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La periodista Carme Chaparro: “Todo el dolor de las tragedias de los informativos acaba saliendo en mis novelas” · Autoras de palabra con Rosa

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Snuggled under the sheets, she closes her eyes like she' s asleep so
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she won' t be discovered by her child. Wait till the little one
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jumps on the bed humming happy birthday with the craving for his mom to open
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her gift. It' s the game every 17th of April, a call
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bursts the bedside table. The voice of a TV show host warns him that
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he is indirect and that his gift is in the drawer of the T-
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shirts. He has to open the box inside is the horror punishment Carmen chaparro
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En. Word authors with pink Welcome Hello. Thank you, thank you.
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You have a skill that, I mean, leaves me paralyzed. I'
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ve started this introduction that I' ve summed it up a little bit because
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it' s just what I start reading and then I say good is how
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it does it. I mean, he' s already got me stuck in
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the book and I' m not moving out of here until I finish it,
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because my head doesn' t stop. And this occurred to me because
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listening to Anda already of the top forty who have a birthday section, they
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call birthday girls like that to give them a surprise and they tell them go
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to the third drawer of the dresser that they have left you a gift and
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one day taking the girls to school that we hear, Go already I thought
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and nobody has used it to get revenge on someone type photographs that I have
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caught you with your lover or things like that. I' m not saying
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how good people are, because no one has used them for something like that.
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And then I saw one more step and if you start a novel with
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someone who uses this, for this radio show in the morning to get revenge
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or to start with the horror that is serving you on a tray or in
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a gift box. In this case, a person' s mind keeps flying.
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It' s many years of reporting tragedies. Then I always take them
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home. I think a lot about them, I think a lot about the
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victims and I think that that, in the end, all that pain and
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all that stuff ends up going out ingenis salts. Yeah, now we'
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ll talk about a little bit more of the novel. Logically, but the
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main theme, above all, is the issue of motherhood from different points of
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view, suffered from different backgrounds, and the need to want to be a
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mother, not be able to become a mother. Everything you' ve got
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comes behind you. I don' t know that I don' t want
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to delve into it, because it' s about reading the novel, but
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that approach you make of children, adoption, etcetera, etcetera. Talk to
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me, but in a good way not to do in general, thank you,
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Sparley, because then we' re going to shred a little other stuff.
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Well, obviously, it' s a story in which the protagonists are
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the children, children who suffer many times when parents realize, fathers who suffer
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mothers, who suffer the craving of some mothers and some fathers or women and
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men, in this case, for wanting to have children and how they manage
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to have them. Then. That anxiety about having children, especially if you
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want to have a biological child, can destroy many people. It destroys you
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and if you haven' t gone through, the women we haven' t
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gone through. We don' t even know how to put ourselves in the
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skin of another woman who is in that process and who can' t or
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can' t, can' t or can' t or can' t,
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in the same way that we can' t put ourselves in the skin
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of someone young who drags perhaps without knowing it, and often without knowing it,
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the physical sequels, because that leaves physical sequels in your brain if you
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haven' t wanted enough when you were a child and in the end is
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more than motherhood. It is the child seen from many points of view,
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since being so, so, so desired, but not to become loved or
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loved, but to be treated in a way like those children who cry and
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cry and cry in the cribs at night and who stop crying, not because
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they learn not to cry the crib at night, but because they swell with
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cortisol and their small bodies cannot expel the cortisol, which is the stress hormone,
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and they give up exhausted and sleep and end up sleeping exhausted in the
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crib. Then, in the end, I did it perhaps more than around
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motherhood, around children and the suffering of children, more than the mother of
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that desire to want to be a mother or not, that also that everything
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is linked, because in the end, everything forms a puzzle, a set.
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You said that not only does that lack of affection influence or that child
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who does not grow up in his childhood, he does not have a childhood.
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I' m going to say in normal quotes also influences physically you reflect
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it in your book The brain grows less yes than it should grow. I
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have been struck by my ignorance, this, but it has left me a
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little out of place, as it is a study being done in the United
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Kingdom. Older people, as I will remember in the 1990s, when Ke
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Chauchesco, the dictator of Romania, and televisions enter the country and enter orphanages
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and give horror. Those chauchescu orphanages were horror. Three- year- olds
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taking care of completely abandoned babies, hungry dirty. And then there was an
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hour of solidarity in Europe, especially to welcome them and to lead them to
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have, to choose them, to have families. And then in the United
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Kingdom a very interesting study has been made of following all those children who either
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months or years of age were adopted by families who have given them absolute love
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and those children carry physical sequels that they do not even know, but which
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are seen very clearly in medical examinations. They drag physical sequels into the brain
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of all two, that suffering they had as children of everything, that abandonment
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that they felt of all those children that I read, children that swayed alone
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that when they were adopted, in which the parents said what happens to this
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child of two or three years or to this baby that when I leave him
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in bed to sleep, he moves only forwards backwards. He' s got
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something, he' s got a tick, he' s got a bad
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spine, he' s got a bad head, and he' s not
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And that baby had learned to swing just because no one was swinging it.
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My flour skin is put back on, and when I read it clearly,
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no one would come in to sleep. Then they had learned to sit alone
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because in the end, when they were in their mother' s gut,
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they slept with the movement of walking and floated in the amniotic fluid. Yeah,
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and I don' t want to reveal much of the novel, but
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there' s a part of the plot that goes around. Vamora for those
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children who have suffered so much and who are not aware of how that has
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impacted their brains and how that scientifically is measured. And the reader who wants
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to be curious more there are so many. There is this study that you
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can find on the Internet very easily for a note to then delve into the
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novel you also speak about already in Spain. You say whores, leftists,
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libertines, sex, pregnant, singles, teenagers, strays, smokers. They
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are women with social deviations, care, employers of protection for women, abandoned
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babies and parents who want to be parents and cannot. That' s a
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little what you just said. But look at what group gets into all kinds
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of women. We have said with social deviations. Well, that' s
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what Francoism thinks, the women will be submissive and my mother had to ask
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my father' s permission to open an account at the bank It would be
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like it' s a long way away, but no. When I was
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born I lived frankly and I couldn' t put karma on Ney' s
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because you couldn' t register Catalan names yes, of course not so long
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ago. And these institutes for the protection of women, which in reality they
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were hiding were reformatory to put them straight, existed until the year eighty-
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five in Spain, before yesterday, before yesterday, and let' s say
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that I don' t want to reveal it, but there was an event
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in the year eighty- three here in Madrid, in one of those patronages,
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that made people realize what was in there and go out into the street
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to protest and then, in a couple of years, they all were dismantled.
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But that sense of society, or a certain part of society, that
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women who have to be the way they want them to be, and in
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which many women of Francoism also participated, but they participated because they made them
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believe that that was the reality. If you don' t tell a girl
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she can be an astronaut, she' ll never think of being an astronaut.
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A child tells her that life is like this, that you have to
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be. So it' s very difficult to get out of the box and
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think that women can be something else. Yes, we can think, we
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can think, we can study, we can buy a flat alone, we
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can smoke, we can be right or left, we can be people,
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we can be people independent of what we think of our husbands or our wives.
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That' s right. We' re going with that surprise, that
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box that we' re not going to say contains, obviously, but who
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' s going to carry out the investigation. Well, what the characters you
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rescue from crime, then, for example, Santi describe to them the following
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way and you say forget to stop thinking, just focus on surviving. The
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theory also demonstrates many methods of mistreating the right to make your life. Even
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if you don' t seem to fit any santi just landed from a transoceanic
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flight. Santi returns santihuel For those who have read crime punishment begins six months
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later and Santis has gone six months to punish himself. Santi is super gifted.
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It doesn' t fit anywhere. He' s got one now.
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Not only is he super gifted because he is able to do a lot of
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things or to fit in or have a lot of information in his brain,
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but his way of thinking is different from everyone else' s. So,
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santi has decided to go to a place where he doesn' t have to
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use his brain and where the physical abuse he' s being abused is so
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great that he can' t even think, so he just has to focus
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on surviving and santi starts the novel landing at Madrid airport and goes straight to
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do his job. Or the work I had six months ago, which was
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forensic and bet, because we have it six months later on something that will
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completely change his life and that and that makes us think a lot about many
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things as well. And lighted up, because I wanted to give him a
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no prize. Enlightened. It' s that reporter or that woman already in
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her 50s. There are many who say what they want, that they don
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' t care about everything and that they have no hairs in their tongue and
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I served very well I say well, because I' m going to ceo
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it from a national case of television that there is no one and because it
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will release a few phrases that I think many women will laugh at me in
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many men will laugh so well, but they contain a lot of truth.
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And then, lighted up all of a sudden, they make it seo of
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the channel in which he worked and lands also in a complicated world, which
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is the world of tables, these long nets. You know about you,
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the sooner I passed the cloth we' d have were from when we were
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yes and we saw it so natural. Yes and we saw it so natural,
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the two women cleaning up the boss' s table and landing that world
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and we see how she fits in and finds it hard to get used to
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being aware that she has power and that she has power above those people.
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And I also like the lighted lace. That' s where I like the
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relationship that comes with verse. Yeah, right, how you describe it,
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what you say in journalism and life. She' s always been attached to
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her faults, to her skirts, sorry. They need each other. Or
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Illuminated has the experience of caressing. Today he is sixty years old and Berta
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cannot say, but he returns after six months. Like santi I like that
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six- month thing because it' s a key that you realize as you
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go reading the book clear, you realize why you take sleeping pills and you
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don' t know anything and it' s our fault. I think there
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' s always guilt in my books, always being very guilty these two.
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There' s always guilt in my books. But I think we all live
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with that sense of guilt when something goes wrong, yes, even when something
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doesn' t go wrong. I think there are people to see. The
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only ones who don' t feel guilty are psychopaths. But we have that
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feeling of guilt that if I had done this there, the other thing would
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have been done there, yeah, just like there. Anyway, the guilt
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can be great, the guilt can be small. The blame may be because
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you get a slap on a child, because I pay a shout to a
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boss or something very small. Oh well fuck, because I should have done
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Gymnastics. Today I' m done. I should have woken up half an
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hour earlier, like it' s happened to me already. I should have
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gotten up at six in the morning and got six and a half and had
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a little exercise and I' ve been thinking all day is that I was
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pissed off and you get frustrated. Yeah, I' m, oh,
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I' m, I' m the revere of whipping. I think we
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' re all going to go on with feelings, with emotions, just like
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jealousy blames it, but before jealousy, hate. Hatred generates revenge, punishment
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to the point of committing atrocities. Yeah, and it' s sad,
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right, because there' s a lot of people who don' t know
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how to live but day. You need to hate something, you need to
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hate something It' s always like the abuser, the stalker in a class,
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things to things. There' s someone in there who applauds you.
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And if that someone, for whatever it is from school, you have to
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find yourself another victim. You' re nobody without a victim, and then
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there are haters who are nothing but a person to hate are nobody. They
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' re full of insecurities, they' re full of fears. Then there
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are people who build the basis of hating others. But it' s just
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so sad when you hate someone. First, because you are giving importance in
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your exact life, no, no, it is not important in my life
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to God. And second, because the time you could spend enjoying, looking
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at the roof, enjoying anything that all that time illustrating and those energies you
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' re devoting to hating someone. It' s just absurd, it'
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s just bad for you all that time it' s bad for you.
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It' s just that it' s hurting you to hate others, is
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that you enjoy taking a reed with olives in hating the exact companion. It
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will be the happiest thing and jealousy, because I think it goes on the
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same level as mild. Not because you hate someone, because you' re
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jealous of that person for anything. And jealousy has a lot to do with
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insecurities. Also feeling that I' m the person who should have done this.
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I' m the one who should have gotten that promotion, the one
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who should be there, the one who should have won the tennis game I
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don' t care if the others can be, because the game a tennis
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game with someone and the lost should have won. I have to get rid
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of all that to live much happier. I think that with age I am
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learning to do that exercise of getting rid of all those things, that all
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they do is alter my bile by the body you get rid of that about
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because you already start to say what you think and already you are or sometimes
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not to say it many times, but to think about it, to think.
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But am I not going to let this person take up time in my
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life? When I' m in my house looking at the roof, I
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don' t care doing anything, I' m not going to let that
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person take up time in my life? She can call you your mother,
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have a conversation with her, and realize that you' re talking to a
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computer program or not. Yes, artificial intelligence is in your book and the
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ability it has to deceive us. Well, it just started. It'
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s just begun. It' s just begun. You can resurrect a dead
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person if you have too much or enough voice file that I think now,
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with whatsapp messages. He' s got enough voice file. Imagine for the
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people that we are public people, the hours and hours that open my video
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file and voice on the Internet, in the archive of my television and can
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call you your mother and you don' t realize that it is an artificial
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intelligence. That is why governments have to work hard on laws that protect our
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citizens. Or so it' s all those things that don' t because
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look at the mother. It' s an anecdote, it' s a
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point of the novel, but yes, yes, but I mean it'
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s an anecdote that creates an image. If your mother calls you, it
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' s a jiji haja, because it' s not my mother, it
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' s a program. But let them make you believe that a politician,
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a football player, that a person has generated some altercations wherever, and that
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you believe it because you also live in that sphere in which you believe those
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things, because you are ideologically predisposed and you only drink of that which gives
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you the Internet, which is to feed the gasoline of your own ideology.
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It' s the dangerous thing. I' m now going to start a
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master' s degree in generational artificial intelligence to get a little bit in the
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way of all this, because I want to learn how to program artificial intelligence
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and I want to learn who knows for the next bride as well. I
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am already floating my hands for your next no, but also to defend myself,
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also to defend myself and with the wonderful things that could be done with
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artificial intelligence and that, if we were able to do them, for the
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good of society, not for the good of a few, but for the
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good of the whole society. We' d get a society where we'
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d still have to work an hour or two hours a day and artificial intelligence
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would do the rest, do the rest, and that would be wonderful.
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But one must think of the good of all, of the good of a
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few. I agree. I' m thinking about your master' s degree,
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because I start next week. I' ll call next week. I
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' ll ask you very much, not for anything, simply for a matter
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of time. You' re also talking about the media. When media news
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pops up and when the police themselves sometimes drop, slide, drop some of
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the news to tell it good. Sometimes it' s a pact that we
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have journalists and cops asking us to release something because they need someone to get
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nervous. Let' s vote for that pact. He tells of this that
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the judge has authorized us. You listen to such a person or we'
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re following him and we need him to get phenomenal nervous. We count it.
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Sometimes they are also friends who tell you internal research things, egos of
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many people who work in research and that because when they bring us news that
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when they bring us together so many challenges, we want to be the first
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to spread it. That way because we love it, we love to carry
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information. Thus, there are also people working on certain investigations. They love
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to call the journalist and he hears talk to this journalist. I' m
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going to tell you one thing that' s so, but it' s
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true that a lot of the way we shut up a lot of times because
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many times the police tell us look we know who it is. But we
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' re waiting for any story that comes in the annals and that comes in
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so they tell us who it is. Please don' t put it on
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the target. Wait till they make it clear, of course, and I
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think your job as journalists is also to help that, not to burst an
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investigation. And we do. The diameter of a hair is the size of
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the bubble where we live locked up or live in society itself. Yes,
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and each one of you. The problem is that everyone lives in their own
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and that the Internet and artificial intelligence and these micro search engines that are know
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how to place the ad and the concrete news, because they know how old
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you are what you think about the shampoo that you have already bought everything,
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everything, everything from you and know how to place that. The announcement you
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' re looking at is just an announcement, but the real or false news.
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What' s going to make you sit down for days is that this
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is my candidate. You' re strengthening your own idea. Not that'
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s the problem, we' re all in our bubbles. But as it
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happens at home, TV used to be the center of the family and then
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you at night I watched TV with a book, but we were all in
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the living room. Yeah, even if we didn' t talk to each
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other because you were watching the show and but we were all together. Now
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houses are bubbles of people watching their gadgets and there may be one watching TV
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in the living room. But another one is seeing lighpad in the room or
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in the living room itself, watching the cell phone with the helmets. Then
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those bubbles have isolated us even from our own family. We don' t
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have that time to meet in front of the TV and be a family anymore.
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Yes, it' s true in this one I was going to say
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Carmen' s perverse mind, not by God, but her way of writing
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you say. There is an easy way to cause a lot of pain without
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leaving marks on the body, without even using physical force. I give ideas
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and it' s as easy as cold. I mean, it' s
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amazing, it' s touching me not to see people read it and see
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it and I know what it is but. Yes, it is true that
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this also generates so much concern for anyone who hears the pox he wants to
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read. But it' s an incredible instrument of torture. It is an
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instrument of torture that is used, that leaves no marks, that hurts whatever
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it is, I don' t want to imagine it, or how cold
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I am, but that hurts very much and that is very, very,
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very effective. And then, in one part of the novel there' s
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a character who uses it, not to torture someone, but to torture himself
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and not do something he doesn' t want to do. Then he violates
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pain himself so he doesn' t do something he doesn' t want to
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do. And you' ll see how he does it. You have to
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read punishment. Of course, as we were talking about it being a book
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mostly of childhood children, it ended up like a phrase from you. Childhood
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doesn' t stay in the past. Childhood is the child that walks with
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you every day holding hands with you the child that makes you die of fear
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with him or that you distress the child that cries at night in bed.
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This kid' s going with you everywhere. The boy goes with you everywhere.
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You' re the kid that you were that' s and the fears
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you had when you were a kid and the harassment you suffered in school or
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the harassment you caused another kid. All that is in you and it marks
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you physically by the way you are inside, by the way your brain is
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in and it marks you emotionally by how you relate to the environment. You
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' re that kid, and that kid' s always there with you,
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even if you don' t think so. It' s brutal punishment.
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This Carmen story is a pleasure. Thank you very much.