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UK Column News Podcast 24th January 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday, the twenty fourth of January twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock and welcome to uk
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Speaker 1: column News. I'm your host Mike Robinson. Joining me in
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Speaker 1: the studio today is Patrick Hennison. Welcome to the program. Patrick,
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Speaker 1: great to be with you, Mike, and by videolink we
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Speaker 1: have Debbie Evans and Mark Anderson. Now we're going to
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Speaker 1: begin today with well, Ukraine negotiations are they happening? Are
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Speaker 1: they not happening? What is the Donald up to?
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Speaker 2: That's the big question. Negotiations Are they going to happen?
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Speaker 2: That's all up in the air at the moment. Mike,
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Speaker 2: so kind of well, we got this video clip from
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He's talking to the press and what he's
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Speaker 2: saying is quite shocking. They're going crazy in Russia right
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Speaker 2: now listening to some of this stuff that Trump's saying.
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Speaker 2: So we've just got one snippet here and we'll share
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Speaker 2: this with you right now.
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Speaker 3: Trying to speak to President Putin could be very soon.
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Speaker 1: And and you've talked a bit about Ukraine in Russia,
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Speaker 1: but how long do you think.
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Speaker 4: It would take to end that conflict?
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Speaker 5: And I have to speak to President put.
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Speaker 6: We're gonna have to find out he's not.
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Speaker 3: He can't be thrilled. He's not doing so well.
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Speaker 6: I mean, he's grinding it out. But most people thought
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Speaker 6: that war would have been over in about one week
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Speaker 6: and now.
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Speaker 5: You're into three years, right, So he can't be he
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Speaker 5: can't be thrilled. It's not making him look very good
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Speaker 5: now eventually, you know, I mean it's a big machine,
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Speaker 5: so things will happen.
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Speaker 3: But uh, I think he'd be very well off to
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Speaker 3: end that war.
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Speaker 6: We have numbers that almost a million Russian soldiers have
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Speaker 6: been killed, about seven hundred thousand Ukrainian soldiers are killed. Uh,
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Speaker 6: Russian is bigger, they have more soldiers to lose, but
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Speaker 6: that's no way to run a country.
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Speaker 2: I I don't know where he's getting in intel from
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Speaker 2: or who's advising him, but that's the craziest thing I've
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Speaker 2: you know, we've been listening to commentary for three years,
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Speaker 2: right from even the most extreme anti Russian people haven't
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Speaker 2: said that Russia has lost a million soldiers or that
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Speaker 2: Ukraine's lost seven hundred thousand. So, like, what's going on?
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Speaker 2: You know, who's advising Donald Trump? And he seems clueless
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Speaker 2: completely clueless, and then he's saying that, you know, the
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Speaker 2: war should have been over in a week. That's another
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Speaker 2: sort of trope that's been recycled from the beginning.
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Speaker 7: Putin's not doing so well.
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Speaker 2: The Russian economy is doing better than the European economy,
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Speaker 2: arguably better than in some cases, even better than the
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Speaker 2: US economy on some levels. And they've gained territory so
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Speaker 2: dom Bass Crimea. The longer the war goes on. I
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Speaker 2: think we've had this conversation exactly for a while ago.
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Speaker 2: What is Donald Trump thinking? And is this his negotiation positions?
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Speaker 2: I think he's well behind the April on this, well
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Speaker 2: behind the April, and so what's going to happen.
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Speaker 7: How's he going to compensate? Well, we can talk about that.
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Speaker 1: Was what were his comments on Twitter?
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, truth social let's throw this up on screen.
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Speaker 2: This is even more shocking here. This is I'm looking
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Speaker 2: I'm not looking to hurt Russia, I love the Russian people, etc.
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Speaker 2: Going on about Russia Gate, and then he says Russia
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Speaker 2: lost sixty million lives during the Second World War. That's
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Speaker 2: a crazy number. The highest I've seen is twenty five
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Speaker 2: million in total, sixty million lives in World War two?
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Speaker 2: This is insane and so where is this stuff coming from?
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Speaker 2: So they're going they're having kittens right now. In Russia.
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Speaker 2: If you watch Russian TV, they're like, who is this guy?
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Speaker 2: What is he talking about? Can we take him seriously?
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Speaker 2: That's the conversation in the Russian Security Council, you know,
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Speaker 2: big programs, and some of the political experts are like,
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Speaker 2: you know, who does Donald Trump even have a clue
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Speaker 2: what's going on? And it's almost kind of insulting for
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Speaker 2: to give such crazy depictions of World War two to
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Speaker 2: Russians is kind of a crazy thing. And Trump's gone
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Speaker 2: and done it, so, I don't know, really unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, what are the prospects for a dale.
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Speaker 2: Well, he thinks that he can just bulge in and
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Speaker 2: be Donald Trump and that he believes all the hype
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Speaker 2: and his mandate and everything like that. And it's not
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Speaker 2: going to work like that with the Russians. You can't
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Speaker 2: go into it. I'm Donald Trump. You're going to do
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Speaker 2: it this way. This is the way I want it done,
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Speaker 2: and you're going to do it or all hell's going
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Speaker 2: to break loose. This is not it's not going to
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Speaker 2: work like this isaking well in terms of Ukraine. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we can talk about some of the analysis on this,
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Speaker 2: but it looks to me like, well, right now all hell.
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Speaker 7: Is breaking loose.
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Speaker 2: So Ukraine just launched drone attacks in not one, not two,
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Speaker 2: not three, but ten different regions Bryansk, Kursk, and all
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Speaker 2: the way down to Crimea. I look at all these
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Speaker 2: separate drone attacks while Zelenski is in Davos basically making
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Speaker 2: his plea for money weapons. He wants two hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: NATO troops peacekeeping troops in Ukraine or what's left of Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: And so this is what you're looking at here, Mike,
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Speaker 2: is this is designed to prevent any meaningful negotiations from happening.
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Speaker 2: So this is coming from the deep state. They haven't
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Speaker 2: done the change over at the CIA yet, so they're
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Speaker 2: probably the British or no doubt, pushing this hard because
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Speaker 2: the British don't want to see any serious peace negotiations there.
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Speaker 2: They just want the status quo, which is weapons tensions,
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Speaker 2: escalation and re bolstering the NATO frontline, the new line
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Speaker 2: of contact between East and West.
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Speaker 7: That's the agenda.
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Speaker 2: So I think Trump could very well be put into
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Speaker 2: a status quo position, and all this talk before the
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Speaker 2: election about I'm going to solve this in twenty four
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Speaker 2: hours is going to really look like vaporware.
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Speaker 1: I think absolutely, and maybe some echoes of the first
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Speaker 1: term where he was managed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's the one that gave lethal aid first
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Speaker 2: to Ukraine in his first term, even when Obama wouldn't
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Speaker 2: do it. They got Trump to do it, and they
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Speaker 2: used Russia Gate to kind of browbeat him to become
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Speaker 2: more hawkish against Russia. You're going to see that with
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Speaker 2: the sanctions as well. He's going to be very hawkish
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Speaker 2: on sanctions now because if he can't get this deal done,
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Speaker 2: he'll try to use sanctions and other coercive methods, and
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Speaker 2: that's going to really upset allies like India. For instance,
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Speaker 2: they're threatening secondary sanctions on India because of the oil
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Speaker 2: trade with Russia. I mean, that's not going to go well,
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Speaker 2: but he'll try to use that as leverage for tariff negotiations.
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Speaker 7: So this is just going to be crazy.
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Speaker 1: The first one days, well, yesterday he announced a new
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Speaker 1: flurry of executive orders. The first to be mentioned is crypto,
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Speaker 1: because he's decided to make the United States where he
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Speaker 1: said the crypto capital of the world. So let's have
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Speaker 1: a look at the announcement.
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Speaker 3: And there's David is.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is the crypto eo.
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Speaker 2: We're going to be forming an internal working group to
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Speaker 2: make crypto, to make America the world capital in crypto
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Speaker 2: under your.
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Speaker 8: Leadership, which is really going up right absolutely, David, Thanks
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Speaker 8: for you.
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Speaker 9: Thanks you find them exciting.
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Speaker 6: Okay, might not be, e said, but we're going to
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Speaker 6: make a lot of money for the country.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's going to make a lot of money
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Speaker 1: for the country. Well, come on to why that might
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Speaker 1: be in a second. This follows the executive order releasing
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Speaker 1: the Silk Road founder Ross Olbrick. Does I promoss his name?
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Speaker 1: Olbrich was convicted in twenty fifteen of involvement in narcotics
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Speaker 1: and money laundering, that's how it was described. Anyway, he
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Speaker 1: was sentenced to life in prison, and this was because
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Speaker 1: the claim was, or the allegation was that the conviction
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Speaker 1: was based on the idea that he had been selling
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Speaker 1: illegal drugs in return for bitcoin, as well as selling
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Speaker 1: hacking equipment and stolen passports. And they also the prosecutors
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Speaker 1: also claimed that he had organized six murders for her,
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Speaker 1: including one against a former Silk Road employee, although they
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Speaker 1: did then acknowledge that no evidence existed that any killings
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Speaker 1: were actually carried out. So Ulbrich was unsurprisingly pretty ecstatic
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Speaker 1: to be released, and he posted his comments on x
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Speaker 1: Here's a short excerpt of what he had to say.
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Speaker 7: Last night.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump granted me a full pardon. I was doing
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Speaker 3: life without parole and I was locked up for more
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Speaker 3: than eleven years. But you let me out. I'm a
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Speaker 3: free man now. So let it be known that Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump is a man of his word.
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see whether he is on the broad scale.
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Speaker 1: But do you think there's a connection between this bitcoin
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Speaker 1: executive order and the executive order to.
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Speaker 2: Release therrect There's definitely a connection because Ross Obrick held
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Speaker 2: I don't know how much a lot of bitcoin, well,
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Speaker 2: in excess of a billion dollars, I'm probably underestimating that massively,
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Speaker 2: and that was meant to be auctioned off. And so
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Speaker 2: the bitcoin is still an escrow, that's my understanding of it.
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Speaker 2: But will that end up being in the strategic reserves
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Speaker 2: in the US Treasury of Donald Trump's new bitcoin hedge
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Speaker 2: or strategic reserve? So that's a question that's unknown.
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Speaker 7: So it was seized. I think that was seized.
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Speaker 2: And he's been collecting bitcoin since twenty twelve or thirteen,
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Speaker 2: or since the beginning or twenty ten, So he has
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Speaker 2: a huge arguably one of the biggest bitcoin fortunes.
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Speaker 7: In the world.
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Speaker 2: But it's not his anymore. It's in the custody of
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Speaker 2: the US government. So that's it's been released.
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Speaker 1: But he may not be getting that back.
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Speaker 7: I don't think.
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Speaker 2: I can't see him getting it back, but it might
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Speaker 2: be favors in kind. But it's a huge case because
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Speaker 2: it's really about you know, are you guilty for everything
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Speaker 2: illegal that goes on on your platform? Right or you
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Speaker 2: just facilitator. They shut him down, but they weren't happy
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Speaker 2: with just shutting him down. They wanted to destroy him
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Speaker 2: personally and make an example out of him. So this
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Speaker 2: is reversed part of that story. And so that's I
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Speaker 2: think a huge thing. And all the libertarians and people
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Speaker 2: are going wild celebrating right now, what a great victory
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Speaker 2: for justice.
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Speaker 7: This is?
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Speaker 1: Okay? Well, another executive order that was signed yesterday was
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Speaker 1: for the declassification of files relating to John F. Kennedy,
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Speaker 1: Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, or at least
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Speaker 1: were they, because in fact, what has actually been organized
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Speaker 1: is that the security services in the US have fifteen
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Speaker 1: days to come up with a plan for releasing those documents.
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Speaker 1: So the executive order itself doesn't actually guarantee the declassification
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Speaker 1: of the files that it will actually be or that
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Speaker 1: the files will actually be made public. What do you
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Speaker 1: think of the prospects and actually is there anything there
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Speaker 1: do you think that's going to I mean, we'll talk
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Speaker 1: to Mark about this an extra but is there a
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Speaker 1: thing there that's going to be a surprise to anybody?
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Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if there was any surprises in there.
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Speaker 2: But ninety eight percent of the JFK files have been
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Speaker 2: released or declassified or kind of available to the public,
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Speaker 2: albeit redacted. So that what's that final two percent, what's
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Speaker 2: in there and how much of that's going to be
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Speaker 2: redacted or shredded? Is that the plan they need time
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Speaker 2: to execute is you know, how to get rid of
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Speaker 2: embarrassing evidence there. So I think it's great for transparency,
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Speaker 2: but a lot of people are just really anxious to
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Speaker 2: see if there's going to be anything in there and
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Speaker 2: who knows, implicating perhaps you know Daddy bush More or
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Speaker 2: Israel involved or something, who knows? But will we see
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Speaker 2: any of that through the redaction black black strips.
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Speaker 7: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we have another little bit of video off. I'm
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Speaker 1: signing that I want to break that into extra because
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Speaker 1: it wants to discuss what he says at the very
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Speaker 1: end of the thoughts. So we'll keep that for extra.
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Speaker 1: But let me welcome Mark to the program. And Mark,
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Speaker 1: you're wondering or questioning whether Trump has expansionous plans.
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Speaker 9: A good day everyone. Not only questioning whether he has
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Speaker 9: expansionist plans might, but what those plans specifically are. Now
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Speaker 9: I'm not taking size here. I'll be quoting James pearl Off,
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Speaker 9: a noted author and the CFR. This slide here is
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Speaker 9: arkening back to last week when I gave the presentation
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Speaker 9: based on a recent program that was January tenth by
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Speaker 9: the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. That's the former Chicago CFR.
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Speaker 9: They were formed in nineteen twenty two, one year after
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Speaker 9: the infamous New York CFR and the program by the
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Speaker 9: Chicago Council last week, they basically asked these three questions,
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Speaker 9: is Trump a good old isolationist just wanting a fortress America.
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Speaker 9: Or is he a great power imperialist as they put it,
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Speaker 9: bent on seizing lands and assets. Or and this is
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Speaker 9: seemingly the most likely one, a Monroe doctrinist wanting to
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Speaker 9: reduce worldwide policing overall and mainly in police to control
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Speaker 9: the Western Hemisphere. Now, James Perloff, who wrote a seminal
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Speaker 9: book on the CFR, The Shadows of Power, he came
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Speaker 9: out and in his article recently on his blog, you
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Speaker 9: could say, then the question becomes or none of the above.
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Speaker 9: And as Pearloff wrote here on this slide, the melding
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Speaker 9: of Greenland with America is not new, as shown by
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Speaker 9: this map based on the Regionalized and Adaptive Model of
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Speaker 9: the Global World System report produced by the Globalist Club
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Speaker 9: of Rome back in nineteen seventy three. Pearloff noted here
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Speaker 9: note that the North American region included Canada and Greenland,
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Speaker 9: but excluded Mexico. So that's an interesting map to say
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Speaker 9: the least. Now, the next slide zeros in on the
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Speaker 9: United States, Canada Greenland segment, one of the regional building
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Speaker 9: blocks of world government as conceived by the Club of
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Speaker 9: Rome over fifty years ago. And that's, of course the
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Speaker 9: central part of Pearlof's thesis. Now we'll move on from there,
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Speaker 9: and this is his main quote, one of the most
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Speaker 9: important quotes. There's a picture of him. Of course, I'm
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Speaker 9: an acquaintance of his. We've talked a few times. Trump's
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Speaker 9: Greenland grab is not about Maga. Perloff alleges Trump's ambition
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Speaker 9: to expand America is nothing more than a repackaging of
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Speaker 9: an old Satanic plan to establish world government through regional
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Speaker 9: stepping stones. And I'll stress that I don't necessarily agree
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Speaker 9: at least not one hundred percent with what Pearloff is saying,
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Speaker 9: but it's important to get this perspective out there for
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Speaker 9: our viewers. Anyway, he went on to quote a truth
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Speaker 9: social in his article, and Pearloff had this part in there.
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Speaker 9: Many people in Canada, quoting Trump loved being the fifty
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Speaker 9: first state. I don't know that they would love it.
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Speaker 9: And an entire nation that huge being the fifty first state,
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Speaker 9: of course sounds impractical. The United States can no longer
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Speaker 9: suffer the massive trade deficits and subsidies that Canada needs
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Speaker 9: to stay afloat. Trump wrote Justin Trudeau knew this and resigned.
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Speaker 9: If Canada merged with the US, there would be no tariffs,
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Speaker 9: taxes would go way down, and they would be totally
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Speaker 9: secure from the threat of Russian and Chinese ships that
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Speaker 9: are constantly surrounding them.
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Speaker 1: Together.
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Speaker 9: What a great nation it would be. As Pearloff quoted
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Speaker 9: Trump as saying on Truth Social and in this last
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Speaker 9: part from Peerlof's article, these are very important quotes to
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Speaker 9: get out there. As Pearloff wrote, all of this is
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Speaker 9: being heralded to the President's followers as part of his
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Speaker 9: plan to make America great again. But of course, one
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Speaker 9: of the uber globalists, a big Na Brazinski, laid the
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Speaker 9: strategy on the line at Mikhail Gorbashov's nineteen ninety five
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Speaker 9: State of the World Forum. We cannot leap into world
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Speaker 9: government in one quick step. The precondition for genuine globalization
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Speaker 9: is progressive regionalization. Of course, Brazinski worked with David Rockefeller
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Speaker 9: to help the late Jimmy Carter get into office, and
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Speaker 9: that probably goes at least some way in explaining why
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Speaker 9: Carter gave away the Panama Canal. I believe there was
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Speaker 9: a connection there. At any rate, it's also helpful to
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Speaker 9: remember as pearloff route here. In two thousand and five,
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Speaker 9: President George W. Bush attempted to create a North American Union,
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Speaker 9: and they talked about a currency called the Amiro. I
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Speaker 9: would know they would emulate the European un and turning
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Speaker 9: in turning an economic partnership NAFTA, which of course is
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Speaker 9: now defunct, into a political union, just as the EU
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Speaker 9: had evolved out of an economic partnership called the Common Market.
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Speaker 9: And of course that was massaged by Bildeberg over many years,
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Speaker 9: as some former Bildebergers acknowledged. But anyway, it's an interesting
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Speaker 9: way of looking at Trump's Western hemisphere expansionist plans in
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Speaker 9: his overall rhetoric about expanding power in the tradition of
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Speaker 9: William McKinley, in the tradition of Roosevelt, and some even
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Speaker 9: say something like Andrew Jackson's policies. But a lot of
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Speaker 9: mag of people, of course would bristle at what I'm
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Speaker 9: reporting right now, But I think it's important to get
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Speaker 9: this out there so people can weigh all the options.
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Speaker 9: So with that, maybe you guys would want to combat
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Speaker 9: momentarily any thoughts.
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Speaker 2: Only that Canada became the fifty first states probably going
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Speaker 2: to be voting Democrat, So I.
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Speaker 7: Don't know if Trump thought that far ahead or not.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of big, big for one state, I mean,
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Speaker 2: be the sort of on its own, one of the
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Speaker 2: largest land masses on the planet, but probably be broken
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Speaker 2: up into regions. And they're used to their welfare entitlements
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Speaker 2: in Canada, so I don't know if that's going to
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Speaker 2: work out too well in the American system.
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Speaker 7: So who knows.
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Speaker 2: It could just be some heavy negotiations to extract some
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Speaker 2: major concessions perhaps, I don't know.
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Speaker 7: I'm not convinced.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well, thank you for that. Thank you, Mark, Debbie.
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Speaker 1: Let me welcome to the program. And of course the
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Speaker 1: COVID inquiry we've been covering the last couple of weeks
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Speaker 1: because it's been talking about vaccine injured. But you want
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Speaker 1: to focus on the wonderful hug hugo Keith Casey, who
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Speaker 1: is one of the barristers involved in the inquiry.
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Speaker 10: I do, and thank you and good often and everyone
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Speaker 10: lovely to see Patrick in the studio, by the way,
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Speaker 10: and yes, the COVID inquiry, we know it has many failings,
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Speaker 10: but last week we were we showed you a clip
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Speaker 10: of Rutho Rafferty from the Scottish Vaccine Injured Group getting
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Speaker 10: interrogated by this barrister. But who is he? So I
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Speaker 10: want to introduce you to Hugo Keith Casey. He's a
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Speaker 10: real fighter. He's immensely impressive. He's currently the lead counsel
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Speaker 10: to the UK Public COVID Inquiry nineteen pandemic. He's the
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Speaker 10: joint head of Chambers of the three Raymond Buildings and
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Speaker 10: he's actually ranked in seven categories in current Chambers and
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Speaker 10: Partners Guides. So what does he actually do well? He's
19:40
Speaker 10: been involved in a lot. He's been involved in the Diana,
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Speaker 10: Princess of Wales Inquest. Now, just I want you to
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Speaker 10: make a note two thousand and eight that was seven
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Speaker 10: seven bombings, Mark Duggan, Alexander Litvinenko, Westminster terrorist bombings. And
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Speaker 10: he came from Maudland by the way, Oxford have to
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Speaker 10: tell you that. But who's he represented? Some big names there,
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Speaker 10: Princess Anne. He was representing the Queen at the Diana Inquest.
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Speaker 10: Yet again, I'm just going to make that note that
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Speaker 10: was two thousand and eight, and he got silk in
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Speaker 10: two thousand and nine. I wonder if it was anything
20:13
Speaker 10: to do with how he represented the queen, not that
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Speaker 10: I'm a conspiracy theorist or anything. He's also represented He's
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Speaker 10: been involved in the case Mark Duggan, He's worked with
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Speaker 10: lev Uke at Levu air Bus Chelsea FC. I mean
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Speaker 10: he is a stellar. He is top of the literally
20:31
Speaker 10: top of the bar at the moment. But what do
20:34
Speaker 10: the Lancashire Telegraphs say? They say exactly the same, he
20:36
Speaker 10: is star at the bar. But when I went to
20:41
Speaker 10: look at other nicknames that he has, I noticed in
20:45
Speaker 10: the Standard they are referring to a Telegraph article that's
20:49
Speaker 10: actually behind a paywall. So I decided to use the
20:52
Speaker 10: Standard because his nickname is a tack dog. Now he
20:56
Speaker 10: is really an attack dog. However, he seems to be
20:58
Speaker 10: a docile dog when he he's questioning his witnesses, and
21:02
Speaker 10: he seems to be an attack dog when he's questioning
21:06
Speaker 10: the vaccine injured. So I put out a tweet on
21:11
Speaker 10: X and I've been listening to him speaking to June
21:15
Speaker 10: Rain and I was very interested in the way that
21:18
Speaker 10: he words things. So I asked, basically, have the public
21:24
Speaker 10: or he's asked if the public have been given a
21:28
Speaker 10: different vaccine to the one that was manufactured, but he
21:32
Speaker 10: worded it in a way where Dame June rain was
21:35
Speaker 10: almost led to her response. And I just want to
21:39
Speaker 10: show you the reply from doctor Claire Craig again because
21:42
Speaker 10: Dr Claire Craig, who replied to this little clip which
21:46
Speaker 10: we're going to show you in a minute, she said,
21:48
Speaker 10: he does not ask if process one and process two
21:51
Speaker 10: were the same. He asked if he asks if the
21:53
Speaker 10: batch is tested by the MHRA, which he calls Process A,
21:58
Speaker 10: were the same as batches give to the public, which
22:01
Speaker 10: he calls Process B. This was his second time avoiding
22:05
Speaker 10: the issue. She went on to say in a further tweet,
22:08
Speaker 10: specifically about Ruth. She says Ruth from Scottish Vaccine Injured
22:14
Speaker 10: Group was shut down by him when she tried to
22:16
Speaker 10: raise it, and then she thanks the person that had
22:20
Speaker 10: noted it. So I want you to see this little clip,
22:23
Speaker 10: because this little clip I put on Twitters now had
22:25
Speaker 10: over four hundred thousand views. So have a look and
22:29
Speaker 10: see see what you think about Hugo Keith's line of
22:32
Speaker 10: questioning to Dame June Rayne and listen to her answer.
22:35
Speaker 10: She's on oath.
22:39
Speaker 11: Some have suggested that the batches which were delivered to
22:45
Speaker 11: the United Kingdom for use amongst its population, which were
22:54
Speaker 11: then handed out were not the same batches or other
23:02
Speaker 11: were batches that were produced by a different manufacturing process
23:07
Speaker 11: on the part of the manufacturer, as has been as
23:13
Speaker 11: had been tested by the MHRA. So bluntly, the suggestion
23:19
Speaker 11: has been made, you tested and authorized and certified a
23:26
Speaker 11: certain number of vaccines made by process manufacturing process A,
23:31
Speaker 11: and then the manufacturers actually delivered vaccines the British population
23:37
Speaker 11: produced as a result of a different manufacturing process and
23:40
Speaker 11: one by inference which had not been tested.
23:43
Speaker 7: Is that right?
23:44
Speaker 11: Well, my understanding is that the manufacturing process would have
23:47
Speaker 11: been the same.
23:51
Speaker 10: Look nervous, didn't she? And in extra will be showing
23:55
Speaker 10: the wonderful Charlotte Crichton who gave evidence this week and
23:58
Speaker 10: would be speaking to Ruth in a minute you, Mike,
24:01
Speaker 10: thank you.
24:01
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24:03
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24:43
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24:48
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24:54
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25:02
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25:07
Speaker 10: Yes, I'm absolutely delighted to be joined by Ruth A
25:11
Speaker 10: Raffti today because Ruth runs the Scottish Vaccine Injured Group
25:15
Speaker 10: and we've done interviews with Ruth before, so please go
25:19
Speaker 10: and look on the website for those but Ruth, I
25:21
Speaker 10: just want to welcome you. That's the interview, please go
25:24
Speaker 10: and look at it. And you've already seen the comments
25:26
Speaker 10: that Claire Craig made and we're here to talk to
25:28
Speaker 10: Ruth about her experience. So Ruth, welcome to UK Colum
25:32
Speaker 10: and thank you so much for joining us.
25:35
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me Debbie.
25:38
Speaker 10: So, Ruth, you had a very long way to travel
25:41
Speaker 10: because you're in Scotland and you had to go down
25:43
Speaker 10: to London for the inquiry, and you're very heavily invested
25:47
Speaker 10: in the Scottish Inquiry as well. How was your experience?
25:53
Speaker 4: Well, Debbie, as you said, we are involved in the
25:55
Speaker 4: Scottish Inquiry and we were at the preliminary hearing this
26:00
Speaker 4: I didn't stay, so we had a long journey down
26:03
Speaker 4: to London to come back up to get stuck straight
26:06
Speaker 4: into the Scottish Inquiry. As you imagine, it's quite a
26:09
Speaker 4: lot of work, and even to be involved in the
26:12
Speaker 4: UK Inquiry has taken indescribable amounts of effort, energy, hours
26:19
Speaker 4: and hours of work, with lots of stress, lots of
26:21
Speaker 4: deadlines actually sometimes almost impossible deadlines. Also that we could
26:28
Speaker 4: let the injured's voice be heard at the inquiry. And
26:32
Speaker 4: for me, when we first started out this was about
26:35
Speaker 4: getting help and support for the vaccine injured. But I
26:38
Speaker 4: have to say that it has expanded somewhat because I
26:40
Speaker 4: realized that the truth wasn't going to get out any
26:44
Speaker 4: other way unless we spoke the message, because nobody was
26:48
Speaker 4: going to be represented at that UK inquiry that was
26:51
Speaker 4: going to speak the truth about the scientific facts about
26:57
Speaker 4: the risks associated with the mRNA vaccines. Because that's what
27:01
Speaker 4: has become about for me, the fact that the mRNA
27:06
Speaker 4: vaccines have been regulated, they got past the finish line
27:10
Speaker 4: through emergency regulations, and I honestly don't think they're safe
27:15
Speaker 4: and it really concerns me because nobody is interested in
27:19
Speaker 4: looking at this. As you've all said quite extensively.
27:27
Speaker 10: Well, you are of course absolutely right, Ruth, and you
27:31
Speaker 10: have been speaking out a lot about this, and as
27:35
Speaker 10: you will have seen earlier, we introduced our audience to
27:37
Speaker 10: Hugo Keith Casey, who questioned you as well at the inquiry,
27:42
Speaker 10: and I've been watching him very carefully, and like I say,
27:45
Speaker 10: he appears to be a docile dog when he's speaking
27:48
Speaker 10: to Dame June Rain and Professor Christopher Witty, but he
27:51
Speaker 10: seems Baroness Hallett seems to let him off the leash
27:55
Speaker 10: and set him upon the vaccine injured. Did you find
27:59
Speaker 10: it difficult to speak with him?
28:03
Speaker 4: It was impossible, I said. We traveled eight and a
28:06
Speaker 4: half hours for a half hour slot because of though,
28:10
Speaker 4: it was so important that our voice we heard, and
28:13
Speaker 4: that Dame Hallett got to see some vaccine injured people
28:16
Speaker 4: face to face, that we weren't just some anonymous names
28:20
Speaker 4: on a bit of paper somewhere. And do you know
28:24
Speaker 4: that he actually spent eleven minutes, eleven minutes looking at
28:29
Speaker 4: the description of the group. When I think about all
28:33
Speaker 4: the things that were in my evidence statement, evident My
28:36
Speaker 4: supplementary evidence statement is two hundred and seventy one pages long.
28:40
Speaker 4: It's fully referenced to scientific journals, to government documents, two
28:45
Speaker 4: minutes of meetings. There's so much evidence crammed in there.
28:49
Speaker 4: And the only thing that you put up on the
28:51
Speaker 4: screen in front of me was my introductory paragraph about
28:55
Speaker 4: the group. I didn't need any help remembering what I
28:58
Speaker 4: said about the group. But when it came to asking questions,
29:02
Speaker 4: more technical questions, and by the way, these weren't the
29:05
Speaker 4: questions that I was told I would be asked, the
29:07
Speaker 4: ones that I prepared for in advance, These were different questions.
29:11
Speaker 4: When those were posed, nothing was put up on the
29:14
Speaker 4: screen in front of me to help me. And I'd
29:16
Speaker 4: said in advance that two years ago I could barely
29:20
Speaker 4: hold conversations. I mean, I was really neurologically challenged. I
29:24
Speaker 4: still am, and sometimes really struggle to form sentences or
29:29
Speaker 4: to formulate answers or arguments or responses. So he knew that,
29:36
Speaker 4: or if he didn't know that, he should have known that.
29:38
Speaker 4: So I can only assume that the way I was
29:42
Speaker 4: questioned was an attempt to try and silence us, and
29:46
Speaker 4: to be honest, I'm fed up of that. Mark Zuckerman,
29:49
Speaker 4: as we all know, admitted in podcasts that he was
29:53
Speaker 4: told to remove anything related to vaccine injury. And I
29:57
Speaker 4: do feel that the UK inquiry, We're very gracious and
30:01
Speaker 4: I'm grateful for the opportunity to be core participants and
30:05
Speaker 4: to speak, but that was silencing. That was equally censoring,
30:10
Speaker 4: and I felt muzzled, infuriated, frustrated. I mean I came
30:16
Speaker 4: away from there beating myself up, thinking well, I should
30:19
Speaker 4: have said this, or I could have said that, or
30:21
Speaker 4: if I just told them please please let me speak.
30:24
Speaker 4: But when you're actually in that situation, you feel that
30:27
Speaker 4: if you speak out of turn, you could be done
30:30
Speaker 4: for contempt of court or they have all the power.
30:34
Speaker 4: So it wasn't pleasant at all.
30:39
Speaker 10: No, And also I think we must remind people that
30:42
Speaker 10: this is a stressful situation for anybody in it who's healthy.
30:46
Speaker 10: And not only have you had that huge journey, but
30:49
Speaker 10: as we all know, your vaccine injured your self, Ruth,
30:52
Speaker 10: and the stress, it's almost like he was putting you
30:54
Speaker 10: at a disadvantage. I feel your frustration because I saw it.
30:58
Speaker 10: I witnessed it for myself. And on top of that,
31:01
Speaker 10: you knew that Matt Hancock was going to be in
31:04
Speaker 10: the area because he was also giving evidence to the inquiry,
31:09
Speaker 10: and we know that he admitted at the inquiry he
31:12
Speaker 10: knew about serious adverse reactions during the clinical trials. How
31:16
Speaker 10: did that make you feel?
31:19
Speaker 4: It's very hard to describe how it made me feel,
31:22
Speaker 4: to be honest, heavy. I mean physically, by the time
31:25
Speaker 4: I gave evidence, I was already very unwell, and I
31:29
Speaker 4: look well. I mean I went and gave evidence with
31:31
Speaker 4: feeling like I was underwater, lots of inflammation going on.
31:35
Speaker 4: I was feeling sick. I'd pained throughout my body. And
31:38
Speaker 4: then there's all, as you say, there's emotional aspect, and
31:41
Speaker 4: it brings it all home when you're actually there and
31:44
Speaker 4: you're you're physically at the inquiry. And to know that
31:48
Speaker 4: were sitting in the very same seat that Jim Rain
31:51
Speaker 4: and Matt Hancock and Chris Witty and all of these
31:55
Speaker 4: people would be sitting, and I knew that the following morning,
31:58
Speaker 4: Matt Hancock would be giving evidence. And I can't describe
32:02
Speaker 4: how sick it makes me feel to know that they
32:06
Speaker 4: knew there were serious adverse reactions, yet they kept saying
32:11
Speaker 4: this is safe, it's effective, it's safe, it's effective. And
32:13
Speaker 4: the pressure that there was to take the vaccine, which
32:17
Speaker 4: many people bravely resisted, and they were clever enough to
32:21
Speaker 4: go and find out the information for themselves. We have
32:24
Speaker 4: no idea we thought we were getting, you know, I
32:26
Speaker 4: thought I was getting a rejiged flu vaccine. I was naive.
32:30
Speaker 4: I was stupid. And to know that these people duked
32:33
Speaker 4: to us. He knew, and he sat on the stand
32:36
Speaker 4: and said that he'd seen he'd seen the yellow card reports.
32:42
Speaker 4: The amount of yellow card reports that had been submitted
32:45
Speaker 4: must have been extensive, and he saw those. So at
32:49
Speaker 4: what point are anyone going to you know, when were
32:51
Speaker 4: they going to intervene? When are they going to do
32:53
Speaker 4: something about it? It don't seem to care. So no.
32:57
Speaker 4: I actually could have gone to watch my handcoff come
33:00
Speaker 4: Thursday morning, because I was still in London, but I couldn't.
33:03
Speaker 4: I couldn't cope with it. I wouldn't have been able to.
33:05
Speaker 4: So we left, we went home.
33:10
Speaker 10: I was absolutely shocked to hear your story, Ruth, really,
33:14
Speaker 10: although I could see it, and I think anybody that
33:16
Speaker 10: watches those segments will see that it almost appears, it
33:20
Speaker 10: appears to me anyway, as though Hugo Keith maybe leading
33:25
Speaker 10: his witnesses with questions a little bit more and attacking
33:30
Speaker 10: you more, which I didn't feel was particularly empathetic of
33:34
Speaker 10: Baroness Hallett. I want to thank you so much, Ruth.
33:37
Speaker 10: I know that you are absolutely exhausted, and we will
33:41
Speaker 10: give details in the show notes of where to find you.
33:44
Speaker 10: And I know there's more to come. There's more to
33:47
Speaker 10: come on this for our audience. Ruth is not finished yet,
33:51
Speaker 10: and we're going to be bringing you more in the
33:53
Speaker 10: very near future. Ruth. Thank thank you so much for
33:56
Speaker 10: all you do for the vaccine injured. And for now
33:59
Speaker 10: it's back to you at the studio.
34:01
Speaker 1: Mike, thank you, Thank you Debbie, and thank you Ruth.
34:07
Speaker 2: Any comments, No, just absolutely flabbergasted and shocked to hear
34:11
Speaker 2: that Matt Hancock is still walking around in public that
34:15
Speaker 2: on the Erne. If I saw him, I would be
34:17
Speaker 2: absolutely shocked. I'd be in hiding, you know, permanently on
34:21
Speaker 2: some island in the South Pacific if I was the
34:24
Speaker 2: former health secretary.
34:26
Speaker 1: Well, Ruth was talking about the censorship there, and of
34:29
Speaker 1: course we must remember that it was a story of
34:32
Speaker 1: vaccine injury which resulted in the UK column being censored
34:36
Speaker 1: by YouTube and Vimeo in twenty twenty one or twenty
34:39
Speaker 1: twenty two, whenever that was. So you know, that is
34:43
Speaker 1: clear that the message went on that that should be
34:46
Speaker 1: the case. And speaking of censorship, Well just mentioned that
34:50
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, Offcom launched its shining new
34:54
Speaker 1: digital toolkit to help the businesses comply with the new
34:57
Speaker 1: online safety rules. Is because the Online Safety the Act
35:00
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three is supposedly actually in force now, so
35:05
Speaker 1: there you go. So this includes responsibilities for platforms to
35:11
Speaker 1: complete an illegal content risk assessment and comply with illegal
35:17
Speaker 1: content safety duties, record keeping review duties, other obligations and
35:22
Speaker 1: so on. So let's just have a quick look here.
35:25
Speaker 1: So they're saying that there's a need to understand which
35:27
Speaker 1: kinds of illegal content to assess and to make accurate
35:30
Speaker 1: judgments about the risks. Just think about that. It's a
35:33
Speaker 1: need to understand which kinds. It's not all illegal content,
35:37
Speaker 1: it's which kinds. So they're already limiting the kinds of
35:41
Speaker 1: illegal content that are coming under this assessment. And my
35:44
Speaker 1: question then is what is their definition of illegal content?
35:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, well illegal to show or depiction of illegal activities.
35:53
Speaker 1: Or precisely, so there's plenty of scope for for what
35:59
Speaker 1: that might be. So assess the risk of harm for
36:01
Speaker 1: each kind of priority illegal content so now we're talking
36:04
Speaker 1: about that on a service and other illegal content. Identify
36:09
Speaker 1: any relevant measures that can be implemented to address risk,
36:13
Speaker 1: record and make record of their assessment. Understand how to
36:17
Speaker 1: keep their risk assessments up to date, and put in
36:20
Speaker 1: place steps through review it. So these are the four
36:24
Speaker 1: steps that OFCOM is talking about now. The release of
36:28
Speaker 1: this digital toolkit follows their announcement that websites which provide
36:33
Speaker 1: any platform or sorry provide a platform to any pornographic material,
36:37
Speaker 1: including social media platforms, will now be required to have
36:42
Speaker 1: what they describe as robust age verification measures in place.
36:46
Speaker 1: We've talked about this many times. This is basically using
36:49
Speaker 1: the cover of protecting children to implement a digital ID
36:53
Speaker 1: scheme and to reinforce this, Ofcom has fined Mini starsmitted
37:00
Speaker 1: because they were not conforming to the requirements to have
37:04
Speaker 1: what they describe as robust age verification in place on
37:07
Speaker 1: their website. Now, this seems to be an only fans competitor,
37:12
Speaker 1: so but offcomp find them ten thousand pounds, but give
37:17
Speaker 1: them a three thousand pounds rebid dis kount because Mini
37:21
Speaker 1: Stars cooperated with them. So this is like you've had
37:23
Speaker 1: a speeding ticket or something. You know, if you pay
37:26
Speaker 1: with it a certain time, get your rebit on us.
37:28
Speaker 7: This's very sporting of them, isn't that So not much.
37:31
Speaker 1: Of a deterrent, though, because if you're running a commercial
37:34
Speaker 1: organization like that, you know, seven thousand pound fine isn't
37:37
Speaker 1: really that's the cost of doing business. I would have thought,
37:40
Speaker 1: But Anyway, the point here is we shouldn't be separating
37:44
Speaker 1: this from the recent Golf dot UK announcement of Digital
37:48
Speaker 1: ID of digital wallet for digital ID. So let's before
37:52
Speaker 1: we get onto that, let's just have a look at
37:55
Speaker 1: the offcom statement on Mini Stars. They said, specifically, we
37:58
Speaker 1: find that the content of a poor raphic nature was
38:00
Speaker 1: available on the platform and accessible to any person who
38:04
Speaker 1: accessed the site, both through short preview videos and following
38:08
Speaker 1: subscription to particular creators content. We found that self declaration
38:12
Speaker 1: by users that they were over eighteen and a general
38:16
Speaker 1: disclaimer within many Stars terms and conditions that the site
38:21
Speaker 1: was only for adults were not appropriate forms of age
38:24
Speaker 1: verification to protect under eighteens from accessing pornographic or other
38:28
Speaker 1: restricted material. And just to remind everybody, of course, as
38:32
Speaker 1: we just mentioned, the new gov dot UK digital wallet
38:36
Speaker 1: just happens to be coming out at around the same
38:38
Speaker 1: time as this age verification requirement and so on. So
38:44
Speaker 1: just coming back to Trump for a second, as we
38:48
Speaker 1: mentioned on Wednesday's program, he issued an executive order removing
38:53
Speaker 1: all government censorship on the social media platforms in the
38:57
Speaker 1: United States. So a few points to make here. The
39:00
Speaker 1: first is that, for example, Ivor Kaplan's X profile was
39:04
Speaker 1: full of explicit pornographic content, and so I'm wondering, will
39:08
Speaker 1: this mean that X is going to have to impose
39:11
Speaker 1: this new digital id regime on because there's plenty of
39:14
Speaker 1: that kind of material on there.
39:15
Speaker 2: Well Elon after his visit to Israel coincidentally, maybe not,
39:19
Speaker 2: but he turned X into one of the largest pornographic
39:22
Speaker 2: platforms in the world. Before that, under the Dorsey regime,
39:26
Speaker 2: they had more strict regulations on porn. Elon basically opened
39:31
Speaker 2: up the floodgates and turned it into a porn fest basically.
39:35
Speaker 2: So they're going to fall foul of a lot of
39:37
Speaker 2: this stuff, especially in Europe.
39:39
Speaker 1: Right right, And which brings me on to this point
39:42
Speaker 1: because as a sort of a side, this is going
39:45
Speaker 1: to result in different censorship regimes in different parts of
39:48
Speaker 1: the world, and so I wonder as their kiss, for example,
39:50
Speaker 1: if you're based in the UK or in Europe, of
39:53
Speaker 1: for incorporating a business in the United States to take
39:56
Speaker 1: advantage of the different regime over there. But the other
40:00
Speaker 1: point that I wanted to make was it while Trump
40:02
Speaker 1: is claiming no government censorship, another of his executive orders
40:06
Speaker 1: seem to be saying unless you're pro Palestine. So for example,
40:09
Speaker 1: here's the Free Speech Center Trump Executive Order on restoring
40:13
Speaker 1: freedom of speech, and if you read this article, they're
40:15
Speaker 1: talking about that exactly point.
40:17
Speaker 7: This is this exact point. You've got some more on this, well,
40:20
Speaker 7: I think we need clarification on this. And speaking of X,
40:25
Speaker 7: I'll bring this up now. This is also a tutorial
40:28
Speaker 7: for our viewers that UK call them on how to
40:31
Speaker 7: spot fake news. So this is a typical account that
40:35
Speaker 7: Elon promotes and probably pays five or ten grand a
40:38
Speaker 7: month in X Monetization, Global Eye News. And with all
40:43
Speaker 7: of these accounts, you'll see breaking and then a headline
40:46
Speaker 7: and the JPEX no link to the source. You're just
40:49
Speaker 7: supposed to trust the anonymous sock puppet account. And that's
40:53
Speaker 7: the system Elon has been promoting since he started the monetization.
40:57
Speaker 7: These are the accounts that get all of the traffic
41:00
Speaker 7: and they make all the money on expontization.
41:03
Speaker 2: Now what is he saying? Donald Trump signs an executive
41:05
Speaker 2: order allowing deportation of foreign students who express support for
41:10
Speaker 2: hamas er Hesbola. Now you're reading that now, I was
41:14
Speaker 2: shocked by this. Of course, the question is is it
41:16
Speaker 2: true or is it false? And I felt for this,
41:20
Speaker 2: of course, because I was almost certain that that was
41:23
Speaker 2: the case until I got legal advice from some of
41:26
Speaker 2: our legal experts on X on this. So this is
41:30
Speaker 2: actually false, It's partially true. The nuance, of course, is
41:34
Speaker 2: very very important.
41:35
Speaker 7: Here.
41:36
Speaker 2: Let's look at this here. Now, this is Janine Yunis.
41:39
Speaker 2: She's a lawyer for the New Sibiliberties Alliance. She represented
41:42
Speaker 2: a lot of the Great Barrington Declaration people who also
41:47
Speaker 2: felt that their liberties were violated during COVID, all the
41:51
Speaker 2: anti lockdown people, Jay Boticharia and people like this.
41:54
Speaker 7: So she is an excellent source on this. Let's see
41:57
Speaker 7: what she has to say.
41:58
Speaker 2: The vaguely worded executive order by Trump actually does not
42:02
Speaker 2: allow for the deportation of students who expressly support these groups,
42:07
Speaker 2: vanishingly few, despite the media will have you believe that
42:11
Speaker 2: conflating pro Palestinian activism with support of Hamas. So she's
42:15
Speaker 2: making a good point there, and she goes on here,
42:18
Speaker 2: and it also provides for the deportation of foreign students
42:22
Speaker 2: who bear quote hostile attitudes towards the US citizens, culture,
42:29
Speaker 2: government institutions, or founding principles incredibly vague. This is actually
42:35
Speaker 2: worse than we thought on a certain level. Here she says,
42:39
Speaker 2: if history is any judge, this executive order will be
42:41
Speaker 2: weaponized against non citizen students who express pro Palestinian views
42:48
Speaker 2: or criticize the Israeli government. And then she goes on
42:51
Speaker 2: the vague, expansive wording will also mean that it can
42:54
Speaker 2: be used to deport students who criticize the Trump administration
42:58
Speaker 2: possibly or really express any number of views. And finally,
43:03
Speaker 2: just to wrap this up here, it is likely to
43:05
Speaker 2: have a severe chilling effect and is inconsistent with the
43:10
Speaker 2: free speech principles i e. The First Amendment Here, so
43:15
Speaker 2: really important point.
43:16
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean this is something we're saying both sides
43:19
Speaker 1: of the Atlantic. Here in the UK, we've been talking
43:21
Speaker 1: about this with the online safety active vagueness of the
43:24
Speaker 1: language used, the fact that it's opened to such broad
43:26
Speaker 1: interpretation it could mean absolutely anything. And we're saying this
43:30
Speaker 1: within Trump's language as well.
43:32
Speaker 2: All of the language with any of the regulations to
43:34
Speaker 2: do with anything on online speech is incredibly vague, and
43:38
Speaker 2: I will even go so far as to say it
43:40
Speaker 2: almost sounds vacuous. But we'll go on here. Now, this
43:44
Speaker 2: is interesting. So this is an important point here. What
43:48
Speaker 2: are we looking at? Trump's executive order restoring free speech
43:52
Speaker 2: does not revoke the Executive Order one three eight ninety
43:55
Speaker 2: nine which he signed in twenty nineteen, in which Biden continues,
43:59
Speaker 2: which adopts the IHR a definition of anti Semitism under
44:05
Speaker 2: Title six of the Civil Rights Act, making criticism of
44:09
Speaker 2: Israel and Biblical references as hate speech. So this is
44:12
Speaker 2: still lingering here. There's a copy of the executive order
44:15
Speaker 2: from twenty nineteen. Now, how do you enforce that is
44:18
Speaker 2: another thing? And if the Supreme Court will eventually rule
44:21
Speaker 2: on these cases, it's of course going to get defeated
44:24
Speaker 2: on First Amendment grounds, But what sort of hell is
44:27
Speaker 2: it going to create for the life of people who
44:30
Speaker 2: end up falling foul of this, Whether there're students at
44:32
Speaker 2: Harvard University, which will come to in a moment and
44:36
Speaker 2: look at this. Harvard adopts a definition of antisemitism for
44:40
Speaker 2: discipline cases. Now, this came out the back of the
44:43
Speaker 2: Palestinian student protests, part of a settlement in two lawsuits
44:46
Speaker 2: filed by Jewish groups that accused the school Harvard in
44:49
Speaker 2: this case, of not doing enough to prevent and punish
44:53
Speaker 2: anti Semitism on campus. They're talking about pro Palestinian human
44:57
Speaker 2: rights protests, which they conflated with pro maas. Now, Glenn
45:01
Speaker 2: Greenwald did a really great analysis of this on Systems
45:05
Speaker 2: Update here, and these are the three main items. This
45:07
Speaker 2: will get you disciplined or kicked out of Harvard or
45:11
Speaker 2: what and whatnot. Manifestations might include the targeting of the
45:15
Speaker 2: State of Israel conceived as a Jewish collectivity.
45:20
Speaker 7: Again, very strange language here.
45:22
Speaker 2: Accusing Jewish students of sorry, we'll go back, accusing Jewish
45:27
Speaker 2: students of being more loyal to Israel or to the
45:31
Speaker 2: alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of
45:35
Speaker 2: their own nations. I know, people that are like Ben
45:37
Speaker 2: Shapiro are outright declaring their loyalty to Israel over US
45:43
Speaker 2: interests in many cases, and this is there are many
45:46
Speaker 2: examples of this. So is that no longer. I mean
45:50
Speaker 2: a lot of people do this from their own foreign countries,
45:52
Speaker 2: but it's not allowed in the case of Israel. So again,
45:56
Speaker 2: this is very selective. And he goes on here denying
45:59
Speaker 2: that Jewish people their right to self determination by claiming
46:03
Speaker 2: that the existence of the state of Israel is a
46:06
Speaker 2: racist endeavor.
46:08
Speaker 7: Okay.
46:08
Speaker 2: Greenwald makes the case that a lot of Americans say
46:11
Speaker 2: the existence of the United States is a racist endeavor,
46:13
Speaker 2: but that's protected speech, or that the existence of another example,
46:18
Speaker 2: you could say another state is a racist endeavor. That's
46:21
Speaker 2: all protected speech, but Israel not protected speech. Here using
46:26
Speaker 2: symbols and images associated with anti Semitism, etc. To characterize
46:31
Speaker 2: Israel or Israeli's blood libel, or that Jew claims that
46:35
Speaker 2: Jews killed Jesus is blood libel. Well, that's kind of
46:39
Speaker 2: a biblical reference, but you're not allowed to say it
46:43
Speaker 2: in public, I mean, hugely problematic. Finally, here applying double
46:47
Speaker 2: standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or
46:52
Speaker 2: demanded of any other democratic nation. I'm not sure what
46:55
Speaker 2: that means, Mike, and then drawing comparisons of contemporar Israeli
46:59
Speaker 2: policy like genocide to that of the Nazis. That's prohibited speech.
47:05
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's on a student level now at an
47:08
Speaker 2: Ivy League institution, but how long before it becomes national
47:13
Speaker 2: Here and look at this, Just days after this ruling,
47:16
Speaker 2: Harvard Medical School cancels a class session with Gazen patients
47:21
Speaker 2: being treated in Boston, calling it one sided. Here, Harvard
47:25
Speaker 2: Medical School cancels this lecture Wartime Healthcare in a subsequent
47:30
Speaker 2: panel discussion with patients from Gaza receiving care in Boston,
47:35
Speaker 2: in response to objections that the students would only hear
47:38
Speaker 2: Gaza's impacted by the war and not Israeli. So they
47:42
Speaker 2: don't have Israeli patients present, so they have to cancel
47:45
Speaker 2: the lecture basically. So that's what's going on at Harvard University.
47:51
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, I think we mentioned it on
47:54
Speaker 1: passing on Wednesday, but we have a Loan and his
48:00
Speaker 1: amazing salute.
48:02
Speaker 2: It's a Roman salute, by the way, it's technically this
48:05
Speaker 2: is a Roman salute. Not to be confused. Well it
48:09
Speaker 2: is the same as the Nazi salute, right, Well, it depends.
48:12
Speaker 7: I mean.
48:14
Speaker 2: So this has unleashed the most hugest amount of controversy,
48:19
Speaker 2: and he's been trying to double down on this by
48:22
Speaker 2: doing counter mems, and Elon Musk has been unleashing countermems
48:26
Speaker 2: for the last four days desperately on X trying to
48:30
Speaker 2: basically make a joke and say that it's everyone else is.
48:33
Speaker 7: Doing it ha ha ha.
48:34
Speaker 2: But the point is Mike and this is the incredible part,
48:38
Speaker 2: the biggest stage in the world, inauguration day, the richest
48:43
Speaker 2: man in the world. I mean, you can't think of
48:45
Speaker 2: a worse time.
48:46
Speaker 1: Is he just trolling everyone?
48:48
Speaker 2: I don't think he's trolling. I think people are saying, oh,
48:50
Speaker 2: you got to give him some leeway. He's autistic, he's
48:53
Speaker 2: got aspergers, he's on the spectrum.
48:55
Speaker 7: He didn't mean it.
48:56
Speaker 2: But the reason it's so troversial, let's be honest, Well,
49:02
Speaker 2: we'll look at how the German press is now. When
49:05
Speaker 2: you're getting lamb basted by the German press for doing
49:08
Speaker 2: Nazi salutes, it's not good for your public relations. But anyway,
49:12
Speaker 2: a Hitler salute is a Hitler salute, is a Hitler salute,
49:15
Speaker 2: says de Zite And this is ze online here. I
49:20
Speaker 2: can't pronounce that in German. But anyway, he's getting raked
49:24
Speaker 2: through the cohals in Germany. That's also not good because
49:28
Speaker 2: he's also being challenged legally with regards to X under
49:32
Speaker 2: all the different regulations, so this isn't helping his cause.
49:35
Speaker 2: Plus he's being accused of meddling in the election by
49:39
Speaker 2: pumping you know, one hundred million or whatever he's promising
49:42
Speaker 2: to pump into the AfD war chest for the upcoming
49:47
Speaker 2: German elections, and he's demanding policies be implemented, and he's
49:52
Speaker 2: talking he's kind of like doing foreign interference. Basically, this
49:56
Speaker 2: is not helping Elon's case. But why is this so complicated?
50:00
Speaker 2: Because it actually reveals that his right wing politics and
50:04
Speaker 2: he has adopted an extreme, sort of some might say,
50:09
Speaker 2: far right flavor of his own politics. This is why
50:13
Speaker 2: this is controversial, and it's, you know, his backing of
50:18
Speaker 2: Tommy Robinson, his ultra zionist position with regards to Israel
50:24
Speaker 2: and Palestine. This is why Elon Musk is getting the backlash.
50:27
Speaker 2: So I think it's kind of entertaining to watch this
50:31
Speaker 2: unfold because he's really he'll never be able to outrun
50:35
Speaker 2: this mem It's going to be with him for the
50:37
Speaker 2: rest of his life. And he's he thinks he's the
50:40
Speaker 2: troll of trolls, and he's constantly trolling people on X
50:43
Speaker 2: and here he is getting hammered and he's desperately trying
50:47
Speaker 2: to undo this. So I think there's kind of an
50:49
Speaker 2: irony and a poetic justice in this. There's other terms
50:54
Speaker 2: like sahi t lord that he's bestowed upon himself as
50:58
Speaker 2: kind of a great keech, you know, frog God.
51:02
Speaker 7: And all this other.
51:03
Speaker 2: And so now he's basically running scared after the inauguration,
51:07
Speaker 2: desperate to somehow smooth this out.
51:10
Speaker 1: Well, sticking with him for a second. When Trump was
51:14
Speaker 1: a night saying his latest executive orders yesterday, during the
51:16
Speaker 1: Q and A afterwards, he was asked about this this
51:21
Speaker 1: new AI scheme that we were to what was Target
51:24
Speaker 1: that they're called, that's not what they're calling it, Project Start,
51:27
Speaker 1: Project Start Target, And he was talking about he was
51:31
Speaker 1: asked about Elon Musk and what Elon's views of Projects
51:34
Speaker 1: Target were, and Trump was very keen to make it clear, well,
51:37
Speaker 1: you know, Elon really hits one of the people involved
51:40
Speaker 1: in that. Who would that be?
51:42
Speaker 2: That would be Sam Autman, the head of Open AI.
51:45
Speaker 1: And is this just jealousy because Altman effectively kicked Elon
51:49
Speaker 1: out of that project.
51:50
Speaker 7: It's that, And yeah, it's mainly that.
51:54
Speaker 2: I think it's also the fact that maybe Elon felt
51:56
Speaker 2: like he had a big ownership stake that was raw
52:00
Speaker 2: from him by the transition from a foundation not for
52:03
Speaker 2: profit to for profit. So he kind of missed the
52:06
Speaker 2: boat on that so there's a real bad blood there.
52:09
Speaker 2: And Sam Altman is very much Israel's guy basically, So
52:14
Speaker 2: you know.
52:15
Speaker 1: There's Larry Ellison of course, yeah, as.
52:17
Speaker 2: Is Larry Ellison. So Elon's kind of you know, the
52:20
Speaker 2: Trump elon Sam Altman. This is a messy area here.
52:24
Speaker 2: I don't know how this is going to end up.
52:25
Speaker 1: Actually, yes, okay, well, Mark, let's welcome you back to
52:29
Speaker 1: the program and what's happening, because obviously one of the
52:34
Speaker 1: biggest announcements on Monday was the whole issue of immigration
52:38
Speaker 1: on the border. Now you're only a few miles away
52:41
Speaker 1: from the border, so what are you seeing.
52:46
Speaker 9: Well, I'm not seeing much here in South Texas yet.
52:49
Speaker 9: A quick footnote as I'll be going out in the
52:51
Speaker 9: field as the unseasonably cold weather, yes, even in South
52:54
Speaker 9: Texas palms down and getting out to the border looking
52:58
Speaker 9: for troops to come down, going to an area west
53:01
Speaker 9: of here where the State of Texas donated land and
53:04
Speaker 9: they're erecting more border wall sections. But anyway, in this
53:07
Speaker 9: first slide here in a relatively brief report today. The
53:12
Speaker 9: left part of this is from the White House website
53:15
Speaker 9: fact sheet President Donald J. Trump protects the States and
53:18
Speaker 9: the American people by closing the borders to illegals via proclamation.
53:24
Speaker 9: And this is an exact quote from that, although I
53:26
Speaker 9: added some emphasis guaranteeing the state's protection against invasion, which
53:31
Speaker 9: is constitutionally sound. That's what the federal government is supposed
53:34
Speaker 9: to do today. The twenty second of January, in this case,
53:37
Speaker 9: President Trump signed an EO that suspends the physical entry
53:41
Speaker 9: of aliens engaged in an invasion of the United States
53:45
Speaker 9: through the southern border. Of course, he declared a national
53:48
Speaker 9: emergency with regards to the porous border, and he is
53:54
Speaker 9: redesignating the cartels as terrorist organizations, which you think would
53:59
Speaker 9: have been would have been done a long time ago.
54:02
Speaker 9: And anyway, this goes on to say, in joining the Union,
54:05
Speaker 9: the States agreed to surrender much of their sovereignty in
54:09
Speaker 9: exchange for the federal government's promise and Article four, section
54:12
Speaker 9: four of the US Constitution to protect each of the
54:16
Speaker 9: states against invasion. Most of that is correct. The federal
54:20
Speaker 9: government is on call to protect these several states against invasion.
54:25
Speaker 9: But it's very, very questionable that the states surrendered much
54:29
Speaker 9: of their sovereignty in the process of doing that. It
54:33
Speaker 9: was really more of a partnership where the federal government,
54:37
Speaker 9: if needed, would aid the states in protecting their borders
54:41
Speaker 9: from whatever invasive thing might be going on. Anyway, just
54:46
Speaker 9: to clarify that now, to move on, Even the BBC
54:50
Speaker 9: got involved here and they're noting that reportedly fifteen hundred
54:55
Speaker 9: active duty troops are headed to the US Mexico border
54:59
Speaker 9: twenty second to January or Trump told US government agencies
55:02
Speaker 9: to prepare to immediately repel, repatriate, and remove undocumented immigrants.
55:07
Speaker 9: Trump's sort of comes as US officials announced the deployment
55:10
Speaker 9: of additional active duty troops to the border and as
55:13
Speaker 9: processes that allow swift deportations are expanded. The US also
55:18
Speaker 9: moved to cancel all refugee travel and processing, and many
55:22
Speaker 9: other sources have confirmed this, leaving thousands stranded as they
55:26
Speaker 9: want to come to the US to remain in Mexico.
55:31
Speaker 9: Policy is being restored for those seeking asylum, which should
55:34
Speaker 9: have should should never have been disbanded anyway. White House
55:38
Speaker 9: Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt said Trump is sending a very
55:41
Speaker 9: strong message to people around the world with these actions. Now,
55:46
Speaker 9: this tends to corroborate what the North Side GOP, with
55:52
Speaker 9: whom I spoke last year. You might recall, Mike. They're
55:55
Speaker 9: a North Side Chicago group and they had Tom Homan
55:59
Speaker 9: at that time the incoming Borders are They had him
56:03
Speaker 9: speak at one of their functions and I got an
56:05
Speaker 9: original video from that function of Tom Homan addressing that group.
56:09
Speaker 9: And what Dave Nayak shared with me last night. He's
56:14
Speaker 9: from the North Side GOP. He and I had a
56:16
Speaker 9: long conversation last night on the phone and he sent
56:19
Speaker 9: me these samples. This is the fortieth Ward in this slide.
56:23
Speaker 9: These are from the fortieth Ward Chicago alderman, Andre Basquez,
56:28
Speaker 9: and just like the city of Chicago itself, he's publishing
56:32
Speaker 9: information to help the illegal immigrants and really overlooking the
56:36
Speaker 9: rights and concerns that of those who are concerned, rather
56:41
Speaker 9: overlooking the rights and concerns of those who are very
56:44
Speaker 9: worried about the criminal element coming into the country from
56:48
Speaker 9: illegal immigration. And those two flyers I showed are from
56:52
Speaker 9: that fortieth Ward aldermen. And it offers support, logistics, support
56:57
Speaker 9: where people can go to learn more about out their
57:00
Speaker 9: rights if they're confronted by ice and things like that.
57:03
Speaker 9: So a lot of Chicagoans are upset. Dave Nayak is
57:07
Speaker 9: telling me about the city being so biased and only
57:11
Speaker 9: helping the illegal immigrants and not standing up for those
57:14
Speaker 9: that are concerned about the crime that sometimes stems from
57:17
Speaker 9: illegal immigration. Anyway, I've got a little bit of footage
57:20
Speaker 9: here as I talk. This is some footage I shot
57:24
Speaker 9: recently in Alamo, Texas. These are fence sections, they're sometimes
57:28
Speaker 9: called ballards, and they're stacked by the thousands in Alamo, Texas,
57:33
Speaker 9: about five miles west of where I'm sitting. And then
57:35
Speaker 9: in Far Texas there's even more of them that's spelled
57:38
Speaker 9: pha r R a little further to the west, both
57:42
Speaker 9: in Hidago County bordering Mexico. These were taken down or
57:46
Speaker 9: never erected, whichever it was when Biden came into the
57:50
Speaker 9: White House, and a lot of people in my neck
57:52
Speaker 9: of the woods are waiting to see if these ballards
57:54
Speaker 9: are going to be removed. They're a bit of an
57:57
Speaker 9: eye sore along Business eighty three a bit and a
58:01
Speaker 9: lot of people are They want to see them either
58:03
Speaker 9: out of there for whatever reason, but preferably to have
58:07
Speaker 9: them re erected and become part of the border security
58:12
Speaker 9: project at any rate. A border wall, the border wall
58:17
Speaker 9: was reported on here by borderreport dot com that's a
58:20
Speaker 9: local blog, and it notes that piles of rousted border
58:23
Speaker 9: ballards are stacked high in several holding yards throughout this
58:26
Speaker 9: Rio Grand Valley. But a US Customs and Border Protection
58:29
Speaker 9: official recently told Border Report that this material and this
58:33
Speaker 9: is notable, will not be auctioned off the CBP. CBP
58:38
Speaker 9: excuse me, official said the panels in Texas are not
58:41
Speaker 9: related to the ongoing sale of similar fence sections in Arizona.
58:46
Speaker 9: That's because CBP owns the material in Texas, meaning the
58:50
Speaker 9: federal government, and it is used for border security initiatives.
58:53
Speaker 9: So that's at least an early indication that these wall
58:57
Speaker 9: sections will be re erected. Meanwhile, the State of Texas,
59:02
Speaker 9: the Land Office, donated a bunch of land near Rio
59:06
Speaker 9: Grand City, about an hour or west of where I'm at,
59:08
Speaker 9: and the border wall is actually being erected there on
59:12
Speaker 9: that state donated land, And what I'm expecting is some
59:15
Speaker 9: of these sections will probably augment that on that land
59:19
Speaker 9: or nearby. So that's the latest going on. There's a
59:23
Speaker 9: lot of apprehension in Chicago and many many other cities
59:27
Speaker 9: across the country. Mike, where they're bracing for ICE to
59:31
Speaker 9: come in and arrest illegal immigrants, starting with the ones
59:35
Speaker 9: that are accused of serious crimes, and already about five
59:40
Speaker 9: hundred arrests of those suspected of those serious crimes have
59:43
Speaker 9: reportedly been made and as we speak, those arrests are
59:46
Speaker 9: going on day by day. So that's what's going on there.
59:51
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, thank you for that. Debbie, let's come
59:54
Speaker 1: back to you. And well the question what's the dwpup.
59:57
Speaker 10: Too, Well, yeah, this is the problem. See, there's so
1:00:00
Speaker 10: much news going on and i just want everyone to
1:00:03
Speaker 10: know that I'm trying to cover as much as I
1:00:04
Speaker 10: can because the Climate of Nature bills in Parliament today
1:00:07
Speaker 10: as well. But let's look at DWP. So there's going
1:00:09
Speaker 10: to be big changes here. We've got Big Brother Watch,
1:00:13
Speaker 10: we stop the government from spying on our bank accounts,
1:00:16
Speaker 10: everything that you've been speaking about, Mike, a digital ID.
1:00:20
Speaker 10: And also notice this article in the Telegraph where anybody
1:00:23
Speaker 10: suspected of benefit sheating will have their driving license removed.
1:00:28
Speaker 10: But it doesn't stop there because DWP of course intrinsically
1:00:32
Speaker 10: linked to the Departments of Health and there's going to
1:00:35
Speaker 10: be big changes. In February twenty twenty five. We're going
1:00:39
Speaker 10: to be looking at them in a lot more detail.
1:00:42
Speaker 10: But the changes in personal independence payment, which were a
1:00:45
Speaker 10: lifeline to the vaccine injured, could be about to go.
1:00:48
Speaker 10: And I have to ask, is this going to be
1:00:50
Speaker 10: again digital access only? Are you going to have to
1:00:53
Speaker 10: submit your biometric data your one app to get your benefits?
1:00:57
Speaker 10: More to come? And I'm sure are you so?
1:01:01
Speaker 1: I'm quite certain it is going to be digital access only.
1:01:04
Speaker 1: I did have a laugh earlier this week seeing the
1:01:07
Speaker 1: HMRC trying to deny that they are deliberately providing a
1:01:12
Speaker 1: poor phone service, because that was the accusation against them.
1:01:15
Speaker 1: I am certain that's exactly what's going on, because this
1:01:18
Speaker 1: is part of the whole behavioral change effort to get
1:01:22
Speaker 1: people on the digital platforms, despite the sort of friction
1:01:26
Speaker 1: that inevitably, you know, older people in particular are going
1:01:29
Speaker 1: to have for doing that. Mark Let's and the program
1:01:32
Speaker 1: with a little bit of video of Joe Biden just
1:01:35
Speaker 1: introduced this.
1:01:38
Speaker 9: Well, in the tradition of Dwight D. Eisenhower, Joe Biden
1:01:42
Speaker 9: decided to give his you know we're being taken over
1:01:46
Speaker 9: by a military industrial complex speech. In his case, he's
1:01:50
Speaker 9: calling it a wealthy, semi hidden oligarchy. So after fifty
1:01:56
Speaker 9: years of miss governance, you might say, by Joe Biden,
1:02:00
Speaker 9: including as vice president, not just in Congress, and now
1:02:03
Speaker 9: as recently as president, after all that time, he wanted
1:02:06
Speaker 9: to accent his legacy, put a cherry on top. I
1:02:09
Speaker 9: guess with this warn ess of the oligarchy speech, and
1:02:13
Speaker 9: in this particular segment that I chose, he makes a
1:02:17
Speaker 9: statement that really shows what a sham this is. Let's
1:02:20
Speaker 9: go ahead and listen.
1:02:24
Speaker 12: You know, his farewell addressed President Eisenhower spoke of the
1:02:28
Speaker 12: dangers of the military industrial complex. He warned us then
1:02:31
Speaker 12: about my quote the potential for the disastrous rise of
1:02:37
Speaker 12: misplaced power, and the quote six days, six decades later,
1:02:43
Speaker 12: I'm equally concerned about the potential rise of a tech
1:02:47
Speaker 12: industrial complex. It composed real dangers for our country as well.
1:02:53
Speaker 12: Americans are being buried under an avalanche of misinformation and
1:02:57
Speaker 12: disinformation enable to abusive power. The free press is crumbling.
1:03:03
Speaker 12: Hitter's our disappearance. Social media is giving up on fact checking.
1:03:09
Speaker 12: The truth is smothered by lies told for power and
1:03:13
Speaker 12: for profit. We must hold a social platform and accountable
1:03:18
Speaker 12: to protect our children, our families, and our very democracy
1:03:23
Speaker 12: from the abusive power.
1:03:27
Speaker 1: I have to say there's a massive irony and Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden suggesting we've got to protect children. But that's maybe
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Speaker 1: for another conversation some other time. But Mark, we'll talk
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Speaker 1: about that much more an extra. I just thought we
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Speaker 1: should end the program with a final effort from Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden to actually get a speech on it.
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Speaker 2: Nearly elucid moment, nearly elusive, but he'll be retired to
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Speaker 2: the Hall of Presidents at Walt Disney World in Orlando,
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Speaker 2: Florida as an animatronic participant in that great lineup.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, We got to leave it there. Thank you
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Speaker 1: very much, us to Ruth for joining us today. Thank
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Speaker 1: you Debbie and Mark and Patrick, and stay with us.
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Speaker 1: If your UK called a member for UK called News
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Speaker 1: Extra in a few minutes see you then bye bye
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