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Episode 007 - Oscars Predictions and Our Favorite Films of 2025 (feat. woodcock.tv) · Totally Normal Folks

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  Yeah. I didn't catch that.
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  Oh no, I caught it. Never mind.
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  Yep, just hang a little bit. You try to fool us, all right,
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  y'all? No banter in the beginning.
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  We're gonna head. Straight.
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  The banter, you have so much time.
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  Last time we did banter, it went too long.
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  Yeah. How?
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  Long did it take Can't. Remember like. 10 minutes. 10
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  minutes, Yeah. Tell me more about that.
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  Anyway, y'all welcome back to the Only Normal Folks podcast.
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  I'm your host for this episode Aria.
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  And of course we got our Co host Dan and finally back missing
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  from last episode, Satya. Hey special guest today we got
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  the movie man himself People AKA with cock.tv.
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  Welcome to the show, man. Yeah, what's good?
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  Fucking fantastic. Yeah, yeah, dude.
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  This is, by the way, this one. Doesn't Aria have such a great
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  radio voice? You both do, actually.
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  Oh, thank you. I mean, makes sense considering.
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  Yeah, they're both news anchors. They're kind of.
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  Like built for it. Yeah, that's that's really kind
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  of you. That's really kind of odd to say
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  I I want you to continue feeding my ego right now.
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  You have such a great voice this.
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  Is not the episode to glaze. No, we got a guest.
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  We do. We got a guest over here, famed
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  TikTok and Instagram movie reviewer, movie guy overall.
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  He just, he wants to talk about movies.
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  We'll talk. Hey dude, how you been man?
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  How's how's movies bro? How's movies?
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  Is cinema back bro? Is.
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  Cinema back. I think so you.
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  Reckon. I think movies are back.
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  Movies are back, yeah. Movies are so back.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched Marty Supreme last
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  night. Yeah, the Big 1.
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  So I just found out that you guys already watched it.
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  Yeah. At home, right?
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  Yeah. We pirated that shit, yeah.
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  No, we didn't pirate it. Oh no, no, everything,
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  everything we did, we watched. We watched legally.
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  Right, right, right. Yeah.
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  So I was, I was like, so please. Go.
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  On yeah, I saw in like my letterbox, like my friends, all
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  my friends, they've seen it right and I was like, bro, like
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  I got to see this, but I want to see it on a big screen.
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  I want to see it with a crowd. Yeah yeah because like I think I
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  just had a feeling that it's a movie that you should watch with
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  a crowd with with your friends and stuff like that.
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  So I've been like holding, holding myself to not watch it
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  right like and I watched it last night even though I got an
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  invite to watch it today right And in the big studio and
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  stadium the the certificate right.
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  But I passed on that so I could like watch it yesterday so I can
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  prepare for it. This podcast look.
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  At this guys. And I just.
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  Got and I found out that you guys already seen at.
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  Home like he's like these are fake cinephiles or no we they're
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  watching at home. We didn't.
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  See it at home, We saw it somewhere.
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  Right. Yeah, nobody can.
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  Do it. Yeah.
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  OK. Yeah, yeah.
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  I I have a friend that at 824 who was like.
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  You know. Was a big fan on the podcast.
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  And was able to lend me a a. Fully legal.
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  Puppy. Yeah, yeah, I didn't even watch
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  that. I had a guy just transcribed the
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  whole movie to me like via like just like voice call.
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  But anyway. We had we.
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  I kind of skimmed over this, but for those of you at home, for
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  those of the audience at home who don't know you, give us,
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  yeah, we don't know wood cock. Tell us a little bit about
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  yourself, buddy. OK, I'm people from Woodcock TV
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  and I talk about movies. And they are the.
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  Best they are. The best?
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  Yeah, Yeah. That's a, that's a good way to
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  describe it. But like, you know, you're,
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  you're I, I, I found you organically on the FYP before, I
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  think probably before we did like DNF, then you're scrolling.
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  And then I found maybe I can't remember what video it was, but
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  like you just had such a kind because you always start your
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  videos like, Hey, Chad. And I'm like, you know, this,
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  this is my guy. And.
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  He's speaking my language. Speaking my language like, hey,
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  yeah. And you're, they're pretty,
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  pretty big on tech socket, pretty big in the in the Jakarta
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  cinephile circles, you know. So that's what we're going to
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  want to talk about today. We're talking about movies.
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  We're talking about 2025 movies specifically.
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  We're talking about Oscars. We're talking about Indonesian
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  cinema. And we're hoping to have this
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  episode released before the Oscars, right?
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  Yeah. Yeah, When is the Oscars again?
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  Is it March? March 16th.
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  March 15th. 16th, it's not the 21st of February.
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  So you have approximately, we have approximately.
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  This is going to be the hardest I ever worked. 443 and a half
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  weeks before. There's a hard deadline for this
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  one. I'm saying you're saying we if
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  we are, we also participate in post production which we don't.
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  You're right. Yeah, Daniel.
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  It's all up to him. It's all up to him, you.
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  Got this? You got.
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  This. He's got this.
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  He's got this. If you're watching this, you'll
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  know if he made it or not. Yeah.
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  But anyway, 2025 in movies, you guys.
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  Yeah, years, you know, we close out the year, the Oscars coming
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  up. We know the nominees and
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  everything, but a lot of movies came out, a lot of a lot of good
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  ones, a lot of stinkers as usual, you know?
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  What were the stinkers? Oh, we'll get to that.
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  OK. But you know, I we want to start
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  on a more positive note here and I want to talk about what each
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  of our individual I'm doing a letterbox thing now. 4.
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  Favourites Our four favourites of the year.
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  So basically this is like it doesn't have to be movies that
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  you watched in 2025 in the year 2025, but it needs to be movies
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  that were released in 20/25/2020.
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  Five. Yeah, right.
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  I need to remember what they are that came out in 2025.
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  I can, I'll go first. Yeah, 1st is my.
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  Favorite OH. Minecraft.
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  Movie The Micro. Yeah, yeah.
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  That came out. Are we all going to just like
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  volunteer one movie and go just like?
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  Yeah, let's let's do one. Let's let's volunteer.
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  One, yeah, that's a good. Way everyone can.
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  That's a good idea. That's a good idea.
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  All right, 11 movie that is kind of like obvious.
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  I feel like you all you all know this.
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  It's a it's a crowd pleaser with critics and also just like
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  general movie going audience the best picture nominee.
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  I'm of course talking about Ryan Coogler's incredible, the like,
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  incredibly devoted, super passionate ode to Black history,
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  Black music, the Blues Thinners. Yeah, sinners.
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  You know what? Michael B Jordan, Michael E
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  Jordan and Michael A and Michael B is crazy.
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  They got. They got both of them.
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  In the same me. That's crazy.
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  But like sinners definitely on my one of my 4 favorites.
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  What about you guys? Yeah, you took the words right
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  in my mouth. Like sinners in my top.
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  It's been in my top. Like it's been fluctuating
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  around like top three movies of the year.
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  Yeah. It's always been in top three.
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  Yeah, Ever since this came out, I think maybe it fell off like a
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  bit to to the fifth spot maybe, but it's always been in my top
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  five, top three, yeah. Well, what what really stood out
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  for you in that movie, man? Again, as you said, I think it
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  was the passion. It was the, it was just a, the
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  blend that like it was, it's a genre film, right?
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  It's a genre film, but he made it.
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  He made it like it's a Are we allowed to talk about spoilers
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  here? Yeah, So what we're going to do
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  or we'll we'll talk about spoilers.
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  We'll most of the movies that we'll talk about right now will
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  have spoilers. And don't worry, we'll have like
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  spoiler time codes so you can skip.
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  We're going to talk about sinners.
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  Anytime a movie comes up, they're going to be spoilers, so
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  thinner spoilers here. Skip to this time code if you
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  want to skip it, but go ahead. Yeah, it's like it's a vampire
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  movie, right? Yeah, Yeah.
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  But then he he used that and he he like, he.
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  How do I say this? I feel like it's he made, he
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  made it his own, you know, like his, his, his, his, his take on
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  a, on the vampire genre. Then he used like black music,
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  the Blues and all that and fused all of that and created like
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  this like surprise hit right? Like no one, no one knew no one.
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  Cause like, Warner gave him like a really like unique kind of
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  deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  About the rights right. Yeah, so after like 20 years or
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  something, like he's allowed to. He he owns.
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  He owns, he will own sinners. Yeah, like.
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  Own sinners, as in like the the. The rights to the movie.
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  Yeah, the rights to the movie. Yeah, the.
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  Rights to the movie. Yeah.
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  So I don't think like, I think Warner didn't know that it was
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  going to be like this. Big of a hit this big.
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  Yeah. They're like fuck.
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  Yeah, I thought it was again. They were like, I thought it
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  would suck. No, yeah, because genre movies
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  aren't usually that wide acclaim, right.
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  They're they're usually like they have they have like a maybe
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  not even a niche audience because technically the the the
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  biggest movies of the last 10 years are all genre movies and
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  they're all superhero movies, right.
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  Yeah. So sometimes genres can have
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  like a large niche. But like, I guess they just
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  weren't like, Oh yeah. It's like, you know, horror
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  flick. Yeah.
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  It's a cougar's name is attached to it.
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  Maybe they were like. And it's and it's rarely that
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  genre movies, especially horror, get recognition from the
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  Academy. Yes.
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  That's a big thing. Horror and comedy are famously
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  always nubbed. I think they're like the it's
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  not not curious, it's not true. Not true cinema.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not true cinema, Not true
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  cinema. What about you, Satya?
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  What's What is one of your first of your four favorites?
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  Listen, I'm going to say we've already talked about sinners, so
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  I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna choose that.
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  I'm going to say a superhero movie.
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  It's Superman. Superman. 2020.
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  Five. The big crowd pleaser, that one.
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  I because James Gunn always a great director, always his films
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  always have, you know, heart, you know, and, and, and, and
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  soul. And I think I'm, I, I used to be
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  the kind of person who really like, who, who really
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  appreciated like all of the filmmaking techniques and the
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  difficulties, you know, the, the cinematography, the editing, the
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  sound. But lately, the, the more, the
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  more, the, the older I got. I'm not that old, but the older
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  I, but the, but the older I get, the more I like, really start to
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  appreciate, you know, stories. Yeah.
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  And sort of the narrative and more towards like the script
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  and, and the things that they say.
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  Yeah. And in that aspect, James Gunn
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  never gets it wrong. In fact, I just watched
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  Guardians of the Galaxy 3 last. Again.
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  And that was quintessential, you know, James Gunn as well, wasn't
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  it? It launched the, it launched the
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  movement bro launched the hope core movement.
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  It really. Did.
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  Oh yeah, it really did. Yeah.
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  I think it's I I remember my friend telling me that.
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  Like actually him who is? Our Yeah, I was, I was.
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  Hey, I've been meaning to ask like who?
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  Who is? That.
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  Gentleman. Just behind this.
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  Thumbs up 1. Of our former hosts.
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  Oh yeah, but. Then we've been wondering the
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  whole time, Master. 'S degree so right with hard
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  work, Kim. Yeah.
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  Right, OK, but yeah, 'cause we we shout out Kim.
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  He's here with us in spirit, yeah.
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  Yeah, for real. I've completely forgot like I I
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  was, I was waiting until someone kind of like who the fuck is
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  this? I just pointed out because
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  because at a point at at a certain point, we kind of just
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  forgot to. Like you.
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  Just kind of blends into it. Yeah, yeah.
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  We just pretty much normalized it, yeah.
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  You were saying? Oh, no, yeah, like, like he just
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  liked the movie because it was just it was just fun.
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  It was just pure fun. Superman, pure whimsy.
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  Yeah, yeah. And I think that's good.
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  I like, I like movies with a lot of whimsy.
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  Return to whimsy, I say in. Movies I.
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  Agree. And in the time that superhero,
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  superhero movies are kind of having a decline a little bit,
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  yeah, people are getting really. Fatigued.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you?
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  Are you a big superhero movie guy?
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  No, I can honestly say that I haven't.
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  Like there's a few big ones I haven't seen, but like, yeah, I
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  think I, I think after end game I was like, I checked out, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, I feel you. I checked out.
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  So I just I, I, I didn't watch like Eternals.
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  I didn't. I didn't see.
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  And like you didn't watch. Anything you didn't watch?
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  No, honestly. I didn't see like what?
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  Else is there. Captain Marvel sequel or?
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  Yeah, the Marvel I completely. Forgot the Marvel?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I but yeah, Superman, it was
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  a big surprise for me. Like I didn't, I came into
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  theatre like I had like I was very skeptical, skeptical on, on
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  Superman. Like I, yeah, again, as you say,
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  like the fatigue was just, it was, I was, I was already
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  checked out of the of the the superhero thing.
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  But then like, yeah, it surprised me because it had a
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  lot of heart. It was very it felt like very
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  like a lot of these superhero movies.
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  They're I'm comparing it to like James to like Zack Snyder
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  already, but like they feel like very like self serious and like.
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  Yeah. Yeah, and this one is just
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  Superman is just like, you know, it's a it's a comic book
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  superhero movie. Like it's.
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  It leans into its identity. It's a movie for.
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  Kids mainly, right? 'Cause they usually.
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  Were like, yeah, for like teenagers having like a fun time
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  and I think I don't know it just because, like Marvel between
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  him, such an empire that was like, we have to get everybody.
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  You have to be serious. We're serious.
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  We're. Serious movies for serious.
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  People. Like, I mean, and somehow Marvel
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  still fucking failed that for some reason.
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  Yeah, yeah. Like, 'cause if, if, if I were
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  to think of like, OK, what's a superhero movie that's like
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  super serious, super grounded, but also like very, very, like,
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  I don't know, like certified cinema mode, It would be Batman.
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  Is it? 2020 Are you talking about
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  Nolan's bad? No, no.
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  Are you talking about Matthew? Batman.
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  Oh, the. The best?
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  Batman, right? The best Batman.
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  The best Batman I will. Do I'm.
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  Sorry, I will die. Even better than a dark The Dark
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  Knight, because The Dark Knight was fucking lit, dude.
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  No, no. Yeah, I love The Dark Knight.
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  I love Christopher Nolan, but I'm sorry, yeah, The Batman 2022
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  to takes my seat as the best Batman, I think.
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  Interesting. My.
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  Favorite superhero movie of all of.
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  All time I'm. Sorry all.
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  Time is crazy, no? Yeah.
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  But I can respect that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, I think it's just like I, I think brief tangent, but like
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  Nolan and Reeves has a very different take on like noir.
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  Yeah, very different. Take on Noir cause like, yeah,
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  like it's like I think Nolan said in one interview once he
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  what he, what he really wants to make is like a James Bond movie.
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  Yeah. He's like, and I appreciate that
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  it's not bad like it's. Very realistic.
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  It's very realistic, like you know, they do with.
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  The fact they're cool, bro. Tactical, yeah, yeah.
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  Got to got to go to the basement with Morgan Freeman.
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  It's going to tell you how everything works, right?
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  No. But then The Batman, yeah.
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  Matt Reeves Batman is just like it.
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  It's really, it was like super noir.
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  It was like, which is like truly, I think where what like
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  the, the, the, the roots of the genre of it was so dark and
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  dingy. It felt moldy and cold all the
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  time. We'd be like, that's, that's my
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  shit. Bro I know what?
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  You mean? I know what you're saying
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  though, Like I understand. Yeah, When, when, when, when,
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  when we were watching, when, when I was watching like,
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  Christopher Nolan's Batman series, I felt like I was
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  watching something happening in New York.
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  Whereas in yeah whereas. In Chicago?
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  Yeah, Chicago. Yeah, Chicago.
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  Sorry. Like a lot of the establishing
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  shots of Chicago. Exactly.
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  Yeah. Whereas in like The Batman,
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  yeah, I felt like I was. Gone City.
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  Yeah, you know what exactly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Because they did some really like clever CGI where they like
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  they shot in like Edinburgh and like Glasgow.
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  They shot in London shit. Yeah.
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  And then what they did was like they were also, they would also
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  shoot in places like, you know, like, like New York and stuff
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  like that. But then they would like CGI all
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  the buildings in the background to make it look like super extra
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  gothic, like a bunch of gargoyles everywhere.
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  It was a lot of rotoscoping, right?
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  Yeah, a lot of rotoscoping. Very interesting.
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  Yeah, and another also mentioned the the the score by Michael
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  Giacchino was also like amazing. It made it really feel like
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  super gothic with the with the big like organs and the the
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  massive score. So yeah.
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  The Batman, a film that famously came out in 2022?
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  Yeah. Derailed the conversation.
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  Already. Yeah, what was?
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  Your favorite film for. 20. 5. Give me one.
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  Give me. One, OK, we already talked about
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  Sinners and Superman. I'm going to go another
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  superhero flick. I really loved Thunderbolts.
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  Thunderbolts. Yeah, yes.
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  Oh. Go on, go on.
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  Yeah, so broke that. Thoughts.
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  I would love to hear that. No, like I because I, I I
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  totally felt like, oh shit, I I totally felt like the the
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  fatigue, the marvel fatigue. I really I like yeah, I watched
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  is everything post end game was like super mad.
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  Like I think the only thing that stood out to me was like no way
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  home. But then I hated Multiverse of
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  Madness, not Raimi's best flick. And then like, yeah, Eternals,
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  like Marvels and Captain Marvel just kind of suck.
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  I really wanted to like Black Panther 2.
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  I found it. Superman.
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  When did that come out 20/24/20? 4/24.
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  It was after, Yeah. Chadwick, right?
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  Yeah. And like people were being like,
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  OK, Thunderbolts is like, 'cause they went with like the a 24
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  marketing of it. Right.
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  Yeah, right. It was an A-24.
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  Movie that would be like they were like, yeah, putting all the
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  names of the A. 24 yeah yeah, yeah they even like edited it to
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  like the A24A trailer and. Yes, I completely forgot about
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  that trailer. Yeah, whereas like look at all
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  these important people in better.
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  Movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, And it felt like, I thought it was funny, but then
• 18:26
  the marketing got really old. It was sort of like Marvel
• 18:29
  Studios being like, please, we can still make good movies
• 18:33
  because. Seriously.
• 18:34
  Yeah. It was trying hard.
• 18:36
  Yeah, it was trying super hard and it felt it felt really
• 18:38
  desperate and I I didn't know it like that.
• 18:40
  So I went to the movie sort of to gave it like gave it a good
• 18:43
  try and it was it really took me by surprise because I really was
• 18:50
  expecting like it. It had none of like the usual
• 18:53
  marvelisms like oh, the really like the constant flow of
• 18:57
  comedy, the yeah, just like the the, the like the world ending
• 19:04
  stakes because like it's. Very personal.
• 19:06
  Up, yeah, up to like this, like the 45 or like the 50 minute
• 19:10
  mark of that movie. They're still just in a cave
• 19:12
  talking to each other and be like.
• 19:14
  That's my shit. Like, yeah, small stakes, very
• 19:17
  character driven plot points. Like lots of lots of trauma.
• 19:22
  I love it when when people get to like talk about like trauma
• 19:25
  and like super weird genre ways. And also like I think Marvel has
• 19:32
  like a third act problem these days where it's going to be
• 19:34
  like, we are going to make the world end somehow.
• 19:38
  And then we're going to cancel the world ending.
• 19:40
  And then we're going to go to the next movie and somehow
• 19:43
  everyone's going to still pretend that the world is
• 19:45
  normal. Yeah, right.
• 19:47
  That. And like, I think they just like
• 19:51
  it, it becomes a crotch where they like, we're going to pour
• 19:54
  so much budget into the third act and that's going to that's
• 19:57
  and then the writing usually kind of suffers, right.
• 20:00
  And then for Thunderbolts, they really like narrowed down the
• 20:03
  scope where like you think you were going to get like a massive
• 20:06
  like world ending thing. Like, you know, with like all
• 20:09
  the people are getting like shadow vanished or whatever.
• 20:12
  And then they, they, they, they reel the, the, the scope back to
• 20:16
  like just like going through like all the different, like.
• 20:18
  Shame rooms and like the. Yeah, yeah.
• 20:20
  And I was like, OK, this movie cares more about the characters
• 20:23
  and they cares about like the spectacle.
• 20:26
  And I really, really like respected that.
• 20:28
  And yeah, then so that was like, yeah, I think it was.
• 20:31
  It's very, very high on my list just because like it remind it
• 20:36
  kind of like saved Marvel for me because I was going to be like,
• 20:39
  yeah, I think I'm done with Marvel, Not never going to do
• 20:40
  this again. Where I.
• 20:41
  It's just going to be like, yeah, well, it's just like, I
• 20:46
  think it was it, it just got like into like this big media
• 20:49
  empire that didn't really care, just like pushing on slop.
• 20:51
  And then they made this one be like, you know what?
• 20:54
  Yeah. But there there's still people
• 20:55
  who care about like these characters, like tied to these
• 20:59
  projects. And it just got sort of like,
• 21:01
  yeah, make me. It was the first good Marvel
• 21:03
  movie I seen in like 2 1/2 years.
• 21:06
  Thought I was going to be like, you know what, this deserves a
• 21:08
  seat. And also, yeah.
• 21:09
  And also just like, I like the like like the character driven
• 21:13
  plot, very, very small stakes. It was just really about them
• 21:16
  being there for each other rather than like trying to like
• 21:19
  save the world, which I think was like what early Marvel was
• 21:21
  like what like the first Avengers was just, you know,
• 21:25
  them having conflict with each other and then resolving it.
• 21:28
  And I think. And there was a big beam that
• 21:30
  shoot up the disguise. That's true, but I think it.
• 21:33
  Started the big It started the big.
• 21:35
  Blue beam. The big beam.
• 21:37
  The. Third eye, Yeah, but.
• 21:39
  What do you think about Thunderbolts?
• 21:40
  Thunderbolts. I hear you, bro, Like yeah, I
• 21:44
  hear you. And I I liked where it was
• 21:47
  going, like towards the third act, like I like the what did
• 21:53
  he, what he what did he do to the to the people like he like I
• 21:56
  kind. Of Did he make people into
• 21:58
  shadows? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:59
  He shadow banned them. Shadow Yeah, he shadow banned
• 22:04
  like. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:05
  Is that? Power of Disco mod and.
• 22:09
  I like. I like like it was dark.
• 22:11
  It was dark, like I didn't know like that Marvel would would
• 22:15
  would was like I didn't know that they they.
• 22:18
  'D have the balls to do. They had the balls there to like
• 22:20
  make people like disappear and turn them into shadows like like
• 22:23
  that. But then like at the end, I
• 22:26
  think it was all reversed again or something.
• 22:27
  It was. All reversed.
• 22:28
  Again, Yeah. So I just felt like, yeah, I was
• 22:30
  like, So what? Like.
• 22:33
  There's no real, like, stakes, Yeah, like.
• 22:36
  There's no consequence of like, it was like what he did.
• 22:42
  I think yeah, I don't know, I I might be like missing.
• 22:46
  No, Yeah, yeah, I, I totally get what you're coming from.
• 22:48
  It's like they kind of like reversed everything and be like,
• 22:50
  no, don't worry. Yeah, exactly.
• 22:54
  Yeah, that like I, I didn't like that.
• 22:56
  I also didn't really like know what the point of having like
• 23:00
  Sebastian Stan there was like. He's there for that.
• 23:04
  He's. There for like that, that set
• 23:06
  piece on the road, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 23:08
  Yeah, it was. It was a bad ass scene, Yeah,
• 23:10
  but like. It is, yeah.
• 23:11
  His character was like. You think he didn't have enough
• 23:13
  time to like gel with the rest? Like have it.
• 23:16
  Yeah, like, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:19
  He didn't. He was.
• 23:19
  He was in. He was in Brave New World.
• 23:21
  Right. It was Brave New World.
• 23:24
  Yeah, unfortunately, yeah. Yeah.
• 23:27
  Oh yeah. It was a very small like.
• 23:29
  One scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:32
  It sounds like he came off like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:36
  Isn't the joke that like Sebastian Stan is famously
• 23:39
  underused where like he only shows up in movies for like 5
• 23:42
  minutes at a time? Right.
• 23:43
  Yeah, yeah. Glorious. 5 minutes, yeah.
• 23:45
  I will, I will. You know, I will disagree with
• 23:48
  you slightly on that point because like I, I love Sebastian
• 23:51
  Stan's presence there as like the misfit that everyone kind of
• 23:57
  grow grew to love. And this was a movie about like
• 24:00
  all these misfits that people have to grow to love.
• 24:03
  So it's kind of there as like a mentor figure I guess for.
• 24:08
  All of. Them I I will still say that
• 24:12
  like you still like criminally underused.
• 24:14
  And so it'd be like, I think if he had like, you know, I don't
• 24:19
  know, just like more time to like talk and like, like connect
• 24:24
  with these people. It would like make for a better
• 24:26
  thing. But like, yeah, I think, yeah.
• 24:29
  I think Sebastian Sandwich is kind of there because like they
• 24:30
  needed like someone to like, show them an example that like,
• 24:34
  yeah, it's OK to be like little shits and like throwaway heroes
• 24:38
  basically, right. Because he.
• 24:38
  Was kind of like a. Throwaway hero.
• 24:40
  Well, that that's my perspective.
• 24:41
  What do you what do you guys think?
• 24:44
  Yeah, I just love singing and there he always has like a good
• 24:46
  screen presence and I think it works for because he has kind of
• 24:52
  like the same it parallels against like the all the rest of
• 24:56
  them. Yeah.
• 24:57
  Even though like there are some underused heroes like Taskmaster
• 25:01
  fucking die. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:03
  Like literally the first scene. Yeah, like and she was in.
• 25:06
  So much of the marketing, too. She was in the.
• 25:07
  Posters. She.
• 25:08
  Was on the Wheaties box. It's not the Wheaties box.
• 25:14
  Spoilers, by the way, if you haven't watched Thunder Box.
• 25:18
  I really don't know how we're gonna navigate this.
• 25:20
  That's gonna be impossible. We're just if you if you hear.
• 25:22
  Us mention the movie, it's gonna get spoiled, yeah.
• 25:24
  Yeah. We will just skip all the way to
• 25:26
  the end. Yeah.
• 25:26
  Yeah. To the view where we say thank
• 25:28
  you for watching. See you tomorrow.
• 25:29
  We're gonna have a. We're gonna.
• 25:30
  Have a list. Of.
• 25:31
  Movies. Yeah, that's.
• 25:33
  Going to be spoiled. Yeah.
• 25:35
  Yeah. Anyway, this is taking quite a
• 25:38
  while. I'm gonna go.
• 25:39
  I'm going to put in my three other favorites.
• 25:43
  My favorite Go, go, go, go. Just just.
• 25:45
  Just I said sinners. I also really, really like Wake
• 25:50
  Up Dead Man. Oh, that was great.
• 25:52
  I don't. Fantastic.
• 25:53
  I don't know why it's not nominated at all for anything.
• 26:00
  Didn't did not make the cut off. I don't understand.
• 26:02
  Maybe it was just like straight up snubbed, but I thought it was
• 26:05
  great. I I think it's probably for me,
• 26:09
  definitely better than the glass onion.
• 26:11
  It might be like really updated with the first one.
• 26:15
  Josh O'Connor is a force of nature.
• 26:19
  Fantastic actor. Loved him in Challengers.
• 26:21
  He was even better at in this. Yeah, he really encapsulated
• 26:25
  that Catholic guilt. And.
• 26:29
  And honestly, the best advertisement for Catholicism
• 26:32
  that you can ask for. You know, I, I, I, I, I was
• 26:35
  finished watching that movie. Like I want to go to a church
• 26:38
  right now anyway. Top three Catholicism movies of
• 26:41
  all time. Top three up there with.
• 26:43
  Conclave. Conclave and silence.
• 26:46
  Yeah, silence. I thought you were going to say
• 26:48
  Silence of the Lamb. There's Catholicism.
• 26:50
  No, that was a Catholic movie. Catholic, yeah, sinners wake up
• 26:54
  dead man. I also really liked weapons.
• 26:58
  Weapons. I.
• 26:59
  Was a big fan of weapons. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:01
  Fantastic. I don't usually go for horror
• 27:03
  movie, but that was a really, really good one.
• 27:06
  Yeah. It was.
• 27:08
  It was kind of like, it had a kind of like a comedic twist.
• 27:11
  Yeah, it was amazing. But like the pair was.
• 27:14
  Great. It was super.
• 27:16
  Scary. The scariest scene of the entire
• 27:18
  movie didn't even have any jump scares.
• 27:20
  I'm talking about the the slow one shot from the house towards
• 27:25
  the car. Yeah, I remember that.
• 27:28
  Yeah. When he's just sleeping.
• 27:29
  That was honestly this, the fact that it didn't cut, it just
• 27:33
  fall. It was a master class of, like,
• 27:35
  tension. I agree.
• 27:36
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 27:38
  Weapons and then find the last one as a bit of a as a bit of a
• 27:42
  sleeper head I think. Wait, before you can do.
• 27:44
  Did you watch Weapons in theaters?
• 27:46
  Yeah, I did. I did.
• 27:46
  Did did you guys have that experience of like everybody?
• 27:49
  Everyone was gasping at the end of the car.
• 27:52
  When, when, when like, you hear her open the car like and
• 27:55
  everyone's like. Yeah.
• 27:59
  Oh my God, that was shivers. Absolutely shivers.
• 28:01
  The. Last one for me is probably.
• 28:04
  It's really a toss up between Kokuho, which I guess a movie
• 28:09
  about kabuki theater actors, uh huh, and also the ballot of
• 28:12
  Wallace Island, which I don't think any people.
• 28:14
  Yeah, haven't saw what I'm sorry, what I I saw.
• 28:18
  It the battle of what? The ballot.
• 28:20
  Battle, Battle. I need I.
• 28:23
  Need to read all this. Island.
• 28:25
  I watched it on the plane. Wow.
• 28:28
  And like it was just like, oh, this looks cool, I guess,
• 28:31
  basically. It's a 2025 movie.
• 28:33
  It's definitely 2025, I'm sure it's a movie about basically
• 28:38
  this guy who who's this recluse who lives on an island and he
• 28:42
  brings, he invites his favorite indie folk musician duo to come
• 28:47
  by and give him a private show. It's, it's funny.
• 28:51
  It's like that dry British humor.
• 28:53
  It's really, really touching and heartfelt and has great music
• 28:57
  and has a lot of yearning. And you know, I love yearning.
• 29:01
  You know. Past lives, mood, in the mood
• 29:03
  for love kind of stuff. I'm going to, I'm going to
• 29:06
  summarize it for you. Charles, who lives alone on a
• 29:08
  remote island, attempts to turn his dreams into reality by
• 29:12
  hiring his favorite musician, Herb McGuire, to play an
• 29:16
  exclusive private gig. Basically, if you like indie
• 29:19
  folk music, if you like yearning, if you like funny
• 29:22
  British humor, you got to watch it.
• 29:25
  That was my 4 1/2 favorites with Cops.
• 29:28
  Take it away. Give me give me your three more.
• 29:29
  OK, so Sinners, Sinners is up there.
• 29:32
  Yep. OK, because I'm listing them
• 29:34
  down. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:35
  No, no, you can. You can talk about it.
• 29:39
  OK, I mean, we really talk about sinners, right?
• 29:41
  My other three, we have resurrection.
• 29:45
  Have you guys seen Resurrection? Resurrection.
• 29:47
  Sounds. Familiar.
• 29:47
  No, Resurrection is a is a movie by this Chinese filmmaker,
• 29:52
  right? It was screened.
• 29:55
  It was screened at Dakota World Cinema, actually.
• 29:57
  Oh yeah. It's horror, no?
• 29:59
  No, no, it's wait. It's not horror.
• 30:03
  It's not horror. Does the title sound like it's?
• 30:05
  Horror, it does. Sound like it, right?
• 30:06
  It's. No, but yeah.
• 30:08
  So it's by this filmmaker called B Gun.
• 30:11
  B Gun now be gone is A it's BI but it just sounds like be gone.
• 30:21
  Yeah. And it's about so be Gone is
• 30:27
  like notorious for making these, like, very slow, kind of like,
• 30:35
  yeah, just very slow movies that seem to have like, little to no
• 30:41
  plot. Yeah.
• 30:42
  And very dreamlike in quality. And Resurrection, I think is is
• 30:49
  his most ambitious work. He's trying to, like, talk about
• 30:54
  dreams and cinema as an art form.
• 30:58
  So the movie is set in the future where humans can't dream
• 31:02
  anymore. OK.
• 31:04
  Yeah, and there's this. I might be like, I'm not, I'm
• 31:11
  not sure. Like if I'm describing this
• 31:12
  movie correctly, because like, it's a very, it's like a very.
• 31:15
  Opened interpretation, yeah. It's very experimental.
• 31:18
  So yeah, it's sad. In the future, humans can't
• 31:19
  dream anymore. And like the the few humans that
• 31:23
  can, they're called like phantasmers or something like
• 31:29
  that, Like, yeah. And this, there's this and they,
• 31:34
  they like, there's this character, this woman who like,
• 31:38
  who is like trying to preserve these, like people, I guess.
• 31:43
  Yeah, Yeah. And like we go through like
• 31:45
  different stories. There's different.
• 31:49
  It's almost like an anthology, like.
• 31:51
  OK, that's interesting because yeah.
• 31:52
  She's going to like different people's, like dreams,
• 31:55
  basically, yeah. That and yeah, it's just, it
• 32:02
  blew my mind away, really. Yeah.
• 32:05
  Has it has it ever screened like for general audiences here?
• 32:09
  No, it was just in the in the festival.
• 32:11
  Just in the festival. No, that's too bad.
• 32:12
  But I think you can you guys, it's, I think it's, you can
• 32:16
  torrent it basically. Yeah, I mean, you mean watch it.
• 32:19
  Watch. It completely legally.
• 32:21
  Yeah, watch. It legally on on websites there
• 32:24
  are. Many ways that you can.
• 32:26
  Do that, yeah. So the.
• 32:27
  Sinners. Resurrection.
• 32:29
  Resurrection is like, is like, I think it.
• 32:32
  This is how you do like a tribute or an ode to like
• 32:36
  cinema. Yeah.
• 32:38
  So. So the different stories that's
• 32:40
  in the movie is is in different styles like.
• 32:44
  OK, that's interesting. Yeah, like you have like, German
• 32:47
  expressionism in the beginning, and then you got like, film
• 32:51
  noir. Yeah.
• 32:54
  Like an ode to movies. Yeah, exactly.
• 32:56
  And then there's a bit of like a Coryda kind of like movie in
• 33:00
  there too. And then the final bit is just
• 33:03
  like, like one of the most spectacular like sequences I've
• 33:08
  ever seen. It's done in one take, like.
• 33:11
  For like. 30 minutes. Bro like 30 minutes, 30 minutes.
• 33:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it and then it just
• 33:19
  like ends. Yeah.
• 33:25
  It's been like my, it's been like in my top one or two.
• 33:30
  Damn. Yeah.
• 33:33
  OK. So resurrection and.
• 33:35
  Center Resurrection. I want to say Magellan have.
• 33:45
  You seen Magellan? Magellan, Yeah.
• 33:46
  That's this year. Last year, yeah, yeah.
• 33:49
  Sure. Yeah, I've seen Magellan.
• 33:51
  It's also from Jakarta World Cinema.
• 33:53
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 33:55
  That is a it's a foreign movie, right?
• 33:58
  Yeah, it's it's made by this Filipino filmmaker.
• 34:02
  Love Diaz? Right.
• 34:04
  Yeah. He's again like he's he's also
• 34:06
  like a notorious director for making like slow cinema, like he
• 34:14
  made movies. Like his movies on average are
• 34:17
  probably like 4 hours long. Oh yeah.
• 34:19
  Was this four hours? No, it was 1. 164 minutes
• 34:22
  though, yeah. Three hours.
• 34:23
  It's very like. Almost 3 hours.
• 34:26
  It's very conservative runtime wise compared to his other
• 34:30
  movies. Yeah, I was like.
• 34:31
  He made like he made like 8 hour movies like I've never seen them
• 34:35
  8 hours. Yeah.
• 34:37
  Jesus, Wow. OK.
• 34:38
  They have an intermission, yeah. So he's just like this Filipino
• 34:43
  director who just doesn't give a fuck.
• 34:45
  And this is like his first, wait, I'm not sure, actually.
• 34:49
  But like, this is in. It's like the movie is talking
• 34:52
  about, like, Magellan, right? The life of Ferdinand Magellan,
• 34:55
  right? Yeah.
• 34:56
  So it's his first, like, foreign movie, I think.
• 35:00
  I don't know. I may be around.
• 35:01
  His like like. Sorry, not foreign, but like in
• 35:04
  a foreign language. Oh.
• 35:05
  Yeah, right. Yeah, This is in Spanish.
• 35:07
  This is Spanish, Yeah, Spanish. Portuguese so it follows this
• 35:11
  yeah Ferdinand Magellan and his like his travels particularly in
• 35:18
  like the Philippines right but it's done in such like in very
• 35:24
  love Diaz fashion. It's so slow, like this guy
• 35:30
  doesn't really know when to cut. I think like, but in a good way,
• 35:35
  though. In a good way.
• 35:36
  OK. It's very patience, very slow.
• 35:38
  You get like these slow movies, man.
• 35:42
  Like, I don't know, I'm a sucker for them, for them.
• 35:44
  Like. I get hypnotized and it's like,
• 35:48
  it, it, it like my conscious is like, just like, just like
• 35:52
  drifts like when I'm watching them.
• 35:54
  You're in the movie, Yeah. Yeah, and Magellan is like, if
• 35:59
  you want to watch a movie about colonialism, I think that's like
• 36:03
  one of the best ones. That's interesting.
• 36:05
  Yeah, OK. OK, it's very raw.
• 36:06
  We. Do like colonialism.
• 36:08
  No, we're, we're, we're fans of colonialism here.
• 36:11
  And. Yeah, not that way.
• 36:13
  Not that. Way.
• 36:15
  What's your What's your final? Favorite.
• 36:16
  OK, my final favorite. My final favorite.
• 36:19
  Oh my God. It's a tough one.
• 36:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you say it was.
• 36:26
  It's F1. I was going to say it's a tough
• 36:28
  one I heard. It's.
• 36:30
  I heard it's F. One if you.
• 36:31
  Want to say F1, you're more than welcome to as well.
• 36:35
  Go on. We're going to feel we're going
• 36:38
  to feel the the sound by by talking about something else
• 36:40
  here. So while while you while you
• 36:42
  figure out, you know, the 4th one, just let it just stop us
• 36:45
  and let us know like can't figure out the 4th one.
• 36:47
  OK, In the meantime, I'm going to talk about my favorite
• 36:49
  subject, which is cheese. So there are many different
• 36:53
  kinds of cheeses from all around.
• 36:55
  You can. Cut them at any time.
• 36:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can cut me every time.
• 36:58
  I'm just, I'm just filling, filling this out.
• 37:00
  OK. So you don't have any data.
• 37:01
  Yeah. Oh, he's got it.
• 37:02
  Oh, have you got it? No, no, no, no.
• 37:04
  OK, let me check letterbox. I can check.
• 37:06
  Letterbox so so why don't you? Tell us your your other
• 37:11
  favorites instead of having. Some bullshit about cheese not
• 37:14
  not waste. Run.
• 37:15
  There's my favorite kind of cheese is cheddar cheese.
• 37:19
  So sinners is sinners is one of them.
• 37:21
  By the way, this is no particular order.
• 37:24
  Yeah, no. Sinners Superman was the other
• 37:27
  one I I thought about and obviously weapons is fantastic
• 37:31
  weapon, but again, I feel like I feel like we're missing we're
• 37:34
  we're missing. OK, OK, go on.
• 37:36
  He's got it. I was like give it give.
• 37:38
  It are you? Are you like, I'm good?
• 37:39
  I don't know. OK, because I have only one spot
• 37:43
  left, right? I'm going to have to say maybe
• 37:50
  1-1 battle after. One battle after another, Oh, we
• 37:56
  are. So you.
• 37:58
  Have to take. I think we all have our
• 38:01
  individual opinions about 1 Battle, but you go ahead tell me
• 38:05
  about it because because I feel like I feel like I'm being
• 38:08
  gassed by people who say like this is the best fucking thing
• 38:13
  since sliced bread. What?
• 38:14
  Yeah. OK, you got to.
• 38:16
  Tell me you got to tell me why. You why you love his?
• 38:18
  No, no. No, I understand.
• 38:19
  Like, I think one battle after another is like, you know, PTA
• 38:29
  is like one of those directors who I just like, grew up with
• 38:32
  kind. Of and.
• 38:34
  I watched a lot of his movies and I saw his like progression,
• 38:38
  right as a filmmaker. Well, at least his like the past
• 38:46
  like couple the past decade in the past decade at least, right.
• 38:51
  And I think 1 battle after another is like him doing this
• 38:55
  this very it's his most accessible movie.
• 39:00
  It's his most like entertaining. Yeah, most entertaining,
• 39:04
  accessible and like fun and like pop movie, I think.
• 39:11
  Right. Interesting.
• 39:11
  I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:13
  And OK. Doing.
• 39:26
  Great. I just love like seeing his take
• 39:33
  on like this. It's a very dad movie, right?
• 39:36
  It's a dad. Yeah, it is a dad.
• 39:38
  Movie. It's it's a dad movie 'cause
• 39:40
  like Leo's obviously like this deadbeat Stoner dad who's like
• 39:45
  trying to trying to connect with his, like daughter.
• 39:49
  Yeah, like, but I think it's just like this very fun, heart
• 39:59
  warming. And intense, like ride from
• 40:03
  start to finish. Yeah, it's very kinetic.
• 40:07
  And it's it's a movie about like momentum, like it's just going
• 40:14
  like 100 miles an hour. Yeah, it never feels like it's.
• 40:17
  Yeah, it slows down at all. No it.
• 40:19
  Feels like there's one battle after another.
• 40:22
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 40:23
  That's why they called it that. Unbelievable.
• 40:27
  That's the number right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1 battle.
• 40:33
  So you guys, you guys have a lot of opinions on this.
• 40:36
  I know you have plenty of opinions.
• 40:37
  But like but like we'll. We'll get there.
• 40:40
  Once we go to Oscars predictions, we're going to.
• 40:42
  Get the Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, we're.
• 40:43
  Going to talk a lot about those those heavy hitters.
• 40:46
  There's also one movie in mind that I almost put like.
• 40:49
  Yeah. Yeah, it's Eddington.
• 40:52
  Eddington, yeah. Eddington.
• 40:54
  I've not seen Eddington. Eddington is fantastic, really.
• 40:56
  You've seen it. Yeah, bro, like I swear after
• 40:59
  after like Charlie Kirk got slimed that movie just like it's
• 41:06
  it's gonna it's gonna age so good that movie, Yeah.
• 41:09
  Yeah. And.
• 41:10
  I have. The IT was, so it was great.
• 41:12
  I'm I'm surprised. I will say I'm surprised at how
• 41:15
  low the scores are. For Eddington.
• 41:19
  Given, given, given the story and especially the powerhouses
• 41:22
  was Joaquin Phoenix and Pedro Pascal.
• 41:25
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it?
• 41:27
  The the the cowboy western COVID movie.
• 41:29
  COVID movie? Exactly.
• 41:30
  Yeah, I got to get this I. Need to see this on smear.
• 41:33
  They're going at it. What does it have to do with?
• 41:36
  Charlie Ker getting slimed. Oh yeah.
• 41:42
  I want to watch it. I want to.
• 41:43
  Watch it. It's so fucking good.
• 41:44
  All right. I promise.
• 41:45
  All right. Yeah.
• 41:46
  Oh, it was an Ari Osterfleck. OK, Did they not hear of this?
• 41:50
  It was. Quite.
• 41:51
  I don't think it was marketed at all that well.
• 41:53
  Not really, no. Was it?
• 41:55
  Yeah, it wasn't like I think after hereditary like 824 just
• 42:01
  basically like gave Ari Aster like the keys to to their I
• 42:07
  don't know, like they just. You let him.
• 42:09
  Do whatever. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:10
  Do whatever he wants. So he made this like very weird,
• 42:15
  like COVID. Movie They let him do whatever
• 42:17
  he wants, but they don't market it.
• 42:19
  Yeah, yeah. I I just I just remembering not
• 42:22
  being able to finish Bo is Afraid because that movie was
• 42:24
  too fucking weird. Bo is afraid.
• 42:26
  Yeah, yeah. OK, Not for me.
• 42:31
  Not for me. Maybe it's someone.
• 42:33
  Someone out there. This is their freak.
• 42:34
  This is not for me. Thank you.
• 42:36
  That's fair, yeah. My fourth film.
• 42:39
  You did, you said Sinner. Superman weapons.
• 42:42
  I don't know if I want to put weapons on there, actually.
• 42:44
  OK, OK, but I but but I'll keep it on there for now.
• 42:46
  Sure. The final one, Eternity.
• 42:49
  OK, I do not. See that movie, but go.
• 42:51
  Eternity is fantastic. I love the story it tells us.
• 42:55
  If you want to say you want to say spoilers, don't worry about
• 42:57
  it, just go ahead. No, no.
• 42:59
  It tells the story of a woman who dies and she runs into and
• 43:05
  she runs into her first love, her first love in heaven.
• 43:11
  And her husband. Right.
• 43:12
  And her husband. Yeah.
• 43:13
  And now she must decide who she selects to live for.
• 43:19
  The rest? Of the eternity with, and I will
• 43:21
  say this like I find, first of all, I find it interesting how
• 43:24
  there's no heaven or hell. It's literally just you're dead
• 43:27
  now. You go here into the next week.
• 43:29
  Everyone gets their own afterlife.
• 43:31
  You get to choose, don't worry, you get to choose.
• 43:34
  But then that's it. You can't go anywhere else after
• 43:36
  that and I find that such a fantastic.
• 43:42
  Hey, hey. No, she doesn't.
• 43:47
  No, it's. OK, it's all good.
• 43:49
  It's all good. I'm I'm pretty.
• 43:50
  Sure, I'll, I'll. Still be like, yeah, yeah.
• 43:51
  But but it says a lot about, I think, I think to me, what made
• 43:55
  it so special was was not just, you know, the cinematography,
• 43:58
  but the fact that it spoke volumes about the reality of
• 44:03
  relationships in marriage. Yeah, Yeah.
• 44:06
  And I mean, you've been with your girlfriend.
• 44:09
  Sorry. Do you have a girlfriend?
• 44:12
  Do we want to establish the? Reveal Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 44:15
  it's fine. You can talk about that.
• 44:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll talk girlfriend reveal
• 44:18
  World Cup. Girlfriend, there you go.
• 44:20
  You've been with your girlfriend for what, 2 years?
• 44:22
  Yeah, about. I've been married for about for
• 44:25
  nearly two years now. I've been with my now wife since
• 44:29
  2020-2021 and I will tell you like it's a that's a short
• 44:35
  amount of time. It's a really short amount of
• 44:37
  time, but it's a it's, it's, it's enough for me to be it.
• 44:43
  It was enough and we and we went through enough for me to be able
• 44:46
  to say yeah. You relate to it.
• 44:49
  Yeah, like, like the hard, the, the, the hardships and the the
• 44:56
  way that we, the way that we come together and work together
• 45:00
  through the hardships and, and, and how that defines us as
• 45:05
  individuals and as a couple. And the relationship as a team
• 45:11
  is what defines the relationship is what defines the quality of
• 45:15
  the relationship. And eternity really.
• 45:17
  And, and, and, and, and that's sort of like the core theme of
• 45:20
  eternity, you know what I mean? And that love happens because of
• 45:26
  the way that you fought each other throughout the hard times.
• 45:29
  And I think for that reason alone, for that reason alone, I,
• 45:33
  I, I I like to watch movies. I like to watch films for the
• 45:36
  heart and for the soul. Yeah.
• 45:38
  And for that reason alone, I will say Eternity is my top
• 45:41
  solid film of 2025. Yeah, yeah, Top film.
• 45:44
  Yeah. Yeah, OK, I can understand why I
• 45:46
  why? Yeah, I can.
• 45:47
  Understand why I hit you really really hard, which is why I
• 45:50
  recommended to you once I watched it.
• 45:52
  Yeah, it was. Now I got to see it man.
• 45:54
  You have to see it. I, I, I really respected their
• 45:57
  decision with the ending, which I won't say because like the
• 46:01
  whole movie, you're just kind of like, it's a big moral like
• 46:05
  conundrum that she has to face. Of course, who does she choose?
• 46:08
  And both are very valid options. And it seems like as a viewer,
• 46:13
  you like, fuck, like, I, I, it's really, really hard choice to
• 46:16
  make. But I'm glad that the ending
• 46:20
  didn't kind of like, shy away from choosing a definitive.
• 46:23
  Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:26
  And. Kind of like, yes, this is the
• 46:27
  right one, Yeah. You know, and then kind of like
• 46:30
  living with that. And I think that's great.
• 46:32
  It is. That's the new.
• 46:33
  You lost in your four favorites. All right, well, sinners.
• 46:38
  I like how sinners is in all of our yeah 'cause it says a lot
• 46:41
  about how good. Yeah, it's, I don't know.
• 46:42
  It's, it's it's just absolute cinema, bro.
• 46:44
  I I've never left the theater more enthralled than I did with
• 46:49
  Sinners. For some fucking reason.
• 46:50
  I can't remember the last time I left this a theater and felt
• 46:53
  like just like chills. There's so many moments that
• 46:57
  will. Be there chills.
• 46:59
  Yeah. And it came out like in, I
• 47:02
  think, I think last year we had like a period in the beginning
• 47:06
  of the year, like a three month or 4 month period before Sinners
• 47:08
  that were like there's no good movies.
• 47:11
  There's no really like no good movies.
• 47:13
  Like maybe there's that Bong Joon Ho Mickey 17 movie.
• 47:16
  Oh, Mickey 17. That was more diversity.
• 47:19
  Yeah, no, I did not like. It it was.
• 47:21
  See. Yeah.
• 47:22
  You didn't like it? I did not.
• 47:23
  Like it? I liked it.
• 47:24
  But it was. I understood why, yeah.
• 47:26
  Yeah. Polarizing, but yeah, that was
• 47:29
  probably like the best movie from the first like 3 months of
• 47:33
  2020. What?
• 47:34
  No. Yeah, it was a month.
• 47:34
  Did it come out? Mickey 17, No.
• 47:37
  April. I think it's March or April.
• 47:38
  March. April.
• 47:39
  It was Springfield. So we were like, yeah, you know,
• 47:42
  we were like star. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:46
  I think it was around April. No, I remember because like, I,
• 47:49
  I watched that movie like with my brother for my birthday.
• 47:53
  Yeah. And it was around.
• 47:54
  So it was around April maybe? Whatever they give.
• 47:58
  Yeah yeah it was like cinema is back No yeah I multiple times
• 48:02
  that movie agents just got chills mainly because of like
• 48:05
  what like the craft obviously like and I also just like
• 48:09
  fucking love right gloomy is nerding about like so I shot it
• 48:12
  on film with like 35 perf I mean like I I understand that like
• 48:17
  maybe one out of every 3 words, but like I love.
• 48:19
  That you watch the video? Yeah, with the giant eye.
• 48:23
  Yeah, but no. Yeah.
• 48:25
  But I also appreciate that like, like I also appreciate that I
• 48:27
  actually like, I know like our IMAX cinemas here are not as big
• 48:31
  as like real IMAX cinemas, but like I still watch it like the
• 48:34
  IMAX and Gondadi and it was like massive.
• 48:37
  And like. You can see like, you can also
• 48:40
  see like the like the grain of the film because it was so
• 48:43
  massive. And it was like also.
• 48:45
  In such a big screen, I was like, OK, yeah, I can.
• 48:47
  I can feel the difference. It was really.
• 48:48
  Well, shout out Gondadi IMAX shout.
• 48:50
  Out IMAX shout out. The most accessible.
• 48:52
  One is that the is. That the one that we all go to
• 48:54
  if you want to watch IMAX. Yeah, I mean, I, I think the.
• 48:58
  Other ones are too far away, yeah.
• 49:00
  But but like the bigger, the biggest one I think is in Klapa
• 49:03
  guiding that's like, yeah, that is a gigantic.
• 49:06
  That's the biggest one, yeah. So I think.
• 49:10
  Exactly, exactly. Nobody even goes there like.
• 49:13
  Sorry it's flooded though. We we get it's flooded.
• 49:16
  Yeah, so, so, so I think from what I know, I think Klapa
• 49:21
  guiding is the biggest, the biggest one.
• 49:23
  OK. And then Sumara concert pong.
• 49:27
  Oh, OK, right. Yeah.
• 49:29
  And then I think Genderia comes next.
• 49:32
  OK, yeah. Oh, all right.
• 49:34
  I didn't know that actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:36
  Maybe for I? Didn't know.
• 49:37
  Yeah, I only like only last you discovered that IMAX comes in
• 49:40
  different sizes. Yeah, they do.
• 49:42
  Because I thought it was like, oh, OK, but they're like.
• 49:44
  No, apparently like, like for for the Odyssey for example,
• 49:46
  we're just going to be shot on fully IMAX film.
• 49:48
  We can't even watch it properly because we don't have the
• 49:50
  fucking cinemas. Yeah.
• 49:51
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:53
  Yeah, goddamn you, Nolan. Yeah, yeah, Sitters is.
• 49:59
  No, no. Yeah, after sinners.
• 50:00
  No, no, I still want to rant a little bit more about sitters.
• 50:03
  No, because that that movie, like I, I watch a lot of my
• 50:07
  movies on like a spiritual level as well.
• 50:09
  Those of you who know me know what I'm talking about where
• 50:11
  like I but this is like 2025 was also a very spiritual year for
• 50:16
  me cinematically because a lot of the movies that I like really
• 50:20
  delved into spirituality and all these different ways.
• 50:23
  And yeah. And I think with sinners, as
• 50:27
  someone who I think studied a lot of like the source material
• 50:32
  and also like as as also like in that space, it was like really
• 50:34
  respectful to like the different, like the different
• 50:38
  lores of, of vampirism, the different like heritage and like
• 50:44
  the essentially like like, like the the adept of like, you know,
• 50:47
  like, yeah, yeah. Of like African American people.
• 50:50
  And they're like sort of like lineage to Africa.
• 50:52
  And to be able to communicate that through the I lied to you
• 50:57
  song scene was like chill. Just the entire types of
• 51:01
  non-stop chills. Yeah.
• 51:04
  Great scene. Yeah, great scene.
• 51:06
  And then after that, yeah, Thunderbolts.
• 51:10
  Yeah, I already talked a lot about Thunderbolts because it
• 51:12
  was like, yeah, it was really like I don't healing movie for
• 51:14
  me as someone was repeatedly disappointed by Marvel.
• 51:19
  OK, 3 yeah, 3 is like OK for my slot three I'm gonna like, it's
• 51:26
  kind of a toss up because like, so I'm gonna submit 2 movies and
• 51:28
  cheat a little bit here. Because they're all on the.
• 51:30
  Same level for me. Everyone's kidding.
• 51:31
  Yeah. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 51:34
  Go ahead. Low Runner is a toss up between
• 51:37
  two vastly different movies. One of them is F1.
• 51:40
  Hey man, you want to build a car for combat bro?
• 51:43
  Box, box, box. Box just because like yeah I I'm
• 51:52
  a genre movie guy. I like I really love genre
• 51:54
  movies. I it's really difficult for me
• 51:56
  to like love more like like dramas and very, very like
• 52:00
  realistic humanistic films. It's just like I understand like
• 52:03
  they're they're they're like really, really well crafted.
• 52:06
  I just can't sit through it because I get like like, please,
• 52:09
  something happened. So I get like very bored very
• 52:11
  quickly. I also like my, my, my brain
• 52:14
  doesn't get tickled enough by like watching very realistic
• 52:18
  like human interactions. I kind of wanted like yeah,
• 52:23
  yeah, I need I need my Subway Surfers bro my my keys jingling
• 52:27
  yeah so like F1 for me was the the the key jingling movie of
• 52:30
  the year yeah no, but I also. Like full of action.
• 52:36
  Yeah, but no. But I've also been AI.
• 52:38
  I am. I'm the if.
• 52:40
  If Joseph Kaczynski has no fans and I am dead.
• 52:44
  Yeah, I've been following him since like the Tron days and
• 52:48
  the. The.
• 52:50
  Tron was so underrated by the. Way yeah and then like Top Gun
• 52:53
  Maverick, obviously everyone knows, but then everyone also
• 52:56
  forgets the even I forget what the movie is called.
• 52:59
  He made AI think a direct to Netflix like movie about
• 53:03
  firefighters in like 2015 where it's a based on real life story
• 53:09
  about like a budget. Yeah, it was like starting like
• 53:11
  Miles Teller, Josh Brolin. Oh, I remember this movie.
• 53:15
  I don't I'm. Not aware.
• 53:17
  Yeah, it's a real life story about like these firefighters
• 53:21
  and their job is to like fight fires in like California, so.
• 53:25
  Like in force fires. Firefighters.
• 53:27
  Are. Super dangerous fires.
• 53:29
  And yeah, and I'll try not to spoil too much about it, but
• 53:33
  yeah, it's really, really good. A lot of lots of heart.
• 53:35
  And he's, I think Joseph Kozinski is also like the master
• 53:38
  of like editing. I I watched like the behind the
• 53:42
  scenes of like F1 and how they had at some point I think like 7
• 53:46
  different cameras all shooting 1 take.
• 53:48
  And I'd be like. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just like,
• 53:51
  as someone who's like, like makes a living editing.
• 53:55
  I just can't imagine the editing day day of like 7 different
• 53:59
  tracks and you have to make that make sense and like 1 very clear
• 54:04
  like momentum to like keep through.
• 54:07
  And. I imagine they must have like
• 54:08
  consulted ChatGPT or something. What's the best way to edit this
• 54:14
  movie? Right.
• 54:15
  Yeah. You know what else Joseph
• 54:17
  Kaczynski made? Twister.
• 54:20
  He made Twister. He made twister.
• 54:21
  He made twister. Glen Paul Twisters.
• 54:23
  Twisters. Yeah.
• 54:25
  How? Was it produced?
• 54:27
  He was. He was.
• 54:27
  Oh, no, sorry. It was based on a story by
• 54:29
  Joseph Constant. I apologize for that.
• 54:31
  Yeah, OK, OK. Very I.
• 54:33
  Thought that that a very like Joseph story by Joseph story.
• 54:36
  By something that he told to his friends.
• 54:38
  And oblivion. Too.
• 54:40
  Oh no. Yeah, Oblivion.
• 54:41
  Which is. One of my favorite movies of all
• 54:43
  time, actually. I know it's not that great.
• 54:46
  I. Understand, I'm well aware of
• 54:47
  its flaws, but like what? Was wrong with it.
• 54:50
  I don't know, a lot of people didn't.
• 54:51
  It was think it was like, oh, very, very like it didn't say
• 54:54
  enough about. Yeah, because sci-fi has always
• 54:57
  been about like you have to say something profound about
• 54:59
  humanity. And like I think that really
• 55:01
  like, you know, like, you know, like Space Odyssey or
• 55:03
  Interstellar did that. And I feel like Oblivion was
• 55:06
  like not really didn't really go that deep, but I don't fucking
• 55:09
  care. The soundtrack is like M83 make
• 55:11
  me feel chilly. Yeah, I know.
• 55:12
  Right. No, it's about rebellion and I.
• 55:14
  Fucking rubber. Yeah, I love that Arya's telling
• 55:17
  me that. Yeah.
• 55:18
  No. OK.
• 55:19
  Quite my no, No, my other, my brother.
• 55:21
  I'm so I'm so sorry, but we've already talked about this movie
• 55:26
  a little bit. It's Wake Up Dead Man.
• 55:28
  Again. Like spiritually, like, like I
• 55:31
  grew up in like a church and I damn it, I grew up in a church.
• 55:36
  So I kind of like it felt all very, very familiar to me.
• 55:40
  All the different like nuances. Like everyone knows that like
• 55:43
  the different character archetypes of like the different
• 55:45
  like suspects, right? Are all like very very
• 55:48
  realistically like like so like I really appreciate Ryan Johnson
• 55:52
  for like really really like paying attention and doing his
• 55:57
  research when he did that like and like addressing the
• 56:00
  different problems of like why a church can be fucked up, but
• 56:02
  also like why a church is like a really good place to like find
• 56:06
  human connection and uplift one another again.
• 56:09
  Judd Pastor Judd incredible role of love Daniel Craig is Benoit
• 56:15
  Blanc as always and. Benoit Blanc.
• 56:18
  Moving on through this as quickly as I can.
• 56:19
  This man has been modded. This man has been modded.
• 56:23
  Oh no love, this man has been modded good.
• 56:28
  Yeah, my, yeah, I think my top movie of the year.
• 56:32
  So this is the top of the year, which is because I only saw this
• 56:37
  movie 3 days ago and I was immediately like.
• 56:39
  Oh yeah, I know. Yeah, it's Hamnet.
• 56:42
  Oh, yeah. Which, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've
• 56:45
  seen this, Yeah. It's it made me tear up and I
• 56:51
  haven't teared up in a movie for ages.
• 56:55
  Yeah. I think maybe I'm going to save
• 56:58
  some of this for like the Oscar discussion later.
• 57:00
  But again, like I think even though it's not explicitly a a
• 57:06
  spiritual film, a lot of that movie has a very.
• 57:09
  Spiritual. Magical realism to.
• 57:12
  It and the. Interesting thing about it is,
• 57:15
  is that like it is also like like very, very accurate.
• 57:21
  I think to how like spirituality and like paganism would have
• 57:27
  worked and still does work in like in in that time of like
• 57:31
  England and like until now, like like I spent a lot of time
• 57:37
  around like Pagan and like witchcraft circles are both in
• 57:40
  like a research capacities as in a personal capacity.
• 57:43
  And a lot of this movie really a pace homage to like how they
• 57:50
  think, how they live, like the like the character of like
• 57:53
  acting as incredible, incredible role.
• 57:57
  Jessie Buckley, shut up. Yeah, so good.
• 58:00
  Yeah. She really did well and even
• 58:02
  like a oh sorry, who's the actor who plays the men?
• 58:04
  I can't remember his name. Paul.
• 58:05
  Maskel. Yeah.
• 58:06
  Paul Maskel. Yeah, Paul Maskel, I think
• 58:09
  played William Shakespeare at like, the most nuanced portrayal
• 58:13
  because a lot of people like to portray like, Oh yeah, he's a
• 58:16
  genius auteur who's kind of like, you know, a charming
• 58:19
  asshole or like a genius who's so focused on his art that he's
• 58:22
  kind of like, you know, forgets everything about it.
• 58:25
  And there's bits of the. I see what you're saying.
• 58:28
  Yeah, but I really like he's. Still a decent dad.
• 58:31
  Yeah, like he loves his kids. Exactly like so much of the
• 58:33
  movie is establishing his dynamic with his wife and his
• 58:39
  children. And because that dynamic is so
• 58:41
  strong, when spoilers the cabinet dies later on, you
• 58:46
  really feel like the grief in it.
• 58:49
  Really. I mean, I know about
• 58:52
  Shakespeare, so it's not like I'm.
• 58:53
  No, Yeah, yeah. It's not like I'm surprised.
• 58:55
  I feel like, oh, the daughter dies?
• 58:58
  What? You look strict.
• 58:59
  You look. Strict, yeah.
• 59:01
  Yeah, no, so. So yeah.
• 59:02
  So when they have to like work through the grief, yeah, you
• 59:06
  really feel it because you there, there there's a there's a
• 59:09
  before his son died and then after a sudden, but and also at
• 59:13
  the end when he get when everything gets like tied back
• 59:17
  together, he's able to finally like.
• 59:19
  Work through it. Work through it and every.
• 59:21
  And then his wife is actually able to like, see how this is
• 59:25
  his way of processing grief. Yeah, the dogs.
• 59:27
  And then I don't know the spoiler because it's really
• 59:30
  important. And then the very important
• 59:32
  thing that happens on stage happens on stage at the very end
• 59:35
  of the movie. But that's the movie made me
• 59:38
  cry. Yeah, damn right.
• 59:41
  What that one? Hey, what are you doing?
• 59:44
  Oh, OK. I thought you were doing
• 59:46
  something else. If if you've seen the movie,
• 59:48
  you'll know what I'm not doing. The bad sign, right?
• 59:51
  OK, Yeah. The reaching out scene.
• 59:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:54
  Whoa, you. Fucking hell, shut the fuck up.
• 59:57
  Man, no. Yeah.
• 59:58
  And also that, but also of the scene where he dresses up as as
• 1:00:05
  the ghost, as the ghost to talk to.
• 1:00:07
  Yes. I'm not on stage and.
• 1:00:11
  And I, yeah, that entire scene. And then there's that one scene
• 1:00:13
  where he like starts to head towards like exit stage, like
• 1:00:16
  left or right. And he like turns back to look
• 1:00:19
  at his wife. I would like, yeah, yeah, I just
• 1:00:21
  went, I, I just, yeah, I just started like, and yeah.
• 1:00:24
  So that movie was like made me, made me feel things and it
• 1:00:28
  reminded me what it, what it meant to be human, which I think
• 1:00:31
  this like the power of cinema. If I can get a.
• 1:00:33
  Little. Yeah, no.
• 1:00:35
  But yeah, I think like, yeah, yeah, I think films are so fun
• 1:00:38
  because they, like, they show you all the different ways that
• 1:00:41
  people can be. Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Yeah, yeah. OK.
• 1:00:44
  Yeah, I think that's we tend. To forget, don't we, that we're
• 1:00:47
  humans? I know it's a very basic thing
• 1:00:49
  to say, but I mean. Get profound up in.
• 1:00:52
  There, Yeah, quite profound. OK, so.
• 1:00:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  So we we put our four favorites. That's a good, that's a good
• 1:00:58
  list, you know, a good recommendation for people at
• 1:01:00
  home. Right, the diverse.
• 1:01:02
  Very diverse, very diverse. But now, after all, our opinions
• 1:01:07
  don't matter. It's the Academy that matters
• 1:01:10
  because they've made their choices.
• 1:01:12
  And now with that, we segue into our Oscars segment because we
• 1:01:18
  know who the nominees are around this time.
• 1:01:21
  You're watching this, the Oscars probably would be have already
• 1:01:24
  aired and you probably know what the winners are.
• 1:01:26
  So these are our predictions for and our discussions about the
• 1:01:31
  general nominations. OK, we're going to primarily
• 1:01:33
  focus on Best picture. And just just to recap what the
• 1:01:38
  best picture nominees are, We have we have Begonia by
• 1:01:44
  Lanthimos Frankenstein. I'm not going to tell.
• 1:01:47
  I'm going to say our directors, whatever it's Begonia,
• 1:01:49
  Frankenstein, F1, Hamlet, Marty Supreme, 1 battle after another
• 1:01:54
  secret agent, sentimental value dinners and train dreams.
• 1:01:59
  Now the Oscars voting. For those of you who don't know,
• 1:02:04
  the way it works is that it's via preferential voting.
• 1:02:08
  So each Academy member, they don't vote one movie, like one
• 1:02:13
  person to one movie? Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  They vote their preference. Their most favorite.
• 1:02:17
  Second favorite, third favorite. Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  So like rank choice? Yeah, rank choice, rank choice.
• 1:02:21
  And then they, it's an Electoral College shit.
• 1:02:22
  But like, I see. And then that's, and then they
• 1:02:26
  do some math and then that's how they come up with the thing.
• 1:02:28
  So what I want to do right now is that among the best picture
• 1:02:32
  nominations, because most of us have watched at least a good
• 1:02:36
  majority of the the nominations. All right, So what I'm going to
• 1:02:41
  do? First of all, no discussions
• 1:02:43
  yet, but. Each of us.
• 1:02:46
  Give our three If we were an Academy voter, give our three
• 1:02:52
  votes for like our most favorite, second favorite, third
• 1:02:55
  favorite. Do they have to be nominees?
• 1:02:57
  Do they have to be actual best picture nominees?
• 1:02:59
  Oh damn. That's hard.
• 1:03:00
  And then once we have that, we'll, we'll, I'll, I'll leave
• 1:03:06
  the discussion on, on specific Movies, OK.
• 1:03:09
  All right. So I'll go first.
• 1:03:12
  This might be AI, don't know it's controversial, but like
• 1:03:15
  there's probably one one question mark for my choices.
• 1:03:19
  Let's see it. My favorite, First favorite I'm
• 1:03:22
  gonna put in sinners. OK, OK.
• 1:03:24
  Second favorite, I'm gonna put in Hamnet that they also really
• 1:03:27
  enjoyed it. Yeah, OK.
• 1:03:28
  And my third favorite, I'm gonna put in Brain Dreams.
• 1:03:32
  Bra. Wow, I.
• 1:03:35
  Knew. I knew you.
• 1:03:35
  I knew big. Train dreams hater over here.
• 1:03:39
  But like, yeah, that was my, that was my three ranked.
• 1:03:45
  That was a very audible bra I. Know right I.
• 1:03:49
  Fucking hated it. OK.
• 1:03:50
  We love controversy here. Anyone has their other votes
• 1:03:55
  yet? I do.
• 1:03:56
  Go ahead. I will put centers on my Top
• 1:04:00
  Rank. Yep.
• 1:04:02
  I would then put, and this is kind of, this is hard.
• 1:04:07
  I would put sinners on my Top Rank.
• 1:04:10
  I would put #3 as one battle after another.
• 1:04:16
  OK, OK. And. #2 but only because these
• 1:04:21
  are the only three films I've watched.
• 1:04:23
  What? I've watched.
• 1:04:26
  Four, Yeah. OK, yeah, I've watched.
• 1:04:27
  I've watched Sinners. I've watched 1 battle after
• 1:04:29
  another. I've watched F1 and I've watched
• 1:04:34
  Marty Supreme and I and I and I and I, and I have to say this as
• 1:04:38
  a, as a, as an actual Formula One fan, I did Oh my God, I, I
• 1:04:44
  like F1 for what it is, but I couldn't enjoy it because of
• 1:04:47
  what I. Know.
• 1:04:48
  Right. You know you didn't do much.
• 1:04:49
  Yeah, and so for that fact, I'll put sinners #1F1 number two and
• 1:04:54
  one battle after another #3 I watched Marty Supreme.
• 1:04:57
  I don't even want on the list. OK.
• 1:05:01
  Okay, okay. I do not.
• 1:05:04
  I don't think it deserves an Academy Award nomination.
• 1:05:07
  Yeah, okay. You got yours.
• 1:05:09
  Yeah, I think it's Sinners 1, Battle After Another, and Marty
• 1:05:12
  Supreme. In that order like.
• 1:05:14
  One, yeah. Right.
• 1:05:16
  Yeah. Yeah, okay.
• 1:05:18
  For me, it's hamlet #1 Hamlet one.
• 1:05:21
  Wow. Hamlet over sinners over
• 1:05:25
  sinners. Is that good?
• 1:05:26
  I love sinners, but like, I think Hamlet, yeah.
• 1:05:28
  Moved. You moved me it.
• 1:05:30
  Was my soul and then 303 is tough, I think.
• 1:05:37
  I think I'm going to give it to F1.
• 1:05:39
  F1 Yeah. I'm.
• 1:05:40
  Sorry. Like 1 Glazer in the chat room.
• 1:05:46
  No, it's not even that I I think F1 is all that great.
• 1:05:49
  I just after watching no. It's.
• 1:05:53
  Just that. Shut up.
• 1:05:56
  No, it's just that like I I I don't I don't think I can I
• 1:06:01
  don't think I like 1 bath battle after another over F1.
• 1:06:05
  I just, we can get into this later if you want, and we can
• 1:06:09
  fight over this world. But like, yeah, I, I really,
• 1:06:12
  really could not like like 1 battle after another.
• 1:06:16
  I just, yeah, yeah, I just for a lot of reasons, I just sat to
• 1:06:19
  that movie. It was just like confused the
• 1:06:20
  entire time. And yeah, same with Marty
• 1:06:23
  Supreme. I think it was it was difficult
• 1:06:26
  watch for me, but I will I I will say that like I think I
• 1:06:30
  like Marty supreme more than one battle after another.
• 1:06:33
  And I also like really see like the craft behind it and.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah, I, I, I I'll say that about Marty Supreme as well.
• 1:06:39
  OK, There's what were you going to say?
• 1:06:41
  We got we got all our votes in. We'll discuss.
• 1:06:43
  I would love for like the foreign nominees.
• 1:06:47
  The foreign nominees we can get you mean secret agent, secret
• 1:06:49
  agent, elemental value. I enjoyed them well enough, but
• 1:06:54
  I actually this is this is actually a different topic
• 1:06:58
  altogether, but just to touch on it briefly, there were foreign
• 1:07:02
  films that I would have preferred to be in the place
• 1:07:04
  where Supplemental Value and Secret Agent are.
• 1:07:07
  I see. Namely, we may we might talk
• 1:07:09
  about this later, might not. But like I would have preferred,
• 1:07:12
  it was no other choice and it was just an accident in place of
• 1:07:17
  sentimental value and secret agent.
• 1:07:20
  I agree, no other choice I felt like was a really massive
• 1:07:23
  highlight of 2025 that just got. Completely.
• 1:07:26
  Snubbed you you you're a you're a big no other choice booter,
• 1:07:30
  right? Yeah, I am.
• 1:07:32
  I am. Like it's not my favorite like
• 1:07:34
  from part time world but like. It.
• 1:07:36
  Yeah, I agree it deserves way more recognition.
• 1:07:39
  Yeah, not even the, not even the best foreign.
• 1:07:41
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:07:43
  I haven't seen it, but like a lot of people that I know have
• 1:07:46
  seen and they they said like you have to go watch it.
• 1:07:48
  You have to go watch it. And so I like, Oh yeah.
• 1:07:50
  So I know it's it's like like people out whose opinions I
• 1:07:52
  trust. If you're, if you're if you are
• 1:07:56
  unemployed, no other choice is going to hit.
• 1:08:00
  No, it's. Going to go like flat.
• 1:08:03
  I swear it hits you like a fucking truck, dude.
• 1:08:06
  God, yeah. Yeah, it's.
• 1:08:08
  Funny and heartbreaking and infuriating and painful all the
• 1:08:12
  same. But it's also so full of heart
• 1:08:14
  in my painful. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:16
  Yeah, but anyway, before we get into specific movies, some
• 1:08:21
  notable categories and such, Best Supporting Actress.
• 1:08:26
  Really, really strong nominations here.
• 1:08:30
  And fun fact, if either 1 of Tiana Taylor or would me Mosaku
• 1:08:38
  from Sinners wins, it makes it the first time that a black
• 1:08:43
  woman has won the same category three years in a row.
• 1:08:47
  OK, it's crazy. Yeah.
• 1:08:48
  Interesting. So they have a pretty decent
• 1:08:51
  shot at that. I mean like with best supporting
• 1:08:53
  actress you have Elle Fanning in sentimental value Inga IBS
• 1:08:57
  daughter Lilias also sentimental value Amy, Amy Madigan.
• 1:09:01
  Amy Madigan. Weapon.
• 1:09:03
  Is on weapons as well as that on Gladys.
• 1:09:06
  Yeah, on Gladys. Would be Mosaku in Sinners, kind
• 1:09:10
  of Taylor. So you know, it's pretty decent.
• 1:09:12
  They had to have a pretty good shot.
• 1:09:13
  Can I just look? Can I just can I just make a
• 1:09:16
  point on polymarket at the moment?
• 1:09:18
  So I've been. Oh, that gambling addict.
• 1:09:21
  I'm not, I'm not a gambling addict.
• 1:09:22
  I don't, I don't, I don't like I saw.
• 1:09:24
  I don't, I don't use it for gamble.
• 1:09:25
  But it is a prediction market nonetheless, right?
• 1:09:28
  Yeah, and apparently according to market Betters.
• 1:09:34
  Gamblers. Basically, 70% believe that
• 1:09:39
  Tiana Taylor will win Best Supporting Actress.
• 1:09:43
  I wouldn't be mad if she. Oscars.
• 1:09:44
  I wouldn't be surprised. Fantastic.
• 1:09:47
  Yeah. Other than that, surprisingly,
• 1:09:52
  although maybe not surprisingly, Golden is nominated also for a
• 1:09:55
  Best Original Song in K Pop Demon Hunters.
• 1:09:58
  Not surprising. Not at all.
• 1:10:01
  Not surprising at all. Why though?
• 1:10:04
  How long? Do you like?
• 1:10:05
  It with golden. I don't.
• 1:10:06
  I mean. Yeah, no, I'm.
• 1:10:09
  Sorry, you can go ahead with. Golden in that category is also
• 1:10:11
  I lied to you, which I feel like it's the clear favorite.
• 1:10:14
  OK and then funnily enough, I lied to you.
• 1:10:15
  I agree This is this is not any insight or whatever but I just
• 1:10:18
  find it find it funny that there is a song called Train Dreams
• 1:10:21
  from Train dreams no? Wait, is it by Nick Cave?
• 1:10:24
  I think, I think it's the one that plays male in the empredis.
• 1:10:27
  Yeah, that's. Right by Nick Cave.
• 1:10:30
  Notable snubs for me would be Kokuho not being nominated for
• 1:10:35
  either costume design or production design, which I think
• 1:10:38
  it was completely stellar in. It's only nominated the makeup,
• 1:10:41
  which is a shame. And then you know as mentioned
• 1:10:45
  before, no Other choice was completely snubbed which a 24
• 1:10:49
  also funnily enough released like this.
• 1:10:51
  I don't know if you've seen it. Really funny billboard of like,
• 1:10:57
  whereas like usually when you submit a film, it's like for
• 1:10:59
  your consideration. And this one, this billboard, it
• 1:11:02
  has the main character holding up the pot in that very famous
• 1:11:05
  scene. And it and the pot obscures the
• 1:11:08
  four. So it makes it sound like it's
• 1:11:10
  fuck your consideration, but I think that's a really baller
• 1:11:13
  move. Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Anyways, going back to Best Picture nomination discussion,
• 1:11:18
  can we open the floor up to talking about Marty Supreme?
• 1:11:22
  Because we've all just very recently talked about it, right?
• 1:11:25
  And as probably the one person in this group who does really
• 1:11:31
  fuck with Marty Supreme. I do.
• 1:11:33
  I do. I do.
• 1:11:34
  I want. I don't fuck with Marty you.
• 1:11:36
  Fuck with Marty Supreme. I do, I I fuck with.
• 1:11:37
  Your I, I want, I want to hear. I want to hear your thoughts.
• 1:11:40
  Yeah, I do want. To hear your thoughts and what
• 1:11:42
  made you like it. OK, so Marty Supreme, right?
• 1:11:45
  Like, let me just say that I did not love this as much as I
• 1:11:51
  thought I would, as much as I wanted to, right?
• 1:11:53
  Like considering the hype and everything.
• 1:11:56
  Like I was fully on the Marty Supreme train, right?
• 1:12:01
  So I watched it last night and it felt like it felt like.
• 1:12:07
  So I forgot, like what a Savvy Brothers movie was.
• 1:12:11
  Was like, like, I've got gems. Good time.
• 1:12:15
  Yeah. Kevin knows what?
• 1:12:16
  And then Marty Supreme just like, reminded me of that
• 1:12:20
  feeling. It's.
• 1:12:21
  Probably the Safdies. The Safdies have ever Safdie.
• 1:12:26
  Yeah, I don't really. Yeah.
• 1:12:27
  It's basically a full on anxiety anxiety attack at most of their
• 1:12:30
  movies are. Yeah, but I will say that I
• 1:12:33
  think Anka Gems was more anxiety inducing for me.
• 1:12:36
  Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, it was more like the.
• 1:12:40
  The danger was ever present in that one, as opposed to Marty, I
• 1:12:43
  feel. Like, yeah, I think, yeah.
• 1:12:46
  I mean, there are shades of like, there are shades of like
• 1:12:49
  Howie Bling in Marty, Marty Mazer.
• 1:12:52
  As well, right? But yeah, so I did not expect
• 1:12:58
  the movie to go the way it did in the sense that I thought from
• 1:13:02
  the marketing from like, you know, like the dream.
• 1:13:05
  Big yeah. Stuff like that.
• 1:13:07
  Like I thought it was gonna be a bit more like.
• 1:13:12
  Glory. Yeah, yeah, yeah, bit more like
• 1:13:16
  traditional like sports. Yeah, yeah, movie like semi
• 1:13:21
  biopic it's. Gonna be like, there's gonna,
• 1:13:23
  it's gonna end in like a big kind of like climactic.
• 1:13:26
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:28
  But then like after the first 3 minutes, like there's no more
• 1:13:32
  ping pong. For the next like.
• 1:13:34
  No, you're. Absolutely.
• 1:13:36
  Not like ping pong, yeah. For the next, like, hour and a
• 1:13:39
  half, I think like, yeah, yeah, it's just this guy, like, making
• 1:13:45
  like, horrible decisions and getting into like, stupid.
• 1:13:48
  Yeah, the dumbest. Situation.
• 1:13:49
  Yeah, I'm. Just trying to get out of
• 1:13:51
  situations right? Like and at first like OK sorry
• 1:13:57
  towards the middle I was like but where is this going?
• 1:14:00
  Like it feels like real. Feels like real.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah. Where, where are we going with
• 1:14:04
  the story? Like there's no where is the
• 1:14:05
  story. Like where is the where?
• 1:14:07
  Is the story what's happening? Are we just happening?
• 1:14:09
  What are we just watching? Somebody give me a crumb of
• 1:14:11
  story. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:12
  And then like, but then at the end I feel like everything comes
• 1:14:18
  together very neatly, you know, like I feel like the stuff that
• 1:14:22
  happened before that I thought was like pointless.
• 1:14:24
  It it. It culminated.
• 1:14:26
  Yeah, it culminated. When you when you say the end,
• 1:14:28
  what part are you referencing? We've all watched it.
• 1:14:32
  Yeah, we can. We can spoil it.
• 1:14:33
  It's fine. The.
• 1:14:34
  Shootout OK, like the like I was like when the when they when
• 1:14:42
  they were like when he and like Tyler were in the hotel.
• 1:14:46
  Yeah. And then like the bath up fell.
• 1:14:48
  It was funny, right? Like, yeah, it was funny.
• 1:14:51
  But like, I didn't expect that that like would lie.
• 1:14:54
  Into, Yeah. And then, yeah.
• 1:14:56
  There was like, it was really nice to see, like, oh, so
• 1:14:59
  everything that happened before, like it actually.
• 1:15:02
  It did kind of mean something and then like.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah, yeah, into. Something, yeah.
• 1:15:06
  OK, yeah. And I especially liked the,
• 1:15:10
  like, the very end when he was like, when he was already in
• 1:15:12
  Japan. Yeah.
• 1:15:13
  And like the guy like the. The Chief IATT.
• 1:15:17
  Guy IAT Yeah, Chief IATT Guy like.
• 1:15:19
  Ramsetti. There we go.
• 1:15:21
  Ramsetti was his name. Yeah, Ramsetti.
• 1:15:23
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:15:26
  He was like, bro, you're not playing in a tournament.
• 1:15:29
  And he was like, what? Like.
• 1:15:31
  He it's like the most surprising thing to him where he's like,
• 1:15:34
  duh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He just fucking turn him on you.
• 1:15:37
  Fucking moron. Yeah, it was like, bruh, he.
• 1:15:42
  After that, it was just like, after that, like he realized
• 1:15:48
  that he didn't have anything more to like.
• 1:15:49
  There's nothing. There's nothing more to like.
• 1:15:52
  He has nothing to gain, nothing to.
• 1:15:54
  Lose. Yeah, 'cause like the whole,
• 1:15:55
  like the whole, like the previous hour and a half, all
• 1:15:58
  these like chaotic, absurd like situations he went through, like
• 1:16:01
  they're all. It's all for this.
• 1:16:03
  It's all for that, you know, like, but then he it was like
• 1:16:07
  pointless. Yeah.
• 1:16:08
  Like it was like stripped away from him.
• 1:16:12
  But then I at the end he realized that like, you know, I
• 1:16:15
  don't need that. Like I, I, I don't need like he
• 1:16:22
  went for like his, like he, he when he asked like Endo for the
• 1:16:25
  rematch, it was like him saying that, you know, he was I, I
• 1:16:31
  don't need any of that. Like, I just, I want to, I want
• 1:16:34
  to prove, prove, yeah, prove to myself that I can do this.
• 1:16:38
  And then when he comes back home, he sees his kid, he's
• 1:16:41
  crying. And then I feel like that's a
• 1:16:42
  full circle like arc, like character development.
• 1:16:46
  I feel like he's like, you know, he finally can feel like happy
• 1:16:52
  with something that he that he has like that.
• 1:16:56
  How, how did you how did you read that scene?
• 1:16:59
  The a lot of people have different interpretations, but
• 1:17:01
  what do you think? What was your interpretation of
• 1:17:04
  that scene in the end where he was crying looking at his baby?
• 1:17:07
  I feel like it's him, like realizing that that he didn't
• 1:17:17
  need to he he. Didn't need all of the all of
• 1:17:20
  the fame and glory this was this was more important.
• 1:17:25
  Yeah, I feel like that's what the scene was trying to say,
• 1:17:27
  like. Yeah, he he kind of got obsessed
• 1:17:30
  over the ping pong that became his entire life.
• 1:17:32
  And I think that scene was kind of be like, yeah, there are
• 1:17:33
  other things in life other than ping pong.
• 1:17:36
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:37
  Yeah, I feel like that's just like a nice little.
• 1:17:41
  Like tie it up in a nice boat. Yeah, yeah, for his character
• 1:17:44
  development and yeah. I think that that's that's
• 1:17:49
  interesting because I feel like the your enjoyment of the movie
• 1:17:53
  can really depend on how you interpret that final scene
• 1:17:56
  because it's a really pivotal point in his like character
• 1:17:59
  development. I'll, I'll, I'll say my piece
• 1:18:02
  about Mario Supreman and you guys can like chime in to just
• 1:18:07
  get it out of the way first, because a lot of people have
• 1:18:10
  this misconception and this is a wrong way I think to critique
• 1:18:13
  Marty Supreme. Just because like the main
• 1:18:16
  character of a movie is a bad person, a piece of shit asshole
• 1:18:20
  doesn't automatically make the movie bad and doesn't make you a
• 1:18:24
  bad person for liking a movie with a bad.
• 1:18:27
  Character. Let's just let's just get that
• 1:18:28
  out of the way because. Yeah, yeah, I mean, sorry.
• 1:18:32
  It's I thought about this last night and I feel like Marty,
• 1:18:37
  Marty Supreme could be like a good litmus test for like a lot
• 1:18:40
  of lot of guys like the same way like taxi driver is.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Taxi driver, like like
• 1:18:47
  ladies, girls. Like if you ever like get to
• 1:18:52
  know a guy and like he likes movies or whatever, ask him what
• 1:18:54
  he what he thinks of like Marty Taxi driver.
• 1:18:58
  Yeah, his driver. Yeah.
• 1:18:59
  Travis Bickle, right? Like.
• 1:19:01
  Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah.
• 1:19:02
  And I think Marty Supreme could, you could easily put that in,
• 1:19:05
  definitely. Definitely.
• 1:19:05
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:19:06
  Yeah, yeah. That totally.
• 1:19:07
  People who unironically like, yeah, I am Marty.
• 1:19:10
  He's just. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:13
  Yeah. We get out of the way like we
• 1:19:17
  can, we can enjoy and movies can be compelling and good, even
• 1:19:20
  though they're, you know, stars piece of shit.
• 1:19:22
  The main character is a piece of shit, which Marty 1000% is a
• 1:19:25
  piece of shit. And but with that said, I still
• 1:19:29
  didn't enjoy Marty's supreme and I didn't like how the story went
• 1:19:35
  and it and I didn't understand for a for a while.
• 1:19:37
  I didn't understand why I felt that way and I had to kind of
• 1:19:40
  like go back and think about like what other stories with
• 1:19:43
  similar types of protagonists and what I enjoy out of them
• 1:19:47
  that I didn't get from Marty Supreme.
• 1:19:49
  And I think that for for a movie, for a story with a shitty
• 1:19:54
  main character to work in my opinion, needs it to be either
• 1:19:58
  one. It's a he's a completely
• 1:20:00
  detestable human being. Which then.
• 1:20:03
  Gets his comeuppance in the end and like it all pays off in a
• 1:20:07
  very cathartic way. Yeah, right.
• 1:20:09
  Or like uncut gems. Yeah, basically like it was all
• 1:20:12
  building up towards that and when it happened, it was a big
• 1:20:14
  catharsis. Like it's a big.
• 1:20:15
  Release like yeah, it was a. Massive slap in the face as
• 1:20:18
  well. It just came out of nowhere.
• 1:20:20
  And it came in the, the fact that it was just like, bam, it
• 1:20:23
  came out of nowhere. It's just.
• 1:20:24
  It's just like. It's just like it's, it's
• 1:20:27
  incredible. But like, yeah, that's the first
• 1:20:28
  way. I feel like the second way is
• 1:20:30
  like, maybe I'll call this the the Heisenberg way, which is
• 1:20:36
  like, you want to make him someone you'd want to root for
• 1:20:43
  and therefore you'd, you'd even try and kind of like, yeah, he's
• 1:20:47
  doing bad things, but it's all right.
• 1:20:49
  But it's all right. And the way you do that is
• 1:20:51
  either making him like an underdog, someone who like this
• 1:20:55
  is something that he has to do kind of like no other choice.
• 1:20:58
  Whereas like, what the stuff that this person is doing is
• 1:21:01
  detestable, is terrible and it makes him a horrible human
• 1:21:04
  being. But I kind of get it.
• 1:21:06
  Like it kind of makes sense that he's doing these things.
• 1:21:10
  Either that or you just make him fucking cool.
• 1:21:13
  Just make him fucking cool and do cool things and is like and
• 1:21:16
  is competent in the stuff that he does.
• 1:21:18
  I feel like Marty Supreme, I've I keep calling Marty Supreme,
• 1:21:21
  like his last name Supreme, Marty Mauser.
• 1:21:24
  I feel like Marty Mauser was not either of those things.
• 1:21:28
  I think he was, I think he wasn't cool or like, you know,
• 1:21:32
  he didn't he wasn't, he was, he was skilled in table tennis, but
• 1:21:37
  it was never the focus of the movie, right?
• 1:21:39
  I ironically I would want more ping pong.
• 1:21:42
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he wasn't compliment or cool
• 1:21:45
  in that regard, and he wasn't an underdog story either because.
• 1:21:48
  He's already good. Yeah, he was.
• 1:21:49
  He was already living a pretty decent life.
• 1:21:51
  Yeah. He was gonna get promoted to
• 1:21:52
  manager. Yeah.
• 1:21:53
  And like, he wasn't like, climbing from the bottom or
• 1:21:56
  anything like that. So I wouldn't want to root for
• 1:21:58
  him either. Yeah.
• 1:21:59
  So I think in that sense, like, I didn't, you know, I wasn't
• 1:22:02
  invested in Marty. Marty Mauser is a story, Yeah,
• 1:22:06
  from beginning to end. And I think the how I interpret
• 1:22:09
  the ending was kind of a little bit different from you
• 1:22:11
  initially. I thought I initially I, I
• 1:22:14
  thought that he was happy, like, oh, I'm, I'm so happy that I
• 1:22:17
  have a boy now, like a like a big boy.
• 1:22:20
  But I didn't like the interpretation because, like,
• 1:22:22
  you did it. At what, at what point did this
• 1:22:25
  happen to you? Yeah, at what point?
• 1:22:27
  Did you earn? This yeah, exactly at.
• 1:22:29
  What point did you start? Did you start?
• 1:22:30
  Oh I love. Like, this is overwhelming.
• 1:22:33
  I love having my son. Like, no, like I don't think
• 1:22:36
  that was earned. And I think another
• 1:22:38
  interpretation that I like more is that he is actually sad and
• 1:22:43
  like mourning the fact that and it then this is compounded with
• 1:22:46
  the Music Choice, which is like everyone wants to rule the world
• 1:22:50
  where the lyrics go like welcome to your life.
• 1:22:53
  There's no turning back. Like your?
• 1:22:55
  Old life is gone. Yeah, this is your life now.
• 1:22:58
  You're a dad. You're.
• 1:22:59
  You're just a regular guy. And that's.
• 1:23:02
  And that's where like my interpretation of it went and
• 1:23:06
  that and that kind of like made OK, this made this gave it a, a,
• 1:23:10
  a little extra point for me, but that was my interpretation.
• 1:23:14
  What what about you guys? I will say that I, I, I, I
• 1:23:17
  agree. I, I agree with that
• 1:23:18
  interpretation of the ending, although I'm a little bit upset
• 1:23:22
  at how that's framed as like a bad thing, if that makes any
• 1:23:25
  sense. Like cuz.
• 1:23:26
  It's bad that he is. Because, like, he's the real
• 1:23:28
  problem. Yeah, right now, none of this.
• 1:23:31
  I can't. Believe this fucking baby?
• 1:23:33
  Yeah. Bro, none of this sort of none
• 1:23:34
  of this would happen and Marty wasn't such a fucking idiot, you
• 1:23:37
  know what I mean, the entire time and did all the things that
• 1:23:40
  he. Did.
• 1:23:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now it's and now it's A and,
• 1:23:45
  and that ending was like a matter of like you've made your
• 1:23:47
  bed now fucking sit it. But at the same time, it was
• 1:23:50
  also like, why the like like like I, I guess I, I guess I
• 1:23:55
  didn't, I didn't enjoy that He obviously like obviously like
• 1:24:01
  he's a horrible, he's a horrible person.
• 1:24:03
  And I wanted to slap the shadow every time.
• 1:24:04
  I every time real. I got to be honest.
• 1:24:07
  Yeah. And like you said, a, a, a bad
• 1:24:11
  character doesn't make for a bad film, you know, but but or or a
• 1:24:18
  or a or a an antagonistic protagonist.
• 1:24:20
  If you all doesn't make for a bad doesn't make for a bad film.
• 1:24:23
  But at the same time, I wish I, I, I agree with you that I wish
• 1:24:33
  that it, it, that the ending provided for greater catharsis.
• 1:24:39
  Catharsis. Like you wanted him to be more
• 1:24:41
  punished more. Exactly, exactly.
• 1:24:44
  But the fact that he was punished for the baby.
• 1:24:47
  Yeah, you can argue that. I mean, yeah.
• 1:24:49
  Yeah. And a normal life was like,
• 1:24:51
  motherfucker, this is like, like this, this is, this is like.
• 1:24:56
  Oh no. I have.
• 1:24:58
  Right. Oh no, I have a family now.
• 1:25:01
  A. Family.
• 1:25:02
  Not a woman. Kid, something that many people
• 1:25:05
  yearn for in real life. It's a punishment to me.
• 1:25:09
  What the fuck? You know what I mean?
• 1:25:11
  You were going to. I think that's like, yeah, no,
• 1:25:12
  no, no, that's your point. Like that's like the movie is
• 1:25:16
  like frames it as like his comeuppance, like getting that
• 1:25:21
  baby. Yeah, like fuck, this is not
• 1:25:23
  table tennis. Yeah.
• 1:25:25
  Take me back to table tennis. Yeah.
• 1:25:28
  How are you then? I so I think I'm going to my
• 1:25:33
  disclaimers, I'm going to separate my subjective opinions,
• 1:25:37
  whether or not I like what's going on on screen with like my
• 1:25:40
  objective opinions are like, is this good filmmaking?
• 1:25:43
  OK, So objectively I think it is good.
• 1:25:46
  I think like yeah, like the reason the the Safi brothers are
• 1:25:50
  so good are also the reason I hate the Safi watching Safi
• 1:25:53
  brothers. I don't want to have a panic
• 1:25:55
  attack for 2 1/2. The reason why I never watched
• 1:25:58
  the bear passed the first season.
• 1:26:00
  I'd just be like, yeah, it's just not, not good for.
• 1:26:03
  Me, I feel like it's not for you.
• 1:26:04
  Yeah, that's also why I also tend to like, veer away from
• 1:26:08
  horror movies. I'm trying to get into more
• 1:26:10
  horror movies, like over the past year, like, but like, yeah,
• 1:26:13
  it was difficult for me just because like I don't feel
• 1:26:16
  comfortable. And if I don't feel, yeah, if I,
• 1:26:18
  if I feel like that, I, I feel like I'm missing out on details
• 1:26:21
  and stuff like that. And that was, that was how I
• 1:26:24
  feel with like Uncut Gems. I've not seen good time, but
• 1:26:27
  I've heard good things. But like, that's also how I felt
• 1:26:29
  about Uncut Gems would be like, God fuck.
• 1:26:33
  And yeah, so technically I also like not to be like whatever is
• 1:26:38
  like super hipster about whatever.
• 1:26:39
  I also appreciate that there was, like, shot on film, I
• 1:26:42
  think, Yeah. You're a real.
• 1:26:45
  Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, because like I think
• 1:26:47
  like I just like like looking at the thing that it.
• 1:26:50
  Looks like amazing, yeah. Yeah, it looks.
• 1:26:52
  Gorgeous is it is. It shot fully on film.
• 1:26:56
  Yeah, Yeah. Fully hot like Kodak, like
• 1:26:59
  whatever the the emotion is called.
• 1:27:00
  It's also. It's also the reason why I like.
• 1:27:02
  Sit. I think it just like like.
• 1:27:03
  Really like it, it just feels different and looks different
• 1:27:06
  and like maybe that's, I don't know, that's, that's somewhere
• 1:27:08
  between subjective and objective opinion because some people are
• 1:27:11
  being like, yeah, you don't need film to make like a, like a good
• 1:27:14
  image And some people are being like, Oh yes, this is real
• 1:27:17
  cinema and like digital is fake, right.
• 1:27:19
  I, I, I just, I just appreciate like how gorgeous it looks.
• 1:27:23
  I, I really like movies that make very normal everyday
• 1:27:30
  settings really, really beautiful, which I think, you
• 1:27:33
  know, like, I think one car why does this a lot where it's like,
• 1:27:36
  it's just like a dingy back corner, but it's like there's a
• 1:27:41
  lot of like technique and like emotion into it that it feels
• 1:27:44
  okay. It feels like a very strong
• 1:27:46
  sense of place. And I thought of Marty Supreme
• 1:27:47
  with like his the like the, the, the, the, the dinky ass hotel,
• 1:27:52
  the, the, the, the, the backlog of his like shoe store, the, the
• 1:27:55
  really dingy like, like the, that, that, that ping pong game
• 1:28:01
  that they were hustling it. Was really real and gritty.
• 1:28:03
  Yeah. Really gritty and like, like,
• 1:28:04
  yeah, the, like everything has like a nice texture.
• 1:28:07
  The, the, the lights flicker and everything.
• 1:28:09
  So yeah, it's incredible. Like, not a lot of it's not
• 1:28:14
  something that a lot of directors can do to make a, a
• 1:28:16
  normal thing seem very real and like really make an impact on
• 1:28:21
  you because, you know, especially ever since like, you
• 1:28:23
  know, like Marvel and everything, like CGI kind of
• 1:28:25
  takes the place of everything. So people kind of be like, just
• 1:28:27
  shot it against whatever and then like, add it in post,
• 1:28:30
  right? So, yeah.
• 1:28:32
  But like, subjectively, I, I, yeah, I do agree with the fact
• 1:28:35
  that like, it's really difficult for me to like, like this
• 1:28:37
  fucking asshole, you know, also, like, you know, Timothy chow
• 1:28:42
  Mein, Odessa. Fantastic Zion, Odessa,
• 1:28:47
  Fantastic performances. What do you think about Odessa
• 1:28:49
  Zion? I I like.
• 1:28:52
  I like performance. Yeah, I I did too, Yeah.
• 1:28:54
  I I came away. Yeah, the fact.
• 1:28:57
  That like, I am able to hate his character with such visceral
• 1:29:01
  thing would be like, OK, this is yeah, doing an incredible job.
• 1:29:04
  It's also how I feel about Taylor Taylor's role because
• 1:29:06
  like, fucking I'm sorry. Like like fucking hate.
• 1:29:10
  Pursues the other little hills. Yeah.
• 1:29:12
  But like we'll, we'll, we'll touch on that later.
• 1:29:14
  But like, yeah, I think it's really difficult for me to like
• 1:29:20
  root myself in a film if like I don't really like any of the
• 1:29:23
  characters. And like, like Marty Mauser just
• 1:29:27
  like has this very, very quite a common archetype.
• 1:29:32
  I think in like, like, like the big cinema films of just like
• 1:29:35
  the main man who like is will not learn the one lesson that he
• 1:29:41
  needs to learn. And so life has to teach him
• 1:29:44
  that lesson over and over and over again.
• 1:29:46
  Right. And like, yeah, where it just
• 1:29:49
  like, yeah. So it was really just a really
• 1:29:54
  frustrating movie to watch. And I think that's why I didn't
• 1:29:56
  really enjoy it, although I will, yeah, this is like, like a
• 1:30:00
  technically good film. But I think the reason why I
• 1:30:05
  also didn't put it in like when I would give him my top threes
• 1:30:09
  is that like I think apart from maybe F1, it's very interesting
• 1:30:19
  because F1 was sort of like a like Joseph Kaczynski leaning
• 1:30:23
  into what he does best, but also maybe not making the most out of
• 1:30:29
  it. So it just ends up being like in
• 1:30:31
  the middle of like his tier list of films.
• 1:30:34
  I feel like for Cypher Brothers is also very similar where like
• 1:30:37
  I don't really see an evolution of technique.
• 1:30:41
  This feels like very, very similar to like uncut gems the
• 1:30:44
  way they're like, Oh yeah, this is there's just trying to make
• 1:30:47
  me have a panic attack and well, like the techniques and I think
• 1:30:52
  this was a more beautiful than uncut gems and like maybe better
• 1:30:55
  paced. It just felt like this this is
• 1:31:02
  probably a movie that someone who enjoys the Safi brothers
• 1:31:04
  would really enjoy because that's what they come to a Safi
• 1:31:07
  flick for. And I just don't come to Safi
• 1:31:10
  flick because it's not. So the fact that like, I didn't
• 1:31:13
  really. Yeah.
• 1:31:15
  And I also didn't feel like they, I don't know, expand a lot
• 1:31:20
  of take. It was like, one of the reasons
• 1:31:22
  why Sinners is so high on my list is because, like, every
• 1:31:25
  movie that Ryan Kugel does seems like he's like getting better.
• 1:31:28
  He's expanding his production. It's becoming more complex.
• 1:31:31
  Yeah, he's in corporate like, like shooting Michael A Jordan
• 1:31:34
  and Michael B Jordan. That's tough of Michael.
• 1:31:37
  A Jordan, we have to film everything Yeah, exactly.
• 1:31:40
  It's not like digital where you get all you, you fill up like
• 1:31:42
  like a one terabyte bag, OK, send it back to the loader right
• 1:31:45
  where it's like, OK, OK, time to like load a new role film and
• 1:31:48
  then like rotoscope back. And so it's really, really it's
• 1:31:51
  technically. Competitive for you of the.
• 1:31:53
  Game Man. Yeah, I also think that like
• 1:31:55
  with sinners, like Ludwig Goranson also up his like
• 1:31:58
  composing game. So yeah, there was like A and
• 1:32:01
  then this one feels like a It's a good film, but I own yes, it's
• 1:32:06
  not. Not not for you.
• 1:32:09
  Not for me. And also like not really that
• 1:32:11
  big of a departure of his other body of work, right?
• 1:32:14
  Yeah, that's like thing, but. Like I mean, OK to that point
• 1:32:17
  though. Like I feel like I feel like the
• 1:32:22
  opposite actually. I feel I feel like, I feel like
• 1:32:23
  they actually like Josh. Yeah.
• 1:32:27
  I feel like they upped it in in a technical sense, like I think
• 1:32:32
  they cuz uncut gems is like is is very contained, right?
• 1:32:37
  Like it's just like, it's more like.
• 1:32:41
  Like the setting? Like the little.
• 1:32:42
  Yeah, setting and like the set pieces, there's there's a lot
• 1:32:49
  more set pieces like big set pieces here that I feel like
• 1:32:52
  Josh is like that Josh has never really done before, right.
• 1:32:58
  You know? Oh, OK, like, like the like,
• 1:33:01
  like when they got chased by these like the the ping pong
• 1:33:05
  players in the bowling alley and then oh.
• 1:33:07
  Yeah, he's yeah. They blow up.
• 1:33:08
  They blow up. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:10
  He sprayed like that. Oh, OK.
• 1:33:11
  Yeah, yeah, gasoline and stuff like that.
• 1:33:13
  Like, I feel like on a technical level, I feel like they Josh
• 1:33:21
  showed me like new wrinkles to his game.
• 1:33:23
  You know what I'm saying? OK.
• 1:33:24
  OK, all right, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:26
  I didn't. I didn't know he had it in him
• 1:33:28
  to like, do all these like big. More actiony test pieces, I
• 1:33:33
  guess, right? Yeah.
• 1:33:34
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
• 1:33:36
  OK. Yeah, I can see that.
• 1:33:37
  I can see. Yeah.
• 1:33:39
  Yeah, so Marty Supreme is definitely one of the biggest
• 1:33:42
  movies out there, and that's primarily due to a 24's giant
• 1:33:48
  media machine. Yeah.
• 1:33:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the most amount of money
• 1:33:52
  a 24 has ever spent on a single movie, and they're really
• 1:33:56
  banking on it to succeed. I'm not entirely sure where the
• 1:33:59
  box office is at right now, but I don't think it's where they
• 1:34:03
  want it to be. Yeah, it's not yet.
• 1:34:05
  Yeah, right. Cuz it's not like they have like
• 1:34:08
  a really, I don't know, like their release plan is like a bit
• 1:34:11
  weird in my opinion. Cuz like, yeah, I don't know,
• 1:34:15
  like not it's not out in a lot of countries yet.
• 1:34:18
  Really. Yeah, like, OK.
• 1:34:20
  Internationally, it took a. While for it to get SOS.
• 1:34:22
  Yeah, exactly. Like international, like they
• 1:34:25
  released it in the US, Yeah, obviously.
• 1:34:27
  But then like it took a while until like it really get really
• 1:34:31
  got distributed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think.
• 1:34:34
  It's it's quite interesting because with Marty Supreme, the
• 1:34:40
  marketing was huge and all the trades and variety, all the
• 1:34:45
  publications, they were all raving about this movie The way
• 1:34:49
  they did not do for Sinners. And there was a there's like a
• 1:34:55
  big kind of like discussion around why that is and why is
• 1:35:00
  this being like the golden child and why Sinners is being kind of
• 1:35:02
  like the black sheep of like the even though sinners is
• 1:35:04
  objectively doing better in terms of like the box office,
• 1:35:09
  the. Highest grossing horror movie of
• 1:35:11
  all time, I think. Sinners.
• 1:35:13
  Sinners. It's just it's an original
• 1:35:15
  story, primarily African American black cast.
• 1:35:20
  So it's like it's definitely way exceeds its expectations.
• 1:35:23
  And I think one of the most compelling reasons that someone
• 1:35:26
  put out there on why Sinners is being treated the way it is is
• 1:35:30
  because specifically Ryan Coogler had that deal with
• 1:35:34
  Warner Brothers that allowed for him to own Sinners.
• 1:35:38
  And I think that's something that Hollywood does not want to
• 1:35:40
  make a, you know, a thing. Yeah.
• 1:35:43
  I. Bet I.
• 1:35:44
  Bet they want to keep the creatives out of it.
• 1:35:45
  You know? I hate that.
• 1:35:46
  Yeah. So, yeah, that's probably the
• 1:35:50
  case. But man, that that ad campaign
• 1:35:54
  from Marty Supreme. I will say I will say like Marty
• 1:35:58
  should be ad campaign incredible.
• 1:36:00
  Yeah. You reckon I might like it
• 1:36:03
  better than the I said the word Like I don't say I don't say
• 1:36:09
  it's better. I just said that like it was
• 1:36:10
  more enjoyable to me. Than the actual.
• 1:36:13
  Thing, but yeah, I don't even remember that that's like the
• 1:36:16
  was it with like 824 or like Variety or something where they
• 1:36:20
  published an interview with Timothy Chalamet and it's just
• 1:36:22
  the file name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the.
• 1:36:25
  Video. It's like a like a Zoom
• 1:36:26
  recording, yeah. Like, yeah.
• 1:36:28
  Yeah, and they did this. Swap.
• 1:36:29
  Name. Yeah, This swap, yeah.
• 1:36:33
  It was definitely being marketed as like this is the biggest,
• 1:36:37
  most important movie that you will.
• 1:36:39
  Need to see, yeah. And like.
• 1:36:41
  They got they got to be shouted a rap on a UK trap beat.
• 1:36:46
  Yeah. SDK, Yeah.
• 1:36:49
  They did fucking everything to make sure this movie, like, made
• 1:36:52
  back all that money and then yeah.
• 1:36:54
  You know which I. Don't know where where that's at
• 1:36:57
  right now, but. I will say though, like it, this
• 1:37:05
  movie isn't as great as it thinks it is, as 824 or as
• 1:37:10
  Timothy thinks it is. And even his performance, I
• 1:37:12
  don't think it's like. It's not his best.
• 1:37:14
  Yeah. It's not.
• 1:37:15
  It's really not. It's it's wild.
• 1:37:18
  I I don't know if this is him still still in character like
• 1:37:21
  fucking method acting or some shit.
• 1:37:23
  Because he. He.
• 1:37:25
  Seems in in every press, press thing or interview or acceptance
• 1:37:29
  speech, he seems convinced that this is the greatest thing that
• 1:37:32
  he has ever made. And like, even looking at his
• 1:37:35
  past body of work, no it's not. No, it's not.
• 1:37:37
  Have you seen Dune? Yeah, have you seen Call Me by
• 1:37:40
  your? Name, I don't know.
• 1:37:41
  I feel yeah, I call me by your name.
• 1:37:42
  I'm so attached to call me by your name, man.
• 1:37:44
  Like it's like I miss that era of Timothy actually like his.
• 1:37:49
  The soft boys saw. Yeah, like era, yeah.
• 1:37:52
  Now he's, I think, I feel like now he's appealing to a
• 1:37:54
  different target market. It is, yeah.
• 1:37:57
  Dude. Definitely changed something.
• 1:37:58
  Yeah, yeah, dude was such. Like dude made him feel like he
• 1:38:01
  was the least another guy. Ever.
• 1:38:02
  Yeah. But my brother said to me, he's
• 1:38:05
  like, yeah, Dune is our generation's Lord of the Rings,
• 1:38:08
  where it's like, it's the biggest thing ever.
• 1:38:09
  It's the thing that we will remember like 20 years from now
• 1:38:12
  when we like, sit down with our kids and like, do you know kids
• 1:38:15
  back in my day? That's that's, that's how people
• 1:38:19
  are talking about him as Marty Mauser and I'm, and every time
• 1:38:22
  they're like, this is like the performance of his.
• 1:38:24
  Have you seen Dune? You know, yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:27
  Like have you, Yeah. Have you seen like, like Little
• 1:38:30
  women? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:31
  Even his forwards as Little Women.
• 1:38:32
  I think I feel like I appreciate more.
• 1:38:35
  There was a yeah, yeah. I think we all collectively
• 1:38:39
  what? He's.
• 1:38:40
  So best actor. I don't, I, I, I wouldn't want.
• 1:38:44
  I just just just to read it out. For best actor it's Timothy
• 1:38:48
  Chalamas, Marty OK, Leonardo DiCaprio in one battle, Ethan
• 1:38:51
  Hawke in Blue Moon which I haven't watched.
• 1:38:53
  Nah, I should. Yeah, I haven't watched.
• 1:38:54
  Michael B Jordan in Sinners and Wagner Moura in The Secret
• 1:38:57
  Agent. And we, we can, we can, we can
• 1:39:02
  all pick our own choices. But I think if it was up to me,
• 1:39:06
  I'd give it to Michael B Jordan. I would.
• 1:39:07
  Say I'd give it to Michael B Jordan as well.
• 1:39:09
  I'd fucking play 2 characters. Yeah, that's difficult, Yeah.
• 1:39:11
  Are you gonna give it to? Are you gonna give it to?
• 1:39:13
  Leo No, no, no. It's in between Leo or Michael
• 1:39:17
  B. That's fair, Michael.
• 1:39:18
  Yeah, yeah. Michael B.
• 1:39:20
  Michael A. The People People stated For
• 1:39:23
  Leo, this is uncharacteristic for a second Oscar win.
• 1:39:28
  Best Actor. If he last won in Revenant,
• 1:39:30
  yeah, 16 and wasn't. That his first Oscar as.
• 1:39:33
  Well, it was his first Oscar surprise his.
• 1:39:35
  Only Oscar. Right.
• 1:39:37
  It was such a big deal. Because.
• 1:39:38
  It was. Yeah, right.
• 1:39:39
  Because, yeah. Why hasn't this guy won an Oscar
• 1:39:42
  yet? You know, I mean, yeah, but
• 1:39:43
  yeah, that was the best actor. He ate like raw liver to get
• 1:39:46
  that Oscar bro. He actually ate raw liver.
• 1:39:48
  Yeah, that was yeah. He, I don't know if he's a
• 1:39:51
  method actor because I don't, I don't think that he's a method
• 1:39:54
  actor, but I'm not sure. Yeah, right.
• 1:39:56
  Yeah. Because like Daniel Dale Lewis's
• 1:39:58
  method, Christian Bale's method, Yeah.
• 1:40:00
  I think he's more just conventional.
• 1:40:02
  But like, I think he afford the to depict the realism of, you
• 1:40:05
  know, being trapped out in the wild where he like, I think he
• 1:40:08
  has to like eat like raw animal liver that he throws up.
• 1:40:11
  That was real. Yeah.
• 1:40:12
  That Yeah, from whatever that was real.
• 1:40:14
  I mean, like, you know. Yeah.
• 1:40:15
  Someone please. Give him the goddamn.
• 1:40:18
  Oscar that has gone. Through, Yeah.
• 1:40:20
  Yeah. So, yeah, Timothy Chalamet, I
• 1:40:23
  don't think this was his best performance.
• 1:40:26
  And there's a collective, you know, agreement among us that in
• 1:40:30
  the best actor category, he's probably not.
• 1:40:34
  He's also young. He's also young for a best actor
• 1:40:37
  because he's turning 30. And generally best actor winners
• 1:40:43
  are 30 and up. That's a that's a common thing.
• 1:40:46
  Yeah, that apparently this is AI don't know if this is true or
• 1:40:49
  not, but the the saying goes that the Academy votes for the
• 1:40:54
  best actor for the person they want to be and they vote the
• 1:40:58
  best actress for the the person they want to sleep with.
• 1:41:01
  Brad don't like that. So that's why, like, the best
• 1:41:04
  actors are always really, really young in comparison to all the
• 1:41:08
  best actors. Oh shit, OK, that.
• 1:41:10
  Means. Best best actor winners are
• 1:41:12
  always 30 and up. Yeah, and best actors, Best
• 1:41:16
  actresses can go way, way down. Yeah.
• 1:41:18
  Angle. William Last year Mikey Madison
• 1:41:20
  was like. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:22
  Like 20 something, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:24
  It's crazy. She went for Anora.
• 1:41:27
  Anora. He was great in that one.
• 1:41:28
  Yeah. I will say though, that being
• 1:41:30
  said, Jesse Buckley is 36. But I want her to win though,
• 1:41:34
  yeah. I want her to win.
• 1:41:35
  I, I, I imagine given how much you guys are raising about
• 1:41:38
  Hamnet, she must. Have I have a different take on
• 1:41:40
  that? Though, go on, hack what?
• 1:41:42
  Do you reckon? Let's let's let's let's.
• 1:41:43
  Hear it It's it's between Jessie Buckley and Rose Byrne for me.
• 1:41:48
  OK, I haven't watched my head legs.
• 1:41:50
  Right. It's between them two.
• 1:41:52
  But after I saw Hamnet, I was like, damn, I feel like, I feel
• 1:41:56
  like, I feel like Rose Byrne should, should, should be
• 1:42:00
  winning this. How old is Rose Byrne?
• 1:42:02
  She's pretty old. She's pretty old, yeah.
• 1:42:05
  How? How old's she?
• 1:42:06
  I don't know. I mean, I'm not, I'm not on my
• 1:42:10
  community. I don't know, Roseburn.
• 1:42:11
  Rose in polymarkets, right? Now I am no, but that's why I
• 1:42:15
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• 1:42:17
  that's. Why I mentioned so so so
• 1:42:20
  according to Polymarket says that best actress at the moment.
• 1:42:27
  Biggest chance goes to Jessie Buckley at 91% and Roseburn and
• 1:42:32
  close second at 5%. Close.
• 1:42:36
  Yeah, second, very close. Second indeed.
• 1:42:38
  More of a best actor. Best Actor Timothy Chalamet at
• 1:42:43
  77%, followed by Leo DiCaprio at 10% and Ethan Hawke at 6%.
• 1:42:50
  And Michael and. Michael.
• 1:42:52
  B Jordan at six. Percent as well.
• 1:42:54
  That being said, like polymarket is like, it's like popular vote,
• 1:42:58
  isn't it? I guess so I'm not.
• 1:42:59
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• 1:43:00
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• 1:43:03
  First of all, I just do it on the side, yeah, you know, but.
• 1:43:07
  No. No, no, it's a, it's a
• 1:43:08
  prediction market. It's not, it's not based on,
• 1:43:11
  it's not based on popularity. It's more like based on who they
• 1:43:13
  who people think yeah will win. Yeah, but then who's driving the
• 1:43:17
  data? I feel like the most of the
• 1:43:18
  people that are driving the data are are like people with
• 1:43:20
  gambling. Exactly.
• 1:43:21
  Which in America is predominantly white.
• 1:43:25
  Pieces of white? Well, yeah.
• 1:43:26
  Obviously why they wouldn't vote for Michael.
• 1:43:28
  BJ that's a good, that's a really good point.
• 1:43:29
  And that's exactly why, Timothy. Shallow.
• 1:43:31
  We'll see if, but we don't. Know we don't know.
• 1:43:33
  That's yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't know who
• 1:43:35
  the market for polymarket is. Polymarket.
• 1:43:39
  Hey, Polymarket, you need a you want a sponsor?
• 1:43:42
  Yeah. That'd be great.
• 1:43:43
  I don't, I don't think I. I don't.
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  I don't wanna do it. Yeah, I don't.
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  Sponsored by. Betting ads.
• 1:43:49
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• 1:43:51
  What about sports gambling ads? Because that's.
• 1:43:54
  I'm I'm. I'm.
• 1:43:55
  I'm really. I don't.
• 1:43:59
  Yeah, anyway. That was our discussion for
• 1:44:03
  Marty's Supreme, right? Yeah.
• 1:44:04
  I think for Best Picture there, obviously we're not going to be
• 1:44:07
  able to go through all of them. Yeah, I think we're going to go
• 1:44:09
  through like, I want to discuss one more movie at least that we
• 1:44:13
  haven't talked as much and we have a lot of opinions on.
• 1:44:16
  Of course I'm talking about 1 Battle.
• 1:44:17
  After another. OK again, once again as the sole
• 1:44:23
  person it fucks heavily with. So wait, no, really like.
• 1:44:27
  I didn't say what I didn't say I didn't like.
• 1:44:28
  You liked my list? I was.
• 1:44:29
  I was stood in my list. Yeah, that's yeah.
• 1:44:31
  OK, OK. Out of the four out.
• 1:44:33
  Of the four films I've watched, yeah.
• 1:44:35
  OK, but like because you're you're a big PTA fan.
• 1:44:39
  Like I, I, I. Wanna hear your perspective on
• 1:44:41
  this? You, you did.
• 1:44:43
  You did talk about it a little bit, but like what?
• 1:44:48
  Knowing his like back catalog and his and his previous work,
• 1:44:52
  oh what what what happened in this or like what what's in this
• 1:44:55
  movie that kind of stood out. OK, this is this is this is
• 1:45:01
  probably the most like, how should I put this?
• 1:45:07
  Like PTI has never been like a like a director who likes to put
• 1:45:11
  in like politics in his movies. OK.
• 1:45:17
  Yeah, they're his movies are usually like very like character
• 1:45:20
  driven, but it's but they're very contained usually.
• 1:45:22
  OK, right. This one, I feel like he is this
• 1:45:28
  is like the bar is in hell for like Hollywood directors, right?
• 1:45:33
  But like in in in in in terms of like in terms of like saying
• 1:45:39
  something. Yeah, disgusting.
• 1:45:41
  Politics. Having a statement on politics?
• 1:45:44
  Yeah. I feel like I appreciate that
• 1:45:46
  about this movie in a sense that like it's not like doing
• 1:45:52
  anything particularly like groundbreaking, groundbreaking
• 1:45:57
  or radical, but it's ETA is like.
• 1:46:01
  Why are you laughing? Yeah, why are you?
• 1:46:02
  Laughing. Daniel's got some thoughts about
• 1:46:05
  that. I can already see it's.
• 1:46:06
  OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:08
  This is me. Like acknowledging that, yeah,
• 1:46:10
  the bar is in hell. So I mean, like, yeah, he's not
• 1:46:13
  doing much, but like he's saying.
• 1:46:15
  Something. He's saying.
• 1:46:16
  Something he's saying something he's saying something.
• 1:46:18
  He's. Saying something he's.
• 1:46:20
  Saying. Something.
• 1:46:21
  What is that? Being big 2025, right?
• 1:46:23
  Like, yeah, yeah. Ice is bad, guys.
• 1:46:28
  Ice is bad, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:46:31
  And yeah, like I want to hear from you though.
• 1:46:35
  Like what? What do you?
• 1:46:36
  What do you think? Of that so for the politics.
• 1:46:38
  Yeah. Yeah, there we go.
• 1:46:41
  There. We.
• 1:46:43
  Go yeah, OK. I'm I'm I'm trying to keep this
• 1:46:46
  condensed. I think you you're right.
• 1:46:51
  The bar is in hell. So the fact that like we did get
• 1:46:53
  like an Oscar nomination or like a big director is willing to try
• 1:46:57
  to say something about it is already like, yeah, big moves
• 1:47:01
  big. It was great.
• 1:47:01
  Like, let's let's do this. Like this is this is a good
• 1:47:04
  change. However, in terms of like what
• 1:47:07
  is actually said on screen, I think that's where like I I
• 1:47:10
  heavily disagree because I don't know what the fuck this movie
• 1:47:15
  believes other than racists are cringe and bad.
• 1:47:20
  Which I get right but I feel like I didn't need Paul Thomas
• 1:47:23
  Anderson to like say that to me. Ground breaking.
• 1:47:26
  Opinion. Yeah, ground breaking opinion,
• 1:47:28
  racism bad, which I guess it's like, I guess it's like, yeah,
• 1:47:32
  well, I guess seeing where America's going at this point,
• 1:47:35
  some people need to be fucking reminded.
• 1:47:37
  But I think it's, yeah, a lot of this is personal, but I think a
• 1:47:46
  lot of it is also like, not so personal because I really don't
• 1:47:52
  like what he did with his depiction of like a
• 1:47:58
  revolutionary movement specifically like like anarchist
• 1:48:04
  black American movements. And I this is an opinion that I
• 1:48:08
  share with a lot of people who are like black and American and
• 1:48:13
  do have like a history with the participating in civil rights,
• 1:48:16
  because I feel like this movie didn't really one it did really
• 1:48:22
  like consult them to like try to like depict their struggle and
• 1:48:28
  their like their like, you know, their battles one after the
• 1:48:31
  other. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:32
  It did, yeah. It did really kind of like trade
• 1:48:34
  that in a way that is like accurate to the history, right,
• 1:48:37
  Accurate to how the people feel. And so a lot of people felt
• 1:48:42
  like, really, really like their depiction.
• 1:48:45
  I don't want to get into it because, like, I, I shouldn't be
• 1:48:48
  the person to get into this and I don't think anyone here is.
• 1:48:50
  But like, there are a lot of, like, black women out there who
• 1:48:54
  really, really did not like the portrayal.
• 1:48:58
  Perfidia. Yeah, Perfidia in the way, but
• 1:49:03
  Perfidia but also like other characters as well, just in the
• 1:49:05
  way that they were like hyper sexualized but simultaneously
• 1:49:10
  not the way that like their relationship with like family,
• 1:49:17
  like like motherhood is depicted because it's like, yeah, cuz you
• 1:49:20
  know, it's like really very like a problematic depiction of like,
• 1:49:28
  Oh yeah, like black people are not like good at lay raising a
• 1:49:31
  family. That's why black people are the
• 1:49:33
  way that they are is a very common thing.
• 1:49:34
  Right. Well, yes, it's usually thrown
• 1:49:36
  onto men, but the fact that like there's a there's a woman here
• 1:49:40
  doesn't really make that much different because it continues
• 1:49:42
  to reinforce, especially considering also like, you know,
• 1:49:44
  this movie came out around the time like Asata Shakur, which is
• 1:49:49
  a very, very prominent civil rights leader in America, passed
• 1:49:56
  away. And she passed away, I believe
• 1:49:58
  in Cuba because that's where she ran away too.
• 1:50:01
  And I think that a lot of people, I, I don't think there
• 1:50:04
  was a way that they could have like marketed to like plan, Oh
• 1:50:06
  yeah, we're going to release this person.
• 1:50:08
  I think it was just a coincidence.
• 1:50:09
  Yeah. That would have been so fucked
• 1:50:12
  up, but yeah, but. Can you imagine they planned an
• 1:50:14
  assassination? Yeah, you know, July got
• 1:50:17
  released now. Hollywood, wait until this
• 1:50:19
  person dies of old age. We don't know when, but like,
• 1:50:21
  yeah. And like, I didn't believe.
• 1:50:24
  Hollywood is some. Real amazing.
• 1:50:26
  Imagine the marketing guy coming up guys.
• 1:50:28
  You fucking that? We can release.
• 1:50:31
  It now, but yeah, that's crazy. I think the really ironic thing
• 1:50:36
  is I believe that Asata Shakur spent not not an insignificant
• 1:50:42
  amount of time in jail and also had to flee to Cuba because she
• 1:50:46
  would not give up the name of her accomplices.
• 1:50:49
  Which is very very like ironic considering like what the.
• 1:50:53
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 1:50:55
  And I think, and here's and I guess like to wrap up this
• 1:51:00
  point, I think it's just, I just don't really like the depiction
• 1:51:03
  of, Oh yeah, you know, like revolutionaries are just a bunch
• 1:51:06
  of like young dumb people with big ideas and they don't really
• 1:51:10
  want to do and they just want to like blow stuff up and fuck all
• 1:51:12
  the time, right? That's a very, very like Harmon
• 1:51:15
  stereotype that like, I don't really appreciate.
• 1:51:19
  I also don't think that like Paul Thomas Anderson went far
• 1:51:24
  enough to explore the nuances of that kind of like life in order
• 1:51:29
  to like really like make it compelling.
• 1:51:32
  If anything, I was just I'm I'm just whenever whatever sensei's
• 1:51:37
  on screen, whatever, Benisha Delta is also going to be like,
• 1:51:39
  yes, someone competent, someone who actually knows what they're
• 1:51:42
  doing. But then he's also has like a
• 1:51:43
  very like, not that much like screen on time.
• 1:51:46
  Nominated for Best Supporting Actor, by the way.
• 1:51:48
  Yeah, yeah, that and so like a yeah.
• 1:51:51
  And so I think that's like politically that's where that's
• 1:51:53
  why I also like the movie. It was like, yeah, this is like
• 1:51:56
  an exciting watch, especially like I think the basically
• 1:52:02
  everything that happens after the 45 minute mark is like
• 1:52:04
  fucking exciting. I think I had some problems with
• 1:52:08
  like, like setup and pay off and no, sorry, not setup and pay
• 1:52:12
  off, but like in terms of character development, I didn't
• 1:52:18
  really see again, like #1 like Perfidia fucked off after like
• 1:52:24
  the first like 45. Yeah.
• 1:52:25
  I was really hoping that she would come back.
• 1:52:27
  I was expecting like, how is it gonna get back up?
• 1:52:29
  She never did. No.
• 1:52:31
  Leo I also feel kinda like his character doesn't really undergo
• 1:52:37
  that much character change. I find it difficult trying to
• 1:52:40
  like see like where do they take his character with this?
• 1:52:44
  I feel like the only person that like went through the roller
• 1:52:46
  coaster and had something close to an Arcus Willa, which I
• 1:52:50
  really appreciate it. I really love her in this.
• 1:52:51
  Role Chase Infinity, yeah. Chase Infinity incredible,
• 1:52:54
  right? And just say it's her like
• 1:52:56
  slowly finding out like the the extent of how fucked up her
• 1:53:01
  family is and how she's caught up in this.
• 1:53:03
  But also, then again, sort of like slowly coming to realize
• 1:53:06
  that like, Oh yeah, this is not something that she can run away
• 1:53:08
  from, right. And yeah, I guess that's like
• 1:53:13
  that. And yeah, that's my take.
• 1:53:16
  And the last thing I'm going to say about that is like
• 1:53:19
  everything that I feel that movie failed to teach people
• 1:53:23
  about like what it is to be a revolution, the TV show and or
• 1:53:27
  already did two years ago. And I think I did a better job
• 1:53:31
  just because it's like, yeah, just because it's like, let me
• 1:53:33
  hold your hand and show you what it looks like.
• 1:53:36
  Which I get, I'm not gonna really make that a serious point
• 1:53:39
  because they're two vastly different things, but like.
• 1:53:42
  OK, I get it. Yeah.
• 1:53:43
  In terms of message, I think it's better, but I get that.
• 1:53:46
  I think in terms of film making, it's not fair to pair those so.
• 1:53:49
  Yeah, sorry. That's fair.
• 1:53:51
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, just yeah.
• 1:53:54
  It was just a. Valid point.
• 1:53:56
  So it was frustrating because I've I really wanted to like the
• 1:53:59
  movie and I felt like, like especially in a given the the,
• 1:54:02
  the climate, the climate, the politics, like, Oh yeah, this is
• 1:54:05
  an opportunity to say something, but like, what is it like?
• 1:54:09
  Yeah and yeah. You are.
• 1:54:12
  You are. Also, you had it on your list.
• 1:54:14
  Do you have anything? Yeah.
• 1:54:16
  What's your take on that you like out of the movie?
• 1:54:19
  What did I like about the movie? Or was it just because it wasn't
• 1:54:21
  Marty Supreme out of the four? Movie it was just because it
• 1:54:25
  was. It wasn't Marty's play.
• 1:54:26
  I got to be honest. Yeah, Marty Supreme was an
• 1:54:29
  anxiety inducing roller coaster. It's so bad it propelled this
• 1:54:32
  one to the top. Yeah, OK.
• 1:54:34
  Yeah. No, no, but, but, but not.
• 1:54:35
  That doesn't mean I don't like Marty Supreme.
• 1:54:37
  It just means I can't really, you know, fuck with it.
• 1:54:39
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:54:40
  And I and I and I and I fucked with and.
• 1:54:43
  And I feel like I fucked with one battle after another a
• 1:54:46
  little bit more. Because in many ways I felt, I
• 1:54:50
  felt, I felt the character played by Leo Dacaprio.
• 1:54:56
  He has. Oh, fuck.
• 1:54:58
  He has a couple names. Pat.
• 1:54:59
  Pat, Yeah. Also, yeah, but also Bob.
• 1:55:03
  But also Bob, yeah, to be, to be, to be, to be relatable
• 1:55:07
  somewhat and that he's just a fuck up.
• 1:55:08
  But also about saying that he's trying his best.
• 1:55:11
  Not a fuck up buddy. He's like, he's like working
• 1:55:12
  harder overtime. Thanks man, I really appreciate
• 1:55:17
  that. It's gonna be a lot.
• 1:55:18
  Of no no no, the the seed of him smoking like lighting up a blood
• 1:55:22
  right before Peter parent teachers.
• 1:55:24
  Yeah. It's so funny.
• 1:55:26
  It is hilarious. It's.
• 1:55:28
  All right. And he opens the door to waft it
• 1:55:30
  out. That's that's.
• 1:55:31
  Really funny, Smokey. Very, very funny.
• 1:55:33
  It is. It is very.
• 1:55:33
  It's a hilarious film. Yeah, yeah, it.
• 1:55:36
  Feels like a. Comedy.
• 1:55:37
  It's Loki a really, really funny even like I I recall the scene
• 1:55:43
  where Lockjaw was interrogating this Mexican guy and he was
• 1:55:47
  like, they're sisters of whatever.
• 1:55:49
  And then like, who are they? They're they're nuns who grow
• 1:55:52
  weed is just some kind of sick joke.
• 1:55:56
  To God or something and. Then the guy, those are like, I
• 1:56:00
  don't know man, he just had a shirt that says tacos you.
• 1:56:06
  Know like, yeah, Sean, Ben, man like who?
• 1:56:09
  Yeah. Incredible.
• 1:56:10
  Incredible. I was like, yeah.
• 1:56:12
  Also in. Best supporting I think.
• 1:56:14
  I I never I I I couldn't have hated another character more.
• 1:56:18
  And Sean, Ben. Played that role absolutely.
• 1:56:20
  Yeah, I kind of want him to win supporting.
• 1:56:22
  He is in the best actor with Benicio Del Toro.
• 1:56:24
  I think either two of them winning, I'd be happy.
• 1:56:29
  Yeah. Just just for your information,
• 1:56:30
  the other best supporting actors, this one's a surprise
• 1:56:33
  for me. Jacob Alordi as Frankenstein,
• 1:56:36
  Delroy Lindo in Thinners as What's his?
• 1:56:39
  Name. Delta Slim Delta Slim Slim.
• 1:56:41
  Yeah. And Oh yeah, selling Skarsgard
• 1:56:46
  into the mental value which I I find I find the most, you know.
• 1:56:52
  He won in the in the globes. He did.
• 1:56:55
  He did. I I find it, I find it strange
• 1:56:58
  because I I feel like Stellan had a more of like a main, main
• 1:57:03
  character role in that movie, though, and not as not too much
• 1:57:06
  supporting. So for me, definitely between
• 1:57:08
  Vinci del Toro or Sean Penn, yeah, leaning towards Vinci del
• 1:57:13
  Toro, but yeah, that's one battle.
• 1:57:17
  A lot of the other movies, definitely.
• 1:57:20
  You know I have a soft spot for Train Dreams, right as I know
• 1:57:27
  it. You do not, because I do feel
• 1:57:31
  it. I have a soft spot for it in the
• 1:57:34
  same way I really like Perfect Days.
• 1:57:38
  In, I see. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:39
  Yeah, in which that is just. So it's just a kind of movie
• 1:57:41
  that you kind of feel and it's an appreciation for life and
• 1:57:48
  things that happen because throughout the movie I've, I
• 1:57:51
  keep thinking like, what is the point of this?
• 1:57:53
  Where is it going? What's the point of the plot?
• 1:57:56
  And I think in that final scene, you as well as the main
• 1:58:00
  character kind of like realize there is no bigger thing.
• 1:58:03
  There's no bigger point. And it's just kind of like, it's
• 1:58:06
  just life. It's just life.
• 1:58:07
  And I think that was a beautiful thing.
• 1:58:08
  So that's why I personally like it.
• 1:58:10
  Life, man, beautiful in it life beautiful, beautiful.
• 1:58:16
  That was like, I think that's the majority of like the Oscars
• 1:58:20
  conversation. Yeah.
• 1:58:21
  They're. Do you guys have anything
• 1:58:24
  additional to add? Maybe some takes with some
• 1:58:26
  movies that we didn't get to discuss in the Oscars section?
• 1:58:29
  Who do you think's gonna win? What do you think's gonna win
• 1:58:32
  Oscars for Best? Let's let's let's do a not who
• 1:58:35
  we wanna win, but who do we think?
• 1:58:37
  Is gonna win. Right.
• 1:58:39
  OK for so for best. Picture best picture.
• 1:58:41
  Let's do best picture. I feel like I feel like Sinners
• 1:58:46
  has a good chance to take it. To be honest.
• 1:58:49
  It's a toss up between that or one battle in my yeah.
• 1:58:53
  I think it really depends on like what the attitude of
• 1:58:56
  Hollywood is at the moment. I'm not really sure because I
• 1:58:59
  feel like the only reason that the people because like, let
• 1:59:03
  let's be, let's be honest, like the most of the Academy are like
• 1:59:07
  white old men. They've even like made a hashtag
• 1:59:09
  about this. They live in like. 2019.
• 1:59:12
  They got Oscars right where it was.
• 1:59:14
  It was very wide. And so they're trying to like
• 1:59:16
  force correct that. So if they're still on that,
• 1:59:19
  they might go for like sinners, but I just I can't tell because
• 1:59:23
  1 battle after another is a really easy option for them to
• 1:59:27
  like look like they're doing like the politically correct,
• 1:59:31
  like, you know, social justice thing, but also maybe not
• 1:59:35
  support this movie that is going to like completely up end their
• 1:59:40
  business model for the next 20 years.
• 1:59:43
  And they really don't want like sinners to succeed.
• 1:59:45
  So like I don't know, I feel like 1 battle after the other
• 1:59:47
  has a really good chance of winning.
• 1:59:49
  I'm gonna have to say the same. I think for those exact reasons,
• 1:59:53
  just speaking, not equality, but also at the same time PCA is a
• 1:59:58
  much more established film maker compared to Ryan Coogler.
• 2:00:02
  I'm not saying Ryan Kluger is, you know, less than PCA, but he
• 2:00:06
  certainly PCA. In the more.
• 2:00:08
  Time in the industry. In the eyes of the board.
• 2:00:10
  Yeah, exactly. And so I imagine, I imagine that
• 2:00:14
  would play a factor in a zoo. Yeah, you know.
• 2:00:17
  Real quick question, does PTA usually write and direct?
• 2:00:21
  Yeah. Oh OK so like there will be
• 2:00:23
  blood phantoms that is also written Yes.
• 2:00:25
  Oh OK because I was really curious like what would happen
• 2:00:29
  if one battle of after another is directed by PTA but like
• 2:00:33
  written? By someone else.
• 2:00:35
  Yeah, OK. I think, well, one battle is
• 2:00:38
  like adapted, right? Like, yeah, it's adapted, but
• 2:00:41
  it's like PTA took a lot of liberties in the adapting.
• 2:00:45
  It's like this. It's a novel by Thomas Pynchon,
• 2:00:50
  right. So I think, yeah, it's it's like
• 2:00:53
  he usually writes his own stuff. And.
• 2:00:57
  Yeah, this one is an adaptation, loose adaptation.
• 2:01:03
  OK, so yeah, he's had this. Story in his head for 20 years.
• 2:01:08
  Yeah, that's what I heard as well, yeah.
• 2:01:09
  Yeah, interesting to note the last time that film directed by
• 2:01:16
  a black film maker won Best Picture was Moonlight in 2016.
• 2:01:20
  That's true. Very.
• 2:01:22
  Different. That is quite a while.
• 2:01:24
  Yeah. I know it has.
• 2:01:24
  Yeah, 10 years ago now. Exactly.
• 2:01:26
  And no black director has ever won best director.
• 2:01:29
  Yeah. So obviously, Ryan Coogler is in
• 2:01:32
  the best director nominations. Yeah.
• 2:01:34
  So that would be huge if he did, and I think huge of true.
• 2:01:38
  Huge if they're true. I I I want Ryan Coogler.
• 2:01:42
  To win, I do really want. Picture and best director.
• 2:01:44
  Too. And I and I feel like it's it,
• 2:01:46
  it would probably be super good for the Oscars to, to give him
• 2:01:50
  that award. Not only that he earned it, but
• 2:01:52
  given the climate, yeah, it would work really well a la Bad
• 2:01:57
  Bunny kind of thing, you know, Yeah, yeah.
• 2:01:59
  Weird comparison to make, but I feel like it it has that kind of
• 2:02:01
  like momentum behind it. Yeah, give give some something
• 2:02:04
  for people to like, rally around just like yeah.
• 2:02:08
  Definitely. But again, he is good.
• 2:02:11
  Yeah, he's a. Fantastic.
• 2:02:12
  He's actually I deserve, deserve it.
• 2:02:14
  Yeah. For.
• 2:02:14
  Sure, he deserves an award. Just.
• 2:02:16
  It's because he's actually. Just.
• 2:02:17
  Because he's fucking amazing. Yeah, for me, it's between those
• 2:02:20
  two, like 1 battle, 1 battle, Yeah, yeah.
• 2:02:24
  Do we think that this year's Best Picture nominations were a
• 2:02:32
  bit weaker than last year? No.
• 2:02:35
  No, what was what was what was the best picture nominations
• 2:02:37
  from last year? OK, you got Anora.
• 2:02:40
  Yeah. Anora.
• 2:02:41
  Yeah. The substance.
• 2:02:42
  Substance. The brutalist dune.
• 2:02:46
  Uh huh. Or.
• 2:02:47
  Dune Dune Best picture. Yeah, Part 2, Part 2, Yeah,
• 2:02:49
  yeah. A complete unknown.
• 2:02:51
  The Timothy Xiaomi. What else?
• 2:02:54
  What else? Complete unknown really.
• 2:02:57
  Yeah, it was. That's wild dude.
• 2:02:58
  Oh. Nickel Boys.
• 2:03:01
  Are there rated movie timer in there?
• 2:03:03
  No, no. I might look at the previous
• 2:03:05
  year. Yeah.
• 2:03:07
  What else? What else?
• 2:03:09
  I will say I think this year is stronger.
• 2:03:11
  You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:12
  Winners in the second. Yeah, hold on.
• 2:03:14
  I'm looking it up. The one that really blew me away
• 2:03:16
  from last year was an aura. There's an aura.
• 2:03:19
  I'm not, I'm not gonna lie. I wasn't a big fan of either
• 2:03:22
  Dune or Dune Part 2. Unbelievable.
• 2:03:26
  I understand. Where you're coming.
• 2:03:28
  From it was it was it was I, I fell asleep midway.
• 2:03:31
  Unbelievable. Which on which dune?
• 2:03:34
  Which Dune Part 1 is understandable.
• 2:03:35
  Dune Part 1 I fell asleep in way.
• 2:03:37
  Dune Part 2. Just.
• 2:03:38
  Was like pacing wasn't really there but Dune Part 2.
• 2:03:42
  Dune Part 2. Yeah, you fell asleep.
• 2:03:44
  When the Lisan al Gaeb. Lisan.
• 2:03:47
  Took the power in the South bro Unbelievable.
• 2:03:51
  Dude is so special because I think it's the first maybe OK,
• 2:03:55
  not the first time, but it's like it was somehow a movie that
• 2:03:59
  was really accessible to a lot of people, but simultaneously
• 2:04:02
  also really satisfied a lot of like the the real like
• 2:04:05
  cinephiles. Yeah, we're like, you know, cuz
• 2:04:08
  it's yeah, cuz it's the knee. Yeah.
• 2:04:10
  The knee vili new. Right.
• 2:04:13
  Yeah, cuz I remember, I remember in 2015 when I just sat.
• 2:04:17
  No, 2016, when I sought to watch Arrival, I was the only one in
• 2:04:21
  the theater. Oh my.
• 2:04:23
  God, that was yeah, that was still one of the best sci-fi
• 2:04:26
  movies of all. Time.
• 2:04:27
  Yeah, I know it is. Yeah, it's in my actual all time
• 2:04:30
  44 favorites. Respect.
• 2:04:33
  Shout out, rival. Shout out rival bold over shout
• 2:04:36
  out Denis. Yeah, it's pretty good.
• 2:04:38
  That was Oscars. We have.
• 2:04:40
  We've locked in our predictions. You wanna just go through the
• 2:04:43
  other categories real quick to just like give up our kind of
• 2:04:46
  like predictions because. Because it's a full predictions.
• 2:04:49
  Yeah. And it'll be great for when
• 2:04:51
  Oscars actually came out and we'll see if we're right or not.
• 2:04:52
  Yep. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:53
  We've locked in best Picture, either sinners or one battle.
• 2:04:57
  Best actor. As I've said previously, it's
• 2:04:59
  Timothy Jalmate, Leonardo DiCaprio, Ethan Hawk, Michael B,
• 2:05:02
  Jordan, Wagner, Mora. I think we're kind of leaning
• 2:05:04
  towards Leo or Michael B, right? Yes, yeah, I would say either
• 2:05:10
  I'm I'm more towards, I'm far towards Michael B to be.
• 2:05:12
  Honest Michael B as well for me, yeah.
• 2:05:14
  Just looking like. Looking kind of like.
• 2:05:17
  I think Michael B Michael. BI would say no one says Timothy
• 2:05:21
  here. Like.
• 2:05:23
  No, wait, is it like, is it like, yeah, is it like a
• 2:05:25
  prediction or? Prediction more like.
• 2:05:28
  So. Prediction.
• 2:05:32
  Yeah, let's go, let's go prediction because I wanna see
• 2:05:34
  kind of like. Yeah, I think Timothy.
• 2:05:36
  I think Timothy, they're gonna give it to.
• 2:05:37
  Really. Yeah.
• 2:05:39
  He does have the momentum behind him, he does have the industry
• 2:05:41
  behind him. Yeah, he.
• 2:05:43
  Does, I'd say, yeah, I think, I think.
• 2:05:45
  Did you? See like the I made, I made a
• 2:05:47
  video about this like. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:05:51
  Go ahead, plug it in. Yeah, the the like, apparently
• 2:05:54
  like him getting an Oscar was already in discussion like in
• 2:05:59
  the Epstein files. What?
• 2:06:00
  Yeah. No, no.
• 2:06:02
  What? Yeah, yeah, dude.
• 2:06:05
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I remember he was
• 2:06:10
  Timothy. Xiaomi was in the Epstein files.
• 2:06:11
  That was my hook in the video. Yeah.
• 2:06:15
  So he was mentioned by like a Hollywood like publicist or
• 2:06:20
  agent or something who's a close friend of Epstein.
• 2:06:25
  So she was, she claimed that she was a friend of Timothy's.
• 2:06:29
  And this was when Timothy was still like.
• 2:06:32
  Pumped by your name, Dave, right?
• 2:06:34
  Yeah, yeah. Before, before Epstein died.
• 2:06:37
  Yeah, it would make sense. It makes sense.
• 2:06:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah. This this this publicist claimed
• 2:06:48
  that Timothy was was was going to win an Oscar for the his role
• 2:06:56
  in Beautiful Boy A. Beautiful boy.
• 2:06:57
  Yeah, right. Yeah, like she said, something
• 2:07:01
  along the lines of like, don't worry, Timothy's going to get
• 2:07:05
  his Oscar for Beautiful Boy or something, something, something
• 2:07:08
  like that. And he didn't.
• 2:07:09
  He didn't. He didn't.
• 2:07:11
  But like, like, yeah, it would be like, he was very young right
• 2:07:20
  at that time, and he was already hanging out with, like, these
• 2:07:23
  Hollywood like elites. Yeah, like far above him in age.
• 2:07:27
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:07:28
  So there's also like possibility that he was groomed, that he was
• 2:07:32
  like promised this the the Oscar and whatever.
• 2:07:36
  Oh, I thought you meant like groomed like like Jeffrey
• 2:07:39
  Epstein groomed. I mean.
• 2:07:42
  I also thought that. Groomed.
• 2:07:44
  As in like. Like like.
• 2:07:46
  Like as in groomed? For that.
• 2:07:48
  But also like Jeffrey, Jeffrey Epstein groomed too, like.
• 2:07:51
  You think? No, yeah, 'cause typically
• 2:07:53
  Shalmay was in Hollywood from the very young age.
• 2:07:56
  Oh, that's true. You're right.
• 2:07:57
  He. Tends to.
• 2:07:58
  He was in Breaking Bad too, wasn't he?
• 2:08:01
  Any sense of what? Me.
• 2:08:02
  Yeah, Breaking. Bad.
• 2:08:04
  He was. I don't.
• 2:08:05
  I don't recall. I don't recall.
• 2:08:06
  Wait, no, not really, right? There was another film.
• 2:08:08
  Sorry. Interstellar.
• 2:08:09
  What Interstellar? Stellar Adams, yeah, I don't
• 2:08:13
  know. Yeah, he was in Interstellar,
• 2:08:15
  but. Yeah.
• 2:08:16
  Yeah, it would. It would be.
• 2:08:20
  It would explain like why he has this like attitude about about
• 2:08:25
  getting an award and what. Getting him, yeah.
• 2:08:27
  If he was like, are you promised that at a young age?
• 2:08:31
  Yeah, like I didn't get it. Yeah.
• 2:08:34
  He also won the Golden Globes, right?
• 2:08:36
  And he did that speech that really, really big.
• 2:08:39
  Like I want to be the one of the greats, one of the greats kind
• 2:08:43
  of speech. Very interesting perspective as
• 2:08:47
  a, you know, as an artist because like, that's one thing
• 2:08:50
  you have to say. If you're an athlete and like an
• 2:08:52
  artist, that's like a completely different thing.
• 2:08:54
  Yeah. Very interesting perspective.
• 2:08:57
  I don't know if he's, again, I don't know if he's method
• 2:08:59
  acting. Marty Mauser still in that.
• 2:09:01
  Yeah. Or, or that's just how he
• 2:09:04
  thinks. You know, maybe it's a bit of
• 2:09:05
  both. But yeah, I think we'll say
• 2:09:07
  Timothy Chalamet as our prediction, not preference, but
• 2:09:10
  like our prediction for who would win.
• 2:09:12
  Yeah. Best Actress.
• 2:09:16
  Tiana. Of.
• 2:09:19
  Actress. I'm.
• 2:09:19
  I'm predicting Tiana. Yeah.
• 2:09:21
  No, no, that's a supporting. Actress that's a supporting.
• 2:09:23
  Actress for Best Actress we have Jesse Buckley and Hamlet, Rose
• 2:09:25
  Byrne and If I Had Legs, Kate Hudson 1000 Blue, Renat Rensvir,
• 2:09:31
  Sentimental Value and Emma Stone and Gonia.
• 2:09:34
  Yeah, that's pretty unanimous. Isn't it Jesse Buckley?
• 2:09:38
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she was that good.
• 2:09:40
  He can't he. You need to watch what are you
• 2:09:43
  this Wednesday? Come watch it with us in in a
• 2:09:46
  Polish moment. Yeah, it's.
• 2:09:48
  Like it's coming out in. Yeah.
• 2:09:49
  When is it coming? Out doesn't not top lawyer have
• 2:09:52
  a? Like a oh.
• 2:09:52
  Yeah, yeah. They have a family.
• 2:09:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm tempted.
• 2:09:56
  Are totally normal folks in? A way I don't know, we could
• 2:10:00
  you, you can. They follow us Sign.
• 2:10:02
  It Oh really? We can just beg them for it.
• 2:10:05
  Yeah, please. Please invite us.
• 2:10:07
  We demand. Yeah.
• 2:10:09
  So, Jesse, yeah. Jesse, yeah, although I have a
• 2:10:11
  take on this. No, that's not like OK, kind of,
• 2:10:16
  I mean, I don't know, chat, chat looking right.
• 2:10:25
  Where are your chat now? Go ahead.
• 2:10:28
  So Jessie Buckley and Hamlet, I feel like it was her performance
• 2:10:35
  or what she was expected to do or what she did on in front of
• 2:10:40
  the camera. Is it too harsh to say it's it's
• 2:10:46
  it's for clip farming? Clip farming.
• 2:10:49
  Clip farming. Interesting.
• 2:10:51
  Whoa, that's a very that's like. That's a big take, buddy.
• 2:10:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no.
• 2:10:55
  What I meant was like, like, I've already seen those clips
• 2:11:00
  before, before I even saw the movie.
• 2:11:02
  Right. It's like her screaming and
• 2:11:07
  everything. Like it's that type of
• 2:11:09
  performance that you put in like.
• 2:11:11
  OK. Highlight reels.
• 2:11:13
  Yeah, it's the very. Did you feel very Austro baby in
• 2:11:16
  that sense as. Well, yeah, yeah, that's what I
• 2:11:18
  was getting from it, even though I, I, so I understood why people
• 2:11:21
  were like gravitating towards it.
• 2:11:23
  Yeah. But it I I just didn't respond
• 2:11:27
  to it as as much as as a lot of people did.
• 2:11:31
  Interesting. Like the very classic, kind of
• 2:11:33
  like bombastic exploding, kind of like performances, right?
• 2:11:39
  Like a few moments like is it OK to say that she gave birth?
• 2:11:45
  Like are you like it's is it spoiler is it?
• 2:11:49
  No, not really. No, she has kids in real life.
• 2:11:54
  I. I guess Shakespeare, yes.
• 2:11:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they. Honestly had children.
• 2:11:58
  But the movie makes it a point like the movie like showed us
• 2:12:02
  like both of the birthing scenes, right?
• 2:12:05
  Yeah, both of. The Are they really trying to
• 2:12:07
  farm it? Yeah, I feel like if it came
• 2:12:10
  across to me as that. Like both birthings, I don't
• 2:12:12
  remember the twins and. No, but also so, yeah, no, Yeah.
• 2:12:18
  So Susanna. Yes, you know.
• 2:12:21
  The the yeah. The older one and then and then
• 2:12:24
  Judy in the woods, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:12:25
  OK. All right.
• 2:12:26
  OK. OK, yeah, that's I honestly, I
• 2:12:30
  will agree with you on that point.
• 2:12:32
  I disagree with you that it's like maybe overrated, but I do
• 2:12:35
  agree that like the marketing really definitely like.
• 2:12:38
  Yeah. Yeah, when in fact, the thing
• 2:12:40
  that the the the most moving scenes are when she's just.
• 2:12:45
  Exactly, Yeah. Yeah, because like, I think that
• 2:12:47
  was one of the reasons why the movie moved it so much is
• 2:12:49
  because it's like to get a little bit of like, like, maybe
• 2:12:53
  like why movies kind of like suck these days.
• 2:12:58
  I guess. Like especially like, yeah.
• 2:13:00
  Like Marvel is like because of the easiest.
• 2:13:02
  I think the easy example that people can relate to is like
• 2:13:04
  Marvel, where there's this thing called like, cuz like, OK, like
• 2:13:08
  my, my brother's also like studying to be like a
• 2:13:10
  screenwriter. And he asked them like, so like
• 2:13:12
  he really gets into this. And writing in a lot of recent
• 2:13:16
  movies has become this kind of thing where like, instead of
• 2:13:19
  like, you know, it's like, a lot of us is like a tell over show,
• 2:13:22
  right? Where it's like, oh, we use this
• 2:13:24
  like, narrative shorthand for like, oh, you know, someone has
• 2:13:30
  an abusive relationship with their spouse.
• 2:13:34
  Let's just show them on screen getting beat.
• 2:13:36
  And instead of like, actually like, having a character moment
• 2:13:39
  where someone talks about, like, what it's like to live under
• 2:13:42
  abuse, right. And I feel like, yeah, the thing
• 2:13:44
  that really touched me about Hamlet was in a movie about
• 2:13:47
  motherhood a lot of the times. Yeah, Like, and I think the the
• 2:13:51
  clip farming like sentiment also reflects it where I was like, Oh
• 2:13:54
  yeah, oh, we want to make a movie about mothers.
• 2:13:56
  I show her like giving birth. She's in so much pain.
• 2:13:59
  She's crying, she's yelling. Everyone's like, it's like the
• 2:14:02
  the type of like, you know, like, oh, depiction of a woman
• 2:14:04
  as like a hysterical mother, Right.
• 2:14:06
  But I think the movie that why this movie really.
• 2:14:09
  I really, really respect this movie because it didn't take
• 2:14:11
  that shortcut. Yes, I had that on screen, but
• 2:14:14
  even before then had like, it doesn't do the narrative
• 2:14:16
  shorthand of like no tell over a show.
• 2:14:18
  It just being like, I had a lot of those moments where she's
• 2:14:21
  like playing with her daughters and her sons.
• 2:14:23
  And there's not really like a point to that scene where he's
• 2:14:26
  not trying to like, yeah, it was just like a very normal scene,
• 2:14:31
  just talking to her kids. She's just doing random everyday
• 2:14:34
  things. And it's like, yeah, that's
• 2:14:35
  exactly the type of thing that like, I expect a mother to do,
• 2:14:41
  but I don't expect for them to show on a film, which is why
• 2:14:44
  when? When that scene kind of played,
• 2:14:46
  it really hit me really hard because like, Oh yeah, this is
• 2:14:48
  like a very like normal thing. But she plays it really well,
• 2:14:52
  which is like, yeah, it's why like, I feel, yeah, it's a shame
• 2:14:56
  that most people are are like very focused on like the, the,
• 2:14:59
  the screaming. Yeah.
• 2:15:01
  Yeah. The you know, when like, yeah,
• 2:15:04
  the one like. It's not her father.
• 2:15:05
  It's not. It's not.
• 2:15:06
  JC No, no, it's not. It's more marketing for.
• 2:15:08
  Sure. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:15:09
  Yeah, so much of movies these days is.
• 2:15:11
  Marketing. Over the actual material, right?
• 2:15:14
  Because, like, let's. Yeah.
• 2:15:15
  Because like, we were talking about like, Oh yeah, Marty,
• 2:15:17
  you're supreme. Why is it the biggest film of
• 2:15:19
  all time? Because the Marcus.
• 2:15:20
  Actually told you? Yeah.
• 2:15:21
  Yeah, the marketing told you do. Do you want to lock in Jessie
• 2:15:25
  Buckley? Yeah.
• 2:15:26
  Yeah, lock in our predictions for best Actress Jessie Buckley
• 2:15:29
  in Hamlet going into best supporting actress and actor.
• 2:15:34
  We've already discussed this previously.
• 2:15:37
  I think Best Supporting Actress Tiana Taylor has a big, big,
• 2:15:41
  big, big, big chance of getting this one.
• 2:15:43
  You have a massive chance. I want to lock that in.
• 2:15:47
  They want an object. OK.
• 2:15:52
  I really like wouldn't be most. Helpful.
• 2:15:54
  Yeah, I wouldn't be mad if you want either.
• 2:15:57
  Yeah, just like the that scene with the where like smoke visits
• 2:16:04
  the grave, Yeah. And then talks to her in the
• 2:16:07
  shed moving. Yeah, Rosary.
• 2:16:09
  I don't want to waste too much time because I could go about
• 2:16:10
  that. Yeah, I remember, I remember the
• 2:16:12
  music being really like moving to Yeah at.
• 2:16:15
  That point like going maybe again because it's predictions
• 2:16:18
  going by if like the Academy like like rides the fucking like
• 2:16:26
  one ball after another is Dick harder for this one.
• 2:16:30
  It might go to Tiana Taylor. I think so.
• 2:16:32
  So I. Think that's fair?
• 2:16:34
  Yeah. I think Tiana Taylor would win,
• 2:16:35
  which is still a very historic thing.
• 2:16:37
  Makes it the three years in a row, yeah, a black actress has
• 2:16:40
  won this particular category. I will say, you know who else I
• 2:16:42
  believe, Who else I believe also deserves a win?
• 2:16:45
  Andy Madigan for weapons. Andy.
• 2:16:47
  Madigan was damn good. She was maddest.
• 2:16:49
  Hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:16:52
  And pretty scary. That would be like a big win for
• 2:16:55
  like horror lover it would. Be.
• 2:16:57
  Yeah, yeah. Either way, we win.
• 2:16:59
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:17:01
  And shadow. Shadow Elle Fanning though, like
• 2:17:03
  I really liked her performance. Do you prefer Elle Fanning as
• 2:17:05
  opposed to the sister? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I
• 2:17:11
  might, yeah. Cuz like, yeah, I don't know,
• 2:17:15
  Loki. One of my favorite parts of that
• 2:17:18
  movie, yeah, Was Elle. Fanning, Elle Fanning.
• 2:17:21
  I did like her. It was a very layered
• 2:17:23
  performance as like an actor playing an actor who is playing
• 2:17:27
  an actor who's not that good. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:17:30
  Yeah, being outside. How do IA good actress play a
• 2:17:33
  bad actress? Yeah.
• 2:17:35
  That's really tough. I have to be able to do
• 2:17:37
  something so matter. Yeah.
• 2:17:40
  So that was best. The best supporting actor and
• 2:17:42
  actresses will do best director, which is Paul Thomas Anderson,
• 2:17:47
  Ryan Coogler, Josh Staff, the Rakim Trier and Chloe Zhao.
• 2:17:51
  Real heavy hitters here. Yeah, all real heavy hitters.
• 2:17:54
  All. Really good.
• 2:17:55
  I can't. Do that.
• 2:17:56
  It is going to be a really, really tough one.
• 2:17:59
  To be honest. I don't know.
• 2:18:02
  I actually honestly don't know for this one.
• 2:18:04
  My my best guess would probably be PTA for this one.
• 2:18:08
  Same. Might be it, might be, although
• 2:18:11
  I I I I low key hope Ryan Coogler.
• 2:18:14
  Ryan Coogler, that would be his. Story.
• 2:18:16
  The first black director. Honestly, I think Ryan Coogler
• 2:18:19
  has a has a good yeah. He deserves.
• 2:18:22
  It. Yeah, let's say we split it.
• 2:18:23
  Like I'm tied between, yeah, between PTA and Ryan Coogler.
• 2:18:25
  Let's say you guys lock in predictions for best director
• 2:18:29
  Ryan Coogler, YouTube. Yep.
• 2:18:30
  And then we'll say PTA. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:18:32
  We'll see who. Wins.
• 2:18:33
  Because either way, we will win, yeah.
• 2:18:35
  We'll, we will be right. What in the blackjack is this?
• 2:18:41
  And then that was basically the the, the big stuff, right?
• 2:18:44
  There is a new category for this year's as Oscar.
• 2:18:48
  There's a new category that hasn't been, you know, announced
• 2:18:51
  before or used before. It's just best casting.
• 2:18:54
  The best category for best casting is new, never before
• 2:18:57
  been used. Nominated are Hamlet, Marty
• 2:19:00
  Supreme won battle thinners and the secret agent.
• 2:19:03
  I feel like it has to go to sinners.
• 2:19:04
  It has to go to sinners, everyone in that.
• 2:19:06
  Film is like Miles. Top notch, yeah.
• 2:19:09
  Casting right. Casting.
• 2:19:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hailey Steinfeld, Jack
• 2:19:12
  O'Connell. Incredible.
• 2:19:15
  Michael Lee, Michael B Jordan. Perfect casting all around.
• 2:19:19
  I'm sorry, I'm a Nina Gold stand.
• 2:19:22
  I'm a yeah, Nina Gold stand because I think Nina Gold did a
• 2:19:25
  lot of things. Nina Gold also has this thing of
• 2:19:28
  like she, I think she's based in the UK, if I'm not wrong, right?
• 2:19:31
  And Nina Gold has this thing of like, she has a lot of
• 2:19:35
  connections, and she likes to, like, just pick some random
• 2:19:40
  person from God knows where. No one knows him, no one knows
• 2:19:44
  her, but they've got really, really good talent.
• 2:19:46
  I think her ability to spot, that's really powerful.
• 2:19:48
  Yeah. The reason I know this because
• 2:19:51
  Nina Gold also did the casting for Andor the TV.
• 2:19:54
  Show. Yeah.
• 2:19:56
  And she has this really, really good thing of like, I don't
• 2:19:58
  know, I think it's more of like a British cinema, British film
• 2:20:01
  making thing rather than a Nina Gold thing.
• 2:20:03
  But like. She has a really good penchant
• 2:20:05
  for picking people who just look like normal people.
• 2:20:07
  Yeah. I miss normal people in films
• 2:20:09
  bro. Yeah.
• 2:20:10
  Because like. I want more ugly.
• 2:20:12
  People in films, I want an opportunity to shit on Wuthering
• 2:20:14
  Height, but I don't think we're going to have the time of that
• 2:20:16
  where it's like on top of like the film making being very, very
• 2:20:19
  weird and like all the other things, it's like, I also think
• 2:20:22
  that like Jacob Alordi and Margot Robbie don't look like
• 2:20:25
  real people. No, like they.
• 2:20:27
  Are I think one face. I think one face, Right, Yeah.
• 2:20:29
  And like, Nina Gold is like the antidote to that because like,
• 2:20:32
  if you remember in Hamnet, there's the scene where they
• 2:20:36
  film it in the Globe Theater and then she has to walk through the
• 2:20:39
  peasants who are coming to watch.
• 2:20:40
  They like Oh my God, the most normal looking people ever.
• 2:20:43
  Yeah, they look like real peasants.
• 2:20:45
  Yeah, and also the fact that these people are also, these
• 2:20:48
  extras are also doing good acting.
• 2:20:50
  They're not just like they rangle some extras, OK, Just do
• 2:20:53
  in the background. Didn't do nothing, right.
• 2:20:54
  They're actually like, some of them, they're like weeping.
• 2:20:56
  Yeah. They're weeping on stage and
• 2:20:58
  like, OK, yeah. And then, you know, gold is
• 2:21:00
  really good at just, like, spotting talent.
• 2:21:01
  I really like when they've like, yeah.
• 2:21:03
  I noticed that during the Hamlet sequence, like, yeah, the actor,
• 2:21:06
  the extras, they, they're put in the work.
• 2:21:08
  Plan although the child actors for Hamlet.
• 2:21:10
  Incredible. The child actors.
• 2:21:12
  Yeah, yeah, the most moving performances ever.
• 2:21:15
  As a child. See guys, child labor can be a
• 2:21:17
  good. But they can.
• 2:21:19
  Only work on set for six hours a day as well that union rules.
• 2:21:22
  They tell Josh Safdie that. Tell Josh Safdie that, man.
• 2:21:28
  Yeah, famous child labor law that like, ignore her.
• 2:21:33
  Yeah, Josh Safdie, I will say that like, yeah, Sanders also
• 2:21:37
  did really good in casting. It's incredible.
• 2:21:40
  Yeah, I mean, like, they found they, they found freaking like
• 2:21:42
  Miles, right? Yeah.
• 2:21:44
  Miles can. Yeah, Miles can.
• 2:21:46
  Like this is his first role. His first role, right?
• 2:21:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. On that, on that, on out.
• 2:21:51
  Of the ballpark. On that alone he has to 1st.
• 2:21:54
  Movie he gets an Oscar. Yeah, Can you imagine?
• 2:21:56
  Wait, what's what's in the in the casting nominations again?
• 2:22:00
  Hamlet, Marty Supreme won battle.
• 2:22:01
  Syneristic agent. OK, so sentimental value is not
• 2:22:06
  there. No, it's not.
• 2:22:07
  Interesting because I would have thought.
• 2:22:10
  Like because. They have a lot of like a lot of
• 2:22:14
  nominations in the actor and actresses category.
• 2:22:16
  So, yeah, quite strange. Quite strange.
• 2:22:19
  But anyway, that was like the the Oscars prediction.
• 2:22:24
  A lot of other those are the main ones.
• 2:22:26
  I think we got them all locked in.
• 2:22:28
  Really excited to see how well these predictions pan out.
• 2:22:31
  Yeah. Either way, it's going to be a
• 2:22:32
  big going to be a big Oscars. They don't always do well on
• 2:22:37
  ratings. So we'll see how they spice it
• 2:22:40
  up. Because The thing is, like with
• 2:22:43
  the Oscars, what's different from the Oscars and the Grammys
• 2:22:45
  is that the Oscars want every single category announcement to
• 2:22:49
  be televised. Meanwhile the Grammys don't.
• 2:22:53
  So like every single category needs to be like televised and
• 2:22:56
  announced on stage. They so it doesn't make, it
• 2:22:59
  doesn't give them enough room to do anything else.
• 2:23:02
  Yeah. You know, not like very small
• 2:23:05
  room for opening monologue, music, entertainment, whatever.
• 2:23:07
  It's mostly just announcements. I don't know why they do that.
• 2:23:10
  It's just they're just kind of weird sometimes, you know?
• 2:23:11
  Yeah, But that was our Oscars. That was a big part of the
• 2:23:16
  podcast. But let's, let's shift it.
• 2:23:18
  Let's shift it back home to Indonesia, Indonesia, Indonesian
• 2:23:22
  cinema, you guys, Indonesian cinema.
• 2:23:24
  Let's just start off with like the.
• 2:23:26
  That's the very simple question. Like we need to go to the
• 2:23:30
  bathroom. Is it cool?
• 2:23:34
  That's that's we can do it, yeah.
• 2:23:37
  Just take a break. Yeah, just take a break, OK?
• 2:23:39
  We're gonna do have a bathroom break and then have a break be
• 2:23:42
  back after his intermission. OK, All right, We're back after
• 2:23:52
  bathroom break and Satya got fucking Phano snapped out of
• 2:23:56
  existence. Just kidding.
• 2:23:59
  Like he, he had to go unfortunately.
• 2:24:01
  So we'll be missing some of his takes, which I wanted to hear
• 2:24:05
  from from him specifically because we're talking about the
• 2:24:07
  Indonesian cinema scene, right? Or.
• 2:24:10
  Is he big on Indonesian? No, but but we were, we both had
• 2:24:14
  like some opinions on Sore, yeah, which is one of the 1st
• 2:24:17
  movies that we want to talk about because it is in fact the
• 2:24:19
  biggest, at least one of the biggest movies of the year in
• 2:24:23
  Indonesian cinema. It's #1 most reviewed on
• 2:24:27
  letterbox, that's for sure. Of the year, really.
• 2:24:30
  Like Indonesian movies or like Indonesian?
• 2:24:33
  Movies for Indonesian movies released in 2025.
• 2:24:37
  Tory was one of the most reviewed and is very highly
• 2:24:40
  reviewed as well. And people are raved about it,
• 2:24:43
  right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:24:44
  It is the movie that in addition to probably Jumbo like the
• 2:24:50
  animated movie, also Aberdeen and Jaya.
• 2:24:55
  Yeah, it was a big year for Indonesian cinema.
• 2:24:57
  Area pretty big, pretty big Papagula.
• 2:25:00
  I'm ashamed to say that I haven't watched most of them,
• 2:25:04
  but I did for this podcast that I don't want to talk out of my
• 2:25:07
  ass. I did watch Story.
• 2:25:09
  I didn't watch that. I think that was my regret that
• 2:25:11
  like that I watched sore even though I didn't finish it.
• 2:25:14
  I couldn't finish it, one because of the time constraint
• 2:25:16
  but other because I was just like not motivated.
• 2:25:18
  Too, Yeah. Yeah, but I was like, I wished I
• 2:25:20
  watched something else. I wish I watched like, because.
• 2:25:21
  Because you're a really big fan of Banku, right?
• 2:25:23
  Yeah, yeah. I wished I'd prioritized
• 2:25:26
  watching that over Sore, but yeah.
• 2:25:29
  Is that your Indian movie of the year?
• 2:25:34
  No, no it's not. No, it's.
• 2:25:36
  Not. Oh, interesting.
• 2:25:36
  What was it? It's tinga maninga.
• 2:25:39
  Maninga. Oh, is that the one with Crystal
• 2:25:41
  Emmanuel? Yes, yeah, Crystal's like debut.
• 2:25:44
  Yeah, I was surprised, man. Like I I'm very OK.
• 2:25:50
  So like Indonesian comedies I'm not really a big fan of.
• 2:25:55
  Sure, yeah, totally get it. I got like cooked for like
• 2:25:59
  reviewing both. I got lions.
• 2:26:02
  You. You did.
• 2:26:03
  You did. In a negative way Reviews.
• 2:26:05
  Yeah, yeah, I got cooked bad shit, but you know.
• 2:26:09
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I did not have like
• 2:26:12
  high expectations for Thingamingo, right?
• 2:26:14
  Yeah. But then it again, it's like it
• 2:26:17
  surprised me with how sincere and how like how much heart it
• 2:26:26
  has actually like in in portraying this like awkward,
• 2:26:33
  like socially awkward neuro divergent, like character.
• 2:26:38
  OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:26:39
  OK. Yeah.
• 2:26:41
  There's a rare representation. Exactly.
• 2:26:43
  Yeah, and a good representation you would say.
• 2:26:45
  I would say yeah, yeah. OK, OK.
• 2:26:47
  Is this like an autistic character?
• 2:26:50
  Yeah. And he's like, yeah, and he.
• 2:26:53
  But it's done in like a comedic way, right?
• 2:26:56
  So it's like he's breaking the 4th wall.
• 2:26:59
  He's talking to himself like he's talking to a child version
• 2:27:03
  of himself. Like in the in a photograph.
• 2:27:05
  It's like a very. Sorry so so what's the the the
• 2:27:09
  premise of the film? Like the the rough synopsis.
• 2:27:11
  Oh, I think, I mean, yeah, with that.
• 2:27:13
  OK, so think, I mean, follows this guy who has, Yeah, this
• 2:27:21
  socially awkward, socially awkward guy who lives alone
• 2:27:25
  because his dad died and his mother is like, his mother is
• 2:27:28
  just like, gone. And then it's basically like
• 2:27:35
  telling the story of him in this office being like the outcast
• 2:27:40
  and trying to like, trying to like make friends, trying to
• 2:27:45
  like, how should I say this? Like he was, he's he found a way
• 2:27:52
  to get people to like him. OK, OK.
• 2:27:56
  And that it's it's by faking. Faking like.
• 2:28:02
  Faking his death. Not his death, but like his
• 2:28:07
  cat's death, his relatives and stuff like that.
• 2:28:10
  Oh, he he's trying to make people like him by, like,
• 2:28:13
  garnering sympathy. Yeah.
• 2:28:15
  OK. OK.
• 2:28:16
  Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:28:18
  OK, yeah, that's that's your movie of the.
• 2:28:19
  Year and it's mainly a comedy. It's mainly a comedy.
• 2:28:22
  Yeah. And it's funny.
• 2:28:24
  I would say yeah, I would say it's funny, OK, but I would say
• 2:28:27
  I I rewatched it again right like it at home.
• 2:28:31
  It was, I think like watching it on Netflix and on like ATV or
• 2:28:36
  like on a on a laptop screen, kind of like exposed the movie
• 2:28:40
  of its like like technical and visual like deficiencies.
• 2:28:45
  Yeah, it watching it at home, it look really just like a, it
• 2:28:52
  looks so like UN uncinematic, like very like a sitcom.
• 2:28:57
  Like Cinetron basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it looks.
• 2:28:59
  Like a Cinetron. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:29:00
  So it was very different from the experience of watching it on
• 2:29:04
  Big. Screen.
• 2:29:04
  Scary. You can write it.
• 2:29:05
  So I'm just like, yeah, I'm like as you look, I disclaimer, I
• 2:29:11
  didn't need. To look at OK.
• 2:29:13
  Yeah, I wanted to say, I wanted to say the writing carried it
• 2:29:18
  earlier, but for some reason I had a brilliant part and I said
• 2:29:21
  the carrying right at it. No, the carrying.
• 2:29:26
  The carrying right? At it.
• 2:29:28
  We've been talking for like. 2 1/2.
• 2:29:30
  Hours at this point, yeah, but yeah.
• 2:29:33
  Thinking yeah, so. Thinking yeah is good, dude.
• 2:29:37
  Like I can't, I can't remember. I don't remember if I watched
• 2:29:42
  Prankota this. It was last year, like the year
• 2:29:45
  before that, but I did that for like my job at the time.
• 2:29:49
  Wow. Yeah.
• 2:29:50
  Because we usually and every now and then we'd have to cover like
• 2:29:54
  premieres or screenings, right. Didn't really care for it too
• 2:29:57
  much. But I think I want to talk about
• 2:30:00
  story actually, particularly. OK, it is a very yeah, even
• 2:30:04
  people. People really like the people
• 2:30:06
  really fucking and to be fair, I can commend it for having an
• 2:30:12
  original and you know, unique for I guess Indonesian cinema
• 2:30:16
  standards concept, the premise, right, you know, the premise and
• 2:30:20
  then the concept and the sci-fi aspect.
• 2:30:23
  That was interesting, that was unique and I and I applaud that
• 2:30:27
  it was. What was the director?
• 2:30:31
  Yandy, Yandy, Yandy. Lawrence yeah, I applaud him.
• 2:30:34
  It was also his web series initially, right?
• 2:30:37
  So it was all like, like it was off his Dome, you know?
• 2:30:40
  So I applaud for that. That said, I I didn't enjoy it
• 2:30:45
  as a movie. I don't think.
• 2:30:47
  I don't understand the the hype and the praise that it got among
• 2:30:55
  Indonesian audience members. It was a very weak movie.
• 2:30:59
  I think in terms of like their writing.
• 2:31:03
  There's a lot to say about it, but I guess primarily I think
• 2:31:07
  the glue that is supposed to hold the entire movie together
• 2:31:10
  is the chemistry and the and the the characters with Dion Ryoko
• 2:31:19
  and also was the actor. Shala Dara.
• 2:31:22
  Yeah, Shala Dara. Like, I didn't, Yeah.
• 2:31:26
  I didn't feel any chemistry from them as a couple.
• 2:31:31
  And without that chemistry and without that, without them
• 2:31:36
  properly establishing why she cares so much about this person,
• 2:31:41
  to want to go through all of this without that holding it
• 2:31:44
  together, everything kind of falls apart because you don't
• 2:31:46
  care. You know, you don't.
• 2:31:49
  You don't care and you don't understand why.
• 2:31:52
  Like this is the the length that she would go to and that that's
• 2:31:56
  just among one of the many kind of like, writing and story
• 2:31:59
  issues that I had with the movie.
• 2:32:00
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are your thoughts on it
• 2:32:02
  about? OK, so wait, so have you, have
• 2:32:11
  you actually like seen my take on soda?
• 2:32:13
  I haven't actually. I haven't.
• 2:32:14
  OK, so basically I got cooked. Again.
• 2:32:18
  Yeah. This happens a lot.
• 2:32:19
  Just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going.
• 2:32:22
  To get cooked too then, yeah. We're going to I was like and at
• 2:32:25
  that time like there was. So if you see like in social
• 2:32:29
  media and letterbox, like now there's like a recent like,
• 2:32:35
  surge of like negative opinions on soda.
• 2:32:38
  Yeah, like it's getting more. Now, yeah, now at that.
• 2:32:41
  Time, yeah, at that time it was like universally loved by every,
• 2:32:45
  like, Indonesian. Came out in like June was.
• 2:32:47
  It or yeah, I think it was around Superman, around
• 2:32:49
  Superman, like I remember like. Watching it the summer block.
• 2:32:52
  Yeah, yeah, there was soda in the middle of that.
• 2:32:55
  And at that time it was like universally loved and I, for
• 2:32:59
  some reason. That I cannot comprehend.
• 2:33:03
  Yeah, go, go ahead. Yeah.
• 2:33:06
  And I came out with my review and yeah, I was like.
• 2:33:12
  You bro. Yeah.
• 2:33:13
  And but yeah, I did not like to your point, like I did not buy
• 2:33:20
  into like this. The relationship.
• 2:33:22
  Yeah, into like the relationship, of course.
• 2:33:27
  Like the point of the movie is like, you mean, I get the point
• 2:33:31
  of why she's doing that is because like, like because she
• 2:33:35
  loves him so much, but I really just did not find any reason for
• 2:33:40
  her to like, go through these lengths.
• 2:33:43
  Like but also like apart from the writing and the story, like
• 2:33:50
  I feel like the concept is just like it's like it's a discount,
• 2:33:55
  like not Makoto Shinkai movie, you know what I'm saying?
• 2:33:58
  Like your name? Your name.
• 2:34:00
  Yes. I mean your name, I mean Makoto
• 2:34:03
  Shinkai is like as a as a director, he's also like he
• 2:34:09
  keeps on rehashing similar themes again.
• 2:34:13
  Right. Yes, yes, yes, I agree.
• 2:34:15
  It it's, it's going downhill. Yeah.
• 2:34:18
  Like with weathering with you and Suzumi or whatever.
• 2:34:23
  Like basically like just like star crossed lover.
• 2:34:26
  Ears and you know. And I feel like the sore was
• 2:34:32
  like, yeah, like a discount version of like a Makoto Shinkai
• 2:34:36
  of a Makoto Shinkai movie. No, Yeah, yeah.
• 2:34:39
  OK, yeah, maybe for like Indonesian cinema and with an
• 2:34:42
  Indonesian audience, it's, it feels new, Yeah.
• 2:34:47
  It feels like, you know, it's never been done before, but like
• 2:34:54
  abroad, like internationally, like globally, like there's been
• 2:34:58
  movies like. There's been movies like that,
• 2:35:01
  yeah. Time movies, time loop slash
• 2:35:03
  romance movies. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:35:05
  Yeah, time traveller's wife. About time.
• 2:35:07
  Yeah. About.
• 2:35:08
  Time. Yeah.
• 2:35:09
  I it's it's that concept that I think Indonesian audiences need
• 2:35:15
  to get around, which is that, yeah, we can't we can't just old
• 2:35:21
  Indonesian movies to a substandard of like, oh, it's
• 2:35:25
  good for an Indonesian movie. Yeah, no, yeah.
• 2:35:28
  Like you it, it's disrespectful to the craft and to Indonesian
• 2:35:33
  film makers to be like, oh, I think it was good for an
• 2:35:37
  Indonesian movie. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:35:38
  You gotta have like. If I was like an Indonesian film
• 2:35:41
  maker, I would, I would, I would be like I would.
• 2:35:43
  It would feel like a backhanded. Conflict, right?
• 2:35:46
  Yeah. Yeah, your movie was good for
• 2:35:47
  Indonesian standards. Like what the fuck?
• 2:35:50
  Like fuck you, dude. Like you want them to, you want
• 2:35:53
  them to be put on a standard of like the international, you
• 2:35:58
  know, like. No, you.
• 2:36:00
  Can't just like, oh, it's good because, you know, we don't see
• 2:36:04
  it as often in Indonesian movies.
• 2:36:05
  But you can't because that's just a very, it's very insulting
• 2:36:08
  to be like, you know, yeah, you want to hold it to the standard
• 2:36:11
  of like every other movie because you want it to be that
• 2:36:14
  good, and you believe that it can be that good.
• 2:36:15
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:36:17
  This movie also does the thing that I hate the most.
• 2:36:20
  Wait, so you, you, you say you, you, you've seen it, but you
• 2:36:22
  didn't finish it? I didn't finish it because it
• 2:36:24
  was just too boring for me. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 2:36:26
  Because not it was. Too damn long.
• 2:36:28
  It could not. Yeah.
• 2:36:30
  Like, like the pacing was very slow.
• 2:36:32
  It felt like it was trying to. It felt like I'd watched maybe
• 2:36:35
  two or three Oscar bait movies. I was like, really slowly paced.
• 2:36:38
  And then it'd be like, I'm going to make that.
• 2:36:40
  And then that just kept on. And so like I got about like.
• 2:36:44
  Where? Where did you stop?
• 2:36:45
  Yeah. Oh, quite.
• 2:36:47
  Early in the like 30 minutes I think, I think they were just
• 2:36:53
  getting to know each other. Very fast.
• 2:36:55
  And then, yeah. And then I was like, I, I can't
• 2:36:58
  stand any more of this. And then, like, when I arrived
• 2:37:01
  here this morning to set up, they were still watching the
• 2:37:03
  last 20 minutes of the movie. And when I saw it, I'm like, I
• 2:37:06
  did not see any market difference.
• 2:37:09
  And I'd be like, Oh, no, I guess like I'm saved.
• 2:37:12
  But like, yeah, like, no, yeah. But it also doesn't think that
• 2:37:16
  like Indonesia like like to do this a lot where it's like movie
• 2:37:24
  but in Europe or movie, but in like Saudi Arabia movie but in
• 2:37:29
  New York, you know, where it's like, guys, we this, this can't
• 2:37:33
  be. As a selling point.
• 2:37:35
  Yeah, no, cuz I feel like that instantly buys you extra points
• 2:37:40
  with the audience that I should not believe are like, yeah,
• 2:37:43
  right. Exactly.
• 2:37:44
  It's bullshit, right? Yeah.
• 2:37:47
  Some of my favorite Indonesian movies just take place in but
• 2:37:51
  fuck nowhere. Yeah, like, fuck knows where,
• 2:37:55
  right. And like, you know, like, for
• 2:37:57
  example, the easiest examples like last Karapalani and I were
• 2:37:59
  like, people didn't really know. Like I didn't know.
• 2:38:01
  And a lot of people didn't really know what Bunka was like
• 2:38:04
  up until that movie came out and were like, oh, yeah, there's
• 2:38:06
  like, you know, oh, this is what the life of like the, the, the
• 2:38:08
  THEMA factory, the Thema workers are like over there.
• 2:38:11
  Yeah. All this is what it feels like
• 2:38:12
  to live. There, Yeah.
• 2:38:13
  My other favorite Indonesian movie is like Upper Mandi
• 2:38:18
  Genaza, which doesn't really have, I think it's like a 2017
• 2:38:24
  or 2018 who's not that, not that old but also not too recent.
• 2:38:27
  Might actually be newer than that, but it just take.
• 2:38:29
  It doesn't even say where it takes place, it just takes
• 2:38:31
  place. It's a vague.
• 2:38:33
  Yeah, very vague village, but it like it really gets the village
• 2:38:35
  vibe really correct. You know, like, like, Oh yeah,
• 2:38:38
  like I've been to like my grandmother's and I know exactly
• 2:38:40
  the, you know, the, the pink neon colored thermos that's in
• 2:38:44
  the corner or like the like the gallon machine, right.
• 2:38:47
  And I'd be like, Oh, yeah, that like, I think Indonesians
• 2:38:50
  really, I don't know, for some reason, maybe like, are maybe
• 2:38:55
  like kind of ashamed of like our own.
• 2:38:57
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Complex or like, oh, it's yeah,
• 2:39:01
  exactly right. Which I think is really, really
• 2:39:03
  sad because like one, like I, I'm, I'm a big production
• 2:39:07
  designer guy. Like I really pay attention like
• 2:39:09
  production does like, like, like costumes, props of what do you
• 2:39:13
  put in the background? I think that's like a lost like
• 2:39:15
  art, especially in the Netflix age where everything is just
• 2:39:18
  like slightly blurred off in the background and everything looks
• 2:39:20
  like a music video studio, right?
• 2:39:22
  It's a yeah. It's a really like lost art of
• 2:39:24
  being like, Oh yeah. Like like when I was watching
• 2:39:28
  Mani Janaza or like when I was watching last couple, I was
• 2:39:30
  like, Oh yeah, I know someone who has like the big like
• 2:39:34
  sponsored by like Astra motors calendar in the background.
• 2:39:39
  Yeah. You would love Banku, then you
• 2:39:44
  would love. Oh yeah, yeah, that's definitely
• 2:39:46
  my biggest regret was watching sorry over Banku is now I regret
• 2:39:49
  it. I mean, like maybe you can watch
• 2:39:51
  it before we meet again next time.
• 2:39:53
  But like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's I feel like Indonesia
• 2:39:57
  should be more comfortable just celebrating regular
• 2:40:00
  Indonesianness and Sore is unfortunately one of those
• 2:40:03
  movies that like thing be like, I think.
• 2:40:05
  Wasn't it almost entirely filmed in Europe?
• 2:40:08
  Right. Yeah, except for like a little.
• 2:40:10
  Bit in the yeah, yeah, we. All know, I've been there.
• 2:40:20
  I know that place. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:40:22
  It's like 95% of the movies. Yeah.
• 2:40:26
  Croatia of all fucking places, Yeah, yeah.
• 2:40:29
  What's up with that? I don't know man.
• 2:40:32
  I mean, it's not bad. I think Croatia's interesting
• 2:40:34
  because it's like, OK, we do. It's not like a big name place.
• 2:40:37
  Like Paris or. Whatever, right?
• 2:40:39
  But it's just like, just like. The movie doesn't need to be
• 2:40:42
  there, it doesn't add anything to it, you know what I mean?
• 2:40:44
  It's just pretty to look at and gives you extra points because
• 2:40:48
  oh, it's in a nice European country, automatically makes our
• 2:40:51
  booby good. Yeah.
• 2:40:53
  The to be fair, the the I think the web series was set in Italy
• 2:40:57
  or something like in somewhere in Europe as well.
• 2:40:59
  Yeah. Croatia's discount Italy.
• 2:41:03
  They can't get Italy. Croatia was like a tax break, so
• 2:41:06
  I'm like, OK. Which Sheila Darrow would have
• 2:41:09
  needed to learn Italian then instead of?
• 2:41:12
  Yeah, yeah. Or does she already have that in
• 2:41:13
  her back pocket? I don't know.
• 2:41:16
  It's like they couldn't get Italy and like, OK, Sheila
• 2:41:18
  Darrow, what other language can you do?
• 2:41:20
  I can do. Croatian.
• 2:41:22
  Then they go to Croatian. I mean, I feel like like,
• 2:41:25
  whatever I see like a movie where someone has to speak like
• 2:41:28
  I get like into like this autistic like hyperfixation and
• 2:41:32
  be like, Oh yeah, which dialect coach do they work with?
• 2:41:35
  And I'm like, yeah, I feel like you need, you just should have
• 2:41:36
  dialect coaches. I mean, it's not that hard.
• 2:41:39
  Maybe there's not the infrastructure for it, but like
• 2:41:41
  I'm pretty sure someone can teach Italian in the city.
• 2:41:45
  I mean, for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:41:47
  Yeah. And so like, yeah, I don't know,
• 2:41:50
  but what else are your like other complaints about that
• 2:41:52
  movie or other? Like, I'm curious, what did you
• 2:41:55
  get flamed for specifically? Do you remember like what
• 2:41:58
  particularly? What did what did the story
• 2:42:01
  defenders? The story defenders, what did
• 2:42:03
  they say? Honestly, they just said a lot
• 2:42:05
  of bullshit like like they didn't, they didn't give me like
• 2:42:09
  that's real. They didn't like I didn't get
• 2:42:12
  flame for a particular like opinion or like take.
• 2:42:16
  They just didn't like that their favorite movie was criticized.
• 2:42:19
  That's. What?
• 2:42:21
  OK. Yeah.
• 2:42:21
  So there's a whole lot of nothing.
• 2:42:23
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, like. These two, yeah, again, like.
• 2:42:27
  Social media dogpiling. Yeah.
• 2:42:31
  But like my other complaints on more like I think this happens
• 2:42:37
  like in a lot of Indonesian movies, but I feel like a lot of
• 2:42:41
  this, there's a lot of hand holding inside it.
• 2:42:44
  Maybe a lot of a lot of tell them show.
• 2:42:46
  Yeah, yeah, like a lot of like, like Sheila Dara's character
• 2:42:50
  like has a couple of realizations right throughout
• 2:42:54
  the movie, like when she realized that OK, so I can't
• 2:42:57
  force the change on Jonathan or something like that.
• 2:43:01
  And when she had a talk with like the I forgot the Croatian.
• 2:43:05
  Guy the the Carlo. Carlo yeah, she had a talk with
• 2:43:08
  him and like I forgot like the details of the the scene.
• 2:43:13
  But like, basically what I'm trying to say is, like, a lot of
• 2:43:16
  these like revelations or like realizations, it's like it's
• 2:43:22
  always has to have like a verbal confirmation.
• 2:43:25
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You feel me Like.
• 2:43:26
  Yeah, I get. Like like.
• 2:43:32
  I can't change. And.
• 2:43:34
  The change needs to come from inside.
• 2:43:36
  That's like literally spoken. You're word for word.
• 2:43:39
  Like. I feel like, bro, like you don't
• 2:43:42
  need to tell me this. Like just I can.
• 2:43:44
  I know it. And I know, like I know that she
• 2:43:47
  has made the realization that she can't force the change on
• 2:43:49
  Jonathan. You don't have to say it.
• 2:43:51
  Yeah, that seems to be like a big Indonesian cinema problem,
• 2:43:54
  like the like you're having like, like verbalizing, sorry,
• 2:43:58
  like like emotion as exposition. Is it because maybe they don't
• 2:44:01
  trust the audience enough? Yeah, I think so.
• 2:44:03
  It's like, yeah. What's that?
• 2:44:06
  Because I remember watching a movie a couple years back that
• 2:44:08
  had that did this really, really badly was like, so what's that
• 2:44:11
  movie that like the the art heist movie, like Manjuri, My
• 2:44:16
  God, that movie. Cuz like, I guess like, you
• 2:44:18
  know, that was one of the movies where like I went to watch that
• 2:44:20
  with my parents because all this like it seems like a good
• 2:44:22
  Indonesian movie. It's an interesting.
• 2:44:24
  Like premise I watch and I fucking so annoyed because like
• 2:44:28
  everything from like the. Crypto ads, yeah.
• 2:44:31
  The crypto ads, yeah. The crypto ads, yeah.
• 2:44:35
  Yeah, no, but also even like the very important, like emotional
• 2:44:39
  scenes between him and his girlfriend, they had to say
• 2:44:42
  every emotion out like this is what I'm feeling, what this is
• 2:44:45
  what I'm feeling would be like, God, what the fuck?
• 2:44:49
  I feel like I'm being narrated a relationship right now I
• 2:44:52
  suppose. Like.
• 2:44:53
  One on screen and that seems to be like a really big problem for
• 2:44:56
  like yeah Indonesian cinema and like yeah I.
• 2:45:01
  Just think we're all a bunch of. Yeah, like these people need to
• 2:45:06
  be spoon. Fed the story.
• 2:45:07
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like some of the people who
• 2:45:09
  commented on my on my review said that.
• 2:45:12
  Yeah, not. Admitting that you're dumb
• 2:45:20
  pieces of shit. Like dumb we.
• 2:45:23
  Are dumb. Please let us be dumb.
• 2:45:25
  And I'm like, that's not yeah, I OK.
• 2:45:28
  This is. The other reason why I wanted to
• 2:45:32
  watch Sora as well was because of how much my friends hated
• 2:45:36
  Sora as well. Yeah, OK, OK, so like my
• 2:45:39
  friends. With media literacy.
• 2:45:40
  Yeah, yeah, cuz like surprisingly most of my friends
• 2:45:44
  are just friends that I can like share TV shows and like movies
• 2:45:48
  with. That's why, like media gets to
• 2:45:49
  be like one of the number one things we talked about.
• 2:45:51
  And so a lot of the so and this is like the number one opinion I
• 2:45:55
  get from women who watch the movie.
• 2:45:58
  OK. Yeah, right.
• 2:45:59
  This is just manic Pixie dream girl propaganda where like,
• 2:46:06
  yeah, like there's no reason. Or at least the movie never
• 2:46:11
  really like shows an example of why this character.
• 2:46:15
  Why? Why?
• 2:46:16
  Like Jonathan is worth saving? Because I feel he I feel like he
• 2:46:20
  spends half the movie just being angry at her because that is
• 2:46:24
  also true, because she's also for some fucking reason, acting
• 2:46:29
  really manic Pixie dream girl. But I like like her introduction
• 2:46:32
  scene, which is him, which is her making very vague, ambiguous
• 2:46:36
  comments at the foot of his bed. And yeah, I was like, what the
• 2:46:39
  fuck are you doing here? Who are you?
• 2:46:40
  What are you doing in my? Head right.
• 2:46:42
  And it's, Oh my God, this fucking manic Pixie dream girl
• 2:46:47
  bullshit it is. It comes to the point because
• 2:46:51
  the question arises when you see her struggling going through,
• 2:46:54
  there's a montage of her with a time loop like he's not
• 2:46:58
  affecting any change. He he keeps doing the same stuff
• 2:47:02
  that he's trying to prevent. And the question, as a normal
• 2:47:06
  person watching this, why are you doing this?
• 2:47:08
  Like, why don't you just give up?
• 2:47:10
  Why is it such? Why is it, why is this guy so
• 2:47:12
  worth it? And that's really something you
• 2:47:14
  need to kind of like. That's the foundation of your
• 2:47:17
  film for the, for this story to work.
• 2:47:19
  Yeah. They don't lay that out.
• 2:47:21
  And this, the couple don't have any chemistry.
• 2:47:24
  They don't have any prior, you know, history that we know of
• 2:47:27
  that makes it worth it to go through all of this bullshit.
• 2:47:30
  Yeah. The story doesn't make sense and
• 2:47:31
  it's not something you'd want to root for.
• 2:47:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:47:38
  Wait, it's a magic blanket? It's just a magic Pixie.
• 2:47:42
  Dream wife, man. Yeah.
• 2:47:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like very OK, Yandy,
• 2:47:49
  Yandy Lawrence, I think he's I is this.
• 2:47:58
  Is this a thing that's going to get you flaming again, right?
• 2:48:01
  I don't. I'm not sure, but like he's not.
• 2:48:07
  I just think he's very safe. He plays it very safe.
• 2:48:10
  Like there's one scene that I cringed so bad at.
• 2:48:15
  Oh boy, what is it? When they were when they were,
• 2:48:19
  when they almost had sex is. It tickling, yeah, No.
• 2:48:24
  Did you get to that part? No, I did not.
• 2:48:25
  OK. They they almost I.
• 2:48:27
  Couldn't. I.
• 2:48:29
  You know, watching Room. Like, no, just me listening
• 2:48:33
  about it, but like, but yeah, go on.
• 2:48:35
  Yeah, yeah, Like this. I don't know, man.
• 2:48:38
  Like, there's like, why, why does this obsession with like,
• 2:48:49
  like this, OK, manic Pixie dream dream girl is one thing, but
• 2:48:56
  Yandi decided to also make her like this pure, like, virginal,
• 2:49:02
  virtuous. Yeah.
• 2:49:04
  And it, and I get it, appeal that.
• 2:49:06
  It appeals to a lot of Indonesians that idea.
• 2:49:10
  For sure, for sure. Yeah, but come on, like.
• 2:49:15
  Yeah, yeah, we're better than this.
• 2:49:17
  Yeah, we must. Be better than this.
• 2:49:18
  It's it's, yeah. I think that's the problem with
• 2:49:21
  like a lot of like sort of like other similar, I see the same
• 2:49:24
  problem with comedies. I see the same thing with other
• 2:49:26
  like ROM coms right where it's like I think we Indonesians love
• 2:49:33
  movies as wish fulfillment which is why like love stories sell so
• 2:49:38
  hard and also why shitty love stories.
• 2:49:41
  Like sell? So hard here like the Sinatron
• 2:49:43
  type shit that where like, you know the where it's like, I
• 2:49:47
  think for a lot of people sort of is wish fulfillment where
• 2:49:49
  like, yes, if you're a guy, you're watching like yeah, of
• 2:49:52
  course you want someone to like you want somebody like see a
• 2:49:56
  really. Yeah, a really hot time
• 2:49:59
  traveling woman to save your. Life this is like.
• 2:50:02
  Despite the fact it's like nothing for her.
• 2:50:04
  It's like the perfect, the perfect, like what an average
• 2:50:07
  Indonesian man sees as a perfect wife.
• 2:50:10
  Yeah, yeah. Doesn't complain.
• 2:50:12
  Yeah. She.
• 2:50:13
  Cooks does. Everything.
• 2:50:15
  And and she cooks wearing an oversized shirt that implies
• 2:50:19
  she's not wearing any pants on. And she she supports your
• 2:50:23
  dreams. Yeah.
• 2:50:25
  Doesn't ever complain. Puts up with everything.
• 2:50:27
  Yeah, it supports your dreams despite the fact you've done
• 2:50:30
  absolutely nothing to earn that shit and like all your pictures
• 2:50:33
  are low key kind of trash. I can take better.
• 2:50:37
  Photographers, I can. Take that's not.
• 2:50:39
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you show?
• 2:50:41
  I feel like, yeah, the what? What are these stock National
• 2:50:44
  Geographic stock images right now?
• 2:50:46
  Show the bear pictures. Yeah, that's the, that's the one
• 2:50:49
  you. That's the one you want?
• 2:50:50
  Yeah. And then and, and like for
• 2:50:52
  women, I guess it's like the fantasy that like a man that,
• 2:50:59
  that you actually have the power to change a man, whether despite
• 2:51:03
  the fact that he, he's not the person you should probably be
• 2:51:05
  with, right? I think it like feeds into that
• 2:51:07
  delusion and be like, Oh no, women, you have the power
• 2:51:10
  through the goodness of your heart and through the unpaid
• 2:51:14
  emotional labor can actually make this man better, despite
• 2:51:17
  the fact that like, maybe you should just move on If you if
• 2:51:20
  you've been, if you're in your like 30th time loop and this man
• 2:51:24
  absolutely refuses to change. Just.
• 2:51:26
  You know. Find someone else.
• 2:51:28
  There are men who don't smoke. Yeah, that's a big issue, yeah.
• 2:51:33
  That's also like a really weird issue.
• 2:51:35
  Exactly, exactly of. Course like.
• 2:51:37
  Come on, are you really going to make this like a virtue
• 2:51:40
  signaling thing of like don't smoke guys, smoking is bad.
• 2:51:43
  Cuz yeah. It's not that.
• 2:51:45
  It's not that like, oh, like like smoking is fine, don't care
• 2:51:49
  about smoking, but like that's going to be this is the crux of
• 2:51:52
  your the conflict is that he smokes.
• 2:51:54
  Yeah, and that he smokes and drinks.
• 2:51:56
  That's it. Yeah.
• 2:51:57
  It's like, that's why he's a fuck up, Yeah.
• 2:52:01
  Yeah, no, exactly. Be like, what the fuck?
• 2:52:03
  Yeah, Like, Oh yeah, here's the other thing as well.
• 2:52:06
  Like, yeah, Indonesia has this thing where, like, most of our
• 2:52:09
  movies are still morality tales. Yeah, right, right.
• 2:52:13
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is why there's so much
• 2:52:14
  like, I don't know, Ayat Chinta and all the movies that followed
• 2:52:20
  after that. Actually, yeah, unfortunately I
• 2:52:23
  haven't finished it, but I actually did buy a book at some
• 2:52:26
  point. Yeah, I have it on my shelf.
• 2:52:29
  I'm halfway through it. But someone did media on Ayat
• 2:52:35
  Chinta and then the other like movies where it's like it's a
• 2:52:39
  ROM, It's a it's a romance, but it's also simultaneously like a
• 2:52:41
  super religious movie. And they kind of like trace
• 2:52:45
  about like how after IH that does like a big boom.
• 2:52:48
  And there was like a mix between people who like, oh, the studios
• 2:52:52
  were like, oh, this shit sells. But then there's also like a lot
• 2:52:55
  of like very, very like conservative voices and media
• 2:52:57
  and conservative voices. The people were like, Oh yeah,
• 2:52:59
  this is like, this is the the direction that movie should go
• 2:53:03
  in as like, you know, to teach people, you know, that like, you
• 2:53:06
  know, that that sort of like very, very like pure type of
• 2:53:09
  like relationship where like, yeah, don't smoke.
• 2:53:12
  Yeah, like, yeah, you can wear like an oversized T-shirt, but
• 2:53:15
  like you can't have sex. Yeah, you can be like slightly
• 2:53:19
  scandalous, but like never really.
• 2:53:20
  And so all the just end up being like, you can't really say
• 2:53:23
  anything profound that's so watered fucking.
• 2:53:26
  Yeah, yeah, and and so the movie began as like this web series 4
• 2:53:35
  Tropicana Slim, are you? I did not know this.
• 2:53:39
  Are you kidding me? No.
• 2:53:40
  Yeah, well, well, I'm fuck, OK, like.
• 2:53:43
  I might need to Fact Check, yeah.
• 2:53:45
  Yeah. Yeah, I might need to Fact Check
• 2:53:47
  like if it's Tropicana slim or not, slim or not, but it's some
• 2:53:51
  sort of like sugar. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:53:53
  Or something. So it's so in that web series
• 2:53:57
  like the like the main character has diabetes or something, the
• 2:54:02
  guy and he needs to stop like the the the woman, the girl
• 2:54:09
  needs to convince him to live a healthier life.
• 2:54:12
  OK. And with this like with the
• 2:54:14
  product placements and everything, OK.
• 2:54:17
  And they just change that with smoke?
• 2:54:20
  Yeah, it is Tropicana slip. Yeah, yeah, it is Tropicana
• 2:54:23
  slip. So that's where the movie came
• 2:54:27
  from. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:54:28
  That's that's why. That's why it has no structure,
• 2:54:32
  no glue, nothing. Pulling it together, so many
• 2:54:35
  things, it's held. Together by by Tropicana Slim.
• 2:54:38
  Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe.
• 2:54:40
  Maybe it was better if I just watched the Tropicana Slim
• 2:54:42
  shorts and then watched punk. Why So would I have time, damn
• 2:54:45
  it? It was.
• 2:54:47
  Oh geez. That explains.
• 2:54:49
  So much. And that's so funny.
• 2:54:51
  Yeah. What a movie, man.
• 2:54:54
  What are we? Indonesia Indonesia movie and
• 2:54:56
  product placements. Man, yeah.
• 2:54:58
  Truly. Crazy.
• 2:54:59
  Was there a product placements in this one?
• 2:55:01
  Sorry, yeah, was there. Surprisingly, the movie.
• 2:55:05
  I don't think the movie. That was that was in, that was
• 2:55:07
  birthed from literal ads. Did not have an ad in it.
• 2:55:11
  Yeah, how incredible. Yeah, maybe Tropicana just
• 2:55:15
  bankrolled the whole thing. We made so much money from the
• 2:55:18
  ads, we can now make a movie. Oh shit.
• 2:55:22
  Yeah, that was our little segment on Indonesian movies.
• 2:55:27
  Cinema. Yeah, overall in the year for
• 2:55:33
  Indonesian cinema. What do you think?
• 2:55:35
  2025 was, I think it was, it was an OK year.
• 2:55:41
  It was. There's some.
• 2:55:43
  Yeah. There's some good ones, I mean
• 2:55:46
  for like like, in spite of my opinion on this order, like it
• 2:55:51
  did manage to like like letterboxed weirdly included
• 2:56:00
  sore in their first like first edition of like video.
• 2:56:06
  No video rentals. So they have this like new
• 2:56:09
  service where you can like rent movies and there's like their
• 2:56:14
  first movies, their first like rental movies, like they had
• 2:56:18
  four and sorry was one of them. Really.
• 2:56:20
  Yeah. Oh.
• 2:56:20
  Interesting and you know what you can you know how much they
• 2:56:24
  cost though like 1 rental it's like 20 bucks USD dollars 20 USD
• 2:56:30
  for like for some rental you. Can watch it for like once.
• 2:56:34
  I think, I think you can watch it twice or something like or.
• 2:56:38
  Like or like. Over the course of one day or
• 2:56:40
  two days, I forgot. I forgot like.
• 2:56:42
  Yeah, sure, sure, sure. But yeah, somehow it became like
• 2:56:48
  one of the, I think Letterbox noticed that this Indonesian
• 2:56:52
  movie is getting a lot of traction and it's doesn't have
• 2:56:57
  like a digital distribution yet outside of EU that's out of
• 2:57:02
  Indonesia, so I think. This was before it was on
• 2:57:05
  Netflix. Yeah, I think so.
• 2:57:07
  Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Interesting.
• 2:57:09
  Yeah, that's so, Yeah. I mean, 2025 was was, there's
• 2:57:14
  some good hits, there's some stinkers.
• 2:57:17
  Not an overly remarkable year in terms of the progress in cinema.
• 2:57:25
  Yeah, I think. I think so.
• 2:57:27
  Yeah, yeah, just just every other.
• 2:57:29
  Year, basically just a regular year.
• 2:57:32
  It was a regular year it. Was a regular year.
• 2:57:35
  It was a regular year for an Indian cinema.
• 2:57:37
  But there was that one. What's that movie?
• 2:57:41
  The I can only remember the English name for it because my
• 2:57:45
  friends and I hate watched it while it was on Amazon prime.
• 2:57:48
  The the siege at Thorne High. Yeah, Jovanwar.
• 2:57:53
  Yeah, Jovanwar like. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:57:55
  Yeah, Race, race movie. Yeah.
• 2:57:58
  Yeah, yeah, I had like, OK, OK, here's the thing.
• 2:58:04
  Like I had, I had, I didn't have, like.
• 2:58:08
  High expectations. No, no, no, I was.
• 2:58:12
  I didn't have that negative of a reaction after watching it the
• 2:58:15
  first time. OK, first.
• 2:58:16
  Time right, yeah, cuz I I don't know, I just felt like yo
• 2:58:21
  Khanwar yo Khanwar was doing something else other than like
• 2:58:26
  horror like he's been this in this horror jail for like
• 2:58:29
  horror. While that's.
• 2:58:30
  True, that's true. Yeah, put him in a horror jail.
• 2:58:33
  Yeah. Cuz like his first movie was
• 2:58:35
  Dandigoni and then and then afterwards he made like.
• 2:58:38
  Arisan, right? No, no, no.
• 2:58:40
  He that was, that was not him. No, that was that.
• 2:58:42
  Was him. Oh shit, that was.
• 2:58:43
  Him. That was him.
• 2:58:44
  Alright, alright, OK. Sorry, I got that stuff.
• 2:58:45
  Yeah, he made like a noir movie with Kyla and then like some
• 2:58:50
  thrillers, and then it was in the middle of that, in the
• 2:58:53
  middle of that era, he made a romance copy of copy of mine.
• 2:58:58
  Mine, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that was good,
• 2:59:01
  right? And then he just got stuck in
• 2:59:02
  horror jail for like. Horror jail the.
• 2:59:05
  Last 10 years. Or something.
• 2:59:07
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Until I felt was like, OK, he's
• 2:59:12
  taking a step in a new direction.
• 2:59:14
  Yeah. Right.
• 2:59:17
  And also like that movie, that movie was backed by Amazon.
• 2:59:22
  Yeah. Yeah, Amazon, MGM, like, yeah,
• 2:59:25
  it was. I think so.
• 2:59:27
  That was a good investment. Man.
• 2:59:31
  Oh gosh. Yeah, Yeah, it wasn't.
• 2:59:36
  Yeah. Not the best.
• 2:59:38
  Not the best. Yeah, it was incredibly I don't
• 2:59:42
  know, I I think just for me, which is just weird.
• 2:59:45
  Not it wasn't like absolutely horrible.
• 2:59:47
  It was just like it made like weird narrative decisions and
• 2:59:51
  like concurrence that like are just weird throughout the way
• 2:59:54
  like the twist that like. No, it's so bad.
• 2:59:58
  Yeah, the twist at the end that the kid was actually his lost
• 3:00:05
  sister's. Biological child.
• 3:00:08
  And now he's like this murderous bully and I'm like.
• 3:00:11
  You lost me, right? Yeah.
• 3:00:14
  Exactly. It was revealed through like a
• 3:00:15
  Google Drive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Google Drive.
• 3:00:18
  Like, and there's also like at the end with like the the the
• 3:00:22
  twist or like the reveal of like who the driver was in the car.
• 3:00:26
  Yeah. He loves doing that like.
• 3:00:28
  Yeah, but at this point I'm being like poor.
• 3:00:31
  Like, I feel like if it doesn't like, like, further like the
• 3:00:34
  movie thematically, I feel like he's just doing it because he
• 3:00:37
  can, in a very, like M Night kind of way, be like, there's
• 3:00:41
  always A twist. Does it matter to the story?
• 3:00:45
  Not necessarily. I just like, there's twist.
• 3:00:46
  And I feel like, you know, someone should reel him back
• 3:00:49
  because it's unfortunate because I think the concept, the premise
• 3:00:53
  is really good. Yeah.
• 3:00:54
  And it's also not to mention like, Oh yeah, this is like a
• 3:00:57
  great time to like, I feel like it the political climate is a
• 3:01:02
  little bit better that you can talk about this.
• 3:01:03
  Now, yeah, yeah, it's. Also kind of still something
• 3:01:06
  that needs more attention because a lot of people are not
• 3:01:10
  giving attention. And to have this movie kind of
• 3:01:14
  like really fumble the message like halfway through.
• 3:01:18
  It's kind of like halfway through, we forgot that this was
• 3:01:20
  about race. Yeah.
• 3:01:21
  And it was just about the school.
• 3:01:23
  And I'd be like. Yeah, exactly.
• 3:01:24
  OK, they use it as a backdrop, but like.
• 3:01:27
  And then just kind of like, forgot about it.
• 3:01:29
  Yeah. And I'd be like, OK.
• 3:01:31
  And I'm like, yeah, I guess it was just like, disappointing.
• 3:01:34
  Yeah, it was slop. Of the year.
• 3:01:36
  Yeah, that was his year, yeah. This is yeah, 2025.
• 3:01:39
  Yeah, that was that was 25. Yeah.
• 3:01:42
  All right. Yeah.
• 3:01:43
  Another year for an Indian cinema coming and going.
• 3:01:48
  Hoping for better things to come this year.
• 3:01:55
  But that said, I want to go to our closing segment where we're
• 3:01:59
  gonna talk about basically just like a quick 26, what do we
• 3:02:04
  want? What were we expecting from this
• 3:02:06
  year? Most anticipated stuff perhaps.
• 3:02:09
  And what do you wanna see more or less of?
• 3:02:11
  But before that I wanna do a quick little game segment.
• 3:02:16
  This. Is what we usually do and this
• 3:02:19
  is a completely original idea I didn't stole from anywhere.
• 3:02:23
  Yes, the letterbox. Review I guess the movie based
• 3:02:25
  on the. Letterbox.
• 3:02:26
  Review. Yeah, yeah.
• 3:02:27
  Yeah, yeah. OK.
• 3:02:28
  That's. That's not original, by the way.
• 3:02:29
  I stole it somewhere. Yeah.
• 3:02:31
  All right. So this.
• 3:02:32
  These. These reviews are for Best
• 3:02:35
  picture nominees that we are all very well acquainted for.
• 3:02:38
  I'm going to give you 3 reviews. OK, yeah, first review.
• 3:02:42
  This review is by Noen. He just says three stars.
• 3:02:47
  A win for dads everywhere. This is quite easy.
• 3:02:56
  One battle after another. A win for dads?
• 3:02:59
  A win for dads everywhere. This is a dad.
• 3:03:01
  F1. F1, yeah.
• 3:03:03
  Ding, Ding, Ding. OK.
• 3:03:05
  Also dads in that sense. OK, no one.
• 3:03:07
  Yeah, yeah. OK, one more.
• 3:03:10
  This is. Are these all from 2020?
• 3:03:12
  Five. These are all the 2025 Best with
• 3:03:15
  your nominees. OK, OK, OK, OK.
• 3:03:17
  Here's another review by Kobe. This says masterpiece.
• 3:03:22
  He, this person gave it five stars, by the way.
• 3:03:25
  A masterpiece. I'm never watching it again.
• 3:03:29
  Begonia. Oh, OK.
• 3:03:31
  OK, OK, Marty Supreme. But but that's close, very
• 3:03:40
  close. What?
• 3:03:41
  Close. Oh yes.
• 3:03:46
  It's not sinners. No, it's not sinners.
• 3:03:48
  Yeah, it can be sinners. Is it sentimental value?
• 3:03:52
  OK, Yeah, I didn't feel like sentimental.
• 3:03:55
  The masterpiece, never watching it again.
• 3:03:58
  It, it, it, it gave this person too much emotion.
• 3:04:01
  Too much. Emotion.
• 3:04:04
  Wait. Train dreams.
• 3:04:06
  No, why would you say strangers? You don't like strange dreams?
• 3:04:09
  The biggest strange Dreams hater.
• 3:04:13
  Wait, what's left on the roster? Yeah.
• 3:04:16
  We, we forget, I gotta, I gotta look at the look at the.
• 3:04:19
  Not Frankenstein. Nah, absolutely not something
• 3:04:23
  Frankenstein you would notice then.
• 3:04:26
  Best thing is it Hamnet? Yeah.
• 3:04:28
  It's Hamnet. Oh it's fuck way.
• 3:04:29
  Oh. Damn, it's easy.
• 3:04:31
  That's. I got one more.
• 3:04:34
  I got one more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:04:35
  And this is very relevant to our situation.
• 3:04:39
  This is a review from Mac, and he gave this movie three stars.
• 3:04:43
  OK, he says. This is what happens when we let
• 3:04:46
  men have podcasts. Begonia.
• 3:04:51
  Ding. Ding, Ding, Yep, that was it.
• 3:04:54
  The freaking torture dudes. That podcast.
• 3:04:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I only like half watched that
• 3:04:59
  movie because I was in this beach house and a bunch of my
• 3:05:04
  friends, they were watching this movie.
• 3:05:05
  I just kind of like I saw it from a distance.
• 3:05:08
  But you you were in a beach house and your friends were
• 3:05:10
  watching Begonia. Yeah, I don't know why, man.
• 3:05:13
  Yeah. Wait, what?
• 3:05:13
  A choice to watch on. What a choice dude.
• 3:05:15
  Yeah, yeah. Watch this stressful Yorgos
• 3:05:17
  Lanthimos. Like it was, it was really hard
• 3:05:20
  to watch, right? That's definitely.
• 3:05:22
  It goes into the. Yeah, I did not watch the movie
• 3:05:24
  because. As.
• 3:05:24
  Torture born. Yeah, I just don't watch Yorgos
• 3:05:28
  Lanthimos anymore because he's one of those directors where
• 3:05:30
  he's like, I'm sure it's somebody's favorite thing ever.
• 3:05:35
  It's just not for me. And I'm.
• 3:05:37
  Not going to put myself it's. Definitely Tyler the Creator's
• 3:05:39
  favorite thing ever, apparently. Really.
• 3:05:41
  Oh yeah. Yeah, I saw that interview.
• 3:05:43
  Yeah, right when, when it's like if, if like yoga Santi must want
• 3:05:47
  you to be in the movie. I'm, I'm doing it right now.
• 3:05:50
  I'm leaving this interview to go do it right now I feel like.
• 3:05:52
  Visually he is stellar, like the colors, the the mood, but like
• 3:05:59
  it's always just goes a little too weird.
• 3:06:02
  Very, very torturey and like very paranoid and also very very
• 3:06:07
  like body horror. Not always.
• 3:06:08
  It's very body horror. Yeah, yeah.
• 3:06:11
  It's like these movies are uncomfortable to watch.
• 3:06:14
  Yeah. But I fuck with them like I.
• 3:06:17
  Yeah, I can see people. Yeah, I can.
• 3:06:18
  See people who really. Like it's not for everyone.
• 3:06:21
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what's the saying?
• 3:06:23
  Like art should like the comfort, the disturb.
• 3:06:26
  That's saying. And yeah, and like, which I get
• 3:06:29
  so overused these days. I hate it.
• 3:06:31
  But like, I, I do get it. And there are like, like, like
• 3:06:33
  me. Like I, I don't, I, I don't
• 3:06:37
  watch like horror movies. Like I really.
• 3:06:39
  Yeah, like, I don't like, like logos.
• 3:06:41
  Anthemos is too weird for me. Same thing with Arie Astor,
• 3:06:44
  unfortunately, despite the fact that, like, everyone keeps
• 3:06:46
  telling me I should watch his movies.
• 3:06:48
  And I'm being like, I will only watch that movie during daylight
• 3:06:52
  when there's other people in the room, like doing something else
• 3:06:54
  because sometimes it makes me too, like, uncomfortable.
• 3:06:57
  Yeah, But like, I get the craft. But like, yeah, I just be like.
• 3:07:03
  On to 2026. This current year, yes, what are
• 3:07:08
  we excited for? I want to go first because I
• 3:07:12
  have a very clear and kind of normy answer, but I'm really
• 3:07:15
  excited for the new Spider Man. I'm really excited for Spider
• 3:07:18
  Man Brand New Day because it's going into a direction that I
• 3:07:22
  like. It's being directed by a
• 3:07:24
  director that I like. Who's who's?
• 3:07:26
  Doing it Dan Daniel Bretton. Daniel Destin.
• 3:07:31
  Daniel Destin. Yeah, because he's also helming
• 3:07:35
  one of the best Marvel shows out right now, Wonder Man.
• 3:07:39
  That's his. Yes, that's his.
• 3:07:41
  Yeah, OK. A fantastic direction.
• 3:07:46
  I'm I'm loving. Side note, I'm also really
• 3:07:49
  loving the TV show side of things right now.
• 3:07:52
  Wonder Man's doing really great. A lot of very more personal,
• 3:07:55
  smaller scale stories. Yeah, not at 7 kingdoms, not at
• 3:07:59
  7. Kingdoms, man, I'm fucking so.
• 3:08:02
  Yeah. That is so.
• 3:08:03
  Good man, that. Is.
• 3:08:05
  So good. Not at 7 Kingdoms and Wonder Man
• 3:08:08
  almost kind of the same vein, even completely different genres
• 3:08:11
  entirely, but. 30 minute straight to streaming.
• 3:08:14
  Yes, but they're both both 30 minutes.
• 3:08:17
  Yeah, straight to streaming. But like, everything's so tight
• 3:08:21
  and like in a compact and it tells a very more meaningful
• 3:08:25
  personal scale stories, which I love.
• 3:08:28
  So I'm going with that. And I'm also, I'm really hyped
• 3:08:30
  for Dude Messiah. Yeah, Dude Part 3 or whatever
• 3:08:33
  it's going to call it. That's going to be great.
• 3:08:36
  What about you guys? What are y'all looking forward
• 3:08:39
  to this year? I OK I have a few but I might
• 3:08:46
  have to check my list. Yeah.
• 3:08:49
  Check your list. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
• 3:08:51
  Also like a watch list. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:08:55
  What is coming up here? I mean, there's already a lot of
• 3:09:00
  really good movies that have come out here.
• 3:09:05
  Yeah, I, I, I made a video of it, but I, I'm blanking like.
• 3:09:09
  People are raving over a certain help right now.
• 3:09:12
  Housemaid was a really good one. Oh shit, yeah.
• 3:09:16
  Though I haven't seen it, Wuthering Heights is getting
• 3:09:20
  opinion. Not good ones usually, but but
• 3:09:26
  yeah, a big I. Totally agree with your take by
• 3:09:29
  the way, on like Wuthering Heights.
• 3:09:32
  Yeah, no. Yeah, No, no, no, Because you
• 3:09:34
  put it so well, this is an incredibly horny movie, but it's
• 3:09:38
  also at the same time not very sexy.
• 3:09:40
  Yeah. Yeah, where this is like, oh,
• 3:09:42
  people are just constantly like drooling over each other on in
• 3:09:46
  the in the narrative, in the screen, but I'm watching it
• 3:09:49
  being like, I feel like I'm not invested.
• 3:09:53
  In it, yeah. But some white suburban mom
• 3:09:57
  who's unhappily married with like 2 kids will fucking love
• 3:09:59
  this movie though. Yeah, it's for wine moms.
• 3:10:03
  Yeah, that's yeah. Wine mom movie.
• 3:10:06
  Yeah, like, yeah, Emerald Fenner needs a writer.
• 3:10:12
  Yeah, she does. Yeah.
• 3:10:15
  Definitely on a more general sense, probably would like to
• 3:10:20
  see more, you know, movies that are not too reliant on PGI and
• 3:10:29
  post production movies that are shot more intentionally maybe.
• 3:10:34
  Perhaps shot on location using film?
• 3:10:38
  What a concept. You know, just just going back
• 3:10:41
  to basics. Less is more, not too long.
• 3:10:46
  I'm really enjoying the 30 minutes formats that these new
• 3:10:48
  shows are coming out with. Really liking those, really
• 3:10:50
  digging them. Not a big, not a super big
• 3:10:52
  investment. Taking a little jump of your
• 3:10:56
  day. OK, you got something?
• 3:10:59
  Yeah, obviously the Odyssey. That's right, we.
• 3:11:03
  Got we got. Yeah, the Odyssey's coming out.
• 3:11:05
  You're super Nolan. It's like it hasn't.
• 3:11:07
  Come out and it's already been quite controversial.
• 3:11:10
  Yeah, yeah. Like I've had, like I've had
• 3:11:14
  friends who are like history buffs and like.
• 3:11:16
  They. Just are they?
• 3:11:17
  Are they losing their shit right?
• 3:11:18
  Yeah, they are like. They gotta be crashing.
• 3:11:21
  Out right now over. All the shit.
• 3:11:22
  I am one of those people. I think, yeah.
• 3:11:24
  Yeah, I, I just chose to be like, you know what this is?
• 3:11:27
  This is the Homer's Odyssey fan fiction.
• 3:11:31
  And it's better to look at it that way, you know?
• 3:11:34
  And if you like, you know what? Yeah, it doesn't have to be.
• 3:11:36
  And I and I kind of really want to see what.
• 3:11:39
  Up this time, you gotta respect the craft.
• 3:11:41
  Also in the sense that he's going to film the entire thing
• 3:11:45
  on IMAX film, which is, yeah, never been done on a scale this.
• 3:11:50
  This size before. It's expensive.
• 3:11:52
  It's expensive. That man is single handedly
• 3:11:55
  Kodak alone. Yeah, I think they made the like
• 3:11:59
  they made a camera for him for this movie, Yeah.
• 3:12:01
  Special Odyssey. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:12:03
  I also think that he like Christopher Nolan, I think this
• 3:12:06
  was Nolan Tarantino and what other person who like wrote an
• 3:12:10
  open letter and then signed a deal with Kodak to keep like
• 3:12:14
  Philba mushrooms still in production for the next 30 years
• 3:12:16
  or something. That was back, this was back in
• 3:12:18
  2010. So like he's, he's making his
• 3:12:21
  like he's making like the most of his, his, his deal with that.
• 3:12:24
  We like including everything like film.
• 3:12:27
  And I guess that works very cool.
• 3:12:28
  And like again, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting.
• 3:12:31
  I'm really interesting to see where that takes like, yeah.
• 3:12:34
  And like me like, and just like wishful like if I could make the
• 3:12:40
  Odyssey in the Iliad, I'd make it different.
• 3:12:42
  But then again, like, I'm not a fucking at this point.
• 3:12:45
  I'm being like, here's what I would do.
• 3:12:47
  But then again, like, what the fuck am I right?
• 3:12:49
  But like, yeah, so I'm like, I'll see you.
• 3:12:50
  Like, let's see. See Wake up, stop.
• 3:12:53
  Yeah. It's, I'm just, I'm, I'm just
• 3:12:55
  like a little scared for it because I didn't like
• 3:12:57
  Oppenheimer very, very much. You didn't like Oppenheimer?
• 3:12:59
  Yeah, I think Oppenheimer is too much Nolan where it's like very,
• 3:13:07
  very like a lot of the Nolan isms that that the time skips or
• 3:13:11
  the time back and forth like the the the story within the story
• 3:13:15
  within the story type shit, right.
• 3:13:17
  And then, you know, the, the sort of like the obsession with
• 3:13:20
  like the the mad genius, but I feel like there wasn't enough,
• 3:13:29
  there wasn't enough like supporting cast in and also like
• 3:13:33
  not enough of like Oppenheimer's own, like character work to, for
• 3:13:39
  me to like, really connect to his character.
• 3:13:41
  And yeah, 'cause like, I mean, like, I think Interstellar is
• 3:13:45
  still my favorite Nolan flick because he has heart and I
• 3:13:48
  really appreciate it when he like goes for the heart instead
• 3:13:52
  of trying to like really like hyper focus on the on like the.
• 3:13:56
  Spectacle. Yeah, on the spectacle, most of
• 3:13:59
  his movies are about like, you know, like one man who's like
• 3:14:01
  obsessed about something. And I think the same with like
• 3:14:06
  if that obsession is lacks is not very human, then I think the
• 3:14:11
  character kind of like makes it difficult for me.
• 3:14:14
  Like we really like it. Yeah.
• 3:14:16
  I also think that that movie was about maybe like 20 minutes too
• 3:14:21
  long as well, right? Yeah.
• 3:14:22
  Like some of the pacing is off he.
• 3:14:24
  Loves his long movies man. Yeah, movies are getting.
• 3:14:27
  Longer, which I think it's a good.
• 3:14:28
  He's are getting. One yeah, movies are.
• 3:14:30
  Getting longer but some. Part of me being like this they.
• 3:14:32
  Don't all have to be 3 hours. How long you say this is not
• 3:14:35
  excuse 3 hours. For you to keep scenes that
• 3:14:38
  should just stay in the director's gut.
• 3:14:39
  Sorry, sorry, didn't need to be two hours.
• 3:14:42
  Sorry to say that. Yeah.
• 3:14:44
  All right, Odyssey. Odyssey, you got something.
• 3:14:48
  I'm pretty excited for Dune. I mean, there's also like
• 3:14:53
  Project Hail Mary, which is I think.
• 3:14:54
  Oh yeah. It's coming out.
• 3:14:55
  Phil Lord and Chris Miller, yes, Yeah, because.
• 3:14:58
  Of. Which I don't know, is this
• 3:14:59
  their first? A live action thing.
• 3:15:02
  That's a good question. I might I might be wrong on
• 3:15:04
  that, but like obviously I love them in spider verse.
• 3:15:07
  I'm really curious to see where they take it with this.
• 3:15:12
  Yeah yeah, because again, like I usually like Oh yeah.
• 3:15:14
  If it's like visual effects heavy, it's usually like a bad
• 3:15:18
  thing for most movies. But knowing Lord and Miller's
• 3:15:21
  expertise, they really know what to be inventive with it and be
• 3:15:25
  like really push the medium forward.
• 3:15:27
  It's really interesting. The source material is also by
• 3:15:30
  Andy Weir. Yeah, Andy.
• 3:15:32
  We love The Martian. The Martian's fantastic.
• 3:15:34
  So yeah, I feel like, yeah, I'm really looking forward to that.
• 3:15:37
  And then I guess, but that's a very normally thing to say.
• 3:15:40
  Yeah, I mean, like everyone. Yeah.
• 3:15:42
  But it's still, you know, Yeah, it's the last part of the
• 3:15:44
  trilogy. Yeah.
• 3:15:45
  It's gonna be a big deal. It's gonna be Timothy Chalamet
• 3:15:48
  again. And Robert Pattinson, yeah,
• 3:15:50
  he's. Gonna be in there.
• 3:15:50
  Yeah, he's cast it, Yeah. As what do we know?
• 3:15:56
  Or is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:15:57
  He's just there, yeah. He is there.
• 3:16:00
  I think he's he's the antagonist or something.
• 3:16:02
  Yeah, at least one of the antagonists.
• 3:16:04
  Like I haven't read. Yeah.
• 3:16:06
  Oh yeah, no, sorry. I think I thought you had more
• 3:16:09
  to say. Yeah.
• 3:16:09
  No, no, no. That's gonna be interesting for.
• 3:16:11
  Sure, yeah. Also, like the trailer for House
• 3:16:15
  of the Dragon just came. Out Yeah, the season 3.
• 3:16:18
  Yeah, it got me hyped. I'm hyped for it.
• 3:16:20
  I have not seen it, but I yeah, a lot of people didn't like
• 3:16:24
  season 2. Yeah.
• 3:16:26
  I liked it. I.
• 3:16:27
  Really. Liked it.
• 3:16:29
  I I, I understood why. Yeah.
• 3:16:31
  It's not. It's not as well loved as the
• 3:16:33
  first season, yeah. I'm very excited, yeah.
• 3:16:37
  You reached the. Characters and direction I
• 3:16:38
  liked. You know, yeah, I mean.
• 3:16:40
  This could be the last season. Really another?
• 3:16:43
  One or another one. I think they're I think they
• 3:16:46
  have 4. Seasons.
• 3:16:47
  Yeah, either four or five. Seasons of shows.
• 3:16:48
  It's going to be one of those days.
• 3:16:49
  Yeah, yeah, really tell the story, Yeah.
• 3:16:52
  Yeah, I mean, the second season was a lot of edging.
• 3:16:56
  A lot of edging. It.
• 3:16:57
  Really felt like a middle part. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:17:00
  I feel like we could have probably dropped the middle
• 3:17:03
  episode or something. Yeah, I felt like yeah.
• 3:17:06
  But at the same time, I also really, really appreciate it
• 3:17:08
  because it's like it really delved into like a lot of the
• 3:17:11
  character moments I appreciate. It.
• 3:17:12
  Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, like like I really
• 3:17:16
  like the the highlight on like Rainier, obviously, but also
• 3:17:19
  like Corliss and Damon's three episode therapy arc, which is
• 3:17:26
  which is what I just called it was like when we were watching.
• 3:17:28
  Oh yeah, Bros actually working through his problems.
• 3:17:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because fucking Castleman.
• 3:17:33
  Yeah. Gripping him out.
• 3:17:35
  Yeah, I'm just imagining his Dragons just in the parking lot,
• 3:17:38
  just chilling. Yeah.
• 3:17:40
  Having. The buck is happening in there.
• 3:17:42
  Yeah. It's. 2026, they're gonna be a
• 3:17:46
  pretty big year. A lot of big, big movies.
• 3:17:48
  As in, like Capital B Big yeah, Doomsday and Doom coming out in
• 3:17:52
  the same damn fucking month, Yeah.
• 3:17:55
  Doomsday. Also not to mention.
• 3:17:57
  Doomsday. Not to also mention I also want
• 3:18:00
  to mention I think watching Wonder Man has slightly restored
• 3:18:04
  my faith not just in Marvel but in Hollywood because it seems
• 3:18:07
  like the last of the the movies that were written during the
• 3:18:12
  during the writers strike died out in 2025.
• 3:18:14
  Thank God, finally. Yeah, because talk about if you
• 3:18:16
  want to talk about the biggest flop of 2025, I fucking hate it.
• 3:18:21
  Mission Impossible. Final Reckoning.
• 3:18:23
  Yeah, because while the movie was amazing, Tom Cruise is doing
• 3:18:27
  what Tom Cruise does best. Big action set pieces.
• 3:18:30
  The first. No, the first hour of that
• 3:18:33
  movie, I don't know what the fuck was going on.
• 3:18:36
  Yeah, it was shot really, really weird.
• 3:18:38
  The dialogue was paced very badly.
• 3:18:40
  I did not know what the characters wanted to do.
• 3:18:42
  The states were changing. And I felt like, yeah, this is
• 3:18:45
  like, this is peak writers strike material where they just
• 3:18:48
  shot a movie with no writers on set and no script.
• 3:18:52
  Available Vibespace. Yeah, yeah.
• 3:18:57
  And that's that seems about it. We wrapped it up.
• 3:18:59
  It's a pretty long ass episode. Yeah, then we're going on three
• 3:19:01
  hours. This might have been our longest
• 3:19:03
  episode. Yeah, the longest episode, yeah.
• 3:19:04
  Absolute cinema. We have a lot.
• 3:19:06
  We have a lot of stuff to talk about when it comes to movies.
• 3:19:08
  Maybe we'll do, we'll do just do this like a completely separate
• 3:19:11
  when we broadcast thing alongside our usual stuff.
• 3:19:14
  I don't know, because we really do like talking about movies.
• 3:19:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. As as as is your famous tagline.
• 3:19:20
  Definitely. You just want to talk about
• 3:19:21
  movies. But yeah, people, we talk.
• 3:19:23
  Thank you so much for coming by, dude.
• 3:19:25
  Thank you. So.
• 3:19:26
  Much for having me guys. Yeah, we love talking about
• 3:19:29
  movies we love. Watching them, it's it's.
• 3:19:31
  The longest podcast I've ever been in.
• 3:19:33
  Honestly, we're. Really bad at that.
• 3:19:35
  Really. Sorry.
• 3:19:36
  Yeah. It's fun though.
• 3:19:37
  Like, I mean, yeah, we, we love talking about movies about.
• 3:19:41
  Movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:19:43
  I just would just let it run and like most people like only like
• 3:19:47
  clip surf anyway. So like really we, we felt like,
• 3:19:50
  I don't, we didn't really see the point of having to cut down
• 3:19:52
  the conversation. Like if people want to, if
• 3:19:55
  people really want to hear all the takes and all the opinions,
• 3:19:58
  it'll be there. Enough if you are.
• 3:19:59
  A person who raw dogs this podcast and watch the entire
• 3:20:03
  thing through comment on the Spotify comment section that
• 3:20:06
  nobody comments on or YouTube and tell us that that that that
• 3:20:10
  is you. In fact, yes.
• 3:20:11
  And we can't wait to see the Oscars.
• 3:20:15
  The results coming up very soon, middle of March.
• 3:20:18
  Yeah, Hopefully we'll do like, a special like podcasting.
• 3:20:20
  This episode should release at least like maybe like a week
• 3:20:23
  before that. Yeah, or at least like.
• 3:20:25
  The the weekend before, like the week coming up to it last, yes,
• 3:20:29
  yeah. But that has been the episode.
• 3:20:32
  The camera just died also. Perfect.
• 3:20:36
  This is the perfect and the perfect time.
• 3:20:37
  So yeah, this has been Arya, Dan, and also people from
• 3:20:41
  Woodcock and Satya who's gone and see y'all on the next one.
• 3:20:45
  Yeah, bye, Bye.