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On Point With David Stewart · On Point With Jaclyn Jeffrey

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  SPEAKER_00: This episode is sponsored by the Bros Changis Ross team at Coldwell Banker Realty.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Jacqueline with Weston Today, and I'm really excited today to introduce our guest, which is David Stewart.
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  SPEAKER_00: David is the founder of Super Age and AGI, and also the creator of the Super Age games.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're going to learn all about like what this is and what it means in a moment from David.
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  SPEAKER_00: But but the key thing underlying everything, and correct me if I'm wrong, uh, about what you do is um really the belief that perhaps the most exciting chapters of our life perhaps happen later than we might have expected or or been trained to believe.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I think that you know, I'm 67.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I when I was in my 20s, I did not expect this is what 67 would be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and I think that there's there's a lot of messaging out there in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, there are definitely disadvantages um to going older, um, but there are also fantastic advantages.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm smarter, stronger, more capable than I've ever been in my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's because I've had all these years before me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I just saw a headline today or the other day, the Washington Post did a story on people over 65 performing better on certain cognitive tests as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just saw that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let me ask, I know you were a successful commercial photographer.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's where you began.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now you're a thought leader in the area of longevity.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that that's quite a pivot.
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  SPEAKER_00: So how did that happen?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh unintentional.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, what happened was when I was in my mid-50s, I started to see that the pictures I was taking, you know, I was working, I was doing American Express and Nike and a lot of sort of really higher level stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it seemed like I'm always taking pictures of people who are, yeah, roughly 24 to 29, and they're staying, they stay the same age.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get older, my friends get older.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is odd.
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  SPEAKER_01: And all the stuff that was aimed at people my age was just medicalized and infantilized.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was just this message of like, be afraid, be very afraid.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, uh, why?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't understand this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um that's how that was almost it's like 14, 13, 14 years ago that that started.
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  SPEAKER_00: So was it sort of a gradual evolution from the photography to to all of this?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in in the beginning, I really wanted to understand, I was quite puzzled about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and I started looking at the the data on it and seeing like, well, all the consumer spending, all the all the money is here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So why are we talking to 20-year-olds?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't understand this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there about uh nothing against 20-year-olds, but I just thought, like, why is this so skewed this way?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I I came to understand some of the reasons why.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then we started Aegis just as this text-only, like it was this really basically very crude email that went out to like 50 of our friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was, you know, the ambition was like, continue to be our friends because we've we've discovered this thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it's it sort of grew.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in the beginning with Aegis, I took all the pictures, I did all the writing, and I've I have to say, although I I love taking pictures, I I I just I don't have time to do it anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we started SuperAge in, we published the first issue of Super Age in November 2024.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that quickly grew to like 1.2 million people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then this is a uh there's like a whole enterprise now that that goes on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and a lot of it was like it was this huge learning for me when I, as a photographer, I mean I never used PowerPoint, and I didn't know what Google Analytics were like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why would I learn anything?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like Microsoft Word, like whoa, who cares?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so I had to learn everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then along the way, I was able to speak with and learn from and interview, you know, I think the I've podcasted, I think there's like 400 of these so far of like the leading health, medical, science people in the world, and learned a lot from them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the profiles that at Aegis, um, I don't know, I've probably done, I don't know, 600 of them or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they're amazing, especially the high performers that you interview, you know, your regular everyday person on the street who's 60, 70, 80 years old doing these absolutely amazing things, amazing things.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let me ask you, you you sort of started talking about it a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, you're not just talking about like aging gracefully, you're talking about really reframing how you look at life after, say, you know, 50 is an example.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for most people, what do you think they get wrong or the misconceptions people have about their own aging?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think, you know, as I said, there are definite downsides to age.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like there's there's a lot of medical professionals in my life now that were not around when I was 25.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, it's just things wear out, so you have to attend to these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think that these we have tremendous agency out there on what we can learn, what we can do, how we can perform.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have tremendous agency over our health, over our lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're often taught to just sort of suck it up to this grim reality.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you can do that if you want.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but what I like to do, how we started with AGIS and we carried on with superage is that that's one option on the menu, but it is not the only option.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's other things you can do, and a lot of this has to go with your mindset.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's the name of our publication at Superage.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's called the Mindset.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the reason we call it the Mindset is because everything goes through that filter.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you have to believe that you do have capacity, that you can do things, that you're not um, you know, you're not you're not a victim to this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um you you have a say.
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  SPEAKER_01: And depending on what you say, there are different outcomes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I'm I'm 67 and we're launching the Super Age Games, which is this vast audacious undertaking.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I I like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, there are other people for for whom this is not like the right sort of life choice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for them, golf and fishing, and if they okay, no, you know, no shade on them, that's fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there there are other things.
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  SPEAKER_01: This idea that, you know, as you as you brought up, that people are often surprised that like, oh, at 67 you can learn things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, like, you know, don't insult me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I don't have any hair, but it doesn't mean like my brain doesn't work, like, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you, I mean, you just mentioned it a moment when you talk about mindset.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you think about all the people that you talk to, the experts, the high performers, you interview a lot of celebrities, uh, sports figures, etc.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you see a common theme amongst the people that you interview who are reframing their lives?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think it's like again, it's it's it's a lot about mindset.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and it's there's a level of curiosity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um but you need curiosity coupled with action.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: You can't just sit around and be curious.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to act on it, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to like do something.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I and I just I think that's things can be hard, but you know, when we were 18 or 20, like everything was hard.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like, oh my god, like the the the world was just this like with incomprehensible thing to us.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as we've gotten, as you get older, there's this messaging about comfort, you know, like we want to be maximum comfort is like the goal.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, maximum comfort is gonna get you maximum decay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I and I think that the people that I've interviewed with, they you know, like a third of life is super awesome.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: A third of life is like, eh, whatever, and a third of life is hard, but that's just kind of the way it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that understanding that we're we have this capacity and we can undertake hard things, whether it'd be physical things or mental things, emotional things, like we can we can do these things, and it's I I also think it's this idea of priorities that prioritizing what's important.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like to me, um my sleep is just sacred.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I you know, if I'm out with people at like 8 30, I it's like I'm sorry, I'm going to home now because I'm going to bed.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, I might get some nowadays I don't get as many looks at like as I used to when I would say this, but it's you know, what are your priorities?
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  SPEAKER_01: Are your is sleep important to you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is taking care of your body important to you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is like speaking to your friends important to you, or doom scrolling or you know, like television or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like you get you get to choose.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's your life, you get to choose.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, one of the things that you talk about is a difference between people looking at defining living long longevity as just living longer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you talk about it differently.
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  SPEAKER_00: You talk about it in terms of health span and vitality.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what what's the difference?
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  SPEAKER_01: My goal is for everyone is to be maximally alive.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I want you to be the most fullest alive version of yourself that you can be.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's different than how long can you live?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think the you know, this idea there's a lot of talk out there about longevity, and this has yet to be proven.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying that it's not gonna happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a pretty good chance it will happen, but what we do know is we can increase what we call our health span, which is the amount of time that we're healthy and functioning and living the lives that we want to live.
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  SPEAKER_01: That can be quite different from lifespan if like the last 10 years of your life you're you know hooked up to a bunch of tubes.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like that doesn't sound too good to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and I'm this might sound kind of morbid, but personally, I want my health span to exactly equate to my lifespan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I want to be healthy, healthy, healthy, then no more David.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's like that, that seems like a like a good outcome to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you've built, and you talked a little bit about this at the start, you've built a brand around a demographic that most mainstream media tends to downplay or ignore.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, it is changing a little bit, I think, for men and women, and just a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I'm wondering why do you think that mainstream media has, and to some extent still does, really underestimate people over 50?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh all right, I'm gonna be mean.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Laziness, basically.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're just lazy and they're frightened.
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  SPEAKER_01: So media people like to repeat things that they've seen in the past because they don't like to take risks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, a lot of the people running communications, be they creative directors, CMOs, people like that at corporations who are in charge of these campaigns, um, tend to be younger.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and if they are our age and they are living in this sort of vital way, they view themselves as exceptions, not the rule.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it is vastly easier to communicate with a 20-year-old than it is with a 55-year-old.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Vastly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um people at 20.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was 20, so I can say this.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's basically a monoculture.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really it you can communicate almost around the world to somebody that age, and they're gonna understand what you're talking about.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: What happens is you get older, the demographics like radically splits, and there's all kinds of other issues that come into it.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it's um it's a lot easier to speak to a cohesive group than a divergent group.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's a higher skill level.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's just as somebody said to me, we market to young people because that's what we know how to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's just sort of ingrained, and there's nothing there, you know, it does make a lot of sense because if you're if you're a brand, you're a company, you want to have younger people coming in so that your brand stays vital long term.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the argument there is that if somebody's 50, there's a very good chance they're gonna be alive for another 40 or 50 years, and that's a pretty long consuming ramp.
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  SPEAKER_01: So why not?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, they probably got the disposable income to buy your thing, whatever it is.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it's it's it's a much, much more complex messaging issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the and a lot of it is, you know, this sort of like the split along um health and geo and and now like politics, these things, everything is sort of fragmented, but you layer on this thing age dysmorphia.
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  SPEAKER_01: So although I'm 67, I don't feel like that.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like some days I feel like I'm 37.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I did this ridiculous thing yesterday where I went to like the local um place where they they practice like on trampolines and stuff, like the gymnastics place.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: And because I wanted to learn a front flip and a backflip, which I did not very well, but I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you did it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's not an age thing, that's just a thing.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was surrounded by like six-year-olds.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is kind of humorous, but um, you know, I'm a little sore today, so I don't feel 37 today.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like today, maybe I feel like 55, but you have this difference of how how one feels on the inside, how one looks on the outside.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so that becomes super confusing if you want to communicate with someone, especially if you're the the most complex of that is in like women's beauty.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so it's always like, well, well, we should show an older face, but it it someone may not feel, even if they're 60, they don't want to see a 60 year old because in their in their minds that day they're 40, so they want to identify with that.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it gets it's it's it's very complicated.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: I know I understand I hadn't thought of that, but uh, but I but I certainly understand.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to ask you, you mentioned about the super games, which are very super age games, yeah, yeah.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: But I I don't I want to do it justice.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna read to you from your website putting my glasses on, uh, exactly what you write in terms of the super age games.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: You say most fitness events measure how fast you run or how much you can lift.
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  SPEAKER_00: The super age games measure something more important, which is how well, how long you will live well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, first of all, how did the idea come about?
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  SPEAKER_00: And like, what is it all about with the superage games?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, it came, so I'm I'm name drop here.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm I I have these like high-level athlete friends, and one of them is Peekaboo Street.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was in the park hanging out with Peekaboo.
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  SPEAKER_01: This was last summer, and she was preparing for the Cortina Olympics.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's um works with NBC, and we were talking about the Olympics, and I often talk to her about her competing days and her like how that, like the mental component of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we were talking about this a little bit, and I said, I said, Peek, I want to do superage games that are based on longevity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she should have looked at me like ours.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got out of my mind.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, fair enough, she's you know, gold medal Olympian.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: So like she's like, like, who is this mutt talking to me about, you know, games?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I came back to my team and I said, We're gonna do the superage games.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, What is this?
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, We're gonna find the the testable and trainable longevity markers out there, and we're gonna create this challenge around them that's that's games.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so what we did is we got together with the Buck Institute on Aging, um, which is a scientific institute that um talks about um talks about aging and and what happens to the body and the mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what we did is we created six, so there are eight challenges, and six of them are physical because it your your physicality is a big part of this, and there's sort of like how long can you hang from a pole is how is refers to your grip strength, which is a direct indication for how long you're gonna live.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so there's there's sort of other proxies around your aerobic capacity, your balance, things like this.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have a cognitive test.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like how well is essentially how is your brain working?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have a social test that's how well can you interact with other people, because actually, one of the number one indicators of your lifespan is how many friends you got and do you interact with them.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's gonna that's gonna matter more than your blood cholesterol.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so so we brought all that together, and I said, okay, I want this to be very social.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't want this to be one of these sort of beastie festivals of like big hairy guys throwing rocks or something, right?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like, what's the point of that?
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we put in a team component and we encourage people to come as teams.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I think something like 40% of the people who have signed up so far are coming as a team.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, as a team, sometimes what'll happen, it'll be a family group, sometimes it's a work group, sometimes it'll be people coming from like a gym.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: And we set these, we set these challenges up so that really anyone can do this.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I think our youngest competitor, I think, is 26.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: And we've got a couple of 80-year-olds.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: We have people coming in from Europe, we have people coming in from Asia, they're coming in from all over the country.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: In New York?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so the games are November 7th in Manhattan.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: We we have rented out the armory track in northern Manhattan, which is a, I have to say, if if you come and you walk into that room, you're gonna say to yourself, wow, I am somebody just for being, I mean, it's a serious room where world records have been set.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's and to be a competitor there.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it's by competitor, what I mean by this is there will there will be people who are there to win in some way.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's fine.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: But for most people, what this is about, it's a way of being.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's you know, we talk about something like high rocks or a marathon, things like this.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: They're about momentary intensity.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's you go in and you do this thing, and it requires, you know, it's good you sort of focus on this for a period of time, but then that's over.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm more interested in how long can you perform?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Can you how what's your capacity?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: What is your durable capacity going forward?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so, as part of the games, we created this training platform called the standard.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: And if you do the, you know, if you do this training, I can tell you you're going to live healthier longer.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: And we hope that you keep doing this.
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  SPEAKER_01: So people can compete as, you know, you get a score as a team, you'll get um at the end of the games, you get your superage age.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: And we tell you, based on these markers, based on population studies, we correct for gender and 10 10-year age blocks.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is sort of where you're at.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: And we I just think that this is going to be this joyous celebration.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like it, sure.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna be super fun.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, is the plan to do it and on an annual basis?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this is the first one.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: So people, we've already been in contact with people, people in the Middle East, people in Asia have reached out to us.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: There are a couple other cities that we're exploring for 2027.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: But this is going to be a very large um enterprise.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it also sounds, I don't know if this was the intent or it's just sort of like organic natural evolution, but it sounds like the natural way to evolve all the conversations you've had, all that you've learned, and how to put it into something that's that's tangible for a lot of people.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's a longevity experience.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the thing.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's it's a physical experience with everybody together, this sort of commonality of wanting to be better versions of themselves, but not in this sort of weird, like I know Brian Johnson and like that whole like I mean, do you really want to live like that?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is that the life you want?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, we want to be these whole humans.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's so much more than just this sort of biohacky markers on some kind of scoreboard.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that just
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is very kind of scary weird.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I know exactly who you're talking about.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen the pictures, it's uh it's very scary, especially when you put them side by side with his son, and you're not quite sure.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like I mean, I know Brian, I like Brian.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Brian's a weirdo.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: I you know, I can say that, but Brian, Brian's okay with what I love about Brian is he is genuinely Brian.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing, there's no artifice.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of people in this space that's sort of dodgy.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um I from what I know, he's not.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, you know, no Brian.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I get it.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: So let me ask you so you've had so many conversations with, as I said, you know, high performers, athletes, celebrities, uh, scientists, etc., all the people that you just mentioned.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: So two things.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: One, what has it taught you for yourself about reinvention?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: And what what do you think?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: How how has your life changed, do you think, from all that you've learned?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think the more I've sort of thought about this, this idea of reinvention, and I think it's a bit of a, we need to be a little careful with that word because it it sort of implies there's something wrong now, and we need to change whatever this is to something else.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's more of a road of evolution.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the thing here is becoming the people we were born to be.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that this is it's um, it's a continuum, right?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like a I'm here, I'm gonna change this, I'm gonna, you know, take a basket reaving in Oaxaca or something like, I don't know, whatever you want to do.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think that it's really about the older we, the older we get, we get to know ourselves better.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: And we get to know things that work for us, people that work for us, and then people that don't, and behaviors that don't.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: The the way that I was living when I was 35 would not work for me now.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's but that's sort of part of me.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it's this I I like the idea of this, you know, becoming this person you were born to be.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm somewhat I know it works for some people, they're like, okay, like here I am.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna, I've decided to reinvent myself.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna, I'm gonna move to Portugal and I'm gonna do this, whatever.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: But wherever you go, you're there with you.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I and I I I feel like the the goal here is to to is to become more of this person, wherever you are, whatever you do, and understanding what's the suit of clothes that works for you now.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like what's the what's the language that works for you?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: What's the you know, the set of behaviors that work for you and become sort of right-sized to the person you are is more how I look at it from I reinvention?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think I don't know, I'm sort of like increased.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: The more I hear this, it's sort of it, it's there's something about that word that's sort of like No, I get it.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's sort of more like becoming who you were always meant to be versus changing who you are.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, I understand I understand what you mean.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: So this might be an unfair question, but do you think you could define what aging well means to you in in a sentence or two?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I key on the word aliveness.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that becoming maximally alive at whatever age you are, and I think that we oftentimes diminish ourselves, and we think that we have a we have an erroneous idea that we cannot become the maximally alive version of ourselves because of whatever, what'll people think, or maybe I'm not that person, or and and I mean this goes for somebody who's 15 and somebody who's 85.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I think that as we get a little older, sometimes, not always, for some people, they've you you come to this idea of like, well, what are they gonna do to me?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how like what's the downside to me actually being me?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: And we we come to realize that the cost benefit there, the risk of not being you, is so much greater than you know actually becoming this person you're born to be.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: There's I didn't there was this there's an old movie called On the Waterfront and um Marlon Brando, and he says, I could have been a contender, and I don't want to be that.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't wanna, I don't wanna co-be anything.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I want to say, I did this, I failed.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: I did this, it worked.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I I did my best to become this person that I was born to be and to bring all of that into the world.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: That I think is that is that is aging well.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it, I don't think it has to do with where you live or what you do.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's really this other thing.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I think that oftentimes we get confused with some of the messaging that's out there.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, but I it's really the that's the big thing, right?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like, did I go on the cruise to Antarctica?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I would like to go to Antarctica, I really like penguins, they look kind of cool, I would like to see them.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: But thinking about the the big picture, like the big thing is at the end of the line, and there will be an end.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: What do you look back and say?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Is that you could have been a contenda?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Are you are like I should have done this thing?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I no, you want to say, like, I put it all out there.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was given this live, I was given this life, and I did it.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you are so inspirational.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Now you're in different places.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: So before I let you go, a couple of things.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: One, where can people find you, including the super games, and if there's still room or time room to sign up, it's absolutely, absolutely.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: So um, please, everyone come to the Super Age Games, they're just they're gonna be amazing.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: And when you sign up, you get this, you get this training platform that we've worked on with all these scientists, and it's really kind of great.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't matter.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: I we had a 70-year-old, 78-year-old woman sign up, and she said she was a little like she had some trepidation about going.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: She tried to hang from a bar, she could hang for three seconds, um, but she wanted to like really sort of give this her all.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Good for her.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that's that's the spirit.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and you know, if she can go, if she can increase her dead hang to six seconds, like that's amazing.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing, sure.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: So superage games, is it superagegames.com.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Can people go there?
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Go to game games.superage.com.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: And you can sign up.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's still tickets available.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: We would love to have you.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone who comes.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they're nine, we have 960 spaces.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: We can't, that's our maximum capacity.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: So when those are gone, that's gonna be it.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that's one.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then what's your uh Instagram handle for uh AGES?
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, we are AGIS.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this has been a complete delight.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: And instead of saying goodbye and thank you, I'm going to conclude the way.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know if you realize you do this often on your emails, which I read religiously, which is instead of saying goodbye and thank you, to say, of course thank you and onward and upward.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I do that, don't I read them.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: I read you might not read them, I read them.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but this has been a delight.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: You are such an inspiration.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: You make aging seem like aspirational in in a lot of ways.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I really, really appreciate the time.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much, Patrick.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: Take care.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, David.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 30:23
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