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Speaker 1: Is the Gold Report.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight. Optus has been told to
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Speaker 2: expect huge consequences after its failure to connect people with
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Speaker 2: Triplo emergency operators has been linked to a number of deaths.
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Speaker 2: I'll have more on that later, plus the decision by
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi to recognize a Palestinian state and what that
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Speaker 2: means for Australia.
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Speaker 3: Greg Sheridan will have a lot to say on that one.
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Speaker 2: Shortly, I'll show you a huge crowd standing around spectating
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Speaker 2: as a woman breaks into a Melbourne shop and then
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Speaker 2: takes off with the merchandise. I want to know from
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Speaker 2: my panel why nobody intervened. Has the crime crisis produced
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Speaker 2: a lawless culture? And we'll go live to London to
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Speaker 2: find out details of Nigel Faraja's bold new plan to
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Speaker 2: deport hundreds of thousands of migrants, many of them already
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Speaker 2: legally settled in the UK. That's coming up soon, but first,
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Speaker 2: on April eighth, nineteen sixty six, Time magazine put out
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Speaker 2: a brand new cover wondering is God Dead?
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Speaker 3: Well this morning?
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Speaker 2: Fifty nine years later, the President of the United States
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Speaker 2: told the world that America needs to bring God back.
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Speaker 3: And I know what you're thinking.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, the man who tweets like a cranky teenager
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Speaker 2: drinking red bullet three am, the guy who spent his
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Speaker 2: entire public life being brashed, boastful, and let's be honest,
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Speaker 2: sometimes downright borish.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy.
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Speaker 2: And if you've ever cracked open a Bible, you'll know
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Speaker 2: God has a habit of drawing straight lines with crooked sticks.
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Speaker 2: And I agree Trump is a pretty crooked stick. He's
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Speaker 2: practically a pretzel. Then again, aren't we all When even
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, whose humility is usually as hard to spot
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Speaker 2: as Hunter Biden's tax returns, admits America is hopeless without
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Speaker 2: a spiritual revival, Well maybe it's time to stop scoffing
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Speaker 2: and stay paying attention. If God can speak through Balem's donkey,
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Speaker 2: he can well speak through a New York real estate developer.
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Speaker 4: We needed not just a political realignment, but also a
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Speaker 4: spiritual reawakening.
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Speaker 5: We did, and we have to bring back religion to.
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Speaker 4: America because without borders, law and order, and religion, you
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Speaker 4: really don't have a country anymore.
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Speaker 5: We want religion brought back to America.
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Speaker 4: We want to bring God back into our beautiful USA
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Speaker 4: like never before.
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Speaker 5: We want God back.
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Speaker 3: Whatever you think of Trump, it should be obvious to everyone.
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Speaker 3: Trump is right.
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Speaker 2: The problems facing the West, bloated government, broken families, crime,
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Speaker 2: the insistence that men can have babies, will never be
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Speaker 2: solved by politics alone. Ultimately, they're spiritual problems. Politics is
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Speaker 2: downstream from culture, and the culture, let's downstream from spirituality,
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Speaker 2: and spiritually we've been circling.
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Speaker 3: The drain for decades.
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Speaker 2: All doubt about that was surely removed in the aftermath
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Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk's death, with so many people openly celebrating
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Speaker 2: his death as if murder was a virtue.
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Speaker 3: By that'son, he got shut.
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Speaker 6: Did you see that, oh man, Charlie Kirk, You know,
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Speaker 6: to the Charlie Kirk family, did you.
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Speaker 5: See all that blood that came out of his body?
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Speaker 2: And yet into that ugliness walked Charlie Kirk's widow, eleven
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Speaker 2: days after her husband's murder, Erica Kirk, stood at his
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Speaker 2: funeral and provided an alternative worldview on the cross.
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Speaker 5: Our Savior said, Father, forgive them for they not know
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Speaker 5: what they do.
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Speaker 7: That man, that young man, I forgive.
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Speaker 2: Him the applause lasted forty five seconds. Just consider that
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Speaker 2: for a moment, standing ovation and applause for forgiveness. And
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Speaker 2: she made clear the forgiveness she was offering wasn't offered
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Speaker 2: because she was some kind of halo polishing Saint.
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Speaker 7: I forgive him because it was what Christ did.
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Speaker 2: That's not oprah, that's not self help. That's the Christian message.
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Speaker 2: The killer didn't deserve forgiveness. But then again, neither dore we.
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Speaker 2: But if we expect Jesus to forgive our mountain of sins,
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Speaker 2: well maybe we need to forgive the molehill of wrongs
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Speaker 2: others have done to us. The choice is pretty simple,
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Speaker 2: Christ or chaos, And for sixty years we've chosen chaos.
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Speaker 3: How's that worked out?
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Speaker 2: Then there was Elon Musk, not exactly the host a
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Speaker 2: child for Sunday School, but even he couldn't escape the
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Speaker 2: gravity of the moment.
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Speaker 3: Why was he killed?
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Speaker 8: He was killed because his words made a difference, because
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Speaker 8: he was ashowing people the light, and he was killed by.
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Speaker 2: The dark, lightness and darkness. And then Elon Musk started
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Speaker 2: tweeting Bible. He posted this line from the Lord's Prayer
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Speaker 2: to his social media account, forgive us our trespasses as
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Speaker 2: we forgive those who trespass against us.
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Speaker 3: So what you've got is a crass.
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Speaker 2: Rude leader of the free world saying we need God,
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Speaker 2: and you've got Elon Musk, a man who builds rockets,
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Speaker 2: electric cars, and AI robots, suddenly admitting his billions won't
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Speaker 2: cut it. He's in just as much need of mercy
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Speaker 2: as Charlie Kirk's killer, and as much need as your eye.
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Speaker 2: Trump joked that the message of forgiveness was too hard.
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Speaker 5: He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best
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Speaker 5: for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie.
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Speaker 4: I hate my opponent and I don't want the best
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Speaker 4: for them.
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I am sorry Erica.
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Speaker 4: But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group,
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Speaker 4: and maybe they can convince me that that's not great.
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Speaker 5: But I can't stand my opponent. Charlie's angry. Look at
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Speaker 5: that he is angry. IB me.
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Speaker 2: There's a very flawed individual admitting publicly just how flawed
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Speaker 2: he is. So flawed he doesn't even know if he
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Speaker 2: can live up to the Christian message, all the more
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Speaker 2: reason to reach out to God. So maybe there's hope
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Speaker 2: for Donald Trump and for all that Trump haters. Hey,
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Speaker 2: if God can soften even the heart of Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: maybe this hope.
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Speaker 3: For all of us after all.
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Speaker 2: So here we are, almost six decades after Time magazine
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Speaker 2: wonder if God was dead. Now the widow of a
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Speaker 2: slain man is applauded for forgiving, the leader of the
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Speaker 2: free world is acknowledging the need for God, and the
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Speaker 2: world's richest atheist turned god seeker is tweeting the Lord's prayer.
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Speaker 2: The most remarkable thing happened in America this morning. We
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Speaker 2: saw that Charlie Kirk. We saw rather what Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 2: prayed for his whole life. Not revolution, but revival. Maybe,
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Speaker 2: just maybe Time Magazine got it wrong. Maybe God isn't dead,
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Speaker 2: Maybe he's just getting started.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi has come out swinging at Optus, declaring heads
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Speaker 2: should roll after a network outage that left Australians unable
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Speaker 2: to dial Triplow.
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Speaker 3: With four deaths now linked to the blackout.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister told the ABC that such a malfunction
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Speaker 2: was completely unacceptable and added that OPTA CEO Stephen Rue
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Speaker 2: should be polishing up his resume.
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Speaker 9: Quite clearly, Optis's behavior is completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: We have made that very clear.
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Speaker 5: Sure the chief executive can to his position.
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Speaker 9: I would have thought I'd be surprised if that wasn't occurring.
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Speaker 3: And fair enough.
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Speaker 2: If Triple O doesn't work for fourteen hours and people die,
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Speaker 2: well the boss probably does need to go. That's not
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Speaker 2: a glitch, that's a catastrophic failure.
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Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: If the OPTA CEO is expected to fall on his
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Speaker 2: sword after four deaths, shouldn't a few of our state
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Speaker 2: health ministers do the same. How many Australians have died
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Speaker 2: waiting for ambulances that never came because state governments, overwhelmingly
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Speaker 2: labor ones, have turned hospital ramping into a spectator sport.
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Speaker 2: It's all very well for the prime minister to demand
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Speaker 2: accountability when a phone network goes down for half a day,
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Speaker 2: but when the health system goes down every single day?
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Speaker 2: Is state labor mates keep their cushy officers, their chauffeured
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Speaker 2: cars and their talking points about record investment. If Optus
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Speaker 2: is guilty of negligence because people can't get through to
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Speaker 2: Triple O and die, then what were What do we
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Speaker 2: use for health ministers who preside over a system where
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Speaker 2: people call Triple O, get through and still die waiting.
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Speaker 10: The state government is under fire after a Blackburn man
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Speaker 10: bled to death while waiting five hours for an ambulance.
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Speaker 10: He called for help and there were paramedics nearby, but
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Speaker 10: they were tied up ramping at our overstretched hospitals.
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Speaker 2: The Victorian Health Minister blamed the problem on members of
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Speaker 2: the public flooding Triple O with frivolous cause. For instance,
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Speaker 2: someone had called for an ambulance over an ingrown hair. Now,
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Speaker 2: if you think that's ridiculous, it's not the craziest part.
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Speaker 2: The craziest part is that an ambulance was dispatched. He is,
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Speaker 2: the Victorian Health Minister, explaining.
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Speaker 9: I'm not going to apologize for the fact that it
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Speaker 9: errs on the side of caution.
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Speaker 2: Sex Stephen Rue, who's been op to CEO for ten
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Speaker 2: months because people couldn't get through to Triple O. But
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Speaker 2: let Mary Anne Thomas keep her job for presiding over
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Speaker 2: health system where you can get through to Triple O
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Speaker 2: all right, only to die because she's got ambulances chasing
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Speaker 2: every in grown hair out of an abundance of caution.
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Speaker 2: It's not the first time someone's died because the Health
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Speaker 2: Minister who has been there three years hasn't fixed ambulance
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Speaker 2: ramping issues.
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Speaker 1: This was just a year ago.
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Speaker 10: Sixty nine year old man has died while waiting four
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Speaker 10: hours for an ambulance in Melbourne's Easts, and it's.
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Speaker 3: The same in South Australia.
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Speaker 11: The disabled man who couldn't speak died in agonizing pain.
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Speaker 11: The three emergency calls were made from his Hectorville care
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Speaker 11: home over ten hours on December twenty seven. Eddie's Auntie
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Speaker 11: and uncle Brenda and Steve, say when their nephew finally
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Speaker 11: passed away, an ambulance was called again and arrived in
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Speaker 11: four minutes.
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Speaker 9: Way can't, mister anons because this is your phone, your problem,
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Speaker 9: fix it and the buck stops with you.
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Speaker 2: So in South Australia you can call Triple O many
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Speaker 2: times over ten hours and be left to die unattended.
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Speaker 3: But when your.
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Speaker 2: Family calls Triple O to say you're deceased or the
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Speaker 2: ambulance is there within four minutes, who's being held to
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Speaker 2: account for that? The South Australian Premier hasn't gone anywhere,
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Speaker 2: and his Health Minister, Chris Picton hasn't.
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Speaker 3: Gone anywhere either. A bit like their ambulances.
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Speaker 2: Why isn't Anthony Alberanezi calling on them to consider their positions?
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Speaker 2: Now I know their state members, but Optus is a
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Speaker 2: private company and that hasn't stopped the PM weighing in.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying the OPTI CEO shouldn't fall on his sword,
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Speaker 2: but I am saying the double standard is incredible.
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Speaker 3: When will Albanezi call state health ministers to account?
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, oh wait, but I'd have
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Speaker 2: more chance of getting an ambulance, and that is telling
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Speaker 2: well joining me to discuss the news of the day
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Speaker 2: is my panel form of Victorian Liberal Party President Michael
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Speaker 2: Kroger and former Labor Senator Stephen Conroy.
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Speaker 3: Gentlemen, thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: Federal Communications Minister Anica Wells has warned Optus to expect
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Speaker 2: significant consequences for the outage last Thursday that led to
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Speaker 2: the deaths of a number of people. So, Michael Kroger,
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Speaker 2: this is the second time in two years Optus have
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Speaker 2: failed in this regard. Back in twenty twenty three, they
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Speaker 2: will fined twelve million dollars.
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Speaker 3: What should happen this time?
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Speaker 12: Well, what happened was absolutely terrible, and you know to
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Speaker 12: be frank unforgivable, but that's a matter for the company
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Speaker 12: to decide what to do. The one thing I would
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Speaker 12: say is, I do only Optus should be accepting any
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Speaker 12: election lectures from the Albanesi government. I mean, hundreds and
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Speaker 12: hundreds of people drowned at sea whilst Chris Bowen was
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Speaker 12: the Minister for Immigration between two ten and two thirteen,
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Speaker 12: Alberanesi was sitting around the cabinet table at the same
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Speaker 12: time whilst almost a thousand people drowned. I don't think
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Speaker 12: anyone resigned, so as I said, I don't think I
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Speaker 12: don't think this government's in the position to be lecturing
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Speaker 12: Optus about what they should be doing. That's a matter
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Speaker 12: for their board.
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Speaker 2: Stephen, just leaving Optus aside for a second, but just
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Speaker 2: to talk about the politics of this, can you understand
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Speaker 2: why people would get incredibly frustrated when they hear politicians
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Speaker 2: like Anthony Albanezi demanding blood from companies, and yet we
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Speaker 2: look at our political class. They break promises, they go
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Speaker 2: over budget repeatedly, they screw up left, right and center,
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Speaker 2: and well, I guess they get help to account at elections.
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Speaker 2: But there's a total double stand that is there not
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Speaker 2: it drives people nuts.
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Speaker 13: Well, look, I mean, obviously some of the things you've
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Speaker 13: referred to there would cause the public to be frustrated, upset,
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Speaker 13: and angry. And that's why they get an opportunity every
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Speaker 13: three or four years, depending on state or federal, to
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Speaker 13: cast their verdict. And if a government is failing on
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Speaker 13: any of the sort of things you've talked about, then
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Speaker 13: obviously the voters will punish them. So I think it's
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Speaker 13: very fair. Do you want to make that point that
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Speaker 13: there's government failures across all political parties, across all states
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Speaker 13: and territories along the way, and so, yep, you make
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Speaker 13: some very fair points, James.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the first time you've ever told me
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Speaker 2: I've made fair points, Steve, and I really appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go out, I'm going to drink after
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Speaker 2: this program. Let's talk quite of change for a minute.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen has hinted that the government will have to
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Speaker 2: spend more money than it previously thought to hit their
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty five emissions reduction target just announced now.
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Speaker 3: Last Friday, at the PM.
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Speaker 2: Assured US no money beyond the eight point three billion
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Speaker 2: dollars announced last week would be spent reaching the target
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be needed, he said, But have a listened to
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen on the ABC yesterday.
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Speaker 14: He just put eight billion dollars out of the door
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Speaker 14: a little bit more. That takes our total investment to
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Speaker 14: seventy five five billion dollars. That's a lot, but that's
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Speaker 14: what we decided to do. That's our plans and that's
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Speaker 14: what we're sticking to. And is that it Well, that's
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Speaker 14: what we think we need to do.
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Speaker 3: At this point, Michael.
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Speaker 2: There was a key phrase there at this point in
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Speaker 2: terms of we don't have to spend more money at
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Speaker 2: this point. It's going to cost more than the government
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Speaker 2: have predicted, isn't it, Because ultimately they don't really know
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Speaker 2: what is going to be necessary to.
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Speaker 3: Get to that target.
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Speaker 2: They've accepted a target, but there's scant detail on how
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Speaker 2: to actually get there.
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Speaker 12: Would any company in the private sector listed on the
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Speaker 12: ASX are unlisted, or any worldwide company in America, Britain,
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Speaker 12: anywhere in the developed world, would anyone give Chris Bowen
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Speaker 12: seventy five billion to invest The answer is no. Bowen
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Speaker 12: is a zealot on these issues. What we know is
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Speaker 12: that you know, with all the good intentions in the
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Speaker 12: world to net zero.
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Speaker 1: It's a great, laudable.
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Speaker 12: Objective, et cetera, et cetera. What we're spending will make
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Speaker 12: absolutely no difference to the world's climate.
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Speaker 1: Emissions.
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Speaker 12: Reactions are a great thing, but when China's emitting thirty
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Speaker 12: times our emissions, there are third of the world's emissions
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Speaker 12: in India and Russia and America have not signed up.
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Speaker 12: What we're doing, unfortunately, is all in vain until such
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Speaker 12: time as a major admitters sign up. We're in the
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Speaker 12: Paris Accord. Great, it's a noble objective, but it's costing
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Speaker 12: Australia billions and we're getting absolutely nothing for it, unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy back to my point about the money issue,
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Speaker 2: As I said, Albanezy says, no, we're not going to
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Speaker 2: spend any more money than what we've announced that was
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Speaker 2: Friday yesterday. Chris Bowen says, well, we won't be spending
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Speaker 2: any more money at this point. You can understand people's
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Speaker 2: cynicism when the government can't get a two hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy five dollar power reduction promise right, but they can
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Speaker 2: accurately predict their own spending apparently into the future.
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Speaker 3: Ten years from now.
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Speaker 2: They claim they can predict the climate, but they keep
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Speaker 2: getting the number is wrong in terms of their own spending.
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Speaker 2: You would not believe anything they say about any of this.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think that's a very harsh judgment, James. I
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Speaker 13: think the Prime Minister and Chris Bohener on the same page.
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Speaker 13: I think you're just trying to split a very fine
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Speaker 13: hair there. We know that when you say criticism of
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Speaker 13: Labor for committity to targets, I mean it was actually
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Speaker 13: Tony Abbott, followed by Malcolm Turnbull, for by Scott Morrison
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Speaker 13: and Peter Dutton, who are all in the net zero
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Speaker 13: by twenty fifty Camp. What Labour's doing though is being
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Speaker 13: proactive to helping create the framework for that private sector
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Speaker 13: investment to come in. And I think they've been pretty
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Speaker 13: successful so far, and setting ambitious targets is really important
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Speaker 13: to keep driving us towards the net zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 13: Still actually the Liberal Party and has been for over
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Speaker 13: ten or twelve years. So if the Liberals want to
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Speaker 13: jump off the bandwagon and try and pretend that the
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Speaker 13: coal powered culfou power industry can survive when they're all
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Speaker 13: closing them down, then look good luck to the flat
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Speaker 13: earthers who think they can turn back time. By the
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Speaker 13: time of the next election, will be well and truly
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Speaker 13: evolved to a position where while the Liberals might want
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Speaker 13: to say they're going to abandon that zero by twenty fifty,
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Speaker 13: it's just not a pragmatic or credible position to be
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Speaker 13: putting themselves in.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Steve, and I would rather be a
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Speaker 2: flat earther than covering the Earth with solar panels and
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Speaker 2: wind turbines. But speaking of the coalition, grim polling for them.
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Speaker 2: Are voters abandoned the party faster than labor abandons budget surpluses.
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Speaker 2: Things are particularly bad in New South Wales, where just
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Speaker 2: twenty five percent of voters say they'll.
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Speaker 3: Back the Liberals and the Nationals.
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger the coalition's primary vote was at forty percent
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Speaker 2: last November. It's twenty nine percent ten months later and
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Speaker 2: continuing to go south.
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Speaker 12: Well it is, that's the honest truth, and that's profoundly disappointing.
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Speaker 12: It means we need to hurry up with some of
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Speaker 12: our reviews and start putting some flags in the ground.
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Speaker 12: But you've seen from Albanize's failure in Asia last week,
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Speaker 12: and what's happening with the recognition of Palestine, that his
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Speaker 12: polls might change over time. And by the way, someone
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Speaker 12: should point out to Albo that recognizing Palestine and telling
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Speaker 12: Palestine who they can and cannot elect and whether they
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Speaker 12: can and cannot carry arms is almost certainly in breach
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Speaker 12: of Article one of the UN Charter. I mean, UN
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Speaker 12: Charter says that countries have a rife to self determination.
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Speaker 12: You can't tell a country who they can and can't elect,
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Speaker 12: So be good if someone pointed that out to him.
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Speaker 12: So when these things are more and widely known, better
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Speaker 12: known through the community, I think his polls will dip.
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Speaker 12: And the guarantees he's allegedly got from Markmunabass, what if
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Speaker 12: the Palestinian authority doesn't get elected, there's twenty other Palestinian
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Speaker 12: terrorist organizations that can run and probably win the elections,
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Speaker 12: and they'll arm themselves, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: So there's sum.
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Speaker 12: Much damage he's done over this, and I think ultimately
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Speaker 12: that will reflect in the polls against him.
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Speaker 2: Well, you make an interesting point, and I'm going to
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Speaker 2: be talking to Greg Sheridan in a moment about Albanese's
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Speaker 2: decision to recognize Palestine, but Stephen when Labor leading the
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Speaker 2: two party preferred vote fifty seven.
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Speaker 3: To forty three.
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Speaker 2: It would seem to me the only danger for Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanzi is Hubris is going too far believing he can
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Speaker 2: do what he wants.
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Speaker 13: Well, look, I think I think you're dead right, absolutely right.
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Speaker 13: Twice we've agreed tonight. But I think the government are
20:53
Speaker 13: very aware of it. I think I think the Albo
20:57
Speaker 13: and the team know that the only danger they have
21:00
Speaker 13: over the next three years is Hubris. So I think
21:02
Speaker 13: Albo has said from day one he's going to govern
21:04
Speaker 13: from the center. He's been true to his word, and
21:08
Speaker 13: so I think the Australian public are reassured. I agree
21:12
Speaker 13: with Michael that pole's are fickle, poles can turn. You
21:15
Speaker 13: just got to look the point you made earlier. Dutton
21:18
Speaker 13: was on forty percent not even twelve months ago, and
21:22
Speaker 13: so you know, you've got to keep your word. You've
21:26
Speaker 13: got to stay focused on governing from the center. And
21:28
Speaker 13: I think you know, if you look at the package
21:31
Speaker 13: of policies that are being brought forward, they're the election commitments.
21:34
Speaker 13: They were elected to do these things and they're now
21:37
Speaker 13: beginning to roll them out. So I think Albo has
21:40
Speaker 13: all the credit in the bank where he can continue
21:43
Speaker 13: to evolve our policies as we have articulated at the
21:48
Speaker 13: last election.
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Speaker 2: Yep, it's very true, very true, what you say, Michael
21:53
Speaker 2: Kroger and the very agreeable Stephen Conroy.
21:56
Speaker 3: Thank you to both of you for your time tonight.
21:58
Speaker 1: Thanks mate.
21:59
Speaker 2: Last last weekend for the Albanezi and Chris Bowen told
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Speaker 2: us that if we can reduce our missions by sixty
22:06
Speaker 2: two percent on two thousand and five levels over the
22:08
Speaker 2: next decade, we'll reap a two point two trillion dollar benefit.
22:13
Speaker 2: Sounds amazing. Then again, as I said, how can they
22:16
Speaker 2: not get a two hundred and seventy five dollar promise
22:19
Speaker 2: right and then expect us to believe a two point
22:21
Speaker 2: two trillion dollar promise. Joining me now is AMP chief
22:24
Speaker 2: economist Shane Oliver. Shane, welcome to the program. A two
22:28
Speaker 2: point two trillion dollar benefit to the economy by twenty
22:32
Speaker 2: thirty five. It sounds fantastic, But you are dubious.
22:35
Speaker 3: Why Well, there's been.
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Speaker 9: A long history of these sort of grand prognostications, often
22:41
Speaker 9: on the gloomy side, and we saw that last Monday
22:44
Speaker 9: from the government in terms of the deerm and gloom
22:47
Speaker 9: around what would happen if we didn't do anything on
22:49
Speaker 9: climate you know, bans wiped off the property markets, huge
22:54
Speaker 9: increase in climate related deaths, and all that sort of stuff.
22:58
Speaker 9: And now, of course, later in the week, I guess,
23:00
Speaker 9: to rescue us from the doom and gloom, we had
23:02
Speaker 9: that two point two trillion dollar number. I think it's
23:06
Speaker 9: just fancible. It's pulled out of thin air. Yes, if
23:09
Speaker 9: you're spending extra money to mitigate the damage from climate
23:13
Speaker 9: change and transition to renewables, that costs money. But to
23:19
Speaker 9: be honest with you, that two trillion dollar number, I
23:22
Speaker 9: think is just fanciful. You might say, well, it's a
23:25
Speaker 9: fantastic investment.
23:26
Speaker 3: If all the government is.
23:27
Speaker 9: Spending is an extra eight point three billion dollars or
23:30
Speaker 9: seventy five billion dollars in total, and you're going to
23:33
Speaker 9: get two point two trillion, that's a fantastic outcome.
23:36
Speaker 3: But I just don't believe it.
23:38
Speaker 9: Over the years, I've sent many of these sorts of
23:40
Speaker 9: projections that if they do this, then it will result
23:42
Speaker 9: in a boom in the economy or a huge hit,
23:44
Speaker 9: and the economy just keeps motoring along. The other thing
23:48
Speaker 9: to note is that and just how fanciabull these numbers are.
23:51
Speaker 9: The economy today is about two point seven trillion dollars.
23:55
Speaker 9: So what they're trying to say is if we proceed
23:58
Speaker 9: along this path would orderly transition to net zero by
24:02
Speaker 9: twenty fifty, the economy will be two point two trillion
24:05
Speaker 9: dollars bigger. That's a massive increase on the back of
24:09
Speaker 9: the size of the economy at present. I just don't
24:11
Speaker 9: believe that it's going to happen. We will get a
24:13
Speaker 9: bigger economy because the economy will grow normally, but it
24:17
Speaker 9: won't be due to costs associated with climate change. It'll
24:22
Speaker 9: just be due to normal growth.
24:23
Speaker 3: In the economy.
24:24
Speaker 5: But you've got it.
24:25
Speaker 3: You really got to treat these numbers with a lot
24:27
Speaker 3: of caution. So what's going on here?
24:32
Speaker 2: Is the government just a bit hopeless with their figures
24:36
Speaker 2: or treasury or are they deliberately trying to overstate the
24:39
Speaker 2: benefits of this green push to get everybody on board.
24:43
Speaker 14: Loo.
24:43
Speaker 9: I think it's a bit of birth. Last Monday we
24:46
Speaker 9: saw those horrible numbers in terms of projections for the economy.
24:50
Speaker 9: Some are just gross exaggerations. The four hundred and forty
24:53
Speaker 9: four percent increase in heat death, totally ignoring the fact
24:56
Speaker 9: that you'll end up with less cold related deaths. Six
25:00
Speaker 9: hundred and eleven billion dollars wiped off property value is
25:02
Speaker 9: totally ignores the fact that people are still going to
25:05
Speaker 9: live somewhere that'll push up property values somewhere else. And
25:08
Speaker 9: that spurious degree of accuracy. Why seven hundred and six
25:11
Speaker 9: hundred eleven billion and not six hundred billion or five
25:13
Speaker 9: hundred and seventy six billion, I mean, lots of fancible
25:16
Speaker 9: numbers there, But then to rescue the show later in
25:19
Speaker 9: the week, we get this two point two trillion dollar number.
25:23
Speaker 9: I think what the government is doing there is trying
25:26
Speaker 9: to paint a picture that if we don't do anything,
25:28
Speaker 9: we're going to be ruined. If we do this, we'll
25:30
Speaker 9: actually end up with a bigger economy. I think both
25:33
Speaker 9: are exaggerations, to be honest with you, But obviously they're
25:37
Speaker 9: they're trying to promote their objective of speeding up the
25:41
Speaker 9: process of reducing climbing no vsions.
25:45
Speaker 2: So obviously when we talk, you know, two point two
25:47
Speaker 2: trillion dollars, I mean, there's such big numbers for most
25:50
Speaker 2: of us, it really doesn't mean very much. But I
25:52
Speaker 2: tell you the number that does mean something to viewers,
25:55
Speaker 2: and that's the number given by the Australian Energy Market
25:58
Speaker 2: Commission predicting energy prices will fall by about one thousand
26:01
Speaker 2: dollars for households.
26:03
Speaker 3: Over the next decade. Would you trust that number?
26:08
Speaker 9: Well, look, a lot of effort has been put into
26:11
Speaker 9: that number. My understanding of it is a lot of
26:14
Speaker 9: the reduction is simply occurring because people are transitioning from
26:18
Speaker 9: petrol vehicles to electric vehicles, and of course electric vehicles
26:25
Speaker 9: in the short term or in the cost that the
26:27
Speaker 9: thing will devalue faster because of the battery. In the
26:31
Speaker 9: short term they do cost less to operate.
26:33
Speaker 3: And likewise, if you.
26:34
Speaker 9: Can switch over from gas heating in the house or
26:38
Speaker 9: gas cook top to electric, then in theory you will
26:41
Speaker 9: save money.
26:43
Speaker 3: But by the same token, we know from.
26:45
Speaker 9: Those sorts of projections, the one made prior to the
26:47
Speaker 9: twenty twenty two election different organization, in terms of the
26:50
Speaker 9: two hundred and seventy five dollars being wiped off electricity prices,
26:54
Speaker 9: we know that these numbers can be very very rubbery. Yes,
26:58
Speaker 9: in theory, if you move towards rol and wind, you
27:02
Speaker 9: will get cheaper electricity, and in the middle of the
27:04
Speaker 9: day it is cheaper. But the trouble is when the
27:07
Speaker 9: wind doesn't blow and the sunsets, you have to rely
27:11
Speaker 9: on more expensive stuff and that's where the costs come in.
27:14
Speaker 9: And you've got all those associated issues around using batteries
27:18
Speaker 9: and extra poles and wires to get to the wind
27:21
Speaker 9: farms and the solar panels. That's where all the complication
27:24
Speaker 9: comes into all of this. So I think you've got
27:26
Speaker 9: to treat those numbers with a lot of caution. Yes,
27:28
Speaker 9: households can find ways to shift towards more efficient ways
27:33
Speaker 9: of moving their cars around and hitting their houses. Yes,
27:38
Speaker 9: but it's not necessarily the case. The electricity prices are
27:41
Speaker 9: going to fall, and the risk is I think that
27:43
Speaker 9: they go higher before maybe hopefully one day they go lower.
27:49
Speaker 2: What is it they say, Shane, there's lies, damn lies
27:51
Speaker 2: and promises about renewable energy.
27:54
Speaker 3: Shane Oliver, appreciate you joining me tonight. Thank you well.
27:57
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, comass still holds forty eight hostages,
28:01
Speaker 2: but Anthony Albanezi has decided to reward the terrorists anyway.
28:05
Speaker 2: I'll talk to Greg Sheridan about that in just a moment.
28:12
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Joining me now is foreign
28:14
Speaker 2: editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan.
28:16
Speaker 3: Greg, good evening to you.
28:18
Speaker 2: As we've talked about, Australia has joined Britain and Canada
28:22
Speaker 2: in officially recognizing a Palestinian state. That comes with future
28:26
Speaker 2: steps like opening embassies and establishing diplomatic ties. I want
28:31
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts in a moment, but first, Israel's
28:33
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Benjaminette Yahoo has accused the leaders of the
28:36
Speaker 2: three countries of rewarding terrorism and insists there'll be no
28:39
Speaker 2: Palestinian state.
28:40
Speaker 3: Here's what he said, Lord mmin Goom.
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Speaker 15: I have a clear message to those leaders who recognize
28:47
Speaker 15: a Palestinian state after the terrible massacre of October seventh.
28:50
Speaker 15: You are giving a huge prize to terrorism, and I
28:53
Speaker 15: have another message for you. It will not happen. There
28:56
Speaker 15: will be no Palestinian state west of the Jordan.
28:59
Speaker 2: Bit So, Greg Sheridan is the Israeli Prime minister. Right
29:02
Speaker 2: has our government rewarded terrorism with this move?
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Speaker 6: Well, James, it's great to be with you. A few
29:10
Speaker 6: things to disentangle, really, I think the Alberanzi government has
29:15
Speaker 6: made a mistake and it has rewarded Hummas, and Hummas
29:19
Speaker 6: hailed it today as a great victory. It's important to
29:23
Speaker 6: remember that we have absolutely no influence in the Middle East,
29:25
Speaker 6: so what the Alberanesi government is doing is purely performative
29:29
Speaker 6: and utterly hollow. I do think it's disturbing for Benjaminett
29:33
Speaker 6: and Yahoo to say there will never ever be a
29:35
Speaker 6: Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. I mean, that
29:39
Speaker 6: wasn't his position even a few years ago. And you'd
29:42
Speaker 6: have to hope that you would eventually get normalization between
29:45
Speaker 6: the Israelis and the Palestinians and that there will be
29:48
Speaker 6: a Palestinian state in due course, after proper negotiation and compromise.
29:53
Speaker 6: So my beef with the Alberanesi government is that you
29:56
Speaker 6: recognize a state when a state comes into existence, and
29:59
Speaker 6: making these kind of hollow, performative gestures. It reinforces Hamas
30:05
Speaker 6: within the Palestinian world because Humas can say, look what
30:08
Speaker 6: terror achieved, and it tends to provoke that kind of
30:11
Speaker 6: reaction from the Israelis to say, well, if you're determining
30:15
Speaker 6: our future, we were not going to let you. But
30:18
Speaker 6: I think it was a very bad mistake by the
30:20
Speaker 6: Alberanese government.
30:24
Speaker 2: What do you make of Anti Albanese's assertion that recognizing
30:28
Speaker 2: Palestine is part of the peace process rather than a
30:32
Speaker 2: reward for peace. Do you think that's a reasonable strategy.
30:38
Speaker 6: No, it doesn't make any sense at all. Why not
30:41
Speaker 6: recognize the Tibetan government in exile or the Kurds in
30:46
Speaker 6: Syria and Iraq. I mean, they have as strong a
30:49
Speaker 6: moral case as the Palestinians for a state of their own.
30:53
Speaker 6: I mean, Tibet used to be an independent state. We've
30:57
Speaker 6: moved away from those kind of symbolic recognitions and we
31:01
Speaker 6: recognize a new state when it comes into existence. But
31:04
Speaker 6: even in terms of the Albanesi government's own policy, it's
31:08
Speaker 6: internally contradictory and incoherent, and which tells you that it's
31:12
Speaker 6: only just your politics, because Albanesi, in order to you know,
31:17
Speaker 6: appease a little bit the pro Israel people in Australia, says, well,
31:22
Speaker 6: you know, we're only doing this on strict conditions. The
31:24
Speaker 6: Palestinian authority has to reform and has to have democratic elections,
31:28
Speaker 6: and there has to be Hamas having no role in
31:30
Speaker 6: the future of Gaza, and Hamas has to surrender all
31:33
Speaker 6: its weapons. Well, if you thought recognition had any meaning,
31:38
Speaker 6: and those were your conditions, why not wait until those
31:41
Speaker 6: conditions are satisfied first, Because none of those conditions depends
31:45
Speaker 6: on Israel. The Palestinians could satisfy all those conditions tomorrow
31:49
Speaker 6: if they wanted to. How mus could release the hostages tomorrow.
31:53
Speaker 6: It could say it's giving its weapons to the Palestinian
31:56
Speaker 6: authority tomorrow. Palestinian authority could reform tomorrow, It could hold
32:00
Speaker 6: elections tomorrow. But really, James the whole thing. So, I
32:05
Speaker 6: am myself critical of the net and Yahoo government's policies
32:09
Speaker 6: at the moment, and I think they are bad policies.
32:13
Speaker 6: But I think the Albanesi government is not just making
32:17
Speaker 6: a sound, reasonable criticism of the net Yahoo government. It's
32:20
Speaker 6: going into absurd, fantasy land gesture politics, which it knows
32:25
Speaker 6: will have no effect, and the motive of it is
32:28
Speaker 6: not to have any effect in the Middle East. The
32:30
Speaker 6: motive of it is to have an effect in marginal
32:33
Speaker 6: electorates where labor is challenged by the Greens, and in
32:35
Speaker 6: some electorates where there are large numbers of Muslim voters.
32:39
Speaker 6: This is just domestic politics. Foreign policy, you know, domestic
32:43
Speaker 6: politics disguised as foreign policy.
32:47
Speaker 2: We'll see whether that works out or not, because a
32:49
Speaker 2: little later in the program, I'll show footage of pro
32:52
Speaker 2: Palestinian protesters in Sydney marching through the CBD shouting we
32:56
Speaker 2: don't want two states, we want nineteen eight.
33:00
Speaker 3: We'll get to that a little later. But another part
33:04
Speaker 3: of all.
33:04
Speaker 2: Of this is, of course Anthie Albanesi is in New
33:07
Speaker 2: York trying to organize a meeting with Donald Trump. Things
33:11
Speaker 2: already seem a bit tense between the two leaders. This
33:14
Speaker 2: announcement is certainly not going to help relations, is it.
33:19
Speaker 7: No.
33:20
Speaker 6: I mean, it's all part of the Alberanesi government's move
33:23
Speaker 6: away from traditional Australian foreign policy. So it's the Albanesi
33:27
Speaker 6: government which has completely smashed by partisan Australian policy on
33:32
Speaker 6: Israel and the Palestinians. Australia has always supported a two
33:35
Speaker 6: state solution and I would certainly support that right now,
33:38
Speaker 6: but the two states have to come about as a
33:41
Speaker 6: result of compromise and negotiation. The Palestinians have been offered
33:44
Speaker 6: an independent state on at least four occasions historically, on
33:48
Speaker 6: the most generous terms that you could ever imagine, will
33:51
Speaker 6: ever be available from Israel, and they've rejected it at
33:55
Speaker 6: every turn. The extremists have and the moderates haven't been
33:58
Speaker 6: brave enough them down. So it's the Albanesi government which
34:02
Speaker 6: is smashed by partisan Australian policy. It's done that to
34:05
Speaker 6: appease the left of its own party and outside its party,
34:10
Speaker 6: and more generally, its foreign policy is taking a leftwood drift.
34:14
Speaker 1: Now.
34:15
Speaker 6: At the same time, it's got enough sense not to
34:17
Speaker 6: want to destroy the American Alliance, so it's hoping to
34:22
Speaker 6: keep the American Alliance going with the absolute bare minimum
34:25
Speaker 6: of action, no meaningful increase in defense spending, never saying
34:28
Speaker 6: boodh or goose about China and so on. Meanwhile, it
34:32
Speaker 6: moves further left, you know. It makes great declarative gestures
34:36
Speaker 6: on climate policy on Palestine. These are kind of fantasy
34:41
Speaker 6: policies which will never have any effect in the physical universe.
34:45
Speaker 6: Whereas the one area where it has profound national responsibility,
34:49
Speaker 6: the South Pacific, it's failed dismally. It announced a defense
34:53
Speaker 6: treaty with Papua New Guinea before it was signed, and
34:57
Speaker 6: the Papua New Guinea cabinet won't endorse it. Bnounced a
35:00
Speaker 6: security deal with Vanuatu before it was signed, and the
35:04
Speaker 6: matter of Uatu government has walked away from it. Those
35:07
Speaker 6: are two huge victories for China and two huge defeats
35:11
Speaker 6: for Australia. And that's the only bit of foreign policy
35:14
Speaker 6: where what the Alberanese government says or does actually means something.
35:18
Speaker 6: I mean, no wonder they want to run away from
35:20
Speaker 6: the South Pacific and just indulge in their fantasy undergraduate
35:24
Speaker 6: politics about the Middle East, because nobody takes Australia seriously
35:28
Speaker 6: on the Middle East, so it kind of in a
35:30
Speaker 6: sense it has no consequence. It might have a consequence
35:33
Speaker 6: with Trump, it might further annoy Trumphnos, But in reality
35:38
Speaker 6: Australia has no influence and no responsibility for the Middle East.
35:41
Speaker 6: So Alberanzi can promise anything he likes. He can offer
35:44
Speaker 6: a Palestinian delegation of Mars or anything he likes. It
35:47
Speaker 6: won't make any difference.
35:51
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, please do not give Anthony Albanesi any ideas.
35:55
Speaker 2: Appreciate you joining me tonight, Thanks so much.
35:57
Speaker 11: Well.
35:58
Speaker 2: Coming up, Victoria's crime crisis hit a terrifying level. I'll
36:01
Speaker 2: bring you a shocking example after the break, and I'm
36:04
Speaker 2: telling you will not want to miss this footage. It's
36:06
Speaker 2: coming up next. Welcome back to the program. That there
36:13
Speaker 2: are appalling levels of crime in Melbourne is now given
36:16
Speaker 2: like Hook turns on Swanston Streak and Christian Pretaka wanting
36:19
Speaker 2: out of the Demons.
36:20
Speaker 3: No one seriously argues otherwise.
36:23
Speaker 2: Premier just sent to Alan would probably argue the point
36:26
Speaker 2: if she was in Bendigo rather than at home in Beijing.
36:28
Speaker 3: So I think I got rid of that round the
36:30
Speaker 3: wrong way. Whatever my point is.
36:33
Speaker 2: Yesterday, a shocking daylight robbery in the Melbourne CBD showed
36:36
Speaker 2: just how lawless the one time world's most livaboo city
36:40
Speaker 2: has become. A woman was caught shoplifting at a clothing store,
36:44
Speaker 2: so staff threw her out and locked the doors, presuming
36:46
Speaker 2: that was the end of it.
36:48
Speaker 3: But this is Victoria, where crime is tolerated. So the
36:50
Speaker 3: woman broke back.
36:51
Speaker 2: Into the store, ransacked it, strolled off with the merchandise
36:55
Speaker 2: like she owned a joint, as a massive crowd stood
36:58
Speaker 2: around watching.
37:25
Speaker 5: To get out.
37:38
Speaker 2: Joining me now is history Lecturer and author Stephen Shivura
37:41
Speaker 2: and Freyer Leech, host of Freyer Fires Up and the
37:44
Speaker 2: Late Debate Friar Freyer rather let me start with you.
37:48
Speaker 2: What I don't understand is how the crowd let her
37:51
Speaker 2: get away with that. There's all these guys standing around,
37:54
Speaker 2: no one intervenes.
37:55
Speaker 16: It's unbelievable, really, and I think it does show I mean,
37:59
Speaker 16: either people in Victoria our pansies and need to go
38:02
Speaker 16: to the gym and buff up so that they can
38:04
Speaker 16: actually feel they're able to detain someone like that, because
38:07
Speaker 16: I do understand. I mean, she looked like she could
38:09
Speaker 16: be on drugs. She looked very violent and dangerous. But
38:13
Speaker 16: I mean, seriously, there were a lot of people there
38:15
Speaker 16: who could have helped out. But there does seem to
38:17
Speaker 16: be this broader trend in Western society where people are
38:22
Speaker 16: unwilling to step in if there's a crisis going on.
38:26
Speaker 16: I mean, just a couple weeks ago, remember the horrific
38:29
Speaker 16: footage from the train in Charlottesville, North Carolina, where Irina
38:34
Speaker 16: Zurutzka was stabbed to death and there were people just
38:37
Speaker 16: sitting around and in fact, after she was stabbed, they
38:40
Speaker 16: just got up and walked away. It took a whole
38:42
Speaker 16: minute before someone came to help her. That is really concerning,
38:46
Speaker 16: and we have to ask why do we feel such
38:49
Speaker 16: little bond and loyalty to our fellow citizens, And I
38:52
Speaker 16: think it speaks to the fragmentation of our social fabric.
38:56
Speaker 16: We simply just don't feel obliged like we used to
39:00
Speaker 16: step up and step in when something is going wrong.
39:05
Speaker 2: Well, Steven, that's part of the danger, isn't it. Where
39:07
Speaker 2: you get a state like Victoria where people have become
39:09
Speaker 2: so accustomed to lawlessness that no one thinks it's worth intervening.
39:14
Speaker 2: So can you go from a crime crisis to a
39:17
Speaker 2: general culture of lawlessness?
39:21
Speaker 17: You sure can, and that is where Victoria seems to
39:24
Speaker 17: be heading. But the other thing is that when you
39:26
Speaker 17: have a very left wing legal system like you do
39:28
Speaker 17: in Victoria, you could go and try to intervene and
39:32
Speaker 17: then find yourself being charged for assault by the person
39:35
Speaker 17: that you're trying to restrain or you take the clothing
39:38
Speaker 17: off or whatever.
39:39
Speaker 1: So that's a big problem as well.
39:41
Speaker 17: But you know, Jacinta Allen has admitted that two and
39:44
Speaker 17: a half years ago they got it wrong when they
39:46
Speaker 17: relax the bail laws in Victoria, allowing criminals to basically
39:53
Speaker 17: avoid custody pretty much indefinitely and continue to commit crimes.
39:58
Speaker 17: So a lot of these crimes the violent crimes are
40:01
Speaker 17: recidivist offenders.
40:03
Speaker 1: So the legal system in Victoria has.
40:07
Speaker 17: Been woefully let down by the labor government and their
40:10
Speaker 17: attempts to try to fix it have clearly failed. And
40:14
Speaker 17: I think Jeff Kennet is right on the money. What
40:16
Speaker 17: Victorians need to introduce is zero tolerance, the kind of
40:20
Speaker 17: thing that Rudy Giuliani used in the early nineties to
40:23
Speaker 17: turn New York from one of the world's most dangerous
40:26
Speaker 17: cities into one of the most livable and safe cities
40:30
Speaker 17: in the world. And you do that by punishing even
40:33
Speaker 17: the smallest crimes, sending the message very early on to
40:36
Speaker 17: even the smaller crimes that there absolutely are consequences, and
40:40
Speaker 17: that has proven to actually fix the problem.
40:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, you tolerate little things because you don't think they're
40:47
Speaker 2: worth tackling, and then you end up with big things
40:49
Speaker 2: that you're unable to tackle. And that's the state of Victoria,
40:51
Speaker 2: it seems to me. I want to get your thoughts
40:54
Speaker 2: on Charlie Kirk's funeral. I spoke about it earlier, but
40:57
Speaker 2: not everyone was as moved by it as I was.
41:00
Speaker 2: Michael Kozoyl used his column in the Sydney Morning Herald
41:03
Speaker 2: to criticize it, saying it was the ultimate blur of
41:06
Speaker 2: church and state.
41:08
Speaker 3: So I want to get your thoughts. Did he have
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Speaker 3: a point?
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Speaker 2: His Maco Rubio, sounding more like a preacher of the
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Speaker 2: US Secretary of State.
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Speaker 3: Have listen his deep belief.
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Speaker 18: That we were all created, every single one of us,
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Speaker 18: before the beginning of time, by the hands of the
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Speaker 18: God of the universe and all powerful God, who loved
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Speaker 18: us and created us for the purpose of living with
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Speaker 18: him in eternity. But then sin entered the world and separated.
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Speaker 5: Us from our creator.
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Speaker 19: And so God took on the form of a man
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Speaker 19: and came down and lived among us, and he suffered
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Speaker 19: like men, and he died like a man, but on
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Speaker 19: the third day he rose unlike any mortal man.
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Speaker 3: Prayer is the Sydney Morning Herald.
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Speaker 2: Right is it wrong for politicians to be talking so
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Speaker 2: openly and boldly about their faith.
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Speaker 16: Well, I think politicians and people in the political sphere
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Speaker 16: have been talking about their religion forever. It's probably just
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Speaker 16: not Christianity. There seems to be a bit of a
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Speaker 16: double standard here. You can talk about the religions of
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Speaker 16: critical race theory, of climate catastrophism, of radical feminism, of DEI,
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Speaker 16: of anything that's on the left or on the progressive
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Speaker 16: side of politics. But as soon as conservatives start talking
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Speaker 16: about Christianity and they need to bring faith back to
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Speaker 16: the country or then suddenly it's not allowed and there's
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Speaker 16: a double standard there. And the reality is America was
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Speaker 16: actually built on Christian values. The founding fathers were overwhelmingly Christian.
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Speaker 16: John Adams, one of the founding fathers, famously wrote that
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Speaker 16: the Constitution was made for a moral and religious people,
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Speaker 16: and it wouldn't be an appropriate form of government for
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Speaker 16: any other kind of people. There was always an assumption
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Speaker 16: that America was a Christian nation, but they've drifted further
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Speaker 16: and further away from that. And this funeral is the
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Speaker 16: term in point. It was less of a funeral and
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Speaker 16: more of the beginning of a revival of faith. And
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Speaker 16: I think that's a great thing.
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Speaker 2: Stephen, I've only got thirty seconds. But separation of church
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Speaker 2: and state doesn't mean politicians can't talk about religion. It
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Speaker 2: just means they can't legislate to enforce religion.
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Speaker 1: Correct, that's absolutely right.
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Speaker 17: The term doesn't even appear in the American Constitution or
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Speaker 17: the Australian Constitution. It's nowhere to be found a separation
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Speaker 17: of church and state. People confuse and it is really
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Speaker 17: just about religious freedom. People confuse separation of church and
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Speaker 17: state with the removal of religion from public life, and
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Speaker 17: that is a whole different thing. And if you want that,
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Speaker 17: then go to China, go to North Korea, because that's
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Speaker 17: where you'll get that. But in pretty much every other country,
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Speaker 17: politicians respond to the nature of the nation, and America,
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Speaker 17: who is a very deeply religious nation, it's entirely appropriate
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Speaker 17: that politicians would reflect that in the things that they say,
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Speaker 17: particularly at a funeral like this.
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Speaker 3: Very well said Stephen Shivra Freyerlitch.
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Speaker 2: Always enjoy talking to you, and of course we'll be
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Speaker 2: back at ten pm with the late debate thanks to
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Speaker 2: both of you, will stick around coming up after the
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Speaker 2: break reports King Charles has made it clear to Prince
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Speaker 2: Harry that he can't have a.
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Speaker 3: Half in, half out royal role.
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Speaker 2: Plus Nigel Farage vows to scrap the current UK migration
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Speaker 2: system all of that. Next well, joining me now is
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Speaker 2: writer and broadcast Esther krakhu. Esther, King Charles and Prince
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Speaker 2: Harry met for the first time in nearly two years
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Speaker 2: earlier this month their speculation Harry would like to be
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Speaker 2: in Britain a bit more, but the King has reportedly
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Speaker 2: said there's no such thing as half in, half out.
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Speaker 2: If you're in, you're fully in.
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Speaker 3: Sounds fair to me.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, He basically respected the decision of his mother, the
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Speaker 20: lead Queen, and said, you can't be a sort of
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Speaker 20: half in half our royal. I think it just just
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Speaker 20: not an approach that really works for the royal family.
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Speaker 20: And this comes off the back of the fact that
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Speaker 20: there was speculation of Harry possibly returning. Very has wanted
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Speaker 20: to regain his seat provided security because he will to
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Speaker 20: bring his family over and visit the UK more often.
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Speaker 20: But people are asking did you just want to visit
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Speaker 20: or if you want to actually get back into the
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Speaker 20: action as a working royal because we know that his
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Speaker 20: esticlated Netflix all the ambitionnanigans that him and Meghan have
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Speaker 20: been up to have not really panned out as well
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Speaker 20: as they would hope.
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Speaker 7: And the next the following day, the Times journalists basically
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Speaker 7: said absolutely.
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Speaker 20: Not and this is share it from the palace. That
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Speaker 20: is not happening.
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Speaker 7: And I happened to work in the time building as well,
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Speaker 7: so I could just imagine the journalists, you know, the
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Speaker 7: middle of a shower or large feel like we need
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Speaker 7: to lift this in the bard because that's not happening.
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Speaker 5: Because that's something.
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Speaker 7: That I would really annoy the British public if someone
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Speaker 7: like Prince Harry and his wife and I wanted to
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Speaker 7: come back into the royal fold. But there are talks
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Speaker 7: of sort of King Charles and Harry and attending some
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Speaker 7: engagements together to show a sign of unity, just to
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Speaker 7: show that, you know all, there's not lost in their relationship.
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Speaker 7: But I don't really know how that's going to work
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Speaker 7: because the.
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Speaker 20: King Barry is completely full.
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Speaker 7: I know the King book's engagements after three years in advance,
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Speaker 7: so I'm really curious as to where he will find
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Speaker 7: room for Prince Harry, especially an engagement where we do
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Speaker 7: not have access to the public risk of being tilted
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Speaker 7: with washing to meters.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the key thing there is the Royal
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Speaker 2: family can't be planned b for your life.
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Speaker 3: You either do it or you don't.
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Speaker 2: Hey, in the time we've got left, I just want
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Speaker 2: to quickly ask you about reform UK leader Nigel Faraj,
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Speaker 2: who's promising he'll deport hundreds of thousands of migrants if
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Speaker 2: he's elected Prime Minister. These are migrants who've already been
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Speaker 2: given permanent residency, he says, they'll be forced to reapply
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Speaker 2: for visas under stricter criteria.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, these are migrants that came in during the pandemic
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Speaker 20: basically twenty twenty twenty twenty one, during the Boris way
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Speaker 20: that I'm going to qualify for cominent residency under the
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Speaker 20: next year. So what we're going to see is.
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Speaker 7: Hundreds of thousands of people, essentially up to one point
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Speaker 7: two million people being able to remain in the ukn
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Speaker 7: opponent basis, and then a year.
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Speaker 20: After that being able to apply.
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Speaker 5: For British inship.
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Speaker 7: And once they actually qualify for British Insidership, there's no
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Speaker 7: going back. They're willing to become Vergilidans and they will
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Speaker 7: be able to see more the benefits of being Everish
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Speaker 7: and larger. Ferrada's argument is that these these privileges will
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Speaker 7: handle too loose Leader and Boris's wave of inflected immigration. Basically,
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Speaker 7: they're not invested in the country, but more so they're
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Speaker 7: going to just cost the British tact they a lot
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Speaker 7: of money.
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Speaker 20: You don't have to understand that becoming a.
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Speaker 7: British doesn't that means, you know, the role of the
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Speaker 7: British saving your life is much more excited. If you're
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Speaker 7: traveling abroad and you get into a problem, you have
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Speaker 7: to contact the British obversy. All of these comes out.
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Speaker 20: Of costs, and it's also the idea that it comes
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Speaker 20: so easy and.
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Speaker 7: Cheap to be a vicious citizen. Our country is like
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Speaker 7: Cciland or even the Emirates are much stricter citizenship employment
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Speaker 7: of residency criteria based on what they actually give or
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Speaker 7: brain or.
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Speaker 5: Constraby to the country.
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Speaker 7: And I think that's why Manager Feran is trying to
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Speaker 7: align his views and he's really saying that he could
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Speaker 7: potentially be Prime Minister of my twenty twenty seven. But
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Speaker 7: this is one of those things that all WAGH people
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Speaker 7: up to the reality of what's actually going on inside
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Speaker 7: of the country.
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Speaker 2: It would be interesting to watch how that's received by
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Speaker 2: the British public. Esther, thanks for joining me tonight. Sorry
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Speaker 2: the audio was a little sketchy there, but always great.
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Speaker 2: Well that's all I've got time for tonight, but stick around.
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Speaker 2: Coming up right now hosting the Sharry Markson program is
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Speaker 2: Denega to Georgio, good night,