best herself when in the
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  Speaker 1: scene with Rory, when she was having trouble studying, when
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  Speaker 1: Laurel I was having trouble studying for her final exam
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it was, Um, and she she's built it
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  Speaker 1: right out. She said, My I'm a huge you know,
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  Speaker 1: Please don't invite mom and dad because it will be
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  Speaker 1: to the graduation ceremony, because it'll they'll be humiliated. I'll
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  Speaker 1: feel bad, it won't be good for them, it won't
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  Speaker 1: be good for me. So please don't do it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what Richard and Emily had to fight through
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  Speaker 1: the humiliation of it because they here, they are in
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  Speaker 1: a community college. They hilariously brought their own cameraman role
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  Speaker 1: to film the whole thing and hi deaf, um, and
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  Speaker 1: it was just very sad. It was very very sad.
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  Speaker 1: That so fascinating. I thought completely differently. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: as look how much we've been through and look where
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  Speaker 1: we are now, and that those were like tears of joy,
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  Speaker 1: like we're here watching this moment and you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna say it's all peachy, but like they're getting
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  Speaker 1: along and they got to exp aarens this with her.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I thought it was so poignant, Like
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  Speaker 1: when they take that photo, when when Loure lies like, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: aren't we going to take that photo at the classic
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  Speaker 1: parents surrounding the graduate photo? I just thought so differently.
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  Speaker 1: I I got emotional twice during this episode, and this
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  Speaker 1: was one of the times when I'm like, wow, we've
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  Speaker 1: been through the mud and we're kind of digging ourselves out,
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  Speaker 1: and look at how they've come far. They've come. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't think Emily and Richard are ever going to
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  Speaker 1: meet her halfway even I think they're humiliated. I think
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  Speaker 1: they're going to to go to their graves humiliated, and
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  Speaker 1: and they're constantly thinking of what could have been when
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  Speaker 1: because look at her, I mean, she could have had
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  Speaker 1: everything and they could have been with her as grandparents
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  Speaker 1: in in their status conscious world where they exist. They
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  Speaker 1: don't exist anywhere else. They can't maneuver or function anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: They tried today and I thought, uh, I mean in
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  Speaker 1: today's in the episode I watched this morning, Um, and
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  Speaker 1: Richard gave her a check I know, I thought, But
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  Speaker 1: he couldn't say anything else, but because he was emotional,
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  Speaker 1: because he didn't know what to say, because he was
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  Speaker 1: trying so hard. He was trying so hard. There was
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  Speaker 1: another perspective. But man, do I see this so differently? No,
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  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, I get it. But
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing. For me, it was Richard doing the
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  Speaker 1: right thing, and there was a part of him that
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  Speaker 1: was was proud of his daughter. There was a part
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  Speaker 1: of him that wanted to come together because they've now
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  Speaker 1: he sees Laurela in a different light because of the
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  Speaker 1: experience left last episode. How capable she is, what a
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  Speaker 1: what a terrific mother she is, what a terrific woman
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  Speaker 1: she's turned out to be. It wasn't the way they
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  Speaker 1: envisioned it, but she's still a Gilmore and he's still
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  Speaker 1: kind of proud of her. Now it's like so out
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  Speaker 1: of her and got to have that moment, but he
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  Speaker 1: still didn't know what else to say to her. There
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  Speaker 1: was still, you know, the pangs of disappointment, the pangs
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  Speaker 1: that that come from, you know, a woman in their
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  Speaker 1: eyes that did not reach her full potential. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I I thought so differently. I thought he was sort
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  Speaker 1: of like filled with pride that moment, like I get
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  Speaker 1: to give my daughter that college graduate check, but so
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  Speaker 1: many dads get to do that. Almost like he didn't
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  Speaker 1: need words, Like he waited till Emily walked away so
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  Speaker 1: he could share that moment with just a little light.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought it was so important. She said thank
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  Speaker 1: you daddy, But right I know, I that was that
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  Speaker 1: was that was moving. It was but I think it
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  Speaker 1: meant so much to her and to him for them
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  Speaker 1: to have that just between the two of them. I
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  Speaker 1: want you to have this, Like I could cry right now,
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  Speaker 1: I like literally could cry right now. It was. That
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  Speaker 1: is why I love this episode so much. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I just I think he just he wanted to say more.
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  Speaker 1: He just didn't know. He he never prepared himself for
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  Speaker 1: this moment. He couldn't have prepared himself for this moment
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  Speaker 1: when he was giving a check to his daughter who
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  Speaker 1: had graduated community college at thirty well now thirty three
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  Speaker 1: years old. It was he wasn't prepared for that and
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  Speaker 1: he didn't know what to say to her. It was
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  Speaker 1: so far below his station and Emily station. They did
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  Speaker 1: the best they could that Emily did it in you
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  Speaker 1: know her her style, right, she went over the top
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  Speaker 1: of everything, and you know she was doing all that
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  Speaker 1: stuff to make herself feel comfortable so that she could
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  Speaker 1: stay in control. You know, she didn't want to really
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  Speaker 1: participate in the ceremony and and make it about Laurel.
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  Speaker 1: I she had to make it about herself, didn't she.
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  Speaker 1: She had to make it about how she still has
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  Speaker 1: control role And this is going to be such an
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  Speaker 1: awful experience for her because you can't say no to Rory, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she she really she that was an amazing
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  Speaker 1: so that we'll talk about. I see what you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, It's like she had
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  Speaker 1: to take she had to exert that level of control
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  Speaker 1: and just be herself so that she could get through it.
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  Speaker 1: So see that's where we disagree. So I look at
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  Speaker 1: it at me, I totally agree with you on me.
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  Speaker 1: She had to have control. She has to Emily everything,
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  Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Because she doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to trust some other camera are not getting capturing the moment.
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  Speaker 1: The only part that you and I diverge is I
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  Speaker 1: think she did it because she's like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: capture this moment. This is my moment as a mother
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  Speaker 1: to sit here while my daughter graduates. And what I
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  Speaker 1: think is for the last ten years twelve years since
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  Speaker 1: she would have been college aged, they never thought they
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  Speaker 1: would get this moment, and now they're so overwhelmed. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I see Riley nodding. Riley, I agree to. And I
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  Speaker 1: think the silent from Richard it is like he was
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  Speaker 1: just you know, when you reconnect with somebody, there's still
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  Speaker 1: that awkwardness, like you're still trying to figure each other
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  Speaker 1: out and read each other. And I think he was
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  Speaker 1: just doing the best he could and what he knew
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  Speaker 1: and what he knew about lor La. And I think Emily,
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  Speaker 1: the cameras and all that, that was how she knows
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  Speaker 1: how to show love and support, So that's how she
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  Speaker 1: was showing up. I tend to agree a little bit. Yeah, Okay, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense. No, I mean I think it can
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  Speaker 1: be both, right, it doesn't have to be one of it.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be either or I think is
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  Speaker 1: that not the magic of the show, right, right, it's
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  Speaker 1: all at one right, these scenes are operating on many levels. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and did you see Seth McFarland, he stole it for me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry those Alicia what's her name, Alicia Bergman was
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  Speaker 1: the actress that played the girlfriend that that I was
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  Speaker 1: laughing out loud. I mean that was just pure joy
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  Speaker 1: to watch that. You would be the expert on this,
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  Speaker 1: but like you really see, like obviously Seth McFarlane, now
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  Speaker 1: it's so massive and brilliant, like you can see it
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  Speaker 1: right from the start with someone. But wasn't he already
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  Speaker 1: popular back then? Was before like Family Guy? Was it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, wasn't it was? It was about that time.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see how long Family Guys been on? Didn't he
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  Speaker 1: have stuff? He had stuff going on? But going yeah
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  Speaker 1: he was, he was already Family Guys, right, but he
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  Speaker 1: hadn't kind he had stuff going on. I mean, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think they knew of Seth McFarlane because of
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  Speaker 1: Alex Yeah? Yeah right, I mean maybe that was the
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  Speaker 1: Family Guy premiered in We're just three years later? So
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't massive now he was. I think that show
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  Speaker 1: was a hit right away. It was, but he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like I mean, later on he hosted the Oscars, Like definitely,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I I've been invited to a
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  Speaker 1: place where he sings every once in a while. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it's probably only the first time someone saw his face.
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  Speaker 1: But it was hysterical his delivery and his his temperament.
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  Speaker 1: And and Alicia Bergmann, she was just her. Her delivery
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  Speaker 1: was so droll and deadpan. It was so great, and
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  Speaker 1: it made it so much more cringe e. Everything Emily
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  Speaker 1: was like the corsages was so cringe e. I know, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know she Emily wanted to do her thing, but listen, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's again when you have a child. And man,
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  Speaker 1: just I kept thinking what was her life like to
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  Speaker 1: make her do this? You know that. That's why I
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  Speaker 1: want to do the prequel. That's why I want to
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  Speaker 1: think about doing the prequel. It's like, like, what was
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  Speaker 1: in you know, Amy and Dan's minds when they created
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  Speaker 1: this scenario. What did they picture happened between Richard, Emily
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  Speaker 1: and Laurela before you know, two years before she got pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: what the heck was going on? Was was her pregnancy
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  Speaker 1: a result of her saying, I'm rejecting you, I'm rebelling hard,
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  Speaker 1: and this is what I'm doing. Was it a conscious
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  Speaker 1: thing or was it just an accident. I love this guy.
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  Speaker 1: I love this guy, and this happened. And look at
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  Speaker 1: what a child does to a person's life. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: in one sense, it it made her diverge from the
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  Speaker 1: Emily Richard pattern that she was, you know, deeply, deeply
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  Speaker 1: embedded in her life. Was supposed to go a certain
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  Speaker 1: way and it went another way. And I think the
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  Speaker 1: thing about Laurela is, as soon as she's pregnant and
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  Speaker 1: she has a baby, it's like her, it's not about
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  Speaker 1: her anymore. It never gets to be about her. It's
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  Speaker 1: really about that child. And life sixteen years goes by
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  Speaker 1: like that, like you blink and it's you know, my
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  Speaker 1: son is seventies almost eight years old. You blink and
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  Speaker 1: he's eight years old. It's wild how fast life goes
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  Speaker 1: and how fast paced every day is and how full
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  Speaker 1: they are. And you're not thinking once about yourself, and
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  Speaker 1: if you are, you feel guilty about it. So it goes, goes, goes,
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  Speaker 1: goes goes. So Laura La is not just she's not
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  Speaker 1: and she's not back there still with the parents, which
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  Speaker 1: is why she wants to kind of keep a distance.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I'm on my path with my kid. Life
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  Speaker 1: is moving fast, it's great. My kid is doing great,
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  Speaker 1: and that's all that matters. None of this other status
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  Speaker 1: garbage in your money matter compared to my child doing
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  Speaker 1: well and feeling safe. So I literally love that you
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  Speaker 1: just said that, because it's why the scene between Laurel
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  Speaker 1: and Rory after she misses the graduations so amazing, because
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  Speaker 1: she is so about Rory and then she took one
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  Speaker 1: minute to be about her and it went sideways. That
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  Speaker 1: scene was amazing between the two of them. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I was bawling, bawling because she you're You're so right on,
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  Speaker 1: and then immediately once she realizes, like what Rory's going
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  Speaker 1: through is more important again. I mean, Lorel sacrifices everything
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  Speaker 1: every time, and it's you love her for it because
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  Speaker 1: it's like, what would how would Emily have reacted to
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  Speaker 1: Laurel if Laura la Well, we see how Emily reacted.
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  Speaker 1: Laurel I missed her her graduation, Laura L I missed
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  Speaker 1: her life. According to Emily and Emily and Richard rejected them,
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  Speaker 1: rejected her rejected. I mean, can you imagine at some
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  Speaker 1: point there was no there were no there was no
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  Speaker 1: Olive Branch Uh extended to Laurel to like, come back,
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  Speaker 1: bring us our grandaugh. I mean, what happened in those
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  Speaker 1: sixteen years, not only what happened when she was probably
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  Speaker 1: we don't know. We don't know was it was it
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  Speaker 1: Laurel I reaching out to them and then rejecting her,
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  Speaker 1: or was it Richard and Emily reaching out to them?
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  Speaker 1: Because I mean, they have this granddaughter, and do you
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  Speaker 1: know is they never sent her away, they never disowned her.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted her to marry Christopher and do it their way,
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  Speaker 1: and she said no. But it's not like they shunned
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  Speaker 1: her or you know, so maybe there were all of
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  Speaker 1: branches and Laura I just was like, no, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to do this my way. So here's the question, who's
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  Speaker 1: a better mother, Emily or Lorela. I mean, look at
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  Speaker 1: look at how Laurela deals with her child, and look
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  Speaker 1: at how spectacular Rory is. Right, and I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that Layla is any less spectacular, but there's can you
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  Speaker 1: imagine at this point, Rory, what what if Rory gets
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  Speaker 1: pregnant with jesser Deine. How do you think Laureli reacts,
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  Speaker 1: She's gonna is she going to react like emilyin is
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  Speaker 1: not going to happen because she's already invent that. But
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  Speaker 1: could dialogue. That's one of the major tensions of the show.
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  Speaker 1: They talk about. But you can't, you can't stop that
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  Speaker 1: kind of I mean, it's mother nature and kids and
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  Speaker 1: hormones kicking in. No, you can't. You can't stop her
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  Speaker 1: from having sex. But Laura La has such a different
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  Speaker 1: open dialogue with Lori. They addressed it when she was
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  Speaker 1: dating Dean. Al Right, so what happens? What happens when
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  Speaker 1: there's I mean, now she's she's thirty, Rory's thirty two,
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  Speaker 1: well not thirty two, but she's older now she's what thirty?
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  Speaker 1: I was, so how old is she now? Yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: did the real time kind of thing. Um, now she's pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: but what if she what if she was pregnant when
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  Speaker 1: she was sixteen? Just like, just like Laurela when it happened,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just hypothetically just go with me there, just just
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  Speaker 1: go with playing again. But just hypothetically speaking, Roy comes
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  Speaker 1: home mom. I was with Jess in New York and
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  Speaker 1: and it happened. What do you mean, I'm pregnant? How
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  Speaker 1: does Lorelai would have done it differently. She's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be thrilled, but she would have handled it differently
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  Speaker 1: because lor Light makes lore Light sacrifices her own needs
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  Speaker 1: and desires for Rory's, which you saw in that scene
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  Speaker 1: in the end. You saw it immediately. She was hurt.
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  Speaker 1: It was her graduation that Rory missed. She had all
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  Speaker 1: the right in the world to be upset at Rory.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as she realizes, oh my god, my kid
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  Speaker 1: is really struggling, she forgets the graduation. It's gone, it's done.
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  Speaker 1: There's no holding a grudge on it. It's like, boom,
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  Speaker 1: We're going to deal with what you're going through. I
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  Speaker 1: loved that scene. Should we skip to that scene? You
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about that scene? What did you think?
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a monster of a monologue for
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  Speaker 1: Alexis to handle, and I think she handled it very
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  Speaker 1: well because on the page, you know, on and the script,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it says Rory, and then it's just blacking
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  Speaker 1: all the way down the page. And then you turn
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  Speaker 1: the page and there's black inkle all the way down
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  Speaker 1: the page for Roy, and then you turn the next
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  Speaker 1: page and there's black ink and you're looking at that,
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  Speaker 1: going a, I gotta memory. I saw this and the
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  Speaker 1: tone and the delivery, the way Alexis said those lines,
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  Speaker 1: and for me, I try not to even think about
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  Speaker 1: them as actors. I really want to be in it
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  Speaker 1: with the characters. And just the way she's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: and then I've grounded and I'm never leaving my room again,
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  Speaker 1: and you should take my food away, like I'm just
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  Speaker 1: going and going and doing it, and you you realize
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  Speaker 1: how sorry she was, and then you realize that turmoil
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  Speaker 1: she's in. Yeah, and Laura Lie was. God, Laura is
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  Speaker 1: such an awesome mom in that because she's like, wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, like you have fallen for him, like you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I just tears are rolling down because
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  Speaker 1: I just thought, is this history repeating itself? Though you
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  Speaker 1: know it's uh, you know, is that is that one
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  Speaker 1: of the fears for for lauralize that she's gonna, oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: here we go again, and what's you know, what's Emily? However,
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  Speaker 1: Emily and Richard going to react to this one. Now Rory,
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  Speaker 1: Now Rory can't go to Harvard because she's going to
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  Speaker 1: get knocked up. For me, it was like, look, any
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  Speaker 1: mom knows the first boyfriend is not going to be
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  Speaker 1: the forever boyfriend. And lordly, lordly, deep down those like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, she likes Jess and even one more
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  Speaker 1: he is like, Dean's my Boyfriend's gonna be my boyfriend forever?
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  Speaker 1: And no, right, he's talking about skeet shooting. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she cuts school and on a bus to New York.
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  Speaker 1: Do the clay pigeons bleed? No, they're clay, they're the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: pigeons bleed. What if you shoot the guy? It's stending
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: off the clay pigeons. Oh my god, you too. I'm like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like crying over this amazing moment. Okay, so let's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: go back to that. No, no, no, no, you're on
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you're on an island all by yourself and tears and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: we're out on the yacht having drinks. It's not fair
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to you, all right, So let's come back to the shore.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Let's let's get on misery island here. Um. I it was.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: It was an enthralling scene, for sure. I don't I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: don't know that it impacted me the way it impacted you, okay, um,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: but it's certainly showed, Uh in my mind, what what
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: kind of a mother Laurela I really is compared to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: her own mother, and how her own mother would have
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: reacted to that, because because because Emily would have read
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Laurela the riot Act, I mean absolutely would have read
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: her the riot Act and that would have gone so
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: put her down and humiliated her about it and walked away.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: You know, I love seeing is that is the fans,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: people listening to the podcast and huge fans of Gilm Girls,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: when they write us on the Instagram about how they've
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: changed their perspective. I think we've talked about it before,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: how they when they watched it in the you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: two thousand, they saw it one way, and now twenty
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: years later, because they've aged, they see it differently. And
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I think maybe that's why that I'm almost like getting
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a little choked up. I think maybe that's why that
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: scene just is so impacted me so much, because it
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: was like, did you have a scene like this with
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: your own mother? I'm venturing I guess here, no, I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I That's what I was thinking to know. But for
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: some reason, I mean maybe maybe kind of but it's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: but no, it's a big deal. It's so it's a
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: big moment. I mean, these these these two to this
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: girl and this woman are having moments in their lives
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: right and you know, Laura la quite um appropriately took
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: a step back and realized that, you know, her daughter's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: uh blossoming sexuality is a very powerful thing, and it's
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: something that she needs to pay attention to, and it's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: something she's very familiar with because the same thing happened
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to her when she was sixteen, and so she gets it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So she's she went immediately into mom mode. And it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the first time that she was not asking everybody to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: make a big deal about it. But she was happy
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that people you know that Rory wanted to make a
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: big deal. Me it was Rory's idea. Anyway, to invite
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Richard Emily, it was Rory's idea, and to have Laura
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I go participate and even go, Laura, I was going
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to blow it off. You know, we need to talk
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: about that too. Yeah. It's like, I'm like, I'm not
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: gonna cry, like I bleed together right now, but like
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I can feel like almost crying. I'm like having that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: about to cry moment. And I think one of the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: things maybe is it was so puppies and rainbows with
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Dean and Rory. We like each other. You know, they've
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: had a couple of moments, but for the most part,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we like each other. Here's your bracelet,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like you know, here's your you know, it's just very
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: like here's a car, like sweet sweet, sweet puppies and unicorns.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Rory is now experiencing like angst, Like it's different. She's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: got ankst. She she kind of wigged when he called,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and you know, she's like, oh, like, it's just such
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: a different love now it's I'm not saying this well,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Hopefully people are like understand where going.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: It's a different thing. And it's so much more like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: oh boy, it's a side of her that she recognized.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: There's a darkness there, you know, she because Rory looks
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: a certain way. Let's not assume that she hasn't had
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: her own struggle, internal struggles, her darkness, fighting off demons,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, right, um and Jess is really being
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: quite demonstrative with with this trouble, so I think, but
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I and I also think that there's a side of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: of Rory that is so altruistic and and so giving
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: that she really wants this kid too, And it's in
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: her bones because it's you know, it's it's it's Gilmore,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: it's a Gilmore thing where she she wants him to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: get on the right path. Everybody's trying to keep everybody
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: on the right path. Emily and Richard are trying to
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: try to get Laurel on the right path. Now they're
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: trying to get Rory into the right path, and they're
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: paying for it. And they went there Friday night dinners
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and now and now Rory wants to keep or get
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Jess on the straight and narrow because he's got tremendous potential.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It's all about potential. Don't blow your potential, don't waste
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: your potential, don't hiss it away. And I think she
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: sees something very very intriguing and very smart and um
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: artistic and soulful in in Jess, and she wants him
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to realize his potential. I think that's real love, it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: real care. Two questions, Yeah, One is what did you
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: think of the scene, Like, he doesn't know she's coming.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: These people don't have cell phones. She just knows the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: parky things out in, which is also kind of ridiculous.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So what did you think of the scene when she
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: just shows up and like taps him on the shoulder
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and he's very nonchalant. She's very nonchalant. It's not like,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: what are you doing here? So like subtle, like hey,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: by the way, I lived to block away from Washington
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Square Park in New York. One of one of my apartments.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Was it like right at tenth and tenth Avenue, I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: mean our fifth avenue. No, you it's right by n
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: y U. You can't miss it. I mean, it's not
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a huge it's not a huge, huge park. It's it's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of concrete and there's some good there's
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: a there's a uh you know, there's a center part
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of it that's round and it's it's a lot of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: concrete and then there's some seating areas and there's some
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: trees and grass. You know, it's the typical small, smallish
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's larger than your your average New York
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: inner city park. It's not Central Park. But but they
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: really nailed the look of it. When when she went
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: up behind us, I said, did they fly to New York?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And I mean because it kind of they kind of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: because you know, that's my area. And I was like, wow,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that put me right back in you know, into late eighties,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: early nineties. But but then the other stuff, it was
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: it's harder to to create walking around town. Yeah, that's harder.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: That's a little harder. But they did. You know, they
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: had the full trash cans and you know, trash building
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: out people walking around. What did you think of the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: bus scene? Outside the bus window and she opens the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: window and he's like, why did you come? It was
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: for me? It was It says everything about how she feels,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: about how they both feel about each other. I mean,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: he knows why, he wants to be sure, but she
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: just she looked so smitten. It's like she's gone. I mean,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: she loves that guy. Do you see her face? Right?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It's school. You know, she's still happy with him and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: also authentic. I still think she's playing the role of
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the the perfect girlfriend to Dean. It's not her and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: she knows it too. That's why she's like pulling away
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: from him. She's she's she's she's giving Dean what Dean wants.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: You know, it's an act. No, I think there's some
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: feelings there, but it's not but Jess. Jess moves her
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and they move each other. Jess moves her and she
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't know why. That's why she got on a bus,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you know, and she can't stop thinking of she can.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I was actually surprised how sort of happy she's been
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: following the car accident and him leaving, because I think
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: in real life that teenager is like way more sad
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: and MOPy and weird about it. Right, I'm a question,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: do you think Rory likes Jess more because Jess is
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: more like Christopher, like her dad, like she finds comfort
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: in him. I don't see any similarities between the two.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know they try to pawn that off,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: but I'm not saying, you know, you know, Christopher's to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the manner born and Jess is not. That's so that's
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: that's yeah. I don't see any similarities at all. Here's
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the similarity I see. Give me a scene between Lorla
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and Christopher ping pong ping pong, bo ping pong, very
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: similar to Luke and lor Lai. That yeah, oh, there's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: some ping ponging, although this scene we need to talk
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: about coward in the market. But Jess Rory ping ping
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: pong boom boom, Like it's a very similar sort of
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: where they really are jamming and Dean and Rory do
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: not have that. But here's the problem, the fact that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: she skipped school to get on a bus without telling
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: her mother at sixteen, went to New York City without knowing,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: have never having been there, h and found him at
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Washington Square Park. Okay, that is trouble. That means Jesse
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is just more trouble, like this is the guy that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: is actually and in reality throwing her off her game,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: throwing her off her trajectory because she's going straight up
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to Harvard Yale, right, and man, what's she doing in
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: New York City chasing you know, jack kiroac around. So
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that's a concern, correct, That never came up, But that's
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: gonna come up. It's like this is it'll come up.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And I know this will come up in in ensuing episodes.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, and we already know Lore lies super nervous
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and has been trying to like, oh, please don't make
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: this be real even though she knows. But Jesse, Jesse
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: has knocked down or not. He's he's hurting, he's lost,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: he's um and what is he is? Liz is Liz
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: my sister in New York City? Is that is that?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: The deal? Is that why he's there? You haven't seen her? Okay,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: so she's there, come home to mom and probably called
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Liz and said you need to deal with this, like
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you need to take him back. So that's why he's there.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: But he's obviously cutting school and Liz is still Liz,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: so she's not taking care of him right now. So
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: he's a cool, edgy, good looking, uh smart, New York
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: City kid, and man, there's very tempting for a suburban girl, right,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I mean she went to New York. I don't want
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: to go to New York now. I'd be scared on
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: my own walking around New York? Are kidding? Yeah? So
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: what did you think of um Luke and lorel bumping
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: into each other in the market? Um hmm, I don't know.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I mean it was necessary scene. I thought it was
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: a little I don't know. I found I don't want
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to be too critical here, but I found a lot
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: of these scenes just sort of awkward. Um. I thought
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the timing was off on on a couple of different scenes.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: There was one between lore Lae and Emily at the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: at the at the community college when oh, you're here
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: four hours early, what are you doing? You know this
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, and then maybe it's an Irish conference.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I thought that. I thought the end of that scene
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: was very, very awkward. Um the time, the timing wasn't right.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: There was something off about it. Um, I'm sure you're right.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't nobody noticed, is it right? And I'm getting
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: into the weeds here on stuff and I shouldn't get
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: into the weeds they do. Um anyway, It's just things, really,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes things don't click, and whether it's the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: writing or whether it's the directing, or whether it's whatever
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: it is. The actors didn't feel it that day or
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: something like that. But something was a little bit off
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: for me for Mene everything, No, no, just in that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and part of that scene. So I'm I'm, you know,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: watching like a hawk and making notes. And that's kind
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of what I scribbled down I thought. I thought the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Luke Laurel like Taylor Dozie Dozies market scene was a
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: little bit like that too. It was a little close. Yeah,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I'm done with their fight and need them to make up.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like they would have would have
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: been better if he reached for lemon and handed it
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to her. Yeah, like I felt like they should have. Um,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I felt like that I was ready
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: for the moment of like bygones, you know kind of
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I get that they probably have to like talk it out,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: but like I'm done with it. Um yeah, but Jesse
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: is gone, right and she hasn't. I think Luke is
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: is Luke. So Luke is not the guy who's going
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to go to her because they don't have a quote
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: unquote relationship. They don't. They do not. Okay, So they're
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: friends and they had a spat and you know, they're
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: both piste off at each other. And Jesse is gone,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and you know, it's not like Luke is going to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: go to her and said, gosh, you know, I'm sorry,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and here's some donuts and some brownies. And I feel
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: really about about that. He's not that guy. She's that
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: girl though. Yeah she hasn't done that yet. But am
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I being But am I being sexist for for expecting
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: her to do that and he is not capable of it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: That's not sexist? What is it? It's that's not him.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: It's just not easily just be a woman that isn't
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like that, and that Luke would have to do that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: That's just him, and I think that's totally fine. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: like for him, is it a situation where nobody's wrong
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and nobody's right. Yeah, and one of them is just
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: going to have to It's a game of chicken. Nobody's wrong,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: nobody's right, and one of them is just gonna have to.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: And Luke is not the guy to continue to stir
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the pot. You know, he won't. He won't go to her,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: like I've said, so, I guess he's just waiting for her.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: If she says something, he'll immediately forgive her. But she
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: hasn't done it yet, which is why he didn't really
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: want to engage her. No, I mean she she tore
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: him a new one man, you know, Yeah, I mean
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: she really tore him a new one. And he's just
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: not I mean, they're not in a relationship. So if
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: he's in a relationship with her, then he's you know,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: he's a little more inclined to make things right, you know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: because he wants to make things right. I think that's
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: but they're no, I mean it's like your friends. Look,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: we've all had spats with our friends and when they
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: get you know, when they get amped up like that,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that can end to friendship, you know, really can It
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: changes the friendship totally, totally, you know, and it too
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: will get through it. But yeah, you're right, but friendships
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: are a little more fragile than than than you know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: actual relationships and even marriages when it comes to kids.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Really you make up real fast. I have a question
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: for YouTube, what did you make of the gift from Christopher?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: You know, Riley, I'm gonna let you go first, go ahead.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: An awful lot of thought went into that gift. That
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: was a highly specific gift, highly specific. Anyone getting the
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: feeling that Christopher likes Laurel Oh, they may as well
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: just hit us over the head with a hammer. I mean,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Jesus talk about you know, that was subtle. I even
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: got your camera. I'm going I'm going to mock this scene.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I will mock this scene. I loved it because I
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: love Christopher love so yeah, that was pretty cool. And
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: then it kind of leaves us hanging like, what is
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: going you know what for me? It is? You know
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: what it is for me? And and I don't want
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to sound hypocritical because Luke isn't exactly the most aggressive guy,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you know, making a bee line to her door, like
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I I must have you. Uh, you know, at least
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: at least Christopher is doing something about it. But it's
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: like with Christopher, it's like, dude, you know, blank or
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: get off the pot. I mean, stop stop with this,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: you know the stuff. Just go get her, you know what,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: what is? What's up? You're in a relationship, you don't
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: live there, obviously you want her back, you know, just
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: go do it. Didn't he try to do it and
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: she got rejected. He tried to know, he tried to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: do it in season one, but when he tried to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: do it in season one and she said nap, sorry.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And I think they were even in the better because
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: he stayed up. He stayed over. Remember they hooked up
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: at the balcony Gilmore, It's like what on the balcony? Yeah,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: exactly right. And then he spends it like there's all
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: kinds of Yeah they have a complex relationship. Yeah, well
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: look he's he's the father of their child, of her child.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: What are you gonna do for me? I'm sorry that
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: scene was just so sappy. Uh, And I know people
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: love that stuff. I'm not a fan of SAP. It's
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: just love. I literally, yeah, that was just beyond beyond. Okay,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: So I made some notes that I just want to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: give to you guys and and get your thoughts. I'll
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: do fashion at the end. Um question, is that the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: first time we ever saw the gates of Chiltern, Parris
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: and Rory are walking. That looked like a new look.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It did look like a new location. I agree, Yes,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it did. It did look. It gave it some some scope,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you know, Okay, it us a different angle in the place.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: How about the tassel hat. Suki made a tassel hat
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: pretty amazing? Again, you know, I thought, wouldn't it be
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: wonderful to live in a place like that where everybody
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: knew each other and did things like that? You had
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: friends that did that kind of stuff for you, and
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: there's places like that and friendships like it. Isn't that wonderful? Uh?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Was anyone else totally panicked that Rory lost her backpack
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: when she came off the bus and into the park.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And then I was so grateful that they wrote a
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: line acknowledging where the backpack was that she put it
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: in a locker. Yeah, was I the only one just
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: getting real anxious, like where is her back? Did not
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: did not get anxious. I was too busy marveling at
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the Did they take those guys to New York City
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Washington swear part and film that little scene? No, they
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: couldn't know. But that is how I felt during the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: English tea circus. What a spread? What a spread? And like,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: let's yell at the server for the no doilies, I mean,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: for God's sake, amazing. Um. Let me see if I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: have a few other notes before we get to fashion.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I think those were other than you know. What I
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: thought was a little gross was the dude on the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: bus with his like, oh that was hysterical? Dipping? Is
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that called dipping? Spitting into the camp? Okay? Do you
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: want me to rattle it down? Do you want to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: like just amuse yourself. Do you want to try and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: participate in the fashion recap? Okay? If you If something
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: is a standout, you tell us. So here's were here
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: were my picksloraized red pants, Riley with the black flower
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: in the beginning. Yes, yeah, yeah, she looked good, right,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: yeah she did look good. Those parents made those were
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that's yeah, she looked good. I agree, and I still
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: think there was something new about the children sweater. Now.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Then she wore Lorea Lie I'm always like partial Lorea
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Lize fashion. That's really what I looked for. She wore
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: a blue sweatshirt with like an eagle on it, maybe
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: a butterfly, like a bird. It was very sparkly and
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: just super cool. Then there was one scene where she
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: had a crossbody bag. Did you notice that? I was like,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I want that bag now, thought that was amazing. Um,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I've got more Madonna sweatshirt? Did you notice she was
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: wearing a Madonna sweatshirt? At one point, Rory had a
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: gray hoodie that I thought was like super on point.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I thought the fashion in this
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: episode was a real step up from the week before. Definitely,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: she had an angel long sleeve sweatshirt on that one
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: scene whatever it was he said things said an angel
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: on it. Yes, that was super cool. She's she's a
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: she's a cool check. You know she dresses she dresses great. Yeah. Okay,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: So there were a couple of inconsistencies that I noticed
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: in the episode. There was a big ups with Rory
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: when she's sitting on the bus waiting for it to
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: leave to go back to Stars Hollow, and she's talking
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: with the guy sitting next to her right, and around
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: thirty seven she lifts her arm and you can see
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that she isn't wearing the cast. No no, sorry. Also
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: let me see in the cold open right in the beginning,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the fifties style vinyl chairs in Suki's kitchen were in
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Luke's diner a few episodes ago. Jess was sitting and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Rory was trying to tutor him and teach me tonight.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: So how did they end up in Sukise m hm.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: They both bought them at the local okay, from from
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: four to four. I think that it's probably worth noting
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: that Rory is making coffee in a French press, which
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: is pretty sophisticated for her girls, don't you think. Definitely
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: very much so. But they are coffee connoisseurs. And you
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: know the record store proprietor and I knew it was somebody,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And you'll help identify who this person is, the guy
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that had the line the proprietor, you know, the older
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: guy in the wig with the with the leather vest on,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: because he because he made a comment on who the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: who the record was and oh that band broke Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Okay, I'm with you. I'm up to speed now.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: It was none other than Chuck E. Weiss. Is that
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: who uh? Ricky Lee Jones is singing about Chuck E?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Because it's Chuck E like the letter, not Chucky like Chucky. Yes, yeah,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I wonder, Yes it is he is because here's the headline,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Chucky's in love. He was the subject. So that is
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the legendary Chucky. He helped launch the Viper Room in
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: l A on Sunset Strip with Johnny Depp. I've been
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: to the Viper Room many times. Whoa And he did
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. Hold on, are we sure that's him? You
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: are correct. Weiss appeared on a two thousand two episode
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of the series Gilmore Girls as the proprietor of a
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: New York City record store. He also did cameos in
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Um Married with Children, brotherly of Whoa And he died
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: in two thousand. Oh my god, he just died like
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: in last July. And he's so do yourself a favor
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and hit on the iTunes or however you listen to
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: your music. People not say iTunes, I do iTunes. Chucky's
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: in love because that was like the best song by
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Ricky Lee Jones. Do you know the song? I do
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: not know the song only Chucky. I know it's Chucky Cheese. Right.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: So the story is that he was on the phone
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: with Tom Waits and he was talking to Tom Waits
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: about being in love. Yeah, because Chuck in the Fall
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: of Seven, So so Ricky Lee Jones must have had
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a thing with Chucky. Maybe, So wait to put the
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: phone down and he announced to Ricky Lee Jones Chucky's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: in love. And did Ricky Lee Jones say, Okay, this
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: is making so much sense to me. Now I need
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: to find out if Ricky Lee Jones and Chucky Because
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: basically what happened is everyone was talking that Chucky's in
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: love and then Ricky Lee Jones reveals in the song
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: He's in love with the girls singing this song, did
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: we just like figure out a mystery from the seventies
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that no One. Wits worked as a dishwasher at the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Troubadour in West Hollywood, Um, and he met Ricky Lee
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Jones there and Tom Waits and they became Tom Waits
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and Jones became an item, and the three of them
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: became inseparable as they caroused through Hollywood, stealing law and ornaments.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: That's where that's wheremy got the thing. Uh. And pranking
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: people at music industry parties like shaking hands with dip
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: smeared in their palms. Okay, oh my gosh. And here's
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: a quote. It seems sometimes like we're real romantic dreamers
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: who got stuck in the wrong time zone, Jones told
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Rolling Stone in v. Nine, describing Weiss and Watts as
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: her family. At the time, they lived at the Tropicanum
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Motel on Santa Monico Boulevard. Um. I've gone down a
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: wormhole here that I'm not totally certain everyone listening cares about.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: But it is interesting, very interesting, great spots. No, no,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I agree. They can edit what they want. You can,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you can edit and whatever you want. Um, let me
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: ask you another question. Is this the first time we
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: knew laurea lized middle name is Victoria? And and forgive
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: me we maybe first time? First time I heard it
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: me too? Okay, great, glad to hear it. I'm ready
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: for the favorite lines because I've got mine. Who wants
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: to go first? Riley go ahead? Um? I highly related
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to this line. Laurel I says, my pursuit of higher
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: education hasn't led me to an interesting discovery about myself.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I despise academics, learning knowledge. It's all worthless. You want mine.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: It was my kindergarten salute to vegetables passion, and I
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: was broccoli and I did a tap dance with a
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: guy that was playing beats. It was kind of a
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: life lesson for me. That was amazing. And then the
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: other one that was so good is she goes through
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: her whole spiel to Richard and Emily and they say,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: we accept your terms. That we accept your terms. Yes,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that was funny, that was good. Yes, because we didn't
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: really talk about that, did we. Rory taking the bull
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: by the horns and and going over the going over
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and scheduling an afternoon or a midday t with Emily
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: and Richard to plead with them, or actually not plead
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: but just sort of gave them the information. You can
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: do with it what you will, no hard feelings. If
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you say no, we got it, but spelled it out,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: said you gotta. We'd like you to be there, and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I would be very nice if you were at the graduation.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And you know what could they say, like get off
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: your freaking high horse and go support your daughter. A
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: couple of snoots snooty tunes. Come on, get off your
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: high horse, snooty tunes. You did, although I'm proud of
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you because you said we were going to dig into
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: music more and really did. We really nailed it in
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: this episode not did not not live up to our
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: promise on that. Um, there's a great led Zeplin song
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: in here too, going what was it? Going to California?
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Ramble on not going to California, ramble on what a
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: great song? That song is so often played at my
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: high school parties. Everybody had a guitar and everybody's and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: ramble on. Everybody wanted to go to California, And I
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: think I think I'm the only one that did. Ma
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and me and one other guy was Stairway to Heaven
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: led zepone. Yeah, isn't it like an eleven minute song?
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I just remember that like its school dances. You were like,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I don't get stuck with someone, It's really not. It's
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: like kind of a doorway to hell if you're the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: wrong purpose karaoke Stairway in the in the music store
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: where I grew up, they were signs saying, you know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: they're guitars they were signed, saying no playing Stairway to
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Heaven because all the employees were sick of hearing it
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: because that's the only song that people were learning, and
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: they come in and play the guitars all day. Stay.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I give this double double double thumbs up. Listen. If
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it wasn't for if it wasn't for the guy with
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a spit can and the kids stuff, um and Seth
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: McFarlane and Alicia Bergman, I would have liked this episode.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: It far less. I mean I did. I did enjoy it.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of laughs out of Seth McFarland
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: and Alicia Bergman. Rory made me laugh. Um, you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: they're just there. Michelle made me laugh. He had a
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: great appearance and he they lorea. I asked him to
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: describe his high school friend graduation in France and the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: typical great response, Um and uh yeah. I don't know.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was that strong of an episode,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: but it's certainly it certainly moved the ball forward, didn't it.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: It's certainly um deep in some conflict. It's set up
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the next wave, which is going to be Jess and
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Rory and maybe Christopher and and Laura la and Lucan
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: and Laureli maybe getting back together. I mean, there's there's
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: a lot going on here. I described this episode as
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: like the crescendo, but but it's really laying the new
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: track down for uh, these narratives to continue. So it's
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: it was a necessary episode. It was entertaining as hell. Um,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: some awkward clunkiness in it, but overall, uh, pretty enjoyable
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: to watch and some really good belly laughs. I mean,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I did not know Seth McFarland was that funny. I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: had no idea. I just you know, I just but
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: why should I be surprised? He created this magical show
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: that's hysterically funny, right, I just didn't know that he
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: could perform that well as as a comedic actor, because
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: he really nailed that stuff, man, I mean he committed
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to those lines and so did that and that obviously
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: that Alicia Bergman was you know, you should try to
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: get her on. She was. She was great. I don't
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: know if her time's passed because this this is, but
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: she was. I mean she just fascinates me with that delivery.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: She's one of those, you know, naturally gifted people with that,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: with that delivery, who has the confidence is to lay
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: back on it and know how I mean she was
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: really funny. Um, when when everything out of somebody's mouth
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: is funny, then you've got something really special. So but
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: no terrific episode. All right, everybody, that's gonna wrap it
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: up for this episode. Uh, next week we're gonna get
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: into the season two finale, episode twenty two. I can't
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: get started. That is gonna put a cap on season
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: two and this is flying by or what. Wow? We've
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: been doing this for what less than a year and
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: we've already done season two. Huh. Anyway, thanks everybody, Thanks Riley,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks Amy. We'll see you next time. Best fans on
• 51:39
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