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Operation Gladio: The CIA, Mossad & City of London’s Plan for a New World Order · Man in America Podcast

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Something that continually interests me is the ongoing deep diving into understanding who really controls this world. To think that, yeah, maybe, you know, early on in your journey, you think of this idea that, oh, it's a bunch of different countries all made up of different leaders, and they're all battling out for control, kinda like the different states in America. There's different states and governors.
• 0:45
  And but as you start researching, you start discovering that there is there are multiple layers and layers of control over top of these countries. There are the corporations, there's the banking, there's the the military, there's different kinds of entities and shadowy figures and organizations and secret societies that are manipulating and controlling the world in ways that we it makes it very difficult for us to understand. But whenever I find someone who's done deep dives into this kind of research, I'm always so fascinating. So I'm so fascinated by it. So my guest today is a lovely woman.
• 1:23
  Her name is, colonel Towner Wilkins. She is a former, air force US air force colonel, retired, who is absolutely brilliant, extremely well researched. But what we're gonna be talking about today specifically is something called Operation Gladio and why in her course of research discovering Operation Gladio was one of the most important discoveries that she made in understanding how these control mechanisms are put into place around the world. And when you look at Gladio, it kind of opens up Pandora's box and understanding, oh my goodness, this is the playbook for overthrowing countries, for bringing corporate control, and so much more. In today's show, we're gonna be diving into looking deep into the the origins and and the the pyramids of control coming out of the city of London and, through various countries and the banking industry and and the drug trade and the CIA and so much more.
• 2:16
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• 3:24
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• 3:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: So you're a retired colonel, US Air Force, if I'm not mistaken. I'll be, I'll let you give a little bit of your own background. I look at your wall of pins and diplomas, everything there. I'll let you give your own introduction, which will do better than me.
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: So I have thirty years in the Air Force and I enlisted as an Airman basic and worked my way up to colonel, thanks to the taxpayers investment in me. I spent most of my adult life in some type of an educational program. I have six different degrees and none of them are related to, well, one may be semi related to what my last three years worth of research has been in. I do a lot of reading. I have been an avid reader my whole life, and I've only ever read non fiction.
• 4:42
  And so the extent of knowledge that I have about history is fairly deep. And it's very rare that I come across a book that has information in it that of like knocks me out. That was up until three years ago. I've read over 120 books now just on Operation Gladio once I found it. And every single book that I read knocks me for a loop.
• 5:21
  And it is so critical that people understand what it is because you are seeing it play out in real world like in Venezuela and what was happening in Bangladesh because it involves a group of people that we, for the most part, don't even know their names. I refer to them as the international syndicate that works collectively to monopolize resources. And by resources, I'm talking about people, I'm talking about minerals, I'm talking about oil, I'm talking about every form of resources that are on Earth. They want to control it. And that's kind of where I would like to start because if people understand this life cycle, they'll understand so much of what they're seeing play out today.
• 6:22
  And this international syndicate goes back. Some people can track it back two hundred years. I basically tracked it back to the end of the late 1800s in a group called the Fabian Society. And the Fabian Society was full of anarchists, eugenicists, and all kinds of people, primarily in the city of London. And names that you recognize come out of this Cecil Rhodes, Balfour, the Rothschilds, all of that.
• 7:01
  And they spread across The Atlantic into The United States in the form of the Council on Foreign Relations and that type of thing. And they were very vocal about what they wanted. They wanted one world government, and they said it. One world government. We were all shocked when people discovered that George Bush Sr.
• 7:22
  Said it in an address during his presidency. It goes so much farther back than that. And this group of people basically had set up a concept that these corporations, that they're on the boards of the transnational corporations and that they control, at the time in the early 1900s, they paid for their own intelligence and their own mercenaries to go into countries like Iran and take over the oil into Africa and colonize them. We are all familiar with the British Empire, the Spanish Empire, the Dutch Empire, but they all had cost of doing business because they had to pay for their own mercenaries and they had to pay for their own intelligence. Well, that all changed after World War II, and oh, by the way, the Fabian society said they'd have their one world government with three wars.
• 8:22
  So after World War II, we, for the first time worldwide, had standing militaries and central intelligence agencies all across the world. Every country set up a central intelligence counterpart. Well, that was great for the transnational corporations that are running this whole thing because they don't have to pay for them now. That increased their profits tremendously. So now that cost was offloaded to all of the taxpayers around the world.
• 8:55
  We're paying for their intelligence and their military. And by the way, I can draw a direct correlation toward to all of the military engagements post World War two to the resources and the companies that were responsible for whatever false flag that got us into the wars. Okay?
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. Let me jump in real quick because I wanna it's okay. I'll do it periodically because I wanna make sure I'm following you. So first off, you seem, you know, similar to me the way much more well researched and that you just keep digging and digging and digging. And I imagine you're not researching birds, you're researching the global control structure, you're peeling back the veil of who's really running this world.
• 9:41
  And so that you're saying a couple of years ago, when you discovered Operation Gladio, was almost like you found their hidden playbook. Found the tools and the strategies that would be used. And so you talk about how in the late 1800s, the international is it called the international syndicate? Is that what
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: you International.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: You have this international syndicate and how they built this corporatocracy, this layer of these, you know, multinational corporations that at that time had their own hitmen and and militaries that they would then use these corporations to go in, overthrow government, seize resource, etcetera. But then post World War two, act in the advent of the intelligence agencies, Mossad, CIA, etcetera.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: ACIA in Korea, the BND in Germany. Yeah. Every one of them.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: That they were then able to then have these corporations use these militaries and private contractors and,
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: you know, hit We're not even to the private contractors.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Okay. So kind of, I mean, part of this reminds me of what I read and what I, when I interviewed John Perkins, Economic Hitman, talking about how Exxon had their own private military in Ecuador. And it's like, okay, that doesn't make sense, but it does. And so to make sure that I'm following, and I'll let you continue because this is like right up my alley in terms of what I'm interested in.
• 11:08
  Okay.
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: So they've offloaded their expense account onto the taxpayers post World War two.
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• 12:39
  Speaker 2: Who would who did they hire to go into the CIA? They're not you and I. They're Wall Street bankers. They're Wall Street lawyers. They're college professors.
• 12:51
  These are the people that are like the Praetorian guard for the transnational organizations. They're their foot soldiers. So they all have allegiance to these same transnational organizations, and they are who makes up the CIA. So it's very, very interesting. And of course, your senior military officers, they all go work for the military industrial companies.
• 13:24
  Process that goes on in the military by sending our senior officers to the Harvard professional management and all of those types of places. And they're groomed to be the people companies. That then transition into these multinational companies in order to perpetuate this cycle. Okay, so we've got that step. So now we have all of these on the taxpayer dimes.
• 13:49
  What happened after nineeleven? What happened well, actually it started after Desert Storm. We had but it, like, peaked back to your point about the private military. After nine eleven, there's this explosion of private intelligence and private military companies, right? Because now we're operating in two theaters.
• 14:16
  Oh my god, we're overwhelmed. We were never overwhelmed. That was never too big. Number one, we shouldn't have been there, but it was never too big. Our entire military footprint was two theater wars.
• 14:30
  That was in the same theater. That was not passed, but they used that as an excuse to start privatizing and outsourcing from both the CIA. So now the CIA has a ton of contractors and the military has a ton of contractors. Well, if you follow the footprints of those military contractors, whether it's Blackwater, NOW Academy, and you start doing a wiring diagram, who all owns them? The International Syndicate.
• 15:02
  They now own all of the major. So think about this. Not only did we pay for their intelligence and military by creating a standing military after World War II and the CIA, the CIA has never worked for the American people. They have always worked for this group. But now, through our taxpayer dollars being funneled through the DOD, now Secretary of Bohr, and the CIA, And these companies who now has a direct line back to the international syndicate, they're profiting off of our taxpayer dollars.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Basically They are making a fortune. So what I think you're kind of lifting the lid off of the military industrial complex. Right? And so and intelligence. So if you look at companies like Battelle or Boeing or Lockheed Martin or Palantir, you have all of these, which a lot of these companies have very kind of ominous origins, like, you know, Palantir, for instance,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: shows on Patel. I'm very familiar with them.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, see. I my I had I had family that worked for actually still works for Patel because I grew up in Ohio, and there are multiple Battelle facilities in Ohio.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, there are.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Yep. And so basically, have these, this small group of the, the cabal, the international syndicate, the small group of these power players, wealthy families, bankers, etcetera. They have these layers of multinational corporations with immense control that are, you know, not even they they exceed the power of even countries and nation states because they're these global entities. But then how they have tapped into create these basically private military, private intelligence, private so you have all these, you know, Navy SEALs and, you know, these these kind of heavy hitting mercenaries that then go into private contracting. And they might be, you might have, you might trace it up into the line and figure out that it's actually Exxon that somehow is funding the overthrow of a country to seize the oil reserves of some African country.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yes. And one of the most and I know the economic hitman covered this, but Chile is probably one of the best examples of that, where you had PepsiCo, ITT, and at the time Anaconda Mining, which was interested because at the time Chile was the number one copper mining country in the world. And they literally went to President Nixon and said, we'll pay you to get rid of Salvador Allende. And who did they send? They sent the CIA.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: The Jackals.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So let's go back. So now that you have the straw man, you have the actual concept because that's critically important. So after World War II well, not even after. During World War II, there is a critical meeting that most people don't even know happened at the end of the war.
• 18:05
  It happened in Northern Italy, and it involved Alan Dulles and a major general by the name of Lyman Leminsker. He was the chief logistician for General Eisenhower, who was the commander in Europe. Okay. Now why would a logistician go to a pre end of war meeting with the spymaster of the OSS? Well, there's a guy by the name of General Wolfe.
• 18:34
  Wolfe had created a program called Werewolf Units, and Werewolf Units had another name called Stay Behind Units, and General Wolfe had Reinhard Galen who worked for him on the Eastern Front. Reinhard Galen's number one trainer of stay behind units, werewolf units, was Otto Skorzeny, and they went behind as the Eastern Front plunged into Russia during World War II, and they were planting stay behind units, and their thought was that they would bury caches of weapons and train normal day citizens to be mercenaries, assassins, whatever, and they had explosive guns, money, and communication equipment in all these caches. And if the Russians pushed back, which they did, then the idea was these stay behind units would pop up behind the front and sabotage them from the rear. That's why they were called stay behind units. They were in Ukraine, Hungary, Yugoslavia, everywhere on what became eventually Eastern Europe.
• 19:48
  And they had them in France, they had them in Austria, they were everywhere that was under German control. So General Wolff's deal with Alan Dulles was, we will turn over the map and the people involved in our program for the freedom, the rat lining out, of certain high level people that control this network, and will work for you. We Nazis will work for Allen Dulles in the future, and we will spread this tentacle all over the world. We'll put them in Iran. We'll put them in Korea.
• 20:30
  We'll put them in South America. And they did. They put them in Egypt. And I've been able to trace these networks all over. Now think about this.
• 20:42
  These are people that are basically trained mercenaries that you can pick up the phone worldwide and have them do anything you want. So that meeting happens. Lyman Lemusker then goes back to Germany and Dwight D. Eisenhower, who goes on to be president that uses this network, and says, here's what we're going to do. I'm going to set up and supply, get rid of the German munitions, and we're going to take the excess of World War II munitions, and we're going to resupply all of these stay behind networks, and we're going to set them up in all of NATO.
• 21:25
  And so NATO sets up and they have a secret agreement that Daniel Ganzer talks about in his book, NATO Secret Armies, that every NATO country has to sign saying you're going set up gladiator units. Every NATO country. So every country that signed on to NATO set up their version. Now they're called different things, like in Turkey, they're called gray wolves. In Portugal, they were called a ginger press.
• 21:56
  So they have different names. In France, they were the OAS. So they have different names. But Operation Italy's program was called Gladio, and the reason you now generically call this entire infrastructure Gladio is because Italy first exposed it. They were the first country in 1990 to go, Yeah, we kind of have Gladio and we kind of have been.
• 22:24
  So the whole auspices that they decided collectively they were going to use to sell this to the very few people they told about it is we have to have them because of communism. Is literally the day after World War II stops. Fifty million dead in the Soviet Union. They're not coming over the Folgate Gap. They can't even get their shit together.
• 22:50
  So they're not a threat. Literally the day after, we've got this entire stay behind unit program adopted throughout Europe due to the communist threat that basically doesn't exist. And another point that I'd have to make at this point is when there was the term communist used, you have to be very careful. I'm not saying communism doesn't exist, but there has been a propaganda campaign that our government participated in that labeled anything they didn't like a communist. You see it happening right now.
• 23:30
  Now we're using Nazis, but that's kind of two wings of the same bird. Oh, you're a Nazi. Oh, you're a communist. And they do that psychologically to control people. Well, I don't want to do this because you'll call me a Nazi, and I don't want to do this because you'll call me a communist, and it's control.
• 23:48
  It's called the strategy of tension. If you create a far right and a far left, you can push everybody into psychologically doing what you want them to do. Otherwise, you're going to call them names. So after Italy was freed from Mussolini, there was a lot of very poor Italians that wanted to labor wise organize. Well, weirdly enough, there was a lot of American companies in Italy during Mussolini.
• 24:25
  Most people don't know that. A lot. Because it was really totalitarianism or fascism where the corporations basically control everything. It's the mini version of what I just described. The corporations are all there, and they get a stick figure called Mussolini to run all of the terrorism and lock people up and terrorize them with their special police, and then the workers are all just exploited.
• 24:53
  So that's what Italy had been through. So as soon as the workers began forming unions against these transnational presence in Italy, they were labeled communist. And whether that's the appropriate term for a laborist who basically wants a fair wage, you can debate all day long. But they were not communist as what you and I have been brainwashed to believe. They did not want the government to own anything.
• 25:24
  They wanted a fair wage. So they were labeled a communist by the CIA immediately, and then the CIA spent $35,000,000 in 1948 to elect the president that was favored joining NATO as opposed to the one that was running against them that did not want to be in NATO, they didn't want to be in anything, they had just got rid of Mussolini, they just wanted to be free. That was not acceptable because we have to have everybody in NATO. And you see that playing out right now. We're in Georgia.
• 25:56
  We're in Slovakia. We criticize Hungary all the time because he opposes the approved talking points of NATO. So literally everything I'm telling you right about this happened eighty years ago is still happening today, which is why you have to understand it, because it makes everything going on today make so much more sense. Okay, so that's the very first election interference the CIA participated in in 1948, literally right out of the gate. So now we have these stay behind units and everybody signed up to be part of it.
• 26:37
  And so I had been researching this for about a year and I was sitting reading a book and I just like threw myself back in the chair and I'm like, holy crap, we're in NATO. Where's our stay behinds? Who's our stay behinds? We had to sign the same document. So then I went off on this rabbit hole that I'm still in, that I looked at every so let me just make this point too.
• 27:04
  So while we use communism as the mechanism to justify setting these things up, never once in eighty years were they ever used to combat communism, not once. They were 100% used to create domestic terrorist events to control the people within the country. 100% of the time, they created terrorism domestically to effect change in their own people. So in Italy, you had the Bologna bombing, you had the train station bombing, you had a bank bombing, you had cops assassinated on the street. All eventually, initially, they were all called, the Red Brigade did it, It's communist.
• 27:58
  They're going to destroy our country. Not a single instance was it a communist that did any of those domestic terror events. Every single one of them was done by Gladio. And the if you recall, when John Paul II, his attempted assassination in, the Vatican, do you remember that event?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Mm-mm. No.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Where he was shot? John Paul II when the Pope was shot? That was a gladio operator from Turkey. He was a member of their Gray Wolf unit. So they travel.
• 28:32
  They travel amongst themselves. Two French OAS agents was in Dallas when JFK was assassinated. What their role is, I don't know, but it has been verified two of them were there.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: So, basically okay. So you have these stay behind units, which is really, you know, it's somewhat of like a fifth column, right? It's this
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Think Think Antipa.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And so you have these, these units that I'm sure these units have infiltrated the far left and the far right because it's it's again, it's pincher movement, right, hidden from both sides, you know, strategy of tension. Right? And so what they've done is that they have used these units to create, you know, you know, to have, you know, false flags, etcetera, to you know, a Galen die dialectic, you know, problem reaction solution. You know?
• 29:26
  Oh, the towers are down. You know? Blame blame the, the buzz the Muslims and bring in the Patriot Act, right, to protect us from the Muslims. Right? Exactly.
• 29:35
  And so you've seen the same pattern play out all over the world, which, okay, especially looking at NATO countries to kind of bring us together with the seat of a lot of this power coming out of the city of London, you know, through the, you know, through the banking families, Oh,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: leave the London.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes. And so then what you're seeing and how you're tying it to now looking at America now, even as recently as a Charlie Kirk assassination, right? Which to me is that there's no way I believe that it was just some lone gunman. It's like, oh, it was a JFK two point zero.
• 30:10
  All a sudden everyone's like, it was a lone gunman. It's like, okay. Same as the butler.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Never been a lone gunman.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Same with butler. It's like, oh, just a random kid that you know? Okay. There's no way I believe that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Never And
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: so a lone gunman. So you're seeing these same patterns of playing out in America and creating this. And while a lot of people will then it's funny because what I've found in researching this is that there's so many layers to this. And and and some people might they might scrape past the first layer of deception and say, oh, it wasn't the lone gunman. It was the CIA.
• 30:42
  It was Mossad. Right? But even that, though, is still just another another mask that's hiding, and it's hiding and hiding. And so they have these layers, but they're using the intelligence agencies. But as you mentioned, it's not the intelligence agencies that we think of that are controlled by the US government.
• 30:56
  These are rogue agencies that are being run by I
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: wouldn't go that far. There is a direct line from the US government to the CIA. I'm just telling you they ignore it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yes. Oh, I see. Okay.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: So it's a proven fact that in the past, both in Chile, Guatemala is a great example. When we overthrew the government in 1954, the year after we overthrew Iran in 1953, in Guatemala, you had CIA agents on the ground, and there's declassified cables saying, there's no communists here. No. No. There's no communist here.
• 31:43
  Yet all of the official intelligence assessments produced in Washington all called him communist. He has communist affiliations. It's the hallmark stealing John Brennan's line, it's the hallmark of Russian disinformation. It's the hallmark of communism. And that's all that got print printed in the press here because they're all controlled by him as well, that there were communists running literally everywhere in Guatemala, so we have to, you know, Monroe Doctrine, we have to go overthrow the government.
• 32:17
  And it wasn't any of that. That all boiled down to United Fruit owning basically all of their aritable land under corrupt land deals by buying off the elite class in Guatemala. Think it was Arbenz gets elected, and he goes, Yeah, we're not going to do that anymore. We're going to give you the taxable value of that land, which you have paid taxes for the last twenty years on a million dollars. Here's your million dollars in a deal, it wasn't paid all in one chunk.
• 32:48
  But he said, here's your million dollars. And United Fruit immediately goes, No, no, it's worth $20,000,000 And then Arbenz goes, Well, you owe me a shit ton of money then because you've only been paying taxes on a million dollars. And so United Fruit just calls up Alan Dulles, who used to be their attorney, and says, Hey, take them out. And we took them out. And so that's literally how these things work.
• 33:13
  So United Fruit got to stay down there, it become Chiquita Banana, and they were just sued in Miami within the last couple of years and had to pay out tens of millions of dollars for the amount of people they were responsible for killing because of these types of activities. And United Fruit was in Cuba, United Fruit was in Nicaragua, they were all over Latin America doing this kind of stuff. And so it it brings you to the the real world stuff of the coup that just happened in Bangladesh. If you look at that coup, 100% USAID, which is now a CIA front, was, it's now gone, but you still have the National Endowment for Democracy and it does exactly the same thing. It's probably worth talking about that for just a second because in the 1970s, the CIA, all of those hearings about the CIA, they got outed as doing all of these coups.
• 34:19
  So what they decided to do was set up all of these other organizations like USAID, which technically had already existed.
• 34:28
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• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And so the National Endowment for Democracy was set up in the early nineteen eighties by Ronald Reagan right about the time we're gonna do Iran Contra, weirdly enough. And, they started funding it has four pots of money, basically, and it's very important what pots they are. They have a Democrat pot, they have a Republican pot, they have a Union pot, and they have a Chamber of Commerce pot, and they do collectively regime change. So there's three elements to control, to power: economic, political, and military. We already got the military.
• 36:19
  So the union and the chamber, those two things that are supposed to hate each other, they work collectively together with political warfare. So the national endowment for democracy, the Democrats and Republicans, two wings of the same bird, basically split. Hey. We'll do this country. You do that country.
• 36:40
  You do this country. We'll do that country. And they work with these two other pots to infiltrate the unions on behalf of the transnational organizations, and the chamber represents the transnational organizations, and they collectively just swoop in and overthrow a government using the CIA and USAID. And there's probably no better example modern day than Venezuela. If you go back and you look at Venezuela, as soon as they nationalized their oil company and kicked the transnationals out, I don't know if your audience knows, but the Rockefellers basically owned almost the entire food distribution network.
• 37:22
  Nelson Rockefeller was down there and owned a whole bunch of grocery stores. They were just infiltrated. And in each of these cases, they develop a corrupt elite. Same thing happened in Cuba. You develop this in order for this type of corruption and control to go on, you have to have an elite group of people in the country that you can control, just like here.
• 37:49
  So when the country gets overthrown, who do you think comes here as ex pats? This corrupt people that had been in bed with the transnationals. So now think Miami, where you have all of these Venezuelans and all of these Cubans all come and set up shop in Miami. And they're not great people, I'm sorry to tell you. Are there a lot of great people that are Cuban and Venezuela?
• 38:18
  Absolutely. But embedded in that is all of these corrupt elite people because they've got to flee the country because they did some really nasty things. The same thing happened in Nicaragua when we got rid of the CIA installed Somoza government. The same thing happened in Chile when we got rid of Pinochet, or when we installed Pinochet. So you have all of these, and these refugees all come to America and they're controlled on where they set up camp like Somalia in Minnesota so that they are able to control the local networks.
• 38:57
  And that's how all of this stuff affects us today. Everybody likes to say, all of our political class likes to say, oh, Venezuela, Maduro is not legitimate. Their elections are corrupt. They use the same machines we do. Oh, and by the way, the three guys that set that up was part of this elite class that moved to, The United States in Miami.
• 39:26
  The machines were actually created in a Florida business in Miami. So tell me again how they're corrupt. They elected our president. So what do you say in here? And nobody can explain that.
• 39:41
  Oh, it's corrupt when it's used over there. Well, then it would be corrupt when it's used here if it's corruptible. Literally, you start understanding the depth of depravity of what they have set up, it allows you to see things so much crystal clear of what's going on, and you can call them out in real time. I call it wearing your gladiograph glasses because once you understand the depths of depravity of these people, you can put nothing past them. So let's jump back in time to having all of those things set up, and they're operating.
• 40:21
  There's terrorist attacks domestically all over Europe for controlling those people. Well, again, I had that devastating moment when I was like, What the hell? Where's ours? So if you go back and you made the brilliant point of them being on the left and right, so on the left, you might recall the weather underground and all the domestic terrorists. And then on the right, you may recall the Cuban exiles.
• 40:51
  Those were all, and all of them, especially the Cuban exiles, I mean, there's so much documentation on them being directly changed or trained by the CIA. And then they were forward deployed wherever they wanted them. We had Cuban exiles fighting mercenary wars in Angola under Reagan. We had them in Nicaragua under Reagan. We had them in El Salvador setting up death squads, killing people, which gave the birth to MS-thirteen.
• 41:21
  And we had them in Colombia, and what did that buy us? Oh, the crystal triangle of Peru, Bolivia, and Colombia. So let's take that for just a second. If you go back, this is a big undertaking post World War II. How did they fund all of this?
• 41:42
  Yeah, we got some weapons as surplus after World War II. The Marshall Fund had a covert funding element, and it and the Rockefeller Foundation were the initial fundings for NATO's secret army. They used part of the Marshall Plan Fund to set it up there. But as I told you, it was literally set up everywhere.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: So So real quick, the Marshall Fund, wasn't that post World War II? It was a kind of a investment strategy to rebuild the world after the war. You're primarily okay.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: So shifting theaters over to Asia. We have OSS detachments there. We're in China, we're in Vietnam, we're in Korea. And Paul Helliwell was a colonel, and he was in the OSS in China. While at the same time China was fighting to get rid of the Japanese out of China, they were fighting a civil war with Mao, And we obviously know they lost that war.
• 42:47
  When one of the warlords in the Southeast Southwest area by the name of Chiang Kai shek
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: For the Taiwan, right?
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Let's get to that. Chiang Kai shek, one of his, he had Tidwell over there, but also Paul Helliwell. Paul Helliwell is like looking around going, dude, you're funding this war with selling opium. What a great idea. You can buy a crap ton of weapons with cash money on the black market.
• 43:20
  Hey, Allen Dulles, you know that stay behind thing that you want to set up? How about if we fund it all covertly with drugs? Allendales goes, That's a great idea. So why don't you figure out how all that works over there? So lots of illuminaries go over there.
• 43:39
  One of them that I came across that I'm just totally fascinated with is a name you've never heard. Have you ever heard of William Polly? No, no one has. He's like this big villain behind the scene that no one has ever heard of. William Polly was presented as a multi multi millionaire.
• 43:59
  He had the Curtiss Aircraft franchise for Asia. He's one of the original funders of the flying tires. He's the original guy behind Air America. He's the guy that actually put up the money for sea supply, the ships that eventually Chiang Kai shek gets to float all of his opium around. He's a linchpin figure in that, and you will also find him as a sugar plantation owner in Cuba.
• 44:28
  You know where we send all the drugs from Asia to be processed to come into The United States? Oh, he's there too. He owns the bus line. He owns the airline. He owns the shirt, everything there.
• 44:39
  And he's this guy that just mysteriously keeps popping up everywhere. I'm like, okay, so we're over in Asia. We're taking care of Chiang Kai shek because we don't want to lose him. He's our opium guy. And he obviously loses to Mao and he gets kicked out of China.
• 44:57
  So we put him up in Burma. Well, the Burmese government allows him to operate there for a little bit of time, but there's all kinds of chaos because he's a drug lord. Set up shop, Paul Helliwell sets up shop in Thailand. And so we're going to use Thailand because we spent $35,000,000 paying off the national police and the seaports there and the airports so that nobody checks anything coming in and out of Thailand that has an American stamp on it. So that's going to be our processor.
• 45:29
  So when the Burmese government got tired of Chiang Kai shek, the CIA is looking around going, okay, where can we put them? Oh, there's this little island over here called Formosa, and we're going to go over there and we're going to set up shop there. So they did, and they just flipped the shingle and said, Okay, it's not Formosa anymore, it's Taiwan. And, oh, by the way, I didn't know this, and again, I'm just embarrassed that I didn't because I have a master's degree in strategic studies that supposedly studied the entire world. But Taiwan is not just Taiwan.
• 46:02
  Taiwan is like seven other islands, and they put the KMT army of Chiang Kai shek on every one of those islands off the coast of China, and they spent the next forty years attacking China with our money, and the CIA behind it, constantly attacking China. And so as soon as Chiang Kai shek gets set up there and all of their Formosans are going, Yeah, no, we're not okay with this. Number one, he's a Chinese general on a Chinese island, and somehow that's not China. And the Formosans are going, Yeah, we didn't elect him. We don't want him.
• 46:45
  We thought you were all about democracy. And they're like, Yeah, well, shut up. And so the KMT army killed tens of thousands of Formosans who rose up against the installation of a dictator, because the very first thing Chiang Kai shek does in Taiwan is implement martial law. And I was not aware that the whole time our media is telling us Taiwan's this wonderful democracy back in the '60s and '70s, it was living under martial law. They didn't undo the martial law until in the '80s sometime.
• 47:23
  So from post World War II until the '80s oh, and by the way, after they did that, and so now we don't have a controlled dictatorship and no way of making it a critical element in our infrastructure. We mysteriously decided that's the best place out of the entire world to put microchips. So if you're Intel and you want to look for cheap labor, are you going to do it five seconds away from communist China? Not if you're a smart person, but that's not what that decision was made for. That decision was made for so that we can keep Taiwan under our control and be a pain in the butt to China forever.
• 48:11
  It's an ongoing strategy of tension. And so now we've got the opium set up, and we're trafficking opium out of Laos, Vietnam, because we put the French back in there, we didn't give them their freedom either. And we were never about freedom in any of these situations. It's never about democracy. So we make Vietnam basically a French colony again after the whole big freedom movement, and France is taking their opium and sending it to the Corsican Mafia in Marseille to refine it.
• 48:52
  The American Mafia, San Trafficano and all of them, land ski the entire Mafia, make several trips over to the Vietnam area, Thailand, and Taiwan, so their shipments are going to Sicily. Now, Sicily's mafia, their labs are not number four grade heroin level. They're kind of like the next layer down. So in the 1970s, Nixon's war on drugs was basically the war on killing three fifty Corsican Mafia guys and moving their opium supply, caroin supply, down to Sicily. So it was control of drugs, not elimination of drugs.
• 49:44
  So now all of it, and they figured out they got the refinement situated, so all of the Sicilian heroin is coming into Cuba in the 50s, right, with the Batista because we overthrew that government too and installed our puppet there. So Batista's got the mafia down there. They own everything. I just explained that with William Polly as just one example, but there's a whole bunch of William Pollys down there. I had when I got to this part in the story of the research about two and a half years ago, I had somebody when I was doing a Rumble show on it say, hey, did you ever figure out what the oranges were all about in The Godfather?
• 50:25
  And I'm like, I don't remember oranges in The Godfather. Yeah, they were in every death scene. So I, of course, I had to go back and watch The Godfather, and I'm like, oh, that guy gets killed. He falls back into this thing of oranges and, they're talking about hitting somebody and they're the only thing in the whole scene is this bowl of oranges in the middle of this very long table. And I'm like, oh crap, I didn't even recognize that.
• 50:51
  So I'm reading a book and I find out that the preferred way of shipping the refined heroin into Cuba was in plastic oranges. So I got on, I think I was still on True Social at the time, I got on True Social, I'm like, I figured out the oranges. So it's been quite a journey. So anyway, that's the reason why we wanted to keep Cuba is because we were using that as a drug processing, place.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Here's just a quick I'll do a quick search. You know? There's always theories online of why the oranges are so important in the godfather. It's interesting. Right?
• 51:30
  The oranges are the powerful symbol of death and but, you know, it's like what you say makes
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: way more do with heroin. Interesting. Yes.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: It.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: So so as you I mean, really, it's like, as you're describing all of these different elements, what I'm seeing is basically your almost like we have a whiteboard, and you're just kind of mapping out how the global syndicate operates. It's through military intelligence agencies. I'm sure it's heavily into big tech and into the, you know, Wall Street and the venture capitalists and the funding and In Q Tel and these kinds of things, but it's also drug trade, running the drug trade, which they learn from China.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: They launder their money at.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Big tech and stock market?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Well, they they money launder. Now it's more in the big banks. They set up fake banks. One of the banks that Paul Hellywell set up specifically in the Cayman Islands was called Castle Bank. You find all kinds of very interesting people at Castle Bank to include Paul Helliwell.
• 52:43
  But did you know and at the time, so these were set up like in the early 70s. BCCI, have you heard of that bank?
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Mm-mm.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International was set up by a Pakistani guy. It was registered in Luxembourg, but actually ran out of the city of London. They became within a couple of years of existence, the seventh largest bank in the entire world, and the entire thing was a CIA operation. All they did was launder drug money. Seventh largest bank in the world, they laundered drug money and weapon sales money, illicit weapon sales.
• 53:24
  Oh, and people. And they also had So that bank was set up primarily to deal with Afghanistan and Asia money. They also set up, well, primarily the Middle East, because at this point, when that was set up, it was Afghanistan, Turkey, and Northern Iran had a whole bunch of opium in it too. Then they set up Nugent Hand Bank in Australia to deal with the Asian money. So Nugent Hand was made up of a lawyer called Nugent and a Green Beret guy by the name of Hand, Major Hand.
• 54:00
  Major Hand took care of the weapons and deals, and Hand was the money guy for the drug money. And both of those banks, along with Castle Bank, was all set up by the CIA to do nothing but money launder. Now, those both BCCI got exposed in, I think, 1992. And so as it's going down the tubes and getting exposed, somebody takes out Nugent. He's found assassinated in his Mercedes car.
• 54:33
  And so the big banks basically take over. If you just do a search on money laundering of large banks like UBS, HSBC, Credit Suisse, Chase, who we know is just involved with Jeffrey Epstein, you're going to find that there's trillions of dollars in money laundering and no one ever goes to jail. They pay a fine. And the fine is like not even 1% of the money that they're found guilty of money trafficking. That's because it's controlled.
• 55:12
  The entire thing is controlled. They know there's going to be a cost of doing it and they don't care. You get Asia obviously is still in play to some extent, but that starts winding down after the Vietnam War, right, in the 70s. So where do we go? We immediately flip to Afghanistan, and we've got to get the opium going there.
• 55:38
  So we basically bait the Soviet Union in, and that's a whole story as well because there was a false flag involved there too. And by the way, we overthrew the king there too in order to get our puppet in there to get him to do what we wanted for the engagement with the Soviet Union. So now we're in Afghanistan. Opium just skyrockets there. What happens after we pull out of Afghanistan?
• 56:05
  The Taliban takes over, and the Taliban you've been taught is the really, really bad guys. Well, in 2000, do any search on any search engine and ask for the twenty years, ten years before and ten years after the year 2000 on opium production, you're going to see that in the year 2000, it basically goes away. Well, what happened? Oh, 02/2011, and we're back in Afghanistan and it skyrockets to peaks that it had never seen before. So I don't think that's a coincidence.
• 56:44
  And so after we kind of get that going back again, we move in the 80s, 70s, early 80s, down to the Crystal Triangle. So we've got the Golden Triangle, the Crescent Triangle, and now we got the Crystal Triangle down in South America. And it's primarily focused on the coca leaf creating cocaine. Now here's one of the observations just to get the whole loop in here. I had no idea until I started doing this project, the amount of chemicals that is required to make heroin and cocaine.
• 57:28
  It's tons and tons. It's a very complicated process. And as a matter of fact, if you just look in Taiwan at how many pharmaceuticals, because that's how they hide them, they're chemical or pharmaceutical labs. There's a crap ton on a tiny island of pharmaceuticals. What are they manufacturing there?
• 57:53
  So when I got to the Crystal Triangle, and I didn't even know there was a thing until about six months ago, but it's actually the name of it, you look at Columbia and you go back to the late 70s, well if it takes tons and tons of chemicals and they have no chemical production capability in anywhere in Latin America, where is that chemical coming from? Oh, The United States, the same transnational syndicate. So they're just mysteriously shipping a crap ton of the four chemicals it requires to make cocaine and no one says anything? Well, eventually somebody said something and Congress forbid them from doing it. And they knew all along, but until somebody said something, they didn't care.
• 58:43
  And then you see some joint ventures over in China of U. S. Companies in chemical companies in China. So then where did all of the chemicals start coming from? China.
• 58:58
  But DuPont, Dow, all of those chemical companies were involved in this and they knew they were involved in it. As a matter of fact, one of the DuPont direct relatives, his last name because of marriage, it was a female DuPont to a male Hitchcock. He literally is the guy that was selling all the LSD to the CIA for MK Ultra. And there's so many of these companies that are like the rubber companies, the Goodyear, Goodrich were involved in the massacinations in Vietnam. There were big rubber plantations in Africa, which is the reason why we overthrew a bunch of countries there.
• 59:46
  Rubber in Brazil, we overthrew that country in like 1963, all for these resources. So now we get to Columbia and I just spent like the last six months really focusing on that whole operation. And that's why when the recent target of this Venezuelan fishing boat, I was like, yeah, that's not a Venezuelan fishing boat. You may have put a couple of Venezuelans on a boat, but they don't make cocaine in Venezuela. They make it in Colombia.
• 1:00:25
  Depending on who you ask, the lowest number I've ever seen is eighty two percent, but I've seen as high as ninety eight percent of all cocaine in America comes from Colombia. And so I'm like, there's a Colombian in there somewhere. And so like hit number three, the Colombian government announced, hey, you took our people. And I'm like, bingo, I knew there's Colombia's in there somewhere. But Columbia is the heart.
• 1:00:54
  So as soon as that happened, I told my audience, you're going to see three things happen. There's a formal agreement with anybody that is a large producer of drugs, which Columbia is, that you will sign an agreement saying that you will work with us to eradicate drugs. I said, that will be pulled. It happened. The next thing that will happen is all foreign aid will be cut off to Columbia.
• 1:01:18
  That's happened. The next thing is gonna happen is we're gonna go in there and dismantle every freaking thing in Colombia that has anything to do with the production of cocaine. That's what I'm waiting on. Because until that happens, the entire country of no one president, even if that guy is a good guy, can take out because there's a narco elite. And their gladio program in Venezuela has 20,000 paramilitary trained to protect the drug trade.
• 1:01:54
  20,000. And you've got to take them all out. They've not ever done anything other than be a narco guard. That's all they've ever done their entire life. And The US and the CIA trained them.
• 1:02:13
  We literally bring them here to train them. We go there and train them. We train them to do exactly what they're doing.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: And so I've got a million questions, but I'm going try to narrow myself into just a couple. My big one is how do you make sense of all this in terms of America today with what's happening in our country and looking at the tension, looking at the racial tension, the Charlie Kirk assassination, the, you know, high you know, the the the stabbings of people, like the, you know, Irene, the one that was stabbed on the bus became viral. And, I mean, just it seems like from what from my perspective, what we're seeing in America is we're seeing the tension. Like if you could measure tension, you're seeing it go up and up and up and up. So how do you make sense of what's happening right now in America and what do you think comes next?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: So I would take you back to the first Trump term because we experienced much the same thing. That's my gauge of whether they're with the syndicate or they're not with the syndicate. If he was with the syndicate, none of that crap happened to Biden, none of that crap happened to Obama, none of it happened to Clinton, none of it happened to the Bushes, it happened to Trump. So they tried four soft coups against Trump. The Russiagate thing, the Ukraine phone call, blah blah blah.
• 1:03:52
  So he's not part of them. Now I view Trump's first term, with some of the people he hired, to include Bolton Bolton and, Elliott Abrams, who's a convicted Iran Contra guy. He's literally a criminal that was pardoned by Bush senior, involved in, the overthrow of Nicaragua. He, during Trump's first administration, him and Bolton were involved in trying to overthrow, Venezuela in 2019. Those two people specifically along with Mike Pompeo.
• 1:04:27
  But I view that entire operation as bringing those people into his administration because one of the things most people who've never been in the military doesn't understand, if they're on the government payroll, everything they do on their government phone and on their computer is viewable without a subpoena. You have everything. You have all of the people they talk to. You can monitor any phone line without a subpoena. They have everything.
• 1:04:56
  And I believe that's what that whole four years was about, is trying to network everything that I've just explained to you, the foreign people that are involved in it. So when he hit the ground running earlier this year, the tension exploded because that's the way they control people. And if you listen, don't get involved in it. If you listen and you watch the way the both on the right and the left, you just heard Lindsey Graham screaming like a stuck pig about killing people and he's fine with it. And you have the people on the left screaming about killing people.
• 1:05:43
  They are doing this on purpose to get your emotional temperature up so they can control you. Oh my God, please save me. I don't like all of this tension. And then you just look for the government for the people that can calm it back down. And it's not going to be the people that are going to fix it that are going to calm it down.
• 1:06:03
  The people that are gonna fix it is going to have to do things like ICE is doing right now to get those people the hell out of our country. That's not going to be emotionally satisfying for people who have been taught to watch all of these stupid reality shows that hook them emotionally and they're on this artificial emotional high on social media literally every day. So if those people are doing the things, the people that are hooked on the emotion are going to fall for it every single time. What you have to do is disengage yourself mentally and evaluate what is happening on what's best for your personal individual interest. Having illegal aliens, especially the criminal ones, but all of them, out of this country is beneficial for every single American.
• 1:07:02
  And regardless of how much pain it's going to cause, every single one of those people are bringing that pain on themselves by staying here. They are all free to leave. They get money to leave and a free ticket. If you choose not to do that, then and I think that whole thing was brilliant. You know, initially, because I'm very fiscally conservative, I was like, Why are you paying them?
• 1:07:29
  Just stick their butt on an airplane. And I'm like, No, that's brilliant. That's really brilliant because now people who are like me will go, they were willing to pay you when you're still here. You know what I mean? So it kind of softens the rhetoric around how evil Trump is by making no.
• 1:07:53
  He's literally paying them to leave. Nobody paid them to come here that we know of.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: And so do you if you look at this Gladio playbook, which is against strategy of tension, you know, driving people into the middle, and you have the increasing of tension, and it keeps building and building and building until it pops. And that pop usually is when you'll have civil war, you'll have a coup, you'll have a number of things that a false flag event that create the for the people of that country, it creates this emotional kind of trauma and shift that is they're able to use to redirect into a massive shift in society where they come in and Yeah, bring in
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: and they're the saviors.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And so do you think like, do you see that we're gonna do you predict an increasing tension here in this country? Like, these gladiator units and everything that is happening, do you think that they're gonna continue to try to dial up this tension to create that in our country?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Yes. That is their playbook. My What I'm seeing though is a lot of preempting of that. The recent takedown of that terror cell that just happened in the last forty eight hours or seventy two hours. There does seem to be a heightened level of preemptive taking down.
• 1:09:27
  And I don't know if you've paid attention because I pay attention to the monumental amount of drug busts that are happening. Literally tons coming into the Houston Port, massive amounts of drugs being intercepted. That tells me that they're out ahead of the network, that they're watching them. And I explained that to somebody the other day, they were like, you know, they're just like randomly blowing blowing up boats. And I said, No, they're not.
• 1:09:58
  I said, If you understand militarily, The Caribbean is a very big body of water. They found a tiny little boat. They didn't just find that tiny little boat, they tracked that tiny little boat from where it started until it got into international waters. That's a level of surveillance that most people have no clue about. We have the capability to see what color eyes you are from space.
• 1:10:36
  That level, although I know all about the whole digital ID and all that other crap, but in these operations, that level of surveillance, of illegality going on, for the people sitting in Colombia, who have 20 of those boats going out every 15 minutes, they're going, oh shit, how'd they get that one? And then another one, and then, oh, and then we're gonna go over the Pacific and we're gonna get those coming off the coast over there too. Oh crap, They it looks now to them like we have the entire and we just got a sub. I said, you guys buckle up because a crap ton of that's coming in by air. And when we start taking down aircraft, whether it's in the air or on the ground, there's going to be a whole lot of ruckus around that.
• 1:11:30
  A crap ton of it comes in by air. So I think that there is such a level now of awareness of the criminals that we have our eyes on you, that they're in a state of panic. And it's better they be in a state of panic than us.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. Well, we've already gone well well, not well past an hour, but we've already hit our hour mark, and I wanna be mindful of of your time. I thought there was gonna be, you know, a part two and part three to this discussion because I think that we could we could spend, you know, hours just talking about Europe post World War two. I have a feeling that you've got a But lot more to say about as we are wrapping up, I wanna make sure that I bring attention to your Twitter.
• 1:12:17
  I still call it Twitter. I don't like these x. The x is stupid. Your Twitter profile, which I'll make sure that I link in the description, which is just it's it's at, colonel towner. And, also, I wanna highlight on your Twitter profile here.
• 1:12:32
  If you click click on view more of your profile, here you have your links to your Gladio one on one, your Substack, your Rumble account, and your online store if people want to, purchase your merchandise. So I'll make sure that's linked below. And I just I wanna thank you for responding to my Twitter, you know, DM. I said, hey. You know, how about we do a show together?
• 1:12:53
  Because I saw you, and I I I'm fascinated by this stuff. But I also just wanna thank you for doing what you're doing and trying to get this information out. You're doing a good job at it. It's apparent that you're very well researched. And I guess I'll just ask you if you have any final thoughts as we're wrapping up today.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: So just a little bit, about how I do this. On X, I have a 04:00 show almost every day. I do travel quite a bit like I'm leaving tomorrow. So I won't be doing a 04:00 show for a couple of days. But generally, Monday through Friday, I have a 04:00 show.
• 1:13:28
  And we go through books. Like I said, I've read over 120 books on this. So I pick out from those books that I've read. They're all in my Rumble and we have them organized. If you go on a laptop, not your app, there's a playlist button and it drops down each book that I've done and all of the different parts of that book.
• 1:13:50
  Currently we're doing a book by Anya Parapill, I'm not going to pronounce her name correctly, that's called Corporate Coup, and it's all about Venezuela and its recent history. We will follow that book. Yeah, there they are. We will follow that book by this book here called The Mafia, the CIA, and George Bush. That's going to be our next book when we get done with Anya's book.
• 1:14:19
  And this book, The Mafia, CIA and George Bush, is all about the failings of the savings and loans. And people would go, well, what's that got to do with Gladio? It has everything to do with Gladio because, and again, I was shocked. The savings and loan debacle happened in the 1980s. What else happened in the 80s?
• 1:14:42
  Oh, Iran Contra. Oh, the crack cocaine in Southeast Los Angeles and using drugs to pay for the Contras, all laundered through the savings and loans in a very small group of people that purposely collapsed the savings and loan. It is literally with and I just explained how the mafia is in it, CIA, and the politicians in that book. And William Polly makes a guest appearance in the book. I just about fell out of my chair.
• 1:15:14
  I mean, the man is literally everywhere.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: So I encourage people I'll pull that up again. So I'll make sure, again, your links are in there. So as you mentioned, on your Rumble channel, if you go over to playlists, and this is again, not on the app, this on a then you can see all of your different playlists where you're going over different books, and you've got, you know, 11 videos on hidden towers, you've got, you know, so anyway, you have all the information there in addition to your main, you know, channel information. So, well, colonel, it's been a pleasure speaking with you. This is our first time meeting, so it's a pleasure meeting you.
• 1:15:53
  I really enjoy speaking with you and thank you. We'll definitely do this again. I really appreciate your time.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Thank you very much.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you.