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Robert Pickton – Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Recording the hood.
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  Speaker 2: Conial mature audience listener, just question, is that much?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, how's it going.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 3: awesome episode today. Are we are? We are?
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  Speaker 1: We?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah we are. It's very much sort of requested episode.
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  Speaker 3: It is. But before we get into that, we have
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  Speaker 3: other things to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we knew. We had breakfast for dinner tonight and
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  Speaker 3: Awesome, bacon, eggs, hash browns, toast, what else, strawberries, strawberries, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, welcome home, Ben.
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  Speaker 3: It was actually great. The smoke alarm was good. Joke.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, dinner's done, but yet. No, it
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  Speaker 3: was just because K and cook and bacon for breakfast,
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  Speaker 3: and bacon can get smoky in a tiny space, that
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  Speaker 3: smoke alarm goes nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought. And it doesn't even seem like it's
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  Speaker 1: smoky in here, but it's like it just goes off.
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  Speaker 1: So it just I don't know. Anyway, anyway, there anyway
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  Speaker 1: things to happen that wasn't that bad.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: It was a delicious dinner.
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  Speaker 3: It was delicious. What else were we going to talk about? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: we got to talk about this. This is very important.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you're a bit delayed there, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, throwing everyone for a loop?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: We had some awesome comments, So thank you so much
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  Speaker 3: for viewing us, giving us those five stars, giving us
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  Speaker 2: You guys, we super appreciate it. We're so lucky to
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  Speaker 2: have supporters like you. Seriously, yes, we're very, very, very lucky.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel very lucky that I decided to pick
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  Speaker 2: this case or not pick it. I had on my
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  Speaker 2: list forever, and I'm like, I want to do it,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm like, well, so daunting.
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  Speaker 3: Since day one, we've had this on our list, and
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  Speaker 3: since day one we've had people requesting this. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 3: is probably our most requested case. So what case is that?
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  Speaker 1: So, well, it's the case of Robert Picton. Yes it
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  Speaker 1: is mister Robert Picton.
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  Speaker 3: This one's a little bit close to home for us. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: mind you, he's a little bit of a distance away.
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  Speaker 3: He's probably nine hours, which I think we're.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about that in my notes. Dude, you're jumping ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, may I go ahead? I think he's about eight
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  Speaker 3: hundred kilometers away from us where he was, but us
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  Speaker 3: being in a small northern town, like the distance doesn't
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  Speaker 3: matter because it's just like the next big city sort of,
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  Speaker 3: so it might as well be just next door.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like, so this was very much so in
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  Speaker 1: the news for us. I mean it probably was maybe worldwide,
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  Speaker 1: but like very much so. I remember living through this
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing right coming out of news and all
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  Speaker 1: I'm just being like, wow, just flabbergasted. Really Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very light way of putting it. This
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  Speaker 3: man is trash.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he's nasty.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, nasty picked it and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be very kind. This is going to
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  Speaker 1: be like a two parter. So I'm being very kind
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  Speaker 1: because you guys will probably be all at me where
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  Speaker 1: I end. So if you want to save it until
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  Speaker 1: you can watch or list watch, listen to both of
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  Speaker 1: them at the same time. Fly at her.
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  Speaker 3: But and it's going to be worth listening to both, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, because yeah, well the second one is just going
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  Speaker 1: to be better. Yeah, there's a lot of shit we
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  Speaker 1: have to go through before it gets a bit more interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could say, yeah, a bit more shitty.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Shitty the things that he did, but yeah, can I
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  Speaker 3: know what you mean by yeah? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's dive in here. Heh, you ready to
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  Speaker 1: rock and roll?
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  Speaker 3: I got a drink? I'm ready?
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  Speaker 1: I got waa. Okay. So I'm going to start this
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  Speaker 1: case off by sharing the very broad but sad truth
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  Speaker 1: about it, and that is that between nineteen seventy eight
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  Speaker 1: and two thousand and one, at least sixty five women
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  Speaker 1: disappeared from Vancouver's downtown east Side, and in all honesty,
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  Speaker 1: that number is probably low because some woman may never
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  Speaker 1: have been reported is missing at all?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent correct.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So for all of those who you haven't heard of,
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  Speaker 1: Vancouver's downtown east Side. I'll share with you it is
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately a very sad picture to paint. The City of
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  Speaker 1: Vancouver's website describes it as being an area in recent
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  Speaker 1: years that has struggled with many complex challenges including drug use, crime, homelessness,
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  Speaker 1: housing issues, unemployment, and loss of businesses in the community,
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  Speaker 1: which is a very polite way of saying, you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to find yourself in this area.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: It was in the nineteen eighties that the area began
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  Speaker 1: to rapidly decline for many reasons. There was an increase
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  Speaker 1: of hard drug use policies, aka the government basically pushed
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  Speaker 1: sex workers and drug related activity out of nearby areas
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  Speaker 1: areas into a centralized area. And I don't think that's
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  Speaker 1: like was a Vancouver thing. I think that's happened other Oh, definitely,
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  Speaker 1: lots of places and the lack of the lack or
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  Speaker 1: end I should say, of funding for social housing. It
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  Speaker 1: is essentially an eight block long and six block deep
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  Speaker 1: hell on earth. Drug addiction, overdoses, poverty, people living on
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  Speaker 1: the street, sex work, disease, mental illness. It's dirty, it's unsafe.
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  Speaker 1: It was described in many articles I read that if
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  Speaker 1: you end up here, you've hit rock bottom. And it's
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  Speaker 1: the sad, sad truth about the area.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And to sum it all up, it's essentially like,
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  Speaker 3: if you end up there, it's society has abandoned you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, okay, there are resources down there though,
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  Speaker 1: and I think there are still people down there trying
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  Speaker 1: to help. Like I'm just going to say that, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like like you really, Ah, it's so sad and it
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  Speaker 1: sucks you even you try to get out, it sucks
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  Speaker 1: you back in often.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's very, very true.
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  Speaker 1: So, and I've actually driven through. I remember driving through
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  Speaker 1: that area as a kid and just being like whoa,
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  Speaker 1: it was just like a different world.
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  Speaker 3: I went through that area just a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 3: ago when I was in Vancouver.
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  Speaker 1: Oh did you have to walk through that area?
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  Speaker 3: No? I didn't walk through it. I was in a
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  Speaker 3: cap and.
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  Speaker 1: We drove through there, Oh did you Heyah, Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: quite close to Gastown, isn't it, which is where we
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  Speaker 1: love in Vancouver.
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  Speaker 3: Gas Town is gorgeous. Some cool stuff down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think when we went to the Police
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  Speaker 1: Museum that they had there, it was like pretty darn close.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it was there were some crazy things in
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  Speaker 3: that police museum.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, it is. It was a cool place to
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  Speaker 1: check out.
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  Speaker 3: I remember one thing particularly in that police museum. There
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  Speaker 3: was those cabinets of like confiscated weapons, some of the stuff,
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  Speaker 3: like there was literal shurricans, like ninja Shurricans throwing stars.
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  Speaker 3: But there was a whip made of chainsaw chains. Oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, do you remember.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I was more interested in the
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  Speaker 1: morgue part, which is really I'm not sure what that
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  Speaker 1: sounds about me.
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  Speaker 3: There was like baseball bats with of course barbed wire,
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  Speaker 3: and like a lot of things, but that whip made
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  Speaker 3: of chainsaw chains was messed up.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the brain, the slice of the brain. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those are the things that stand out. So anyway, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like literally just quite gut wrenching is a way
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  Speaker 1: to describe it. The community has a low trust of
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  Speaker 1: the police. This case maybe an example of why. But
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  Speaker 1: I've also read that the residents of vancouver Downtown east
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  Speaker 1: Side experienced Canada's highest rate of death from encounters with police.
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  Speaker 1: So that's scary as hell.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, really I didn't know that. Yeah, that's sad.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I didn't really look into that further, but
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  Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit. So, like I said, it's
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  Speaker 1: a really sad picture to paint, but unfortunate. It's the
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  Speaker 1: reality of the situation, a situation that Robert Picton very
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  Speaker 1: much so took advantage of.
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  Speaker 3: Took advantage of, and was probably very much so a
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  Speaker 3: part in creating or at least.
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  Speaker 1: Well definitely wasn't helping.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, he was a part of it, and he
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  Speaker 3: might have been a part of its birth.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would say his birth.
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  Speaker 3: Well, at birth in this century.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely was put unncessary fear into people that were
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  Speaker 1: already fear stricken.
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  Speaker 3: You could say that, Yeah, well, I guess maybe not
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  Speaker 3: it's birth, but he helped perpetuate it. He could have
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  Speaker 3: made it worse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean well, yeah, anytime you actually read anything
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  Speaker 1: about down Vancouver downtown east Side, he's mentioned. So he's
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  Speaker 1: very much associated with it. Okay, So Robin was Robin?
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  Speaker 1: Who the fuck is Robin?
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to my sister. Robin.
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  Speaker 1: Robert was born on October twenty fourth, nineteen forty nine.
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  Speaker 1: His full name Robert William Pickton. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: call him Willy and You'll listen to a lot of
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  Speaker 1: podcasts or they say Willy, but I'm not saying Willy.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't want to say Lilly. This whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: He's Robert Picton, Robert.
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  Speaker 1: We're calling him Robert.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck you, Robert, fuck you, and your name Willy.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's nasty. His parents were d and Louise Picton.
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  Speaker 1: Robert was the middle child with an older sister and
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  Speaker 1: a younger brother. The family were pig farmers, operating their
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  Speaker 1: pig farm out of Port Coquitlam, which is about twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven kilometers east of Vancouver and, like we had mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: about nine hours drive away from US.
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  Speaker 3: Can I give you a pat on your back for something?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely okay?
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  Speaker 3: You listen to like ninety nine percent of podcasts out
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  Speaker 3: there talking about Robert Picton. None of them or n
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  Speaker 3: of them don't know how to say Coquitlam.
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  Speaker 1: No, but I know how to say it.
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  Speaker 3: We get shit for our bad pronunciation. We can say.
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  Speaker 1: Coquitlam, we can say Port Coquitlam, we.
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  Speaker 3: Can so fuck yeah. We got one up on all
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  Speaker 3: those for that. I know.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually funny. There was a few people that
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  Speaker 1: are like, I don't know to say these Canadian cities.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah we got it, and then yeah we do get
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  Speaker 1: people get we get a hard time sometimes. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's a hard city to say, but I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to say it.
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  Speaker 3: You do, and you did well, So good job, patt
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  Speaker 3: in your back. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like my comminance is just exploding out of me.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect. That's what we want. High five, high five, high five. Bohm, okay,
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  Speaker 3: keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So Robert's upbringing wasn't exactly great. His mother, Louise,
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  Speaker 1: was an interesting character to say the least, asides from
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  Speaker 1: her looks of rotting teeth, lost hair, and a go tea.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently she had a go tea. I know, right, I
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  Speaker 1: can feel her pain. Though I got some serious hairs
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  Speaker 1: on my chin. Sometimes on the chin. I need to
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  Speaker 1: like get that dealt with that. It just happens as
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  Speaker 1: you get older.
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  Speaker 3: It does.
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  Speaker 1: It's so I don't I don't. I feel bad for her. Really,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not shaming her.
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  Speaker 3: With that, but I'm sure it didn't add to her well.
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  Speaker 1: She could have. She could have maintained her go tea.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just say that.
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  Speaker 3: I maintain, so do I. Facial hair maintenance is important.
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  Speaker 1: She had a high pitched voice. Also don't shamber for that,
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  Speaker 1: but it was often heard calling for her children across
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  Speaker 1: the neighborhood. I suppose you could say she dressed in
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  Speaker 1: a house dress over jeans and rubber boots, which is
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  Speaker 1: quite the visual. Both her and Leonard did not care
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  Speaker 1: about their parents or their hygiene, and that was passed
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  Speaker 1: down to their children. One interesting, yet disgusting fact is
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  Speaker 1: that the farm animals had the run of the farm,
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  Speaker 1: including the house their house. Yeah, which is so beyond fucked.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I do know a lot about this case.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we both do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, generally we're presenting to each other and we
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  Speaker 3: don't know the case. But yeah, I know a lot
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  Speaker 3: of this, and that's.
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll probably know the majority of it, to
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  Speaker 1: be honest, I don't even know if there'll be much
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  Speaker 1: in here that will shock you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I've researched this before, but it's been a while.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, the one that really stuck with me is, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the animals get the run of the house.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, they're tracking in dirt, manure, and they're relieving
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  Speaker 1: themselves in the house. Yeah, because animals don't give a
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  Speaker 1: fuck where they go. They got to go, they go.
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  Speaker 3: Which is understandable. Think you have a dog that's got
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: to go, it's got to go, and it doesn't get
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: outside fast enough. It's going to go in the house.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: But you clean it up.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you usher the dog outside, let it have its space,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: and you clean up afterwards, not just belying oh there's
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: a pile of shit on.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: The floor, Oh well yeah, which she had that attitude.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, the smell didn't affect her. Oh well, yeap,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Like okay, that that.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Is just beyond The family is effectively farm animals themselves.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pretty much living in like a barn in
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: a sense really like because I mean, hey would have
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: been get brought in like a lot of shit would
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: just get her all in there.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: So the poor children, especially the boys, had high expectations
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: of working on the farm and would often be going
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: to school dirty and I'm sure you could imagine not
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: smelling all that pleasant. They only received weekly bass if
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: they were lucky, which was not enough to remove the
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: dirt and the odor and just at all so gross.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I need me like frequent showers.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's just so sad. Oh, because I
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: didn't even put it in here, but like Robert had
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a fear basically of like showering. Yeah, like what the heck?
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: And that's because of his upbringing. Yeah, because of his
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: parents and what they did to him.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like his childhood wasn't great.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: No, the So this is not just Robert Picton, this
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: is his family.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, but it is more so and I'd probably say
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: this in later, but it is more so the brothers,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the sisters. Seemed like she was treated a bit differently,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: and she'd been interviewed at times too, and didn't often
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I kind of said that with an accent, didn't often
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: describe is like the situations is that terrible? And then
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I do think when she was in high school she
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: went and lived with relatives and Vancouver and stuff, so
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: she she really like wanted to be away from this
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: whole situation. I think she handib she was a lot different.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: So this obviously caused them to be called names by
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: their fellow classmates like Piggy or stinky piggy, and school
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: is rough. If you're in any way different, it does
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: not go unnoticed.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I would imagine the bullying had to be pretty bad.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Towards them, no kidding, I got bullied just from my
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: name because that like muscle cream, the ointment Ben Gay.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Of course kids latched to that. My name's Ben.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Oh geez, did you not know that I literally went
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: to high school? I think I did, but like I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: forgot because it's just so silly. Yeah, I know, right,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know everything. That just is people bullying. It's silly.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, high school is brutal.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, they got. I'm sure it wasn't great for them.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Robert had some sad stories to share from his childhood.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: At age three, he crashed his father's truck. He was
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: sitting in it when it started to roll. His father
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: was yelling at him to stop, but he was three
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: year old, three years old and would have no idea
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: how to do that, and inevitably he and the truck
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: crashed into a tree. Afterwards, he received a beating from
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: his father. That's honestly the father's fault.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, I can't. I can't imagine an adult blaming a
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: three year old for a piece of equipment like that
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: rolling into a week.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: He fucked up, The dad fucked up.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, even if picked in as a kid took off
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: the e break.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Or did take he wouldn't have done it intentionally exactly.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: He doesn't know what he's doing. He's a kid. You
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have left him in there.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, at the age of four, Robert was forced
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: to smoke a cigar by his mother after being caught
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: smoking a cigarette. This was her idea to cure him
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of ever wanting to smoke again.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not that I agree with it, but that was
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: a popular practice back in the day.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Oh was it? Actually, I've never heard of that.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: On TV shows. Lots you heard that, like that seventy
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: show or whatever, like, Oh, you catch your kids smoking
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: a cigarette, They're going to sit down and make you
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: smoke the whole pack.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Oh my go.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: The idea was that you're going to smoke again, get sick.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: They're going to get sick and be deterred from it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Not that I agree with it. That's basically abuse.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: But I mean it did work for him.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the theory is there, which.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay. But the worst of all might have
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: been When Robert was twelve years old, he saved up
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: thirty five dollars to buy a three week old calf.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, with the intention that he would keep the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: calf for the rest of his life. He treated the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: calf as his companion, taking care of it and enjoying
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: spending time with it, until one day he came home
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and his calf was nowhere to be found. After searching
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and searching, he was told to check the barn, where
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you guessed it, he found his caf hanging
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: upside down butchered.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: So brutal.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: This just devastated him. He would he wouldn't talk to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: anyone for four days, and I like, I honestly don't
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: even blame him. That shit at twelve years old would
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: impact your life in my opinion, Like, that is like brutal.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that is the moment that directed picked
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: and down this path to be a serial killer, because
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: at that moment, I'm sure he lost all compassion.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I just oh, it almost makes me want
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to bawl my face off because that is just so sad.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I imagine that was the literally the only thing
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: he loved that he had, Yeah, and then it was
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: just taken away and then he was just left.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And then they thought too and they were like, oh
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: what are you like, have some up because like they
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: were eating it. Yeah, and this will make you feel better,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and the moment offered to like rebuy him a calf
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and another calf and stuff, because like they didn't realize
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it would devastate him to this much, this extent, I guess,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: But no, that was like his calf. It wasn't like replaceable.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like oh, which I mean, that's that's farm culture
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: for you. Because to the parents it wasn't a pet.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: It was but they should have known that how important
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it was to their son.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know that. But yeah, to the parents
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: it was not a pet. It was food. Yeah, but
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: two pickt in it was a pet. There is a
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: very those are very two different lines for for general
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: society and farmers. Yeah. So his parents didn't realize it
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: was a pet, which I mean, that's their fault for
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: not knowing they should have that connection with their kid
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to fucking know that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well yeah, and the fact that he
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: bought it with his own money and stuff, right, he
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: saved up for this exactly, Like that is it just
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: destroys me. Actually, it's so sad.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Oh and the pict Ins were rather well off too,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: so it could just go buy some fucking food.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, per se, if the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: parents necessarily were super well off anything, they wouldn't have struggled.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Now any the kids became well off, and we'll talk
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Ye.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So at the age of fourteen, grade eight, Robert would
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: drop out of school in nineteen sixty three. He had
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a tough time in school. Along with the bullying, Robert
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: was a quiet boy and was considered slow. He dropped
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: out of school or him dropping out of school didn't
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: bother his mother, Louise. It just meant more help around
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the farm. She also wanted him to learn how to butcher,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: so after leaving school, he would start an apprenticeship with
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a butcher in nineteen seventy. He would leave that to
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: work full time at the family farm, being around twenty one.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: One other noteworthy thing to mention from Robert's childhood, Oh God,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: involves his brother Do you know where I'm going?
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I know where you're going.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: When David was sixteen years old and new to driving,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: as he was driving home in the family truck, he
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: would strike a neighborhood cas Timothy Barrett. I think it's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Barrett from behind, who was walking home from a friend's house.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Tim was a grade nine student and had only lived
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood for a year, moving there from Winnipeg. David,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: instead of being a decent fucking human being, I don't
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: have that in my notes, instead of stopping to see
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: if Tim was still alive, he panicked and he raced
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: home to tell his parents.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: What happened next is so appalling and maybe a glimpse
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: into why Robert thought nothing of taking a human life.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: David was told to take the family truck he was
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: driving to the shop right away to get the damage done,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: repaired and essentially covered up yep, while Louise herself went
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to search the road where the accident happened. Shortly later,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: she came across Tim's body. She looked him over, but
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: without hesitation, then proceeded to haul Tim's body ten feet
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to the edge of a slough and rolled his body
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: into it. Before heading home.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: She literally chucked him in the fucking ditch.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Like I just can't I just can't even believe this.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And just wait, because it gets worse. Tim's dad had
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: phoned the friend's house the night of the accident in
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: search of his son, but they hadn't seen him since
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the early evening. Apparently the buddy's house that he went to,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: like was busy so that he couldn't he couldn't play,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: which they're probably like, oh my gosh, I wish like
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: he wasn't busy, Like there's that just happens with so
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: many things. Apparently, also Tim was he wasn't walking like
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: facing traffic like you're supposed to do. So if he was,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: he'd been on like the other side of the road, Like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it's just shit.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Hindsight's twenty twenty though.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can always change something exactly, Okay. So the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: police were informed, but there was no news until the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: early morning when tim dad and the friend's dad went
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: out to search the road. As they searched, Tim's dad
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: came across his son's shoe on the side of the road,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and then he spotted Tim, as you can imagine, practically
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: collapsing from devastation. Wow, it didn't take a rocket science
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to have the incident lead back to the Pictons, being
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that the mechanic who had worked on the truck the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: night before heard the story on the radio and called
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the police. Tim's death was deemed an accidental death, with
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: David being charged in juvenile court for failing to remain
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: on a scene of an incident. He was convicted and
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: placed on indefinite probation, with his driver's license suspended until
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: he was twenty one. Louise's role was only a thing
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: of neighborhood rumor because she got away scott free, with
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the real kicker being Tim's cause of death was from drowning.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Yeap.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: The injuries he suffered from being hit would have badly
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: injured him, but it was determined they most likely would
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: not have killed him.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: So he wasn't dead when she fucking ran in the ditch.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And if either one of them would have just like
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: called an ambulance, he would have lived yep, which is
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: just holy, oh my gosh, it actually like makes me
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: rage inside.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, through and through. It just shows what kind of
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: fucking people these are.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: These people are just unbelievably disgusting human beings.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: If we haven't showed enough already, like clearly they're fucked.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Like I can't, I honestly can't believe. Like he was
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a little boy, well, I mean he was a teenager,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: but that's like for the span of your life. That's
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: a young boy, Like he had his whole life ahead
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: of him, and they just fucked it over.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: And could you imagine looking at a unconscious, clearly young
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: boy in the middle of the road, even if he
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: thought he was dead or not, and just rolling him
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: into the ditch.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I think that she would have known that he was alive. Probably,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I actually, in like, I just think that she would
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: have known, probably because moving him and rolling him. I
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: think that you would have.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Been able to tell, I would assume. So there probably
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: would have been some moaning, some breathing, some gasping something.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's just devastating, Okay, I have to move on,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: like that's just rough to move on from. Robert's father
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: would pass away in nineteen seventy eight of cancer, dying
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: at the age of eighty one. The following year, cancer
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: would strike again, this time killing Louise at the age
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: of sixty seven, so there was like a pretty big
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: age difference between the two of them. Robert was the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: mom's full time caregiver, so she like or he took
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: every bit of need that she had while she was dying,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: which probably for that is pretty awesome. I didn't mention
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: this earlier, but Robert's father was super involved in raising
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the children and their rumors. He was abusive to Robert,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: but Robert's sister didn't describe him this way. Robert was, however,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: very close with his mother, a mama's boy. They were
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: two peas in a pod. So there was a bit
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: of a shock when it came to the reading of
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the will. So Louise's will that she left behind everything
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: was left to the children, but with Robert's inheritance, he
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: got a twenty thousand dollars lump some payment, but he
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get the remaining unless he stayed working on the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: farm until he was forty years old.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Wow, I don't think I knew that part.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And he would have only been about thirty years when
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: his mother passed away, Like holy shit, Wow, I'm assuming
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that this was her way of making sure the farm
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: was taken care of and the other two children didn't
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: really have the same interest in the farm that Robert did.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: But then for the fact that he like he changed
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: her diapers and everything, like he did like everything for her,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and this made him completely disappointed and feel stuck.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right, but look at it
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: as clearly he's the more competent one of the children
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: because he is looking after and everything. So who better
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: to make look after the farm.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would say he's the most competent, well.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean in showing his mother he
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: was the competent one.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I guess. Well, and then he I think like he
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: ended up getting that twenty thousand I think was like
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: an extra twenty thousand, if I can remember correctly, and
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: then he get like what his siblings got when he
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: was forty, so like technically he was getting more money.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: There was something too that I had read. If the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: dad had died first, it was like completely oh my
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: myke heeps exciting. It was like having some uh, I'm
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: having some issues here.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: It's some mic dysfunction.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: It's just dropping so weird.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, it doesn't usually happen like that. It usually stands
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: straight up and performs really well.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, So if the dad had died first, I hope
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I'm remembering this correctly. It was basically that the sister
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I think, only got like twenty thousand and the rest
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: was split between the brothers. So like the dad was
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: like leaving like nothing to the sister.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Really, yeah, gotcha, that's interesting. Yeah, that's I wonder why.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, so I mean, I think it was
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: just that she wanted the farm looked after, and he
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: was the only one that had an interest in it,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: is my assumption, gotcha. So the years after the passing
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: of the parents, Robert and his siblings, his sister being
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a realtor, sold much of the farm for urban urban development,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: making millions. So I think they sold three different chunks
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of land, and so they earned five point two five
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: point two three million, Like that is a lot of money.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, they probably would have got like ten times that today.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, But I mean that wouldn't have done
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: anything for Robert.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: No.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, actually know, they wouldn't have because the farm would
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: just be like, okay, if nothing happened, you mean, if
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: nothing had happened.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Honestly, no, like even if they if the the property,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: if everything still happened and the property was sold today,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: that property, I'm not talking about like the farmhouse, the
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: farm itself.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to the land that's stale. Would people want
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that shit?
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I guess probably land like that close to Vancouver.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Like that, that's true, that's true, that's.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Big, But I'm just like that is prime real estate.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Robert would maintain a small scale livestock operation at the farm. Well,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the majority of the land seemed to be used for
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Robert's brothers endeavors. Robert, Yeah, Robert was the older one
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of the two brothers. It seemed like the brother, the
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: younger brother, had like a lot of control over him,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: almost it did seem from my ratings. So the endeavors
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that the brother had included a top soil business and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: he used the land for a parking lot for trucks
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and heavy equipment for his excavation and demolition business. Dave
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: also had an interest with the known group the Hell's Angels,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and the farm was also used as a chop shop,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: which Robert ran as David was busy with his businesses
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and Robert had a gift for vehicle salvaging.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were quite the pseudo entrepreneurs kind of Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because in some reports even said that like Robert
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: owned the demolition business with David.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: But then it wasn't nothing was every clear, Like I couldn't.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Fully clarify that. So I know David ow them for sure,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: not sure, but Robert, and so for anyone too that
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what a chop shop is, it's a place
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: where stolen vehicles are basically dismantled so that the parts
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: can be sold or used to repair other stolen vehicles
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: or items sometimes are hidden all together and claimed for insurance.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: So they would be like burying shit, and sometimes they
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even bury it. They would just like cover it
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: with top soil or whatever. Like their farm was disgusting,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: like it was just a complete mess. They just destroyed
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: everything about it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Well, if you look at the picture, the picture you posted.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I did post, Yeah, it looks like a mess.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's disgusting.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I've seen farms before, and I mean, farms are gross.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: It's a muddy cross place. It's understandable you have animals
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: and everything growing around, but that just looked fucking gross. Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: So the next endeavor for the Picton brothers would be
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: what they called Piggy Palace.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: And this was Piggy Palace.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Piggy Palace.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: This is my favorite part of the story just because
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: of how ridiculous it is.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: It seems pretty ridiculous, like absolutely, I can't even believe
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that this happened.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I know so.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And that was in nineteen ninety five, nineteen ninety six.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: So they purchased property not far from the farm and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: converted a large corrugated metal shed to have a long bar,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: full restaurant kitchen, walk and fridge, and raised dance floor.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Old beer signs were hung, fluorescent lighting, and a revolving
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: disco ball and sound system. I mean, am I was
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting there. I actually should try to find
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: a photo. I didn't try to find a photo.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure there is pictures out there.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Because this is also almost like in farmland, And it
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: was like, like, I feel like I would never go there,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like I would just get freaking murdered.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: It's called Piggy Palace and it's on a.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Farm like there's I don't think that I would ever
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: go to something like that.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: And it was a known hangout area for people like
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: the Hell's Angels. Yes, yeah, that's not a place I'm
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: going to just go chill right Saturday night.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: It seemed like a lot of people would go check
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: it out, though, so there were enough tables and chairs
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to fit upwards of one hundred and fifty people. There
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: was a cover to get in the place of like
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: ten to twenty dollars, and they would bring in usually
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: no less than ten thousand dollars like on an average night,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: which is cool, Like that's a lot of money. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I think there was one it said one night they
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: made like forty over forty thousand, Holy shit. So the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: place was just like Hoppin'.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Piggy Palace rolling in the dough.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the place made a lot of people excited, including Robert.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: He hoped this was his chance to find a steady
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: girlfriend he had. He had had very few relationships in
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the past. Most females either friend zoned him or were
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: basically like repulse by him. I don't know how to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: say that. I think I can say that, Yeah, he's nasty.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I'm not surprised repulsed. You're nasty. Pick then you're nasty.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: He was briefly engaged, so he said, to a woman
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: named Connie when he was twenty four. She was a
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: pen pal friend. He like that was his thing. He
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was like, had pen pal friends mostly and they're mostly female.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Well, if you don't have much charisma, that's where you go.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: So he going online? Azel. Does anyone remain remember Azel
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: asl no no chat remember that the fucking late like
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: MSN Well, like I'm talking like internet chat rooms, not
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: just msn.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Oh like, and you could chat with anyone in another one.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So you like Azel, you'd ask people Azel be
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: age sex location. So how old do you are you girl? Guy?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: What and where do you live? Oh? Interesting, you don't
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: remember that shit.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: You had too much time on your hands, dude.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I had a lot of time.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I was. I was too busy.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I was playing fucking Diablo and StarCraft and talking to
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: people in chat rooms.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so where was I here? So he went to
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: visit her at one point and holy shit, I'm actually
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: reading in the wrong line smooth.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: It's so easy to do that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Well, you messed me up. Okay. Yeah, so he went
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and visited her, but she was she was living in Michigan,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: so apparently, like he came back, they were engaged, but
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: she had a job in Michigan and he was like
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: pretty attached to the farm. So it just like didn't
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: work out.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Gotcha. Also, I like how I tried to cover for
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: you there so you can have.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Time, and then I just blamed you.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, it's so easy to do that, and
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: you're like, fuck you, Ben, it's your fault. Thanks, love
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: you too, babe. Trying to have you back here.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's us to a tea. Okay. So he also
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: had a thing for one of his brother's girlfriends, Sandy,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and Sandy, from what I could tell, was the mother
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: of David's kids, and when they broke up, it devastated Robert.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: He apparently asked her to marry him, but she turned
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: him down. So like, that's really interesting.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I'm just singing songs from Greece right now, Sandy. Oh gosh.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, you seem really into that, Okay. So
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the idea of this picky palace excited him, and so
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: apparently for a very brief period in his life, he
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: decided to clean himself up to not be like such
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a disgusting, nasty motherfucker.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: So he like got new clothes. I think he bathed
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. I can't remember what the hell
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: it's called, but like he was balding at the top.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: He had like nasty kind of long hair, and then
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: he got this hair piece that would like sit on
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the top of his head like a too pey. Yeah.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, I can't remember what it's called. So
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: like people notice at first, like oly, shit, like he
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: looked like a new man really, like who is this guy.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Which again props to him for trying to turn himself
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: around and not necessarily saying it has to do with looks,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: but I mean respecting himself and cleaning himself and hygiene.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: That probably made him feel so good.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so props to him for that, Like you.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Can absolutely turn your life around at times, I think,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: like you just you just got to have a will.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it shows like Robert Picton could have been
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: a good person.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I honestly feel like I don't know in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: a sense, andimes I think he could. He really could
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: have been if this so many things had been different.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: I think so too.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: It's like they say, sometimes serial killers are made, and
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I think in this story that's the truth.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I think he hit the nail on the head there
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: one percent. Yeah, through and through. Yeah, okay, but it's true.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: So yeah, he cleaned himself up very briefly, but then
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: like he didn't take care of this two pay is
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: that what we decided? It was called yeah, hair pieces.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: And so it very quickly got disgusting and like he
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: was just I don't know, it's just very quickly. So
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: like he went back to his old waist because he
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: even had gotten like a new motor home, but like
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: he just didn't keep up with anything. It's like it's
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: not he almost didn't know how or something. So the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: brothers would later incorporate Piggy Palace to be I always
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: want to say it with plural piggies, but I don't
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: think it is. So they incorporate it to be Picky
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Palace Good Time Society and registered it as a non
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: profit charity. I'm like, how how with a mandate to
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: raise for charitable groups through events such as dances and
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: shows on behalf of service organizations, sports organizations, and other
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: worthy groups like lofuck. Though the Palace attracted all types
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: of crowds, including it didn't like it said this in
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: numerous things, off duty police officers, city officials, and the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: mayor of Port Equiplament at one time even had an
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: appearance there, very brief, but he did. But in all
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: reality it was a biker hangout attracting a rougher crowd
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: on a more normal basis, including the Hell's Angels which
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: would take over every couple of weeks for private parties.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I think there were certain events.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Where charitable events. Probably yes, certain.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Charitable events that would have attracted those those more official types,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: and then like maybe the weekends or something like that,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: and then when it was back to the weekdays, that's
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: when it was the regular's toll in or something like that.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: But it is surprising because the zoning of that shit
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: must it just like they must have just had a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: complete idea that they shouldn't be there.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, I never even considered zoning.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I wonder if it was like even a thing. Well, yeah,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: it would have been.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I have this later because it was zoned for agricultural purposes.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very much so.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: And there's a bar there like that is just it's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: just like the opposite of what it was zoned for.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: People just not asking questions, I guess.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: So. Neighbors would complain often of the rowdiness, drug use,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and noise coming from the parties. At one point they
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: were sued by Port Coquitlam officials for violating zoning. Audience audiences,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's how you would say that.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: How come you just questioned the zoning when you just
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: had the answer in the next sentence. You totally set
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: me up. Thanks appreciate it. You just wrote me around.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Well played, Well, that's how we roll.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: But that's how we roll.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Throw Ben into the bus every time. Everything.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're making me sound like a terrible person. I
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: made you a delicious dinner, a delicious cheese. K Okay,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you out to swain that it's just is it just
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: for no? What's it called?
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Last One Laughing?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Last One Laughing? Holy shit? But it was a Canadian show, right.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not a Canadian show, but there was a
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Canadian version. So if you don't know, there's a show
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: called Last One Laughing. This is totally not.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: It's totally off talk about it.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: It's just fun. But there's a show where basically comedians
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: get thrown in a house like Big Brother, and they
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: have to stay in there for like ten hours and
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: they're not allowed to laugh, so you have to make
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: the others laugh to leave the house, and last One
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Laughing wins. And there was a Canadian version of it
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: where all all the contestants were Canadian only contestants, and
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: yet Tom Green is Canadian and he was one of
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: the ones in there and he just kept going after
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: this one other girl, this other comedian, and he's just
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: like making grilled cheese sandwiches, and he saw that she
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: was laughing just the way he's saying grilled cheese, semam.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: And so he just kept going, would you like me
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: to make you a delicious cheese sandwich?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And he just over and over constantly. It was the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: funniest shit I've ever seen. And now I cannot hear
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: or say the word delicious without thinking.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: That delicious cheese.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: So we constantly just say delicious cheese sandwich in this house.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: We should have a shirt that says delicious cheese sandwich.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Actually i'd wear I'm rock it. Okay, holy shit, where
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: was I here?
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Sorry, We're the worst.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Okay. So, like basically everything else in their life, the
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: brothers ignored these legal pressures, eventually getting banned for holding
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: future parties, and ultimately in two thousand, the city shut
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: down Piggy Palace. It's honestly surprising that they had their
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: fun for like that many years. That it was probably
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: four years.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absurd.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I cannot even believe that they got away with that
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: for four years.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Bringing in, like you said, like ten grand a night.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I know, like they must like run rich as heck.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there was high costs of running it,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: but there was also along with like Hell's Angels. There
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: was sex workers that would come and like people from
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the downtown east Side and stuff. So I don't know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: like it's just the fact. And then it was being
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: ran as a charity and stuff. It just seems like
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the most interesting.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Regardless it promoted a very not so much healthy lifestyle.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, the whole situation just seemed so
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: crazy to me. Okay. So now, during much of this time,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: from the span of Robert losing his father slash mother
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: just shortly after the close of Piggy Palace, there was
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: a wide known problem happening in Vancouver's downtown east Side,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and it was the disappearing of women, more specifically sex workers.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: As the rate of disappearances escalated, rumors of a sex
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: section I know, I got this, but I'm like, I'm
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: just like really reading too fast. So rumors of a
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: serial killer began to circulate. The women were in fear
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: of their life. They began walking in groups and writing
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: down license plate numbers of vehicles picking up their friends,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: which is which is awesome. Like they were looking out
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: for each other each other's back, which is really awesome.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: And clearly because the RCMP.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: City Police they didn't feel like anyone else did.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the police didn't have their back. So I don't
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: think RCMPR in Vancouver. It's city police, aren't they.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like Vancouver Police Department. Yeah, I
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think it's rc ANDP.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: So I just wanted to clarify because I said RCMP four.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Oh okay. So family members and friends were also reaching
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: out to police, reporting their loved ones as missing and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: having no idea why or how they vanished, but knowing
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: their loved ones were leaving behind personal identification, treasured children's pictures, medications,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and uncashed welfare checks. Things that you wouldn't necessarily be
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: leaving behind if you were just like skipping town. Yeah, no, kidding,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: very important items really.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, someone who's skipping town, you know, running away from
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: a lifestyle or other individuals that they're probably going to
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: need all the income they can get and they're going
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: to take that with them.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: M they're medications, and they're probably going to get the
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: photos of their.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Children, right exactly. They're going to take those possessions that
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: are close to them.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Most of the senior police officers in the Vancouver
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Police Department refuse to believe a serial killer was at
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: work because of the marginalized lifestyles and transient habits of
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the victims going missing, The police were not taking the
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: concerns seriously and believe there was no indication of a
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: serial killer on the loose, instead suggesting that an increasing
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: level of violence and disputes over drugs in the downtown
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: East Side were likely to blame. But they also did
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: not give an explanation for the lack of bodies being
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: found if that were the case.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean just playing devil's advocate here, say
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: the police are right, and that is playing a role.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it is playing a role. I'm sure it's
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: not the entire reason, though maybe there is. It is
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: accounting for a couple, but it's definitely not accounting for all.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean some of them would have been overdoses,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: but then they would have had a body, and some
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: people did go missing later to be found. So it's
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: like I I but the amount of numbers that were
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: going missing was too high to ignore. Really. Oh yeah,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So in nineteen eighty seven, the RCMP did set up
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: a special team to investigate the disappearances.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: You said, RCMP.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Shit, I do have RCMP. Okay, now I'm gonna have
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: to double check.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure. I'm gonna give here a quick Google while.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Your tah no, let's just look right now.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Okay. So we just gave it a quick Google search,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: and just to clarify if RCMP are operating within Vancouver,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: here's what Google says. It says the Northern sorry, the
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: North Vancouver. Wow, I can't talk good thing I'm not
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: presenting today. The North Vancouver City District and provincial RCMP units,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: for example, make up the North Vancouver detachments. So there
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: is both RCMP and city police in Vancouver.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, which makes sense because I do kind of go
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: back and forth a little bit.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so they're they're operating together basically.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: There's also Google reviews for RCMP, which seems wild to me.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: They are happily they have a two point eight goog review.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Why am I not surprised?
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: That's really interesting. They should be having not reviews on there. Okay,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: but I also just have to say something really quick,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: is we are garbage jump in town. I have to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: like google it sometimes to look at the hours, and
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: there's literally a five star review on there. That says
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: some they what did it? Would say, it's a garbage dump.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I dump things, and every time I look at the hours,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I just like freaking laugh my ass off. It's so funny.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Five stars, five stars and lets me dump things.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Okay. So in nineteen eighty seven, the oh did I Okay,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: that's where we left off, and then we're like, oh,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: there's yeah. So I'm just gonna say that lining in.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: The RCMP did set up a special team to investigate
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the disappearances, but due to limited progress, it was disbanded
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine. In nineteen ninety one, families of
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: the missing women, along with advocates for sex trade workers,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: would establish an annual Valentine's Day a Remembrance Walk, as
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: a memorial to remember or to the murder to missing victims.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: The hopes of this was to bring light to the
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: situation and that police may once again start an investigation,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: but the police were sluggish to respond. The Vancouver Sun
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: a key was the police of geving low priority to
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: crimes committed against sex workers. They were also criticized for
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: their reluctance to adopt new emerging methods of investigation, such
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: as psychological criminal profiling, and geo profiling. Though the creep
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: factor was high with Robert Picton, he wasn't necessarily under
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: radar until he was actually caught. We'll talk about these
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: are the complaints that would come in regarding Robert. But
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven, there was a significant missed opportunity
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that could have prevented the death of many women, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: that was the incident with Wendy Lynn Eiestetter and my friends.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: That's also we're going to stop today's episode.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: That was information overload.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to get through all that stuff to
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: be able to tell the rest of the story.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's severely important to consider what happened after words,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: because now we kind of have a picture of his
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: history and what kind of individual he has become, yes,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: and the opportunities he had to turn himself around and
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: never really fully took advantage of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll be we'll be doing part two next week.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And I also wanted to showed out a book. So
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: this book was written by Stevie Cameron and it's titled
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: On the Farm Robert William picked him and the tragic
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: story of Vancouver Missing women. And so I'm finally reading
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: a book for a case, which I'm like, yes, some'vering awesome.
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  Speaker 3: You generally don't have the time to read a full
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: book for.
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  Speaker 1: It, I know, And this time I'm just like, you
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm just going to like do it. So
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I'm I am like skimming because i mean, it's like
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: seven on our pages and we're not going to have
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: like a seven hour podcast. So if you really wanted to,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: like dive super deep, you could read that. And because
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: it's really well done, it's just like a wealth of information.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, next week we'll be giving you more details
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: on this and this nasty character that we're talking about here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one that hits close to home for us and
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: one that is known worldwide because this is crazy.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very crazy.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Well well done so far, that was really good.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you guys want to see more of us,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: of course, check out our social media links that are
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: in the description or the show notes of this podcast.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, all those good ones,
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: and of course Patreon, Patreon, and you can check out
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: the new merch we dropped this week.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we had some super cool merch.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Actually, we had three new designs, all colored designs for
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: T shirt stickers, water bottles, you name it, all designed
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: by the guy who's talking right now. And socks, Yes, socks.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: The socks are actually dope. They are I love They're
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, And honestly, if you have a moment,
• 53:47
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• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a rating because it really really helps.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Reviews and ratings help the algorithm actually shout our podcast
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: out to other people who might think that, you know,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Spotify is like, hey, this person might like this.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Podcast, which is honestly how we got to where we
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: are too, was getting pushed by the algorithm. Really yeah,
• 54:07
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• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, definitely don't get me wrong there, but if you
• 54:12
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• 54:14
  Speaker 3: even maybe tell a friend about our podcast, it means
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: a world of difference and it definitely helps. So thank
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: you very much for all the support you've given us
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: so far, and just wait for part two of Robert Pickton.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: So until then, until next
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Week, stay wicked.