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Credlin | 12 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the show. I'm James
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Speaker 2: Macpherson filling in for Peter Creedlin. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: on tonight's program. Nothing to see here, or so says
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Speaker 2: the corruption watchdog when it comes to Britney Higgins two
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Speaker 2: point four million.
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Speaker 3: Dollar Commonwealth aout.
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Speaker 2: So is this the end of it? Or will speculation linger?
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Speaker 2: Was the PM in need of some sage advice or
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Speaker 2: just a stiff drink when he sat down for a
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Speaker 2: long lunch with Dan Andrews. We know Andrews has advised
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Speaker 2: Albinezi before, so what could it be this time? Plus
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Speaker 2: Live to Los Angeles, where tensions continue to mount as
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Speaker 2: protests spread and other cities impose curfews.
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Speaker 3: And are our years.
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Speaker 2: Of neglecting defense in this country catching up with us?
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Speaker 2: The US orders a review of Orcus.
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Speaker 4: I think it's a pretty natural step for an incoming
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Speaker 4: government to take.
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Speaker 5: To what extent was there a view triggered by Labour's
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Speaker 5: failure to fund defense in this country to the level
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Speaker 5: that the US and other partners think is appropriate.
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Speaker 2: Well, Dan Andrews can't find a golf course that wants
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Speaker 2: him as a member, but he's not completely friendless the
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Speaker 2: form of Victorian Premier. It was spotted yesterday sharing a
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Speaker 2: very long lunch with the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Oh to have been a fly on that wall.
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Speaker 2: Dan Andrews famously coached Anthony Albanesi in the lead up
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Speaker 2: to the election campaign debates with Peter Dutton, so it
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Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise if Dan Andrews was now coaching the PM
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Speaker 2: over an expensive glass of wine, naturally in preparation for
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Speaker 2: his meeting with Donald Trump next week.
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Speaker 3: Now, just to be clear.
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Speaker 2: When I say Anthony Albaneze has a meeting with the
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Speaker 2: US President next week, that's purely speculation on my part.
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Speaker 2: According to reports, nothing is actually locked in at this point.
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Speaker 2: In fact, there's probably more chance of Elon Musk getting
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Speaker 2: an audience with Trump right now, which when you think
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Speaker 2: about it, is pretty astonishing. The ABC reported just last
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Speaker 2: month that our PM has agreed to meet with Jijiping
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Speaker 2: in China later this year, and yet we can't say
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Speaker 2: for sure whether our PM will personally catch up with
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Speaker 2: the leader of the Free world when they're in the
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Speaker 2: same location next week. And that should tell you everything
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Speaker 2: you need to know about where the relationship with our
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Speaker 2: closest ally is at right now. But one thing is certain,
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Speaker 2: our Prime minister would want some coaching in the event
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Speaker 2: that he gets an audience with Donald Trump, because Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump is not known for suffering fools, and on that score,
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Speaker 2: Elbaneze has reason to feel. Well, Oh, let Albaneze explain
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Speaker 2: in his own words.
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Speaker 3: We're going to deal with him.
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Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical about it.
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Speaker 3: He scares out of me, and Elbow should be scared.
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Speaker 2: The US today confirmed a review of the Orchestra Security Pact,
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Speaker 2: signed by Scott Morrison and trumpeted by the Albanze government
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Speaker 2: as the guarantee of our national defense, provided of course,
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Speaker 2: at the Chinese wait a decade or more for our
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Speaker 2: nuclear subs to be ready before they start doing communesty things.
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Speaker 2: It's less a case of ready aim fire and more
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Speaker 2: a case of the Chinese aim and then the Chinese fire,
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Speaker 2: and then maybe we'll be ready. Still, it's a plan,
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Speaker 2: which is more than you can say for the government's
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Speaker 2: housing policy. But now it seems that ORCUS is about
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Speaker 2: as certain as an Albaneze promise on electricity prices. The
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Speaker 2: Pentagon says the review of our orcus Pact is to
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Speaker 2: ensure it's in line with Trump's America First agenda. Specifically,
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Speaker 2: the Trump administration says it's trying to work out whether
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Speaker 2: the US has the capacity to build the boats it
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Speaker 2: needs while still fulfilling an order for an ally that
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Speaker 2: won't even help itself. Anthony Albenese's stubborn refusal to lift
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Speaker 2: Australia's defense spending from a measly two percent of GDP
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Speaker 2: hasn't exactly signaled that we're serious.
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Speaker 3: About our own defense.
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Speaker 2: And if we don't care about our own defense, well
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Speaker 2: why should the Americans?
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Speaker 3: But what is it?
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Speaker 2: The Bible says? Trump helps those who help them sell
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Speaker 2: something like that. Remember then, that we'd rather spend serious money,
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Speaker 2: or rather than spend serious money on defense. Our government's
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Speaker 2: attitude seems to be to hope that Jijingping doesn't cut
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Speaker 2: the NDIS when he takes over the running of the country.
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Speaker 2: Cuddle therapy will be in high demand when the CCP
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Speaker 2: take over this. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in Singapore
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Speaker 2: last month that Australia should be spending three point five
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Speaker 2: percent of GDP on defense, but Elbanezi who's not afraid
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Speaker 2: the count out to China would rather leave Australia defenseless
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Speaker 2: than be.
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Speaker 3: Seen to Kautao.
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Speaker 2: To the Trump administration, well, I think that Australia should
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Speaker 2: decide what we spend on Australia's defense, simple as that.
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Speaker 3: That's my view.
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Speaker 6: Now, if others think that that's not the case, then
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Speaker 6: it's up to them to make that case. Arbitrary figures,
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Speaker 6: you know, lead to a cul de sac, and we
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Speaker 6: want to make sure as well, single dollar that if
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Speaker 6: ED spends, results in actual assets.
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Speaker 2: When Chinese warships conducting live fire exercises off the coast
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Speaker 2: of Sydney are spotted by commercial airline pilots before our
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Speaker 2: own defense forces, I'd say you're already well and truly
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Speaker 2: in a cul de sac.
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Speaker 3: PM.
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Speaker 2: Former Ambassador to Washington Joe Hockey went on ABC Radio
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Speaker 2: today accusing the government of coasting on national defense.
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Speaker 7: If we do not care the Virginia Class submarines in
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Speaker 7: twenty thirty two, we have no options left. We have
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Speaker 7: no submarines. So this is all or nothing for Australia,
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Speaker 7: and for the sake of our national security, we need
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Speaker 7: to make sure that we can at least provide some
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Speaker 7: deterrent for potential hostile threats to our nation, and the
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Speaker 7: best way to do that is to partner with the
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Speaker 7: United States. I don't know when people say, oh, well,
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Speaker 7: we should be skeptical about joining with the United States.
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Speaker 7: The US spends more on defense than the next ten
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Speaker 7: countries combined. So if you're not going to partner with
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Speaker 7: the United States, who do you partner with? Who do
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Speaker 7: you think is going to actually be there when we
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Speaker 7: really need them, and who has the capacity to help
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Speaker 7: us to defend Australians and Australia.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Chinese would help us with defense, wouldn't they.
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Speaker 3: Oh wait a second.
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Speaker 2: Not only has the Albanezi government shown itself to be
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Speaker 2: an unreliable partner in defense when it comes to spending,
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Speaker 2: but its decision to slap sanctions onto Israeli cabinet ministers
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Speaker 2: won't help the relations with the Trump administration either. For
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Speaker 2: a government that continually boasts about how methodical and professional
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Speaker 2: it is when it comes to international diplomacy, this was
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Speaker 2: amateur hour. A week before Albanesi hopes to secure a
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Speaker 2: meeting with the US President, Penny Wong goes and jumps
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Speaker 2: all over a couple of Israeli MPs, as well as
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Speaker 2: announcing Australia's preference for a two state solution not when
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Speaker 2: there's peace, but as a way of negotiating peace. Tell
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Speaker 2: me again, and is the Aubeneze government trying to score
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Speaker 2: a fireside chat with our American ally or with Hamas,
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Speaker 2: Because it's honestly hard to tell at this point. Yesterday,
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Speaker 2: US Secretary of State Marco Rubio described the Australian government's
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Speaker 2: actions on Israel as counterproductive to peace in the Middle East. Well, indeed,
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Speaker 2: but they are also counterproductive to convincing the Americans we
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Speaker 2: should be trusted with their nuclear secrets. Today the Orchis
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Speaker 2: Pact is being reconsidered coincidence, probably, but still when the
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Speaker 2: Albenese government is seen to be more passionate about stopping
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Speaker 2: the retoric of to Israeli MPs than about freeing the
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Speaker 2: fifty five Israeli hostages still held by terrorists in Gaza,
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Speaker 2: would you blame the US for asking why are we
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Speaker 2: providing this mob with nuclear submarines. Defense Minister Richard Marles
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Speaker 2: said today he was unconcerned by the Pentagon taking a
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Speaker 2: second look at the Orchist Pact. Males must be the
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Speaker 2: coolest cucumber in the country. Honestly, does anything concern him?
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Speaker 2: He was unconcerned when the CCP had fired shots off
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Speaker 2: the East coast. He was unconcerned when the CCP sent
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Speaker 2: a surveillance vessel along the South Australian coast, and he
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Speaker 2: wasn't too concerned when the Russians touted the possibility of
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Speaker 2: establishing an air force base off the North coast. If
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Speaker 2: anything concerns the Deputy Prime Minister, I'm yet to find it.
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Speaker 2: And now he's extremely unconcerned that the Americans are reconsidering Aucust,
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Speaker 2: despite the fact that if August falls over, Plan B
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Speaker 2: would seem at this point to be using two percent
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Speaker 2: of GDP to fund Mandarin lessons. I'm joking, of course,
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Speaker 2: but seriously, what's Plan B.
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Speaker 4: It's a very natural step for the incoming administration to
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Speaker 4: take in many ways. We did the same thing when
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Speaker 4: we initiated the Defense Strategic Review, which did look at
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Speaker 4: our entire defense posture, but UCUS was a fundamentally important
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Speaker 4: component of that. So I think an incoming government having
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Speaker 4: a look at this is something that they have a
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Speaker 4: perfect right to do, and we welcome it and we'll
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Speaker 4: work with it.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but the plan seems to be to do
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Speaker 2: everything we can to upset the Trump administration while expecting
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Speaker 2: them to do everything they can to take care of us.
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Speaker 2: At this rate, Australia is going to be about as
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Speaker 2: friendless as Dan Andrews. Good thing then that, like Dan Andrews,
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Speaker 2: we've still got Anthony Albanezi. Well, let's head to camber
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Speaker 2: No now for tonight's political headlines with Sky News political
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Speaker 2: reporter cam Redden Good Evening.
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Speaker 8: The Pentagon is launching a review of Orcis, but the
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Speaker 8: Albanzi government does not believe it's a cause for concern.
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Speaker 4: We've known about the review for some time. It's a
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Speaker 4: very natural step for the incoming administration.
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Speaker 8: Orcas architect Scott Morrison calling for calm.
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Speaker 3: Incoming governments do reviews.
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Speaker 9: Kiss Darma so Kis Starmer did a review and that
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Speaker 9: resulted in the UK government being even committed to Walcas.
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Speaker 8: Ahead of a potential meeting between Anthony Albanezi and Donald
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Speaker 8: Trump at the G seven, US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseeth
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Speaker 8: sends a message it's only fair.
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Speaker 3: That our allies and partners do their part.
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Speaker 10: We can't want their security more than they do.
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Speaker 11: This is a Team Australia moment and I've always said
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Speaker 11: will support the government on Team Australia moments.
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Speaker 8: For the fourth time in seven years, Tasmanians will head
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Speaker 8: to the polls in hopes a state election will resolve
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Speaker 8: its political crisis.
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Speaker 12: It has been eleven years of liberals. They've taken Tasmania
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Speaker 12: from having no net debt to eleven billion dollars worth
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Speaker 12: of net debt.
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Speaker 13: That is all.
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Speaker 3: They have a scare campaign.
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Speaker 8: What Tasmanians want is a government that is focused on them.
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Speaker 8: The state election has been set for July nineteen Cameron
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Speaker 8: Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All right, plenty to get across.
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Speaker 2: So joining me now is media commentator Caroly Katsumbanas and
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Speaker 2: chief economist and senior Fellow at the Institute of Public
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Speaker 2: Affairs Adam Crichton.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Adam, I want to start with you and I'm going
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Speaker 2: to speak with a defense expert shortly about UCUST. But
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Speaker 2: you've just recently come back from years of reporting in
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Speaker 2: the United States.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of this review?
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Speaker 12: Well, actually, I think I was the first Australian journalist
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Speaker 12: to break the fact that the Elbridge Colby, who's going
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Speaker 12: to be leading the review in the US. I mean,
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Speaker 12: he's now a senior Pentagon official, but he told me
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Speaker 12: back in late twenty twenty two that he was very
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Speaker 12: skeptical of the benefits of the deal. So his skepticism
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Speaker 12: has been around for some time. So if I were
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Speaker 12: the government, I would be somewhat concerned. I think that
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Speaker 12: there's roughly fifty to fifty chance that the Orcust deal
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Speaker 12: will be scaled back, which of course will be extremely.
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Speaker 3: Embarrassing for the Australian government.
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Speaker 12: Not just embarrassing, but it basically means that we'll not
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Speaker 12: really have much of a defense force in a few years.
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Speaker 12: I think, you know, the problem is we've put all
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Speaker 12: of our defense eggs in this Aucust basket, and I
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Speaker 12: think that's been a huge mistake.
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Speaker 2: Just before we move on, the other question I wanted
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Speaker 2: to ask you was how much of this reconsideration is
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Speaker 2: purely to do with America considering their own interests versus
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Speaker 2: annoyance with the Albanesi government and some of its policy settings.
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Speaker 12: Well, probably some of it is some annoyance with the
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Speaker 12: alban Ezy government. I think culturally they're very different governments.
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Speaker 12: I think to say the least. I mean ones on
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Speaker 12: the right, ones on the left. But I think just
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Speaker 12: apart from that, the US submarine submarine production rate is
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Speaker 12: just way too low and the world is getting scarier
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Speaker 12: and scary all the time, whether it's in the Middle.
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Speaker 14: East or the situation with Russia.
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Speaker 12: You know, you'd think that the you know, the hardheads
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Speaker 12: at the Pentagon in DC would be you know, wanting
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Speaker 12: to keep more of their submarines and not to sell
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Speaker 12: them in the future.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, Keroly.
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Speaker 2: I want to move on to the National Anti Corruption
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Speaker 2: Commission that's found there was no corruption in Britney Higgins
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Speaker 2: two point four million dollar Commonwealth payout. I know Linda
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Speaker 2: Reynolds quickly, who lodged the complaint. She quickly expressed what
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Speaker 2: she called her bitter disappointment with that decision, questioning how
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Speaker 2: the Commonwealth and I quote, could possibly settle unsubstantiated and
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Speaker 2: statute barred claims made against me alleging egregious conduct on
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Speaker 2: my part without taking a single statement from me or speaking.
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Speaker 3: To me at all.
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Speaker 2: I think this issue is a big one for a
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Speaker 2: lot of people. Do you think this is the end
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Speaker 2: of things or do you think this is likely to
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Speaker 2: go on.
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Speaker 3: And on.
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Speaker 15: Good evening, James and Assa Adam. Unfortunately, I do think
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Speaker 15: that it will continue on. I think it's important to
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Speaker 15: realize that while the payment has been found to be
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Speaker 15: appropriate and correct, Labor did use it for a lot
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Speaker 15: of political mileage in twenty twenty one and it was
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Speaker 15: settled pretty quickly once they came to power. At the
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Speaker 15: end of the day, it was a workplace injury workplace claim.
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Speaker 15: It was Camber bureaucrats lodging against the.
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Speaker 14: Commonwealth for it.
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Speaker 15: We know that there is a separate defamation claim before
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Speaker 15: the court. But I think that what sticks in a
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Speaker 15: lot of people's minds is the comments that Linda Reynolds
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Speaker 15: has made. Senator Linda Reynolds has made in The Australian
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Speaker 15: Today that the then Attorney General, Mister Dreyfuss said threatened
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Speaker 15: that her legal fees would not be covered even if
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Speaker 15: she turned up for one day of mediation, and that
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Speaker 15: no one spoke to her, no one took any statement
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Speaker 15: from her at all. But regardless of that, you asked,
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Speaker 15: do I think it will go away? What happened to
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Speaker 15: Britney Higgins was shocking. We've done this story. We know exactly.
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Speaker 15: We've followed their life. It's great that she's been able
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Speaker 15: to move on. She's married, she's lived in France, she's
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Speaker 15: become a mum, she's now, I believe, working in a
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Speaker 15: boutique PR.
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Speaker 14: Firm as well.
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Speaker 15: But I think what happens is people do forget that
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Speaker 15: Senator Linda Reynolds and the then Chief of Staff Fiona Brown,
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Speaker 15: their lives have been destroyed as well personally, professionally and politically.
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Speaker 14: They'll never work again.
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Speaker 15: And I think that when it will, will it.
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Speaker 14: Be the end.
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Speaker 15: I don't think it will be because we talk about
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Speaker 15: mental health, we talk about the treatment of women as well.
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Speaker 15: These are just two other women that are also victims
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Speaker 15: in this whole saga. And I don't think that it
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Speaker 15: will go away. But as we know, we have to
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Speaker 15: abide by what the NACC has found and it.
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Speaker 14: Is what it is.
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Speaker 15: But there's always going to be disappointment on both sides.
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Speaker 15: And I just hope that all the parties involved can
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Speaker 15: try and move on in the future, but also that
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Speaker 15: the Australian public doesn't forget a lot of the stuff
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Speaker 15: that went on around that time and how it was
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Speaker 15: weaponized by labor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the collateral damage from that whole affair is just astounding. Today,
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor fronted cameras for the first time since losing
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Speaker 2: the leadership ballot. It was to address the Orchestra review
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Speaker 2: in his new Shadow Defense portfolio, but as you'd expect,
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Speaker 2: he did get a question about future leadership ambitions.
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Speaker 3: Have listened to what he said.
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Speaker 16: Looks like the Liberals have lost Bradfield and a few
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Speaker 16: Senators who voted won't obviously be here.
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Speaker 3: For the upcoming term.
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Speaker 16: It was a very tight vote the last time around.
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Speaker 16: With these numbers changing slightly, does that make it more
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Speaker 16: tempting to potentially consider going for the leadership sometime in
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Speaker 16: this term of government.
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Speaker 5: Look, my focus, as I said, as I'm doing this
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Speaker 5: job as defenciate.
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Speaker 3: Now. Of course, Adam.
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Speaker 2: When the ballot was cast for Lee, who won by
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Speaker 2: four votes, three of them came from outgoing senators and
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Speaker 2: one from the member who's now lost the Bradfield contest.
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Speaker 2: So do you think Angus Taylor is biding his time?
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Speaker 2: Typically when politicians say I'm focused at the job on hand,
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Speaker 2: they're thinking about the leadership, aren't they.
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Speaker 12: Yes, well, look he might be, but I mean I
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Speaker 12: think you know that question is going to be very
16:49
Speaker 12: frustrating for the Liberal Party, I think for the next
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Speaker 12: couple of years, because indeed it was a very close result.
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Speaker 12: As you point out, look, it wouldn't surprise me if
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Speaker 12: he has interests in the leadership in the future. I mean,
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Speaker 12: if you go back to two thousand and I think
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Speaker 12: the Liberal Party had had three leaders I think Brenda
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Speaker 12: Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull and an Tony Abbott in quick
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Speaker 12: succession relatively, so you know, there may be some change,
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Speaker 12: but I think far more important than the personalities at
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Speaker 12: the top, I think is the policies and the values
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Speaker 12: of the Liberal Party. That's what they need to work
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Speaker 12: out far more urgently than who leads them. And you know,
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Speaker 12: my personal view is let's just give Susan Lee a
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Speaker 12: chance to sort that out. You know, she's launched a
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Speaker 12: few reviews. Let's you know, let's get some values on
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Speaker 12: the table.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the Liberal Party, it's also been reported in
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Speaker 2: the Nine Papers that they're preparing a radical investigation into
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Speaker 2: the future of the Liberal Party, going beyond the standard
17:36
Speaker 2: practice post election review. What do you make of this, Kraally,
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Speaker 2: The Libs have already got a post election review underway.
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Speaker 2: As I said, they've announced a narrower campaign review and
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Speaker 2: now in all of party review. How many reviews does
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party need.
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Speaker 15: It's like the Days of Our Lives, the soap opera,
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Speaker 15: there's always a review going on. Look, I've got to
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Speaker 15: say to you, reviews are important, but I really think
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Speaker 15: the most important task at hand is that this new
18:03
Speaker 15: shadow cabinet get together.
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Speaker 14: They work on their portfolios.
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Speaker 15: As Adams said, they work in the direction of the
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Speaker 15: Liberal Party. I note that a few names have been
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Speaker 15: thrown around appropriate people to conduct the review, Senator James
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Speaker 15: McGrath from Queensland.
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Speaker 14: There's been Linda Reynolds, Arthurs and Adina's.
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Speaker 15: One thing I do have to say is that I
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Speaker 15: don't think that it's appropriate for a current member of
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Speaker 15: Parliament or someone who has only been out for a
18:27
Speaker 15: term to conduct a review. I think someone like the
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Speaker 15: Federal Executive Director, previous director, Brian Locknane. He's razor sharp
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Speaker 15: political strategist, He's got the runs on the board, he
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Speaker 15: knows exactly what is needed. He works quietly behind the
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Speaker 15: scenes as well. I think he would be ideal to
18:45
Speaker 15: actually be placed to conduct this review because you need
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Speaker 15: a certain amount of objectivity. And you also need to
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Speaker 15: have the guarantee that this is not going to be
18:53
Speaker 15: run through the nine newspapers or any newspapers, because we
18:58
Speaker 15: all know very sadly people are well into tension. They
19:00
Speaker 15: want to give their view as to what went wrong,
19:02
Speaker 15: and it's leaked.
19:03
Speaker 14: It's leaked all the time. This is not serving the party.
19:06
Speaker 15: This is serving media interests of being able to sell
19:08
Speaker 15: more newspapers and more shows than things. And I just
19:11
Speaker 15: think that you know, a review, do they serve a
19:15
Speaker 15: purpose in some way? The other one thing I just
19:17
Speaker 15: wanted to say is that whether you're fifteen or fifty,
19:20
Speaker 15: no one likes constructive criticism. And five weeks ago, Susan
19:24
Speaker 15: Lee and the people that were there thought that they
19:26
Speaker 15: were doing the right thing. Look at the destruction that's
19:29
Speaker 15: actually happened. Are they able to take the constructive criticism
19:33
Speaker 15: that needs to be leveled their way as well? I
19:35
Speaker 15: don't know, but my money would be on Brian Locknain.
19:37
Speaker 15: I think he is perfect to be able to do
19:39
Speaker 15: this review.
19:40
Speaker 3: Well, come on, Caroly.
19:41
Speaker 2: The breakup and makeup of the coalition was run through
19:44
Speaker 2: the newspapers and the review will probably be done likewise,
19:48
Speaker 2: if they're true to form, just really is Sadly, just
19:52
Speaker 2: before we go, Adam, I want to talk to about.
19:55
Speaker 3: The mess that is the NDIS.
19:57
Speaker 2: Another story today that despite the government banking on nine
20:00
Speaker 2: ten billion dollars in NDIS savings in the March budget,
20:03
Speaker 2: nearly nine billion dollars of that looks in serious doubt
20:06
Speaker 2: as funding talks between the federal government and the states stagnate.
20:10
Speaker 2: The state governments are supposed to take over the care
20:12
Speaker 2: of children with autism, that's the fastest growing cohort on
20:16
Speaker 2: the NDIS, but they're reluctant to do so without the
20:19
Speaker 2: federal government committing billions of dollars more to hospital funding.
20:23
Speaker 2: So it's good the federal government is at least seeing
20:26
Speaker 2: the light or do you think they are regarding the
20:28
Speaker 2: need to rein in the NDIS. But is it now
20:31
Speaker 2: the states who are the obstacle.
20:36
Speaker 12: Well, look, I think slowly they are saying the light
20:38
Speaker 12: because it's been an absolute policy and fiscal disaster. Really,
20:40
Speaker 12: they're in a situation now where I think about ten
20:43
Speaker 12: percent of young boys are actually on the NDIS. That
20:45
Speaker 12: is just remarkable for a scheme that was started up.
20:48
Speaker 12: I think that was meant for the severely disabled. You know,
20:51
Speaker 12: certainly ten percent of the country is not severely disabled.
20:54
Speaker 12: So there was a lot of rauting going on here.
20:55
Speaker 12: I mean the anecdotes I hear personally about, you know,
20:58
Speaker 12: people being being paid to play video games, you know.
21:01
Speaker 3: With their friends.
21:03
Speaker 12: But media needs to uncover more of these stories, so,
21:05
Speaker 12: you know, so the public opinion can turn against the program.
21:08
Speaker 12: I think because it has the word disability in it.
21:10
Speaker 12: You know, quite understandably, we want to know, we want
21:13
Speaker 12: to take care of the disabled, and so there's a
21:14
Speaker 12: perception that that's what it's doing. But it's not just
21:16
Speaker 12: doing that. There's also huge numbers of roughts, so we
21:19
Speaker 12: need to focus on those, and I think in a
21:21
Speaker 12: few years, at the current rate, we'll be spending more
21:23
Speaker 12: on that than on the defense forces, which is completely insane.
21:26
Speaker 12: And if we don't get it under control, there certainly
21:28
Speaker 12: won't be any tax reforms.
21:29
Speaker 14: So it really is a serious problem.
21:31
Speaker 12: Let's hope something happens.
21:32
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Carole and Adam really appreciate you joining me tonight.
21:35
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
21:37
Speaker 2: Well, let's go now to the ongoing chaos in Los Angeles,
21:40
Speaker 2: which is spreading to other cities. Across the United States
21:43
Speaker 2: joining me live from la is Forced Edition host Peter Stefanovic. Pete,
21:48
Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. I know you've stayed up late
21:50
Speaker 2: for this chat. It's pretty early there after midnight. I
21:54
Speaker 2: believe in the curfew is in effect, but I just
21:56
Speaker 2: wanted to get your perspective on how things look today.
22:00
Speaker 3: It was pretty frenetic for you today, I believe.
22:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, and followed a trend, really. I mean, things start
22:08
Speaker 1: off in low numbers when it comes to protesters, and
22:11
Speaker 1: then they gained traction in the early afternoon once people
22:15
Speaker 1: start clocking off from work, and then they come down
22:18
Speaker 1: and gather in large amounts, and then things start to
22:21
Speaker 1: kick off, particularly as you get closer to that curfew,
22:23
Speaker 1: and today was no different. It followed that trend where
22:27
Speaker 1: it started as a small protest, then there was a
22:29
Speaker 1: march through town and it just gained and gained and gained.
22:31
Speaker 1: As you know, again people clocked off and came on
22:34
Speaker 1: down and it got to the point where this was
22:36
Speaker 1: before the curfew had come into play. It was causing
22:39
Speaker 1: all kinds of traffic issues. Traffic was backed up in
22:42
Speaker 1: so many different directions and the LAPD clearly had had
22:45
Speaker 1: enough of it, and they moved in, and they moved
22:48
Speaker 1: in with force, and they moved in quickly. They were
22:51
Speaker 1: on horseback, they were using the flash bombs, they were
22:57
Speaker 1: firing off rubber bullets to disperse the crowds too, and
22:59
Speaker 1: the multiple arrests were made. Then the curfew came into place,
23:04
Speaker 1: and as far as we can tell, it's been in
23:05
Speaker 1: place for about five hours now. It's after one in
23:07
Speaker 1: the morning, and the streets here in downtown La are
23:10
Speaker 1: pretty quiet. The curfew will be lifted in about four
23:15
Speaker 1: or five hours time from now at six am local time,
23:18
Speaker 1: and then the mayor, Karen Bass is going to make
23:20
Speaker 1: a judgment tomorrow and whether or not that curfew will continue.
23:24
Speaker 1: She says it is now for the foreseeable future, but
23:26
Speaker 1: there's no closure on that, no end date on that
23:29
Speaker 1: just yet.
23:31
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi I heard her the other day talk about
23:33
Speaker 2: it's just some people expressing their exuberance, and AOC said, no,
23:37
Speaker 2: it's just a bunch of unruly teenagers. And an ABC
23:40
Speaker 2: TV host said, no, it's just a group of people
23:43
Speaker 2: having fun watching cars burn. You've seen the crowds or
23:48
Speaker 2: protesters or rioters, how would you describe them? What sort
23:52
Speaker 2: of people are causing the trouble there.
23:56
Speaker 1: There's a mixture. I have to say that there's people
23:59
Speaker 1: who are legitimate protesting here and they come down and
24:02
Speaker 1: they're waving the flags, and you know, they might be
24:05
Speaker 1: children of migrants or what have you, and they're there legitimately,
24:10
Speaker 1: But I definitely believe it gets hijacked. It gets hijacked
24:14
Speaker 1: by people, particularly young kids, who want to fight. They
24:17
Speaker 1: just want to go out and have a fight. You've
24:19
Speaker 1: got other protesters who are coming through. Black Lives Matter
24:22
Speaker 1: flags have been flown. I saw today. You've got Palestinian
24:25
Speaker 1: flags that are coming in through. So I mean, these
24:29
Speaker 1: various elements join this latest protest, if you like, in
24:34
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, to make it bigger and bigger and bigger.
24:37
Speaker 1: But you know, we're walking in that with that march
24:39
Speaker 1: today and we could see hooded youths with cans of
24:42
Speaker 1: spray painting and they were just spray painting the sides
24:45
Speaker 1: of buildings and the sides of platforms and just there
24:49
Speaker 1: to cause travel. And I saw it too where people
24:53
Speaker 1: would go up to police, go up to those front
24:55
Speaker 1: lines of police and purl all kinds of profanities in
24:58
Speaker 1: their face. As soon as PU were about to make
25:00
Speaker 1: a move, the U turn and bolt. So I think
25:03
Speaker 1: there's an element of people just wanting to have a
25:07
Speaker 1: lark to cause some trouble, say a few things and
25:10
Speaker 1: then bolt, which has nothing to do with the protest
25:13
Speaker 1: at all.
25:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Pete, thanks for updating us.
25:17
Speaker 2: We've seen a number of news crews get caught up
25:19
Speaker 2: in the violence, so stay safe and again thanks for
25:22
Speaker 2: your time tonight. Well, coming up after the break, just
25:26
Speaker 2: how concerned should we be that the US could pull
25:28
Speaker 2: the pin on the Orchest deal. Michael Schubridge will join me. Plus,
25:32
Speaker 2: it's not just in LA that people are rioting. Race
25:36
Speaker 2: riots have gotten worse in Northern Ireland overnight after an
25:39
Speaker 2: alleged sexual assault by two fourteen year old boys. I'll
25:43
Speaker 2: get the latest from Sophie Ellsworth who is in the UK.
25:50
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
25:51
Speaker 8: Well.
25:51
Speaker 2: As I said at the top of the show, the
25:52
Speaker 2: Pentagon has launched a review into the Orchest submarine deal
25:56
Speaker 2: to ensure it aligns with President Trump's America First Agenda.
26:00
Speaker 2: Defense Minister Richard Miles was asked about this earlier today,
26:03
Speaker 2: and he says he's not worried at all.
26:06
Speaker 4: We've known about the review for some time. We welcome
26:11
Speaker 4: it and we will engage with it. It's a very
26:14
Speaker 4: natural step for the incoming administration to take. I do
26:18
Speaker 4: have a sense of confidence about the way in which
26:21
Speaker 4: UCAS is playing out under the Trump administration and that
26:24
Speaker 4: we will meet the pathway that we have committed to.
26:28
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Strategic Analysis Australia Director Michael Schubridge.
26:32
Speaker 3: Michael, do you think we should be worried?
26:37
Speaker 13: Yes?
26:37
Speaker 10: I do, and I think it's disturbing to hear that
26:40
Speaker 10: from Richard Miles. I would say the government's really got
26:44
Speaker 10: to get its story straight on UCAS and the Trump administration.
26:47
Speaker 10: When Richard Miles met with the Pentagon chief Pete Hesgeth
26:51
Speaker 10: back in February and handed over a suitcase full of cash,
26:55
Speaker 10: he came out of the meeting telling us everything was
26:57
Speaker 10: on track, everything was rock solid. In fact, Donald Trump
27:01
Speaker 10: was right behind Orcus. And now he's telling us, actually
27:06
Speaker 10: an American review of AUCUS that says does it meet
27:09
Speaker 10: America first goals? And are we lifting our collective security weight?
27:15
Speaker 10: Is entirely normal and expected? You know, what's the right
27:19
Speaker 10: story here? These are different things.
27:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to work out whether if I'd put
27:24
Speaker 2: a five hundred million dollar down payment on something only
27:28
Speaker 2: for the person to review it. Whether I'd welcome the review,
27:32
Speaker 2: as Richard Milester said, the US Under Secretary of remember, yeah,
27:37
Speaker 2: go ahead.
27:38
Speaker 10: Remember that suitcase of eight hundred million Australian dollars was
27:43
Speaker 10: all hand, was handed over without a contract and without
27:46
Speaker 10: a receipt. That's no strings attached. So no wonder Pete
27:50
Speaker 10: hasgeth was smiling at the time. But it's a serious thing,
27:54
Speaker 10: this review because America first, what's that lens look like?
27:59
Speaker 10: Look at this Aucus deal. Well, however, you look at
28:02
Speaker 10: the Orcas submarine deal, it means America weakens its own
28:06
Speaker 10: submarine force to strengthen ours. They're giving us three of
28:11
Speaker 10: their own submarines from their own navy and they don't
28:14
Speaker 10: build the numbers back until twenty forty, so they take
28:17
Speaker 10: about a ten year loss in their own capability. That's
28:22
Speaker 10: the America first side.
28:24
Speaker 2: Indeed, now all of this comes as new data reveals
28:28
Speaker 2: Australia's rank fifteenth in the world when it comes to
28:30
Speaker 2: spending on defense. Our defense budget is about fifty five
28:34
Speaker 2: point seven billion dollars, which is less than half that
28:37
Speaker 2: of the UK, Saudi Arabia, Poland and of course India,
28:41
Speaker 2: and we're spending ten times less than China on defense.
28:45
Speaker 2: Do these figures just demonstrate further how urgent it is
28:49
Speaker 2: for the government to boost spending on defense, as the
28:51
Speaker 2: Trump administration have been calling for.
28:56
Speaker 10: Well, Australia shouldn't be forced by a Merria into investing
29:02
Speaker 10: enough in our own security. This is a national embarrassment.
29:05
Speaker 10: And I know the Prime Minister wants to say it's
29:08
Speaker 10: a source of sovereign pride for us to not invest
29:12
Speaker 10: enough in defense and free right on America. That's not
29:15
Speaker 10: how this review is going to see things. The other
29:18
Speaker 10: part of this review is saying, is Australia stepping up
29:22
Speaker 10: to meet its collective defense obligations? And that is partly
29:28
Speaker 10: about how much are we spending? And when the Americans
29:32
Speaker 10: look at us, telling ourselves and them we can afford
29:35
Speaker 10: the modern defense force we want plus nuclear submarines for
29:39
Speaker 10: two to two point three percent of GDP. To quote
29:43
Speaker 10: that famous Australian movie The Castle, tell them they're dreaming.
29:48
Speaker 10: You know, America can do mathematics, and they know we're
29:52
Speaker 10: kidding ourselves and them with the current level of spending.
29:56
Speaker 2: Just before I let you go, I wanted to ask
29:58
Speaker 2: you about unfolding events middle East. Donald Trump confirmed today
30:02
Speaker 2: that non essential staff and their families from US embassies
30:05
Speaker 2: and military bases in the Middle.
30:07
Speaker 3: East have been withdrawn.
30:08
Speaker 2: That's as nuclear talks with Iran breakdown. How imminent is
30:12
Speaker 2: an Israeli attack on Iran and what are the likely
30:16
Speaker 2: shock waves if and when that occurs.
30:20
Speaker 10: Well, gosh, this is something we can't know, and I
30:24
Speaker 10: think there's no way the US or Israel will say, yes,
30:29
Speaker 10: we're striking to Iran's nuclear facilities on Monday. But America
30:34
Speaker 10: withdrawing non essential personnel and families out of the Middle
30:38
Speaker 10: East is either brinksmanship to bring Iran to the negotiating
30:43
Speaker 10: table properly. I don't think that'll work. Iran is used
30:47
Speaker 10: to brinksmanship. Or it's Trump having given a green light
30:52
Speaker 10: to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to do what the Israelis
30:55
Speaker 10: want and strike the Iranian facilities. Or Trump has finally
31:00
Speaker 10: lost patience with the Iranians and feels like he's looked
31:05
Speaker 10: weak with Putin, He's looked weak on trade with Shijing Ping,
31:09
Speaker 10: He's even looked weak against the Hoodies. Maybe this is
31:13
Speaker 10: a time he wants to remind people he and America
31:17
Speaker 10: need to be taken seriously. So it could be any
31:21
Speaker 10: one of those things. But to me, a really important
31:25
Speaker 10: factor is Trump has told everyone his career long that
31:30
Speaker 10: he's someone who stops wars and doesn't start them.
31:34
Speaker 2: What's that old expression, Michael, may you be cursed to
31:37
Speaker 2: live in interesting times? I think that's our lot in
31:40
Speaker 2: life right now. I appreciate you joining me tonight. Thank
31:43
Speaker 2: you so much. Well, let's cross to the UK now,
31:46
Speaker 2: where rioters have targeted foreign families in the northern Irish
31:49
Speaker 2: town of Bali Mena. The riots broke out on Monday
31:53
Speaker 2: following the alleged sexual assault of a teenage girl. When
31:57
Speaker 2: the two fourteen year old boys charged with the assault
32:00
Speaker 2: in court, the charges were read via a Romanian interpreter.
32:04
Speaker 2: According to witnesses, masked rioters have shouted out where are
32:08
Speaker 2: the foreigners while smashing windows and setting houses on fire
32:12
Speaker 2: all around the town. Joining me now is News Corp
32:14
Speaker 2: Europe correspondent Sophie Ellsworth.
32:17
Speaker 3: Sophie, good to catch up with you.
32:19
Speaker 2: These riots were originally targeted at the local Gypsy community,
32:24
Speaker 2: but now other immigrants have been swept up in the violence.
32:27
Speaker 3: What can you tell us?
32:30
Speaker 17: Yeah, nice to chat with you, James. Look, this is
32:32
Speaker 17: very dire for Northern Ireland. These riots have been going
32:37
Speaker 17: since the beginning of the week and they have been
32:40
Speaker 17: described as racially motivated riots because of this alleged sexual
32:46
Speaker 17: assault which was understood to be by Romanian teenagers. Now
32:53
Speaker 17: it's all in court, so we don't know the full
32:56
Speaker 17: facts and circumstances of what actually took place, but it's
33:00
Speaker 17: caused absolute outrage in the community. And it was originally
33:05
Speaker 17: starting as a peaceful protest predominantly against migration as a
33:10
Speaker 17: result of this alleged sexual assault, and then it's absolutely
33:16
Speaker 17: erupted into crazy behavior over there, people throwing rocks, bricks,
33:22
Speaker 17: police being hurt, so it's really turned into a very
33:26
Speaker 17: serious situation James. And there's people in the community actually
33:31
Speaker 17: putting signs in their houses to say where they are
33:34
Speaker 17: from and know that they shouldn't be targeted. So this
33:38
Speaker 17: is a very serious time in Northern Ireland.
33:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
33:41
Speaker 2: I read those reports and just could not believe it.
33:44
Speaker 2: People hanging the union jack in their window to say
33:46
Speaker 2: please don't burn our house. For perspective, I believe the
33:51
Speaker 2: town is about thirty one thousand people and about six
33:54
Speaker 2: and a half thousand about twenty percent are Romanians, so
33:58
Speaker 2: it's a real tinderbox there, especially after that alleged sexual assault.
34:04
Speaker 3: So well, that's going on in Northern Ireland.
34:07
Speaker 2: The UK's Chancellor of the Exchequer, Rachel Reeves, has announced
34:11
Speaker 2: plans to bring an end to the costly use of
34:13
Speaker 2: asylum hotels by twenty twenty nine. According to the most
34:17
Speaker 2: recent Home Affairs Home Office figures, there's currently around thirty
34:20
Speaker 2: two thousand asylum seekers housed in UK hotels. Here's Miss
34:26
Speaker 2: Reeves speaking to GBN News about what will happen to
34:29
Speaker 2: migrants once they've been evicted.
34:32
Speaker 3: I want to deport.
34:32
Speaker 18: Anyone who hasn't got a right to be in this country,
34:35
Speaker 18: and we have increased deportation substantially since we came to
34:39
Speaker 18: office last year. That is the right thing to do.
34:42
Speaker 18: If people don't have a right to be in this country,
34:43
Speaker 18: they should be sent back home now.
34:46
Speaker 2: She claims the move will save about a billion pounds,
34:50
Speaker 2: no doubt will also help them stave off the Reform
34:54
Speaker 2: political party.
34:55
Speaker 3: But how popular will this move be, Sophy?
34:58
Speaker 2: I imagine it's going to be very oppler with some
35:00
Speaker 2: and it's going to create potentially more civil unrest with others.
35:05
Speaker 17: Well, it's very interesting, James, because the figures I've been
35:08
Speaker 17: reading are saying that the removal of this asylum seeker
35:12
Speaker 17: hotels could save one billion pounds a year, which is
35:16
Speaker 17: two billion Australian dollars. Those numbers seem eyewatering, but it's interesting.
35:21
Speaker 17: The Refugee Council here came out and made comments along
35:25
Speaker 17: the lines of the fact that refugees should not be
35:28
Speaker 17: housed in hotels and they should be put into the community,
35:33
Speaker 17: into places where they can mix with the community. But
35:37
Speaker 17: it's interesting to see that they're taking this step and
35:40
Speaker 17: saying anyone who's here that shouldn't be is out, and
35:44
Speaker 17: that is really following in the footsteps of Reform UK's
35:47
Speaker 17: leader Nigel Farage, who has led the way on this
35:51
Speaker 17: in recent months and said if he becomes Prime Minister,
35:55
Speaker 17: anyone who is in the country illegally will be deported
35:59
Speaker 17: and Labor know this is a hot topic and they
36:01
Speaker 17: have to be seen to be acting swiftly on this,
36:04
Speaker 17: and so this is what they have come out and
36:06
Speaker 17: said this week.
36:07
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating situation when you've got Nigel farage potentially
36:11
Speaker 2: leading the country from opposition. Sophie Ellsworth, always good to
36:15
Speaker 2: talk to you, Thanks for joining me. We'll stick around
36:18
Speaker 2: because after the break, the war of words over protecting
36:21
Speaker 2: women's sport has erupted between a Sky News regular and
36:25
Speaker 2: Peter fitz Simons. Plus will Donald Trump's military parade go ahead?
36:29
Speaker 2: And what of the optics given marines already and waiting
36:32
Speaker 2: in la.
36:33
Speaker 3: All of that and more up next.
36:38
Speaker 2: Well, now to the blistering war of words between social
36:42
Speaker 2: commentators former Rugby Union star, journalist and author Peter fitz
36:45
Speaker 2: Simons and broadcaster and journalist Lucy Zelik. It was an
36:49
Speaker 2: opinion piece this week from FitzSimons urging the public to
36:53
Speaker 2: ease up on the criticism of trans athletes, particularly at
36:56
Speaker 2: junior levels, which resulted in a fiery response from Lucy
37:00
Speaker 2: Zelick accusing him of pretending that biological reality doesn't matter.
37:05
Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say, Lucy Zelik joins me now, Lucy, welcome.
37:10
Speaker 2: For people who didn't see Pitter fitz Simon's article, can
37:14
Speaker 2: you just explain to me what upset you most about
37:17
Speaker 2: what he wrote?
37:19
Speaker 11: Well, first and foremost, I know that everyone is entitled
37:22
Speaker 11: to their opinion in this respective issue, James, and I
37:25
Speaker 11: know that mister Fitzsimon's has already had a very clear
37:28
Speaker 11: position on this and shown his support for the trans community.
37:32
Speaker 11: I guess from my perspective, the biggest frustration for me
37:34
Speaker 11: is why that compassion and that support never extends to
37:38
Speaker 11: the women and girls across sport, and by the way,
37:40
Speaker 11: this also exceeds the spectrum of sport. Why that compassion
37:44
Speaker 11: and understanding never extends to the women and girls who
37:46
Speaker 11: were generally genuinely affected by this. So there was that
37:50
Speaker 11: level of frustration for me that occurred, but also that
37:53
Speaker 11: you know that a lot of people are just engaging
37:56
Speaker 11: in this war of words for sport and for fun,
37:58
Speaker 11: as though we get a real kick out of being
38:00
Speaker 11: threatened and abused daily, choosing to raise our heads above
38:05
Speaker 11: the parapet and enter the conversation surrounding biological reality and
38:09
Speaker 11: the need to preserve single sex spaces for women and
38:11
Speaker 11: girls in sport in particular. So those sorts of kind
38:16
Speaker 11: of sentiments from mister Fitzimon's really irritated me. And knowing
38:20
Speaker 11: also that he's a former Wallaby and athlete himself, and
38:24
Speaker 11: that he kind of tries to glaze over the fact
38:27
Speaker 11: that biological reality does matter and that there are very
38:30
Speaker 11: clear and distinct differences in physiology and the advantages that
38:34
Speaker 11: malsa afforded through the androgenization process. I think was really
38:38
Speaker 11: disappointing to see.
38:40
Speaker 2: He accused media personalities such as yourself who campaign for
38:45
Speaker 2: fairness in women's sports, of being spreaders of hate bait?
38:51
Speaker 3: Are you a spreader of hate bait? Lucy No?
38:54
Speaker 11: And I really reject this idea, James, that by simply
38:57
Speaker 11: having this view that women and girls are entitled to
39:01
Speaker 11: single sex spaces and the female sporting category to be preserved,
39:05
Speaker 11: that we are somehow bigots and transphobes. That's not the
39:08
Speaker 11: issue here, and I think it's very frustrating that by
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Speaker 11: simply by virtue of having that stance, that you are
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Speaker 11: equated to those really nasty and awful things. I think
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Speaker 11: it's important to really highlight that both things can be
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Speaker 11: true at once. So you can have the belief that
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Speaker 11: biological reality matters and that males should be kept out
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Speaker 11: of women's sport, and you can also extend your compassion
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Speaker 11: and understanding to the trans community. I certainly personally have
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Speaker 11: no ill feelings or any specified hatred towards those in
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Speaker 11: the trans community. But by virtue of having this position,
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Speaker 11: I am perceived to have those sorts of feelings, which
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Speaker 11: is really quite hurtful. And I think it's disappointing because
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Speaker 11: what it's saying to women is that they aren't entitled
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Speaker 11: to stand up for their rights, that they aren't entitled
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Speaker 11: to have a voice on this. And I said earlier
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Speaker 11: that this is an issue that exceeds the spectrum of sport.
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Speaker 11: A lot of the people that I speak to, Jane
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Speaker 11: are women who are rape survivors, those for whom single
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Speaker 11: sex spaces are really imperative, Those for whom, if they
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Speaker 11: are in the presence of a male in these female
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Speaker 11: dedicated spaces, feel very triggered and re traumatized. I speak
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Speaker 11: to women of faith who unfortunately are no longer able
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Speaker 11: to compete in particular sporting categories because of their religious beliefs.
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Speaker 11: So these are other issues that are largely being ignored.
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Speaker 11: And I don't know about you, James, but I'm really
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Speaker 11: not comfortable with turning my head away from these women
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Speaker 11: who really rely on these spaces for their safety and
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Speaker 11: for their comfort. That just doesn't sit well with me.
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Speaker 11: And until we change the legislation in this space, I
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Speaker 11: will not be quiet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm glad you continue to speak out, Lucy,
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Speaker 2: because I know you and I know it's nothing to
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Speaker 2: do with clickbait or spreading hate. It's all about fairness
40:48
Speaker 2: and safety and more power to you. Well, coming up next,
40:52
Speaker 2: they say timing is everything in life. So what of
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Speaker 2: Trump's plans for a military parade in Washington, DC this
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Speaker 2: weekend while civil unrest spreads across the rest of the country. Plus,
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Speaker 2: the architect behind the sanctions applied against to Israeli ministers
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Speaker 2: says the Australian government has it all wrong. Our international
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Speaker 2: panel coming up in just a moment. Welcome back, Well
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Speaker 2: now to our weekly panel exploring what's making news around
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Speaker 2: the world. I'm joined by Sky News contributor Kosher Gata
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Speaker 2: and former Labour MP Michael Danby.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: For weeks, President Trump has talked up a military parade
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Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. Who doesn't love a parade. It's
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Speaker 2: meant to be held this weekend to celebrate both the
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Speaker 2: Army's birthday and his own. He says it will be
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Speaker 2: an unforgettable spectacle with tanks, fireworks and flyovers. But given
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Speaker 2: the unrest which is spreading from LA, the timing isn't great,
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Speaker 2: to say the least kosher. How likely is it, given
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Speaker 2: what's playing out domestically, that Trump might pull the pin
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Speaker 2: to avoid any.
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Speaker 13: Backlash great to be through, James, I think it is
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Speaker 13: highly unlikely that he will pull the pin, because timing
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Speaker 13: is everything, Yes, and I think he's looking at it
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Speaker 13: as the timing of the two hundred and fiftieth birthday
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Speaker 13: of the Army, as you said, supersedes That's the bigger
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Speaker 13: argument or the bigger timing that he wants to really
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Speaker 13: underline and underscore here as opposed to what's happening domestically.
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Speaker 13: He's also very pro military, and the last large scale
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Speaker 13: parade of the US military was in nineteen ninety one
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Speaker 13: after Operation Desert Storm. And while the brand of the
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Speaker 13: military has diminished and recruitment has been a challenge, he
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Speaker 13: has turned it around he in his administration, and so
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Speaker 13: I think he sees this as a very good opportunity,
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Speaker 13: together with the two hundred and fiftieth birthday, to do this,
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Speaker 13: and he understands spectacle and creating iconic media better than anybody,
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Speaker 13: So I think he will charge ahead. He won't be discouraged,
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Speaker 13: which is what happened in the first term.
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Speaker 14: He wanted to do this.
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Speaker 13: I think this time he's going to stick with it.
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Speaker 3: I hope he does.
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Speaker 2: You don't let rioters determine the program for the rest
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Speaker 2: of the country. Meanwhile, an international survey has revealed most
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Speaker 2: Australians find Trump arrogantangerous and a threat to the global economy.
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Speaker 2: The US based Pure Research Centers annual survey of Global
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Speaker 2: Attitudes actually found only voters in Sweden had stronger anti
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Speaker 2: Trump views than Australians.
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Speaker 3: Michael Danby, what do you put that down to.
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Speaker 9: It's a problem, James, it's the perception. I think the
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Speaker 9: media coverage of the Trump administration is almost entirely negative.
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Speaker 9: You get mixed views here on Sky or in the Australian,
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Speaker 9: but it's leading to a drift in public sentiments in
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Speaker 9: both countries. Most Americans don't support illegal immigration, their fifteen
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Speaker 9: million that Biden led into America and they support these deportations.
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Speaker 9: But you'd never know that if from the coverage in Australia,
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Speaker 9: and of course the anti ANDAs the Anti American Alliance
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Speaker 9: mob clapping their hands and kicking their heels. They're hoping
43:57
Speaker 9: that the strift in public perceptions will sabotage the submarine
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Speaker 9: deal between our two great countries.
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Speaker 2: Just before we move on, I want to get your thoughts, Kosher.
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Speaker 2: Are you surprised at the level of antipathy in this
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Speaker 2: country towards Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: A bit?
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Speaker 13: And I think, with all due respect to my Australian friends,
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Speaker 13: I think that Paul is reflection on Australians as much
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Speaker 13: as it is on Trump. I think, you know, as
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Speaker 13: Michael said, it's a reflection of the media coverage. And
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Speaker 13: I think it's a little bit unfortunate because as an
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Speaker 13: English speaking country, Australians have access to wide ranging media
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Speaker 13: from other sources as well. And I hope as media
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Speaker 13: continues to get more democratized and other voices and channels
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Speaker 13: get out.
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Speaker 14: There, maybe this will improve.
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Speaker 13: But Trump arrangement syndrome, as they call it, is a
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Speaker 13: strong thing, so it's hard to combat once it takes root.
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Speaker 3: It certainly is.
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Speaker 2: Australian companies with business interests in two Israeli departments have
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Speaker 2: been structed to consider seeking legal advice on whether they're
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Speaker 2: at risk of facing multi million dollar fines enforced for
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Speaker 2: breaches of sanctions against the to Israeli government ministers responsible
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Speaker 2: for those departments. Michael, I'm particularly interested in your view
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Speaker 2: on this because you, along with the late Kimberly Kitchen,
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Speaker 2: with the architect of the sanctions or the laws that
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Speaker 2: allow the sanctions that Pennywong has instituted. But you've come
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Speaker 2: out pretty strongly today saying this is not the way
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Speaker 2: those laws were designed to be used. Help me understand
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Speaker 2: what's going on here in your objection, the.
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Speaker 9: Laws were designed to give leverage to people with human
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Speaker 9: rights or corruption problems in autocracies where they don't have
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Speaker 9: the rule of law or elections like they do in
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Speaker 9: Israel or France, or Canada or even Indonesia. So this
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Speaker 9: is a misuse and an interference in in other countries's elections.
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Speaker 9: Loudmouth like Smotrich and Ben Giverer should be dealt with
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Speaker 9: by Israelis in the Israeli courts, in the Knesset, and
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Speaker 9: in the forthcoming elections where I suspect their support is
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Speaker 9: going to diminish. But you just have to strapolated James
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Speaker 9: to Indonesia or France. Imagine missus lapenas elected and we
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Speaker 9: put a travel ban on her because of her critical
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Speaker 9: views on immigration, or we don't like some of the
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Speaker 9: human rights abuses in Indonesia, so we put a ban
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Speaker 9: on probo. No, this is not the way it was
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Speaker 9: meant to be done, and Kimber's view was that it
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Speaker 9: should be done to affect autocracies where people don't have
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Speaker 9: the same rights that we do have here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: I want to go back to the US for a moment.
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Speaker 2: We witnessed the bromance between Elon Musk and the President
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Speaker 2: implode last week, with both men having a crack at
46:40
Speaker 2: each other publicly. But now Musk has backtracked, saying he
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Speaker 2: went too far with some of his tweets Kosher. The
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Speaker 2: real story here, though, that I want to hear about
46:50
Speaker 2: is the role of the Vice President JD. Vance, who
46:53
Speaker 2: reportedly played a pivotal role in Broker in Peace. He's
46:57
Speaker 2: positioned himself as both an attack dog for White House
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Speaker 2: but also a bit of a problem solver. How influential
47:04
Speaker 2: is Vance shaping up to be not just as Trump's
47:07
Speaker 2: running mate, but potentially as his ideological.
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Speaker 13: Air it All reports seemed to be that he is
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Speaker 13: the rising star and the party certainly the ideological air
47:19
Speaker 13: in terms of MAGA and populism. His roots are deep
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Speaker 13: from there. Everybody knows his story where he's come out
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Speaker 13: of the working class of Appalachia and had an amazing
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Speaker 13: personal story, so his bona fides are strong there. He
47:31
Speaker 13: also has ties to Silicon Valley. He worked there for
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Speaker 13: a little bit. He can do the tech speak with
47:36
Speaker 13: the tech right as well as other constituencies. That said,
47:39
Speaker 13: as we all know, even a week as a lifetime
47:41
Speaker 13: in politics, let alone three plus years. So the Republican
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Speaker 13: bench is deep. He will face other challengers in the primary,
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Speaker 13: I'm sure, but at this point in time his stock
47:49
Speaker 13: is certainly rising.
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Speaker 3: All right, I want to.
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Speaker 2: Finish with some sad news the death of Beach Boys
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Speaker 2: frontman Brian Wilson. He led arguably one of the greatest
47:57
Speaker 2: bands in the world, certainly was known for creating one
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Speaker 2: of the best albums ever with Pet Sounds. He's a
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Speaker 2: little taste of my favorite Beach Boys tune. All right,
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Speaker 2: we got thirty seconds to get your favorite Beach Boys song, Michael,
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Speaker 2: I'll start with you.
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Speaker 3: What is it?
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Speaker 9: Surfing Usa and Barbaren They're the two I can still
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Speaker 9: sing Barbaran. I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: Please don't please don't Michael Kosher very quickly.
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Speaker 3: What's your favorite.
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Speaker 14: Surf? And the USA?
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Speaker 13: Michael took the words out of my mouth.
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Speaker 3: We're aligned, very good Kosher Michael.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me tonight and thank you for
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Speaker 2: your company tonight. Peter Creedlin will be back next week,
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Speaker 2: but right now he's Andrew Bolt with the Bolt Report.