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#158 Teaching Children Body Autonomy with Psychologist Victoria Barendsen · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: Hey, I can't help, but notice that one of us
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  Speaker 1: had a bit of a sore tummy before.
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  Speaker 2: Oh bro, what the heck was that? Did you hear me?
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  Speaker 2: Jess and I was like, let's play some music.
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  Speaker 1: I knew it was like.
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  Speaker 3: Jess and I were like, oh, how you've been pretty
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  Speaker 3: good for me? Oh fuck, you feel better? I came
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  Speaker 3: downstairs and there's music playing. I was so suspicious. I
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  Speaker 3: was very suspicious of you, guys.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you tummy hasn't made a noise to him?
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  Speaker 1: Be like, put some David Gray on to round out
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  Speaker 1: your guts.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, I'm really sorry. Okay, but you feel better. I
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  Speaker 2: would like to say yes, but the answer is no.
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  Speaker 2: Now I feel embarrassed, but whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to two doting dads. I am Maddie.
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  Speaker 2: Jay and I'm farty MG pants No, I'm mad.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a podcast all about parenting. It is
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  Speaker 1: the good, it is the bad, and we never give advice.
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  Speaker 1: We don't, but every now and then we will reach
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  Speaker 1: out to those people who have far more wisdom than
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  Speaker 1: the two of us.
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  Speaker 2: Which is majority of people. Let's speak completely honest. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But we had a message in the Facebook group recently
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  Speaker 1: which made a request for a specific guest. They were like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we know you guys aren't really experts. This is Celeste.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to celestiout out if she's listening. Now, before
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  Speaker 1: we go any further, I do just want to make
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  Speaker 1: a quick note and say.
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  Speaker 2: Matt, this episode does contain some discussions of child sexual abuse,
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  Speaker 2: which could be distressing for some people.
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  Speaker 1: If you or someone you know may be impacted by
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  Speaker 1: this content, please seek help. We will put some details
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  Speaker 1: of those organizations that you can reach out to in
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  Speaker 1: the show notes. Now, I will flag that this chat
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  Speaker 1: that we're about to have it's only about fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the whole episode, So if you did want
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  Speaker 1: to skip this part, I'd skip about fifteen minutes and
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  Speaker 1: then we'll get into our normal episode. So going back
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  Speaker 1: to Celeste, she did a post in the Facebook group.
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  Speaker 1: It was off the back of a twenty six year
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  Speaker 1: old childcare worker, Joshua Dale Brown, who's been charged of
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  Speaker 1: sexual abuse of children whilst in daycare. Absolutely horrific and
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  Speaker 1: so Letse wanted to know as parents, what information can
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  Speaker 1: we have to be more mindful of the topic, more proactive.
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  Speaker 1: Now it is confronting and it's really easy to avoid
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  Speaker 1: the topic altogether totally. But we thought it was a
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  Speaker 1: great suggestion from Celeste, so we thought we will reach
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  Speaker 1: out to an expert, so.
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  Speaker 2: We reached out to Victoria. She runs the Safe Kids Project,
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  Speaker 2: which is a handle on Instagram. She's a registered psychologist
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  Speaker 2: based in New Zealand who specializes working with children and
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  Speaker 2: provides sexual abuse and sexual harm prevent therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Victoria, I do have to say a very big thank you.
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  Speaker 5: You are so welcome. I was so delighted to be
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  Speaker 5: asked to come on. I'm so passionate about prevention work,
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  Speaker 5: so any opportunity to speak about this and shear my mission,
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  Speaker 5: I'm here.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the conversations we're about to have, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like they should be prioritized as much as like
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  Speaker 1: a first aid course for parents. But for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's one of these things that it's such
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  Speaker 1: a tricky subject that it's easy for parents to completely
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  Speaker 1: avoid it. So I know that so many people are
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  Speaker 1: going to benefit from this chat. Yeah, to start off,
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  Speaker 1: at what age do you start having conversations with your
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  Speaker 1: children about consent and body autonomy?
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  Speaker 5: Such a great question, and I do believe that a
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  Speaker 5: lot of parents try and put the hit in the
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  Speaker 5: sand and not talk about it purely. Like there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of reasons, but I do believe one of the
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  Speaker 5: main reasons is they're growing up. We never had these conversations.
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  Speaker 5: And it's not that it was the fault of our parents,
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  Speaker 5: but a lot of the time they didn't know how
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  Speaker 5: to share this education with us. So it is a
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  Speaker 5: really new way of working, and it's you're right, it's
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  Speaker 5: like just as important as first aid. I think it's
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  Speaker 5: just as important as we teach our children to swim
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  Speaker 5: or cross the road. Teaching them about their body is
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  Speaker 5: so so important and how to keep it safe. So
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  Speaker 5: my daughter is four and my son is coming up too,
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  Speaker 5: and I've been teaching them about body safety education since
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  Speaker 5: they were born, but more specifically once they could sort
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  Speaker 5: of comprehend what I spoke about and what I talked about.
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  Speaker 5: So for my daughter, from two, she was able to
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  Speaker 5: label her body correctly. She was able to let me
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  Speaker 5: know if she wanted physical content like a huggle or not.
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  Speaker 5: She was able to say no to me and know
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  Speaker 5: that it will be respected. So I would say anywhere
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  Speaker 5: from like one and a half to two is a
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  Speaker 5: really good age to actually start introducing to your child
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  Speaker 5: that their body belongs to them and they get to
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  Speaker 5: make choices that feel it.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of language, and like, sorry, this is a
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  Speaker 1: really dumb question, but you know, I know that people
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  Speaker 1: are so particular about certain words are good to use
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  Speaker 1: and some are bad to use. Do you say what
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  Speaker 1: they are in terms of vagina penis or do you
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  Speaker 1: have to give other words to kids at that age?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, so at that age I recommend using anatomically correct labels,
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  Speaker 5: which are what our body is called. So I often
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  Speaker 5: say to pearents, if you call a knee a knee,
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  Speaker 5: and a nose and nose, why do you call a
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  Speaker 5: volver a fannie or a.
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  Speaker 6: Penis a willie?
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  Speaker 5: Like it instantly tells your child that that's not a
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  Speaker 5: part of your body you're allowed to talk about, or
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  Speaker 5: that's not something we're comfortable talking about because we instantly
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  Speaker 5: give it a nickname. And so anatomically correct labels for
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  Speaker 5: body parts is like number one when it comes to
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  Speaker 5: body safety education because it creates a really open dialogue
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  Speaker 5: with your child for them to know that those parts
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  Speaker 5: of their body are normal, and if there were any concerns.
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  Speaker 6: They've got the language to talk to you about it.
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  Speaker 5: And from a prevention standpoint, has been some research done
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  Speaker 5: with convicted sexual offenders towards children, and they have said
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  Speaker 5: one of the biggest deterrence to harming a child is
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  Speaker 5: if they have the correct anatomical language for their body,
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  Speaker 5: because it instantly says to them that child's having conversations
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  Speaker 5: at home, or that child has parents that are willing
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  Speaker 5: to talk about their body. That's not somebody I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to target. So it's really really like powerful from a
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  Speaker 5: prevention standpoint, And on the other side of something does
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  Speaker 5: happen to your child, it's really important that they have
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  Speaker 5: the correct language to be able to tell you about it.
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  Speaker 5: I've worked with in multiple cases where children haven't had
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  Speaker 5: the correct terms, and what that means is from a
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  Speaker 5: legal standpoint, it can actually be really difficult to move
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  Speaker 5: things along the legal system. So we want to give
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  Speaker 5: children the language about their body to normalize it and
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  Speaker 5: reduce any shame or stigma. And also that really helps
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  Speaker 5: with prevention.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of consent, it's a tricky one because like
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  Speaker 1: this morning, for example, I was trying to brush my
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  Speaker 1: daughter's hair, Marley's six, Lola's four, and what they'll say
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  Speaker 1: when they don't want to have their hair brush is
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  Speaker 1: my body, my choice. No, And then obviously I want
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  Speaker 1: to acknowledge that, but at the same time I need
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  Speaker 1: to brush their hair.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit of a non negotiable.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you explain when and is inappropriate to
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  Speaker 1: have those boundaries crossed?
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  Speaker 5: Amazing, it's so nice to hear those conversations coming from
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  Speaker 5: young children that they know their body belongs to them.
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  Speaker 6: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 5: So I have some roles around body autonomy and that
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  Speaker 5: my child. My children get to make choices for their
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  Speaker 5: body all of the time, except in three situations. The
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  Speaker 5: first is how second is hygiene, and the third is safety.
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  Speaker 5: So in those situations it is my role as a
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  Speaker 5: parent to put a limit in and say, actually, this
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  Speaker 5: is what's happening.
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  Speaker 6: So that sounds like the case for hair brushing.
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  Speaker 5: And I feel that one to my poor my daughter,
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  Speaker 5: who's full list here is like these huge ringlets and
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  Speaker 5: she goes to a forest kindy, and so she goes
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  Speaker 5: to kindy and she just comes from.
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  Speaker 6: Leaves and sticks in late back.
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  Speaker 5: So I really I feel this because we have a
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  Speaker 5: role in our house that we have to have her
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  Speaker 5: hair up for KINDI. So the way that I recommend
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  Speaker 5: talking to your child when you get to a body
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  Speaker 5: autonomy limit is to be really clear. And the first
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  Speaker 5: thing is telling them what you're doing. So I'm brushing
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  Speaker 5: your hair right now, while you're doing it, you need
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  Speaker 5: to do it otherwise it's going to get into a
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  Speaker 5: really big tangle and we might have to cut your hair.
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  Speaker 6: Really sure, I'm not sure?
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  Speaker 5: Give black examples, and then you ask for some clarification.
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  Speaker 5: So you might be like, do you have any questions?
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  Speaker 5: See if they want to ask, and then what I
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  Speaker 5: recommend doing. So being really clear is the first part
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  Speaker 5: on what you're doing, and then the second part is
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  Speaker 5: provide opportunities for control. So in those situations where they
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  Speaker 5: don't have a choice or they don't have control over
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  Speaker 5: what's happening to their body, allow them opportunities like what
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  Speaker 5: color hair brush do you want to use?
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  Speaker 6: Do you want to brush your hair first?
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  Speaker 5: And then dad will do it second, Like provide little
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  Speaker 5: moments and there is there a favorite toy you want
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  Speaker 5: to hold it? Or is there something that you can
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  Speaker 5: be doing while I do your hair, So moments where
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  Speaker 5: they feel in control of a situation that actually they
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  Speaker 5: don't get a choice over For me.
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  Speaker 2: At home, we might playfully smack mum on the bottom
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  Speaker 2: or you know, the kids they think it's hilarious. But
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  Speaker 2: is that something that's inappropriate or.
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't say it's inappropriate.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's really important for children to see healthy
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  Speaker 5: relationships between parents. But maybe what you could do in
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  Speaker 5: there is every now and again weaven some modeling of consent,
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  Speaker 5: like to.
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  Speaker 6: Your wife or partner, Hey, like I.
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  Speaker 5: Really want to give you a little snack on the bum?
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  Speaker 5: Is that okay with you? You know, like make it
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  Speaker 5: like a little bit playful so the children can see
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  Speaker 5: that aspect of consent, or maybe you do it and
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  Speaker 5: then you say, hey, is this something that you find
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  Speaker 5: fun or is this like enjoyable so that the children
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  Speaker 5: are seeing that as well. But I think if it's
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  Speaker 5: really lighthearted and it brings joy, there's nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that I've noticed is like, you know that
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  Speaker 1: game of like don't he's going to smoke in the
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  Speaker 1: bottom and I'll chase the kids around. And then I've
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  Speaker 1: seen Marley interact with her cousins and then they will
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  Speaker 1: play that same game with other cousins. Obviously Marley from
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  Speaker 1: her perspective, it's completely harmless. Then I'm thinking in my
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  Speaker 1: head like, oh my gosh, am I am I putting
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  Speaker 1: these games in place which are going to be like
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  Speaker 1: inappropriate with other kids?
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  Speaker 2: Should I be mindful of that? Do you think? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I feel like there's a real fine line, right, Like
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  Speaker 5: we don't want to lose the fun of childhood, but
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  Speaker 5: we do want to just make sure that our children
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  Speaker 5: are respecting body autonomy of others. So you could say,
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  Speaker 5: before you play that game of like Dad's gonna do
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  Speaker 5: you say, pet your barm or chase you or whatever
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  Speaker 5: it might be, you might say, do you want to
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  Speaker 5: play this game? And let me know if you want
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  Speaker 5: to stop at any time, because you're just then modeling
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  Speaker 5: to them what consent looks like that actually, you can
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  Speaker 5: be playing something can be really really fun, but you
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  Speaker 5: can also say stop when it feels right for you.
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  Speaker 5: And that's same question, Like you might be chasing them
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  Speaker 5: around the house and you might say, Mary, are you.
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  Speaker 6: Still having fun right now?
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  Speaker 5: Like it's just a little chicken that gets her to
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  Speaker 5: chicken with her body and then knows that there's a
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  Speaker 5: safe place to communicate it, and then when it goes
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  Speaker 5: into playing it with your cousins with her cousins, you
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  Speaker 5: might just say, oh, remember to ask for you to
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  Speaker 5: somebody's body, like is this again they actually want to play, Like,
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  Speaker 5: just check in first. It doesn't have to be like
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  Speaker 5: sit down, like really serious. Like when I'm teaching young children,
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  Speaker 5: my children can sent. I do it all through modeling.
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  Speaker 5: I never explain to them necessarily like don't touch other
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  Speaker 5: people's bodies. It's actually just through my interactions every day
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  Speaker 5: with them that they learn what consent looks like.
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  Speaker 2: We have a few listeners reach out about some tools
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  Speaker 2: of parents that you can share with parents who can
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  Speaker 2: help their kids speak up confidently when boundaries are crossed.
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  Speaker 5: So I believe that this comes from lots of modeling
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  Speaker 5: at home. Like I just said, that children need to
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  Speaker 5: see us as parents advocate for their boundaries as well
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  Speaker 5: as us putting in boundaries for ourselves. So how this
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  Speaker 5: might look like If a family member was to come
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  Speaker 5: around to my house, I would say to my daughter, Hey, darling,
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  Speaker 5: remember your nanny's coming over this afternoon. Remember you get
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  Speaker 5: to choose how you say hello, And then once my
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  Speaker 5: mum arrives, I would say, oh, nanny's here, would you
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  Speaker 5: like to give her a hug, a kiss, a wave.
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  Speaker 5: In moment, I'm saying to my daughter, listen to your body,
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  Speaker 5: you share what feels right. But I'm also putting in
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  Speaker 5: a boundary with my mum to remind her of what
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  Speaker 5: kind of interactions we have in our family and how
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  Speaker 5: that looks. So that's modeling how to interact. And the
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  Speaker 5: other one is sometimes I will tell my children when
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  Speaker 5: they've crossed my personal space. So last night I was
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  Speaker 5: over it, like it was just one of those days,
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  Speaker 5: and my husband was on a night shift and I
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  Speaker 5: was like, I'm done, and they were all over me
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  Speaker 5: for story time, and so I was just like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: mom needs some space right now. My daughter kicked off
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  Speaker 5: and like told me how sad I'd made her feel.
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  Speaker 5: And that's fine, that's all part of it. But it's like, actually,
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  Speaker 5: as a parent, I need my children to see me
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  Speaker 5: putting in boundaries for my body, to give them the
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  Speaker 5: permission slip to put in a boundary for their body.
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  Speaker 5: And so when we think about teaching children to be
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  Speaker 5: confident to say no, we need to really have these
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  Speaker 5: foundations of them seeing consent in practice, because the more
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  Speaker 5: that they see it happening, the more likely they can
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  Speaker 5: draw on that experience and say, actually, I can say
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  Speaker 5: no right now and it should be all right. And
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  Speaker 5: another thing with that is if we as parents or
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  Speaker 5: kidgivers really respect a child's no, they're more likely to
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  Speaker 5: say it. So say you're playing like a tickling game
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  Speaker 5: with the kids and they're.
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  Speaker 6: Like no, and you actually stop.
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  Speaker 5: In that moment, you're teaching your child that they're no
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  Speaker 5: matters and that you should listen. So the more we
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  Speaker 5: can practice and give children opportunities to say no, to
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  Speaker 5: see us as parents saying no, they're really good ways
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  Speaker 5: to build confidence.
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  Speaker 1: I always I guess, double guess how I parent when
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  Speaker 1: I know that there's so many little harmless sayings that
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  Speaker 1: people then spin it and say, actually, that's quite detrimental.
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  Speaker 1: For example, no one likes to dip adobba, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that there's been times where you know, Maley,
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  Speaker 1: for example, any minute little inconvenience from another kid, whether
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  Speaker 1: one of her family members or her sister, she'll run
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  Speaker 1: to me. And I've said before like come on, Malle,
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  Speaker 1: no one likes to dip adoba. And then afterwards I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, that's sending the wrong message, right, So how
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  Speaker 1: do you how do you make sure that you're communicating
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  Speaker 1: in a way that doesn't discourage them to stand up
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  Speaker 1: when something has happened.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, really good question.
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  Speaker 5: I know we catch ourselves and parenting moments all the time,
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  Speaker 5: so I think that's only natural. Yeah, when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to communication, I think that again it's a really like
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  Speaker 5: foundational thing that you keep building on when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to sharing stuff that's important to a child. When we
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  Speaker 5: as parents have capacity to try and listen, you know,
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  Speaker 5: in those moments where she's come to you and she
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  Speaker 5: had something like, oh gosh, that sounds really tough, how
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  Speaker 5: could you do? Something like what could you do about that?
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  Speaker 5: It almost is easier for us as parents to just
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  Speaker 5: shut it down and say stop, stop telling, because that's
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  Speaker 5: what feels right for us in that moment, particularly if
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  Speaker 5: we're just regulated ourselves or we've had a really busy day.
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  Speaker 5: But if we can hold space even for the little things,
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  Speaker 5: that does really help them eventually, is something does happen,
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  Speaker 5: they know, oh that's somebody I can go and speak to.
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  Speaker 6: Feels really safe.
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  Speaker 5: But another role that we have in our house is
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  Speaker 5: we have a no secrets policy, so absolutely zero secrets
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  Speaker 5: are allowed in our house.
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  Speaker 1: This morning, I gave Lola a piece of pizza for
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  Speaker 1: breakfast and I was like, don't tell mom, And then
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  Speaker 1: I'm like.
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  Speaker 5: Shit, yeah, so that would be like a bit what
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  Speaker 5: we don't do in our house, and it happened before,
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  Speaker 5: and like, we definitely catch ourselves purely because then we're
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  Speaker 5: saying to the child that it's okay to keep some secret.
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  Speaker 5: And when children are young, they're thinking is so black
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  Speaker 5: and white, and so if you say, oh, that secret's
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  Speaker 5: a good secret or a safe secret and this one's not,
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  Speaker 5: like they don't understand. That's way too gray. And so
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  Speaker 5: with our family, we just have no secrets full stop.
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  Speaker 5: And again, it's not like something I sit down and
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  Speaker 5: talk to a four year old about, like allow it
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  Speaker 5: to come up really naturally. She brought her brother a
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: truck and it was super super noisy for his birthday.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: She's like, oh, we'll keep this a secret, and I
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: was like, no, darling, this is a surprise. And so
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: then we talk about surprises like they're really cool. That's
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: something somebody will eventually find out about. But yeah, steering
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: away from secrets or keeping this information is really important
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: and it can be Yeah, something as simple as don't
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: say you had pizza for breakfast, or don't have an
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: ice cream, don't say that we got an ice cream
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: when we're out And yes, like from an open communication
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: point of view, really good, but also from a grooming perspective, secrets.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: Keeping secrets is one of the steps in the grooming process,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: and that's in order to establish trust with the child
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: and also with the family. And so often they might
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: start with something really small like, oh, don't tell them
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: we got an ice cream when we were out watching
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: whether or not the parent, whether or not the child
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: will tell the parent, and that kind of tells them, Okay,
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: we're beginning to build trust, and then they build on
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: that and build on that. So having no secrets yet
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: really important for communication and also another really important prevention tool.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: There was some horrible news to come out of Melbourne
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: just this past week, just to do with daycare. Is
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: there any signs that parents should look out for in
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: environments to assess their safety.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I feel like this one's a really hard, hard
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: topic and my heart really goes out to all of
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: those people that were affected in Melbourne because the children
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: were so young, it would have been really really hard
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: to sort of know that something was wrong, because at
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: that age they're really unlikely to have the vocabulary and
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: comprehension to be able to express that to parents. What
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: I do say, though, is that when your child goes
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: into an early childhood setting, you as a parent have
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: every right to ask questions and to become really curious.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: I find often parents wort to stand back and don't
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: want to be like overprotective or overbearing or over the top.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: But actually, what if we put our child's safety at
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: the center, we can feel a lot more comfortable to
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: have conversations. And so I suggest, and these are things
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: that I do with my children, Like what is your
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: child protection policy? So do you know if something happens,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: what are the steps to follow? Do all your staff
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: members know the steps to follow? Another one, a big
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: one for me is supervision, So what are the ratios
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: for the children to teach her? And also in the center,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: are there spaces where a child might not be seen,
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: they might be hidden, So like really mindful of who's
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: watching my children, becoming really mindful of the environment, so
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: changing or toileting who is supporting the children through that
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: is that leaving one teacher, one adult alone with a child,
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: is it in an open space? So I think it's
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: really hard to look out for certain signs at that
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: young age that something's gone wrong. But I would be
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: more trying to look at it from Can we use
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: what has happened to drive some change? And I hope
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: that happens with policy and legal levels within the early
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: childhood sector. But as parents, we are allowed to ask
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: the questions, and I would really encourage your listeners to
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: who ask them.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Is there any type of language that you can recommend
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: when speaking to your own kids if you think something
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: may have happened.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So in that situation, I always say, become really
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: curious with your child and notice what happens within you,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Like if you've noticed maybe something different in their behavior,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: maybe they're really isolated and withdrawn and worried all the
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: time and don't want to attend to their early childhood
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: center or for all, like all of a sudden, then
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: become really curious with that. Don't go straight in with
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: maybe what you assume has happened. It's better to be curious.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: So it might be I've noticed that at drop offs
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: you're really upset at.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: The moment, what's going on there?
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: Or they might tell you something's happened and you might say,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: can you tell me more about that? Or what happened next?
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: And you'll notice that in my languaging, I'm not saying, oh,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: did this person do that, or did you then do this?
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Or did you feel this? No, it's really open, like
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: what happened next, what was what was.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: Going on around that time?
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: So really keeping it as open as possible and being
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: really curious.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: Where you can.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: So, I have a six year old boy and he's
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: at the age where he can't keep his hands off
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: his penis, and look, it's outside of the pans, inside
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: at home, whatever it might be. But I'm really worried
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: about shaming him for her. Is there any steps I
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: can take or anything I should be doing to make
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: sure that I don't he's educated, he's educated.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm so here for these questions. This is
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: so nice to be talking to two dads like this,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: I said earlier. Often I'm speaking with mum, So I
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: love this and how you don't want to cause shame
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: like amazing. So a child exploring their body, all parts
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: of their body, very very develop mentally normal.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: So what I would.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Say in this space is I encourage children to recognize
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: the difference between a private place and a public place.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: So say he's touching his penis and it's in the
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: lounge room, you might say, hey, this is a public place.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: You're more than welcome to touch your body explore your body.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: But that's something we do in a private place. Private
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: place is room or the bathroom. So give him the
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: context that that behavior is appropriate for and that doesn't
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: cause any shame. It just is almost like a redirection
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: of the behavior.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: And then is there any age This is a hard
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: one to answer, but talking about public place and private place,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: we were at the park on the weekend and Marley
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: was like, I need to eat and there was no
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: toilets anywhere, and I was like, let's just do a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: bushwee And she was like, but people are going to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: see me if she's communicating to me in that way,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: do I have to acknowledge that or do you think
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it's best to acknowledge that to not then break the boundaries.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: But being like no, it's okay, I'll like, you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: we're just going to be in public.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, real tricky one. Funny, my daughter loves the bushway,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: she'd like should ask for that, So yeah, yeah, I
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: think yeah, tricky to answer because I think every child
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: and family is different. You might in that situation say,
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: if I was able to make a barrier to make
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: sure nobody saw, would you feel more comfortable then so
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: you could maybe give an option. Otherwise you need to
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: hold on and then we'll have to like find somewhere.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: But I think try and explore that option in a
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: way that makes them feel safe. And if that's not
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: a possibility, then yeah, probably go into the bathroom and
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: you might be able to acknowledge it. Like, yeah, actually
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: people might see you and that might be uncomfortable. Can
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: I make a way for this to be more comfortable
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: for you?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Victoria? You are a wealth of knowledge.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: It's been so great and we could keep asking questions,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: but we know your time is limited, but we want
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to say thank you so much, Thank you appreciate it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Well, you're so welcome. Yeah, thank you so much for
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: having me.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: And again, like, being able to speak to dads is
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: such a privilege and I hope that this also shares
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: out to your audience being dads as well. It means
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: a lot, and I think as parents we can make
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: a lot of change in the space for our children.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Lenjen ask question for or you fire away? We go Okay.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been asked this question before,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna come out. I'm going to say
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it honestly. Okay, how often do you worm your kids?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Never? What? Sorry? Rattled were? Okay? Go on, man, I
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: just had a flashback to what being wormed by? Who?
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: My mom?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: How sorry? I was a small child and I had
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: worms because I used to eat a lot of dirt.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Hang on a second. We're just in
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the backyard. Just go out for a little snack or.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, and I remember because there's suppository cream suppository.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so you'd have to apply that. You don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: have to apply that, and we all know how that happens.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: How often do you did you get worms?
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: That's a question? Should we call her screening? The call? Hey?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Do you remember how often I would have to be dewormed? Well,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: a couple of months, every couple of months. Why would
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: do it?
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: Oh? Fuck?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you? How did you do it? Was the tablet
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: we used to have.
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: To get a talk to the middle of the night
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: and have a look.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: At your butt crack when I was asleep. Yes, because
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the worms came out when you were relaxed.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, do you remember what age did the worms?
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: Don't answer that. Once he stopped eating dirt, so like seven, yeah,
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: you from the worms to the nets.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I did have a lot of hair. Sister
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: had a lot of hair as well. For some reason,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: it's were bad on the Norman beaches. You had a
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: lot of hair too. Trying to shift the blame on
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the mum. It was you. All right, well, thank you,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: bye bye.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: They have it, be honest, right now, fancy bit of dirt.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Little they wouldn't mind.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Damn dirt. We've got a lot of worms out there.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: It's only lunch time anyway. Your question, I saw a doctor.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: You saw a doctor, a doctor in passing like you
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: know at the markets.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, you just ran in, just talking.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And then they brought the topic of worming and he
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: said half of do you worm your kids? And I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: said never, never done it either, And he said, well
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you should actually be doing it every six months. Yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: from when.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: That's good. That's good question.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I don't have the answer to that, but apparently when
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: your kids, let's say, from the age of three, and again, no,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I'm no expert. No okay, I'm not trained medically, you're
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: not and I want to say three, but just I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: think every six months. So I then took that information.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I've implemented the information.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: It gave us all worming tablets, so you've all been wormed.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I could use it meal of dirt.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Last night, April's like, what the hell's in the backyard.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Someone's digging things up and You're like, oh, I don't
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: know what it is.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: No, it's genius.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: With the technology, the advancements in medicine, it's phenomenal. You
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: know what we're doing now, we're disguising medicine and chocolate.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Oh really?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I was.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I was tricking La into thinking that she was having
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: a treat. Oh, it's like the Vita gummies, but like, yeah,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: as my kids to call it, think it's a lolli suckers.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, give it, give it to me, Lola,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and she's like fuck off.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Oh she couldn't get another chocolate.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So I'm tricked Lola into having chocolate.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Little do she know she's been d worms. Yeah, did
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: they have do you know if they'd ever you wouldn't
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: have known if they ever had worms, because they probably
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: just haven't had them.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: And I asked my mom.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I asked the same question of you know, like how
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: often did we get dewormed? And she was like, never
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: did it not once? Yeah, we went a wormed family.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: He always didn't get the taste of dirt. But I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: also think that I may have had worms for your
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: butty chi. Yeah, and I was always hungry, but you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: probably did, did you? We always hungry and never put
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: on weight. Yes, Oh, you had worms, I know. I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: was like, Mum, that's like you missed the mark there,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Like apparently.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Worms can also come through the balls of your feet.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: What Yeah, because my dad had worms not that long ago,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: because he was in They were in Indonesia, and my
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: dad's a classic that generation walks around barefoot in he
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: went through his feet. He used to walk to the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: paddock there to get to the surf and it would
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: be there'd be cowship and all sorts of Yeah, well,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I just so happened to have left over? Can we
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: can I try one? I thought you'd never ask. Just voluntarily.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Now I had four tablets and I feel great if
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I get sick, You're not going to get sick?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Is there worms in this? And you're like, so I
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: can have both of these, I'm not going to infect.
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah it's good right, Yeah, tasty, it's to be Caribe
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: carib Yeah, but of taste is lovely, right.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give it out of five on chocolate scale.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say it's better than Darry Milk.
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: Just kids deserve and those worms gone, They're all gone.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: How has the cartoon worm in the front that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Looks so happy one of them? Okay, okay, I have
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: no idea what I've just given you, By the way,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a chocolate square for threadworm, round worm and hookworm. All worms. Yes,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: as our producers also wipe them out.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: As a team, we need to do worm We're in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: this together, guys.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: That's good gear. It tastes very lovely, delicious. I might
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: have to get the kids some deworming. I look, honestly,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: April may have de wormed the kids. I don't know
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: if she did or do that. She might have all
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: of us and we've all fallen for that trick and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: she was just like, this will get them. But mate,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: that's lovely. One to day. I know, right, one a
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: day keeps the worms away. Lovely, that's good gear. How
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: are you? Theyms aside? Now, I know we did. Last
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: week we had I revealed my present to you for you,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: which was a tattoo of your name. People loved it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: People do love it. But Jess and I have got
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: you something I know to hate to carry it on
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and you don't. Basically, now they give you some context
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: of the gift. Yes, we'll cast your eyes back to
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the end of last year when you asked Santa for
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: something very specific and the boy inside you didn't get it. Well,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Jess and I have decided to be your Santa. Okay, okay,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go get it. That's not on my person.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: It's a time that it was on Jesus. But there
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: you go. Happy birthday. What your big kid. That's lovely,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: isn't it. That's sick because I remember you told me
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, that's a good gift and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: hoping you'd get it and you didn't. Is there a
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: good brand? Yeah, I went to a proper skate shop.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Well soon do you reckon? It's going to be until
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I break a bone twenty four hours.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Jess, thank you ask because I asked Laura again for
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a skateboard. Didn't get it, and I didn't get it,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and I thought, maybe it's a sign that I just
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: shouldn't get one.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: The little boy inside you wanted a skateboard, and I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: provided you and just provided you with a skateboard. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: think you deserve it. This is sick. Don't hurt yourself.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: The kids need the kids need it. Thank you, and
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: full disclosure. If you do die, I'm not helping out.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I've got my own kids to worry about. Bracket. That
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: is epic. Thank you, thank you. I don't deserve you,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and both of you. There we go. So that's that's
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: how I am. I'm well.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So is that the birthday finished? The birthday over?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I think the birthday is done for now? Yeah, okay,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: someone else's birthday soon, this guy.
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: I know?
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Hope?
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: No?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: No, August? Yeah, remember the day sixteen? Really good? No,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the eleventh, it's the eleventh, Matt. It's time to get
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: something off our chest, and I want to get something
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: off my chest really quick. Because the listeners have spoken.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: This hurts. It hurts a lot because I thought, and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: April even said to me she was like she saw
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the post and this is how slack she's been. She's
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: really behind on episodes, and she's like, I just listened
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to that song. It's horrible. And I was like, that's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the chart. That's the whole point, right, that's the whole point.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: It's horrible.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: But anyway, whatever, someone in Facebook group fucking hell, makeing us,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: making us work harder than they just asked, what's the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: favorite song out there? For the segments? Overwhelmingly tell me
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: it's beautiful, beautiful. It's a soothing hymn. And I thought,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: what said.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I thought we needed something a bit more grunge, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: we did it.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I listened back and I think we should
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: avoid rock.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: It sucks. Its very.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Very raspy, very very But at the time we were
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: like high fiving, like this is great footage. We put
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the vote out there and people were also like, we
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: want to hear samples before we commit to a vote,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: and I was like, what does it work like that?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a production company, just a couple
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of people laying around came out.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: So some of the options were hey, you by our cast, Like, yeah, okay,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: it good. I didn't you win scap Van, what the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: heck is that you know the Scapman's song.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: No what, I'm a scatman. I think what we should
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: do is make a song worse than the one we've got.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: No what other options we've got?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: So with the one that won, we've got should know
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Twain Twain? You said Twain should should? I Twain Twain?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: So I said Twain? Okay, man, I feel like a woman. Okay,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: how would that go?
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: No, I'm asking you're the composers.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: We haven't actually record I was trying to pretend that
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: we recorded it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, all right, whatever, let's go here it is anyway,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: we gotta pretend how good it was.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: That was great, full disclosure.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: We haven't recorded it. We record it, okay, so you
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: can have the old one. But now, gods, moving on.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I want to be previous. You say, what, man, I
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: feel like a parent.
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: Hey, I'm glad this is so funny. Good good to giggle.
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: It is good to giggle. Good? Actually should it's good
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: to giggle.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I guarded my rant. Now okay, great, do you kick
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: us off. I'm going to kick us off. We have
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: a residual I have a residual rant. So I had
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the issue where I didn't take the rubbish out. Remember
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I forgot and then missed the truck. And then people
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: had all their suggestions off the back of the episode
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: last week a week before.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: A lot of people asked you to burn down your house.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually I'd love to do. That would have been
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: awkward if you did it, it would have been And
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: then I got a lot of suggestions being like, call
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the council whatever, make up something, and I was like,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: this is my burden to deal with. So I snuck around.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Someone said call up the council and pretend like they
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: forgot you.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's just I'm throwing the poll of driver
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: under the bus. Then yeah, that's let's get him. And
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, I'll just creatively put it
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: into the neighbor's bits. And that was the solution. But
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: got me thinking about how small, and this is the rant,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: how fucking small that red bin is for a household,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Like you get a request a.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Big one, Yeah, I know, I know WHOA.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I got a friend who works in rubbish shout out
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: to my bins and I was like, hey, dude, surely
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: you've got a spare red bin and he was like,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: they won't pick it. Up. He's like you need to Actually,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, they know, they know, they have a
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: list of have a list of bins. Yeah, because if you.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Like street House number forty seven, well that's a bigger bin.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You can't go out like anything. It's part of
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: your rates depending on you have, like an enormous That's
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: what I need. My kids they go through so much.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it. But my rant
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: is the bin from day one. If it's a house
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and that bins that it's too small, it's too small,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: one more times too small small.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: You know what happened to me? Two things on the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: bin segment, just really quickly segment. One person message I
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: think they're from Ballarat, maybe part of the world, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: they said their bins get collected every two weeks.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I saw that right, So I was like, just wait
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: till X fortnite. Can you imagine that I'd live in
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: a dump?
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Imagine imagine that with a newborn child.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Far out.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: And also to add to that, so I collected our
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: bins last week and I was like, far out, I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: couldn't find my bin. I was like, all the bins
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: are being picked up, and then there was one there
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that was. I was like, it's not my red bin.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: It's a different number. And I was like, clearly someone's
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: taken it, and I was pissed off.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, so I took your bin, but I've
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: never once washed out my bin.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: The thing is, it's got like dog shit, like some
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: pancaked onto the bottom of the inside of the bin.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: The bin that was left Christine, I've upgraded.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: We accidental upgrade.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: It was great, except now bin's got collected today, my
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: bin's back.
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: They've realized, Yeah, do we know who it is. Yeah,
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: I got the number of being Gate. Let's call them.
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: I'd say, what say, hey, you took my clean bin,
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: and you just see what they say.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: But it has it has the house. It'd be funny
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: whatever next time. Just quickly on my rant that I did.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I thought I thought I was doing a rant that
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: would be reciprocated by people online.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Which one was that well?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I made the mistake though, the safe community, the podcast,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the judgmental community, social media, Okay, school holidays. I was
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: having a rant about the groups of teenage boys that
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: are going around the neighborhood with no respect for anyone
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: except for themselves. No helmets, cutting off traffic, almost causing
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: accidents left right and center.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Easy boomer.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: That's what people said, like did you turn twenty? Did
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you turn thirty eight or eighty? On the weekend?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Totally yeah, so okay you.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: People were like, people are really having to go with me.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I leave those boys alive.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Were like, the teenage boys, what do you want them
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to do? Just stay inside all day? And I was like, yeah, yeah, exactly,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: get off the road.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: You know when they're like when you try to get
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: rid of something, someone's like, don't get rid of them.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: They keep away the you know what I mean, Like
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: for example, it's like, don't get rid of the snakes.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: They keep away the rat Well, what are the teenage
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: boys keeping away?
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know where they keep it away.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: And I just want to say I think teenage boys
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: are great. I love that they're out there and joining
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the school holidays. But it's just when they're like weaving
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: in and out of traffic and they're doing wheelies.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: When they're when they're loitering. They're loitering, do you know what?
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: And look, this is kind of sort of spawn on
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: the end of the days. Yeah, I love spawn. I
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: know you have a third kid. You love spawn anyway,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: And it was the last day of school term and
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I stupidly went to the shops right on school finished.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: There's a high school across the road. I tell you
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: right now that time. It's like a prison yard. These kids,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: they're vapor. Yeah, how old are we? Immediately give us
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: a city? They're smoking? Guy, I used to smoke a
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: pack of Day. Yeah, the different times I would changed.
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Back in my day, we used to smoke winning rends
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: at the shopping Now they're vapor in the food court.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: But they're just they're up to no good.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I just want to say that, like, when you have
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: a rant, don't share it on social media because they'll
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: judge her. Here will embrace you regardless of the rant,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: regardless who's wrong or right.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Let's get on to a lesson ramp.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: This is from Brook and Her rant is when you're
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: at an appointment with your baby and they are in
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the pram with the swaddle covering them because they are
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: due for their nap. But the professional U were seeing
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: takes it upon themselves to remove the battle and start talking.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: To your baby. Why it's not your child the doctor's
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: appointment before the child. Good point we need more context.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I get if I'm assuming it's your point for the mum.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, all right with you the doctor, and like,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: let's just give a nod to the doctors the great
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: work in this country, not real doctors.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: But where is she rural?
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah that's something a rural doctor would Oh yeah, yeah,
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: that's rural behavior.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah that is from Darwin or somewhere somewhere. Look, yeah, look,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: leave the kids, let the kids sleep right, thank you,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and attend to the real patient, which is the mum.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So if you're listening in your doctor, hands off, buddy,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: all right next time. This one's from Charlotte. Oh this
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: is wow. The price of baby chinos. It's literally left
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: over steamed milk.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: How much is a baby chair? Not to sound like
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not and I hate to steal the words from Hamichnaniti,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: but not touch with the common man. But what's a
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: baby China's what? Dollar forty?
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't even know do they charge?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just paying? Why's my coffee cost eleven dollars? Well,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you get a marshmallow. Marshmallow is worth something? Well not really,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: we got the cup. You're paying for merchandise it's probably recycled,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you still got to.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Pay for it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe, I think I think there should be
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: like a minimum spend. If you're spending ten dollars, you
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: get a free baby chino.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Hear me out, go on, we should start a campaign
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that all baby chinos should be free. Okay, small businesses
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: are gonna hate this.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: No, because with free subsidized by the government, who's paying?
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: No, free with any a large coffee. So in other words,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: if I'm a parent and I'm like, I'll buy a
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: regular coffee, They're like, do you know if you get
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: a large coffee a free babycino for young fucking Timmy
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: over there? He's good. He's good, very good, Anita. I
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: think that's a good idea. I agree. We've got we've
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: got rants to get to. We can get around a
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: cafe and be like, hey, your baby gino's free? Why not?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Like a Current Affairs style.
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: I hate to cut you off, Sorry, but this one
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: is having fun, Anita.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Sorry, come on, you finished? Yeah, she says.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: School holidays day one and I'm already being driven mad
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: by my kids.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: We had day one yesterday and I had to take
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the kids to work with me. I don't really have
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a job, but I had to take them to me
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: to with me to do work. Yeah, I'm with a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent how why what? Anyway? Whatever? Fair rant,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: It's annoying, That's what it is. I've got one from
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Hannah starting a conversation telling me I looked, Oh my god,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: like that for into the category of what not decayed?
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Her parents like, you look tired? So anyway, would you
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: like a baby Tino? It's going to catch you.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: A last one here, it's from Dannielle. When I pick
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: up my kids from Nan and Pop and she smells
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: like their perfume alone, Oh.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Mothballs many that so oscar and that get home and
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: they're like, can they give you a b cuddle? And
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I smell their breath and it smells like Cabri chocolate.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, they've sugar, but yeah, if they come home,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: they smell like your NaN's Perfumela. Oh you're wearing too
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: much perfume anyway.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: And see that all those rants warm embrace from us?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: We love that?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Who else do we love Aldi for bringing this segment today?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Just low prices every day Aldi, good different matters that
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: time of the week where we take questions from the listeners.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know how that works. I
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: don't refresh my memory. They can send us a d M,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: they can send us NEMA. What that's great? Can I
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: get through it all? Sorry? Sorry? Also on the Facebook group,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: they ask us questions and we're here to serve.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: So we have some questions answers. Serve on a hot
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: plate answers. Wimbledon's on? Okay, okay, I go on for you? Yes,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and it is around propaganda.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: What sort of parenting propaganda are you not falling for? Okay?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Well one go? Okay, how many do you want to do?
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: How many this is we've got? I've got three?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Here, I got three? Okay, this one is the most important.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I think partly because she earns more money than me,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: but ma Mama should focus on parenting instead of their career.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: We're not having that, not falling for that propaganda. I'll
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: give you one. Cherish every moment? What about when you
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: get shot on? I'm not cherished in that moment? I
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: think like that is such like a you should really
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: cherish every moment like that sort of backhanded Okay, what
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: else you go?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Do you know who says that people who only parent
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: their kids like on the weekends. People who aren't really
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: in the trenches like.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Some of us.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: But it's the people whenever I be like, it goes
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: so fast, you have to enjoy it, it's someone who
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: only really parents, like they're working through the leg and
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: then they're on the weekends. And it's like if that
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: works for you, sure, what if they need to work
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to survive, survive. I'm not stop me from working, but
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you're not really getting a taste of what true parenting is.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Work early one day and come home with the bath routine.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Fuck now, cherish that. I feel like it's like just
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: continually yelling the same sentence every.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Night general parenting. One of the time.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Oh that's garbage. How do you get by with that?
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: They don't listen. No one's that nice.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Obviously, there are times where you can gentle parent. Whenever
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a gentle parent and it works, I'm like, good on you.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: But I also think the kids look at me like
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: what's going on with this guy?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I know they're like, shut up, just tell me what
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: to do, trying to nurse me into what to do, Like, yeah,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: not man, baby, smell amazing. No, I'm not falling for that,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: but they do. They don't. They're musky. I like dusty.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I like the obviously when they've like done a massive pooh,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I like I like the foot jam sour milk.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: It's cute. Oh, each their own, but that's I'm not
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: falling for that properly. Sorry, and thankfully I don't have
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: to because I'm not having any more kids. If you
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: used to hold your new kid.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: This is one that I'm trying to instill into Laura. Okay,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: we're still working on it. But the house shouldn't be
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: cleaned when guests the right, So.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: You think you should be dirty? Yeah, I think there's
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: got to be a middle ground. Matthew, I think presentable.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: If you got kids, it's fine. I think it's fine
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: to a degree, but you're not going to walk in
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and there's fucking shit over the floor.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Well, obviously there's a line somewhere that's saying there has
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to be a middle ground.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: But the washing can be on the table, that's fair,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: thank you, not on the floor though.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't expect this segment to go this way.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, whatever, my last one, whatever me, My last
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: one is sibling love is beautiful. It's not annoying. It's
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: so annoying. Like I wish my kids just flat out
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: out of each other because they're like play nice for
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: one say, and then all of a sudden there's like
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: beat down city.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: My kids are really into hitting each other, like full
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: upper cutting, like punch on, that's a good right hook,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: but stop that.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: And Oscar was like, like, kid his sister a little bit.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: It's never anything. It's more like annoying to annoy. And
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: then Oscar like the other day was like Mace's biding
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: me and I was like, come here, Oscar. I'm like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: was she biting you or not? He was like I
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: thought she was going to. I was like, bro, it
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't work, Like, doesn't work like that, mate, So that's propaganda.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not falling for.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Well said, I asked just one more question, if this
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: one's from Kirsty. She would love to know what's the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: most feral thing your kid has ever done in public?
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Oh it's a long list. Well, let's cast our memories
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: back to a story I did tell on this podcast
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: early on in this in its inception, I.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Think it was like, wow, I have a way with words.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: It was it must have been within the first like
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: ten twenty epps.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you want to go back and listen
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: to that and represents, that'd be great things. I told
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: a story where I take one kid shopping because it's
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: too hard with both to do the big shop. And
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I got a milkshake for Oscar and I to share,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: mainly for me and for Oscar to have a little
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: bit flavor. It was Honeycomb. Honeycomb, yeah, I love that lava.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: And we were in the shops. I had given it
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: to him to have a set, and I was like,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: turn to get what we needed it and I took
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: a little bit longer, not really noticing, and I turned
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: around and Oscar had finished the milkshake. Disappointing for you. Disappointing, Yeah,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: that's not the feral part. The feral part is he
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: started to shiver and I was like, you cold. He
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: went into shock. Listen, we're not in the dairrea, We're
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: not in the cold section. We're like, he's got hypothermia.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: We're mid shops and he's like because the milkshake was
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: so cold, he he's like shivering and he's in the trolley.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: See a leader of ice cream. Literally, he's more ice
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: cream than person. At the moment, it was like, I
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: was like, what's wrong. I realized body temper is just battling.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: It was struggling to survive. Anyway, I've like taken the
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: lid off, thankfully, I've taken the lit off to look
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: in and he's really cleared that out. I'm no wonder.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: He's shivering and I was like, are you okay? And
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: he was like a brave bade yeah, and then he's
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: gone pale. I'm like, there's a vomit coming here, and
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: he's instincts kicked. Yeah, he projectile vomited. I've caught every
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: drop in back into the cup, okay, and he's like
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: caught it all, like the best perfect catch ever. And
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: it was still cold when it came back out. You
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: know when like you were younger and you did a
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: beer bong and you spewed it back up and it
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: was still cold. That's what it was. Anyway, got much
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  Speaker 2: better after that, but people in that aisle, what am
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I watching here?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Nice to have a little flashback into what Ash's youth
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: was like, But yeah, that was disgusting that actually that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: could that could work for our next segment.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: What's the next segment? Parenting wins.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is a win. Rub that in, big guy. Yeah,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: we love wins that you can rub in. You know
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: what else you can rub in? Parenting wins would not
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  Speaker 2: Rub now available in new lavendercent Okay, first, this one's
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: from Bronti. Getting in the car after six pm, risky
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: kids fall asleep, but then you're able to carry them
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: to bed without waking. Hal alujah.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a parenting win.
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  Speaker 2: That's a parenting miracle. That is outstanding stuff. Rub that in,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Rub that right in.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Ooh, Sarah from a teacher. We don't often get submissions
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: from a teacher, but we love them. And she says,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I got to pee and eat my lunch without interruptions
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: from the kids.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Very good. Also, what's the deal with that staff room?
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: What's going on in there? There's always off limits? You
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: know how that one teacher come against me?
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Do you want because they just want to have their lunch,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: They're all like, what's going on there?
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Just act a little bit more like it's you'd be
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: welcome and the kids won't care what's in there? Like yeah,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I know, it's like, what are you guys? Up to
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: what are you hiding? What are you hiding in? There?
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Got like hot tubs something right. This one's from Simone.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I've convinced my kids that keys is actually cake. Did
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: not see that coming? Genius when rub it in? Next one,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I love lying to kids and making them, making them
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: think that's something healthy.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Is a treat, diud.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: You just like the satisfaction when you get away with it.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Anyway. This is from Matthew, great name.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: By the way, our youngest wake up at five am
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: instead of three am.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Oh hell good? Other braid do? It's so good when
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: they sleep in? Is that a sleep in?
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: No?
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: But so good when they actually sleep in. You'll take it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I'll take it. I'll take that extra two hours, okay.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I go on from Amanda turning everything into a race
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: because her competitive nature has well and truly clicked in.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Race to the car, race upstairs and rush your teeth,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: race to get undressed the shower. I let her win
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: every time. That's always a good one for kids.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: For girls, I think it kicks in later. Oh yeah yeah,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: And so as a girl, dad, when you could start
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: doing like competitive races for any little crappy activity.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I've been doing it for years, all right, legend, because
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: it's a boy. You're a great parents tory.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I have a three and a four year old and
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: deciding what to make them for breakfast is always a disaster.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: So I've created laminated pictures of breakfast options and they
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: walk and just point to which one they want.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Genius. That's a hack. If anything, that's a hall.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: So it must be nice with the kids have all
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: these choices, just like pointing at the.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Like purage this daddy. I love the Parrish. We're a
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: porridge family. Do you see that meme? It was like
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I get it now with the like little red riding
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: hood or whatever it was, and it was like mum
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: and Mum's porridge is too cold, Dad's is too hot,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: but the kids is just right. I think about that
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: on a deeper level, all right, Ash.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: That is parenting wins for this week, which I love
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: it when parents rub it in.
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  Speaker 2: for use. Matthew have some terrible news. That's dreadful. That's
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• 56:05
  Speaker 2: long while. It's disappointing, isn't it. It has been I'm hungry.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I'm very hungry. Okay, I apologize hate. I hate when
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I yell at you. I need a gentle friendship you.
• 56:16
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• 56:18
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