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Rival Neighborhood Newspapers in 2021 · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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This is a Bramble Jam podcast this week on your gabble gabble. If use
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somebody else's Facebook pictures to post in your newspaper, can they sue you?
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Well, you lost Judge Judy at Facebook. And if you claim your friend
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threw your dog out the window, but you say it's actually your kid,
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will Judge Alex let you off the leash? Real people cases, Hey,
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justice, this is your gabble gabbleof goof dog, goof dog kid? Dog
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kid? This is this. We're in dangerous territory because you should throw neither
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of those things out a window. No, no kid is being thrown out
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the work. Okay, okay, the claim is that the kid threw the
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dog out the Oh but the way, there's a misplaced modifier. What did
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I say you threw If somebody threw your dog out the window and you claim
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it was your kids, okay, that's fair. No, yeah, she's
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claiming dog, that's my baby. No, the lady is claiming that her
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kid did not her So gotcha? Okay, so I could see how you
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got there. Yours is a long boy. Yeah, and with this introduction,
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do you want to just get mine another way? It's a little bit
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of an appetite. I love that. Yeah, I was not intending on
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going to old Judge. Judy had an issue with Judge Hatchet's case moved over
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to Judy, And why didn't you just try to find another Hatchet. It's
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tough, Judge. Hatchets are like from like two thousand and two. They're
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an SD it's a lot. I think she was going for a lot of
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drama, like a lot of like high drama there, and I just I
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wanted something fun and I went to Judy and we do get Judy. Like
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what I'm loving about Judy more and more now is that she doesn't let them
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speak, but she goes on rants that make less and less sense. And
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this is a new boy. This is you know what. I was under
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the impression that Judy was retiring. Yeah, I keep hearing that Judy is
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not retiring. She got a deal with Amazon. This is crazy. She
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she needs to ret so it's going to be an exclusive deal with I think
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it's gonna be on IMDb, TV, gosh, Amazon. Also, how
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many people that watch ju Judient radular basis are gonna be able to find that?
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I don't know, But again, like you know, it had to
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be a good deal. She's the highest paid person on TV and she's so
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past her prime for this, it's ridiculous. The fact that she's moving to
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streaming now is fascinating. Yeah, yeah, sure for her, I guess
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yeah, God bless you. I mean, is she just gonna die on
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the bench? Yes, like middle of a case. Let me introduce you
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to Sonya Tattullian and David Demulay, Now David Demulay, it's spelled d mule
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d e M David Mule and the ed M scene like DJ. He's an
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old now. Sonia and David both live in the small suburb of Foothills,
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which is outside of LA and they both run local newspapers. They both run
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local newspapers Foothills. They both run local newspapers for Foothills in the Year of
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Our Lord twenty twenty one. They do that. They do that currently,
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so like yes, they both print separate they are competing, competing neighborhood and
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someone even say they are rivaling newspapers. Are they newspapers or are they like
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newsletters? Well, let me tell you. Sonya's is the Foothills Record,
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and it is released on the first of the month. For the entire month.
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It's released once and it's been released every month since twenty fourteen. And
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David runs the Foothills Paper, and the Foothills Paper is much more serious than
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the Foothills Record because it's released bi weekly since two thousand and four. So
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he's bringing seventeen years of running the Foothills. How much news is going on
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at the Foothills. You know what, I wish we got into that,
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and with a better judge we would have. We didn't. So Sonya is
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suing David for five thousand dollars for unauthorized use of photographs. Now, Sonya's
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claim is is that he posted pictures from my newspaper in his newspaper. And
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Judge Judy's like, well that's illegal. This is pretty simple. Show me
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the pictures. And Sonya has both papers. She brings them both up.
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There are pictures that are the same. She circles them. There's like eight
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different pictures and Judy says, okay, well these don't have a copyright next
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to them. But if you took him from a newspaper, then that's not
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okay. And David said, David is older, he's got a mustache,
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suit and tie, he looks like he's he's had a hard day at work
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all the time, but he's got a little smirk on his face, like
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he's just happy to be in the courtroom with Sonya. Like it's clear Sonya
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doesn't want to look at him, like she's just got blinders on. And
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David like is enjoying the fact that he's in the room with Sonya and he's
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getting a chance to rip her. Is this a Is he the one that
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does the one he does to twice twice? Yeah, twice a week,
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once every two weeks. Yes, bi Weekly's a tricky mistress. Yes,
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bye weekly twice a week or every other two weeks, that's right. His
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means every two weeks. So he says, I didn't get them from her
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paper. I got them from social media, from Facebook. And Judy's like,
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okay, well, if you see a picture in your Facebook, if
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it's not copyrighted, you know, can someone take that? Like, can
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someone do that? She asking? She asked that, okay, so we
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know we're in good hands. I feel like you should know this. So
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it's like, if it's on my page and I posted it, he cannot
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take it. And Judy's like, well, and David says, I didn't
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get it from her Facebook. Someone sent it to me. Someone sent me
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these pictures. And Judy's like, wait a minute, let's break this down.
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And then Sonya interrupts Judy and says, we suit each other in twenty
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seventeen yea, and Judy says, I don't care about twenty seventeen. But
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I do. I do. I do too. I care about the number
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of people reading the foothills competing papers and foothills. I also care about the
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case in twenty seventeen. She says, I don't care about old both these
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people they're old. Yeah, they're they're old. They they this is this
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is what they do. That's right, this is their thing. And and
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so she does, I don't care about twenty seventeen, and she and then
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Sonya interrupts her again and it says, but your honor, we we have
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an agreement that we can't use each other's pictures from that case. And Judge
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Judy's like, you have a contract, you have something in writing. So
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so just for an example, you and I are competing with for the Nickeltown
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paper Nickeltown News. I show up, don't. I don't hate it something
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happens, I gotta take a picture of it. Yeah. The agreement is
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if I take a picture of the like, you have to take your own
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events. I'm not giving you permission to use any pictures that I take of
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the events that are happening in Nickeltown. Okay, correct, That's exactly about
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it. So Judy says, do you have this in writing? David says
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no. Sonia stays silent, So there's nothing in writing that says this is
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true as a verbal handshake name. So then David gets these Facebook posts out
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and he says, if you can look, I've highlighted the person that has
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sent me this picture. And Judy says, so you're conceding that the pictures
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are the same in both papers. You didn't take them from the newspaper.
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He says, that is exactly what I'm conceding. In fact, my newspaper
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came out first. Okay. So Sammy send both people the same picture of
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something. No, no, no, Sonya posted pictures she took to her
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Facebook. Okay. He is claiming someone sent him those pictures from her Facebook
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page and you maybe missed the dig there, Sonya taking these pictures can only
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releases her paper once a month. David takes them and releases his paper before
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her paper. Why she's posting stuff on the internet before it comes, he
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says, her private Facebook page. She can do what she wants there.
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Judy says, all right, you're conceding they're the same pictures. She said,
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yeah, but they're from people on Facebook. You can see that they
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send it to me. And Judy shushes him and she's like, quiet,
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I'm trying to look. And she is really trying to figure out Facebook at
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this point. It's very difficult for her. And then it takes her.
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It's like a couple minutes of silence, and she's like not silence, but
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she's like talking but it doesn't make much sense. And then she's like,
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hey, this picture, like you just submitted this as evidence? Is this
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in her newspaper? Sonya? Is this in your newspaper? Sonya looks at
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it and she's like, no, that one's not in there. She said,
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why'd you submit this as evidence? And he said, because I just
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wanted you to see that people send it to me. Well, then she
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finds that the pictures that are Sonya's are screen shots, so no one's messaged
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them to David. Someone is taking a screen shot and sent the screen show
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of the pictures. So these are high quality screenshot of the picture with Sonya's
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full status above it. Now, Judy doesn't figure this out. She just
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goes, so, where did you show me the pictures that are the same.
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And while he's finding the pictures that are the same in both papers,
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Judy gives us a gives him a hard time and a story about how she
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thinks Facebook works. That's completely wrong. But she's like, if I get
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a picture from say Sarah Gluck, Sarah Gluck, I love her, Yeah,
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I love her. I love Sarah Gluck. Who does I love?
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I'm a baby. And she goes on this long trail about pictures being sin
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and if there're Glucks pictures and and none of it makes a bit of sense.
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She doesn't understand Facebook messaging. It doesn't make any sense. So I
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just want again, I just want to make sure that I'm clear here.
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Someone took a screenshot of her post with the pictures with the status. He
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yeah, with the status and then the pictures below it, that's right.
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And he then went in and I guess took a screenshot of the screenshot of
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the like cropped the pictures and posted them in this articles. Yeah, correct,
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yeah. Basically, Sonya says, no one's giving him these These are
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my Facebook posts, and David says, you're on her. She's blocked me.
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I don't have access to her Facebook. I don't have access to her.
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There's a mall. The only way that I can get these pictures is
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if someone sends them. There's a mall. Yeah. So, and then
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Judy goes, so, you posted these in your paper before her paper,
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so you didn't get them from her paper. He goes, I didn't.
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I sure certainly didn't get from the internets. And Sonya says, and not
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only did he use my pictures first, but then he took a jab at
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me in his paper. And Judy's like, what do you mean a jab?
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And listen to this. How can I get these papers? I mean?
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Is can they ship them to me? They had them in the courtroom.
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David, in his paper under Sonya's picture, writes, my former friend
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Sonya looks radiant. And Judy reads it out and he's just like this,
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He's just got a little smirk on his Is she in the picture? Yeah,
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she's in the picture. What is the event. What is just a
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story, some outdoor event. It's some outside thing that's going on. And
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he not only takes the pictures but says she looks radiant. But he claims,
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Look, they were sent to me, they weren't in a newspaper,
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they weren't copyrighted. I could use them. I love the I love the
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idea of you and I competing newspapers. We're both we're both doing an article
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on the fourth of July. And somebody sends me a screenshot of you and
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your family on the fourth of July, and I put it in my paper
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page. That's funny. I love this guy. Yeah, he's something.
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Judy doesn't, in my opinion, have nearly enough information or nearly a good
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enough grasp on Facebook. But she is ready to rule. Wow, I
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don't think he did anything wrong here, So no no money, She says,
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Uh, so you did? She says he did do something wrong,
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but it's not worth five thousand dollars two hundred and fifty that's it, with
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no more. What did he do wrong? Smirked? I what did you
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wrong? THO was worth two hundred and fifty dollars two hundred and fifty bones
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going to Sonia, I don't know. I don't know what did he say.
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I think the thing that tipped her over the edge to giving her money
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is is the pic. The screenshot that he was sent has her status in
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it, so it's not just pictures. It's this status where she says,
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I took these pictures at such and such at this place. It was such
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a fun time. That for Judy was enough to say that she has the
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copyright on this picture, which is not a fa. Facebook is public domains,
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it's not how Facebook works. But that was enough for Judy to give
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her two undred fifty dollars. Judy's dumb. Judy is dumb. Good for
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her, She's our homegirl. I want to introduce you to Judge Alex.
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Are you ready to just buckle up everybody? And I want to let you
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know if you are a dog lover, this might not be for you.
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It might be a tough one, but not like you were having a fun
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time over there with your headphones on. It's a tough go here over there,
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on, Judge Alex, I want to introduce you to Nicky Norman and
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her mom. It's a tough go here over there. On Judge Allice yeah,
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I believe you did. I want to introduce you to Nicky Norman and
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her mom, Nicole C. Mullens. No, Nicky Norman and her mom
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are there this day. They brought a lot of dog clothing with them for
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reasons we didn't get into, but they just wanted you to know that they
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loved their dog. They are suing for five thousand dollars. I believe it's
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two thousand of that is for the dog itself and three thousand is for pain
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and suffering. And then I'll introduce you to Amani Haynes. Boy. She
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is counter suing for four thousand and six hundred and twenty four dollars for rent,
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property damage, and defamation of character. This is gonna get good.
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Nicki starts off by saying, my living arrangement was kind of up in the
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air. I was going I lost my place and I was either gonna move
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in with my mom or I was gonna move into a home. I didn't
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know what I was gonna do, like a shelter. And she says that
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Amani, it was her friend, reached out to her, offered her a
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place to stay while she figured it out, doing her a solid and Nicki
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says, I had a dog named Zoe. Zoey was his tiny little terrier,
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a little miniature terrier. Absolutely loved her. Amani says that she also
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loved the dog. Okay, everybody in the house loves to dog. But
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who So Nicki said, uh, dog, that's what I was gonna do.
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But then like literally, someone did so I don't know if it was
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a good one. So Nicki said that she left for work one morning and
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when she got home, she knew something was wrong immediately because when she opened
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the door, Zoe didn't come a running, didn't come a running. Usually,
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every day she comes home, runs to her, they go out on
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a little walk, that's the routine. Not today, knows Zoe should be
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found, so she starts to panic, and she uh, called Pinky.
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Now, who's Pinky? Pinky's a mony that's a nickname for hermany and we
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will now call her Pinky from now on because that's far more fun. She
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says, where's Pinky? I'm sorry, Pinky, where's Zoe? Pinky says,
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I don't know, maybe under the bed. Maybe maybe maybe he's under
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the bed. The pinky She says that Pinky was taking a nap. Uh
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and was woken up by uh Nikki trying to find the dog, and Pinky's
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just like, maybe she's under the bed, and she's like, she's not
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out of the bed. So she starts to look everywhere. She goes outside.
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She sees some stuff of hers on the ground, some CDs, some
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coloring stuff like for art, okay, and she's like, that's odd.
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And she sees some blood. Oh boy. She looks up at the fourth
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floor where the where the where they live, and she's like, no,
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there's no way, there's no way that this happened. So she runs back
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up. She storms in. She starts freaking out. She starts yelling.
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Pinky says, Nicky was going nuts. She was screaming, she was cursing,
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and she was scaring my three year old son. Oh boy. Nicki
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said that, after, you know, yelling and trying to figure out what
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happens, she went down to scrape up some of the blood to take to
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the vets because they had some blood work done not too long ago, and
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he figured she figured if they could identify with the blood. I don't know
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if that's a full vet. I don't know vets repertoire, but you do
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anything when you when you're panicked like that, you think, think of some
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fun ideas like that. So she's scraping the blood. She has a friend
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with her who's getting gonna take her to the vet, and a maintenance worker
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comes out. Maynance worker doesn't speak very good English, but they're trying to
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talk to the maintenance worker and the maintenance worker understands the word doc and the
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maintenance worker goes, oh, doggy out the window is what they say.
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I want to make that clear. That's what they say, doggy out the
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window. So he then says, follow me that. The maintenance worker takes
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them to the super. The super is like, you're not gonna want to
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see this, but we got it on surveillance camera. Oh boy, And
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we do see the surveillance video and you see this object fall to the ground,
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not move, and then you see a person come up to it.
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And who is that person? Dan Pinky? Pinky Pinky's like, yes,
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yes, that was me. Let me explain. So that morning I was
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getting ready to go out with my son. I had a big day.
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I had to go and do this test for recertification. I don't know what
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she was getting recertified for, but she had some sort of thing that she
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had to get to that day, and she grabs her son. She's like,
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let's go, and the sun goes the dogg he's outside, and Pinky
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goes, the dog's not outside. We didn't let the dog out, And
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so she goes out into the courtyard and sure enough she sees the dog lying
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there and she goes, oh, well, that's not good. So she
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starts to freak out a little bit because she realizes that her son through the
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dog out the window. So she goes to pick up all the other random
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stuff that her son had thrown out the window that morning, and then covers
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up the dog and then realizes that she can't go get help because they aren't
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supposed to have dogs in the apartment in the first place. So she can't
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go to the supervisor. She can't go to whoever. They're not supposed to
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have dogs in the first place. Her lease was she was about to renew
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her lead. She didn't want to be kicked out, and so she's faced
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with a dilemma dan and so she calls up Nicki to try to get a
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hold of her. He goes straight to voicemail. Voicemail mailbox is full oh,
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NICKI confirmed those things. NICKI doesn't confirm that. I mean she if
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her phone was off, I don't think no, if she'd get a miscall
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or whatever. But she said she couldn't get a she couldn't get a hold
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her. Judge Alex says that if you tried to call and tell her,
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why is it when she showed up later in the day you lied about it,
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right, And she says, well, NICKI was very getting very upset.
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She was getting a little violent. I was trying to protect my son.
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She ran in here getting a little violent. She's getting a little violence.
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She's like the little tussle, a little tussle. There was some slapping
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going on, she slaps. We don't know. She says, a little
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violent. I'm reading it into it at this point. And so Alex says,
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so it went the voicemail and you just stop trying to reach her for
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the rest of the day. She's like, I had stuff to do.
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I had to go get the recertification. Judge Alex says, what did you
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do with the dog? And she says, I tried. I went down,
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I got a trash bag. I put it in a trash bag,
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and then I tried to find my friend who also lives in the apartment to
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keep an eye on the back, and my friend wasn't there, and so
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I put it in the trash can, the old dumpster. And this is
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when Nicky freaks out in the courtroom, freaks out about not being able to
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bury her dog, freaks out about how if you watch the video, there's
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an ac unit right outside the window. Her son isn't tall enough, he's
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only three to pick up a dog over his head and throw it like she's
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getting little dog but still a little three year old getting it over it fitting
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it. They have bars outside the window so to get the dog in the
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proper like. She starts giving these theories like how it couldn't possibly be the
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sonoo, there's another shooting us exactly right. If you heard it, you
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heard it over here, but the building's over there, so it's possible.
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It's possible that he was at least a part of it. But there's no
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shoot. There's another shooter. I mean. Also, the way that the
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blood splattered, it splatter doesn't doesn't add up, doesn't add up at all.
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From what do you think about it? I think so you think there's
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another shooter. No, gosh, I was so excited that finally you had
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a conspiracy you were into. No, it all makes sense. So uh,
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she's freaking out, and Judge Alex says, I understand, calm down,
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sit down, sit down right now. And so she she Uh,
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Alex says Pinky, after you called her and couldn't leave a voicemail, why
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didn't you just text her and tell her, hey, come home, something
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happened with the dog. And Pinky says, my text weren't working, My
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text weren't Oh, she's just a liar. She's a liar, liar,
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and Judge Alex is ready to roll. Just a lying liarson is what she
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is. So dog to remind you, it's two grand for the dog,
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three grand for pain and suffering. Can he go over that? No?
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Five thousands of five k for nicky other suit countersuit is absolutely tossed out the
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window. Give her all five thousand dollars and throw Pinky in jail with the
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brain. She's not gonna get thrown in jail. This is that type of
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throw the book at her, Alex. Um. Judge Alex says, you're
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the biggest liar I've ever seen. I was trying to go along with you.
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Like, man, it's impressive that this dog fit I mean, this
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kid fit a dog through the bars, but I guess it's possible. But
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I like, and then you just threw the dog in the trash, knowing
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full well how much your friend loved the dog. I can't believe that you're
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blaming your son like you're using your son and blaming him. You're an animal
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and your counterclaim is garbage. Now for the money, Judge Alex says,
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don't do it, Alex. You you didn't prove that Pinky did it actually
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throwing the dog out the window. There's not enough proof there. There's proof
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that she was there picked it up, not enough proof suffering. So he
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says, I'm gonna give you pain and suffering, but I'm gonna give you
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five thousand dollars of pain and suffering. So he does give her the full
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amount, but just in a Judge Alex type of way. That's exactly right.
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I love it. He says, I'm gonna give you bonus pain and
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suffering because the countersuit is such garbage. I love it. And that is
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Judge Alex. Did you get any sort of after after court? No,
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it went straight to the voicemail. Yeah, no, voicemail is full.
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Voicemail is full. Man, that is Pinky's the worst. She's the worst.
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Say what you will, Pinky is the worst. Did your kid ever
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throw stuff out the window? Oh? My kids destroyed all kinds of stuff,
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but not a dog, not a living thing. I mean maybe a
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bu bug, but you know right, yeah, it's a bolt. It's
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Bold's dog. I mean that's I will say this my kid. If the
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dog was like, what kind of dog was it? Again, it was
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a terrier, but it was a miniature. My three year old could pick
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up a terrier. Yeah, no questions asked that dog a little care and
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terriers are what like nine pounds ten pounds, Like my three year old could
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do that. But again, like it there there is a lot, there's
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some finesse there, there's other things happening that probably can and we didn't get
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into this, but but Nikki believes that if you, like, if you
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watch a video, don't you don't see other stuff being thrown. So she
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her whole thing when she was going off on this saying she's like, uh,
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this was all stage, like she brought down stuff, but you don't
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see that on the video O here, you don't see her throat putting stuff
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out there, So I don't struggle was Pinky's motive Initially, I don't know
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what Pinky's motive is. I saw Pinky's motive live. They were yes,
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bonkers, bonkers three on course, Yeah, this is crazy. They just
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kept coming out for more. People were leaving. But they did cancel the
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meat and green. It's wild and that I mean it was. He played
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for five hours, no meet and Greek. It's unbelievableble and so you can
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either have four hours and a meet and green and five hours five hours of
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music. So I mean they did a vote, Yeah, as we can
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do one more encore. Some artists that I would take that, actually,
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yeah, Billy Joel, like, I'd just rather him play for five hours.
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Yeah, I'd love to meet him, but I'd rather him play for
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five hours. They did, They did a vote. They did a vote,
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and people voted for this. Say guys, we're done with this encore.
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We're gonna go back here. Text in to two nine, three four
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four a song or dance dance was are you say about Pinky's motive? They
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are for the people, They're for the people and they are very like they're
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very organized like they had. Yeah, and I think that's a bed too,
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because every every city is different. Every city is different. Some cities
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you may want to meet and great, yeah, you never know. But
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I just couldn't figure out why she would do something this. She loved the
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dog. But everything adds up, the video, the bars, all of
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it adds up to me. She's a liar, Liarson. That's what she
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liar Liarson. We did everybody congratulation, all right, Next we go with
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