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Ep. 21 : Winter Meetings Moves And Topps Inception · Cards & Categories

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  Hello and welcome everybody to episode twenty one. Can now officially drink here on
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  this pod episode twenty one of Cards and Categories. I am Mike Coolard from
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  Rasball joined here. You're back, You're back. I'm back. Jeremy Brewer
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  from Rasball. How you doing? But good? I hear. It's an
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  upgrade from what you had just last week. While I was out of town
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  visiting the great State of Texas and Global Life, Field had to go see
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  how the Rangers were doing. They didn't win while I was there, but
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  glad to be back. I hope that I can live up to the standard
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  that has been set by our overseer, Gray. I got a lot to
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  live up to, but I've got at least nineteen episodes in to draw from.
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  Yeah, exactly, lots of big wealth of experience. And Yeah,
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  it was great having Gray on his big thank you out to him again,
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  and we learned a lot about Reggie Jackson and Gray's relationship with his father.
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  So it was a very insightful psychological pod that we went very many layers deep.
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  And you know what else is getting deep right now. We're recording this
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  on Wednesday, December sixth, in the evening. We thought Wan Soto was
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  going to the Yankees, and the trade talks are just going deeper and deeper.
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  Last piece of news I saw on x or MLB trade rumors was that
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  the medicals are being checked out by the Padres. And if you're I guess
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  people in the future will kind of know. I'm almost expecting Juan Soto to
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  move tonight or tomorrow morning, but it looks like he's going from the Padres
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  to the Yankees for a package of pitching. So I'm pretty familiar with this
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  package of pitching that they're the Yankees are sending over from my Waiver Wire columns
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  because a lot of these dudes were shredding and double and triple A for the
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  Yankees all year, and I thought they would be up. But here's kind
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  of like the rumored names that are going from the Yankees to the Padres.
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  It's going to be some mix of Michael King, Drew Thorpe, Johnny Brido,
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  and it might even dip into like Will Warren or some other Yankees arms,
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  but I think we'll start with those first three. King, Thorpe,
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  and Brito Brew. It's a lot going on, and we thought that we
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  were going to do this pod tonight that we wouldn't have anything to talk about
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  from the winter meetings. That looked like it was a nothing burger. But
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  if Wan Soda gets traded to the Yankees, that's a pre significant move that's
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  gonna affect a lot of fantasy values. Yeah, I think it's a very
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  very significant movement. I mean, how could it not be. It's one
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  Sodo being traded. It's also crazy, twenty four year old Wan Sodo,
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  probably one of the best players our generation's already been traded twice in his career
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  or one in three quarters. At this point, we'll see the medicals get
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  through. I just think that's kind of crazy. One of the best young
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  players we've ever seen and he's moving around. But yeah, I think there
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  is a lot of intrigue here. I actually like the return for the Padres
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  for a one year of one so too. They had to move him.
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  They were going to move him because they just couldn't take him that payroll anymore.
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  Whether it's because they had back taxes or something like that, the loans
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  they had to take out to meet their payroll. But I think that they
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  did well. I know about a week back it sounded like the rumored package
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  was basically the same that we're seeing now, and the Yankees were saying,
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  no way, We'll never give up Michael King and Drew Thorpe to get one
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  Soto, and that didn't make any sense. I think this is relatively a
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  win win trade for both teams. The only piece from a real world perspective
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  that I'm a little a little concerned about is I feel like the Yankees do
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  need pitching and they just traded away a heck of a lot of young pitching.
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  So I do really love Michael King. I do like Drew Thorpe as
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  far as guys that can come up in Hampton, down in the in the
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  miners, has a lot of potentials, so riteou So, I don't know.
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  I really like a lot of the names here, and I think that
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  there's gonna be some excitement. But let's let's start with Soto. What do
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  you think? What does this do for one SODA's value going into next year
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  in drafts? Is does this rocking him up the board? What do you
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  think? I mean? I hate to be mister obvious here, but you
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  put a left handed bat like that in Yankee Stadium and Honestly, he's gonna
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  be pushing fifty sixty homers like he's gonna be pushing prime Gian Carlos Stanton,
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  and it's gonna be pretty crazy that I'll find the the tweet to put it
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  into the show notes. But I saw before the show a tweet of the
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  overlay from stat cast of if you had put One Soto's twenty twenty three into
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  Yankee Stadium. And let me tell you a lot of those outs and line
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  drives that he hits and rockets off his back goes straight out in Yankee stadiums.
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  So if he gets eighty games there, he's going to be rocketing up
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  boards. He might go past Aaron Judge because Soto might run more the way
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  that Judge ran in his year before hitting free agency. That if Sodo wants
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  to prove that he's healthy, boosts his value a little bit. He might
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  push upper teams and stolen bases. And he's been starting to rise off up
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  draft boards anyway. That we a couple months ago when we did that first
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  round twenty twenty four draft, we didn't really mention One Sodo too much.
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  It was kind of an afterthought, even behind guys like Luise Robert and well
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  obviously Kyle Tucker, but even like Matt Olsen, we were sidering over him,
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  so he was kind of going firmly in the second round. He's up
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  to fourteenth in the NFBC draft data now going from mid November. I'm looking
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  at so November fifteenth through today. I'm sure if there were drafts today,
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  it would be firmly in the top ten or twelve. So you've got to
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  think his value is going to be rocketing, and hopefully he goes to the
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  Yankees for people that are taking him this weekend. Yeah, I hate to
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  disagree with you, but I'm going to put a little cold water on what
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  you said there because you know, I'm looking at Savant and you know they
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  do the expected home runs by ballpark. Now I will cavey out this,
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  but they that they actually only map the home runs that the player hit in
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  the previous season against the new ballparks. But Soto's home runs of the thirty
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  five he hit and for the twenty twenty three season, eight of those would
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  not have left the park in Yankee Stadium because he is such a spray hitter.
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  Now, I think that there is probably logical adjustments that he makes and
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  then some of those outs that work home runs would be So I don't know
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  that I wouldna go fifty home runs. I think that he's solidly forty is
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  definitely within reach, and he's such a talent hitter, you gotta think he's
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  gonna make some adjustments. I firmly see him at the end of that first
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  round, don't. I don't think he's gonna run enough to really threaten some
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  of the top tier of the first round because you just you have to have
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  speed. But if you look at all the hitters out there that don't run,
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  he's number one. And if you're talking about obp leagues on base leagues,
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  you know he's he's probably in the top five at this point just because
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  of what he can bring in that aspect. Yeah, and so he's currently
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  going as the twelfth bat off of the board in NFBC data that I was
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  looking at from mid November. So let's see where you would move him up
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  to. So right in front of him going thirteenth is Jose Ramirez. I
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  tink soda Aaron Judge. I'm gonna take soda injury risk on Judge, But
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  yeah, Trey Turner, give me Sodo still, Okay, Freddy Freeman,
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  I think that's where it ends for me. I think I'll take Freeman there.
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  I got enough question marks out. I actually the lineup in New York
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  is not as strong as as you might want to think it is. He
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  does get some protection, but not like he didn't have protection there in San
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  Diego with Machado and Bogarts and the Teast, Like, yeah, move him
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  from there to to Judge and DJ LeMay who and resilt like it's maybe less
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  lineup protection that he has in New York, just has the better ballpark to
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  hit in. So how about you? Where do you land in that that
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  realm there? I think I'm at the same spot right now that I think
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  I would take him over Jose Ramirez. Definitely Aaron Judge for the same reason,
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  just a little more consistency, a little bit more floor. Most likely
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  at Trade Turner. I'm starting to think right now I would just given what
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  I saw trade Turner late in the year. But you know, things could
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  change if he's looking spry again in the March, and I kind of fall
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  for WBC trade Turner again, even though I know there's no WBC, but
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  he was in prime form and Freddy Freeman is that one might be a coin
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  flip as well. That I think that Freeman's going to offer more batting average,
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  but less home fewer home runs, and so it depends on, you
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  know, what the flavor of the day is. But Kyle Tucker is I
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  wouldn't be taking him over Tucker just because Tucker probably gives you a thirty thirty
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  floor and that would end up being the seventh off of the Nope, actually
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  the eighth batter then, So yeah, I think we've got him in the
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  same range. How about the flip side for the Yankees that those pictures Michael
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  King is was really elite down the stretch, So I think this will probably
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  provide maybe a boost and value because he's getting out of Yankee Stadium. He
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  probably I guess this is all theoretical too, but like if he does move,
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  it seems like he would be in this trade. But he was already
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  a pretty hot name. I think gonna be on lots of sleeper picks.
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  And what do you think about Michael King what he could do getting out of
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  Yankee Stadium? Yeah, I think Michael King I really was really excited to
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  tell him last year, even what he was doing in Yankee Stadium, and
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  so I think leaving and going potentially to the NFL West, you know,
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  outside of of the Coors factor, which we all all know. You just
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  sit your mid mid level pictures against person you roll the rest. Uh,
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  he's gonna have maybe a little bit easier time treading a few weaker teams,
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  Uh to pitch it, pitch it against. And I mean, he he
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  was just lights out on the stretch. You know. He he got eight
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  starts at the end the end of the last year, and you know,
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  he he only won one of those, so it's you know, the the
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  win loss doesn't show it, and he didn't go terribly deep into games.
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  But you know, across that time frame, he had just over eleven k
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  per nine, barely over to walk per nine. His era was one eighty
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  eight with a two forty seven FIP. So he was pretty lights out.
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  And he only gave up more than one run in one of those starts,
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  and it was that very last one of the season. And so he went
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  a full seven starts in a row giving up one run or zero runs,
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  you know, and and it wasn't like he was facing totally weak teams Houston,
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  Boston, Toronto. He did face the Nationals, he did face the
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  Royals. There was some in there, but he held his own. So
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  I think Michael King's got a lot coming from him. There was not much
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  in the luck metrics. He is a flyball pitcher, and so I think
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  that that that is going to aid him in San Diego to a degree better
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  than it did a Yankee stadium. So I like Michael King. I still
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  think he's a sleeper of the problem being everybody's gonna know about him now,
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  so I think it's gonna take a little that shine off the sleeper potential.
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  Yeah, yeah, I agree that. I think that he's going to be
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  a really hot name. And I do still find it surprising that he was
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  kind of maybe the one that would hold up this trade for the Yankees that
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  gave them pause that, especially given King's injury history with the broken elbow,
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  that you would think that the Yankees would see that pitching is not the place
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  to invest. And it's a little bit like that Dynasty player who hangs on
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  to pitching too much and doesn't move it out that I'd totally be moving King
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  for the chance to jump at one Sodo. Yeah, because I think there's
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  nobody in this deal the Yankees are giving up that are proven. There's a
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  lot of guys, a lot of things you can dream on, but there's
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  nobody that is proven. King could easily blame out next year. Right,
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  He's still got risk. He's not a top twenty pitcher. He's not a
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  top thirty pitcher. You're taking him mid to late draft hoping that that fire
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  is still there. And if you own him then the last year you're probably
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  overpaying for him just because you want to recapture what you had. Speaking as
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  a Michael King owner myself, So yeah, Michael King's He'll be fun to
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  watch for sure. Yeah, definitely. And the other big news that came
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  out the Winter meetings was actually at the beginning on Sunday, Jackson Cheerio from
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  the Milwaukee Brewers, their hot prospect, their number one prospect, was signed
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  to an extension and so that will him on the big league roster right out
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  of the gate next year, no worries about whether he will be held down.
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  And this comes on the heels of Turio just absolutely shredding double a as
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  a nineteen year old last year that over one hundred and twenty two games down
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  there, he hit twenty two home runs with forty three stolen bases. That
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  came with eighty four runs eighty nine ribs with a two eighty three thirty six
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  four sixty seven line only a one twelve WRC plus. But like I said,
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  came as a nineteen year old in a really high level league. He
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  showed that he belonged. I think that long term, he's got a little
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  bit of a question on his hit tool that Fangrafts has it as a current
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  thirty future forty five. And he held the strikeouts down in double A though
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  he only struck out eighteen percent of the time, still had that big power.
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  Slugged for sixty seven with an ISO of one eighty six. So he's
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  providing the homers and the steals and the speed. I think you can tell
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  that I really like him. I brew he's going to be rocketing, rocketing
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  up boards, especially given how corpor and Carroll played last year for the d
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  Backs. Where's the Where's the limit? Where's the sky for Jackson Churio and
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  drafts going into next year? Yeah, I think the sky is if you
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  want him, you got to draft him early. And obscenely early to your
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  point, corpor and Carroll kind of ruined it for some folks. Now,
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  I think it's a little different scenario. I think Carol had a lot more
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  experience, a little bit older. There's a little bit more as they meet
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  on the bone there with being able to project that out Cheerio. I think
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  it's got a sky level of talent. But everybody's going to be after him
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  because that you want to find the one. You want to be the guy
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  that grabs him. I feel to claim at the end of the season,
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  I saw it, I knew it, I invested, and I tend to
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  think you're gonna have to overpay if you want him. I likely want owned
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  shares Chariot next year. He is the guy that I am guaranteed I'm going
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  to nominate in auction drafts early. I'm gonna spend your money on Jackson Curio
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  because there's a lot of risk. He is, you know, a nineteen
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  year old kid. He will be twenty by opening day. There's gonna be
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  a learning curve there is, and you know he's played a whole six games
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  above double A. So despite all the things you want to dream about him,
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  you can it's there's just a lot of variability, and I think there's
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  gonna be other guys. Somebody else is going to probably pay more than I'm
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  willing to. Yeah, and I think that's probably gonna be the case for
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  me. But I can also get behind a lot of the hype that like
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  if it is somebody where you know, maybe not in an auction draft and
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  you're in a snake draft, And honestly, if he's coming back to like
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  the back end of the top one hundred, I start getting a little itchy
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  just because I'll let you look up at his like ADP value since the announcement
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  of his extension. But I think this is a guy where the ceiling is
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  just crazy. I saw him last spring out in Arizona during spring training,
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  and he looks so much like Fernando Taptist junior. He's a little bit smaller
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  stature, he's only five to eleven, but it's the same sort of body
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  frame and the same sort of athleticism and whip to just the swing overall that
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  you can see pretty easily how it's going to work. And I'm trying to
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  learn a little bit from last year, given where Corbyn Carroll was going in
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  drafts and like, I think we should have all known a little better to
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  be pushing him a little bit higher up given the performance. And I think
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  this is a guy that you know, like I said, even probably like
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  around eighty, I'm starting to think a little bit because it will be a
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  decent lineup in Milwaukee. I like the park. It's a pretty good division,
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  and you know what, it's a good spot to take a risk,
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  especially if you do start really solid with you know, something like Freddie Freeman,
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  Jose Ramirez. You know, you can take a little bit bigger risk
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  when it comes round to maybe like your sixth, seventh, eighth pick,
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  and I would start to think about Cheerio there. But where's he going to
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  adp right now? Yeah? So right now? And we've got a whole
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  three drafts on the FBC, a lots of data. It's a take from
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  here. He's going about one forty overall off the board of all players,
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  not just hitters. From a hitter perspective, that's I think you nailed it.
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  Just about hit her top eighty. It's right about eighty is where he's
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  going. So I'm gonna throw some names that you hear guys that would be
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  going right about that that level. So I'm gonna pick a few just fun
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  ones that are around him. Okay, so we've got Francesco Alvarez catcher from
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  the Mets, Cheerio, unless I'm really desperate for a catcher, all right,
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  Anthony Bulpe, Actually that's not a bad spot. I actually would probably
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  go Volpi personally, just because I think that Welby went through a lot of
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  tough things last year, and Cheerio hasn't. Evan Carter. I take him
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  over Evan Carter, I Think'stedrick Mullins. I think I would take him over
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  Cedric Mullens. Here's the thing. Here's Cheerio's line right now. They's projected
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  for in Steamer, which I mean Steamer is not the greatest. Will get
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  a little bit better when some of the projections with batter ball data come out.
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  But Steamer has him for six homers, sixteen stolen bases, around sixty
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  runs a RBI with a two fifty average. And if that's the floor,
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  I mean, I think that's about where Evan Carter's floor is as well.
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  Yeah, and I think you know, as I read some of those names
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  that you had jumped up me about tens ten adp above where or earlier than
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  what he was going. And as I look at kind of what's developing next
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  year, there seems to be kind of a cliff around fifty to sixty of
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  the top hit top one hundred hitters, where like you look at those guys
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  like, yep, that's a that's a guy. I'm one team, and
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  then you start to get into a lot of guys that have question marks something
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  that you're like, okay, what you know. You got your Lane Thomas's,
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  you got your Spencer Toorklesen's, you got your Jordan Walker's, your Volpez,
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  your Gabriel Moreno's, you're Ian Happs, you know, guys like that
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  Max Bunzie. And then you got guys like uh, Jackson Turrio and Wyatt
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  Langford that are kind of sitting in that range and it's like you're you're there's
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  a there's a red mark against them somewhere across the profile. The red mark
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  against like a Cheerio and like a Lengthford is we just don't there. They
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  haven't played in the majors. Whereas you got to look at a guy like,
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  you know, Gabriel Moreno, like he's seems like he's come. He's
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  having a coming out party with like the World's series in the playoffs. So
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  but is it gonna continue? So you've got those question marks. Like I
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  said, I probably won't owe him, but right now I'm actually don't mind
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  him too much. Where he's going in that ADP. I think it's gonna
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  rise, especially if he has a strong spring. It's gonna it's gonna rocket
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  at that point. Yeah, And I think what I also like is that
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  the floor is pretty decent because he's got the glove to play, and even
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  if he hits eighth or ninth and kind of works his way through it at
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  the plate, they're gonna want his defense in center field, and that's gonna
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  mean stolen bases. He's got a lot of speed, and especially if the
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  bat's not working when he gets on, he might be hungry to steal some
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  bases and show what he can do on the offensive side. So it's pretty
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  easy to see him having a floor of Estuary Ruiz with more homers, you
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  know that, Like, it's not that hard to produce that type of line
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  when you've got the speed in the in the playing time, the way that
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  Jackson Curio will. Yeah, and you have to think they're gonna, you
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  know, the Brewers are not aiming to compete next year. They're gonna say
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  they are, but right, let's let's let's be honest. It's not where
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  they're kind of you know, aiming towards. And they're gonna, you know,
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  with a new competitive balance agreement. You know, they're they're gonna want
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  to get the you know, potential draft pick compensation for like the rookie of
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  the year things like that. They're gonna want to start him early. And
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  I Milwaukee was just outside the top ten and stolen bases last year. And
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  I wouldn't say that. I mean, they had some guys could run,
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  but it was one of those, you know, outstanding speed. So I
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  think you're right. I think he's gonna get a lot of opportunity to run.
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  He just has I think that you just have a lot more variability with
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  a guy like him. But hey, William contrerostule six bases last year for
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  the Brewers, So what Conturio do? Yeah, exactly, And you want
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  to talk about variability or you were also talking about guys with warts on them
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  a little bit. Let's move on to the next transaction that happened this week,
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  and that is Jared keller Nick going from the Mariners to the Braves as
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  the Braves were picking up the salary that came along with keller Nick and Evan
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  White and Marco Gonzalez already shipped Marco Gonzalez to Pittsburgh, so that I think
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  will be a really good sleeper in like NL onlies. But we'll focus on
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  keller Nick here because he's going to have the most applicability leagues out there,
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  and it's kind of crazy to see the Mariner is giving up on him.
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  He's only going to be twenty four, and this is a guy that's had
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  a lot of hype but also a lot of issues in terms of being able
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  to put the bat on the ball and not strike out sometimes, also struggle
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  a lot with off speed pitches. He can hammer a fastball. But the
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  other low key thing here that I kind of want to get your take on
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  is roster resource with this move, because it shuffled the bottom of the Braves
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  lineup that I think Kellnick is what he is and like, you know what
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  you're taking and trying to pop a little bit that upside, but most likely
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  won't get to it. That Kellen Nick moved Michael Harris up in the order,
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  and we both like Michael Harris a lot, but we always were saying
• 24:48
  that the problem is he was batting ninth. Michael Harris is batting six.
• 24:53
  That's a pretty sneaky value. And so I want to hear a little bit
• 24:56
  of your takes on Kellnick going to the braves and what that also might mean
• 25:00
  for Michael Harris's overall value here. Yeah, I I I personally think it's
• 25:07
  it's it's it's very interesting. I've long been interested in Jared Kelnick. I
• 25:11
  think he has a ton of potential. He has a beautiful swing, and
• 25:18
  he's everything he's done in the minors has shown that he has the capability it,
• 25:23
  and he's just he has not I has not got the chance to prove
• 25:27
  it. He's been hurt, he's you know, been shuttled back and forth
• 25:32
  with the miners. He just hasn't had a chance to really establish himself.
• 25:34
  And I think the expectations were heaped upon him. So I think he's a
• 25:40
  great change of scenery guy. You know, I think it's pretty clear what
• 25:42
  the Mariners trying to do with I think they've with their moves that they've had
• 25:47
  just a soft season with not offering the Graftic compensation, the qualifying offer to
• 25:53
  Tesca Hernandez. By letting go, you know, take care of Kellen and
• 26:00
  Mark Gonzales a few other moves. I think they've opened up like twenty five
• 26:03
  million and payroll that they can still play with the rest of the season.
• 26:08
  Uh So, Jerry over there still got some some moves up his sleeves.
• 26:11
  But back to kellenick, I I really like this move for him because he's
• 26:18
  not going to be relied upon. They're they're hoping they find something, and
• 26:22
  they clearly see something in him that they're willing to pay for. And of
• 26:27
  all the teams to go on to with a great lineup where you don't have
• 26:33
  to be the the guy like he's, he's so far from the guy.
• 26:37
  He's Eddie Rose Rosario for the Braves, right, He's in that kind of
• 26:41
  that position. So I think he has a chance to really get a fresh
• 26:45
  start and you don't get his footing in the majors. And I think I'll
• 26:49
  be picking up some some some shares latent drafts because I think he can turn
• 26:56
  it around. And again, he's got a decent floor. He's with his
• 27:04
  speed, he's always gonna hit probably that two fifty to sixty range at at
• 27:08
  a minimum, and he's gonna run. He's gonna hit, you know,
• 27:12
  for power, so you're not late in the draft. There's a lot worse
• 27:18
  things you can do than take Kellen Nick. So I like Kellennick there.
• 27:22
  I think you make a great point on Michael Harris. I I'm not sure
• 27:26
  I need to see it to believe it with Harris, because yeah, roster
• 27:30
  resource moves him up. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Braves leave him
• 27:33
  right where he's that second leadoff hitter, kind of keep him there, you
• 27:40
  know he's there's not the pressure, kind of same thing with Kellen Nick,
• 27:42
  where you're there for the defense, you're there for a speed, You're there
• 27:45
  to get on base and be another guy on base when we get around the
• 27:48
  line for our masters. So I'm not quite buying into it yet on Harris,
• 27:53
  but I think it's it's given him an upside path that he did not
• 27:59
  have before. Yeah. Absolutely, And it makes a lot of sense because
• 28:02
  it allows the Braves to go righty, lefty, righty. If you move
• 28:07
  Harris up and I think it makes sense to probably move Harris up over moving
• 28:11
  kell Nick up, just because Harris makes better contacts, so you can count
• 28:17
  on him getting some of those runs in. And yeah, if you're in
• 28:19
  a dynasty and a Michael Harris owner might not have noticed that possibility, it
• 28:26
  might be the time to jump before spring training because and if not, like
• 28:32
  still Michael Harris will be hitting ninth and have now kell Nick and Rcia and
• 28:36
  Murphy in front of him, that like, there's still plenty of opportunities that
• 28:40
  it's gonna easily be the best nine hole hitter in the entire league. Yeah,
• 28:44
  it's it is. It is funny. The one other interesting fallout I
• 28:48
  see from this is von no von Grissom has like no chance for playing time
• 28:55
  anymore. Yeah, he kind of. I guess he blew his chance by
• 28:59
  not hitting last year. And I wouldn't be surprised. I don't think the
• 29:03
  Braves are done. I would not be surprised to see him in a different
• 29:07
  uniform comes spring. Yeah, and you know, if it's kind of moved
• 29:11
  to a place where there's an opportunity to get some good play in time,
• 29:14
  I think that'd be good for him and he'd definitely be kind of a sleeper
• 29:18
  going to next year if he gets an opportunity elsewhere. Yeah, and this
• 29:22
  is maybe, like I think, a sleeper place for Corbyn Burns to end
• 29:27
  up that it's out of division. You look at their rotation right now,
• 29:33
  it's got Bryce Elther and Oscar youdonoah at the back end of it right now,
• 29:37
  and and Ian Anderson coming off of Tommy John. That doesn't include Smiths
• 29:42
  Shaver being involved in the rotation right now, and then you've also got guys
• 29:48
  like Dylan Dodd and Darius Vines. But it would be a nice spot for
• 29:52
  Corbyn Burns and they've got the pieces to do it, especially if they're going
• 29:56
  to put von Grisom on the table. I think that hockey would enjoy some
• 30:02
  really nice cost control bats like that, So it quick match up. Yeah,
• 30:07
  I actually I think that's a really great call. I think there's a
• 30:10
  really good interesting match there with with Milwaukee. Uh, good for players and
• 30:15
  teams alike. So, uh, it'd be interesting to see what comes next.
• 30:21
  We have had, I say, a relatively quiet winter meetings, and
• 30:25
  I guess, let's be honest, everybody's waiting for one thing, right now
• 30:29
  rumored two happened this weekend last last I saw, which is I have to
• 30:36
  say the free agency has been one of the most bizarre free agencies we've had
• 30:40
  in a long time, with his desire to keep it all secretive, which
• 30:44
  is great respect him for it that nothing nothing against that, but as a
• 30:48
  as a fan, it makes it really interesting because it's like nothing's happening except
• 30:52
  for he's thinking about it. He'll make a decision, and you know,
• 30:57
  it's gonna it's gonna hurt me to know. And if we go through all
• 31:00
  this and just goes back to the Angels and it's just gonna be like,
• 31:04
  well was those pop pop and circumstance for and the rest of the market's just
• 31:07
  gonna you know, breathe a sigh of relief and go crazy on everything else.
• 31:11
  So yeah, that will be I wonder if it will happen this weekend.
• 31:17
  I'm not totally counting on it, but I you're just trying to avoid
• 31:22
  talking about these next transactions we have in the rundown, aren't you that I
• 31:26
  am trying to avoid. No, there's some fun ones. Let's let's get
• 31:27
  there. That's gonna say. They've still been learning from Gray just let me
• 31:30
  go. Yeah that the next one. I mean, this one isn't as
• 31:36
  fun as the first three we were trying to go over. And that's Alex
• 31:41
  Erdugo actually being traded to the Yankees. This is a real life trade that
• 31:44
  already happened. We don't have to theorize anything here that Alex Erdugo should be
• 31:48
  opening as the left fielder right now for the Yankees as he moves from Boston
• 31:53
  to New York in a rare match of those teams making a transaction together.
• 32:00
  So I think a lot of the things that we just said about Juan Soto
• 32:02
  being a left handed bat moving into Yankee Stadium applied to Dugo. But Ridigo
• 32:08
  doesn't hit the ball as hard. He's not hitting it quite as far.
• 32:13
  He had a pre recent stadium to play in before, in Boston, it
• 32:15
  was a really good hitters park, So overall, like it might not provide
• 32:22
  too much of an offensive boost. And on top of it, like,
• 32:24
  I don't know what he's gonna look like without facial hair on, so it
• 32:30
  might be a little weird, and who knows how that's going to affect his
• 32:32
  confidence. I just like knowing Alex Radugo is kind of like he's a bit
• 32:37
  of a cocky player and a bit of a show off. That it's going
• 32:43
  to be an interesting mixing him in New York. And I don't know if
• 32:45
  I like that mix too much. Yeah, that's always the funny thing about
• 32:52
  New York is there's of all the places you can go, I feel like
• 32:55
  New York's the only one that has this weird and negative and tangible that like
• 33:01
  they seem to Again maybe it's just my perception. They seem to be a
• 33:06
  little bit behind the league as far as adapting using technology, using data.
• 33:13
  They are also behind times with the requirements on facial hair. There's the pressure
• 33:17
  of being New York. Like a guy can crumble just mentally in New York.
• 33:23
  I think one of my favorite guys, Sonny Gray and and like he
• 33:27
  just was not allowed to do anything in New York. And there's a number
• 33:30
  of players that have like got out of there like yeah, man, I
• 33:34
  can go do something now. So that that's an interesting thing. Aside that
• 33:38
  said, Verdugo, unlike Sodo, is that straight pole hitter, and so
• 33:45
  I think, you know, he is one. He's probably gonna get a
• 33:47
  little bit more boost from the power perspective than so Soda does. I don't
• 33:53
  think it's going to be anything incredible. You know, Verdugo is never going
• 33:55
  to be a thirty home run hitter. That's just not who he is.
• 34:00
  But I think he's going to probably run into a few more thanks to the
• 34:05
  short porch than what we see Soto do as far as maybe a percentage increase
• 34:10
  on the power. So interesting spot for Dugo. I think it's it is
• 34:16
  a good move for them. They need some solid hitting, and I think
• 34:20
  that's what he is. He's a solid hitter, not much beyond it.
• 34:24
  Yeah, I think so too, And Steamer's already calling for more homers things
• 34:29
  ever hit in his career at fifteen, his career high at thirteen that he
• 34:32
  did last year and in twenty twenty one that I just didn't. What I
• 34:37
  liked about for Dugo previously was the batting average floor and almost asset. But
• 34:43
  if he's going to be hitting in the two sixties again, it really wipes
• 34:46
  out a lot of that good work because then you're behind in he doesn't run
• 34:52
  for you, he doesn't hit enough homers, he doesn't run drive in enough
• 34:55
  runs. That the only asset that he has is runs and if he's not
• 35:00
  hitting at the top of the Yankees lineup, he turns into Angrew beinin Tendee
• 35:06
  real quick and can be just left for a lot of waiver wires out there.
• 35:13
  Okay, we got another move that happened in the Al East today and
• 35:17
  that is Craig Kimberrell signing with the Baltimore Orioles. That I didn't think about
• 35:22
  this spot for Craig Kimberrell on a one year deal, but it makes a
• 35:27
  lot of sense, and for me, I think you can almost take a
• 35:30
  season from what he did this year with the Phillies. They had a pretty
• 35:34
  similar bullpen structure in terms of Craig kimberl is not the best reliever in that
• 35:37
  bullpen, but he was called upon as the closer a lot and allowed him
• 35:43
  to get to a decent amount of saves that made him usable in fantasy.
• 35:47
  I think that's going to happen again here in Baltimore with Junior Cano taking a
• 35:52
  lot of the more high leverage work and taking a good handful of saves from
• 35:55
  Kraig Kimberrell. But Baltimore is a good enough team that you can probably pencil
• 36:00
  him in for probably literally the exact same season that he put up in Philadelphia
• 36:05
  this year. And so brewd are you on the same page there or what
• 36:09
  are you thinking about Craig Kimberrell in the Baltimore Orioles Clubhouse. Yeah, I'm
• 36:15
  I'm kind of right there with you. I it made too much sense when
• 36:20
  I when I first saw the rumor break, I'm like, yep, that
• 36:23
  that we should have seen that one coming. That it made. It made
• 36:27
  a lot of sense with them putting in there because they can get one on
• 36:30
  one year deal. It's not gonna cost a lot. They can use them
• 36:32
  as a bridge to get when Latista back. So I think that there's a
• 36:37
  lot to be said for for the Orioles making that move. I think you're
• 36:42
  right. It's kind of like you sign him up for the same season he
• 36:45
  just had. The question is when does he implode? And well, maybe
• 36:47
  we'll be able to withstand that hump, because you know what Camberl is what
• 36:52
  one, two, three inning? Or Jason Isreeenhausen. So it's you know,
• 36:58
  there is no in between. It's either you're having a heart attack or
• 37:01
  you're thrilled. And is if you go in knowing that don't go in for
• 37:07
  you know, a ratio guy or something like that. You're buying Kimberrell for
• 37:09
  the saves, and in Baltimore he's going to have similar opportunities in Philadelphia.
• 37:15
  So yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense. I think that's
• 37:19
  probably about the best landing spot he possibly could have had. The only thing
• 37:23
  that it irks me for is I really was hoping Robert Stevenson was going to
• 37:29
  land in Baltimore because I could just I thought he would just be lights out
• 37:34
  as that Briverige Batista. So I was hopeful for that, And I now
• 37:38
  no longer think Robert Stevenson ends up with a closer role on a team looking
• 37:43
  for a stop gap. So yeah, and I think a lot of like
• 37:50
  what makes using Craig kimberl easier in fantasy is to not pay attention to that
• 37:54
  roller coaster because if you didn't, if you just drafted him and forget it
• 38:00
  in your lineup, here's what he would have done for you. He would
• 38:02
  have given you a three twenty six ear array with a one oh four whipth
• 38:08
  this year you're not gonna count. I'm not going to pencil him for a
• 38:10
  one oh four whip. No, I'm not either. He had a one
• 38:14
  thirty two the year before with the Dodgers. But again, I think that
• 38:17
  was a little extenuating circumstance, you know what I mean that like, it
• 38:22
  wasn't a good fit in LA that Steamer has him for a one to twenty
• 38:25
  three. I think that's probably pretty fair somewhere in the middle. But he
• 38:30
  would have also give you ninety four k's and sixty nine innings with twenty three
• 38:35
  saves. And I think that in the chaos of Craig Kimberl and seeing him
• 38:40
  in the playoffs, you can forget about what numbers he's actually putting up over
• 38:45
  the entire season. And that was a huge positive value for where Kimberle was
• 38:49
  going in drafts that you know he was well within you know, the back
• 38:54
  end of the teams and maybe even the twenties and closers and going late in
• 39:00
  auction drafts for a few bucks. If that's gonna happen again, then sign
• 39:05
  me up all day, because that is a lot of k's out of reliever
• 39:08
  and it's tough to find twenty twenty saves just kind of out of nowhere,
• 39:14
  So Kimberle's gonna be pretty sneaky, and I think that's a really great fit
• 39:16
  for him in Baltimore. Yeah, I mean, the guy's averaged twenty three
• 39:20
  saves last three years, with the highest era of a three point four to
• 39:23
  nine and more than a k per inning. Like, yes, he tell
• 39:29
  you make if you a heart attack, but you're right. The only thing
• 39:30
  that could have been could have been better is he went to a West Coast
• 39:34
  team, so you just set your lineup and you know, wake up in
• 39:36
  the morning and see if you got a save or not. But yeah,
• 39:39
  you're absolutely right, Like he's the kind of guy you have to buy being
• 39:44
  willing to deal with the ups and downs. Like if you're the guy that's
• 39:47
  gonna be reactive, Kimberl's not for you, you have to he is in
• 39:53
  for the long haul. And I will also own at some point he's gonna
• 39:57
  be done, Like he's one of those guys that like, when it happens,
• 40:00
  it's gonna be horrendous. But I think we got a year or two
• 40:04
  before that implosion and he's never seen again, so that I like this for
• 40:09
  Craig Gimbrel, And it's crazy to think that Kimberl's better. This will be
• 40:15
  his like fourteenth season in the majors. He's he's definitely racking up some saves.
• 40:21
  You you don't you're probably looking at it now. His career saves four
• 40:23
  hundred and seventeen. Yeah. Oh no, I mean I was gonna say,
• 40:28
  when you're talking about him adding a year or two, like he's a
• 40:31
  year two away from being just about a surefire Hall of Famer. He's essentially
• 40:36
  got the least smith resume, and yes he does. It's about the same
• 40:40
  amount of teams bouncing around. But yeah, so especially if he can add
• 40:45
  somebody cool after the Orioles, you know, like throwing a devil rays or
• 40:52
  you know, d Bax, so that like his his immaculate grid will like
• 40:54
  supreme. I need Kimberl on the Yankee, so he has to shave.
• 41:00
  I think that would be that would just that would be icing on the cake.
• 41:06
  I don't know if that'll ever happen, but no, I'll think.
• 41:07
  So all right, I'm gonna make you entertain me here on one last transaction
• 41:13
  that yep, just because things have been so boring, as you said,
• 41:16
  from the winter meetings, this has risen to the level of the next kind
• 41:22
  of major transaction that happened, and that is Eric Fetti coming back from the
• 41:27
  KBO signing with the White Sox after winning the MVP and the KBO and being
• 41:34
  absolutely lights out that other players that have come across like this have been you
• 41:38
  know, Merrill, Kelly, Miles, Nicholas, I think came from Japan
• 41:43
  or was a KBO. I think it was KBO. Yeah too. Yeah,
• 41:47
  I will douse all that in water though by saying like I looked into
• 41:53
  Fetti's pitch mix a little bit while he was in the KBO. You have
• 41:57
  that information on Fangrass, which is really nice. They have a lot of
• 42:00
  that info, and it doesn't look like the speeds of his offerings have changed.
• 42:07
  Dressed, his slider changed and so I don't know if he turned it
• 42:10
  into like a gyro slider, but everything else looks to be about in line
• 42:15
  with what he was throwing here in He was just here in twenty twenty two
• 42:20
  being shelled for the Nationals the way he always was in his career. And
• 42:23
  so I think that there's some people that are kind of looking at the Meryl
• 42:29
  Kelly Miles, Micheliss path that is going on here with Eric Fetti coming from
• 42:35
  the DC Dinos or n C Dinos my bad, not the DC Dinos.
• 42:38
  And I'm just going to douse that in water because this is Eric Fetti we're
• 42:44
  talking about, and guess we're all desperate to talk about something, so this
• 42:47
  is why it's risen to the level of getting shriff here on this podcast and
• 42:53
  everywhere else. But Brew, do you see any glimmers of hope in the
• 42:57
  Fetti profile? Are you also dousing water on this? I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 43:00
  have a little more glimmer than than you do, because I think that the
• 43:02
  uh and this is guy I spent a little time reading on Fetti because I'm
• 43:07
  my first reaction, uh solely and I will own this. It came from
• 43:10
  the card collecting side of things, which is like, how many Eric Fetti
• 43:15
  cards have you seen for like a dollar? Because he was up and coming
• 43:19
  things, I'm thinking like patch rookie patch autos for a dollar. But yeah,
• 43:24
  it's just like the Fetti's were just like everywhere. I'm like, man,
• 43:28
  if only I had cash stimps. But I as I was reading,
• 43:32
  you know, Fetti, after he left, he actually went to a you
• 43:38
  know kind of a drive line type facility and really spent time working on his
• 43:44
  pitch shaping his pitch mix, and from what I understand, he switched some
• 43:50
  of his pitchers like his I think a slider switched more to like more of
• 43:53
  a sweeper. And so I don't know with the metrics coming out of the
• 44:00
  KBO how advanced they are and tracking some of those. So I'm very curious
• 44:06
  to see and I don't know how to prove this if the changes he made
• 44:09
  to his pitch mix are being reflected in the numbers, or if the pitch
• 44:15
  shapes are somewhat similar but they are significantly different pitches. And so I think
• 44:21
  that there's because he made an effort and knowingly changed the shapes of his pitches
• 44:30
  and then had the results. I think it's at least intriguing. It is
• 44:34
  still Eric Fetti, and so I will own that. Like I'm not spending
• 44:37
  a whole lot of money here. I'm thinking you're at the auction draft and
• 44:40
  you're throwing, you know, you're towards the end. It's like, here's
• 44:43
  three bucks on Eric Fetty and I could cut him in a month and be
• 44:46
  perfectly fine. But like the numbers in the KBO, you can't ignore them.
• 44:52
  You know, it was insane. I think what was his He was
• 44:58
  twenty and six two o e or a uh, two hundred nine strikeouts,
• 45:02
  one hundred and eighty Indians and he only walked thirty five guys. That is
• 45:07
  nothing at all like the picture he was on us soil. So I think
• 45:14
  that that's I think there's I'm intrigued for the fact that it seems like his
• 45:21
  strikeouts jumped and his control improved over there, And if it truly came as
• 45:28
  a result of focusing on using the data at his pitch shapes that he'd never
• 45:32
  done before, I'm willing to gain. I'm willing to gamble on it,
• 45:37
  but I'm not You have to also think Mike Liss and Mary Kelly. They
• 45:42
  dominated over in the KBO as well, and neither and I think from even
• 45:46
  from a strikeout perspective, I recall both of them were, you know,
• 45:50
  big strikeout pictures there. Neither one has come over and been a big strikeout
• 45:53
  pitcher. So I think that there's you know, expecting Amer Kelly or or
• 46:00
  Miles Michaelis's result is probably your best case scenario. So yeah, I'm more
• 46:07
  intrigued than you are, but it's still Eric Fetti. Yeah, And I
• 46:13
  think maybe I would have a little more faith in him if he didn't go
• 46:16
  to the Socks. Like if there's anybody where you can count on like regression
• 46:22
  happen because they just don't know what they're doing, it's somebody on the Socks
• 46:27
  that you know, if it had gone to an organization that has a really
• 46:30
  strong pitching development, you know, like the Astros would have been obviously like
• 46:37
  really great, or the Twins or even the Reds. The Reds have been
• 46:39
  really good at developing pitching recently. I think it also would have told you
• 46:45
  that they saw something. But going to the Socks, I don't think they
• 46:49
  look at anything. And so except for like surface level stats, and you
• 46:54
  are lining this up with he he lines up really nicely with like the rates
• 47:00
  that he put up in Korea that he also put up kind of similar rates
• 47:06
  in twenty nineteen in double A. It was only twenty four innings. But
• 47:09
  like you look at just kind of like the level of competition in Korea,
• 47:14
  and he's not going to come here to the States and allow only less than
• 47:19
  half of all homer per nine. He's not going to get the socks are
• 47:22
  not going to provide him a seventy nine point six percent left on base percentage
• 47:28
  that it seems like FEddi found some magic because you know, he was able
• 47:34
  to locate his pitches against these Korean bats and being able to like have a
• 47:39
  defense that played behind him, and so that's not going to happen in Chicago.
• 47:44
  So I think, like, yeah, it's just I don't I can't
• 47:47
  think of a scenario where I really want to like take any chance on him,
• 47:52
  because I think there's a really good chance he's going to be just have
• 47:58
  a really blow to Dra down on the SaaS side with the socks and giving
• 48:01
  up Homer's game. After game, I'll make my final pitch, my final
• 48:06
  pitch for Eric Fetty. His ground ball rate in Korea. Did you see
• 48:10
  who ground ball rate was? No, I didn't scroll down that far.
• 48:14
  Seventy percent. That is the the highest groundball rate of any major league pitcher
• 48:20
  last year with more than one hundred innings was Logan Web at sixty two percent.
• 48:23
  And you know, if I look at a potential comp for Eric Fetti,
• 48:30
  Logan Web is a pretty good comp. You know, an eight K
• 48:34
  for nine good control, keeps the ball on the ground. Now, there's
• 48:37
  a little difference in pitching in San Francisco dand pitching in Chicago, but I
• 48:44
  think that's kind of the comparison, maybe a Marcus Stroman type like that's the
• 48:51
  type of picture that I think Fetti could be in the majors. Uh So,
• 48:55
  to your point, white socks, you're not gonna get the wins.
• 48:59
  You might have all the k's there. I think your ratio, your your
• 49:01
  your whips, your your ach could be kind of decent, you know,
• 49:07
  but you're not gonna get much. Fil So he's an interesting back end guy,
• 49:10
  and I think you're right if they could, if you could end somewhere
• 49:14
  else, there would be a little bit more excitement here if the wins perspective
• 49:17
  or uh gonnaybe a better ballpark. So so I'm still I'm like I said,
• 49:22
  Logan Web is my my comp for Eric Fetti. Wow. Wow,
• 49:29
  we will put that in stone. And I don't really care for loganway by
• 49:31
  the way. Oh okay, well that's part of it too. Yeah,
• 49:35
  but that that ground ball rate does intrigue me a little bit because it does
• 49:39
  prove that he was doing something different and it will be interesting to maybe to
• 49:44
  see it in spring training, to see what the arsenal looks like, and
• 49:47
  especially getting some spin rate data. I'm sure it's actually out there for Korea.
• 49:52
  I'm sure we can track it down. But if it's looking like it
• 49:57
  is nasty stuff, then maybe are we thinking about it a little bit more.
• 50:00
  But I just I have no faith in the sucks. That's yeah,
• 50:07
  I think that might be the understatements. I think we can all align.
• 50:10
  There been a rough week as Jerry's been threatening to move to Nashville again,
• 50:15
  so it uh would be a bummer, mostly because I'd have to go to
• 50:20
  Cubs games. Then I'm sorry, Yeah, okay, Well that will wrap
• 50:25
  up like our beginning section here. I know. I guess I should have
• 50:28
  opened with stating that we were flipping the format a little bit in terms of
• 50:31
  going through some news and some fantasy analysis, and we'll be back after an
• 50:37
  upcoming break here with cards information as we got a new release coming down the
• 50:42
  pike, and they slapped more releases into December. I don't know where all
• 50:46
  these secret sets are coming up from top slash fanatics, but it looks like
• 50:51
  we're getting lots of Christmas goodies. But before we get to this break,
• 50:55
  I want to remind everyone we still have the official cards and category merchandise.
• 51:00
  We've got shirts and mugs up right now, and we should have some hats
• 51:05
  back up there pretty soon. That we've been working on refining the designs and
• 51:09
  getting them off to the printers. So I'll give the link in the show
• 51:15
  notes because I'm too cheap to still pay for like a domain name for it.
• 51:19
  But once we make some sales, I'll get a real domain name.
• 51:22
  It's on spring dot com and you can click in the show notes to be
• 51:27
  able to, you know, get to your gear brew. What are you
• 51:30
  looking forward to buying from from the store here pretty soon? Well? I
• 51:35
  need the hat definitely. I'm I'm a hat guy. I need my hat.
• 51:39
  And I will throw this out there if I see anybody out in the
• 51:43
  wild at like a card show wearing you know, our cards and categories merch
• 51:49
  I got free cards for you anywhere else, free fantasy advice. Value it
• 51:54
  for what it is. But yeah, I definitely, definitely, uh,
• 52:00
  you need to grab myself a hat, probably one for my kids too.
• 52:05
  I don't know that they would appreciate it as much as I will. But
• 52:08
  that's that's okay. How about you? What what's the what's gonna be the
• 52:12
  go to for you? The mug. I'm looking forward to the mug.
• 52:15
  It's going to be great with that morning cup of coffee and the design is
• 52:21
  going to be plastered dry on. It's gonna be a really fun moment when
• 52:23
  I drink a mug with coffee that has the logo of my own podcast on
• 52:29
  it. Might I might have to update the avatar over on Rasball after four
• 52:34
  years now. Uh might have to the hat, the mug, and the
• 52:37
  shirt all in one avatar. Yeah, maybe I got the beard going too,
• 52:44
  so let's just combine at all. Clearly I would not be in New
• 52:47
  York Yankee. Yeah, all right. With that, we will end this
• 52:53
  segment and we will be back after the break covering some cad some cards.
• 52:59
  I'm not used to this switch up, so we're covering cards after the break.
• 53:01
  We'll see you after that. All right, Welcome back, everybody to
• 53:23
  the cards section of this episode of Cards and Categories. We're going to be
• 53:29
  overviewing the release of twenty twenty three Tops Inception this week, which is dropping
• 53:34
  today on December sixth, so it should be available at your local hobby shops,
• 53:40
  and they were on tops dot com up until a couple hours ago,
• 53:45
  but I haven't checked again. We're kind of recording this on the evening of
• 53:49
  the sixth, so they might still be hanging around. Because this is another
• 53:53
  one of those sets brew that we thought was dead that at the beginning of
• 53:58
  the year, Top slash Fanatics was going through and looking at some of the
• 54:02
  releases that come out during the year and determining sets that maybe weren't as profitable
• 54:08
  or not as popular, just you know, trying to trim down the amount
• 54:13
  of printing out there and what they're running through the lines. That Inception was
• 54:17
  on that block along with Stadium Club and it's back now. So usually Inception
• 54:22
  comes out early summer, late spring, so yeah, late late spring usually,
• 54:28
  Yeah, So it's rare for it to be out at this point in
• 54:31
  time. And I think it's also a good gift box to give to a
• 54:37
  card collector because as we've reviewed with Tier one, it's a box that only
• 54:45
  has seven cards within it, this Tops in section box, and it retails
• 54:49
  for one hundred and fifty dollars at tops dot com, and so you're spending
• 54:53
  just over twenty bucks a card, but it's a pretty nice price point compared
• 54:58
  to where some of the emitated boxes are so brew. What has your experience
• 55:05
  been with opening Tops Interception in the past and what do you think about it
• 55:08
  being kind of that entry point to the next tier up for collectors. Yeah,
• 55:15
  I think it's actually a fantastic entry point. I have myself ripped Tops
• 55:20
  Inception before. I will say I was not terribly successful with my rips because
• 55:27
  it is to your point that like lower level of the high end products is
• 55:31
  just starting to get into those, and so it is a little bit more
• 55:35
  feast or famine as far as a rip goes. I think each each box
• 55:39
  gives you a whole seven cards per box, one guarantee auto, two parallels
• 55:45
  and base cards. These are all the very thick card stock, and you
• 55:51
  know, there's just a number of awesome patches and things like that, and
• 55:57
  so even if you're not hitting you know, big names, especially earlier when
• 56:01
  you're ripping those, the relics look fantastic. Relic my underselling patch is more
• 56:07
  of a better term for them. And they have booklets, they have you
• 56:14
  know, these crazy patch autos. There's all kinds of cool stuff in there.
• 56:19
  But this is a rip to kind of savor. You got to take
• 56:22
  your time because you're not going to get a whole lot. But at the
• 56:24
  one hundred and fifty dollars price point, it is like it's it's it's a
• 56:30
  risk that you can take and feel like, Okay, I'll get you know,
• 56:32
  even if I don't do incredibly well here, I've got three relics.
• 56:37
  I've got or two relics, I've got one auto. I can probably you
• 56:42
  know, flip those to somebody else and you know, get you know,
• 56:46
  half of what I did back, maybe a third, but it was but
• 56:51
  the opportunity to rip it, I think is great. So I really like
• 56:54
  tops Inception. I have not bought tops Inception right now because I just bought
• 56:59
  a large number of TOPSCRM blasters to do a little MVP buyback hunting. So
• 57:06
  I need to get that in before I commit to any tops Inception. Checking
• 57:10
  me in a week if I withheld that stance. But yeah, I like
• 57:15
  the product. It is fun to see. How about you. Have you
• 57:20
  ripped tops Inception before? Yes, I did in twenty twenty one, I
• 57:25
  think was when I was trying to chase some Dylan Carlson cards, and that's
• 57:32
  the only time I've ripped it. It is nice compared to what I see
• 57:37
  from people opening some you know, things like Tier one and other products that
• 57:45
  might have the limited number of cards in the box. That inception is fun
• 57:52
  because they're all the thick cards and I like the design on them too.
• 57:54
  They're back again with the abstract design with it's kind of like swirls are like
• 58:00
  marble looking in the background, which this year they've committed a little bit more
• 58:05
  to a paint look that it feels like the past couple of years they're starting
• 58:08
  to trend into like ninety solo cup territory. So it's glad to see them
• 58:14
  reel it back in and kind of put some class into it. And like
• 58:19
  you said, the actual hits within the product are very satisfying in terms of
• 58:25
  very large patches on any of the relics that you're hitting, and if you
• 58:30
  are lucky enough to get a patch book, the patch books look really great,
• 58:35
  which is you know, multiple cards that can fold open, and the
• 58:40
  signatures the autos on these cards really pop against the abstract background and they're really
• 58:47
  even though there's a lot going on with that abstract background. What it actually
• 58:51
  provides is the ability for TOPS to make these cards without like much of a
• 58:55
  border or like much of you know, information on it. So when you
• 59:00
  get a signature on the middle of the card, it just really pops on
• 59:05
  these cards. So I really like them for that, and they're also great
• 59:09
  for color matches that we'll link to it in the show notes with the checklist
• 59:15
  on Beckett dot com. But Beckett dot com, like the main card that
• 59:19
  they're showing is the Adlie Retchman and I'm actually not sure if that's the orange.
• 59:24
  I think that might just be the base, but the Orange, I'm
• 59:29
  sure, and an Adlie Reuschman looks great. So these become really popular cards
• 59:31
  for getting those team color matches. But the other thing that we're going to
• 59:37
  be chasing this year in TOPS Inception, kind of like what happened with TOPS
• 59:40
  Chrome Update this year, is there's special cards with in terms of the Memorbilia
• 59:45
  cards that TOPS Chrome Update if you recall had those pro debut patches where they
• 59:52
  were worn on field. Just one of One's people have been hitting them and
• 59:57
  listening to them on eBay. They've been going for all sorts of bananas,
• 1:00:00
  prices even for the most obscure rookies that tops Inception what they're going to have
• 1:00:06
  this year are called first Milestone cards. So these are authenticated cards with the
• 1:00:13
  MLB Authenticated sticker on them that links to a player's milestone during that game.
• 1:00:19
  So you know, an example is like a Masataka Yoshida card with a game
• 1:00:25
  that he hit a you know, a double in or hit a home run
• 1:00:29
  in. They have the jersey that they've put into this tops Inception card and
• 1:00:34
  they've authenticated that. So that's a really big boost, I think to the
• 1:00:37
  product this year because tops Inception typically the relics and jerseys are just player worn,
• 1:00:44
  they're not even usually game use, and so it really provides that extra
• 1:00:49
  layer of having a really great, authentic auto that was worn on field.
• 1:00:54
  So Brew like, what do you think of this? Do you think it's
• 1:00:59
  a gimmick or do you think it is a nice little twist here for Inception
• 1:01:02
  this year. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw one correction at you because
• 1:01:06
  unless I misheard you, but I think you said jersey, but they're actually
• 1:01:08
  base basis, yes, and I didn't. Yeah, So they are all
• 1:01:14
  bases from their game they recorded their first hit and what I actually like about
• 1:01:19
  that and seeing some of the pictures of them. I'm not sure if they're
• 1:01:22
  all gonna be this way, but there's something about the game used aspect that
• 1:01:27
  when you get that jersey that has like the little stain on it or a
• 1:01:30
  little dirt, like basses in general get really dirty during the Major league game,
• 1:01:36
  and so they even have like that dirt patina type look on them.
• 1:01:40
  They all have the actual sticker with the you know, authentication, uh that
• 1:01:46
  you can look up the date and everything like that, which base was,
• 1:01:51
  all those kinds of things, and so I actually really like them. I
• 1:01:53
  have to think those cards are incredibly thick to have a piece of a bass
• 1:01:58
  in there, I know, I don't know if maybe they shaved them really
• 1:02:00
  really really thin. Also feels like definitely a risk for the border of the
• 1:02:07
  patch getting damaged because bases generally are slightly rounded, and so you're gonna have
• 1:02:15
  a little bit of relief within some of those. But I think it's a
• 1:02:17
  really cool idea I have to give. Whether it's fantics fanatics buying tops or
• 1:02:22
  tops doing this on their own, like thinking outside the box and like planning
• 1:02:29
  ahead and keeping this type of thing under wraps and then kind of releasing it
• 1:02:34
  and making it slightly more accessible than the debut patches because you know you're gonna
• 1:02:40
  get these. I can't remember what they go up to. If it's like
• 1:02:45
  out of twenty five or so the base the base versions have no more than
• 1:02:50
  ninety nine, and then they'll come in red twenty five, Orange ten,
• 1:02:54
  blue five, and then one of one. Yeah, so call it,
• 1:03:00
  you know, one hundred and fifty hundred and seventy five of each one.
• 1:03:02
  So it makes it more accessible if you want to get your favorite player than
• 1:03:07
  the pro debut patch where he's got the one and if you don't get that
• 1:03:10
  one, you're never going to get it. So I do really like that
• 1:03:15
  that aspect. And I think the cards are really sharp on card autos because
• 1:03:19
  Inception tends to be a mixture of on card versus sticker autos, and I
• 1:03:23
  think most of these are going to be on card autos. Yeah, And
• 1:03:29
  I guess I should have done better on the reading comprehension before I gave the
• 1:03:31
  overview of this, because it's not even just a random game. It's from
• 1:03:36
  the first hit, like the game where the player had their first hit.
• 1:03:40
  So it's like the pro debut cards where it is tied into that player doing
• 1:03:46
  something. And I think that's I didn't actually realize that, And I think
• 1:03:50
  that really elevates it even further that if you're getting something that actually can be
• 1:03:54
  related to an important moment like that, that it's such a really cool card
• 1:04:01
  that you know, typically when we see these authenticated cards, they're in products
• 1:04:06
  like Triple Threads and like, I've got a couple and you type in the
• 1:04:12
  authenticated info on MLB and it's like always a random spring training game. It's
• 1:04:17
  always it's never like any sort of consequential game or cool game. So it's
• 1:04:24
  really almost like having a piece of like Hall of Fame museum level history with
• 1:04:30
  the card because it links to the player's first career hit during that game.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah, and it even looks like from the few that I'm seeing out there,
• 1:04:39
  they're being creative with the parallels. And so the out of ten Milestone
• 1:04:45
  patches actually have taken the portion of the base that has the MLB logo on
• 1:04:48
  it, and it's kind of like the NBA logo Man card to a degree,
• 1:04:55
  and that's in the card is the actual MLB logo of the hitter on
• 1:05:00
  the base, and so they've really kind of thought through what they're putting out
• 1:05:05
  as far as that consistency, because every out of ten that I've seen seems
• 1:05:10
  to have that that aspect of them. Like I said, as you look
• 1:05:13
  at the cards that are even just posted right now on eBay, they all
• 1:05:17
  look different. Everyone's got staining, you know, cleat marks on it.
• 1:05:21
  There's all kinds of things. There's someone that basically look like they're almost pure
• 1:05:27
  brown because they've just covered in dirt, and so you don't wash your cards
• 1:05:30
  up. Public service announcement. But it is really really a cool card,
• 1:05:36
  and I think they're gonna they're gonna fetch a pretty penny. The only one
• 1:05:40
  I've seen sold so far was out of ninety nine with for one hundred and
• 1:05:43
  fifty. But you've already got ones up there that are, you know,
• 1:05:47
  asking five hundred, seven hundred dollars. That's cool. Yeah, all right,
• 1:05:53
  And we'll link to a few of those in the show notes as well,
• 1:05:56
  so you can see what we're looking at that you don't have to go
• 1:05:59
  punch around on eBay yourself. Will make it easy for you. And then
• 1:06:01
  the other thing I also like about this set is another easy rainbow to chase.
• 1:06:08
  So if you're looking for small rainbows to chase and putting together all the
• 1:06:14
  all of the parallels of your favorite player, hopefully you can get the Inception
• 1:06:18
  one of one, but if you want to get the rest of them,
• 1:06:21
  it would be a Blue of twenty five, Orange of fifty, Red of
• 1:06:28
  seventy five, Magenta of ninety nine, Purple of one, fifties unnumbered green
• 1:06:33
  based parallels, and just the regular base. So that's two four, six,
• 1:06:42
  seven eight cards including the one of one in the base. So it's
• 1:06:45
  a pretty small rainbow and just about like the actual eight you know, like
• 1:06:50
  actually like Roy G. Bibbs style. So that's kind of cool as well.
• 1:06:55
  That Inception, I think, I know we've been kind of down on
• 1:06:59
  some sets that have been coming out, but I'm really excited to have Inception
• 1:07:01
  back. And it did feel like when Tops made the cuts that they were
• 1:07:06
  trying to cut through like our hearts with just like some of the between Inception
• 1:07:13
  and Stadium Club going away that it's great to have some of those more fun,
• 1:07:17
  kind of offbeat sets that I think. Really what I like about Inception
• 1:07:24
  is that it's about having that physical card and so seeing how detailed it can
• 1:07:30
  be in terms of the colors and just the designs, it really enhances the
• 1:07:34
  entire set overall. It's like a classy tops Fire. Yes, I don't
• 1:07:40
  think anybody's ever called tops Fire classy, but even to your rainbow point,
• 1:07:45
  like if you look at some of the Patch autos, like you could you
• 1:07:48
  could easily just say, hey, I want to get all of the standard
• 1:07:53
  Patch autos, and there's four of them. If you don't go into the
• 1:07:56
  manufacturer logoo or the uniform buttons or anything like that, you just want the
• 1:08:00
  Jersey ones. Yeah, so there's some opportunity. I will say, though,
• 1:08:04
  this does tend to be a product that sells very, very high after
• 1:08:10
  it comes out, usually in the spring, because it's right when you're coming
• 1:08:14
  out the big name rookies are coming out. You know, you're investing in
• 1:08:16
  them and so, and then it can take kind of quite a tumble based
• 1:08:21
  on their value. I don't know if that means coming out in December,
• 1:08:27
  if that's going to kind of already be baked into the prices, or you're
• 1:08:31
  still going to see that significant bump early because there's some folks that just love
• 1:08:35
  these cards really buy them, and they do tend to i'd say, open
• 1:08:41
  a little bit slower than other sets, just based on the price point in
• 1:08:44
  the single box, and so they kind of slowly filter themselves in the marketplace.
• 1:08:48
  So yeah, I think it's a fun set. Actually, if you
• 1:08:53
  aren't into this, one makes me think of like Leaf Trinity, if you've
• 1:08:56
  done those before, it's kind of as Leaf trendity to the knock off the
• 1:09:00
  Inception and the Inception k not of Fleet trendy. I don't know, but
• 1:09:02
  I think those are are some really fun cards that you can get into.
• 1:09:08
  And I've got a number of the Inception cards in my collection. Yeah,
• 1:09:14
  and I'll be interested to see where the market goes, as you said,
• 1:09:16
  because the other reason I think it could be a little bit different market for
• 1:09:21
  Inception this year is that came after Tier one, and so Tier one and
• 1:09:26
  Inception in terms of also like the quality of the the signatures and the relics
• 1:09:33
  that are in the products are pretty close, and so usually it's flipped and
• 1:09:40
  Tier one I think traditionally has seen a little bit of like a lower market
• 1:09:45
  than what Inceptions heats up to be because of that that people will snag an
• 1:09:49
  Inception card before Tier one and might not want to go back and get another
• 1:09:54
  Tier one card of their favorite players. So it could be flipped this year,
• 1:09:57
  which would also make things interesting. And I mean it could be the
• 1:10:00
  year that if you've been trying to eye some Inception cards of your favorite players,
• 1:10:04
  that it could be the year that's you know, the prices are the
• 1:10:10
  most reasonable. Yep, absolutely so great set. If you want to get
• 1:10:14
  tried to just you know, play in the high end just a little bit,
• 1:10:17
  probably the set. I would recommend to try that out, see how
• 1:10:20
  it feels, and at the end of the day, you're not out too
• 1:10:23
  bad regardless of the hits. And there's some great names in the set.
• 1:10:27
  Don't get me wrong, there's always a few duds as far as the relievers
• 1:10:30
  or your guys that spent a day up on the major league roster. But
• 1:10:34
  this this year's rookie class was fantastic and so I think that you definitely being
• 1:10:42
  later in the season, there's a little bit more to that as far as
• 1:10:45
  being able to pull guys that had a great year. And I think it's
• 1:10:50
  gonna be one that we probably talked about down the road here is as a
• 1:10:55
  set that we both collect. Yeah, absolutely all right. In other cards
• 1:11:00
  news, we actually I hinted at this before the break, is that we
• 1:11:03
  had lots of stuff added to the schedule that we thought that there would be
• 1:11:09
  limited releases coming out here over the next month. But on top of Tops
• 1:11:14
  Inception coming out today on December sixth, they also dropped Tops Chrome Update,
• 1:11:18
  Sapphire Edition online on Tops dot com, and Bowman Draft is coming out next
• 1:11:25
  week on the twelfth. After that, we've got another new addition to the
• 1:11:30
  roster of Tops High, Tops Heritage High Number, So the base set of
• 1:11:35
  Tops Heritage gets an add on of you know, it's almost like update being
• 1:11:42
  run, but for Tops Heritage that comes out of the thirteenth. Another high
• 1:11:45
  end product, Tops Chrome Black, which is one of my favorites. I've
• 1:11:49
  never ripped it, but I love buying the singles that comes out on twelve
• 1:11:54
  fifteen, and then ones that we already knew about. In terms of Tops
• 1:11:59
  Japan Edition coming out in the sixteenth, Penninian National Treasures got pushed back to
• 1:12:03
  the twenty ninth, and Bowman's still on the roster in May the eighth.
• 1:12:10
  In twenty twenty fourth, So brew anything out of those upcoming sets that really
• 1:12:15
  piques your interest. Yeah, I think that. You know, Bowen Draft
• 1:12:18
  is always an exciting product, but the price point has really gotten up there
• 1:12:23
  in the in the last few years, so it's a little less accessible,
• 1:12:27
  but always fun to chase and maybe put together a paper set of that.
• 1:12:30
  Chrome Black I think is usually a very classy set, even like sometimes you
• 1:12:38
  talk about what cards, what sets do you want to get the base cards
• 1:12:41
  out of, like a stadium club. Chrome's always won I went the base
• 1:12:44
  cards out of, but I would definitely say and Inception is another good example.
• 1:12:48
  Tier one I think is a good example. But Chrome Black, I
• 1:12:53
  think is a fantastic example of a car set where you just want the base
• 1:12:58
  card even sometimes when you talk about the autos and some of the parallels,
• 1:13:01
  like actually for the base autos in chrome black, just because the the sleek
• 1:13:08
  black matt look and how those jump it is a lot of those autos are
• 1:13:14
  encased and a one touch when when you when you get them, so uh,
• 1:13:18
  for for me personally, that's always a debate of am I going to
• 1:13:24
  take it out of the one touch and put it into a top loader and
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  eventually I do it after like sitting there for six months, uh, seeing
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  it sticking out of the box. It doesn't fit with every other card I
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  have, but you know, those are all personal issues. So but I
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  think you nailed the the the nail right on the head is that Pops chrome
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  black. I love it. It's one of my favorite leases. I think
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  it might have also been on the chopping block too. But it seems like
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  they brought everything. We need to go back and find the list of the
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  original chopping blocks. It feels like I almost think, oh, almost everything
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  outside of like the opening day, Yeah made it through fire fire and fire
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  and fire fire. Yeah. I just just wait. We're gonna have like
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  a New Year's Eve release of tops Fire over at Targets. I would actually
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  be in on that. I like fire. Oh I buy rip Fire every
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  year that was out. Yeah. Well but tops chome black is you nailed
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  it with sleek that like it is the matte black. There aren't other cards
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  out that like really resemble it. It's really hard to describe because compared to
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  other chrome finishes on cards that have a shine to them, this has a
• 1:14:38
  chrome mat finish, which is it really stands out when you're flipping through your
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  own cards, and the color parallels are always spot on, that they are
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  always wonderfully done, always look great. That it's a really high end product.
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  And yeah, like I said, I've never ripped it, and I'm
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  not sure if I ever will, but it's a great one to hunt down
• 1:14:58
  your favorite players, and if you do rip it, like I think,
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  it is one of the probably better because better ones to do so if you're
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  playing in that little bit higher end market. Again, because unlike Inception has
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  like a lot of like the cool patches and autos, Tops Come Black usually
• 1:15:18
  has a really good auto list in terms of lots of Hall of Famers,
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  lots of stars, lots of rookies, and the duds are a little bit
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  fewer and far between, because it is a really limited set and limited product
• 1:15:30
  that they really wanted to kind of elevate it. So when it first started
• 1:15:34
  coming out, that's the route they've taken, and they've stuck with it over
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  the past few years. Yeah. Absolutely, So it's gonna be a fun,
• 1:15:42
  fun December with all these releases we weren't quite expecting, so I expect
• 1:15:46
  a few rundowns of the pod the next few weeks here. Yeah, we'll
• 1:15:50
  see what else they might add in there for us over the next couple of
• 1:15:55
  weeks, but we will wrap it up here and like I said, we'll
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  be batter again next week. We're going to be back onto the every week's
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  schedule and running all winter here as we've got more releases, more moves,
• 1:16:08
  and maybe we'll have news on where Otani and the soda return have settled for
• 1:16:14
  next week. So brew can you remind all the people out there where they
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• 1:16:38
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• 1:16:43
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