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  Unknown: Forward moving and focused on freedom. You're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Unknown: And here we go now,
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  Unknown: would we, Alvin Lee. Thank you very much for ushering us in again here on the
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  Wednesday
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  Wednesday edition, Miraculous, unusual word, Miraculous edition of
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  the Radio Ranch,
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  with me, Roger Sales. I did actually got out of bed in time this morning. That's a that's a positive start, I guess, Paul. And for Tom d, because I know he's riding the area over there. It's July twenty second
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  twenty sixth, the second day of my 70.
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  We'll start
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  couching it in those terms
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  till I lose track of it. Second day of the seventy eighth year.
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  And, many of those years about,
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  good lord, 34 of them now.
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  That's pretty healthy.
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  About 34 of them now have been, spent
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  in pursuit
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  of answers surrounding our,
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  our slavery
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  with these creeps,
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  these, creeps that have plagued the earth, I guess, since they hit it.
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  No telling how long ago.
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  We're still fighting them, although we, particularly our little family here, we got one upmanship
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  on them because we got their mojo.
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  You don't hear them. You know, they'd I wish I wish some of them had come around and still don't wanna debate the the Zionist issue with us or something like that. But,
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  you know, no matter how I entice them, Paul, I I entice them. I I slander
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  them. I try and call them ugly names in their own language, and
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  they just don't respond. I'm I'm Oh, yes. Almost at my wit's end. I'm almost at my wit's end there, Paul.
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  Well So you've got some information for the audience. Here's where we get started. I'll, turn it over to you and let you do your
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  Unknown: your bit.
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  Unknown: Really, all we've got to talk about is the website,
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  thematrixstocks.com,
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  and,
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  also
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  free conference call where you will find
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  the links for that on The Matrix
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  Docs, thematrixdocs.com.
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  Just click on any of the links for FCC and
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  join the conversation live. Come on in here, ask Roger anything.
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  Unknown: Ask me anything. For you. Come on down. It's just like an old game show. Ask ask the Raj about your freedom. You know? Something like that.
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  Ask Yeah. Could either we could have a theme song. Paul could come up with a theme song for us, all that stuff. We really we can Hollywood this up pretty good now. K. I don't think so, Tim.
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  Well, it was a good down, Paul.
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  Do what now? There's somebody there talking, Paul. Who's that?
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  Unknown: The what? Somebody
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  Unknown: said something and somebody You can't hear him. Directed. I won't hear you.
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  You can only hear me. You can't hear Paul. Is that correct? Is that what I hear?
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  Unknown: No. Only it could only oh, that's right. Okay. Here we go. Uh-huh. There we go. Todd, do we Alright. That was fixed.
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  Unknown: There we go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,
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  Unknown: That's who I hearing.
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  Podhome's been screwing up lately and it hasn't So been recording
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  the archive
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  I've had to go in,
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  grab a local recording,
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  edit it, which of
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  course occurs on server.
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  So I showed off that channel so it wouldn't interfere with the discussions that people were having in the room after the show yesterday,
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  and I forgot to turn that feed for this channel back into FCC again. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. We'll just knock you a couple of days, Pay. No problem. That's okay. Let's
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  Unknown: see. Well, about the only thing of any newsworthy event is we're still in the middle of this ping
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  pong match with the
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  folks over there in The Middle East, and, it's
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  you hear different things, the latest, and I mean, the latest.
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  Because I just listened to the interview with Pepe Escobar.
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  Pepe.
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  Pepe is pretty interesting guy. I like old Pepe. He's got a real nice demeanor.
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  Him and Larry Johnson are working. They've become pretty big buddies to set up a website. I can't remember the name of it, but
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  it's only it's been up about ten days, and they're they're doing a lot of stuff together. Both of them very likable guys. Both of them very, very credible.
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  Pepe says that there's
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  a the Iranians don't wanna talk.
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  They just want they went to Islamabad
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  Monday,
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  and he thinks they left this morning to go back to Iran.
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  And
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  that they're not really
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  negotiating with these people, although Iran has said, evidently, we don't have to sign a new agreement.
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  The only thing we have to do is just reinstitute
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  the previous one. We'll just start that from this day forward, boom, and reinstitute it the way it was
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  before
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  it got screwed up within about ten minutes.
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  It's a damn to sing. So Mhmm. The person that's wheeling the information behind the scenes
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  is somebody that Trump actually likes
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  is this Pakistani general, head of the general staff in Pakistan.
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  And, evidently, they're the ones that are communicating behind the scene, but we don't know.
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  Well, that's what the latest is from Pepe Escobar. That's the source.
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  That's the information.
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  All I know is it's probably gonna reverse,
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  and it's one of the damnedest,
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  stickiest,
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  throw me in the briar patch damn deals that Israel's ever pulled on us. Throw me in that briar patch,
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  Prez.
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  Yeah. He did. And you have briar patched the whole damn world with
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  with tar and feathers.
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  And it's really ugly, and it ain't getting any better any quick.
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  And,
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  it's got all kinds of implications as I know. We know. I'm just repeating what we already know.
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  Come on, Trump.
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  Stop this shit.
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  Walk away. Why? Why Oh, oh, what's the big mantra? Oh, Iran can't have a nuclear device.
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  That's what we've heard for
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  six months almost. Yeah. About six months.
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  Ad nauseam. What about Israel's freaking devices?
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  Not only do they have them, they stole them from us.
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  They stole the nuclear material.
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  They stole the triggers with that damn Hollywood producer.
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  They stole the whole thing. Kennedy said they were gonna have to have inspections,
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  and and they killed him.
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  But nobody ever mentions Israel and their Samson option and all their stock of nuclear
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  stockpiles.
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  But, boy, little old Iran, they can't even have one, Paul. They can't even be five nigga nigga nigga boobers or whatever the hell they used to measure the strength of the damn thing. They can't have any. They gotta join this damn organization that Israel runs already behind the scenes, of course. They gotta have these inspectors come and and and stroke them every every predictable amount of time, etcetera. Well, Israel doesn't have to have any of that.
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  They don't have to they don't even you know, they can say we we we might come with another more serious barrage.
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  They don't tell you. Everybody knows it. It's just the most ridiculous thing. Why
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  do these pieces of crap
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  always get this special
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  treatment?
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  Why? Because they've been able to use usury
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  to attain copious amounts of funding to go in and buy government and government officials,
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  and then they sit back and run everything. That's why they've been kicked out of all these countries over all these many
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  millennia.
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  K? It's nothing new. It's no big secret. Nobody wants to
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  fess up and say the damn truth. They're scared of it. We've got their mojo. We know how they did it. This
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  ought to be people ought to be
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  blowing showers
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  and yelling the news all over the damn country for god's sakes. We got the answer. We got their mojo.
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  Unknown: Yes, Paul. Think the the term you were looking for is megaton.
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  Like, five megaton
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  Unknown: bomb. Whatever. The line won't even care if it's five microtons.
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  Why do they get to have it? They don't have any inspections. They can publicly lie about it. They can threaten everybody in the world about it, but they don't have anything, and they're not they're not, made to participate.
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  Why? Because of usury.
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  Yeah. I mean, you know, it all comes right back down to that right there, doesn't it? They're actual are they actually the only
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  Unknown: country on the planet that has
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  the Samson
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  option.
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  Unknown: Yes.
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  Unknown: They're the only ones.
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  Yes. They are. So if they're gonna go down, they're gonna take out everyone.
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  Unknown: Everybody. Well, that's their that's their demeanor. This is the way these people think.
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  You understand why I say never people wanna criticize me. Oh, Roger. Gotta get them out of the gene pool. Look. That's not my that's not my dictate. That's their dictate. They're the ones that are dictating the remedy. I've gone over this several times on the inner ear. Yeah. I don't even I don't I'll kill a fly,
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  and, but, usually, I'll even in my older age, in my 70 year, if there's a spider, unless it was like a brown recluse or a tarantula or something, I'd take that thing and put a piece of paper down, get him up on it, and then throw him out in the garden out there. You know? Go go live in your big, bad world.
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  I don't even kill those people. But the reason I say we gotta deal with these people this way is
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  it's the only thing they understand.
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  From my studies of all these years and interactions with these people and the constant things we see in front of us on the news like this Iran situation, the way they're handling this.
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  Oh, yeah. They they get two of their one of them is us, and the other is Iran. We get them fighting, and we just sit back and do our own stuff and watch them kill each other and all that kind of stuff. That's exactly what they're doing.
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  And Yeah. So
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  so what do you do with them?
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  Can't live with I think the current situation pretty well proves you can't live with them, doesn't it?
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  Unknown: Uh-huh.
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  Unknown: Mean, doesn't it? Ask the ask the Lebanese. Can you live with the son of a bitches?
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  Unknown: Can can
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  we just go back to the good old days when we had mutually assured destruction?
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  Everybody had weapons and was too too afraid to use them because of Oh, it didn't matter back then. Signing their own death warrant. Well, it didn't matter. Israel still is
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  Unknown: slipping these things on the side. They're not in the in that club,
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  in the Mutually Assured Destruction Club.
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  They they their their thing there isn't mutual assured.
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  Theirs is we get everything, and if we don't, we destroy everybody,
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  including ourselves and whatever it is we're after. That's their mentality.
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  Unknown: If we go down, we're taking the rest of you with us.
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  Unknown: Yeah. That's what I said, I think. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So okay. So attitude.
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  Is it it doesn't it boil down to the either
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  we can't live with these people. That's what I've concluded.
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  Except that you almost got to because they've got all the specialty knowledge and everything on financial stuff. In many instances, they're the connivers
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  because money is their god. There goes Paul zipping his zippo.
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  The their money god is their money, or money is their god. Default, especially debt money is their god.
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  And
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  Oh my goodness. It all comes from usury, and that all comes from the only they've gotta get credit systems in place. That's where the usury come. They milk the usury out of credit systems.
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  Anyway, folks, I hate to get on here third day in a row, at least get on here and wail about these people, but
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  we Adele, you wanna talk about the root cause of all this is them.
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  Sorry.
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  Oh, yeah. I know. I know. There's other nationalities and ethnicities involved. I know. But the other ethnicities don't use the Babylonian merchant law. That's the skill of these people.
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  They don't they don't go in and use all this other stuff that these that is totally indigenous to this
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  tribe.
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  Yeah. So, anyway,
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  hopefully,
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  something good will come out of this. It doesn't look like it. It looks like,
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  you know, save up your urine if you're waiting for fertilizer.
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  Start a big urine pool. You and the family can propagate
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  it out there. You'll have plenty of fertilizer.
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  Start get anything you can get shored up.
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  It it this financial thing's coming like a freight train.
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  Don't know when, but it probably Yeah.
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  Could be this fall, folks. I mean, everything's set up for the October's the big month, of course.
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  Devil's month.
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  A lot of things set up for that right now. Their monetary system has gotten to the point. The ultimate the ultimate answer on their monetary system that we're we're the collateral for, by the way,
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  is a credit seize up because the
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  compounding interest on all of these debts has overcome the ability of anybody to service the debt, and then everything locks up.
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  Bill Holter, as he was saying again and using again, as he noted the other day on his example of a bread,
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  he said, they're probably if you were dubbed to be known on the amount of the the number of
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  credit incidents
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  that take place for that bread to appear on that shelf
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  are probably over a 100.
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  Now
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  this also a 100 is is a nice number. It brings this other thought to mind. I heard a guy saying the other day about you were talking about getting things back to normal a minute ago, Paul?
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Unknown: How about the Straits Of Hormuz?
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  Guys, we gotta get back to normal there. So he says, what is normal over there?
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  A 100 ships a day
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  for a hundred days
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  is normal.
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  We're
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  a long way from that, buddy. 100 ships a day for a hundred days is normal passage and cargo passage through the Straits Of Whore Music. We ain't even at a miniscule of that.
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  No.
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  No way. So it could be serious times. I hope wherever you are and whoever you are listening, whenever you listen, you might be listening far into the future. Who knows?
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  If so, I hope you got yourself prepared. Obviously, if you're listening to this in the future, you probably did somehow.
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  But just folks, I mean, I can't tell you what to do. I don't know who you are. I don't know what your life is. I don't know what the characteristics are, good and bad,
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  what you've done right, what you've done wrong,
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  etcetera, but get as ready as you can.
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  Get to know your neighbors. That'd be a real good starting point. Start looking for,
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  if you're out of the city,
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  if you've made that first move,
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  I'd start looking for people that have,
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  some way to grow food, maybe start,
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  start a little co op in your area. By the way, Paul, have you seen that that video of the of the drone
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  that flies into the guy's garden?
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  Unknown: No.
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  Unknown: Honest to goodness, drone flies into a guy's garden and said that he's suspiciously growing
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  growing things for food.
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  They got this thing teed up, folks. Big time, big time.
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  So we we'll see if they can execute or not.
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  I don't think they're totally ready to execute, and I think they're being forced to push some of these things. I hope so.
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  That's generally when they make mistakes,
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  that we could potentially take advantage of. The thing we've got going for us is we got this wonderful truth right here that we know. We know how they did it.
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  We know how all this is an illusion. Unfortunately,
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  it's kinda real.
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  You know, it's an illusion that's built on the fact that we call
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  money debt
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  and that we think we're free. It's it's based on that Hegelian
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  Hegel no. Goethe. Excuse me. Goethe,
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  g o e r t h e, I think, the way it's spelled, Goethe.
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  It's one of the German words, of course, German philosopher,
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  Unknown: around town. See? Hegel and all. G Hello? G o g o e t h e, Goethe.
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  Unknown: Oh, Goethe. Okay. Thank you,
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  Joe. It's an unusual spelling, Goethe. He wrote Faust. I don't know if you're familiar with Faust
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  about the guy who cut a deal with the devil. It's an opera.
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  But as Goethe is saying that I think they patterned, there are none so helplessly enslaved. Now get as I've stressed the adjectives here. There are none so
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  helplessly
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  enslaved
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  as those who falsely
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  believe they're free.
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  Buddy, that's us.
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  Girly,
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  that's us right there. That's
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  our country.
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  You look around. You've heard it. You're talking to people about this. You've heard it, but I'm free already.
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  Well, okay.
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  I'll admit I'm in financial
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  bondage.
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  Yes. And a little bit more than that.
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  There's a coffer right there. Coffer, you got something to say?
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  No. That that was me. That was you. Okay. Yeah. Alright.
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  So, Paul, what else is going on, man? Here in the middle of summer, the doldrums getting how's the pack up getting coming along?
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  Unknown: Slow
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  but sure. And
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  I need to remote into your PC and set up free conference call on it because
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  we're we're getting to that point where I have to focus every every minute on Every spare minute. I
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  Unknown: agree with that. Well, have show today or you can do it right now if you want to. I don't care.
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  So it'll be how I connect in. I think I I now have a working magicJack
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  I can call in there, I believe.
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  And, thank you, Annie, for bringing me the phone with the big letters on it. Boy, does that make things easier. Woah.
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  Unknown: Makes a difference.
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  Unknown: A big difference, actually.
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  Let's see what else is going on. Didn't do too much yesterday.
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  Just kinda hang around. I ate ate a little of that steak I I bought the on Monday and
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  just kinda laid around.
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  Unknown: I actually went grocery shopping a few days ago.
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  Went on a quest for deep discounts on expired meat,
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  which is basically
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  the the way I get anything other than hamburger
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  in the house. And Yeah. I got
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  a pretty good deal on on some small steaks and stuff. So have those in the freezer. I'll I'll get to them. Mhmm.
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  Unknown: I imagine
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  when you get out to Oklahoma,
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  aren't you gonna be able to get some of that grass fed beef out there, I'll bet you. Yeah.
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  Unknown: But I won't be able to get it for get it at 50% off.
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  Unknown: Well, yeah, these are well, you never know. I mean, I don't know what the market is out there. I'm sure Joe can point you to the best deal.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Unknown: So, anybody in the audience? We're here for new people. Any new people drifting here? I think I'll check out this FCC thing. Bam. Here's a good channel. Woah. Here I am.
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  If you're that person, you've just kinda stumbled into here what we use free people.
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  We help them get free. We point them and direct them, and if asked, instruct them
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  on how to complete the process to officially, I'm talking about with quotation marks officially,
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  Remove yourself from the federal government
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  and,
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  remove
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  yourself back to the original status in the country for the first almost hundred years,
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  a state citizen that, for some reason, people,
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  they don't think it's there like these this guy in Augusta, he just doesn't seem to think it's there.
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  So, anyway but that's what we do. The federal government agrees with us. They have for many years, fifteen at least,
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  This month in many many respects,
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  and
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  but we can't get very many people to do it. People are scared. Either they're scared or they love their slavery like
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  oh, what was his name? The English guy that wrote about that. I'll think of it in a minute.
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  But he wrote that they'll actually love their slavery. And
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  You know what? In many instances, damn, they do.
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  No. It wasn't Minken. It was some
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  the the English guy. No. Minken was American.
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  The English guy, Bernard.
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  I don't wanna say Bernard Shaw, but he's one of his contemporaries. I'll think of his name in a minute.
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  Oh, that's the one of the drawbacks of being
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  in your 70 year, by the way.
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  Although there's some positives.
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  So we're here for people that are new, and we love new people. You're the lifeblood of what we do. We hadn't seen too many of the new folks. I don't know if what the reason is. I don't know if there's not many of them on the air here. I don't know if they're scared. I don't well, hello? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. How? Huxley.
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  Unknown: It's Lisa, not sir, ma'am. Huxley
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  is who said that supposedly.
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  People after slavery?
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  Unknown: Well, yeah, him and and and and what's what's his name? The the writer.
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  Oh, goddamn.
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  Can you believe I can't remember that? No.
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  It wasn't. It was
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  I wanna say he was a contemporary Bernard
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  Shaw, but he all those guys were contemporaries.
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  I'll think of it in a second.
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  He was pretty prolific writer. And isn't he right? Who whoever he said it, though, aren't they right?
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  Most of these people love their slavery, don't they?
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  I'm gonna get one of these days, I'm gonna hit a topic that you guys wanna converse about. We've hit them occasionally here, but I gotta just about pull it out of you.
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  Pull it out of you. Come on. Let's discuss this. Don't you have a question? Don't you have a comment? You want Raj to just sit here and pontificate?
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  Hell, I can do it.
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  You know? And that's what I can do. Question?
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  Yes. Very good.
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  Hello.
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  Have we spoken before?
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  Unknown: We have. Yes. We have. This is Beth. I recently sent my Oh, hey, Beth. My paperwork
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  in to the secretary of state, so I'm I'm at that point. I haven't gotten anything else, my passport or anything, but I've got that established.
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  Alright. I'm just thinking about the you know, the IRS thing, that's awesome. But I'm just thinking about, like, we have flock cameras in our neighborhood, and isn't that as a constitutionally
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  given right against my
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  constitutional rights to be,
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  Unknown: you know, flocked to residents.
• 27:06
  Well, I don't know. Let me ask you a well, can can I ask you a couple of questions? Let's explore your statement here. You're you're new. Sure. What could
• 27:15
  constitutional
• 27:16
  rights are you referring to?
• 27:20
  Unknown: Illegal search.
• 27:23
  Unknown: Isn't that kind of searching? Well, that one that that one could apply, but you see it that do you as you just sent your your stuff in, so you've changed status recently.
• 27:34
  For the old Beth
• 27:36
  for the old Beth who was a fourteenth amendment citizen, does she have access to all that?
• 27:43
  Would mean access to what? Well, I mean, they're not constitutional
• 27:46
  rights. They're god given rights that the document protects from government.
• 27:51
  Okay?
• 27:52
  Unknown: Right.
• 27:53
  Unknown: Right. So for the first base is we gotta identify these things correctly.
• 27:59
  Okay. And we get down to this is the way we start parsing our thinking
• 28:04
  and going back and going hold it. That's not really that's kind of a generalization.
• 28:10
  I've gotta come back and say, are these are fourteenth amendment rights, and civil rights are the only rights we get out of that document.
• 28:19
  So if there are any constitutional rights,
• 28:22
  they're civil rights,
• 28:24
  not god given rights.
• 28:25
  So that's what we're trying to do, Beth, is get your thinking
• 28:29
  to that point. Right.
• 28:31
  Unknown: Oh, okay. So you're gonna have to explain that a little bit more Okay. For me. Alright. God given rights to be left alone, right, to be not Well purged.
• 28:41
  Unknown: By. Well, you used to. You used to until you were put into servitude,
• 28:46
  and then those were potentially altered.
• 28:48
  You used to have second amendment rights that you could have any kind of weapon the government have. Now you have to go to some dealer and get a license and do all this other fancy stuff. So do you still still have a second amendment right or not?
• 29:05
  Are you referring to which status am I are you referring to then? No. No. I'm just trying I'm I'm I'm trying to explore with you this really important difference of god given rights and civil rights.
• 29:18
  Okay. Yeah. I don't I don't know that. Alright. Well, listen. This is critical. You need to understand this.
• 29:25
  Because civil rights under the fourteenth amendment for former Negro slaves
• 29:30
  are in a small
• 29:31
  r.
• 29:32
  Civil small r rights. If you go back and look at the
• 29:36
  declaration of independence,
• 29:39
  god,
• 29:40
  rights,
• 29:41
  duties,
• 29:42
  citizen,
• 29:43
  a bunch of those words are capitalized
• 29:45
  in there, and they were god given rights that were constitutionally protected.
• 29:51
  So the document
• 29:52
  gives you no rights.
• 29:54
  It gives you privileges
• 29:58
  that they call rights.
• 30:00
  But
• 30:01
  because they're civil rights and given by government,
• 30:04
  they can be given, and then they can also be altered,
• 30:08
  and they can also be taken away.
• 30:11
  So those are privileges.
• 30:13
  So we need we need to get your thinking down to divide
• 30:17
  between god given rights, which god gave you at birth,
• 30:21
  and privileges,
• 30:23
  which government gives you and can alter or take away
• 30:26
  because those aren't the same. And when you say the Fourth Amendment,
• 30:30
  I'm not sure exactly which areas if the fourth is affected by that,
• 30:36
  but there are certain of the 10 bill
• 30:39
  of rights
• 30:40
  that are not totally protected for fourteenth amendment citizens.
• 30:45
  Second amendment, the example I gave you being one of them. Look at the what they're they're trying to do right now. They're trying to take away your first amendment rights.
• 30:56
  Unknown: Yeah. Right.
• 30:57
  Unknown: Well, then they're not First Amendment rights, are they? If they can take them away.
• 31:02
  Okay. So, see, these are these differences,
• 31:05
  what I wanna do, Beth
• 31:07
  and I'm not trying to shame you. I'm just showing you these really important differences
• 31:13
  and why it makes us so powerful because we think two or three levels below
• 31:18
  what other people think.
• 31:22
  Unknown: Below or above?
• 31:24
  Unknown: Well, whichever way you wanna put it.
• 31:27
  I like it. Like, taking the the skin off an onion. You know, you go down to the center. Okay. There you go. Okay. Gotcha. But these are all skins of the onion that they put on there that obfuscate people's thinking
• 31:38
  and make them we see, well, you know, people say, well, I think, well, I don't care what you think. Well well, you've told me all this stuff. None of it's right. You're not thinking anything.
• 31:48
  All you're doing is opening your mouth like the parrot and saying, Polly, a cracker.
• 31:54
  All you're doing is just responding.
• 31:56
  You're not thinking.
• 32:00
  Unknown: So so what is the flock camera again? I mean, it's
• 32:04
  Unknown: Well, think was okay.
• 32:07
  Well, I'm as I said, I'm not sure on the fourth exactly some of the
• 32:12
  oh, some of the things that might be negated by being a Fourth Amendment citizen. I know Devin Devin has got it in our citizenship handbook there for nationals. It's on the website.
• 32:24
  About 70 pages that goes over this whole thing real structurally.
• 32:29
  He's got that in there on on which ones have some differences. You don't even have access to the eighth, ninth, or tenth amendment.
• 32:40
  K?
• 32:41
  You you got some access to some of the other ones, but not total. They're not gonna tell you different.
• 32:48
  But that's the degree that we've got to approach these subjects in
• 32:53
  and to think at that level because that's where you're gonna get the truth. And if you go in other words, god spoke the world into existence, Beth.
• 33:03
  So, obviously, word words mean things.
• 33:06
  K? Absolutely. To get the right definition with the right word, and we're conveying the right
• 33:12
  definition in conversations
• 33:14
  because the word is a skin of a thought.
• 33:18
  So when we're exchanging these concepts of thinking,
• 33:22
  we wanna make sure we're on the right one, and the only way to do that is to do this.
• 33:27
  Because that's where they've got us fooled right there. We think they're talking apples,
• 33:32
  and they're talking oranges, and you're enslaved and don't even know it.
• 33:36
  Right.
• 33:38
  Unknown: Okay. Hey, Roger.
• 33:40
  Unknown: Okay. Well, there's Gary. Hey, Gary. You got something for our gal, Beth here?
• 33:46
  Unknown: Yeah. Beth, have you read the two pages of court cases that's on the website?
• 33:52
  Unknown: No. Which website?
• 33:54
  National status or something? No. Matrixmatrixdocs.com
• 33:59
  Unknown: on our home site.
• 34:01
  Unknown: Well, you can download a two page document. I don't know where Paul's got it,
• 34:06
  but it's two pages of court cases. And I think if you read through those,
• 34:10
  you'll understand the difference that Roger's talking about. It's just a site. They're just sites.
• 34:17
  Unknown: Yeah. Sorry, Gere. Go ahead.
• 34:19
  Unknown: Those are actual court cases where the Supreme Court has ruled
• 34:24
  that basically you as a fourteenth amendment citizen have no rights that the government can grant them and take them away at will.
• 34:33
  I got that word.
• 34:35
  Unknown: Okay. Okay. That's what we're really Okay.
• 34:39
  Unknown: Switched over to national. How do how do I look at it now? Alright. Alright. Well, Paul, where's Paul? He's got him down there. He's done all that. Our website was just a last minute. Start throwing things against the wall. And, Paul, are you with us, buddy? Where can you direct Beth to get the court cases?
• 34:58
  Uh-oh. Paul's off doing something. I'll wait till he comes back, Gary. Good idea. They're on there. A lot of other information on there too. Also wanna thank Dave and Kay for their national status website,
• 35:11
  which is excellent.
• 35:14
  But what Gary's referring to is
• 35:17
  five different the couple pages of sites, just case sites.
• 35:22
  Some of them are supreme court, some of them aren't, and they just go over and stress the fact that your property is federal government.
• 35:29
  And Right.
• 35:31
  As in you're not anymore because you've at least sent in your exploratory
• 35:35
  paper. How long ago did you do that, Beth?
• 35:39
  Unknown: Oh,
• 35:41
  Unknown: been two or three months ago, I guess.
• 35:44
  Unknown: Okay. So why are you dragging your feet on the rest of it?
• 35:48
  Just to, like, make sure you wanna make sure or what?
• 35:51
  Procrastinator
• 35:52
  Unknown: like me?
• 35:55
  Unknown: No. I've had some issues with family,
• 35:58
  so I I needed to go take care of my mom and stuff, and I just haven't haven't got to it. So
• 36:03
  Unknown: Alright. Well, listen. It's important. It's not totally necessary. Here's what
• 36:08
  here's the other side of it. If you don't take care of all the back end of this
• 36:13
  Right. Something could happen potentially.
• 36:17
  I don't know. You get a ticket or whatever it may be. We've had several incidences
• 36:21
  like this.
• 36:23
  When you don't get the back end taken care of and that happens, now you have not set a record with your local area of notice Mhmm. Due process and stuff.
• 36:34
  And now just make sure he'll your your uphill climb a little steeper.
• 36:38
  Mean, that's the repercussions
• 36:40
  from it. So just so you know.
• 36:43
  K. You some people probably never done that.
• 36:47
  Unknown: Yeah. Okay.
• 36:49
  So if I'm in several states, do I have to do several states worth
• 36:52
  Unknown: of attorney generals and all that? Well, you know, you don't have to. You don't have to do any of this. It's like Right. Right. Are your
• 37:01
  choices. You know? Do you need to?
• 37:05
  I don't know. I don't know how frequently you're in two states. Are you traveling in both? Is it one city in both?
• 37:12
  You know, all of the variables.
• 37:16
  Right. But couldn't hurt. Okay. Couldn't hurt. Right.
• 37:19
  Unknown: Gotcha.
• 37:21
  Unknown: Because our whole legal system, and you'll even hear it
• 37:25
  you'll hear it applied to other areas of law too, you know, is we must follow the rule of law. Right. You've heard that?
• 37:32
  What what rule which law which laws rules are we following?
• 37:37
  There's about seven or eight different areas. Could you clarify just a little, please?
• 37:43
  We must follow the rule of law.
• 37:51
  I'm gonna All of those hold on. I had I had some place I was going with that. All of those are underpinned,
• 37:58
  Beth,
• 37:59
  by a concept
• 38:01
  called due
• 38:03
  process.
• 38:04
  As Brent would say, it's a common law concept,
• 38:08
  but it applies to other bodies of law. It's the process
• 38:11
  that he would say is due and owing
• 38:13
  to a matter.
• 38:15
  I was taught that due process is notice
• 38:18
  and the right to be heard.
• 38:21
  And and because that's the way I was taught, that's why I'm teaching you guys, and, that's what it is. So what you're doing is you're initiating
• 38:29
  the most important element that underpins our all of our law system is called due process.
• 38:36
  Notice in the right to be heard. I'm giving you notice
• 38:40
  that I have officially changed my political status from whence
• 38:44
  I get my rights and to whom I owe my duties,
• 38:48
  and I've done it the right way and the official way,
• 38:51
  and I'm just letting you know.
• 38:53
  And if you've got anything that you don't agree with here or that you would like to challenge me on, here's here's your opportunity.
• 39:01
  That's the second half of due process.
• 39:04
  And if they don't do anything,
• 39:07
  then there's another legal candidate that says, well, hell, you agree with me.
• 39:12
  Notice deems consent. If I've told you these things and you don't have any objection, well, I guess you don't have any objection then, do you?
• 39:22
  Unknown: Right.
• 39:23
  Unknown: Well, I'll be it's also logical.
• 39:29
  So you take that in your hands. I do not know the load that's on your plate,
• 39:34
  but go out about in the world. And whenever you feel it's important to do this, it's not difficult. May take a few minutes.
• 39:43
  It's not difficult. It's not really totally expensive.
• 39:46
  And if you've got any questions about doing any of this, there's plenty
• 39:50
  of the national
• 39:52
  status
• 39:53
  can help. There's other other areas that can help you too.
• 39:57
  So we'll kinda leave it in your hands. But, Beth, being as you're new, do you have any questions about that process or anything else
• 40:05
  while I've got you on the line here?
• 40:09
  Unknown: Oh,
• 40:11
  Unknown: no. Well, first of all, what part of the country are you in?
• 40:15
  Unknown: Remind me. Oklahoma too.
• 40:18
  Unknown: How are you?
• 40:19
  Paul is just one of your new neighbors.
• 40:22
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 40:23
  Unknown: Yeah. You're not even here to help her. Paul,
• 40:26
  come on. Man,
• 40:30
  I'll tell you he's off he's off messing with that kitty or something.
• 40:34
  Okay. Well, we'll get to him. What part of the great state of Oklahoma are you in, Beth?
• 40:40
  Unknown: I'm in Tulsa.
• 40:43
  Unknown: We've got a number of people in the Tulsa area. Good deal. That's not too far away from where Paul's gonna be, I don't think.
• 40:50
  Unknown: Okay.
• 40:51
  He's on Tulsa time.
• 40:54
  Unknown: Yep. You know what? You know, I used to work with him, Mer.
• 40:58
  Yeah. Who who you say?
• 41:01
  Who?
• 41:02
  Who authored and sang that song and made it a hit?
• 41:06
  Unknown: I forget
• 41:07
  Unknown: who. Don Williams. Nope.
• 41:11
  Don Williams,
• 41:12
  country boy
• 41:14
  that don't say too much.
• 41:17
  But he was one of us, Beth. Because I was working for a I just let me finish. I was working for ABC when that record came out, and he was in my territory one night. Go ahead.
• 41:27
  Unknown: Yeah. I just wondered if Beth was where she can see the FCC's pad or not, or is she just on the phone?
• 41:35
  Unknown: No. I'm on the phone. Phone number. Okay.
• 41:38
  Unknown: But, you know, I I put the stuff if I'm here and somebody else often does if I'm not in the
• 41:44
  numeral two radioranch.chitango.com
• 41:48
  because the FCC chat goes away.
• 41:51
  They're not in there when it's posted. You can't see it. So it's Are you talking two
• 41:56
  Unknown: two i's or the num number two, Bern, when you go through all this fancy lexic
• 42:02
  lexicology?
• 42:03
  Okay. So number two.
• 42:05
  Unknown: Okay. Numeral Remember
• 42:08
  Melody that worked at the post office? This is where I'm getting this from. I was saying number, and she says, no. You say numeral.
• 42:15
  Unknown: Okay. There you go. Well, thank you for correcting us.
• 42:19
  Unknown: Thank Melody.
• 42:21
  Unknown: Yeah. I
• 42:23
  thank all of y'all for just being here and putting up with me.
• 42:27
  Unknown: So it's the fourth item down right on the main page when you get into the matrixdocs.com,
• 42:32
  and it's a PDF with all those cases on there from Google Drive.
• 42:37
  Unknown: There's a fourth item down in the download section, which is a bit down on page, Marks. I'm
• 42:44
  Unknown: in download section, not the fourth item. Oh,
• 42:47
  Unknown: you're
• 42:48
  receiving makes mistakes.
• 42:50
  Unknown: Yeah. Oh, yes? Okay. One, two, three, four.
• 42:54
  US citizens are property.
• 42:56
  US national state citizens are not okay. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks.
• 43:01
  Unknown: Yeah. No. Thank you, Gary.
• 43:04
  Say hello to Gina.
• 43:06
  Beth,
• 43:07
  Gary, and Gina had a group. They're out in Montana,
• 43:10
  out in the Northwest
• 43:11
  Part of Montana. Calla spells the city, Flathead County is a county,
• 43:16
  and they had a group meeting
• 43:18
  regularly of over 50 people a week out there at one spot.
• 43:22
  Gary got sick and all kinds of complications,
• 43:25
  this, that, and the other. Gary told us the other day they were looking at having a reunion of sorts maybe sometime in August.
• 43:34
  Get everybody everybody bring something they cooked, and everybody just have a big picnic out there somewhere on a pretty day. Beautiful Northwest from Montana.
• 43:43
  Sounds great. Wish I could be there. Yeah.
• 43:47
  Beth, what other questions can we answer for you, sweetie, while we while we've chummed you up. I got you here on the surface.
• 43:55
  We're communicating,
• 43:56
  and I'm gonna try and see if I can squeeze everything out of you, milk a little time out of you. Okay? So what other questions have you got?
• 44:05
  Unknown: Oh, I can't think of anything. I just, you know, think of things outside you know, like your second amendment having, you know Mhmm. Right to bear on. I'm just trying to think outside
• 44:15
  what other things that will affect me. You know? Okay. Well, let me ask. If you're talking if
• 44:22
  Unknown: you're talking to one of your friends or something about this and they go, Beth,
• 44:25
  tell me the advantages. What advantages do I gain by being a national? What would you tell them?
• 44:33
  Unknown: That I would tell them that they wouldn't be under
• 44:37
  the federal government anymore. All those laws would not
• 44:40
  basically
• 44:41
  I think
• 44:43
  Apply? They wouldn't
• 44:45
  apply to me or you anymore.
• 44:47
  Unknown: And the second amendment is an easy one to understand that you have the right without a license and all that. No. There's a bunch of people around you that really like there's a lot of people out there where you are that really like firearms. Go ahead.
• 45:00
  Unknown: Right. There are.
• 45:02
  And
• 45:03
  then I think about, okay. How does that apply? How do the state laws are gonna apply to me. Right?
• 45:10
  I mean, I'm still understate
• 45:12
  Unknown: law. Well, it depends on if they're written for residence or not.
• 45:16
  Because if they're written for residence like your traffic laws,
• 45:20
  they may not apply to you. But do you wanna fight that battle?
• 45:26
  Unknown: Why wouldn't okay. Why wouldn't a,
• 45:31
  you know,
• 45:34
  speeding laws apply to me? Are those state laws? Actually, there's a former Texas
• 45:40
  Unknown: Eddie Craig. Is that the guy's name?
• 45:43
  He says that all those speed limits and all that stuff are strictly for 18
• 45:48
  wheelers in commerce,
• 45:50
  but they don't even apply to us. And
• 45:53
  and he's probably right. I don't know. It's not my baldy wick, but,
• 45:58
  again,
• 45:59
  it's that, no. They really don't.
• 46:02
  Unknown: As their Then I think it's good.
• 46:06
  Unknown: Yeah. Go ahead. I think it's good for society
• 46:08
  to have it. If they do. You don't wanna No. I agree. Crazy on the I
• 46:12
  totally agree with But that's something I would wanna abide
• 46:15
  by anyway over the I'm gonna pay it. That's just my mentality. I'm gonna pay it. I agree with that. And what I tell the audience
• 46:24
  Unknown: well, what I tell the audience here is you wanna be a national. That means that you're wanting to have full personal responsibility.
• 46:31
  So if you're gonna if you wanna do that, if you wanna go ahead and send that paperwork in and drive down Main Street at 80 miles an hour blowing through stop signs, will you go do that? But that's not being very responsible.
• 46:44
  And should you do that, you ought to pay the price.
• 46:46
  Okay? So I I agree with you. I think we ought to try above all and be responsible
• 46:52
  individuals.
• 46:53
  The reason for that is because this power that we've been able to attain
• 46:58
  is a power to attract.
• 47:02
  See, dark power, if you wanna put it that way,
• 47:05
  IRS,
• 47:06
  they can only exercise
• 47:08
  their power when they reach out to you either through the mail, send an agent by,
• 47:14
  and stuff like that. That's how they affect you.
• 47:17
  But white power, good power, if you wanna put it that way, attracts.
• 47:21
  And people see and say, man, I like that Beth. She's got such a great countenance.
• 47:26
  She's always happy.
• 47:28
  Nothing seems to ever affect her. What Beth, what makes you like that? So now they're coming to you and asking.
• 47:38
  Unknown: Is that a question?
• 47:40
  Unknown: No. I'm just saying those are those are two things I've been able. You know, this is a very interesting area,
• 47:46
  this difference between freedom and slavery,
• 47:49
  and you throw in the dialectical
• 47:51
  concept.
• 47:53
  And then let's look at it through a different lens.
• 47:55
  So you've got a white circle there that's separate by itself, and that's the white power if you do. And you got a dark power. I don't like to call it black power because of the obvious
• 48:06
  attachments,
• 48:07
  but a dark power source there next to it. And so if you're gonna be free,
• 48:14
  you've gotta be 100%
• 48:16
  free.
• 48:19
  But if you're a slave,
• 48:21
  you can be point o o o o o o 1%
• 48:25
  slave,
• 48:26
  Unknown: and you're still a slave. Still a slave. I agree. Yep.
• 48:30
  Unknown: Ain't that interesting in that that little dialectic interesting there?
• 48:36
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 48:37
  Yeah.
• 48:39
  Unknown: So these are the things, and this gets deep. Yes, ma'am. So you got a question or a comment, I wanna hear it.
• 48:45
  Unknown: Well, so I'm just still processing,
• 48:48
  you know, state
• 48:50
  laws versus federal laws that I'm not under the jurisdiction of the federal government anymore.
• 48:57
  But I you know,
• 48:58
  here in the states
• 49:00
  I mean, there's so many laws.
• 49:02
  I'm probably we're all probably
• 49:06
  violating a law some every day we we exist.
• 49:09
  I mean, I just found out you can't bring alcohol across state lines.
• 49:14
  Well, well, that's the Why old not?
• 49:17
  Unknown: Uh-huh. Well, that's the old idea of show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
• 49:24
  It's an old Soviet idea.
• 49:28
  Unknown: I don't understand that.
• 49:29
  Unknown: You don't understand that? That means I can charge anybody I see with anything,
• 49:35
  with something. Okay. And I've got so many laws on the books that they can't open their eyes and get out of bed without breaking one of them.
• 49:43
  Right.
• 49:44
  Okay.
• 49:45
  That's the Soviet way.
• 49:47
  Well, our way is just the opposite. Think of it this way maybe historically,
• 49:51
  Beth.
• 49:52
  First, they did these documents back in the seventeen hundreds, and there was only one status up until the mid, late sixties, and that was the state citizen guy. You're asking questions about all those law suits,
• 50:06
  all those laws, and everything up until that time, he was the only one they could apply them to.
• 50:12
  And
• 50:13
  then we had that audacious war,
• 50:16
  and we pulled the second one in from this way.
• 50:19
  And now they've figured a way to get us all switched over to that one because underneath it still underlies slavery.
• 50:26
  And the damnedest thing Right. If Bertrand Russell
• 50:31
  Bertrand
• 50:32
  Russell, Lisa,
• 50:33
  the damnedest thing was they get you to agree with it by tricking you and fooling you. And as Bertrand Russell said,
• 50:42
  they will love their slavery. By god, they do for the most part. It's getting a little it's getting a little dicey now because the economic stuff, but don't most people love their slavery.
• 50:55
  Unknown: Yes.
• 50:56
  Unknown: I it's the damnedest thing.
• 50:59
  Unknown: No.
• 51:02
  Unknown: So that's why, Beth, you are so rare.
• 51:07
  You are so rare, you and everyone else here, Beth.
• 51:11
  Unknown: Okay.
• 51:12
  Unknown: I agree. Reason, this information resonated with you. How did you find us, Beth?
• 51:19
  Unknown: Well,
• 51:20
  I mean, I came across to you back
• 51:26
  2007
• 51:27
  time.
• 51:28
  I was Oh, wow. Where it was
• 51:33
  Ron Paul was running for president, and he just Okay. Opened my mind.
• 51:38
  And I'd get on, you know, certain websites, and somehow I came across you back then, but it didn't make sense to me back then.
• 51:46
  And so it was
• 51:48
  I've I've heard your name several times, but it just didn't make sense. And it I never pursued it. I was pursuing other things. And then
• 51:56
  you were on rents again not too long ago, and that opened it up again. Well, I'm I've heard him before.
• 52:02
  Okay. I keep hearing your name. I need to go look at this. I don't understand it. I still don't. But I went to your website and and just and it made finally made sense.
• 52:14
  Unknown: So Okay. That's kinda Great. Well, listen. I you know, it depends. You never know. Some people see it immediately.
• 52:21
  Some people like you, they butt up against it, come back and see it again. And finally, after a couple of times, there must be something valid here I need to look into it.
• 52:31
  And you never know.
• 52:32
  But I'm glad you're with us. I'm glad you found us. I'm glad you got over the the line
• 52:38
  and to make that decision to move forward. And now all we wanna do is clean up everything else. So
• 52:44
  all any of this stuff that you still have any misgivings about,
• 52:48
  the way that you learn it, Beth, is drill, practice, rehearse.
• 52:52
  K? That's the only way really we ever learn anything.
• 52:56
  Drill, practice, and rehearse.
• 52:59
  And you take these points and you go over them and over them and over them if you don't understand them. And at some point,
• 53:05
  somebody bangs you upside the temple with a ball peen hammer, I guess. It just dang. You know? And you go, why didn't I see that before? Right? Have you had that moment yet? Right.
• 53:18
  Well, you
• 53:19
  yeah. You have those. How could they do this? It's right in front of me. Oh, how?
• 53:24
  Because
• 53:25
  power always
• 53:27
  puts what they're doing to you
• 53:29
  right in front of you.
• 53:31
  I learned that from my shaman buddy in Argentina.
• 53:35
  And you look around,
• 53:37
  there's thanks to
• 53:38
  sketch one day, couple years back, comes on like he's prone to do,
• 53:44
  and he opens his mic and goes, do you know what the pyramid is?
• 53:51
  You know, in symbology where they got the things equal then? Yep. You know what the pyramid is in symbology?
• 53:57
  The feudal system. Yeah.
• 53:59
  How much more in front of you could it be than a big about taking up about a third of the of the backside of your dollar bill?
• 54:07
  Unknown: Right.
• 54:09
  Unknown: Could that be could they put it anymore in front of your face?
• 54:13
  I guess if they put it on both sides. Right?
• 54:17
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 54:19
  Unknown: Yep. Yep. So, Paul, are you back yet to meet your neighbor? We got your neighbor here, and you're not even here to say hello.
• 54:28
  I'll be darned. That's alright. Beth, I'm sorry. I'm a pop I'm
• 54:32
  Unknown: gonna apologize.
• 54:33
  Doing stuff.
• 54:35
  Unknown: I'm gonna apologize
• 54:36
  for him right out front.
• 54:38
  Unknown: No. You don't have to apologize for me. I sometimes I'm off doing stuff. Paula,
• 54:43
  Unknown: while you're getting ready to move to Oklahoma, I want you to meet one of your new neighbors down there from the Tulsa area. This is Beth.
• 54:50
  Unknown: Oh, hi, Beth.
• 54:53
  Unknown: Hi, Paul. My son So one of these recently.
• 54:57
  He's he's switched over too just recently.
• 55:01
  Unknown: Okay. Good. Too. So Okay. Other two of us have done that.
• 55:05
  Maybe one of these days down the line, we get all Paul settled in and everything. We'll
• 55:10
  we'll have some sort of get together there. Be nice to have Oklahoma barbecue for the new the new nonresident.
• 55:18
  Unknown: There you go.
• 55:20
  Unknown: That's the plan.
• 55:22
  Unknown: You betcha.
• 55:23
  Cool. So that's a really serendipitous,
• 55:26
  Beth, that you're from the great state of Oklahoma.
• 55:29
  Now, obviously, you're are are you or are you not Indian? Are you affiliated with that side of the state?
• 55:35
  Unknown: No.
• 55:36
  No. I'm not Indian. No.
• 55:39
  I'm originally from Nebraska. I was born and raised there, and I have no Indian.
• 55:46
  Unknown: I see. Okay.
• 55:48
  Well, Tulsa's pretty big gas in oil town. Well, hold on. There's some bail boys saying, hey, Roger. Let's check on them. Yes, sir?
• 55:58
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 55:59
  Roger, this is Bob. Hey. I'm just curious. Is this our first
• 56:03
  is this our first confirmed rents sighting?
• 56:08
  Unknown: Well, she heard me on there, but she was familiar with me or something. Now Well, yeah, I know. I'm just trying to I'm trying to make light of the that you said you never had anybody for rent, so we may have one. Well, I was correct. Well, Lisa corrected me the other day. Somebody
• 56:23
  has put in the chat
• 56:25
  that they came from the rent shows. I don't know who they are. It's just that Lisa told me, you'll confirm with her, but that's what she did relay to me. Now, Bob, I've been wondering where you were. Are you off on vacation or something?
• 56:40
  Unknown: No.
• 56:41
  Vacation's not in my vocabulary.
• 56:44
  Okay. Busy time of year. Okay.
• 56:47
  Unknown: So you've just been busy. Well, we've missed you for what it's worth.
• 56:52
  Unknown: Yeah. I'm kinda curious, Beth.
• 56:54
  Where are you where'd you grow up in Nebraska? Where are you from in Nebraska?
• 56:58
  Unknown: Southeast Nebraska,
• 57:01
  South Of Lincoln, Humboldt.
• 57:04
  Unknown: I see. I
• 57:05
  Unknown: don't know if you've heard of that. It's pretty simple. Oh, I'm originally from
• 57:08
  Unknown: Kansas. So you had me from Nebraska on one side and Oklahoma on the other. I just wasn't sure where you from. Was at Northwest Kansas.
• 57:16
  Unknown: Southeast Nebraska about twenty
• 57:19
  twenty,
• 57:20
  minutes from Kansas border. Just right there. Yep. The border. Can for.
• 57:26
  Unknown: Alrighty.
• 57:27
  I yield.
• 57:28
  Unknown: Bob, good to hear your voice, man. I'm glad to know you're out there. Sorry you're having to work so hard in the in the Florida summer,
• 57:36
  but
• 57:38
  and I'm also I'm very sorry to say in and out, but Yeah.
• 57:44
  Unknown: The the hurricane season is not really trouble getting on because all the noise usually.
• 57:50
  Unknown: Yeah. Good deal. Well, go take care of yourself and the family. Everybody doing alright?
• 57:57
  Unknown: Oh, more or less. Yeah.
• 57:59
  Unknown: Okay.
• 58:01
  Well, send them our best.
• 58:04
  Unknown: Stand for. You know what, Bruce?
• 58:06
  Unknown: Bruce
• 58:07
  is here. Here's two days in a row. Hey, Bruce.
• 58:10
  Unknown: Hey.
• 58:13
  Unknown: The lady there,
• 58:14
  does she know where Kansas City is
• 58:17
  in Missouri? You
• 58:19
  can ask her.
• 58:23
  Unknown: Her name's Beth. You can address her as Beth, not the lady here.
• 58:28
  Well, I didn't know her name. I was being honest with you. Okay. I know you are. I wouldn't expect anything else. Beth, do you know where Kansas City, Missouri is?
• 58:39
  Unknown: Yes. I do. Of course. Yeah.
• 58:43
  Unknown: Okay. I just wanna know if you were Kansas City and
• 58:48
  that's that's all. I'm in I'm in Branson.
• 58:51
  You're where? Used to be in South Carolina, but I'm in Branson, Missouri. Oh, you're in Branson, Missouri. Yep. Familiar? Yeah.
• 58:59
  Unknown: Yeah. To see you got some football. Maybe one of these days somewhat someday.
• 59:03
  Well, yeah, one day we may hold a convention in Branson, Bruce. Who knows? You won't even have to leave city No. You don't wanna come here. No. You don't wanna come here. No? This is evil place here.
• 59:14
  Unknown: Yes. This is Satan's
• 59:16
  plan. Oh, yeah.
• 59:18
  Big time. Good.
• 59:20
  Unknown: See
• 59:23
  Unknown: the mid American cities. Is that Larry?
• 59:26
  Do I hear Larry?
• 59:28
  Unknown: Yes. You hear Larry. Hey, man. Hey, get to him in about a minute. I do believe
• 59:34
  I can do it to be interrupted. Thirty seconds
• 59:37
  to answer best Don't have time.
• 59:40
  Unknown: Yeah. You don't have time? Three seconds.
• 59:43
  Unknown: No. Three seconds?
• 59:44
  Alright. Hold it, Larry. You get a chance to polish it here in a second because we're gonna take a short interlude. We're gonna hear Paul again in just a minute, then we're gonna hear some classical music,
• 59:55
  and then we're gonna cleanse our palates and start again with Larry. Sales on
• 1:00:00
  Unknown: eurofolkradio.com,
• 1:00:02
  radio.globalvoiceradio.net.
• 1:00:05
  We're also on Rumble on rumble.globalvoiceradio.net.
• 1:00:10
  Our website is thematrixdocs.com.
• 1:00:14
  It is thematrixdocs.com
• 1:00:17
  where you will find links to resources,
• 1:00:19
  interviews, archives,
• 1:00:22
  also
• 1:00:23
  links to free conference calls so you can join the conversation
• 1:00:26
  live. There's exhibits there,
• 1:00:29
  a veritable plethora of information,
• 1:00:32
  pack a lunch, stay the day. We'll be back to the program in just a minute. Thank you.
• 1:01:43
  And we're back.
• 1:01:45
  Unknown: You betcha we are.
• 1:01:48
  In livid color.
• 1:01:50
  Okay. We had something. Larry had something on the back burner. He said it was gonna take three seconds. He's polished it up. It may just take two. Go ahead, Larry. Thirty.
• 1:02:00
  Oh, thirty? I thought you said three.
• 1:02:03
  Blair, are you there?
• 1:02:05
  Yeah.
• 1:02:07
  Okay. Yeah. I'm here. Sorry for the delay. That's a hard break.
• 1:02:13
  Unknown: Yeah. So,
• 1:02:15
  according to Brent Winters,
• 1:02:17
  there's three
• 1:02:19
  sovereigns.
• 1:02:21
  There's there's the federal
• 1:02:23
  government,
• 1:02:24
  and there's the state in which we are domiciled,
• 1:02:28
  and then there's god, of course.
• 1:02:31
  And the federal government gets its powers,
• 1:02:34
  certain powers,
• 1:02:35
  from the states
• 1:02:37
  according to the United States constitution.
• 1:02:40
  And, of course, all those powers are outlined in the US constitution.
• 1:02:44
  And to answer Beth's question,
• 1:02:47
  if I'm free,
• 1:02:49
  why why do I have to obey some law
• 1:02:53
  that I can't transport alcohol across state lines? Well, that's because
• 1:02:57
  that is actually in the constitution.
• 1:03:00
  It is. So if you were to go to the if you were to go to the twenty first amendment section two,
• 1:03:06
  you'll find
• 1:03:07
  this
• 1:03:08
  this statement.
• 1:03:11
  And let me just say this. So that
• 1:03:13
  that section
• 1:03:15
  in The US constitution
• 1:03:17
  explicitly granted states of
• 1:03:20
  the states of the union the unique
• 1:03:22
  sweeping power to regulate or completely ban the importation
• 1:03:26
  and transportation
• 1:03:28
  of intoxicating
• 1:03:29
  liquors within their borders. And here's what it says.
• 1:03:32
  The transportation
• 1:03:34
  or importation into any state for delivery or use therein of intoxicating
• 1:03:39
  liquors
• 1:03:41
  in violation of the laws thereof is hereby prohibited.
• 1:03:45
  And here's another thing. You gotta remember,
• 1:03:48
  the states of the union also gave the federal government,
• 1:03:53
  you know, powers to regulate commerce.
• 1:03:56
  So if you were to go to article one section eight clause three,
• 1:04:00
  you'll see that congress holds the supreme power to regulate interstate commerce.
• 1:04:06
  And so individual states cannot normally block
• 1:04:10
  regular commerce from other states,
• 1:04:13
  but federal statutes
• 1:04:15
  specifically
• 1:04:16
  back up state laws by making it a federal crime
• 1:04:20
  to ship alcohol into a state
• 1:04:23
  in violation of that state's local laws.
• 1:04:27
  So that's why
• 1:04:28
  there's some things you can do, and there's some things you can't because it's in the constitution.
• 1:04:34
  Unknown: And that was an original power was to regulate interstate commerce.
• 1:04:39
  One of the few things
• 1:04:41
  that, was delegated
• 1:04:43
  to the, the federal government with the exception of there's another thing.
• 1:04:49
  All property law is state law
• 1:04:52
  with the exception of us.
• 1:04:56
  We repeat that.
• 1:04:57
  All property law is state law
• 1:05:01
  with the exception of when they made us property.
• 1:05:05
  Now we're federal property.
• 1:05:08
  And, so you know what? I want Larry, I heard, who was it? Barnes.
• 1:05:13
  Was it the other night on Sunday night show?
• 1:05:17
  And he came out and he was throwing around. I bet I heard him use it six to eight times
• 1:05:24
  federal common law.
• 1:05:27
  Now we're under the patriot
• 1:05:29
  misconception
• 1:05:30
  that because of Erie Railroad versus Tompkins, there is no federal common
• 1:05:35
  law.
• 1:05:37
  But as Brent says, there's a lot of ingredients that are really exclusive to common law involved
• 1:05:43
  in the federal system. There are juries.
• 1:05:48
  The the the the the this one right here that we're talking about, the property,
• 1:05:54
  and and but generally,
• 1:05:55
  all property law is state law, Beth, and audience.
• 1:06:00
  The one thing was hammered into my head
• 1:06:03
  by, by one of my law teachers.
• 1:06:06
  All all property law is state law.
• 1:06:10
  That's why
• 1:06:11
  when the IRS comes to seize something,
• 1:06:15
  they have to have a go to the sheriff first,
• 1:06:18
  and they'll be a member of the sheriff's department with the party that comes and sees his stuff.
• 1:06:24
  They gotta check with them.
• 1:06:26
  But the first almost hundred years,
• 1:06:29
  really, where there was only one status, Beth, That was his state citizen. Now you've probably heard us,
• 1:06:37
  go back to this, but these concepts
• 1:06:39
  are the basis of all that.
• 1:06:42
  That's what's happening. When you filed
• 1:06:45
  that affidavit with the secretary,
• 1:06:49
  what you did
• 1:06:50
  was you're officially telling him
• 1:06:53
  that you're switching your allegiance
• 1:06:57
  from the federal government
• 1:06:59
  to your Oklahoma
• 1:07:01
  state government.
• 1:07:02
  K?
• 1:07:04
  And the reason that's important, if you go back to what the national is where it defines us
• 1:07:10
  over there in the nationality act of 1940 when they switched the label,
• 1:07:16
  It defines us as a national as total allegiance
• 1:07:20
  to a small s state.
• 1:07:24
  Now if you didn't understand this information, that sentence
• 1:07:27
  being sentence definition
• 1:07:29
  number a
• 1:07:31
  wouldn't mean jack squat to you.
• 1:07:34
  But what should flash out
• 1:07:37
  and with flashing lights is the word allegiance.
• 1:07:41
  A national owes what total allegiance?
• 1:07:44
  Because that is the other half of protection,
• 1:07:48
  and that's the status of what we're after here is jurisdiction.
• 1:07:53
  What gives that government appointed bureaucrat
• 1:07:56
  the right to make that man made law and enforce it on me?
• 1:08:01
  Hey, Raj. That's the question.
• 1:08:03
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, Paul.
• 1:08:05
  Unknown: I beg to differ.
• 1:08:07
  You're gonna differ? On a only a single point,
• 1:08:11
  a national owes
• 1:08:13
  permanent
• 1:08:14
  allegiance to Permanent, okay. A If
• 1:08:18
  you use total,
• 1:08:20
  then that is far reaching and far more broad than permanent allegiance, which could be any value or any amount of allegiance.
• 1:08:30
  It gets its permanence because it's your right to whether or not you want that permanence to continue or not. Well,
• 1:08:37
  Unknown: that's the question. If it's permanent, can you change it? Yes. You're gonna go back back. Well, they cannot. Okay. So what we're dancing around on the head of a pin here, Beth,
• 1:08:48
  is goes back to the feudal system, which we're in. They've that's the part that's hidden to everybody.
• 1:08:54
  They know the system is like the feudal system. You'll hear people allude to it when you hear them talking about it, but they never come in and absolutely identify it until
• 1:09:04
  yesterday with that article from the Enoch Times.
• 1:09:08
  And, man, I hope you're gonna investigate and get us a contact with this guy because he was all over it. K?
• 1:09:16
  He was all over it. He had one one damn or two connections that he was missing. I think that was Mana, wasn't it?
• 1:09:24
  Unknown: Epic.
• 1:09:25
  Unknown: Epoch. No. I thought, yeah, I thought Mana just said something, but that's okay. No. It was Lisa. Okay. I'd like to get to that guy.
• 1:09:34
  But, Beth, these all these things revolve around this little formula here that a couple people understand, not many, allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance.
• 1:09:45
  It's a reciprocal formula,
• 1:09:47
  and it is it is invoked by bringing up one of the ingredients.
• 1:09:52
  So it doesn't matter whether you're bringing up allegiance here like you are with your official notification to the secretary of state.
• 1:09:59
  That's the official way. That's their required way of doing this. But but and and when you do, you switch the protection.
• 1:10:07
  Before,
• 1:10:08
  they were giving you protection
• 1:10:10
  under this auspices that you were former black Negro slave in one of the states
• 1:10:17
  and that you were gonna get set upon.
• 1:10:20
  You're gonna get set upon by those people because you're in this status
• 1:10:25
  of this federal citizenship,
• 1:10:27
  and they're gonna offer you this protection. It comes in the deal. It's automatic.
• 1:10:32
  You give them the allegiance,
• 1:10:34
  they give you the protection.
• 1:10:36
  And what we're all doing when we do this is we're reversing that formula.
• 1:10:42
  We're, as it says, permanent protection. Thank you, Paul. Permanent allegiance. I'm sorry. Permanent allegiance to a small less state,
• 1:10:51
  invoking the automatic protection of the state.
• 1:10:54
  This is where the everything kinda falls through the crack, Beth.
• 1:10:59
  Because at this point, the people that run the state don't know what we're talking about for the most part.
• 1:11:05
  So what we're gonna do is endeavor
• 1:11:09
  to, hopefully, one of these days down the line, inform them in a memorandum of law
• 1:11:15
  that you see they don't have an option. Am I supposed to when you notify them whenever that may be?
• 1:11:23
  I go, well, I'm supposed to give Beth over there in Tulsa.
• 1:11:26
  We're supposed to give her some protection.
• 1:11:30
  What does that mean?
• 1:11:32
  We're supposed to protect you. Your Tulsa's up in the Northeast
• 1:11:36
  Corner Of Oklahoma, I believe. Well, you're supposed to give us protection from Missouri and Arkansas.
• 1:11:42
  We don't want them coming over here and invading Oklahoma
• 1:11:46
  and screwing with Beth.
• 1:11:48
  You're supposed to get protection if that happens from the state. The same as if the state has a bunch of these federal,
• 1:11:56
  whatever they are, piece of property,
• 1:11:58
  and they wanna regulate them in accordance with the federal government,
• 1:12:03
  then they write things called traffic laws,
• 1:12:06
  uniform traffic laws, and they write them for residents,
• 1:12:09
  and then that is to regulate the federal property.
• 1:12:15
  So you won't they by technical
• 1:12:19
  analysis,
• 1:12:20
  the way I understand
• 1:12:21
  it,
• 1:12:23
  they're supposed to protect you from their own police.
• 1:12:27
  In other words, you're not abiding to their own state patrol,
• 1:12:31
  their own local police because you're not a resident.
• 1:12:36
  So in essence, they're supposed to protect you from themselves,
• 1:12:40
  I guess.
• 1:12:42
  Yeah. Anyway,
• 1:12:43
  those are the kind of protections that I see in this,
• 1:12:47
  but they're supposed to give you protection as a state citizen
• 1:12:51
  and not a federal. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Paul. The the supreme confusing. Court
• 1:12:57
  Unknown: supreme court has already ruled that the police the role of the police is not to protect No. No. It's not. Or the public. It is to protect the interests of the corporation.
• 1:13:08
  So my question is,
• 1:13:11
  okay, I'm supposed to give a state allegiance, and
• 1:13:15
  by giving the state allegiance I'm agreeing to abide by their statute, sex, codes and whatever BS they pulled out of their sphincter muscle that day.
• 1:13:26
  What protections
• 1:13:27
  do I get
• 1:13:30
  from the corporate state?
• 1:13:32
  Unknown: You know, from the states? The the state's state,
• 1:13:36
  not the federal state.
• 1:13:39
  Well, the federal state. I
• 1:13:41
  Unknown: they're all federal subdivisions.
• 1:13:45
  What protections do I get?
• 1:13:49
  Unknown: Well, I guess I guess it would be protections
• 1:13:52
  from something that hasn't happened.
• 1:13:55
  If well, that's what the whole, title 42, that whole section of The United States code is about that right there.
• 1:14:03
  For what? The privileges and immunities of the citizens of The United States
• 1:14:08
  are equal to those of the white
• 1:14:11
  citizens.
• 1:14:12
  Unknown: That's privileges and immunities. That's not rights.
• 1:14:16
  Unknown: Roger, you claim Florida is your state. How does that work?
• 1:14:20
  Unknown: But but well, I claim that because my I'm a native Floridian, myrrh. I'm pretty rare. There's not very many down there, mostly transplants.
• 1:14:29
  Unknown: My mother and father were both born in Florida as was I. Yeah. But I mean now going forward, you know, because we're talking about
• 1:14:38
  now.
• 1:14:38
  Right? Present day. So,
• 1:14:41
  you know, how does how do you have allegiance and and protection
• 1:14:46
  Unknown: from Florida? Well, I don't know that I need it particularly right now. I guess the protections would be something that were real overt, which I can't imagine. Of course, these these concepts are dormant,
• 1:14:58
  Unknown: folks. Yeah. Yeah. So the point is you just have to name a state.
• 1:15:02
  Unknown: Yeah. You just name a state, and it doesn't have to be the state you're born in. It could be the state you've moved to. You know, that was the check and balance set up in the country by Jefferson and the boys that if one state was doing stuff right, they weren't taxing you over overtly
• 1:15:17
  or other things, and your state where you live was that you'd wanna vacate and move over to the better state, and the state that was treating their people the best would be the most popular state because of that. That's the way the thing's designed.
• 1:15:33
  Unknown: Right. Right. Right. But if you have a problem with
• 1:15:37
  a state,
• 1:15:38
  your only option is to move out of it.
• 1:15:43
  You have a problem with The United States as a country,
• 1:15:46
  your only option is to expatriate
• 1:15:50
  from your homeland,
• 1:15:52
  from your land of birth.
• 1:15:55
  Your only option is to expatriate
• 1:15:58
  Unknown: from it and go somewhere else. I don't know that. You can fight them. I mean, look at the guy down in Orlando that fought him. Has to be a resident, but he got out of property taxes. He fought city all anyone down there. He hadn't moved.
• 1:16:13
  I don't know why anybody'd wanna live in Orlando, but there's a lot of people that do and enjoy it.
• 1:16:20
  So,
• 1:16:21
  you know, the these things are conceptual,
• 1:16:24
  and, let let rather than look at that,
• 1:16:28
  Paul,
• 1:16:29
  let's look at the origins. You know, I always like to look at the dialectical side of things. They tell us an awful lot. What were the privileges of being on the manners of voluntary serve?
• 1:16:44
  Unknown: Just to exist there.
• 1:16:47
  Unknown: But that's different. Have 40 acres and a mule. So so you got a piece of land that you were attached to in some instances.
• 1:16:55
  You could grow your own garden and your own food. You had to give a percentage to the lord of the manor,
• 1:17:01
  but he pretty well left you alone. I think they and, you know, the the manners that treated their serfs better had a had a big loyal
• 1:17:10
  well, they basically had a small nation, didn't they?
• 1:17:13
  Yeah. It was under these UCC rules,
• 1:17:16
  but they had their own small nation. And the better they treated their serfs, the more they'd have these lineage of serfs. They were on the same piece of land,
• 1:17:25
  but they stayed because the Lord treated them good and they liked it. And out in the wide world, they couldn't get a better deal.
• 1:17:34
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:17:35
  But this is not a voluntary servitude thing, and they were not born on that land,
• 1:17:40
  and they were not granted by God a piece of that land. There's gotta be They made a deal with
• 1:17:48
  the the lord of the manor
• 1:17:50
  for 40 acres and a mule.
• 1:17:54
  Basically. What happened to my inheritance
• 1:17:57
  from my creator? And I've gotta side with Samuel on this, Samuel in California.
• 1:18:02
  Unknown: They didn't have that. They volunteered
• 1:18:04
  into that condition.
• 1:18:06
  Unknown: Right. They volunteered into it. They weren't forced into it. What happened to my
• 1:18:12
  birthright
• 1:18:13
  from my creator?
• 1:18:17
  What happened to my inheritance? You changed
• 1:18:20
  Unknown: the lord. You went through a ceremony called an oath of fealty,
• 1:18:24
  lay it made kneel on both knees,
• 1:18:27
  the only thing you do before god,
• 1:18:30
  and you gave that to the lord of the manor in a ceremony which was voluntary.
• 1:18:35
  Why why you have a hard time understanding that? I didn't do that.
• 1:18:41
  Unknown: Didn't get on both knees. I didn't get on both knees. Talking about you personally here in this. Yeah. I'm talking about fraud.
• 1:18:49
  Unknown: Well, shit. It's fraud, man. We all know it's fraud, multiple layers of fraud.
• 1:18:54
  Esau Edom tricked you
• 1:18:56
  into letting them steal the birthright back, and then they tricked and deceived you into agreeing with it.
• 1:19:03
  Unknown: Hey. What's going on? Going You know, I was curious about this. You know, Dan Bilzerian's
• 1:19:09
  younger brother, they're three years apart.
• 1:19:12
  Adam, and I had read the thing
• 1:19:15
  about a memorandum of understanding that was written in '78
• 1:19:19
  due to Kissinger,
• 1:19:20
  Heinz Loeb,
• 1:19:21
  and, gave Israel rights to oil even if we need it more than they do. If they get it first, and that's what happened with Venezuela.
• 1:19:29
  I think he wrote that in like 2012, but he wrote a book
• 1:19:32
  and it's called America
• 1:19:35
  Love It or Leave It So I Left.
• 1:19:38
  And the way he's getting citizenship
• 1:19:41
  is through investment.
• 1:19:43
  Now I haven't listened to this very short video woman
• 1:19:47
  is reviewing his book. It's like a little over three minutes, so I don't know. It might might be interesting to hear. New to me. I haven't heard it, but I was always curious
• 1:19:56
  what his book was about.
• 1:19:58
  Unknown: Well, I don't know what investment there him and his brother against the Jews as overtly and publicly as they are.
• 1:20:05
  I wouldn't I don't know what loophole he's found over there in the investment area that could do this that they'd allow him to continue using.
• 1:20:15
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:20:16
  This book is a great read for anyone looking for a no BS humanistic approach to someone who has done citizenship by investment
• 1:20:24
  and subsequently
• 1:20:26
  renounced their United States citizenship.
• 1:20:28
  So it might be interesting to what expatriated. They've expatriated.
• 1:20:33
  Antigua
• 1:20:34
  citizenship by it has Dominica,
• 1:20:36
  Grenada, Saint Lucius, Saint Kitts, And Nevis. That's where he is
• 1:20:41
  with his family and father and stuff. So
• 1:20:45
  Also, well,
• 1:20:47
  Unknown: I'd add Paraguay in there too. You can Paraguay is very lax on their residency requirements
• 1:20:53
  to, not only acquire it but to maintain it.
• 1:20:58
  What I found
• 1:20:59
  is
• 1:21:00
  that this big deal about being a resident in the country down here, it don't mean jack shit to any of these countries.
• 1:21:06
  And the only thing that really applies
• 1:21:10
  if I was down here, I overstayed my visa, so now I'm illegal,
• 1:21:14
  and I'm gonna go out and try and set up electricity,
• 1:21:18
  cable,
• 1:21:19
  all that stuff, and rent an apartment,
• 1:21:23
  they you're gonna have problems
• 1:21:25
  there. You gotta have that document to be able to set up electricity
• 1:21:29
  and and do all the connections and stuff and anchor
• 1:21:32
  a bank account and and other stuff. But otherwise than that, they don't care.
• 1:21:38
  And I promise you, that would you know, I was I was illegal in Argentina when I had that accident
• 1:21:44
  down there, Mer, and that never came up. And the whole thing, that never came up.
• 1:21:50
  Even though the console was involved. Alright?
• 1:21:54
  So
• 1:21:55
  from the they she flew up from from Buenos Aires, spent four days up there.
• 1:22:00
  So, anyway, that's my observation
• 1:22:03
  on it. It's some sort of a thing people think you gotta have it. You don't really. And here's the other side of that. People that rent apartments, if you're gonna buy something,
• 1:22:13
  that's gonna automatically qualify you for residency anyway.
• 1:22:17
  K? So
• 1:22:18
  so let's say the other side is gonna rent.
• 1:22:21
  Well, most of the people that rent property,
• 1:22:24
  they don't want you to put those things in their name because they've had gringos or other people down here that came down, put it in their name, left them with a big bill, and and and and jetted.
• 1:22:36
  So they don't want it in your name. They want it in their name.
• 1:22:39
  And, so it's all kind of a big moot point, Mer, in all honesty.
• 1:22:45
  I've experienced that in two countries.
• 1:22:48
  No. Nobody has ever stopped me and go, where's your papers? Oh, you're overstaged. You're going to get kicked out. That's never happened.
• 1:22:56
  You just say tourists, and they love it. Right? Because that means you're Well, you could do that. They'll bend over well. They they they just know that then you're within that ninety day window,
• 1:23:04
  and there's nothing. Unless there's property damage, they can't really stick you with it.
• 1:23:10
  The guy pulls you over, you go to risk, and he goes, throws his hands up and goes, okay. Go on.
• 1:23:16
  So, yeah, pretty cool. Yeah.
• 1:23:19
  Unknown: We're money benefits. Right? I know. There's this
• 1:23:24
  Unknown: there's this Jew guy down there in Argentina, elder older guy, married in Argentina, hot chick.
• 1:23:30
  And
• 1:23:31
  he he had a convertible down there, and he didn't speak a word of of the language. He had a translator with him, another American.
• 1:23:39
  And he'd be blowing through town, and god knows what 80 miles an hour.
• 1:23:45
  And he'd get pulled over. And had the top down and he'd turn his head back and go, hello.
• 1:23:54
  And
• 1:23:55
  they just get him back in the car and take off.
• 1:23:59
  But it is kinda funny. Could be used. I wouldn't wanna
• 1:24:02
  abuse it, but and I don't have any big problem with being one except that they they messed with the qualifications
• 1:24:10
  in
• 1:24:11
  the time of COVID.
• 1:24:13
  And so, I don't meet the qualifications anymore.
• 1:24:16
  I'm I don't need it for any reason.
• 1:24:19
  So, anyways, it works out. Wait. If and when, I'll I'll do it. I don't have any problems with it at all. The nice thing now is used to be you'd pay somebody about $1,500
• 1:24:31
  or more to do it depending on who you got.
• 1:24:33
  And now with all this computerization,
• 1:24:36
  you can go to somebody if you don't speak the language and kinda is familiar with the territory there. You can go on the web and do it. Pay them $500.
• 1:24:45
  Do it. Go almost go get your card in the same day, I'm told.
• 1:24:50
  So anyway, no big deal.
• 1:24:54
  No big deal.
• 1:24:56
  Unknown: Both of both of these brothers are professional poker players.
• 1:25:02
  Unknown: Yeah. That's
• 1:25:04
  funny. Guess where, Fine get Randy Fine made his money in the gambling,
• 1:25:09
  I heard. I don't know the any of the specifics,
• 1:25:13
  but that that's where he got his money with fat Juboy.
• 1:25:18
  Who will who will not debate in any way, shape, or form. That's gonna be really interesting to see how that race turns out.
• 1:25:25
  Yeah. I think in Florida about to have a primary or something here pretty quick.
• 1:25:31
  Does anybody know?
• 1:25:34
  We don't hear from our our our buddies in Tampa anymore.
• 1:25:37
  They're they're they're
• 1:25:39
  hadn't heard from David and his brother. Anyway, Bob's
• 1:25:44
  off doing work. Nobody knows. I think they've got some sort of primary coming up here. There you go. There's a primary coming up the August 18,
• 1:25:53
  Unknown: and then the general election is the November 2.
• 1:25:56
  Unknown: Okay. And this is Annie. Right? You're running a precinct.
• 1:26:00
  Unknown: That's right. And an early voting site.
• 1:26:04
  Unknown: There you go. So yeah. How's how's Fishback doing?
• 1:26:09
  Annie, have you looked into him at all?
• 1:26:13
  Unknown: Yeah. He has.
• 1:26:15
  And he's he's had some some
• 1:26:19
  events around the state.
• 1:26:22
  Also,
• 1:26:25
  Paul Renner is running as well.
• 1:26:28
  And he's a candidate that a lot of people are very fond of. And also, the Lieutenant Governor is also running,
• 1:26:36
  who's also another viable candidate.
• 1:26:41
  Unknown: But I haven't, like, camped out and spent a lot of time checking out fish back. I've Well, how can well, you're so busy. You don't have time to sit, camp out, and do much anything.
• 1:26:53
  You're always doing something, going somewhere.
• 1:26:57
  Unknown: Yeah. This is true.
• 1:26:58
  Yeah. Trying to Well, you back off some of that. But
• 1:27:03
  for the rest of this year, it'll be a pretty busy year.
• 1:27:06
  Unknown: Okay. Well, we hope to see you down here. We're looking for a second visit whenever you can
• 1:27:12
  sketch that into your plans.
• 1:27:15
  How's how's hubby Clayton doing? Is he doing alright?
• 1:27:19
  Unknown: He's doing fine. He's doing just fine. He's looking forward to retirement
• 1:27:24
  in whatever form that
• 1:27:26
  eventually takes. Right.
• 1:27:29
  He's been prolonged, so we're just kind of, you know, waiting and hoping and looking forward to that. Cross saying prayers, crossing fingers, all kinds of stuff like that?
• 1:27:39
  Yeah.
• 1:27:44
  Unknown: Yep. Yep. Well, I mean,
• 1:27:46
  well, you know, I wish you the best, of course, on that. But if if if you don't hit the windfall, y'all are pretty well taken care of anyway.
• 1:27:55
  I
• 1:27:56
  think it's my impression.
• 1:27:58
  And
• 1:27:59
  Unknown: We'll be just fine. Yeah. Yes. We'll be just fine. Thanks to my husband's
• 1:28:06
  thriftiness and
• 1:28:08
  desires to save. He's very practical
• 1:28:11
  and disciplined.
• 1:28:13
  Unknown: Saved up. Very good. That's very good. Just the lessons my daddy taught me. Yep.
• 1:28:19
  So everything what's going to happen with your concussion? Are you doing alright? Are you past that?
• 1:28:25
  Unknown: Doctor. I'm still recovering.
• 1:28:27
  I wouldn't say I'm a 100% yet, but
• 1:28:30
  I'd say probably about 80%, 80 to 90%. I'm certainly headed in the right direction and feeling a lot better than than I did a few months ago.
• 1:28:39
  Unknown: Okay. I'm glad of that, Shane. Thanks for asking. Some recurring
• 1:28:43
  Unknown: recurring problems from the automobile accident
• 1:28:46
  here
• 1:28:47
  a few months back. I'll get past that, miss Annie.
• 1:28:52
  So Annie and Clayton, very sweet couple, enjoyed meeting them, spending time with them down here, and looking for them to return on a another kick the tires visit.
• 1:29:04
  You know, Annie is funny. He could yeah. Yeah. There's Roger right there. Yes, sir.
• 1:29:09
  Yeah. This is Christian. I wanna tell her, is she taking lion's mane and so that can and get go below her? No. I, you know, I have no idea the protocol she's on. Andy, did you get those questions? Christian wants to know if you're taking
• 1:29:24
  lion's mane, which I believe is a nerve
• 1:29:27
  regrowing
• 1:29:29
  facilitator,
• 1:29:30
  and something else. What's are you doing anything for your concuss?
• 1:29:37
  Unknown: I haven't been other than just trying to eat clean food and raw foods,
• 1:29:43
  I try to eat as much raw
• 1:29:46
  food as I can in terms of fruits and vegetables.
• 1:29:49
  Unknown: Right. Lions Christian,
• 1:29:54
  Unknown: now shut up. Tell her tell Annie what you know.
• 1:29:59
  Unknown: Yeah. Lion's mane and Ginkgo Biloba is a thing that keeps you your brain healthy.
• 1:30:06
  It's from mushrooms. You know?
• 1:30:09
  And,
• 1:30:10
  I get mine from ancient nutrition.
• 1:30:14
  That's,
• 1:30:15
  you get it from a good company. Don't go to Walmart and try to Yeah. True. That stuff.
• 1:30:23
  Unknown: You know where I heard about that stuff, Christian, was Mike Adams. When he cut it, he had a knife and he cut his hand real bad and some nerves,
• 1:30:30
  and he started doing one of the things he did was lion's mane, and he's got actually more
• 1:30:37
  sensitivity and feeling in that area than he had before. So this is something you might wanna pay attention to, Annie, and look into. Okay? Lion's Mane and Ginkgo Biloba?
• 1:30:49
  Unknown: Yes. Thank you. Yes.
• 1:30:52
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:30:53
  You and you you get that from a good,
• 1:30:56
  I mean, I wouldn't get it off Amazon. I'd get it either
• 1:30:59
  from a good I don't know where you are, but good health food store. Even
• 1:31:04
  even even our Whole Foods is, compromised now. Whole Foods Market. Go
• 1:31:09
  Unknown: go to go to Health Ranger's website. I'm sure he probably sells it. And if you get it from there, that would be great. Well be
• 1:31:17
  be be guaranteed that it's good quality.
• 1:31:21
  Unknown: Yes. Health Ranger?
• 1:31:23
  Unknown: Yeah. The health ranger, Mike Adams. Are you familiar with him, Annie?
• 1:31:27
  No. Uh-uh. Well, I wasn't. No. Oh my goodness gracious. He's a stalwart in the all
• 1:31:34
  all the scientific stuff. He's got a multimillion dollar laboratory.
• 1:31:38
  He used to live down here in Ecuador.
• 1:31:40
  He's married to a Taiwanese gal, lived over there for a while, speaks a little Taiwanese.
• 1:31:46
  They lived here in Cuenca
• 1:31:47
  for about a number of years. I don't know how many exactly. Then he moved back to Texas. He works with Alex a lot,
• 1:31:55
  and he's got his own, network.
• 1:31:58
  Brighteon,
• 1:31:59
  he's got his own well, he's got his own AI
• 1:32:03
  that is the most advanced alternative health
• 1:32:06
  AI in the world
• 1:32:08
  because
• 1:32:09
  he got the whole Chinese
• 1:32:13
  herbalist
• 1:32:13
  database
• 1:32:15
  and included it in it.
• 1:32:17
  Unknown: Man, that's great.
• 1:32:19
  Unknown: Yeah. You can find out all that stuff. Brideon,
• 1:32:22
  and just just put in the health ranger. You'll get all kinds of stuff. Mike Adams
• 1:32:27
  is his name. Super bright guy.
• 1:32:31
  Just done a Hey, Roger. Done a whole bunch of good stuff. Yeah, Larry. Yeah, Gary. How you you got something on Mike here?
• 1:32:39
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:32:40
  She ought to add collagen to her daily routine also because your brain is over 60%
• 1:32:47
  collagen.
• 1:32:48
  Yes. Had a brain injury.
• 1:32:51
  If she had a brain injury, she needs to increase that amount of collagen. Great idea, Annie.
• 1:32:58
  Unknown: And you could buy Well, I
• 1:33:04
  Unknown: Well, I use Great Lakes collagen,
• 1:33:07
  but you can
• 1:33:09
  put it in your coffee or tea or whatever you drink in the morning. It it doesn't change the flavor at all. You won't even know it's there.
• 1:33:18
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:33:20
  Unknown: Thank you. I appreciate the suggestions.
• 1:33:23
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:33:24
  Unknown: You're welcome. Oh, yeah. That's
• 1:33:27
  Pleasure.
• 1:33:28
  Unknown: College is the stuff that's in mother's milk. Right?
• 1:33:33
  Unknown: No. That's a colostrum.
• 1:33:35
  Unknown: Colostrum,
• 1:33:36
  obviously. Okay.
• 1:33:39
  Go ahead, Christian.
• 1:33:41
  Unknown: Well, I hate to sidetrack because her health is worth more than this.
• 1:33:47
  But I just got back from court,
• 1:33:49
  and they Oh. I got they put a put a judgment on me.
• 1:33:55
  They put a judgment on me. Yeah.
• 1:33:58
  They had a old attorney there that could barely even walk,
• 1:34:03
  and he would
• 1:34:06
  he was for the plaintiff.
• 1:34:08
  And, I don't know if it was Mer, Julie,
• 1:34:13
  She was had something going with LVNN.
• 1:34:16
  And this judge says,
• 1:34:18
  I just got it. I had an affidavit and a timeline like Larry had set up for me. He's told me to do
• 1:34:25
  and not to, you know,
• 1:34:28
  tell him anything. You know, don't just get up there and rattle off anything.
• 1:34:32
  But, anyway, I was real quiet.
• 1:34:35
  I said,
• 1:34:36
  your honor, would you know, after he called me forward, I said, you mind reading my affidavit?
• 1:34:44
  He said, got one question for you, mister Christian.
• 1:34:47
  And I said, what's that? He said,
• 1:34:50
  do you feel like you owe this debt?
• 1:34:54
  I said, well, your honor, I said, I know it was my I know it was my debt. I have to say that. I said, I I'm a common law person.
• 1:35:01
  And I said, you know, I I
• 1:35:04
  believe in
• 1:35:06
  being truthful,
• 1:35:08
  and I already offered them we had a continuance.
• 1:35:12
  You know, I have a continuance with you, judge.
• 1:35:14
  And and
• 1:35:16
  we had about two months
• 1:35:19
  put off for negotiations,
• 1:35:21
  settlement.
• 1:35:22
  I said,
• 1:35:23
  I have offered them and rescinded what they had told me the first time
• 1:35:28
  and rescinded that and told them what I would pay them.
• 1:35:32
  They never answered me.
• 1:35:34
  I said, so your honor,
• 1:35:36
  I've got three letters here, priority mail.
• 1:35:40
  You
• 1:35:41
  well, I don't need to see that. I I believe you.
• 1:35:45
  He says, but
• 1:35:48
  but the
• 1:35:49
  law says the laws have changed a little bit.
• 1:35:53
  And he said, this debt collector's a big law firm out of Utah.
• 1:35:59
  And he said
• 1:36:00
  he said,
• 1:36:04
  if if you have the debt and I remember I'm asking, I don't know who that was, Julie or Murr, that
• 1:36:11
  was fighting them too.
• 1:36:14
  They asked her, do you feel like this is your debt? Well, I I said, yes. I do. And then and I've already made an agreement to pay $100 a month,
• 1:36:23
  you know, for
• 1:36:25
  for ten months
• 1:36:26
  and then get rid of my problem.
• 1:36:29
  And he and so, anyway, I said, I'd like you to read that read.
• 1:36:33
  Sir,
• 1:36:34
  he said,
• 1:36:36
  mister Christian oh, he didn't say mister Christian. It's black talk.
• 1:36:40
  Christian,
• 1:36:41
  I
• 1:36:44
  just wanna, yeah, I just wanna say,
• 1:36:47
  I'm gonna put a judgment on you if you say this is your death.
• 1:36:51
  I said,
• 1:36:52
  well, I have to say yes, sir.
• 1:36:54
  I said, but,
• 1:36:56
  you know, but anyway
• 1:36:58
  Unknown: Well, hey. Hey,
• 1:37:00
  Christian. This is Nancy.
• 1:37:02
  And Yeah.
• 1:37:04
  Number one,
• 1:37:06
  you kind of shot yourself in the foot there because you are under no contract with LVNV Funding and if they couldn't prove their chain of title and that the real party of interest and I'm sorry that you don't actually understand what that means
• 1:37:20
  but when the judge or the court
• 1:37:24
  asked me
• 1:37:26
  why I felt it wasn't my obligation,
• 1:37:28
  all I said was I reviewed the documents sent to me by the plaintiff and I'm not persuaded that they are. It is my legal obligation.
• 1:37:35
  So you agreed
• 1:37:39
  that it is your debt even
• 1:37:41
  though it's you know so
• 1:37:44
  that's of your mind but it's not actually in fact.
• 1:37:48
  So,
• 1:37:50
  you know,
• 1:37:51
  but that's okay. You
• 1:37:54
  have an arrangement to make a payment but you could still
• 1:37:59
  do things post
• 1:38:02
  judgment but you
• 1:38:04
  have to have the appetite
• 1:38:07
  to learn what is necessary to do.
• 1:38:14
  When
• 1:38:16
  they ask me
• 1:38:18
  whether it was mine,
• 1:38:21
  they can't prove it because most of their documentation
• 1:38:24
  lacks
• 1:38:26
  validity.
• 1:38:29
  And it's easy to learn what that means
• 1:38:32
  but you have to have the appetite to learn it.
• 1:38:37
  To
• 1:38:40
  Unknown: And to regurgitate.
• 1:38:42
  Unknown: Well, it's not that complicated. It's really not. I mean, I'm not I know. But my point is Christians,
• 1:38:49
  Unknown: honestly, are just to the core honest guy, and the judge says, is this your debt? And he honored, answered to the best of his ability, yes, because he feels like it is.
• 1:38:59
  I'm not saying the Jews aren't crooked. The whole system ain't crooked or anything else. I'm just making, you know, what I think it shows me personally about Christian. She verifies what I already pretty much knows. He's just an honest straight ahead guy.
• 1:39:13
  Unknown: Roger? Well, you're playing he's playing he's playing a game that he doesn't know the actual rules of the game,
• 1:39:21
  and so he's admitting to something that is not factually true.
• 1:39:25
  So Kristin, I understand that but
• 1:39:28
  that's okay. It's not the end of the world but
• 1:39:32
  I have been learning a lot of great things in
• 1:39:36
  Joe Lestica's Liberty Foundation.
• 1:39:41
  Roger, this is beyond the national stats, but it's also very useful information. It's okay. I
• 1:39:46
  have yeah. So I have three for three wins
• 1:39:49
  and I've two of them were were were with LVNV Funding.
• 1:39:53
  So
• 1:39:54
  Unknown: You beat them.
• 1:39:56
  Unknown: You beat them. You They with they tuck their tails and withdrew their suits because most of these debt collectors,
• 1:40:05
  the the original creditors do not provide what is required to prove
• 1:40:11
  the validity of the debt.
• 1:40:13
  So once you can demonstrate
• 1:40:15
  that and it's very simple, I'm not going to take up the time here and I've also in the past Kristin offered
• 1:40:22
  you my contact information
• 1:40:23
  to get through Paul. So anyway, the information is out there.
• 1:40:28
  It's not that difficult. It's not about not being honest. It's about knowing the reality of the situation and addressing it
• 1:40:36
  appropriately. But
• 1:40:37
  that's okay. Did the best you could and you went in there. Kudos to you for going in. That that's wonderful. And it just it does take just being willing to go in there.
• 1:40:48
  And so kudos to you.
• 1:40:51
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:40:53
  you know, I also asked the judge. I said, now if I make if I make some kind of payment plan with them, how how do I know
• 1:41:00
  that they won't they say, well, we didn't get your payment one time. You know how these
• 1:41:05
  these death things are? You can pay $9.99
• 1:41:08
  to get your burial.
• 1:41:11
  You know? And then if you miss one payment, it's it's over.
• 1:41:17
  And he said Well When that when that that other when that, plaintiff attorney
• 1:41:23
  left,
• 1:41:25
  he said,
• 1:41:28
  why don't make your payments with copies of your checks
• 1:41:34
  and call and you just do your book work. Just keep on just keep on saying, have you received my payment?
• 1:41:41
  You know?
• 1:41:42
  And, he said,
• 1:41:44
  if you can, do it by email.
• 1:41:47
  So I don't know.
• 1:41:49
  Unknown: I'm in.
• 1:41:51
  Unknown: Here's Tom.
• 1:41:53
  Hey, Tom.
• 1:41:55
  Unknown: Yo.
• 1:41:56
  Yeah. I'm here. I'm lurking in the background.
• 1:41:59
  Mhmm. The lady is the lady is absolutely correct. Because if somebody asked me that, if, you know, that was mine, I'd say, well, I'm not I don't have any idea because the documentation they provided me doesn't show anything.
• 1:42:13
  The documentation documentation
• 1:42:15
  is incomplete.
• 1:42:16
  Where is the payment records? Where is all the
• 1:42:19
  all of the statement from day one to the current?
• 1:42:23
  There's there's these
• 1:42:25
  as she said, these debt collectors,
• 1:42:28
  they get this stuff sometimes two, three, four hand
• 1:42:32
  from the original creditor.
• 1:42:34
  And,
• 1:42:36
  a lot of cases
• 1:42:38
  can be just thrown out because they don't have the they don't have the original documentations.
• 1:42:43
  I had one to where they tried to come after me, and I think it was my son's.
• 1:42:48
  So we were I was actually on a on a Zoom call
• 1:42:52
  with the judge and the and the plaintiff.
• 1:42:56
  And I said, well, you know, my son uses the same address. He's got the same name. And so they go in looking into the documentation. So, well, let's check the date of birth and the Social Security number. And they went in there and looked and said, oh, it's all redacted.
• 1:43:10
  And the judge says, well, it doesn't look too good for you. He says, you'll and he just said, you'll have my decision
• 1:43:15
  in, you know, in ten days or something. And within thirty minutes, he had ruled against them because they they didn't have the evidence. You know? Right. They gotta they gotta prove this stuff. You know? They just you know? If somebody walks up to you and hands you a piece of paper and say, hey. You owe me this amount of money. Well, you're gonna want proof.
• 1:43:33
  Well Well, get I'm sorry. 50 pages. They had 50, Tom, had 50 pages
• 1:43:39
  Unknown: of Mhmm.
• 1:43:41
  Unknown: Of And did you look through all those pages?
• 1:43:45
  Yeah. Did. Look to see if there was anything in there that identified you, you know, exactly identified you? Christian
• 1:43:52
  Unknown: Tom and pardon me for interjecting here. So it doesn't matter how many pages, that's for intimidation purposes.
• 1:44:01
  Here's an example.
• 1:44:03
  There are two other accounts that I have that are separate from the ones I've won in court. What they provided is proof on
• 1:44:11
  the bill of sale
• 1:44:13
  that
• 1:44:14
  there was a signature from the seller but there was no signature from the buyer.
• 1:44:20
  This is on two accounts, two different accounts and two different dates.
• 1:44:24
  What
• 1:44:25
  they're providing is proof of claim
• 1:44:28
  is an unexecuted
• 1:44:30
  document.
• 1:44:33
  So that in and of itself, so it means there is no contract.
• 1:44:37
  They cannot prove that they own, that they purchase this.
• 1:44:42
  So it's something simple like that or like
• 1:44:45
  an affidavit.
• 1:44:47
  Most debt collectors do not have access to or
• 1:44:51
  are not provided from the original creditor or alleged creditor
• 1:44:55
  an affidavit
• 1:44:57
  from their custodian of records.
• 1:45:00
  But even
• 1:45:01
  if it is provided, it will not reference your account
• 1:45:05
  or the specific account. It will reference a portfolio.
• 1:45:10
  So
• 1:45:11
  a portfolio of records. So there again, if you don't know that that means jack crap
• 1:45:19
  in terms of proving that that is your specific
• 1:45:24
  account,
• 1:45:25
  then you're just going to fold. You're intimidated because you don't understand
• 1:45:29
  what they're actually presenting. They have not proven their claim and they have the absolute 100%
• 1:45:35
  burden of proof to prove that they are the real party in interest that they've dotted all their I's, crossed all their t's,
• 1:45:42
  and with LVNV Funding,
• 1:45:46
  they didn't provide. They provided a bunch of documents,
• 1:45:49
  but they didn't
• 1:45:51
  prove
• 1:45:52
  they didn't provide an affidavit from the original creditor that was valid
• 1:45:57
  Unknown: or the bill is They prove have that they're the holder the legal holder of the debt. Yeah. Holder in due course. Yeah. So Yeah. So
• 1:46:06
  Unknown: Christian,
• 1:46:08
  this is just you know, this is very survivable,
• 1:46:11
  and kudos for you for having the courage to go walk in and deal with and handle. I I get that, and I applaud you for that. And
• 1:46:21
  I've just learned
• 1:46:23
  what to look for because it's
• 1:46:25
  not
• 1:46:27
  your debt.
• 1:46:29
  They can't even prove that
• 1:46:31
  it was lawfully and legally bought.
• 1:46:34
  So you didn't enter into a contract with those folks
• 1:46:38
  so it's their responsibility and the total burden of proof. Know you
• 1:46:42
  were under the
• 1:46:43
  impression that
• 1:46:45
  it's your debt
• 1:46:48
  and I
• 1:46:49
  challenge that.
• 1:46:51
  You
• 1:46:53
  made an agreement with somebody else
• 1:46:56
  and it's up to the debt collector to prove that they actually have lawfully and legally bought it and the
• 1:47:02
  the chain assignment, of assignment is valid.
• 1:47:07
  So
• 1:47:11
  what I just gave you as an example are just
• 1:47:14
  in my personal experience of learning about the reality of what is in front of me and how to quickly identify
• 1:47:23
  the fraud.
• 1:47:25
  Unknown: Know, just because of that On mine, they didn't even have a signature card that that had they sent me a copy of a signature card that was blank.
• 1:47:35
  Unknown: Nancy, you've become quite adept at this,
• 1:47:38
  from Joe's course.
• 1:47:40
  Did you have other sources of
• 1:47:44
  of acquiring and understanding
• 1:47:46
  on this, or is this from Joe's course?
• 1:47:49
  And if it is,
• 1:47:51
  well, whether he is or not. We ought to promote Joe's course.
• 1:47:55
  Well, it's our buddies. He's he's real good at what he does. Go ahead.
• 1:48:00
  Unknown: Well, his information is,
• 1:48:03
  pretty comprehensive.
• 1:48:05
  I did get the specific
• 1:48:06
  guide coaching from someone within the community there.
• 1:48:10
  So
• 1:48:11
  and who taught me about the hearsay, rules of hearsay of evidence. And then to clue in, zoom in to actually understand what is
• 1:48:20
  what does chain of title really mean? How do I identify that? Right? Because it it's Mhmm. Without knowing what you're looking at, it's Right. There's so much Greek. It's it's Right. Gibberish. Right? So what does that mean?
• 1:48:32
  What Overwhelming.
• 1:48:33
  Just like this recent case, not case, but account,
• 1:48:37
  I
• 1:48:38
  asked them to provide all their documentation.
• 1:48:41
  So they sent me this huge stack of stuff and there's a bunch of statements in there but
• 1:48:47
  their bill of sale only has one signature.
• 1:48:51
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:48:52
  Unknown: One signature. So it's in two cases, two accounts, two different separate accounts.
• 1:48:57
  Same debt collector,
• 1:49:00
  two different
• 1:49:04
  original
• 1:49:05
  creditors.
• 1:49:07
  So in both cases they have submitted as evidence an unexecuted
• 1:49:11
  contract.
• 1:49:12
  So there is no contract. There is no chain of title.
• 1:49:16
  So
• 1:49:17
  it's hearsay. It's it's hearsay and inadmissible
• 1:49:21
  in court as evidence.
• 1:49:24
  Unknown: Well, it is be It fraud upon it should be fraud upon the court that they're letting this a thing of that degree take up the court's time.
• 1:49:34
  Unknown: But no one challenges it, Roger. So, like like, the the judge asked me a similar question, Christian.
• 1:49:42
  How do why do you feel
• 1:49:44
  this is not your debt? I was asked, why do yes. Why do I feel? My feelings have nothing to do with it. Yeah. Yeah. Let's I remember I remember I remember this conversation
• 1:49:55
  Unknown: with you, and you were saying even if they have a bill of sale, but we you know, you were kinda
• 1:50:01
  and and I
• 1:50:02
  should've just asked yeah. I should've followed up with your email. Well, shoulda, coulda, woulda, shoulda, coulda, woulda, Christian. You know what experience. I'm
• 1:50:11
  Unknown: Yeah. So you you went into the court. You stood up for yourself in the best that you and in your integrity and that's great. That's great. And if you want to learn more
• 1:50:23
  that, you know, just depends on what your choices are and everyone is not necessarily right or wrong, it's just what you're led to do and what you explore
• 1:50:32
  but this is just part of my journey of what I've learned and it's fairly easy
• 1:50:39
  to clue into the specific things
• 1:50:42
  that
• 1:50:43
  right in front of you but because it's a stack of papers
• 1:50:46
  and you go, Oh, you don't really know what you're looking at but if you know what to look at
• 1:50:51
  specific
• 1:50:51
  things, it's very easy. It becomes very easy just like with the national status. And see what they did. Just a real quick
• 1:51:00
  Unknown: quick, they they,
• 1:51:01
  I saw the very same paperwork they sent me in front of the judge, and he was looking through that, see.
• 1:51:07
  And I said, son of a gun, he got that that
• 1:51:11
  bunch of papers right there, but it was all coordinated.
• 1:51:14
  But what they threw me was just a bunch of papers all on
• 1:51:19
  all,
• 1:51:20
  like, just like You messed up. Scrap. You know?
• 1:51:24
  Unknown: Well, these are primes. Court, we would set up three sets of copies. One for the judge,
• 1:51:30
  one for us, and then one for the prosecutor.
• 1:51:33
  And all of the pages for the prosecutor would all be misnumbered. Of course. And they'd look like they'd look like fools, and that's what they were trying to do to you. You you sound like you had a pretty nice judge because I had one Yeah. Who made me wait in a courtroom for over an hour waiting for
• 1:51:49
  the lawyer from the firm that was trying to say that my wife had a credit card, which she never had,
• 1:51:55
  make waiting for him to to,
• 1:51:57
  show up. And I had I had to literally fight with the judge in the courtroom and had arguments with him and then go to the clerk and get her to, tell the judge, you know, to dismiss the case.
• 1:52:09
  I mean, it was I mean, this guy, if I had been a minute late, they would have found, you know, in my in the the other in the plaintiff's favor. But, boy, this guy was an hour and a half. We were waiting, and the judge just you know, you just sit down and shut up, and I'll tell you what to do.
• 1:52:25
  And then the guy never showed up, and we got it dismissed. But,
• 1:52:29
  because they knew they didn't have the evidence that she wasn't a debtor, and she never even had a credit card with with that company.
• 1:52:37
  So you gotta stay on the ground, but, unfortunately, they railroaded you a little bit. So I've, I've kinda let this conversation go on in the background thinking
• 1:52:47
  Unknown: we're probably gonna see more of this as the economy gets worse,
• 1:52:52
  from the inflation standpoint and and and and these kind of incidents come into the forefront more.
• 1:52:58
  So it's not a bad line of thought to,
• 1:53:02
  think about if you're in that kind of position where you got debts. Don't know what'll happen to you, but I sense more and more of this going on the same way I sense someone typing feverishly
• 1:53:15
  on their keyboard.
• 1:53:17
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:53:18
  I hear that That's
• 1:53:20
  Unknown: me. I'm working on another project.
• 1:53:23
  Unknown: Okay. Sorry.
• 1:53:25
  Anyway, I think it's gonna come up more, and it's good, Nancy. You're gonna make you the debt specialist from here on out. Okay? Larry's the IRS guy.
• 1:53:34
  You're the debt specialist.
• 1:53:35
  We're gonna start delegating here. That's a so the mark of a successful
• 1:53:40
  executive
• 1:53:41
  is they're able to delegate.
• 1:53:43
  Yes, Larry, the IRS specialist. Yeah. I was gonna say,
• 1:53:48
  Unknown: when you're in in court and you were sworn in and, of course,
• 1:53:53
  you're supposed to be truthful.
• 1:53:55
  And when the judge asked him,
• 1:53:58
  is this debt yours? I mean, there's there's actually four possible answers. They're all truthful.
• 1:54:05
  There's yes, there's no,
• 1:54:08
  and there's I don't recall,
• 1:54:10
  which is what a lot of politicians do and open for. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:54:14
  And then, of course, as was pointed out by Tom,
• 1:54:17
  there's I don't know.
• 1:54:19
  Unknown: And That's right. There's another one. There's one.
• 1:54:23
  Your name. There's
• 1:54:25
  another one. It would be, your honor, that name looks similar to my name.
• 1:54:30
  But because
• 1:54:31
  there's no validation of the accuracy of the the documents submitted, cannot
• 1:54:37
  answer. I cannot affirm or deny the validity of that this is my represents my legal person.
• 1:54:46
  Wow. I don't know who There's Nancy a lot Oars.
• 1:54:50
  Unknown: Boy, I you can use your your name as an example or Joe Smith.
• 1:54:54
  I don't know.
• 1:54:56
  I I can't recall, and I don't remember. Those are the three sure ones. You'll hear them used in this congressional shit 150 times in one one hearing. A 100 you're right, Roger. That's what they use all the time.
• 1:55:11
  Yep. That's a those are three ways to
• 1:55:14
  Well, I can't I don't remember. Yep. Don't know. Can't recall. Don't remember. Those three. People can make up anything they want to on paper.
• 1:55:23
  Unknown: My name is not unique to me.
• 1:55:26
  My contact
• 1:55:27
  information,
• 1:55:28
  my address is not private. It's part of the public record.
• 1:55:33
  Someone can fabricate.
• 1:55:35
  That's just the same thing with these flock cameras with video cams. You can also challenge because they're hackable and people are change video
• 1:55:44
  footage all the time now. So it's knowing
• 1:55:47
  how to appropriately,
• 1:55:49
  honestly,
• 1:55:51
  and with integrity
• 1:55:52
  respond because I do not know
• 1:55:55
  the validity
• 1:55:56
  since they've not provide proven the validity and accuracy of the documents they provided. I don't know whether that's my my stuff. I don't know if that's represent my legal person. I don't. I
• 1:56:08
  Unknown: and
• 1:56:08
  listen. On these on these flock cameras, I would never advise any of you do this,
• 1:56:13
  but you can go on Amazon and get some kind of about a $60 laser
• 1:56:18
  that fries the electronics in those things. Not saying do it. I'm not telling you to do it. Just telling you there have been people floating
• 1:56:26
  that idea that that's possible.
• 1:56:29
  The other thing that is real positive,
• 1:56:31
  is it blue green?
• 1:56:33
  Unknown: Think it's green. Blue or green, one of the two. I forget. We discussed this Uh-huh. A week or two ago.
• 1:56:39
  Unknown: The, positive thing about flock cameras is is it's amalgamating
• 1:56:43
  the different factions all against this common cause as well as data centers. So it really is,
• 1:56:50
  even even overtly acting in our favor. I think it scares them. We'll see.
• 1:56:56
  They they get more exposed by the day.
• 1:57:00
  Unknown: I gotta say one thing before y'all go. I mean, before I leave y'all alone, y'all y'all have given me a lot of time here.
• 1:57:07
  God bless Nancy, Tom,
• 1:57:09
  Roger,
• 1:57:10
  Paul.
• 1:57:12
  Unknown: Well
• 1:57:13
  Unknown: Larry.
• 1:57:13
  Larry.
• 1:57:15
  But, you know, I'm I need to contact somebody about making these payments and making this deal I'm gonna make with them. Gotta make sure that I can keep track somehow of the payments
• 1:57:27
  because I don't wanna have my kids to be having to pay a lien after
• 1:57:32
  Unknown: something happens. You're gonna write them a check?
• 1:57:36
  Unknown: Yeah. I was gonna write them a check with a with a copy.
• 1:57:40
  Unknown: Okay. Well, I'm not sure what make type of endorsement. You might if there's an endorsement, you could put on the back, but all you have to do is go back and check your bank records if they cash it or not.
• 1:57:51
  That's that's a good way.
• 1:57:53
  Unknown: Yes. Yes,
• 1:57:54
  Larry? Never provide a junk debt collector with your account number and routing number on a check.
• 1:58:01
  But, Christian, you don't have to pay that debt. You're judgment proof.
• 1:58:04
  You could just tell that guy.
• 1:58:08
  Unknown: Okay. Well, there's another way to approach it. William William.
• 1:58:12
  Well, Larry, this has been important. What about what about my other property?
• 1:58:17
  Unknown: There
• 1:58:22
  I think your other property probably be protected under this, but I don't know.
• 1:58:27
  I we don't know, Christian.
• 1:58:30
  By the way, do know that. Said.
• 1:58:33
  Unknown: Yep. The other day when we were talking default again. You can always default again and then go through the pace again. This time, you'd be more prepared.
• 1:58:40
  Unknown: Got it.
• 1:58:42
  Unknown: The the judge said
• 1:58:45
  the the judge said they can't touch your property.
• 1:58:49
  Do you own another property? He said, well, yeah, I do.
• 1:58:52
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:58:54
  is that is that property included in your property? That's a question on this homestead thing.
• 1:59:00
  You didn't get it answered. And we're not gonna answer it here because we're right at the end of the program.
• 1:59:06
  But you can see Yeah. Hey. Thank y'all so much. Layer and layer, there's extenuating
• 1:59:11
  circumstances
• 1:59:12
  always, and they're just not always as simple as they seem on the surface. See you tomorrow. We may still be talking about this tomorrow. Okay.
• 1:59:30
  Yeah. What did you say he's gonna
• 1:59:33
  Go ahead, Rick. There's Rick. He hadn't checked in yet. Yeah, buddy.
• 1:59:38
  Unknown: I learned an important word dealing with a collection collection agency one time.
• 1:59:44
  Had a disputed debt and they sold it to a collection agency for pennies on the dollar.
• 1:59:49
  Well, they were satisfied. They sold it.
• 1:59:52
  The collection agency contacted
• 1:59:54
  me. And so
• 1:59:56
  I wrote them an email and I said, if you can prove that I incurred
• 2:00:01
  this debt to you, I will pay it. This is not a contract and never heard from again because the original debt was incurred to the original creditor,
• 2:00:10
  not to them.
• 2:00:14
  Unknown: Wow. Well, I've had some of these things go through to two, three, four different collection agencies.
• 2:00:20
  And every time, they they kept trying to do that. Let me just send them a letter, and they would then they'd sell it off to somebody else, and then they would try. You know, all these people buying this bad paper
• 2:00:29
  and then, you know, for pennies, and then eventually, you know, there's just nothing there for them to come after.
• 2:00:37
  Unknown: Roger.
• 2:00:39
  Larry.
• 2:00:41
  Yeah. Christian,
• 2:00:43
  the other day when we talked, I was under the impression that
• 2:00:46
  you had one property and it was your homestead property.
• 2:00:50
  And as as we go along, now we're learning that you have a second property. Well, the Texas constitution only allows you
• 2:00:58
  to
• 2:01:00
  have one exempt property, and that's your homestead property. So
• 2:01:04
  now you just admit it in court. And if if you did admit that in court, and
• 2:01:10
  if the other attorney heard it, now they're now they're aware you have a second property,
• 2:01:14
  which they can put a lien against.
• 2:01:18
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:01:19
  Unknown: Yeah. That's what that's that's kinda what he said. Yeah. The other the other time get Now now make sure you understand what he just said, Christian. They can put a lien against it. That doesn't mean they can seize and sell it.
• 2:01:34
  They can put a lien against it, which means that when your son sells it,
• 2:01:40
  that they'll pay them a $100 or whatever the amount is.
• 2:01:44
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:01:46
  Okay? Yeah.
• 2:01:47
  Right. Yeah. Sure.
• 2:01:50
  I sure can. Okay.
• 2:01:53
  Unknown: Hold on. There's Gregory. He hadn't checked in yet. Hey, Gregory.
• 2:01:57
  Unknown: Hello. Hello. I've been trying to get get
• 2:02:00
  in, but,
• 2:02:02
  something I haven't, heard
• 2:02:05
  in the way I was taught, like, twenty years ago was that when you sign up for a credit card,
• 2:02:11
  you're actually the creditor. You actually created those funds. They they don't give you anything. Right? They just it's just That's what Roger. Well Roger. Yeah. Roger. I'm explaining that.
• 2:02:25
  Unknown: What you're doing when you hold on, Gregory. Hold on, the other guy. What you're doing when you use a credit card is creating money as if you went and just had a continuous loan without having to go to a loan officer.
• 2:02:38
  You're creating money. Right. It wasn't there before.
• 2:02:41
  Okay?
• 2:02:42
  Now go ahead, Gregory.
• 2:02:45
  Unknown: I racked up
• 2:02:47
  just to test it, I racked up I maxed out my credit card when I had good credit to 15.
• 2:02:53
  I made a couple of payments, and then I
• 2:02:57
  asked them where
• 2:02:59
  where did you loan me anything?
• 2:03:02
  And that one went away. And then they they gave me another credit card for $1,500.
• 2:03:08
  I did the same thing and no repercussions
• 2:03:11
  whatsoever.
• 2:03:12
  In fact, the people that I was playing with back in those days, they wanted a
• 2:03:18
  a second you know,
• 2:03:20
  the guys that buy the debts, those
• 2:03:23
  whatever you call them.
• 2:03:24
  Unknown: Debt collectors.
• 2:03:26
  Unknown: To because you could sue those bastards,
• 2:03:29
  excuse the expression, for for
• 2:03:32
  fraud.
• 2:03:35
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:03:36
  Tom's got some kind of a game going with him. He's making some meager living off of it. So
• 2:03:44
  Unknown: Roger? Yeah.
• 2:03:46
  Unknown: Alright. Hold on. Let Gregory finish.
• 2:03:49
  Unknown: Sir.
• 2:03:50
  You done?
• 2:03:52
  Unknown: No. Well, one other thing is
• 2:03:56
  Christian just could have said, no. I do not owe the debt. I was a creditor of it's it's not my debt.
• 2:04:03
  They, you know, they make every time every time you
• 2:04:08
  charge something,
• 2:04:10
  that bank's allowed to,
• 2:04:12
  loan out what was it? Nine to 19 times more?
• 2:04:17
  Unknown: Depends on what the rate is. Somebody
• 2:04:20
  yeah. What rating the bank is and all that. Yeah. No. What could the reserve they call it the reserve rate.
• 2:04:27
  What's
• 2:04:28
  it went during COVID. They reduced it to zero. Do you know that? The banks had to keep none of it at all. Wow. I don't know. Normally, it's around 10%,
• 2:04:39
  I think.
• 2:04:41
  But that's a big important part in the fractional reserve.
• 2:04:44
  That means for those of you who don't know this kind of stuff, the intricacies
• 2:04:48
  of the banking system, well, Gregory writes Tom a check for a thousand dollars
• 2:04:55
  and Tom deposits it in his bank.
• 2:04:57
  So now the bank can loan out
• 2:05:00
  $900
• 2:05:02
  of that,
• 2:05:03
  and they've got to keep 10%
• 2:05:05
  in case there's in case there's a default or whatever else. And it's that reserve rate between one and ten. It could be higher
• 2:05:14
  that the that pins the banks down on what they term the elasticity
• 2:05:20
  of the money supply.
• 2:05:23
  Can we expand the money supply? That's how they do it by messing with that frack with that fractional reserve rate.
• 2:05:32
  Just a little banking education
• 2:05:34
  for you.
• 2:05:38
  Unknown: Roger? Yeah.
• 2:05:40
  Unknown: Learn the information
• 2:05:42
  and stand on that because you are the creditor. These guys are nothing but.
• 2:05:49
  Unknown: Well,
• 2:05:50
  yeah. It's an amazing system they got going. Larry?
• 2:05:55
  Unknown: Okay. Gregory, no court is gonna accept that argument. They're gonna think you're a loony if you say, I'm the creditor, and they never loan me anything. Because
• 2:06:04
  when you sign that application
• 2:06:06
  for a credit card company, you are also signing that you are promising
• 2:06:11
  to pay back
• 2:06:13
  in the form of payments and interest
• 2:06:15
  whatever credit they extend to you.
• 2:06:18
  So that's all the judge and the attorneys look at is your promise to pay just like it with a secured
• 2:06:24
  loan.
• 2:06:25
  That's why they could take your house or your car because
• 2:06:28
  even though we all know that the banks don't loan us money,
• 2:06:33
  that the money's created at the time you sign the promissory note because it's a promise to pay and they monetize that,
• 2:06:41
  that doesn't that doesn't, hold any water in the courts. They're they're not gonna acknowledge that. They've got this whole thing locked down real tight.
• 2:06:50
  So the correct answer for Christian was,
• 2:06:54
  I don't know if I owe the debt, your honor.
• 2:06:57
  They have to show me an unbroken chain of title,
• 2:07:01
  and then maybe we can talk.
• 2:07:03
  And that probably would have caused that court hearing either to be dismissed
• 2:07:08
  because the judge would have said, would you have do you have the documents to prove a chain of title?
• 2:07:13
  And if the attorney would have said, well, no. I don't have that today, then maybe the attorney may have asked for a continuance
• 2:07:19
  to provide it another day,
• 2:07:21
  or the judge, if he saw that there was no paperwork to show that chain of title,
• 2:07:26
  he would have dismissed the case. He probably would have dismissed it
• 2:07:31
  without prejudice
• 2:07:32
  so that
• 2:07:34
  the, the attorney can bring come back into court
• 2:07:37
  if he does produce the paperwork.
• 2:07:40
  Unknown: Okay. Let's ask this, Larry. They go ahead now with what's been done. The judge is gonna hit you've agreed now to pay him a $100 a month. So they're not gonna do a a declaration or whatever he was good decision. Right? You've agreed to go ahead and get into this payment plan with him, Tristan?
• 2:08:00
  Unknown: I really had any I really hadn't had any, agreement with them right now.
• 2:08:06
  It's just that they,
• 2:08:07
  he the judge told me I have to call them. They're the ones who's gonna tell you it. I think he A judge issued a judgment. That's it. There's a judgment on the record, and so it's up to Christian
• 2:08:19
  Unknown: to figure out whether he wants to pay them
• 2:08:23
  or if he just wants to consider himself judgment proof and go tell them to go pound sand. But
• 2:08:30
  now we have new information because he didn't tell us the other day that he has a second property.
• 2:08:36
  So now the attorney, having heard that, they might pursue doing something,
• 2:08:41
  you know, with that property.
• 2:08:44
  Unknown: Well, they could have found it real easy. They probably already knew it existed if they did a search. It should be on the property rolls. It's in your name. Right, Christian?
• 2:08:53
  Yes. It's in my name. That's the thing. Okay. A lesson for folks. Here's a good lesson for folks.
• 2:08:59
  Learn one of the things we offer here is trust
• 2:09:03
  trust courses where you can write and understand trust,
• 2:09:08
  know what it is, and write your own literally or know what's been written for you,
• 2:09:13
  and so you don't risk putting your property into some fallacious thing. But that's another service that we offer around here. Didn't used to weigh on it too heavily.
• 2:09:23
  So one of the other reasons is because of the fairly recent activity of the individuals representing Satan. It's just another form of protecting yourself.
• 2:09:35
  Be a national, got those things in trust, you're covered.
• 2:09:40
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:09:42
  Yeah.
• 2:09:43
  Unknown: So that's more for new people than anything else, But,
• 2:09:46
  there's some fairly negligible debt. We're only talking about
• 2:09:51
  22,
• 2:09:51
  $2,800
• 2:09:52
  or something. What did you agree on? A thousand?
• 2:09:56
  10 payments of a 100?
• 2:09:58
  Unknown: Yeah. 10 payments of a 100. But see, he that and run That was another thing.
• 2:10:04
  He says they don't have to answer you. The plaintiff does not have to. See, I figured I'd had them. I figured I had them because they didn't answer none of my and I always heard that you acquiesce
• 2:10:15
  or you you you know, they they they Silence Dean's case in.
• 2:10:20
  They walk away from the negotiation table. You win. You know? Right. So he said it doesn't apply here.
• 2:10:28
  Unknown: Right. Well, said it doesn't apply. Christian, you you you told the judge that it was your debt. So, I mean, you that's what you said to the judge for You belly up your barn.
• 2:10:38
  Unknown: Yeah. He didn't even have to he didn't even have to fish too far with old Christian. Christian just bellied up and told him it sounded like. Right?
• 2:10:50
  Unknown: Oh, man. I wanna go out
• 2:10:52
  throw myself in the chicken coop and let him pick me to death. Well, no. I think it's a great learning experience.
• 2:10:59
  Unknown: No. You gotta go out in the garden. Guard you gotta go out in the garden and eat worms, Christian. That's what it is.
• 2:11:08
  Unknown: Well, that's the most powerful lessons we learn are those that are usually from our failures.
• 2:11:14
  Unknown: So Well, that's the only way we learn, isn't it? Yeah.
• 2:11:19
  Unknown: It's not an option. It seems to be the most the most preferred way of learning in humanity,
• 2:11:25
  Unknown: but it's not the only option. Well, think of it this way. If you're going along and you don't get any feedback,
• 2:11:31
  then don't you automatically assume you're doing everything right?
• 2:11:37
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:11:39
  I guess so.
• 2:11:40
  Unknown: Well, it depends on So your the feedback it's the feedback that corrects. It's the feedback loop
• 2:11:46
  that tells you right or wrong. That's why it's so important to have the feedback loop. That's what they deprive us of. They put a false feedback loop into us to help us make worse decisions
• 2:11:57
  so they can continue to clean our damn clocks and let them produce like the ants over there in the damn ant farm.
• 2:12:07
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:12:08
  Yes.
• 2:12:09
  You know,
• 2:12:10
  the thing is that I
• 2:12:12
  I dropped the ball when I didn't get back in touch with stay in touch with,
• 2:12:18
  Nancy
• 2:12:19
  and Tom.
• 2:12:20
  Unknown: Well, no. Here's the problem. Here's
• 2:12:23
  your problem. You had too many cooks in the kitchen.
• 2:12:29
  Unknown: Get me? They're pretty good cookers.
• 2:12:33
  Unknown: Well, I'm not saying they're not good cooks. I'm just saying so many of them at one time coming from different angles on somebody like you that's new, not familiar with this, kinda under a pressure and a gun of some sort and all that converging at once is not to a deputy going, okay. Well, I've had time. I can consider all these three. This one's the easiest
• 2:12:54
  and and have that. You were kinda thrown into the grinder.
• 2:12:58
  Unknown: Yeah. When when he kicked my butt was when he wouldn't take my look at my affidavit
• 2:13:03
  and then my timeline.
• 2:13:05
  And then
• 2:13:06
  and then he said, they don't have to answer you.
• 2:13:10
  So I said, son of a you know, I was waiting for the, that was my big thing that they didn't answer.
• 2:13:18
  Unknown: Well, you know, Larry
• 2:13:20
  directly went to the heart of the matter in terms of,
• 2:13:23
  proof of chain of title,
• 2:13:25
  but it's also knowing what that means. Like when you're looking at that stack of paper
• 2:13:30
  or a couple pages, what is that what is chain of title with their bill of sale? Is was it duly signed and executed?
• 2:13:38
  Is there an affidavit
• 2:13:40
  or valid from the original creditor that certifies the accuracy
• 2:13:44
  of the information? Is it specific to your
• 2:13:49
  account and not a portfolio?
• 2:13:51
  So I mean for me when I've heard like, Joe talk about chain of title and the real party of interest,
• 2:13:57
  it really wasn't until someone told me what that meant.
• 2:14:01
  It's like, okay. You look at the bill of sale and the the the assignments,
• 2:14:06
  and you see if it's properly
• 2:14:08
  signed and executed and if it's specifying
• 2:14:11
  your account.
• 2:14:13
  And if there is a and what when is it broken?
• 2:14:17
  What makes it broken or complete?
• 2:14:20
  You have to know what that means.
• 2:14:23
  Yeah. That's right. That's just something you don't know. Right. So Larry addressed that when he shared just a a couple moments ago.
• 2:14:31
  So that was really
• 2:14:32
  the the point of attack because
• 2:14:36
  they have the burden of proof,
• 2:14:39
  not you,
• 2:14:40
  to prove
• 2:14:41
  but if they if you don't challenge it,
• 2:14:44
  if you don't challenge it, they are winning.
• 2:14:47
  They will win. So you have to know
• 2:14:50
  a couple of key pieces
• 2:14:54
  to challenge it. And even after I mean, this is not a huge I mean, it's it's a you know, anything over a $100 to me is a lot of money. But so,
• 2:15:03
  you know, a thousand dollars, $2,000,
• 2:15:05
  you can manage that, negotiate that. But, you know, I'd say it's a very valuable
• 2:15:11
  learning experience and learning about identifying what is really
• 2:15:15
  valid
• 2:15:17
  argument
• 2:15:18
  in these debt situations.
• 2:15:21
  Unknown: And and, hey, Nancy. This is the thing. Okay.
• 2:15:26
  There's so many people on that LBN
• 2:15:28
  attorneys and names on that. You know what I mean? And and I say, man, once you get one
• 2:15:35
  once you have an agreement with somebody to pay them off, what's to keep them from saying pass it to somebody else in that doggone LLC?
• 2:15:43
  Say, well, you know, I'm gonna go after that too. You know? Well, you get Well you get you get a this is paid in full piece
• 2:15:53
  Unknown: of paper from them.
• 2:15:57
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:15:58
  Unknown: Well, if you mean if they sell it?
• 2:16:01
  If they turn around and sell it? Is that what you're asking?
• 2:16:04
  Unknown: Yes. Yes.
• 2:16:06
  Unknown: Well,
• 2:16:07
  you need to dispute it in writing saying prove your chain of title
• 2:16:12
  and the original contract
• 2:16:15
  that I signed
• 2:16:17
  with you.
• 2:16:19
  But, you know, Roger, I wanna be sensitive to
• 2:16:23
  you know, this is your format, but there's
• 2:16:25
  there's specific things you ask.
• 2:16:28
  Not my area. Challenge. Yeah. You I mean, like that. You ask them to show the to to provide the original contract that you entered into
• 2:16:37
  with both signatures of both parties.
• 2:16:39
  So
• 2:16:41
  barring that, that will let them let them know just out of the gate that
• 2:16:46
  you have some knowledge about what contract law and what they're required to prove. If they can't, they can you know, they they have to prove it. But you need to know what they need to prove.
• 2:16:56
  The signed contract,
• 2:16:58
  the certified,
• 2:17:01
  verified,
• 2:17:02
  under penalty of perjury,
• 2:17:04
  an affidavit from the original creditor
• 2:17:06
  of the validity and accuracy of the count
• 2:17:09
  information that they're some they're providing as proof of their claim.
• 2:17:14
  So, I mean that, you know, an affidavit, you understand what an affidavit is. So it'll be from the original creditor
• 2:17:21
  that certifies under penalty of perjury, and it's notarized that the information provided
• 2:17:27
  is
• 2:17:28
  accurate. But you can even you can even attack that because the rules of evidence require someone with firsthand knowledge
• 2:17:36
  about the time of the original event.
• 2:17:39
  So
• 2:17:40
  there's but you you have to have the appetite and the desire just to look at and learn some real basic information.
• 2:17:48
  It is not that complicated.
• 2:17:50
  If you understand the national status,
• 2:17:53
  you can understand the basics of what's what you can dispute, what they're required to prove. So
• 2:18:00
  I did.
• 2:18:02
  I have learned and there's I don't know everything. I'm not a master at this. I've just had some success.
• 2:18:08
  I'm a good student,
• 2:18:10
  and I've had some people who know their stuff.
• 2:18:13
  And now I have evidence
• 2:18:15
  by my success, and it doesn't mean that I know everything
• 2:18:19
  by any means. But I do know I can identify
• 2:18:23
  the when people shove
• 2:18:25
  or send me a a a stack of
• 2:18:28
  documents, it doesn't intimidate me in the lease. I go I I look through it and see what they have, what they provided. And, usually, it it they have not validated the claim.
• 2:18:40
  Roger.
• 2:18:41
  Unknown: Larry.
• 2:18:44
  Unknown: Yeah. Hey, Christian.
• 2:18:46
  So they got a judgment. Big deal.
• 2:18:49
  You know, Roger often tells the story about a president a president who
• 2:18:54
  the Supreme Court
• 2:18:56
  ruled on something big, and then was it was it
• 2:19:01
  Unknown: who was it? Jackson that said, okay. Let them enforce it. So they got a they got a It a was a second bank of the United States, and Jackson vetoed it, and the Supreme Court
• 2:19:11
  passed it. And he said, let them enforce it.
• 2:19:15
  Unknown: Exactly. So, Christian, you literally don't have to do anything.
• 2:19:19
  Do not contact the debt collector.
• 2:19:22
  Don't do anything. They have to enforce the judgment now. And what that entails is they have to file paperwork for a writ of garnishment
• 2:19:31
  for your bank accounts. Well, guess what? That's gonna be easily defeated because Yeah. Your Social Security money is the only thing that gets deposited in there. And so you'll you'll exchange some documents and file them with the court and all that, and then you'll easily defeat that writ of garnishment.
• 2:19:49
  And then the only other thing they can do is if you have other land,
• 2:19:53
  if you're renting it out or something, it's being used for commercial purposes, it's not your homestead,
• 2:19:58
  they could put a lien on it. But all that means is when it comes time to sell that land,
• 2:20:04
  then somebody's gotta pay to get that lien,
• 2:20:08
  you know, taken care of.
• 2:20:11
  And so you really have nothing to worry about. You don't ever give a debt collector
• 2:20:15
  checks.
• 2:20:17
  You pay them if you're gonna pay off a debt collector just to get rid of them and you settle on something, you do a money order, and then you get something in writing from them before you send them the check or the money order that says, we we are settled in full.
• 2:20:33
  And but you don't ever give your routing number a check because Fucking money. If they think that they didn't get a payment from you, they're gonna reach right into your account and and grab whatever they want. They'll empty your account out until until they have enough to satisfy that judgment.
• 2:20:48
  And so at this point, my suggestion to you is not to do a single thing.
• 2:20:54
  And when you do if they do decide to come after you,
• 2:20:58
  come back on the show and say, hey.
• 2:21:00
  There's a writ of garnishment, or, you know, you could start researching how to take care of that at this point. But don't do a thing from this point. They have to enforce that judgment,
• 2:21:11
  and I doubt they will for $202,800
• 2:21:13
  bucks.
• 2:21:15
  Unknown: No. It's only a thousand. It's only a thousand. He's got it down to a grand.
• 2:21:20
  Unknown: No. They didn't agree to that. They didn't they didn't ever send me an agreement to that. That's Oh, okay. And that's what that's what they threw at me.
• 2:21:29
  Unknown: I see. That miss can They didn't they didn't have to agree. Yeah. Well, they don't have to answer you. He's right.
• 2:21:38
  It's an offer. You offered to contract with them. They declined
• 2:21:43
  by not answering.
• 2:21:46
  Unknown: Right. And I thought that that meant that they agreed with me, but, you know, the judge said no. That that
• 2:21:51
  Unknown: Not not in contract agreement. Yes.
• 2:21:55
  Unknown: Yes.
• 2:21:57
  Unknown: I know he's not in Washington state, but in Washington state law is if you make that first payment,
• 2:22:04
  everything, all your options are gone. You just recontract
• 2:22:08
  it. Well, I agree with it. Right. Do not pay a dime.
• 2:22:12
  Unknown: Okay. We'll sit back and let him contact you, Christian.
• 2:22:18
  Okay. Play cat and mouse with him. K?
• 2:22:22
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:22:23
  Unknown: Alright. Roger?
• 2:22:25
  Unknown: Yes, sir. There's Gary. Yes, sir, Gary.
• 2:22:29
  Unknown: This is all good and fine, but I want everyone on this call to understand one thing,
• 2:22:35
  and that is everything
• 2:22:37
  in this society
• 2:22:39
  is contract.
• 2:22:41
  Yep. I don't care what it is. It's contract. That's the way they've set it up,
• 2:22:46
  and that's the way you agree to it.
• 2:22:50
  Unknown: That's the way civilizations
• 2:22:51
  organize societies
• 2:22:53
  function the best is with agreements
• 2:22:55
  that have a set of rules that are supposed to be abided by. These bastards always unabide by them. There are people that do, unfortunately.
• 2:23:04
  This will credit snafu. I think we're gonna see more of it, but
• 2:23:10
  shit, try not to get into debt.
• 2:23:12
  The the best advice I can give That's
• 2:23:16
  Unknown: the key right there.
• 2:23:18
  Every time you sign something,
• 2:23:21
  you put your signature down,
• 2:23:23
  you're agreeing to a contract. I don't and you the problem is people don't understand what's behind those contracts.
• 2:23:33
  I mean, just take driver's license. You don't understand that there's a hook
• 2:23:39
  at least an inch thick
• 2:23:41
  that you're agreeing to,
• 2:23:43
  but they don't give you that book, do they, at the No. Driver's license branch?
• 2:23:48
  Never. But yet you agree to that book,
• 2:23:52
  and it's a inch at least in. The one in Indiana
• 2:23:56
  was an inch and a half thick.
• 2:23:59
  And when you sign for your driver's license, you're agreeing to everything in that inch and a half book.
• 2:24:05
  Yeah. But like I said, they don't give you the contract.
• 2:24:10
  Right. And two, people start researching how to alter a contract.
• 2:24:17
  Unknown: So the law That's their there's YouTubes on that.
• 2:24:22
  Unknown: The law gives you usually at least seventy two hours.
• 2:24:26
  I think on a home mortgage or a second mortgage, it's up to seven days
• 2:24:31
  for you to alter the contract.
• 2:24:36
  Unknown: Let me give you another example.
• 2:24:38
  Gary, let me give another example line. When Christian receives his credit card offer to contract,
• 2:24:45
  you can go into those terms where it talks about the APR, annual percentage rate. You could cross that out instead of 26%.
• 2:24:53
  You can write 5%
• 2:24:55
  and initial it and send it back. And if they don't refuse it, you got a 5% interest rate.
• 2:25:04
  Unknown: Wow.
• 2:25:05
  Unknown: There's one other point I wanna make, Roger,
• 2:25:09
  and that is signature
• 2:25:12
  is actually
• 2:25:13
  the word for
• 2:25:15
  sign of nature.
• 2:25:21
  Do the etymology on people.
• 2:25:23
  Signature means sign of nature.
• 2:25:27
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:25:29
  Unknown: Well,
• 2:25:31
  Hey, Roger.
• 2:25:32
  Unknown: Yep. Well, there I'd be darned if it ain't old Dougaroo. Hey, Doug.
• 2:25:37
  Unknown: Hey. I'm feeling older every day. Yeah. I I didn't know that feeling.
• 2:25:44
  So I have a comment here
• 2:25:47
  regarding Gary's last statement,
• 2:25:49
  and this
• 2:25:51
  is
• 2:25:54
  my comment refers
• 2:25:56
  to Christian.
• 2:25:57
  So since he offered
• 2:26:01
  to pay a thousand dollars
• 2:26:04
  and
• 2:26:05
  he hasn't heard back, the offer is still on the table.
• 2:26:10
  So they could come back
• 2:26:12
  and then say, oh, we accept your offer. And then
• 2:26:17
  if
• 2:26:18
  well, then that completes
• 2:26:20
  a contract.
• 2:26:22
  So
• 2:26:24
  in line with this line of thinking Yeah. I'm thinking he he
• 2:26:30
  needs to
• 2:26:32
  send them a certify
• 2:26:34
  you know, certified
• 2:26:36
  receipt
• 2:26:39
  notice
• 2:26:41
  that since they haven't accepted it, he rescinds it. And then that cuts that
• 2:26:49
  chain off.
• 2:26:51
  Now
• 2:26:54
  Unknown: does anybody does that seem logical? He has a new contract. It's called a judgment.
• 2:27:01
  Unknown: Yeah. I wouldn't I got it. I wouldn't suggest he has any further contact
• 2:27:06
  Unknown: with this debt collector.
• 2:27:08
  That's that's my opinion.
• 2:27:10
  Unknown: Yeah. Don't don't argue with that. What about if you get a $100 money order? Hold on, Doug. What about if you get a $100 money order and
• 2:27:18
  you put what's called a restrictive endorsement on the back?
• 2:27:22
  It says something to the effect that deposit of this instrument,
• 2:27:28
  denotes agreement with previous
• 2:27:31
  contract offer.
• 2:27:33
  And leave that there with them with a $100 with a big baited $100 on it. And if they cash it, then they agree to the 10 payments of a $100. How about that?
• 2:27:46
  Unknown: Could also write paid in full in the notes.
• 2:27:50
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:27:51
  So, anyway, there's all kinds of stuff you can do to play with this. So
• 2:27:56
  Unknown: We're at Deb Bauer.
• 2:27:57
  We're at Deb Bauer. You know, Roger. I do. So Doug. Over years,
• 2:28:02
  many
• 2:28:03
  over twenty years ago,
• 2:28:06
  I was helping
• 2:28:08
  a lot of people, me and another guy, with, using,
• 2:28:13
  the FDA CP.
• 2:28:17
  And
• 2:28:21
  I understood it very thoroughly,
• 2:28:24
  and there was never any repercussions.
• 2:28:27
  So
• 2:28:28
  Unknown: Well, there may be some people that don't know what that is. That's Fair Credit Debt Collection Act, I believe, he's referring to. Yeah. Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. And,
• 2:28:41
  Unknown: subsequently,
• 2:28:42
  I was in a a court case.
• 2:28:46
  I was the plaintiff,
• 2:28:49
  etcetera.
• 2:28:50
  I've been in
• 2:28:52
  debt collection thing. When I found out about the banking thing,
• 2:28:56
  I was so ticked off.
• 2:28:59
  I just canceled all my credit cards. I refused to pay any of them. And Yeah.
• 2:29:04
  So
• 2:29:05
  the one of the other things I learned during that time is you can get a judgment
• 2:29:11
  from a court, but the courts never get involved in the collection of it.
• 2:29:17
  It's all upon
• 2:29:18
  whoever,
• 2:29:19
  you know, won the you know, for them to come after you. And
• 2:29:25
  because
• 2:29:27
  these parties
• 2:29:29
  are almost always third
• 2:29:32
  party debt collectors.
• 2:29:34
  They have no chain of cups.
• 2:29:36
  They and and as
• 2:29:39
  your
• 2:29:41
  people here contributed,
• 2:29:45
  good luck
• 2:29:46
  because
• 2:29:47
  with
• 2:29:48
  instead of writing,
• 2:29:50
  you know, 15 pages of and this goes with the IRS and National. If you know the information,
• 2:29:59
  you make it concise.
• 2:30:01
  You few the fewer words, the better,
• 2:30:05
  and
• 2:30:06
  pretty much they go away. So I've had a judgment against me from a court
• 2:30:12
  for a debt
• 2:30:15
  that I challenged. The
• 2:30:18
  things that went on were so ridiculous,
• 2:30:20
  and I could see through them all, but the judge wouldn't listen.
• 2:30:25
  Thank god he died.
• 2:30:28
  But
• 2:30:29
  so they sold the debt, and
• 2:30:33
  people come after me. I just don't communicate with them at all. I never answer anything
• 2:30:40
  because,
• 2:30:42
  well, I'm on Social Security.
• 2:30:45
  And
• 2:30:46
  the last one
• 2:30:49
  that
• 2:30:50
  not that I have a lot. I I have one that's been coming around every few years. They have to re up the thing every few years or it goes away. And It's like a lien.
• 2:31:05
  Kinda.
• 2:31:06
  Yeah.
• 2:31:07
  Unknown: But I mean, that's sort of a lien. Has to be, by the for those who we're talking about sorry to interrupt, Doug. A lien has to be renewed every seven years.
• 2:31:17
  Unknown: Go ahead. Yeah. I think that's what it is.
• 2:31:19
  So,
• 2:31:21
  anyway,
• 2:31:22
  I don't answer them. I don't do anything. The courts don't enforce this stuff, Christian. No. Yeah. So
• 2:31:31
  no.
• 2:31:33
  They're they're too busy making money every day, traffic tickets and all this stuff. But
• 2:31:40
  so
• 2:31:42
  the
• 2:31:44
  like, it was said, you know, this is a learning experience.
• 2:31:49
  I
• 2:31:50
  so the last thing I got,
• 2:31:53
  and it was a notice from my bank
• 2:31:56
  that someone
• 2:31:58
  tried to
• 2:32:01
  get funds from my account,
• 2:32:04
  and
• 2:32:06
  the bank
• 2:32:08
  notified me in writing
• 2:32:10
  that this
• 2:32:12
  party had tried to do that.
• 2:32:14
  And
• 2:32:15
  since my income is
• 2:32:18
  Social Security,
• 2:32:20
  they couldn't do it. The bank told me they couldn't do it. And it was equal what they couldn't take was equal
• 2:32:29
  to
• 2:32:30
  more, a little bit more than what I got from Social Security.
• 2:32:35
  So
• 2:32:37
  it's a it is a kind of a foolproof
• 2:32:40
  protection.
• 2:32:42
  So
• 2:32:43
  don't worry.
• 2:32:44
  The one here you have left on your head, Just just joking. Yeah. But
• 2:32:50
  and sleep
• 2:32:52
  well,
• 2:32:53
  and just don't
• 2:32:55
  mess with them. Now I just wanna reiterate. I don't know.
• 2:33:00
  Gary came back
• 2:33:02
  and said
• 2:33:03
  this, that, and the other about the judgment and that, but I'm just wondering
• 2:33:08
  since he offered I don't know if that was in writing or publicly. In writing. It was in writing. Okay. So they have so many days, I would assume,
• 2:33:19
  to accept the offer. That might be
• 2:33:23
  pertinent.
• 2:33:24
  That might be important if they haven't accepted it within a certain time, but it still might be
• 2:33:31
  prudent to say, hey. This time period or it it doesn't matter what time period.
• 2:33:38
  But if there is a time period, you know what the limitation is.
• 2:33:43
  Excuse me. That,
• 2:33:46
  that's one
• 2:33:48
  I think. Benefit benefit.
• 2:33:51
  But, otherwise, you just
• 2:33:53
  I can say, yeah. I wanna buy that right now, and then two minutes later, I just say, no. I don't. Well, I'm just saying in regard to
• 2:34:02
  in writing, he offered to pay $100
• 2:34:06
  a month for a thousand dollars. It might be depending on the timetable,
• 2:34:11
  etcetera,
• 2:34:12
  to just say I rescind it.
• 2:34:14
  And that's it. It's rescinded.
• 2:34:17
  So that doesn't create a new contract.
• 2:34:21
  Unknown: Okay. Doug, you'd have to put the the terms
• 2:34:24
  Unknown: in your offer. You'd have to make them explicit.
• 2:34:27
  You'd have to say, I'll offer you a thousand dollars
• 2:34:31
  in exchange for this $2,800
• 2:34:33
  bill. I'll offer you a thousand dollars.
• 2:34:36
  Plea please accept
• 2:34:37
  my offer
• 2:34:39
  within ten days or thirty days. You'd have to put that on there. All of that is null and void because there's a newser contract. It's called a judgment.
• 2:34:50
  Unknown: Oh,
• 2:34:52
  Unknown: so the judgment crew was for the 2,800?
• 2:34:57
  Unknown: 22,
• 2:34:58
  something like that. So, Christian, just sit on your ass and let them contact you. Okay?
• 2:35:04
  Unknown: 2877
• 2:35:06
  plus a 164.
• 2:35:09
  Unknown: Court costs. Right?
• 2:35:11
  Unknown: Yes. What's
• 2:35:13
  Unknown: uh-huh. Okay. Well, hey. I'd suggest you not just wait and hear from them and not respond.
• 2:35:19
  What they to do, they're gonna have to put a lien
• 2:35:23
  on on it may you know, we don't know what they're gonna do.
• 2:35:27
  Just don't answer them.
• 2:35:33
  Unknown: Well, that's you know, I didn't answer them one time. The what's kinda started is that I didn't answer them in one days.
• 2:35:41
  They had sent me a letter.
• 2:35:43
  Not it had a little bitty
• 2:35:46
  attorney at law, and it didn't even know what it was.
• 2:35:49
  And
• 2:35:52
  I didn't answer that.
• 2:35:54
  And then, then it started this this big fire I'm in.
• 2:35:59
  They've they just slapped a lawsuit on me.
• 2:36:04
  Unknown: Okay. And they got a judge again.
• 2:36:06
  $2,800.
• 2:36:08
  They can't collect it. They can't come grab your bank account.
• 2:36:12
  Even the worst thing they can do is put a lien on that extra property,
• 2:36:16
  and it and it may be covered. We don't know.
• 2:36:22
  My look.
• 2:36:25
  Unknown: Okay. Y'all are wonderful. Y'all are wonderful. I know. No. No.
• 2:36:30
  Unknown: It it's way too confusing.
• 2:36:33
  So does anybody else have anything for me
• 2:36:36
  today?
• 2:36:39
  No? Okay. Well, then I'm gonna see you tomorrow. For for holding on. Yeah. I'll hash this out with Christian to do whatever. I I think you'll end up just sitting tight,
• 2:36:51
  waiting
• 2:36:52
  they gotta institute a whole new proceeding
• 2:36:55
  or else put a lien on it, and the lien's got no satisfaction
• 2:36:59
  for them, really.
• 2:37:01
  So
• 2:37:03
  no way.
• 2:37:05
  Unknown: Let's remember that,
• 2:37:07
  stress is the number one killer, and and Christians kinda sound a little bit stressed here.
• 2:37:14
  I would highly recommend some
• 2:37:16
  deep breathing exercises
• 2:37:18
  Unknown: and calm down.
• 2:37:20
  Unknown: I too. Just sit back, forget about it, and then drop the anxiety.
• 2:37:24
  It ain't no hanging matter.
• 2:37:27
  Right. And we spent we spent, like, two or three whole shows on it.
• 2:37:35
  Unknown: That's right. Really?
• 2:37:37
  Unknown: It's all serious, man. Four, five people four, five people coming in different suggestions, different this. Christian's little old guy about my age. He's not real familiar with this. And all of a sudden, it's all these people. You need to do this and do that and write this and send this. Just
• 2:37:53
  sit back and let the dust settle, Christian. I think you'll be alright.
• 2:37:57
  K. See y'all tomorrow.
• 2:38:01
  Unknown: Okay, Roger. Thank you for everybody.
• 2:38:04
  Nancy,
• 2:38:05
  Tom,
• 2:38:06
  Larry,
• 2:38:08
  Brent, all you guys.
• 2:38:12
  Unknown: Christian, just put this out of your mind. Do not worry about it anymore. What's done is done.
• 2:38:18
  If
• 2:38:20
  you want to call what you did a mistake, you know, we we all make mistakes,
• 2:38:25
  and
• 2:38:26
  just you just move on.
• 2:38:28
  This is a learning experience.
• 2:38:30
  So you just move on. Don't contact that attorney.
• 2:38:34
  Don't do anything.
• 2:38:37
  The moment someone tries to contact you down the road,
• 2:38:41
  just reach out,
• 2:38:43
  and we can discuss what we need to do. But they
• 2:38:45
  they can't take your Social Security.
• 2:38:49
  You know? Yeah. So I I highly doubt they're gonna do anything for quite a while.
• 2:38:55
  That's a that LVNV
• 2:38:57
  or whatever it's called, they they are a big outfit.
• 2:39:01
  They file hundreds of lawsuits in different counties a week.
• 2:39:06
  I've I've seen the statistics.
• 2:39:10
  In in counties all across The United States, they they file thousands of lawsuits,
• 2:39:15
  and they're hoping to just get default judgments. I think
• 2:39:19
  I think
• 2:39:21
  John Watts went over in
• 2:39:24
  his presentation.
• 2:39:25
  He he
• 2:39:27
  mentioned a statistic that, like, eighty percent of all
• 2:39:30
  credit card lawsuits end up in in a default judgment.
• 2:39:35
  Unknown: People don't even fight them. You know? Larry Larry, what happens on that? Because I heard a girl that went in there before me,
• 2:39:44
  and they were saying this is default. This is default.
• 2:39:47
  This is default.
• 2:39:49
  The judge was saying this is in default.
• 2:39:52
  So what happens when they do that?
• 2:39:56
  Unknown: You have a default judgment, and then you have if you're in default of making your payments,
• 2:40:01
  which is what brings about
• 2:40:03
  a a
• 2:40:05
  lawsuit to begin with. So I don't know what that what you heard, what they were referring to.
• 2:40:11
  But a default judgment is when
• 2:40:14
  the defendant doesn't show up to the hearing.
• 2:40:17
  And so the the
• 2:40:20
  prosecuting
• 2:40:21
  attorney
• 2:40:22
  for the for the bank,
• 2:40:25
  they or the junk debt buyer, they they asked the judge for a default judgment.
• 2:40:30
  Your honor, the defendant did not appear. We would like a default judgment and court costs.
• 2:40:36
  And the judge just granted and writes it out right there.
• 2:40:40
  So
• 2:40:43
  that's how most credit card lawsuits end up
• 2:40:47
  with default judgments because the defendants don't appear in court.
• 2:40:52
  Unknown: I mean, y'all y'all made y'all said make sure you show up, you know, because and and that's what I was wondering. That wouldn't get rid of it if they they got it if I got a default judgment if I didn't show up. Right? I wouldn't get rid of it? Would I get rid of it?
• 2:41:08
  Unknown: They would have got if you didn't show up, they would have gotten a default judgment.
• 2:41:12
  And you showed up,
• 2:41:14
  and you admitted to the debt. The judge said, let me ask you straight up. Do you feel like you owe this debt?
• 2:41:21
  Is this debt yours?
• 2:41:22
  And instead of saying, well, your honor, I don't know.
• 2:41:26
  I would like to see the,
• 2:41:28
  the attorney show me an an
• 2:41:33
  unbroken chain of title, and then maybe I can make that determination.
• 2:41:37
  And so the judge would have said,
• 2:41:39
  and I I've been through all this. The judge would have said,
• 2:41:42
  okay. We're gonna do
• 2:41:46
  we're gonna have another hearing
• 2:41:49
  in two months. And he would have said to the the opposing attorney,
• 2:41:53
  please produce
• 2:41:55
  these documents that the defendant is asking for,
• 2:41:59
  and and then we'll have another hearing.
• 2:42:02
  That's how that would have went down.
• 2:42:04
  But when you said, yeah. I think this is my debt. I mean,
• 2:42:08
  well, court's over. You admitted to it. I put my head on the chopping block.
• 2:42:15
  Right.
• 2:42:17
  So you live and learn. You know?
• 2:42:19
  Yeah. So my advice to you
• 2:42:22
  is don't do anything. Don't contact them. Don't write out any checks. Nothing.
• 2:42:28
  You they
• 2:42:29
  me. If they're gonna do something against you, you it's they're gonna you're gonna get something in the mail,
• 2:42:36
  you know, a notice of of garnishment,
• 2:42:39
  and then you and then you go from there to address it.
• 2:42:42
  You know? Okay.
• 2:42:45
  And that could take a year, two years before that even shows up.
• 2:42:51
  Unknown: You know? Yeah. So so, Christian, I I agree with Larry. Yeah. There's nothing for you to do at this point. And,
• 2:42:59
  yeah, there's nothing for you to do. Just wait just wait to see what they do.
• 2:43:04
  And
• 2:43:06
  yeah.
• 2:43:07
  Unknown: Do you think it's interesting that they brought emotion into it?
• 2:43:11
  Unknown: That's what you In two cases You feel like this is your debt? That's what they've asked me but in both cases that I
• 2:43:18
  ultimately, they withdrew. The court asked me, the judge, I don't know. I think she's a judge, said, why do you feel this is not your obligate your debt?
• 2:43:29
  And I just little made a little mental note in my head. Oh, feel interesting.
• 2:43:34
  And I just said, well, I've reviewed the documents that the the plaintiff has provided, and I'm not persuaded that it is a valid obligation of mine.
• 2:43:43
  Unknown: God. But, you know, I wanna look into that too. I wanna make more
• 2:43:47
  about that that question than,
• 2:43:50
  you know, than what's on the surface. We all talk that way. You know? How do you feel about that? What we're really saying is what are your thoughts on that? So I don't think there is anything to that. You know? That's just the way we all talk.
• 2:44:03
  Unknown: Well, I actually, I I don't necessarily agree, Larry. But
• 2:44:07
  because peep they're direct the the the judge, the authority in that situation is directing you very specifically.
• 2:44:14
  You know? And people are gonna do what they think. I knew
• 2:44:18
  that I wasn't gonna respond to anything about feelings
• 2:44:22
  because it isn't about my feelings. But when someone's asking you how do you feel
• 2:44:26
  about something, well, Christian obviously felt that it was his dad.
• 2:44:32
  He had feelings about it, and the feelings are a result of his thoughts.
• 2:44:36
  So, he doesn't like, if I didn't know that my default position is what they're submitting is fraud,
• 2:44:44
  and they have to prove otherwise. That's my position.
• 2:44:47
  Unknown: I don't know that that what they presented anything as you know, I don't know that it's anything that's factual about what they presented. So that's my position. I'm just saying in general, when when someone says, you know, how do you feel about that? What they're really asking you is what are your thoughts? Just in general. So I wouldn't make a big deal about that. You know? And maybe in your case, there was something behind it, but I'm just saying in general, Nancy.
• 2:45:13
  Unknown: Emotion. Again, I don't agree with you, Larry. I don't agree with I gotta say this is this is a phenomenon of our time. As always, they wanna bring emotion into everything. Like, they have children.
• 2:45:25
  It's not about your merit or you're trying to be a good team player or whatever it is. It's about your self esteem.
• 2:45:35
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:45:36
  Well, I just recognize the manipulation. And Larry, I get I understand your position.
• 2:45:40
  I understand your position
• 2:45:43
  and your opinion about it, but I don't agree with you on that.
• 2:45:47
  Unknown: But that is good to be stalwart and know that it's really about your thoughts, but you see how they're manipulating.
• 2:45:53
  Yeah.
• 2:45:54
  Unknown: Yeah. I had no confusion.
• 2:45:57
  And you have to enter into that situation knowing that there's gonna be manipulation
• 2:46:02
  involved, whether consciously or unconsciously
• 2:46:06
  from the bench.
• 2:46:09
  Unknown: So alright. So, I mean, that could be easily
• 2:46:13
  dissuade by just saying to the judge if she asks what your feelings are on the matter. You just say, well, if you're your honor, respectfully, if you're asking me what my thoughts are on this situation,
• 2:46:25
  here's my thoughts. I think they should prove the chain of title. That's all. Keep it simple. Oh, yeah. I know. Well, I just did not.
• 2:46:33
  Unknown: I responded
• 2:46:34
  to the actual heart of the matter. I disregarded
• 2:46:37
  her question specifically about my feelings. Because I could say, well, I feel a little anxious for being here, your honor. Thank you for asking. And I feel it's unfair that this person is asserting a claim that they would that they have no proof for, but that is irrelevant.
• 2:46:52
  The fact of the matter is that they've not provided
• 2:46:55
  evidence
• 2:46:56
  that proves their claim.
• 2:46:59
  Yeah.
• 2:47:01
  So
• 2:47:02
  anyway, you know, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I understand your point.
• 2:47:08
  I agree. We'll be targeted and specific. Yeah. Keep keep getting a a targeted response. I agree.
• 2:47:17
  Unknown: Question.
• 2:47:19
  Is Beth still here?
• 2:47:22
  Beth, is Beth still here?
• 2:47:28
  Who?
• 2:47:29
  Beth.
• 2:47:31
  This is Christian. I don't know who what the
• 2:47:36
  Beth?
• 2:47:36
  She is starting off the conversation.
• 2:47:40
  Oh, Beth. Okay.
• 2:47:44
  Unknown: Alright. The
• 2:47:47
  Unknown: gentleman requesting Beth,
• 2:47:49
  you said that you
• 2:47:51
  your bank told you that they wouldn't relinquish your Social Security. I have a question for you if you're the one that said that.
• 2:48:01
  Unknown: Not me.
• 2:48:17
  Unknown: Who's the question directed to? What was the question?
• 2:48:22
  Unknown: Well, Larry, there's one guy just recently there I couldn't get in was saying that the bank said that somebody's trying to
• 2:48:31
  leverage his account for a judgment, and the bank told them they couldn't do it, and they notified him of that. So I have a question for that person, but I guess he's already gone.
• 2:48:44
  Unknown: Well, maybe I can answer it. So what was the question one more time?
• 2:48:50
  Unknown: Well, my question is, I was told, as we all know, that nobody can
• 2:48:55
  garner your Social Security.
• 2:48:57
  But I was also illuminated to the fact that if you have direct deposit,
• 2:49:03
  once it's in the bank's possession,
• 2:49:06
  it's no longer Social Security's
• 2:49:08
  obligation to protect it,
• 2:49:11
  that it can be taken from your bank account.
• 2:49:14
  And this gentleman just said they tried that,
• 2:49:17
  and the bank stood up for him. And that's the first time I've ever heard that.
• 2:49:26
  Unknown: Hey. That was me,
• 2:49:27
  Doug.
• 2:49:30
  Okay, Doug. There you are.
• 2:49:32
  Unknown: So Yeah. Who is the bank? Is that a big bank, or is that a little podunk thing?
• 2:49:39
  Unknown: Well, it's
• 2:49:42
  it's a
• 2:49:44
  local bank here
• 2:49:46
  in Okay.
• 2:49:48
  In
• 2:49:51
  Arkansas,
• 2:49:52
  but
• 2:49:54
  you have to understand that
• 2:49:56
  this area of Arkansas
• 2:49:59
  is
• 2:50:00
  Walmart headquarters.
• 2:50:02
  They have Sam's here.
• 2:50:04
  It's the headquarters of Tyson Chicken.
• 2:50:08
  Yep. There's a lot of there's a lot of money here.
• 2:50:12
  Now
• 2:50:13
  so
• 2:50:14
  let me just clarify.
• 2:50:17
  I didn't,
• 2:50:19
  I wasn't aware of anything going
• 2:50:22
  hold on.
• 2:50:23
  I wasn't aware of anything going on personally
• 2:50:28
  with someone trying to get money from me
• 2:50:31
  as as to my
• 2:50:33
  bank account.
• 2:50:35
  I had gotten letters which I just didn't respond to.
• 2:50:41
  So
• 2:50:43
  my bank
• 2:50:44
  took upon itself
• 2:50:47
  to
• 2:50:48
  send me
• 2:50:49
  a number of pages
• 2:50:51
  that it said
• 2:50:54
  that, this
• 2:50:56
  party tried to
• 2:50:58
  collect so much money
• 2:51:00
  from your account to garnish or whatever the terminology
• 2:51:05
  was,
• 2:51:06
  and they were letting me know that it was
• 2:51:10
  it didn't happen.
• 2:51:12
  And that and they told me the amount that,
• 2:51:17
  I get every month or or have in my account.
• 2:51:23
  It was it was, like, a thousand dollars more than I was getting from Social Security
• 2:51:28
  that could not be
• 2:51:31
  garnished,
• 2:51:32
  taken in any way.
• 2:51:34
  So
• 2:51:36
  that was that. Now,
• 2:51:38
  you know, I might be reaching here, but there are
• 2:51:45
  rules, regulations,
• 2:51:47
  laws
• 2:51:48
  that the banks
• 2:51:50
  it's kind of a they they have to follow the same rule.
• 2:51:55
  So
• 2:51:56
  I don't and and this particular bank that I bank with
• 2:52:01
  are is probably the biggest bank in the area. I don't know.
• 2:52:07
  They're they're
• 2:52:08
  everywhere.
• 2:52:09
  So
• 2:52:10
  I'm, thinking they still have to
• 2:52:14
  now it would have to be challenged if a bank allowed
• 2:52:17
  that to happen because then the banks would be guilty
• 2:52:21
  of violating
• 2:52:23
  federal law. So,
• 2:52:26
  I'm just thinking all the banking institutions,
• 2:52:29
  if one note, just like this
• 2:52:32
  debt collection practices
• 2:52:35
  that happened,
• 2:52:36
  if one knows,
• 2:52:38
  I don't think they're going to
• 2:52:44
  I don't think they're gonna jeopardize
• 2:52:47
  that. When I used to sell insurance at one time. Uh-huh.
• 2:52:52
  Sub subsequent
• 2:52:54
  insurance.
• 2:52:56
  And after the first year,
• 2:52:58
  I became a manager.
• 2:53:00
  So I had six, seven people under me. And
• 2:53:04
  after a year, then you you go back. Every six months, I'd go back and
• 2:53:10
  I'd have to try
• 2:53:11
  to renew the clients I had and try to sell, you know, the insurance for more people. Well, after the first year,
• 2:53:21
  I got reports
• 2:53:23
  that,
• 2:53:25
  you know, it's it it was
• 2:53:27
  it wasn't expensive.
• 2:53:29
  It was
• 2:53:30
  good for what it offered,
• 2:53:33
  but that the company
• 2:53:34
  was not honoring
• 2:53:37
  the
• 2:53:39
  Pacific.
• 2:53:41
  So the next year that I went around,
• 2:53:44
  I I
• 2:53:46
  used to carry I well, I was I was ticked off
• 2:53:51
  that they that the people,
• 2:53:55
  were being
• 2:53:57
  they weren't being
• 2:53:59
  the company wasn't honoring a contract.
• 2:54:02
  So I used to spend sometimes
• 2:54:05
  an hour. And, you know, when you're doing these visit this house, visit that house, it's all a numbers thing. You make more money, but I didn't care about that.
• 2:54:14
  I focused on the fact that this
• 2:54:17
  insurance company, big insurance company,
• 2:54:21
  was
• 2:54:24
  not owning its contract.
• 2:54:26
  So I would spend
• 2:54:28
  time
• 2:54:29
  telling every customer,
• 2:54:31
  the customer
• 2:54:33
  the new customers and the customers that I was revisiting,
• 2:54:36
  I got all these cards.
• 2:54:38
  These kinda like a postcard, but it's it's a legal insurance thing.
• 2:54:44
  And I would educate them
• 2:54:47
  on how to file a claim
• 2:54:49
  when their contract wasn't honored by the company.
• 2:54:53
  And
• 2:54:54
  and the focus was
• 2:54:57
  the
• 2:54:59
  the insurance
• 2:55:01
  commission.
• 2:55:03
  K?
• 2:55:04
  And
• 2:55:05
  I would
• 2:55:06
  surround that
• 2:55:08
  surround the words on this card, and I'd say, you call this number.
• 2:55:12
  Well, the the
• 2:55:14
  the threat to the insure to each agency,
• 2:55:17
  every
• 2:55:18
  insurance
• 2:55:19
  company
• 2:55:20
  was once a complaint a complaint is filed,
• 2:55:26
  I
• 2:55:29
  don't know if it's just one complaint or a few or whatever,
• 2:55:34
  but
• 2:55:35
  it's kinda like the IRS.
• 2:55:38
  These insurance
• 2:55:40
  investigators
• 2:55:41
  can come in
• 2:55:43
  to your insurance
• 2:55:45
  company, the office, whatever,
• 2:55:48
  and
• 2:55:49
  go through everything.
• 2:55:51
  So
• 2:55:52
  I understood this at the time, so I educated the people
• 2:55:57
  and the reasoning behind it
• 2:56:00
  that
• 2:56:01
  they'll they'd rather pay you
• 2:56:04
  than
• 2:56:05
  quickly
• 2:56:07
  than
• 2:56:08
  open up a case
• 2:56:10
  where this commission
• 2:56:11
  of that's what all these investigators
• 2:56:14
  do. Right? It's like, you know, what's a hammer looking for a nail?
• 2:56:18
  That's what these people do.
• 2:56:21
  So
• 2:56:23
  I didn't waste time. I spent time because
• 2:56:28
  the product was good. It was reasonable.
• 2:56:31
  But when
• 2:56:32
  the company wouldn't honor
• 2:56:36
  their agreement,
• 2:56:37
  it was the accident and health supplemental
• 2:56:40
  insurance.
• 2:56:41
  When they wouldn't honor it, well, that's it for me. I'm I'm the enemy of of this thing. I was out there
• 2:56:50
  trying to make money
• 2:56:53
  to support myself and my
• 2:56:56
  wife and my family,
• 2:56:57
  my children.
• 2:56:59
  But once that happens, now I
• 2:57:03
  felt I had an obligation
• 2:57:05
  to
• 2:57:06
  let him to arm people,
• 2:57:09
  to let them know. Here's the process if this doesn't happen. Happen.
• 2:57:14
  So,
• 2:57:16
  anyway, the banks
• 2:57:18
  are
• 2:57:20
  they have a a a certain
• 2:57:24
  obligation
• 2:57:25
  legally
• 2:57:27
  to do what they do. Unfortunately,
• 2:57:29
  my bank did that without me even knowing or asking, and that made me aware of it. And
• 2:57:37
  that made me you
• 2:57:39
  know,
• 2:57:40
  it was
• 2:57:41
  a comfortable feeling
• 2:57:43
  Unknown: because Yes. Well I In your situation,
• 2:57:47
  that's in your situation, that's extremely rare.
• 2:57:50
  Usually, the banks find for money. They do have to notice
• 2:57:54
  you. They do have to tell you that your account's being
• 2:57:57
  garnished or there's a lien or whatever,
• 2:58:00
  but that's about it. And, usually,
• 2:58:03
  this is how unscrupulous they are. Usually, you get that notice after
• 2:58:07
  this the account's already been seized or the money's disappeared.
• 2:58:12
  So you're quite the anomaly there. I just wanted to make sure I heard it right, and thank you for your time, sir. I'm done. Let me interject something. This is Larry. So if if the, if there's a debt collector,
• 2:58:24
  Unknown: that tries to garnish your bank accounts and all that's being deposited in those bank accounts is your Social Security,
• 2:58:32
  money,
• 2:58:34
  the the the bank
• 2:58:36
  has a
• 2:58:37
  duty under federal law
• 2:58:39
  to
• 2:58:41
  do an accounting of that bank account. And if it sees that
• 2:58:46
  sixty days worth of deposits
• 2:58:48
  came from the Social Security Administration,
• 2:58:51
  that money is untouchable.
• 2:58:54
  Beyond sixty days, the bank will put a freeze
• 2:58:57
  on that money even though it came from the Social Security Administration,
• 2:59:01
  and then it will be unfreezed eventually,
• 2:59:05
  but you have to go through some court processes and and things
• 2:59:09
  to show that, you know, that that money is exempt.
• 2:59:12
  But that initial amount within sixty days is untouchable.
• 2:59:16
  They can't the bank cannot freeze it. The debt collector cannot take it. You can have no fees imposed against it, like garnishment fees.
• 2:59:24
  So that's just a a requirement of all banks under federal law.
• 2:59:30
  Unknown: So, Larry,
• 2:59:31
  if you have x amount coming in monthly
• 2:59:34
  as you just depicted,
• 2:59:36
  do you have to completely empty the account
• 2:59:40
  every two months, or you just have to move out that month of the previous check, sir?
• 2:59:47
  Unknown: Well, you shouldn't have to do anything. The bank the bank's not allowed to freeze those Social Security deposits.
• 2:59:55
  No. It's just after But if you had let's just say you had,
• 3:00:00
  you know,
• 3:00:01
  social security checks that were deposited that and you did not even touch that money yet and it was showing up as three months old,
• 3:00:09
  that money will be frozen.
• 3:00:11
  That money will be frozen.
• 3:00:13
  It's not gonna go to the debt collector. The bank will just freeze it
• 3:00:17
  and until further determination
• 3:00:20
  to find out, you know,
• 3:00:22
  you know, what the origin of it was.
• 3:00:25
  And
• 3:00:27
  so then they will you there's different processes you could go through to get that money unfrozen because all Social Security money
• 3:00:37
  is untouchable.
• 3:00:39
  They just have that sixty day rule in there, you know, for our for the benefit of the the account holder.
• 3:00:47
  Unknown: Well, what they freeze, are they gonna freeze all ninety days worth or just anything
• 3:00:53
  after that sixty day increment, sir? Only after the sixty days.
• 3:00:58
  Oh,
• 3:01:00
  so back to my original question. I'll rephrase.
• 3:01:04
  So before the sixty first day, you need to change the amount of balance so that it does not look like you're collecting money.
• 3:01:13
  Correct?
• 3:01:16
  Unknown: Well, I
• 3:01:18
  mean, usually, writs of of garnishment,
• 3:01:21
  they hit your bank accounts
• 3:01:22
  so fast, you don't even realize it. So I don't know if there's really anything you could do. It's not like you can take that money out and,
• 3:01:31
  you know,
• 3:01:33
  I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to accomplish, but, you know, the checks are gonna continue to be deposited into that account.
• 3:01:40
  And,
• 3:01:42
  so I I don't really have an answer for
• 3:01:44
  that initial sixty days is untouchable.
• 3:01:48
  But,
• 3:01:48
  going forward, as the checks come in, I would think they are also untouchable.
• 3:01:54
  It's just whatever money was in there beyond the sixty days, that gets frozen
• 3:01:58
  temporarily.
• 3:02:00
  But eventually, can get them released.
• 3:02:03
  Unknown: Right. Well, what I'm getting at is it's gonna be an ongoing attempt to collect.
• 3:02:07
  And if you also,
• 3:02:10
  you know, put due diligence in that to stop that from happening, you would have to always make sure every well, actually, every thirty days probably, that that account is under,
• 3:02:20
  then it looks like there's money being moved and there's ever enough for what they need. And that would I would assume that would be the increment of one of your checks. Oh, I see what you're getting at. If you think that there's gonna be a writ of garnishment No. Thank you. You need to recycle
• 3:02:34
  Unknown: your money. You need to kinda keep always keep it fresh in there within the sixty day limit. Sure. You could do that.
• 3:02:41
  Unknown: You know? Rodge. Rodge. Yeah. Okay. That's what I wanted to do. Take the money
• 3:02:47
  Unknown: out beyond sixty days and go buy silver or something. You know?
• 3:02:51
  The excess. Because then you then you know it won't lose value, and you could go, you know, hide it somewhere. So that's a good point.
• 3:02:59
  Unknown: Okay. Thanks, sir. And that
• 3:03:01
  Unknown: that's exactly
• 3:03:03
  what I have been doing
• 3:03:05
  since I was notified someone was trying to collect on a debt
• 3:03:09
  from me. And it's not like there aren't things that I have to spend money on.
• 3:03:15
  So
• 3:03:17
  I know what the
• 3:03:19
  top
• 3:03:20
  amount is
• 3:03:21
  that is protected.
• 3:03:24
  And so
• 3:03:26
  I mean and
• 3:03:28
  I'm just not fearful about this stuff, but I just there's times when it might go $600
• 3:03:35
  above that.
• 3:03:36
  But in order for whoever it is in this judgment thing I have
• 3:03:43
  to find out about it and do something. The money's already gone. It's it's been spent below that. But the the idea here,
• 3:03:53
  the question that
• 3:03:56
  that guy asked, that that's how I operate.
• 3:04:02
  Unknown: Yes.
• 3:04:06
  You know, Larry,
• 3:04:08
  I'm back again.
• 3:04:15
  Unknown: Yeah. Go ahead.
• 3:04:17
  Unknown: You there, Larry?
• 3:04:18
  I am. This is Christian. This this really confused me now
• 3:04:23
  about the garnishment of your Social Security check.
• 3:04:31
  You say they can't do that. So then this kinda confused me what he was talking about.
• 3:04:38
  Like and you're and you kinda
• 3:04:41
  you kinda got it cleared up because
• 3:04:45
  what he was
• 3:04:47
  saying. So
• 3:04:53
  as long as you're paying bills out of your Social Security, I mean, you're not gonna show
• 3:04:59
  enough for them to try to
• 3:05:02
  trick you out of that money or what I don't know. I don't get it.
• 3:05:08
  A debt collector trying to trick you out of your Social Security?
• 3:05:20
  Larry?
• 3:05:21
  Unknown: Hold on one second,
• 3:05:23
  Christian.
• 3:06:11
  Okay. Go ahead, Christian.
• 3:06:13
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:06:14
  I I just got confused with this gentleman talking about
• 3:06:19
  if you have
• 3:06:21
  I don't know that like, that's if you have money in your
• 3:06:26
  Unknown: Okay. Here here's here's the deal. It let's just say
• 3:06:31
  Social Security isn't your only
• 3:06:39
  mode of income.
• 3:06:40
  Say you have a 401 ks, whatever,
• 3:06:43
  so
• 3:06:44
  you know, you're accumulating money in that bank account,
• 3:06:48
  and,
• 3:06:50
  you know, your your the Social Security checks are being deposited in that account.
• 3:06:55
  Well, if that account gets garnished. Garnished,
• 3:06:58
  the sixty days
• 3:07:00
  of Social Security checks cannot be garnished. They cannot be frozen.
• 3:07:05
  Anything else left over,
• 3:07:08
  the bank will do an audit on your account, and anything beyond the sixty days,
• 3:07:12
  day sixty one and beyond, is going to be frozen.
• 3:07:16
  And the Social Security money,
• 3:07:20
  if you can show that that let's just say you have
• 3:07:24
  you have $10,000
• 3:07:25
  in that account,
• 3:07:27
  and 5,000 of it is Social Security.
• 3:07:30
  Well,
• 3:07:31
  the 5,000 you can eventually get released,
• 3:07:34
  but you may have a hard time
• 3:07:37
  doing so with the other 5,000 balance.
• 3:07:40
  Does that make it a little bit more understandable?
• 3:07:43
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, I don't have to worry about that. I don't have any four zero one k.
• 3:07:48
  So it's all Social Security, you know?
• 3:07:51
  Right.
• 3:07:53
  Unknown: So then you have something to worry about. I mean, most people, they live paycheck to paycheck.
• 3:07:58
  And I would think that if all you're living on is Social Security,
• 3:08:01
  that money is getting used up pretty much
• 3:08:04
  on a weekly basis, maybe every couple of weeks,
• 3:08:07
  and so that money is always being regenerated
• 3:08:10
  and recycled, so to speak. So you're never going to have an excess over sixty one days.
• 3:08:17
  Unknown: Yeah, that's right. So you're
• 3:08:19
  Unknown: fine.
• 3:08:21
  You're fine. And again, just don't do anything.
• 3:08:24
  Just don't don't
• 3:08:26
  worry about another
• 3:08:29
  don't, you know, don't give your energy to any more worry over this whole situation.
• 3:08:34
  Just let it go.
• 3:08:37
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:08:38
  You know? Just let it go. You'll be fine. I just hope you're around. If I get some kind of
• 3:08:45
  push on, like y'all said, just wait and see what they're gonna do, and we'll work from there. You know?
• 3:08:50
  Unknown: Yeah. I I hope I'm around too.
• 3:08:53
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 3:08:54
  I hope, Larry, you don't go away.
• 3:08:58
  Unknown: Hey, Larry.
• 3:09:00
  Unknown: Here's one for you.
• 3:09:02
  Whoever discloses,
• 3:09:04
  uses,
• 3:09:05
  or compels the disclosure of the Social Security number in violation of the laws of The United States
• 3:09:11
  shall be guilty of a felony
• 3:09:13
  and upon conviction
• 3:09:15
  thereof shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned
• 3:09:20
  not more than five years or both.
• 3:09:23
  Title 42 United States code section four zero eight
• 3:09:28
  parenthesis
• 3:09:28
  a
• 3:09:29
  parenthesis eight.
• 3:09:31
  Disclosure
• 3:09:32
  of the Social Security number,
• 3:09:35
  it shall be unlawful for any federal,
• 3:09:37
  state, or local government agency to deny
• 3:09:41
  to any individual
• 3:09:42
  any right, any benefit,
• 3:09:44
  any privilege
• 3:09:45
  provided by law because of such individual's
• 3:09:49
  refusal
• 3:09:50
  to disclose his social security account number,
• 3:09:53
  title five United States code
• 3:09:56
  section five five two
• 3:09:59
  parenthesis
• 3:10:00
  eight.
• 3:10:06
  So it's a felony.
• 3:10:19
  Unknown: You
• 3:10:21
  can't be compelled to give out your social security number, I'm aware of that,
• 3:10:25
  but a lot of times,
• 3:10:27
  depending on the situation,
• 3:10:29
  if you don't voluntarily give it, then you're not going to receive what
• 3:10:34
  it is you're trying to acquire.
• 3:10:37
  So that's just the way the society is set up.
• 3:10:42
  And even though you could probably bring a lawsuit against the financial institution,
• 3:10:47
  I mean, you know, lawsuits are costly.
• 3:10:50
  There's never a guarantee of what's going to happen,
• 3:10:55
  you're going to win or succeed.
• 3:10:59
  You could have attorneys that are being very well paid,
• 3:11:03
  the opposing attorneys,
• 3:11:05
  and
• 3:11:06
  banks have an unlimited supply of money. So do you really want to go down that road?
• 3:11:12
  These are all decisions you're going to have to make.
• 3:11:14
  But yeah, you're right. You can't be compelled to give your Social Security number to anyone
• 3:11:21
  if they say, well, we have to have this in order to do business. That's not true.
• 3:11:34
  Unknown: Hey, Larry.
• 3:11:37
  Hey, Larry. Yeah.
• 3:11:42
  Back to the banking thing, but then I wanna
• 3:11:46
  address something Jerry said.
• 3:11:49
  So
• 3:11:51
  if I'm understanding this correctly,
• 3:11:56
  the the one issue there was nonactivity.
• 3:12:00
  Is that correct?
• 3:12:02
  Nonactivity
• 3:12:03
  for a sixty day period.
• 3:12:07
  Is that it?
• 3:12:09
  Unknown: The if the source is Social Security,
• 3:12:13
  that's the key.
• 3:12:14
  No. If the source is Social Security, it's all exempt.
• 3:12:18
  But the first sixty days of those Social Security deposits
• 3:12:22
  cannot be frozen.
• 3:12:26
  Unknown: I see.
• 3:12:27
  Yeah. Because
• 3:12:29
  I
• 3:12:30
  I check out my bank account online,
• 3:12:35
  and there's regularly a notice there
• 3:12:38
  that
• 3:12:39
  I think it's, like, two years if there's
• 3:12:43
  no activity.
• 3:12:45
  In other words,
• 3:12:46
  doing anything,
• 3:12:48
  spending money, receiving money, you know, depositing
• 3:12:53
  checks or etcetera
• 3:12:55
  for whatever the period was. I think it was two years
• 3:13:00
  that
• 3:13:02
  they will close my
• 3:13:04
  account.
• 3:13:05
  I don't know if that's related in any way,
• 3:13:09
  But for me, in a in a way, it
• 3:13:13
  well, I I guess it's not related to
• 3:13:17
  because we're
• 3:13:19
  we're splitting
• 3:13:20
  the amount. It's it's absolute that the amount you get from Social Security
• 3:13:26
  is untouchable.
• 3:13:28
  But
• 3:13:29
  if you have
• 3:13:32
  let's say that's untouchable,
• 3:13:34
  but you don't do any activity for sixty days,
• 3:13:41
  can they then kind of freeze that account, or is it only applicable
• 3:13:48
  when there's more than that
• 3:13:53
  in the account?
• 3:13:56
  Unknown: All banks have their own policies.
• 3:13:59
  If you're not if you're not
• 3:14:01
  if that bank account has no activity,
• 3:14:04
  then sure. They can they can do whatever the policy says.
• 3:14:08
  But I don't think that's related to the Social Security
• 3:14:11
  garnishment
• 3:14:12
  issue that we're talking about. Yeah.
• 3:14:15
  Unknown: Yeah. I'm
• 3:14:17
  I'm I'm positive that
• 3:14:19
  Christian
• 3:14:20
  has nothing to worry about because the only income he's got coming into there is
• 3:14:24
  Social Security.
• 3:14:26
  Unknown: The Exactly. And it gets used up probably pretty fast if that's all you got.
• 3:14:31
  Unknown: I know mine does.
• 3:14:33
  Unknown: I have trouble eating sometime.
• 3:14:41
  So it does go fast.
• 3:14:46
  Unknown: Plus, just untouchable
• 3:14:48
  funds. It it
• 3:14:52
  it like I mentioned earlier,
• 3:14:55
  you know,
• 3:14:56
  I have had a judgment against me,
• 3:15:01
  and
• 3:15:02
  I just
• 3:15:04
  the the court don't go after it. And and it wasn't like I was when I learned about banking, that was it. I learned about the fraud,
• 3:15:14
  and that ticked me off.
• 3:15:16
  And
• 3:15:19
  credit card companies came after me.
• 3:15:22
  I won
• 3:15:24
  some cases
• 3:15:27
  and
• 3:15:28
  lost some cases,
• 3:15:29
  but
• 3:15:30
  they always
• 3:15:32
  sell at least a third party debt collectors.
• 3:15:36
  And so I had a form answer,
• 3:15:39
  and it all went away.
• 3:15:42
  And I used to help people with this
• 3:15:45
  same type of situation. It just it just worked. It's the right tool for the job.
• 3:15:51
  And
• 3:15:53
  so,
• 3:15:54
  anyway,
• 3:15:58
  that's my 2¢ on that.
• 3:16:02
  Thanks.
• 3:16:07
  Unknown: I sure thank you. Thank you all for hanging out
• 3:16:10
  on this
• 3:16:12
  for me, I tell you.
• 3:16:15
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 3:16:16
  What I would add to this conversation
• 3:16:19
  is, don't
• 3:16:21
  bank anymore than you have to. Keep as little funds
• 3:16:25
  as you can in the thing and
• 3:16:28
  and buy up food and supplies with what you got for now because
• 3:16:34
  you're gonna be buying a lot less
• 3:16:36
  with a lot more here pretty soon the way things are going. I mean, it's self evident. Right? So Right. Yeah. I
• 3:16:44
  try to
• 3:16:46
  spend my slave chuckle from my Social Security as fast as I can for the most part
• 3:16:52
  And then buy things that really
• 3:16:55
  have value instead of pieces
• 3:16:58
  of paper with dead idiots on them.
• 3:17:03
  Unknown: Bind your brain.
• 3:17:14
  And y'all are top notch.
• 3:17:16
  Y'all are top notch people, boy.
• 3:17:21
  Unknown: Well, like I said,
• 3:17:22
  when I got this notice, this writing
• 3:17:27
  papers from my bank,
• 3:17:31
  they told me
• 3:17:33
  an amount that could not be touched
• 3:17:37
  in any way.
• 3:17:39
  It was secure,
• 3:17:41
  and it was about a thousand dollars more per month
• 3:17:46
  than I got from Social Security.
• 3:17:49
  So
• 3:17:51
  it's not just
• 3:17:53
  the amount that you I mean,
• 3:17:56
  this might be anecdotal.
• 3:17:59
  I don't know,
• 3:18:00
  but
• 3:18:01
  I tend to think it's not. So there's more protection
• 3:18:07
  as far as the amount senior checking account
• 3:18:11
  than just Social Security.
• 3:18:51
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 3:18:53
  Larry, are you still there?
• 3:19:00
  Unknown: I'm here. What
• 3:19:02
  Unknown: about if you don't do nothing? And that judge told me about 6%
• 3:19:08
  adding up every month
• 3:19:10
  interest.
• 3:19:18
  Unknown: A junk debt buyer can't charge you interest on a debt.
• 3:19:22
  I don't know what he meant by that.
• 3:19:26
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:19:27
  That's that's that's
• 3:19:29
  entice I mean, I'm that's that's good. I'm glad glad to hear that. Yeah. He was saying Whatever the judgment is, that's all it is. They can't keep
• 3:19:39
  Unknown: the judgment cannot accrue interest.
• 3:19:42
  The judgment is final. That's why they're called a final judgment.
• 3:19:47
  So Oh. You The judgment is the amount of the alleged debt
• 3:19:52
  plus court fees.
• 3:19:55
  That's it.
• 3:19:57
  Unknown: Praise God. Fine. Thanks, though. Yep.
• 3:20:00
  Thank you for hanging around there, Larry.
• 3:20:05
  Yeah.
• 3:20:07
  That puts another light on it for me right there.
• 3:20:12
  All I could see is 6%, 6%, 6%.
• 3:20:15
  You know?
• 3:20:19
  Appreciate that.
• 3:20:24
  Unknown: Yeah. Sorry about the delay. I'm enjoying two pieces of my favorite pizza for lunch.
• 3:20:30
  This stuff is phenomenal.
• 3:20:34
  Unknown: Hey. That
• 3:20:35
  y'all just go ahead and enjoy it. I'll tell you,
• 3:20:39
  I've held y'all too long already. Y'all y'all have been very, very honorable for
• 3:20:47
  pass pass
• 3:20:48
  the the show.
• 3:20:51
  Everybody's hungry and needs to get to their family. So I appreciate
• 3:20:55
  y'all.
• 3:20:56
  Unknown: Hey, Christian.
• 3:20:59
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 3:21:01
  Christian? Yes.
• 3:21:03
  Unknown: Yeah. This is Ed from Michigan.
• 3:21:05
  The I just got a question for you.
• 3:21:08
  Did you ever get
• 3:21:10
  a letter
• 3:21:12
  that said that, you know, you need to respond in ten days from this debt collecting people?
• 3:21:20
  Unknown: Yes. I did. That was the first letter I got.
• 3:21:24
  And Okay. And I never seen it because
• 3:21:27
  it was it was like just like a bulk rate
• 3:21:31
  type
• 3:21:33
  letter. Yep.
• 3:21:35
  And and it had a little bitty square at the top left.
• 3:21:40
  It was just a
• 3:21:41
  just looked like nothing, but right little writing out, it said attorney at law.
• 3:21:48
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:21:49
  Unknown: Yeah. I'm
• 3:21:51
  Unknown: familiar with that.
• 3:21:53
  I had a
• 3:21:55
  you I had a small business and I had a credit card company that I was dealing with
• 3:22:00
  and they were charging me stuff that I didn't sign on the contract.
• 3:22:07
  So finally, I just shut the account down,
• 3:22:10
  you know, terminated their ability to
• 3:22:13
  take money out of my account. Well then,
• 3:22:16
  they turned, you know, they said, oh you owe us $300
• 3:22:20
  and they turned it over a debt collection place.
• 3:22:24
  And,
• 3:22:25
  you know, I got this that ten day or that ten day notice from the credit or not the credit card people that I signed the contract with, but the debt collecting people. Yeah. The debt collector. Yeah. Right. So That was it.
• 3:22:39
  Yeah. But I think that
• 3:22:42
  I learned this from Roger,
• 3:22:45
  that that's a confirmatory
• 3:22:47
  writing.
• 3:22:49
  So unless
• 3:22:50
  you respond to that within ten days,
• 3:22:54
  they default against you.
• 3:22:58
  And you know, a merchant contract. It really should never be used against
• 3:23:03
  normal people
• 3:23:05
  but that's what they're doing. So that
• 3:23:08
  ten day thing, that's a confirmatory writing. If you don't respond to that,
• 3:23:13
  I think that
• 3:23:15
  the whole system is set up to default against you.
• 3:23:20
  So then that's when
• 3:23:23
  got locked in. Now in my case,
• 3:23:26
  I responded back to the email that they gave me
• 3:23:30
  and said, Hey, I'm really surprised to see this, you know, as far as I'm concerned, the company that I was dealing with owes me about $250
• 3:23:41
  Well,
• 3:23:42
  never responded back to that and I never heard another word,
• 3:23:46
  you know, but I did do it within that ten day window, you know. Yeah.
• 3:23:52
  So anyway,
• 3:23:53
  so I think that original letter you got, I think would be considered
• 3:23:58
  a specialty contract
• 3:24:00
  called the confirmatory
• 3:24:02
  writing.
• 3:24:05
  Anyway, that's just my 2¢ for anybody else that might come across this again. That was my experience
• 3:24:12
  And I and the only reason I responded was because I learned that from Roger. So
• 3:24:17
  Unknown: Well, yeah, that's that's
• 3:24:20
  something to be aware of because
• 3:24:23
  that that letter came, and I was busy in hospital trying to save my son's life
• 3:24:30
  Mhmm. In all that year.
• 3:24:33
  And it came in the mail, and I just, you know, probably just threw it over there. It didn't look like anything.
• 3:24:39
  Right.
• 3:24:40
  And somehow,
• 3:24:43
  I ran across that letter, and it said
• 3:24:46
  that
• 3:24:47
  to let them know by February
• 3:24:51
  25.
• 3:24:55
  I believe it was '25. It could have been '26.
• 3:24:58
  Let them know something.
• 3:24:59
  And it was too late. It was already March. You know? Oh oh, really? Okay. So you Yeah. Get in a timely manner.
• 3:25:06
  No, I didn't.
• 3:25:09
  Sounds
• 3:25:09
  Unknown: So you with the bail system these days, it's like, how can you do any of this legal stuff, you know? Yeah.
• 3:25:16
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah.
• 3:25:18
  So I don't know.
• 3:25:20
  So Alright, mate.
• 3:25:22
  Luck with you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate
• 3:25:25
  it. Got a lot of good people on the on the show that can
• 3:25:31
  help me out if anything else
• 3:25:33
  comes up. Like, I just wanna sit tight and
• 3:25:38
  Unknown: not do anything right now. Well, we we all we all know a little bit.
• 3:25:43
  That's how it works. Yeah. And you know you know more about how this other court stuff goes than some of us who have never been there. So,
• 3:25:51
  yeah, appreciate everybody being here.
• 3:25:55
  Unknown: Alright. That's it for me. I learned the hard way.
• 3:25:58
  Take care, Christian. Okay. Thank you. What's your name, sir?
• 3:26:02
  Unknown: Ed from Michigan.
• 3:26:04
  Unknown: Ed from okay, Ed. I've heard you before, okay. Yeah. From Michigan. Alright.
• 3:26:08
  Yeah. Thanks.
• 3:26:10
  Alright.
• 3:26:11
  Thank you.
• 3:26:59
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• 3:27:01
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• 3:27:04
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