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09 - Ferne McCann talks motherhood, breathwork and perimenopause · The Dr Louise Newson Podcast

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So, Fern, welcome. Thanks so much for coming today.
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Thank you for having me. Oh, it's.
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Great. Like what you're doing, how you
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are like, so much has been happening, hasn't it really for
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you. I just really keen to hear first
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about what you've been doing with Dancing on Ice, how you got
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so bit with it all. And you know, it's so easy for
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us to sit at home and watch people do it, but it's
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physically very demanding, isn't it?
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Exactly that I think that watching the show free,
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embarking on my doubts and a nice experience.
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I think I really took for granted how much work goes into
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it. You know, you turn on the TV,
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you tune into the show, you're voting for your your favorite
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couple, you know, Oh, that's good.
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Or even like when I used to watch it, I'm like, Nah, they
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could have done better. But honestly, I was I was in
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shock. I know this sounds really silly,
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but I, I obviously knew that I was going to have to learn how
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to ice skate, but I, I didn't appreciate how difficult it was
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going to be. It was such a challenge, which I
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love. I love a physical challenge and
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it ticks so many boxes for me. But it was so hard and I
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consider myself to be quite competitive and I really
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struggled with learning that new skill and I was really
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frustrated because I just felt so rubbish.
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Have you never? Ice skated before.
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I have. I have done like parties and
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things like that. Actually I had an ice skating
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injury when I was like 8. Some boy was kicking the ice and
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his ice skate ended up in my leg and it was my first experience
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of A&E, first experience of having stitches.
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It was all quite traumatic but it didn't put me off.
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Eventually going to do Dunstone and ice.
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But anyways, Fast forward so many years, the old Christmas
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and Winter Wonderland and that sort of thing, taking the
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children. But no, I couldn't ice skate.
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Wow. Yeah, it was.
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It was hard, but it was such a fantastic experience because
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like I said, I really like to have a focus and especially when
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it's teaming. I love making TV and I love
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anything sporty. So combining the two and then it
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was, it was perfect timing because I just made the the huge
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decision to finish my reality show after seven years last
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year. And it was just so wonderful to
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walk into such an incredible production.
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Wow, amazing. And I think it, I don't know
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whether it's a female thing, but so much in life we get set up to
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fail. It's almost like we can't be
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successful as women. And if there's something that's
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a barrier or something that's difficult to do, it can be
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really difficult. But then when we do it, it's
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even better. Almost.
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Oh, so rewarding, so rewarding. And I think like thinking about
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the successes that I've had with, with stuff that's been
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difficult, like giving birth or SASI know they're like 2
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completely different things, but both I had to do some sort of
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work And, you know, leading up to it, it was yeah, they were
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challenging. But I, I really step up to that
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challenge. And I feel like I don't know if
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it's because I've come from this reality star.
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Well, yeah, being a reality star and reality background that I've
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almost got like a point to prove.
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I, I, I just really just get focused and just get on with it.
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I mean, I didn't do very well on Thompson and Ice, but that
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alone, it was still four months of training and.
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But you enjoyed it. I really, I think I really
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enjoyed it. I was out week 3 and I was
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devastated. You know, I even said on live
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TVI was so gutted because it was the first show that my daughter,
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who's 7, my eldest daughter, it, it's such a family show, so
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everyone could come and watch and I really poured my heart and
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soul. So yeah, it it ended prematurely
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for me, however, it was amazing. But you don't regret it.
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No, no, don't regret it. However, a few weeks after
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leaving the show, I went to a rollerblading children's
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rollerblading party with my daughter, and she was like, come
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on, I don't want to go on by myself.
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And I was like, I quite fancy myself at this.
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I've just done four months ice skating.
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I'm going to absolutely boss it. It was like slapstick comedy.
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I fully stacked it in this public rollerblading disco, went
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down and fractured my wrist. Oh.
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No. Yeah, it's like, it's like
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training for a marathon and stepping outside your front door
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and tripping out. So yeah.
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And then I wasn't able to then ice skate on the final of go of
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Dancing on Ice. And for me, right, that was just
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a real, it was, it felt like I had closure to my dancing and
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ice experience because I was like, oh, why did I leave so
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early? I was enjoying it so much.
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And then when that injury happened, it was like a sign to
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say maybe you're not meant to do ice skating and we're just like
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saving you from is that interesting?
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I know, really interesting. So it was.
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It was a silver lining. So, but you probably learn quite
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a lot about yourself. I think when you push yourself
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out to things that are uncomfortable or things that you
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don't expect that you're going to be good at, it doesn't matter
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that you didn't win. To actually just get out there
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and learn so much so quickly in four months.
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Yeah. It's phenomenal, isn't it?
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And I think so often I think so. She's a mother with children.
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It's so easy to almost hide behind the children or think I
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can't do this and make excuses or I'm too old, I'm too unfair,
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I'm too whatever, whatever we do.
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So actually for you to just have that message that actually you
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can do it and you can do it for yourself as well.
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Exactly. It's powerful and I think that
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we are so frequently saying to our children, encouraging them
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to try new things, you should do it.
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Like I'm always saying to Sunday my daughter like try this.
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I mean that's she does so many clubs.
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It's actually a joke. She's only in year 2.
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She does karate. She does sewing club, she does
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swimming, you know, everything, tennis, gymnastics.
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And I'm like, try it, try it. And she's reluctant all, but I
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feel nervous and I'm like, you're going to enjoy it.
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But then when we become adults, it almost stops.
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Yeah, absolutely. And what I have taken from
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Dancing on Ice is exactly that, to try and to lean into that
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uncomfortable state to like really push yourself.
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And because I was out week 3 and had time to spare, so to speak,
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I was like, right, I've always wanted to play tennis.
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I've always been quite sporty, but that was one that I wasn't,
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I didn't actually really play in Now Sunday plays and she's
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really good. My dream is just to, you know,
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whether we're on holiday or whatever, it's a nice sunny days
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to play tennis with her. So I was like, right now, this
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is my time to just do it because when do we think let's just book
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the lesson or say if you want to learn how to sing or whatever it
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is like, and especially being a mother, we prioritise our
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children and we don't get those opportunities.
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So it's definitely taught me to just, if you've got a hobby or
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you've always dreamt of doing something, just RIP the Band-Aid
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off and text the tennis coach and booking the lesson.
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Is so important actually, but I think when you're you've got the
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children clearly they're a real priority, but somehow the focus
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gets taken away from us as individuals like no one has ever
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said to my husband, how do you cope working full time with
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three children like no one but the number of people that have
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said to me and it's like hang on actually have I not got an
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identity? Is it not OK for me to work?
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Is it not OK for me to be a role model for my children because my
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time is very limited because you have to take them to places or
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organise whatever or cook for them and do everything else.
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If I've got a spare 10 minutes, I will be really hyper focused
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and send 1000 emails or how more productive and I will.
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And I've certainly, I know that I'm a better multitasker because
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I've got children, if you see what I mean, 100.
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Percent definitely. I, I think when you become a
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mum, like if that's what you want to be and it's just being a
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mum, that's fine. Like that is, that's great.
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And if that's your, if you feel that that's your purpose, like
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how wonderful for me, I wasn't overly maternal before I had
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Sunday and I really had to learn how to become a mum.
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But at the same time and I, I'm, I don't have any qualms in
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saying this, but I, I don't want to just be a mum like I, I want
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to, I love the juggle. Like I really, I thrive on that.
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You know, I always used to say, oh, I'm spinning so many plates
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and I always smash one, but I like 1.
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Yeah, well. About 10 in my life, but no,
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it's like I love, I love that juggle.
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Like that's how I feel valued and that's how I, I, I really
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thrive and I, I love that. Like, yeah, that's how I feel.
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Like I, if I'm, if I'm not working then I feel like I'm not
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being a good a good mum if I'm if I'm not, I like having the
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balance of both. Yeah, it it certainly keeps your
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mind really sharp and focused. And even people who are stay at
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home mums, it's not stay at home.
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Put your feet up. It does.
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And you hate that term. Yesterday.
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It's awful. I really do, because I think, I
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think all mothers, whatever you choose to do, I just think
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they're superheroes. You know, it's, it's a tough
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gig. Yeah, yeah, it's a.
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Tough gig. So I I hate that term.
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Stay at home, mum. Yeah.
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Precisely. So why does anyone have to stay
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at home anyway, whether they're a mum or not?
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But yeah, totally. And, and you know, but I see a
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lot of women who in the clinic, obviously, I see a lot of more
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women who are perimenopausal and menopausal.
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So their hormone levels are fluctuating, they're reducing,
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but increasingly I'm seeing younger people who have hormonal
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changes. But so many women say to me, do
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you know what? I felt amazing when I was
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pregnant, Like the best ever. If I could bottle up that
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feeling, I would do it again. And I saw someone recent, my
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clinic who's had really bad depression, no mood because of
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her low hormones. She's 56.
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And she said, my husband's even talking about me going to
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fertility clinic abroad because I just want to get pregnant.
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I can't carry on living like this, which is awful.
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And I was like, well, actually, I can give you hormones.
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You don't have to get pregnant for that, but when I was
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pregnant three times I was very lucky.
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I had lots of help in the NHS. I still had a midwife, I had a
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health visitor, I saw a guy in a college or an obstetrician.
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Like, everyone was just really lovely educating me and it was
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only nine months, but no one really prepared me for like
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afterwards. Like what happens when the
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hormones go off a Cliff when you have the baby and prepare you
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for the future. I know you've had two pregnant.
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Like will you talk much about hormones and how they work in
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our bodies? You know, my first pregnancy was
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quite unique because I had experiences in my personal life
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that potentially might have overshadowed any sort of hormone
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change or imbalance. And I think after Sunday was
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born as well, like, I really was in a state of fight or flight,
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and she was the light at the end of the tunnel.
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She was such a wonderful, wonderful focus.
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I experienced a really good pregnancy with both of my girls.
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But yeah, I think talking about hormones, I'm fascinated by
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them. And with Finn T and what I went
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through with Sunday, I'm really interested in.
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I believe that the first nine months of our lives in the womb
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play a massive part of who we are and how our life begins.
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And I don't think we talk about it enough.
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I don't know enough about it, but I, I feel it and I sense it
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with my girls. And you know what I went through
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and pregnancy and everything like that and I, I'm just really
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interested in it. And when I then found out that I
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was pregnant with Finty, I really wanted to dedicate time
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to learn about what my body was going to go through with birth.
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And I was really set on having a home birth and really interested
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in how I can get myself in that calm meditative state to have
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the most positive birth. I know birth, you can't, you can
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only plan so much because birth can be unpredictable.
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But to put myself in a place that is at my optimal.
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So I did hypnobirthing and learnt about oxytocin and what
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blocks oxytocin, which is adrenaline and what happens to
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our bodies when we're when we're stressed, we tense and then when
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we tense, we don't relax, which opens our cervix and the dilates
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and everything like that and breath work.
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And then I was exploring how we can boost our oxytocin.
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I had an amazing and I have to say this only because I've I've
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spoke about my birth publicly before and I really, really
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understand by the way that it is it can be a really sensitive
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subject for a lot of mothers. And I really just want to say
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like, this isn't me boasting at all.
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Like I don't want people to think, all right, you had a
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lucky was lucky for you and everything.
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But the same time, I feel like it's important that I share this
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experience to let expectant mothers know that it is possible
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to have like a really beautiful experience.
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Yeah, positive experience. And I think that we hear a lot
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about the negative experience, and you don't want to take that
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away from those that want to share that.
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But I also think it's equally important that you hear like the
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positive ones so you're not super scared.
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Because when we're scared, again, we freeze and we tense
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and it leads to intervention. So I just simply understood the
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hormones and what I needed to do to boost the oxytocin.
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And that was being at home. That was I even had my my little
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cockapoo there. I mean, if that's not oxytocin
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levels, like boosting, stroking my cockapoo like she was there
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at the birth and it was very calm and a really amazing
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experience. And like I said, euphoric and
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sort of out of this world, although like the midwife, she
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wasn't going to make it on time. It happened so quickly.
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We had to have an ambulance. So I just want to like there was
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there was there always has to be something that didn't go to
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plan. Soon as the the paramedics
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walked in, I just like I'd done this big breath and Finty Finty
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arrived. So yes, it, it was really
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interesting for me to like find out, OK, we, we have control
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over. Yeah.
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Or do we? I don't like.
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Well, no, I think it's very interesting because oxytocin is,
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is a, is the sort of love hormone, if you like.
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It's the hormone that we've secrete when we have a nice hug.
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Where we. Feel happy.
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It's that sort of warmth, happy feeling.
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And it's, it's a hormone that's so under researched.
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You know, I was asking my husband the other day, what do
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you know about oxytocin? He's a doctor.
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He said, oh, it's associated with milk production.
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It's when the milk comes in for the woman.
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It's like, right, you're so simplistic.
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It's more than that, actually. Yeah, but we don't.
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So much about hormones has been stripped away because everyone's
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scared of hormones. You say hormones and everyone
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thinks, oh, it's HRT, it's something terrible, it's breast
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cancer. They don't realise we produce
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hundreds of hormones in our body.
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They all work very closely together and oxytocin is just
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another hormone, but it's a really important hormone.
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Like how do we get more naturally in our body?
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Why do some people have more than others?
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Like why aren't we researching this?
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Because I think it's so important because there's
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nothing wrong with feeling calm, loved, warm, you know, even if
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we're just loving ourselves, that's a really good place to
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be. And so, and then what you're
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describing with the adrenaline, the cortisol, the noradrenaline,
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that balance of hormones. So all our hormones work
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together. They don't work in isolation,
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which some people think, you know, they all work very closely
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together, but also, you know, we can control some of them
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ourselves. So what you're describing,
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whether it's birth or a stressful experience,
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controlling your vagus nerve with your calm breathing is
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really crucially important. Anything that's going to switch
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off the cortisol, adrenaline boost, any calming natural
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hormone, you know what I mean? And so I know I do quite a lot
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of yoga, and when I'm feeling a bit nervous, I just focus on my
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breathing. Nice.
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It's something we can control ourselves.
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Yeah. You know, there's so much
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extending we can't control. Yeah, but the.
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Breathing. Getting that vagus nerve going,
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our autonomic system is really important, so I think.
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I think that's so cool because breath, the power of breath, is
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accessible to everyone. Because it is.
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And it's like something that isn't taught.
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It's not taught and it's really undervalued.
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Exactly. That's what makes it so.
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Powerful. Yeah.
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So that skill, it's, you know, that's why you're talking about
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your birthing story. It doesn't really matter that it
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was you've been pregnant, it could be any other situation.
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And the more. We think about our breathing.
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It's so important and it's been ignored for so long because in
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medicine we always want like a new drug to prescribe and we
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forget the fundamentals that we can do without medication.
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That's going to help us mentally and physically.
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And breathing doesn't sound very exciting, does it?
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But as you probably learn, it's so powerful and so important.
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So powerful. I learned about breath work
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through hypno birthing and how it changes to you know, your
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deep breaths and in and out and then to the the panting because
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I was like adamant. I didn't want to tear with
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someday. I had to have stitches.
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And then with Finty, I was like the panting when, when the head
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is crowning and then you change to the and then I then didn't.
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And then I, I, I so vividly remember this like big just felt
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like a big crescendo that I just then and then fully surrendered
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and let go like in one big breath.
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And she was here. And the difference with with
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Sunday, I fully, fully pushed and it was like so much force
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and. Probably all in your throat.
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Yeah, exactly. So super into breath work and
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the and the power of. It and I hope you carry it on.
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Yes, for sure. And like, I feel anxious and and
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stressed at times and yeah, like always tune into my breath and
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begin to meditation and yeah, yeah.
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It's, it's so important. My eldest daughter's a
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trombonist and spends a lot of time talking about breath work.
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And the more she learns, the more we talk about it.
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And you know, it's, it's just fascinating.
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But we just don't, we do too much mouth breathing.
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We, we shallow breathe and we're worried like you say, our
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breathing becomes faster and faster, which switches on more
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of our stress and and then you know, the way our other
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hormones. So when we have low
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progesterone, we have more cortisone as well.
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So we have more stress hormone when people don't have the right
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hormones. So within perimenopause also
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post natally, you know, we have really high levels of estradiol,
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progesterone and even our testosterone increases and then
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it falls off a Cliff and when we have a baby.
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So, Doctor Louise, tell me, right.
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I feel like I don't want to use this as like AGP session, but
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perimenopause, Yeah, I'm 35 this year.
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I don't know a lot about it. I hear, I hear about.
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It's such a buzzword, because it is.
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So what? Yeah.
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Am I going to experience it or does everyone experience?
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Well, most people do, yeah. Or is it just straight into
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menopause? Most people are perimenopausal
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but don't realise it so it's it's the whole thing is
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ridiculous because menopause. If you look it up, it means a
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year since your last period. Is that what it is?
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That's all it. That's what it.
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Means a year since. Yeah, which is absolutely
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ridiculous. Like why do we wait a whole year
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after our period to go and talk to someone and it you know, it,
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I don't quite know who decided that.
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But menopause is really what happens is our own hormones that
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are produced in our ovaries decline because we get older and
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we only have so many hormones, so many eggs in our in our
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ovaries. But these hormones are also
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produced in our brain, in our adrenal glands and other tissues
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as well. So but they don't usually just
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decide to switch off overnight. The only reason they do that is
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if someone has their ovaries removed and then they have a
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surgical menopause. But for most of us, as we get
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older, our hormone levels are just declining, but they go in a
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very chaotic decline. So they don't just go down in a
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nice smooth line. They're up, down, up, down, up,
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down. We don't get it easy.
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No, we don't. It's.
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Absolutely all for So for lots of women, perimenopause, this
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chaos of hormones can actually trigger a lot more symptoms than
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menopause because because our body likes everything the same,
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you know, likes us to go to bed the same time, get up the same
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time, eat regularly, you know, just, and so you can imagine
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hormones in our brain going up and down.
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A lot of people have low mood, low energy, they feel irritable,
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they feel angry, they feel low in their mood, reduced self
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esteem, brain fog, memory problems, but that's not related
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to periods. So a lot of people thinking,
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well, maybe I'm depressed, maybe I can't cope with life, maybe
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I'm stressed. And it's not until they have
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their hormones back that you realise, oh gosh, actually it
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was related to my hormones. So and there isn't a test.
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You can't just go and do a blood test or a saliva test or a urine
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test. It's more about the woman
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knowing her body and knowing these symptoms that are
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occurring are not normal for me. And they're often associated
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with some physical symptoms like palpitations.
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Sometimes people get flushy sweats, but sometimes people get
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dry skin, they get hair and nail changes.
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They might get some harm, heartburn or some reflux.
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And so when you sort of tease it together, you can sort of join
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the dots and go. I wonder if it's related to my
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hormones? So just some women go like, do
22:49
they? Is it like misdiagnosed?
22:52
Yeah, all the time, often. So we see people that come to
22:56
our clinic and they've been seeing cardiologists for their
22:58
palpitations, right. They've been seeing
23:00
psychiatrists for their low mood.
23:02
They've been seeing bowel specialists for their irritable
23:05
bowel symptoms. They've been seeing
23:07
dermatologists for their skin. They've had urinary tract
23:10
infections and they've and no one's like worked out.
23:14
Oh, maybe it's related to your hormones.
23:16
And a lot of people, it's that dip that they naturally have
23:20
before their periods. They can get some symptoms.
23:23
So that's PMS, premenstrual syndrome or PMDD is the most
23:26
severe form premenstrual dysphoric disorder.
23:28
But also post Natalie, you've got a massive drop of hormones.
23:31
Yeah. And so that's a little window of
23:33
how people often feel, but they think it's because they're
23:37
tired, they're not sleeping, they've got a baby.
23:38
It's all very stressful. But actually it can be related
23:41
as well. But the problem is people don't
23:44
talk about it enough. They don't share their stories
23:47
and experiences. And then it's almost like, oh,
23:49
it's normalised, it's just something that will happen to
23:52
us, but we shouldn't be suffering if there's and we just
23:55
replace with missing hormones. It's very easy.
23:57
Treatment post pregnancy. Sometimes a post pregnancy it
24:02
just stopping that you know but because.
24:05
I agree with you. I feel like it's like after
24:10
after giving birth, I experienced that really low mood
24:14
and really emotional, especially when my milk come in.
24:18
It wasn't really baby Blues as such, but I definitely noticed
24:22
that sort of like one minute I was feeling like super in the
24:26
baby bubble and then it was like, whoa, I'm really
24:29
emotional. I'm really like really sad.
24:31
But I agree. I just thought, oh, this is part
24:34
of the process and do people want to sort of like alter that
24:43
or change because, you know, I, I sort of feel like, oh, the
24:47
same time I don't want added hormones.
24:48
Is this just what my body is meant to go through and just let
24:51
nature take its course? Yeah, it depends how bad it is.
24:54
Sometimes it's only for a few days, fine.
24:56
But for many women you know, post Natal depression is very
24:59
common. It's one of the commonest causes
25:01
of death actually in young women is suicide from post Natal
25:05
depression. And those people when they have
25:07
very low hormones, take longer to get up then giving back
25:10
natural hormones different to contraception can be really
25:12
transformational. But a lot of people don't join
25:15
the docs in medicine, so these people are having
25:17
antidepressants or whatever. So there's so much we need to
25:20
do, but the first thing is just talking about it and allowing
25:24
women to understand what's going on with their bodies.
25:26
I have to admit my community midwife and the health visitor
25:30
were incredible. Yeah, they were, yeah, asking
25:34
all the right questions and I felt very supported.
25:37
Good, I feel. Like they want you to win and
25:40
like they want they're there to help so.
25:43
Absolutely. So before we finished, you've.
25:47
You've told me at the beginning you've got two children and
25:49
you're stuffing. I said that when I was 35.
25:51
Yeah, my 40th birthday. I found out I was pregnant with
25:54
my third. So let's say you're never.
25:57
Could you surprise you? Well, yeah, So what, what?
26:00
What have you got? What's your next focus?
26:01
What are you up? To so yeah, my sensible head is
26:04
like, OK, no more babies. I don't feel done, but I've got
26:09
my 2 girlies and yeah, I, I, yeah, am I done?
26:13
I don't know. But lots of really exciting
26:15
projects. Obviously I finished the reality
26:17
show last year to just explore other passions.
26:21
So we've got a brand new podcast launching called Every Cloud.
26:26
Exciting, really exciting. I can't wait because this is the
26:30
the first time that I've hosted podcasts alongside brands.
26:35
But this is like my, yeah, my advice.
26:38
Any advice Louise, that you can? Give me do you know what?
26:40
I love my podcast, but I love being able to choose guests, be
26:43
really selective and you're in control as well, which is really
26:46
good. Yeah, enjoy it super excited
26:49
about that It's sharing insights.
26:53
I've, I've had therapy for seven years and had a real
26:56
transformation and been on a journey of healing and just
27:00
chatting about real life problems and having their silver
27:03
lining moments, speaking to, to all sorts from professionals in
27:08
their field to celebrities and yeah, normal, normal people.
27:13
So really excited for that. And we are, we're about to
27:18
launch a digital food show, which is really exciting and
27:23
just looking forward to this year to, yeah, like I said,
27:27
explore different passions. And it's, I'm not saying that,
27:31
you know, the reality show, it was a lot.
27:34
It was about our, our personal life.
27:37
And it was time to close the chapter, close the door on that
27:40
chapter. So just so excited to try new
27:43
things this year. Exciting.
27:45
Yeah. So just before I end I always
27:47
ask for three take home tips. Oh wow.
27:50
So I'm going to ask you three things that you think our
27:53
listeners could could do this easy if they're thinking, oh, it
27:58
all sounds great, but I haven't got the confidence.
28:00
So I don't know how to do something new.
28:02
If they want to do a new challenge, whether it's a mental
28:05
challenge, a physical challenge, What are the three tips that you
28:08
think would be easy so then to think?
28:11
OK, my first one is about fitness and it is to really just
28:17
try a few things to see what you like because I think we see so
28:22
much on social media and I know there's this big sort of like
28:28
everyone seems to be doing reformers on my discovery feed.
28:31
I don't know, you know, reformers fellatis.
28:32
Obviously it's having its moment and it is good, but I think that
28:36
my sister loves that, whereas me I need something a bit more
28:39
fast-paced. So if you want, if you want to
28:42
get fit and you want to keep active, find something that you
28:45
love. For you.
28:46
I hate doing spin classes, but I absolutely love going out and
28:50
getting the steps in so that it doesn't.
28:53
You don't have to go and run a marathon to have success in
28:56
fitness. Just find something that you
28:58
really enjoy. Oh, the pressure.
29:01
I'm on the spot. OK I'm a massive massive foodie
29:06
and a big tip would be to not cut out food groups and again
29:13
the things that you love. Like I am struggling with this
29:18
whole Ozempic, you know, skinny jab thing at the moment.
29:24
I get that it works for some people and that's absolutely
29:27
fine. But for me, like if you were to
29:29
tell me that I would be suppressing my appetite and I
29:33
can't eat, I'd be like, what? That is my joy taking away.
29:36
So I don't like to cut out any food groups and everything in
29:41
moderation. So I would say like Monday to
29:45
Friday I eat healthy and clean and then the weekend I like to
29:50
have a treat. It is difficult with the girls
29:52
because Sunday is very beige. She loves the chicken Nuggets
29:56
and chips. Finty.
29:57
I'm like trying to undo all the wrongs that I've done with
30:00
sundae and she's having like all her veggies and really, really
30:04
nutritious. But I would just.
30:06
Be. Trying to give as much.
30:08
I kind of like healthy swaps. So if you want to have a fake
30:14
away, So if you want to have like a a naughty tree, try and
30:17
make it yourself. And with the kids meals like the
30:21
hidden veg sauce and all of this sprinkle of Chai seeds on top of
30:25
sundaes porridge. Just when I can try and get in
30:27
their healthy, their little healthy hacks.
30:30
And then the third one, breathwork.
30:33
OK, yes, you know, someone told me actually in a yoga class and
30:37
it was amazing. And it you know when someone
30:39
just says something once and it just stays with you.
30:42
Is. She said, have you had a
30:46
conscious breath today? And I think breath is.
30:49
We take it for granted and. We can all do.
30:54
It now it's just take that one conscious breath to really just
30:59
tune into that present moment and just centre and ground
31:02
ourselves because we can go about our busy days and not take
31:06
that moment to just actually tune into something like I said
31:10
earlier, that's so accessible. And so yeah, like pretty life
31:15
changing. So just take a conscious breath.
31:18
I love that. You know, this has been
31:19
gorgeous. Thank you.