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Omid Djalili: the Iranian regime is ‘a cancer’ that needs ‘cutting out’ · The Fourcast

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  What do you do with this regime that doesn't mind being killed
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  because they think the more we get killed, the more we get some
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  kind of sympathy in the West and there's more chance of us
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  staying in power? So are you left as somebody who
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  who is anti war, wanting this war to continue until it
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  achieves the end of the regime? Yes, if it meant getting rid of
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  them, the people of Iran, not me, the people of Iran saying
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  it's a cancer. And if, if it's painful, we've
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  got to go through it. We're prepared to go through it.
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  Hello and welcome to the forecast.
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  I'm Krishna Guru Murphy in Jerusalem As we approach two
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  weeks into this war, we wanted to talk to a prominent voice in
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  Britain. And Ahmed Jalili is a British
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  Iranian comedian, writer and cultural commentator.
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  He's been very outspoken throughout the protest movements
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  in Iran and since the war broke out.
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  Ahmed, welcome. How are you feeling about where
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  things are now? Well, look, at the end of the
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  day, the whole reason I even did interviews in the 1st place, we
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  were trying to keep this whole issue on a humanitarian issue.
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  If you remember, we were always talking about responsibility to
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  protect the UN norm. In 2005, when a country is
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  exterminating its own people, the world has to stand up and
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  you, you use diplomacy first. And if that doesn't work,
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  there's some kind of intervention to stop the
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  machinery of repression. We saw the massacres of January.
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  In fact, I was very traumatized because we'd heard at the time
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  it was like it was being reported as 3000 people, 12,000
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  people. We don't even know because the
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  Internet was shut. Whatever the numbers, it's, it's
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  horrific. And now we see that this
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  particular conflict, which we thought was a rescue mission, is
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  now being politicized, is now being seen as something that is
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  left versus right that, you know, it's, it's Trump is crazy,
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  Israeli crazy. And the people who are losing
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  out here are the people of Iran. And I will tell you this, it was
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  profoundly moving to see nothing to do with any politics or
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  anything. The Iranian women's National
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  Football team arriving from the Gold Coast in Sydney and there's
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  150 Iranians there trying to make an intervention to try and
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  stop them from going home. And so five of them were given
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  immediate, they were given asylum, two more than joined and
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  the rest got on the plane. It just shows you that this
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  conflict is real, this, this problem with this regime.
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  We are not lying when we're telling you they are.
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  Absolutely genocidal, tyrannical, whatever word you
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  want to use, the the the stuff they have done is beyond even
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  any decent normal person could think of.
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  So in that sense, it's good to talk to you because it's always
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  about bringing it back to that humanitarian level and reminding
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  people of that. I mean, just remind us what what
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  is your Persian heritage? What are your links to people in
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  Iran now? Yeah, we've got almost nothing
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  because the Internet is still shut.
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  I was born and raised in Britain, but my parents would go
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  back to, we'd go back to Iran. I've been back twice when I was
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  when I was younger. I'm now involved and people, you
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  know, look to me. And I should tell you,
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  Christian, when we talk right now, it's not even me giving you
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  my opinions. My opinions don't matter at all
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  because the internet's been shut.
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  All we are doing is try and amplify some of the voices from
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  inside Iran who have been cut off by the Internet and just try
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  and say a few things about what what some of the narratives they
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  want out there. And.
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  What contact do you and your network have?
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  I mean, as you say, the Internet is largely shut off for most
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  people, except those voices the regime wants to allow to speak.
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  And they tend to be supportive voices.
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  But we understand some people are getting through on the
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  phone. I mean, have you, have you been
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  able to speak to anyone? No.
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  I've not been able to speak to anyone.
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  If if you try, it's very sporadic, you're on for about 3
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  seconds, it's gone. So it's mainly, it's mainly
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  through the few people can get VPN.
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  When the Starlink satellite, the Elon Musk Starlink satellite
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  works, we can get a little bit of connectivity.
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  Messages are coming through which are which are very, very
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  strong. I have to tell you.
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  I mean, I can read you one of the messages here, which I
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  actually tweeted yesterday, which is very, very
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  representative of what the people of Iran feel.
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  It's kind of shocking because I, I'm not pro war at all.
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  I, you know, I did a whole documentary called We are Many
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  about the February 15th, 2003 anti war demonstrations after
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  the British invasion, an American invasion of, of Iraq.
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  And so I'm very anti war. But I'm quite surprised when you
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  see these videos that the Iranians cheering when things
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  are getting bombed and you think, well, how do they
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  reconcile that? What do they think?
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  And, and this, this is the kind of thing that people are saying,
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  which I, I think people should be really aware of.
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  Those of us inside the cage know that cutting out a cancer is
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  going to hurt. We are willing to take that pain
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  because it is better to die once than to be tortured every single
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  day. If this war stops, which is very
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  interesting, and the regime survives, we are all dead anyway
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  and our execution dates just get moved up.
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  That's just a snippet of the kind of messages I'm getting all
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  the time on, on Telegram, messages on my Twitter, on my
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  Instagram. This is really important that
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  when we think about this conflict, we're trying to remind
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  people that in when we had the Bosnia conflict in the 1990s,
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  there was a NATO unilateral, you know, intervention there to stop
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  it and to bring peace to the region between the Bosniaks, the
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  Serbs and the Croats. And that was seen as a very,
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  very positive thing. It gave a lot of credit to all
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  the the leaders who were involved in that.
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  Now, there is a problem people have with, you know, so-called
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  Western imperialism, you know, but are we really going to see
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  like Finland and Jamaica stand up and lead some kind of
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  intervention to save the people of Iran?
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  It just so happens to be two countries and a third regarding
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  Britain, who do have existential threats.
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  When you see in the Iranian government, who are they singing
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  death to? Is death to America, death to
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  Israel and Magbar Inglis death, that's actually means death to
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  England, but they call England the UK, Magbar Inglis.
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  So we are the people that they want to kill and also they want
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  to kill their own people. I mean, even now we're seeing
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  people literally by their balconies screaming, screaming,
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  you know, you know, anti regime slogans.
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  They're getting shot at with military grade weapons.
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  So this is, these are the messages we we feel are more
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  important than, you know, Israel is wrong and Donald Trump's a
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  madman. I mean, the, the question and
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  what's being argued about at the moment is what the balance is
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  of, of people who think either thing.
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  I mean, you know, the, the regime supporters in Iran say
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  the people who you're quoting are a tiny minority.
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  You know, yes, there are people who were upset and angry and
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  want to get rid of the regime, but they're a small group of
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  people. And obviously the people on your
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  side say no, we are the majority.
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  And it's very, very difficult because we're not there and
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  we're not allowed in to, to really get a, a sense of where
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  public opinion is now. I mean, what makes you sure that
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  you speak for the majority? I don't speak for anyone.
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  I'm just speaking for the people that I've seen.
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  But you know, if you listen to the Islamic regime, all American
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  Navy has been sunk. The Air Force has been shot out
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  the sky. Tel Aviv and Haifa are a barren
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  wasteland that that is their regime.
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  And we've seen them lie about things with they have history
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  with this. They have lied so much.
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  And we're seeing it literally on.
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  I'm tweeting it go on my Twitter feed and and I'm tweeting it as
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  a comedy thing because they say yes, we've we've hit the USS
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  Abraham Lincoln and then Muller goes everyone together mad bad
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  Omnica and then other people just go mad bad.
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  It fizzles before it even starts.
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  And AI videos of. Crowds, Yeah, yeah, Also AI
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  videos of crowds. All this stuff that we see is,
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  is, is complete and utter, very easily, you know, understood
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  lies. So as far as Iranians are
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  concerned, we don't believe anything they say.
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  And when the people of Iran are saying we are the majority,
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  that's what we believe. Now I.
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  Mean you talked about sort of a rescue mission it, it is looking
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  like anything but because at the moment the regime is in place,
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  they've replaced, you know, 1 Ayatollah with a, with a NEPA
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  baby Ayatollah and you know, that's a very deliberate message
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  they have sent. I mean, is your fear that the
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  people are being abandoned for geopolitical interests and
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  economic interests? I don't know who's being
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  abandoned or not, but but even it was so funny that this, this,
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  this Congress of experts who got together and they unanimously
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  voted Mustaba Harmony as the new supreme leader, having known
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  that he was very badly injured. And there are rumours that he's
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  in hospital, he's lost a leg and he's not even aware that he's
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  the new supreme leader. And they're saying, good, let
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  him stay there because while he while he's a supreme leader, we
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  can still stay alive. I mean, in, in one sense it, you
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  know, if this wasn't so sad, it would be funny.
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  But I am sad for the people of Iran because even if the IRGC
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  being killed and also we don't know when, when they give out
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  numbers of people being killed, to me, it doesn't matter if
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  it's, you know, majority IRGC, these are still human beings.
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  They're still compatriots. They're still people who could
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  be playing a role in a future Iran.
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  And and I think it's an absolute tragedy that people are being
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  killed. I've always been anti war.
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  I can't stand war. I think it's a terrible thing.
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  And the fog of war means we don't even know what's going on.
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  But people are being killed. There are civilian casualties as
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  well and deaths. How many we don't know.
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  But as I just read to you now, this is this cancer they're
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  trying to Lance. It's it's not just a boil.
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  It's like a mafia cartel. It's many, many different
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  levels. And if, if the way to get rid of
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  them is take out the first first, I don't want to sound
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  like a war monger, but this is on the Islamic regime.
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  Everyone's saying, oh, this is all America and Israel.
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  But these people are they, they actually glorify death, that
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  they love death. That's the thing that it's all
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  about martyrdom. It's all about dying, so it
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  doesn't matter if you're a martyr, you're getting close to
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  God. So that whole mentality means
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  you can kill us. You can kill the third rung of
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  military command. After that, kill the 4th rung we
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  were joking about. Right now, the Islamic regime
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  leadership is basically 3 Mossad agents who don't even know about
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  each other. I mean, it shouldn't really be
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  joking about it, but that is the situation right now.
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  And what do you do about that? What do you do with this regime
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  that that doesn't mind being killed?
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  Because they think the more we get killed, the more we get some
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  kind of sympathy in the West and more there's more chance of us
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  staying in power. But so so are you left as
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  somebody who who is anti war and feels for all victims of war,
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  wanting this war to continue until it achieves the end of the
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  regime. If someone told me during World
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  War 2 about, and I don't think many people actually knew what
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  Adolf Hitler was capable of, but if that was something I knew
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  that would remove Hitler and the Nazis eventually.
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  Because you know, you can't, you can't discuss things with these
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  people. We talk about sanctions with
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  Iran and I've always said giving them sanctions, you're expecting
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  behavioural change and they haven't changed for 47 years.
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  It would be like being attacked by a bunch of zombies and asking
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  them politely to consider a vegan diet.
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  This is a group of people who will not change.
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  But so if to ask your question, yes, if it meant getting rid of
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  them, the people of Iran, not me, the people of Iran saying
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  this is a it's a cancer. And if if it's painful and we've
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  got to go through it, we're prepared to go through it.
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  And how do you feel about, you know, all of these messages
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  we're getting from both the Americans and the Israelis, you
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  know, saying, well, it's up to the Iranian people to rise up
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  and to get rid of their rulers? When, you know, we know what
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  they're facing if they do that because we've seen 10s of
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  thousands of people killed earlier this year just in normal
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  protest. And we've seen the lessons of
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  history as well when America called on the Kurds to take on
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  Saddam Hussein and then abandoned them and how they
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  were, you know, massacred as a as a result.
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  I mean, so where does that leave you in terms of what what you
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  want people or think people should do in Iran?
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  When they talk about, you know, what will the future Iran be,
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  the Americans, the Israelis are very, very clear that they
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  cannot under any circumstance enforce regime change.
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  I think that's something the people of Iran have always said.
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  Just one thing we ask Do not tell us who will lead us and how
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  we will be governed that that'll be.
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  Because they did before. You know that that that's why
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  there's that deep suspicion, isn't?
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  It Krishnan, Iranians have real agency now we're talking about a
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  very, very intelligent younger population, majority in under
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  30. They're all educated.
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  They, they, they seem to know what they want.
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  Now, what I'm seeing, what I'm seeing and what I'm saying is
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  that they believe that the boots on the ground will not be
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  Israeli troops or American troops.
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  It will be the IRGC and the Artech.
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  The Artech is the military, which has nothing to do with the
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  IRGC. And when both sets of people
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  come on the side, both set, both groups come on the side of the
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  people, they are the people that will basically secure the
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  country. Now, the, the people seem to be
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  calling for the, the former Shah's son, Reza Pahlavi, who's
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  coming in not as a leader, but as a kind of custodian of
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  transition. He has a whole group of people.
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  And there was a feeling that if there is reciprocity with the
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  Artesh, the military and the IRGC, they will be the ones who
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  will protect him. Now, obviously you can't just
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  think that's going to happen overnight.
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  That's a process and it's it's not something that will happen
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  overnight and it's something that has to be from the people
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  of Iran. They have to do that themselves
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  or whoever we actually believe. A lot of the leaders are in
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  prisons. So they they need to be released
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  and have fair democratic secular democracy and and fair
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  elections. Yeah.
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  I mean, you see, I mean, I want to talk to you about Reza Palavi
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  because, I mean, you say the people seem to be calling for a
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  moment that's not very clear to me.
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  I mean, and, and he's been for a long time sort of been ridiculed
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  by a lot of Iranians as somebody who is, you know, nothing to do
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  with the country and out of touch and pass of a, a bygone
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  monarchical dynasty that nobody wants to bring back.
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  You know, why do you think he might be the answer?
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  Is it just because he's the only name that people recognise and
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  could rally around for now? Yes, I think that at the end of
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  the day, that's the only name I'm hearing that that that's
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  very, very clear. Of course, there are certain
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  people who don't like monarchy. I've, I've even some people who
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  actually working day and night to get rid of this regime.
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  I was even speaking to someone who even in Canada who worked
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  specifically to get the IRGC on the terrorist list.
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  He's someone with a very anti regime.
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  But then he put out a post that said he didn't support Alavi
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  because he's just not a monarchist.
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  He's never like monarchy, never like British monarchy.
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  You know, there are some people just don't like monarchists, you
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  know, and I, I think that that's their right.
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  People can say whatever they want, but at the moment I don't
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  see anyone else. And there are certain elements
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  of Iranians who are speaking up and we've got to be careful
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  about who they are as well. Bear in mind, Krishnan,
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  geopolitically what's happening here?
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  There, there's a narrative going on that if the regime goes, it
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  causes a problem with the United Nations because a proper paid up
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  full member of the United Nations will be no longer there
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  because of other countries who've taken them down, other UN
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  countries. And that's a problem.
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  That's the first problem. The second problem is if the
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  Islamic regime goes, it smashes the narrative of a lot of people
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  who believe there are some evil Western imperialism.
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  That is the thing that should be brought down.
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  And I've always said when you're looking at imperialism, who is
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  more imperialist than the Islamic regime of Iran?
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  The, the, the, the, the current supreme leader has properties
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  with London and during the Ukraine war, we froze those
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  assets of Russian oligarchs. So why are we doing it with them
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  as well? So, so if the regime goes, it is
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  a massive change in the whole world and we won't see change
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  until they go again. This is not me.
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  It's what the people of Iran are saying.
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  They they if they go, it will also smash the narrative of a
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  lot of people who do hold on to the fact that Israel is evil and
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  Donald Trump is a madman. I mean, the suspicion for a lot
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  of people, though, with Pallavi is, you know, that it was the
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  Americans and the British who installed his father and that he
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  becomes a sort of another Western stooge.
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  Yes, but, but you know, we've had this, we've, we've had
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  interference all the time that there's been interference in
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  Iranian politics for God knows how long and what, what, as long
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  as Iran has had oil, people have wanted that oil.
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  So the Brits and the Americans have been very, very involved.
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  Even when Ayatollah Khomeini came in in 1979, a lot of people
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  believe that was a kind of Islamist Marxist alliance that
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  got over, toppled the Shah. And one of the main things when
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  we talk about lies, one of the main things was the awful Cinema
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  Rex disaster of August of 1978, where people were locked into a
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  cinema, 300 people were burned alive and everybody said, Oh my
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  God, how can the Shah do that? How awful.
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  But then you realize afterwards it was Islamic extremists who
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  were about to come into power. So these these kind of media
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  tricks we're we're aware of, we've seen.
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  And you know, when we talk about interference, you know, when we
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  talk about Islamic regime interference, they brought in
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  militias from outside. There's always interference.
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  They brought in Iraqi and Afghan militias to kill their own
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  people. So interference is something
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  that we always see. But regarding being a stooge,
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  that's something I can't really speak about.
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  All I know is that people are saying we trust this guy to come
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  in as a custodian of transition and to help us, to help us
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  govern ourselves. And I think that's the thing
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  right now, that people of Iran feel that they've been basically
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  hostages. They've been taken hostage by an
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  Islamic regime that they don't agree with and certainly don't
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  want. To stay.
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  And So what do you think has happened to this argument?
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  Because obviously this has been sort of fed in to the, you know,
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  the, the, the, the sort of the, the protest and social media
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  division around Gaza and Israel. And it comes off the back of
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  that. And so you know, what, what,
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  what are you saying and what kind of reaction, you know, I
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  presume you're being attacked as well as somebody who is
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  effectively supporting Israel. You know what?
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  What do you say about this debate on the way it's going?
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  I think it's disgraceful. There's all kinds of comments
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  that, Oh dear, what's happened to you, Ahmed?
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  We thought you didn't like Trump.
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  We thought you were calling out the terrible things happening in
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  Israel, which I was, you know, from day one.
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  But people didn't listen to my tweets.
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  From day one. I've been saying this is on the
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  Islamic regime. They are the funders of the
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  terrorism. And I've said that from the
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  very, very beginning. And I've been so horrified by
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  the way this whole humanitarian disaster in Iran and in Gaza.
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  They are connected and the people of Iran saying if you
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  want to save the people of Palestine.
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  We've got to save the people around because there is a
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  connection. We're now seeing so many voices,
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  at least on my feed. It may not be on your feed, it
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  may not be on your algorithms. I've made this point that
• 20:14
  everyone has different algorithms, but we're seeing a
• 20:16
  lot of Lebanese people saying we've had enough of Hezbollah.
• 20:19
  We've seen a lot of Palestinians saying that we've had enough of
• 20:21
  the Islamic regime interfering in our lives.
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  Can we just get rid of them? If you get rid of them, then at
• 20:27
  least we have a chance to have peace.
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  So that's, and, and then the fact that you're even amplifying
• 20:34
  those voices makes you a Zionist.
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  And I think that is absolutely disgraceful.
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  I've always been a humanist and I, I, I, I put my oar in
• 20:42
  straight away. When you're seeing people being
• 20:44
  massacred and you're thinking, how can we help them?
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  And at the moment, the only way to help them is to, you know,
• 20:50
  take away the machinery of repression that's been killing
• 20:52
  these people. And and what about you?
• 20:54
  I mean, you know, you, you've, you've spent your career, you
• 20:58
  know, as pricking the, the bubble and the pomposity and,
• 21:03
  and the seriousness of, of all these things that you oppose.
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  Are you able to still do that or is this now beyond comedy?
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  It's. Kind of beyond comedy.
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  I'll tell you something I said in my show that the day they
• 21:15
  killed Ayatollah Khamenei and you know, you don't want people
• 21:19
  to die. I don't want any.
• 21:20
  In fact, I was actually even saying I actually have a post
• 21:23
  with my with my discussion with Matt Frey on this very podcast.
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  I had a post saying please do not kill the mullahs.
• 21:30
  Some of these people are enlightened.
• 21:32
  Some of these people could be very helpful to the future of
• 21:34
  Iran because they're intelligent and they're educated.
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  And they're also stuck in a system where if they put their
• 21:38
  head above the parapet and say what we're doing is wrong, they
• 21:41
  will get killed. So I don't want to see anyone
• 21:43
  die. But I was making jokes, which
• 21:45
  even if I say this now, you're going to get 100 emails saying,
• 21:48
  oh, my God, how can he joke about that?
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  I said they killed Ayatollah Khamenei.
• 21:54
  I got an e-mail today declaring me the new supreme leader of
• 21:59
  Iran and I turned it down because I wasn't happy with
• 22:03
  their workplace security arrangements.
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  It's not a very confident confidence boosting thing.
• 22:08
  When you walk into an office and there's a sign on the wall
• 22:11
  saying 0 days since our last assassination and people were
• 22:15
  laughing in the context of a comedy show, in the context of a
• 22:17
  podcast with you, you're going to get a lot of pushback because
• 22:21
  we see these people as getting what they deserve.
• 22:25
  You know, people were celebrate. I don't, I didn't celebrate at
• 22:28
  all. I actually was quite concerned
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  and I thought that's not a good thing because whatever you say,
• 22:33
  him and Sistani in Iraq, they are the leaders of Shia Islam.
• 22:37
  And you don't go around as killing the leaders of Shia
• 22:39
  Islam because there's going to be some kind of blowback.
• 22:41
  So I didn't think that was a clever thing to do at all.
• 22:45
  But of course, when you're doing jokes in the context of a comedy
• 22:48
  show, I think it's actually it's fair game.
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  And can I just say, stop shouting over not you, not you,
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  Christian, because you're great. Stop shouting over Iranian
• 22:59
  voices. We're sick.
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  I posted this, a woman, a British white woman telling
• 23:03
  Iranian it's all lies. You've been, you've been, you've
• 23:06
  been given lies. Journalists ring me up basically
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  asking me to do this. You really should put, and
• 23:14
  everyone should put their hatred of Donald Trump and their hatred
• 23:19
  of Israel before whatever is happening to the people of Iran.
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  And that's something I'm sorry, we just won't do this whole
• 23:28
  thing. It's not about being right or
• 23:29
  wrong. Human rights is human rights and
• 23:32
  we cannot politicise this. At the end of the day, OK, they
• 23:36
  pull out. They pull out and there's no
• 23:38
  regime change. Let's find out how many people
• 23:41
  are going to die and we sit back and we allow this to happen.
• 23:45
  People were crying at the, at the Sydney airport when they
• 23:49
  were filming the police and they were saying, Oh my God, they're
• 23:52
  just going to let these girls die.
• 23:53
  In the end they didn't, they went on and took off two more.
• 23:56
  But the feeling was that the people couldn't do anything
• 23:59
  because the authorities were not pro human life.
• 24:03
  And we're looking at a regime that are absolutely not They,
• 24:06
  they have no value for human life.
• 24:09
  So yes, you know, I'm not, I don't celebrate anyone dying.
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  I really don't. I would never do that.
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  But if this regime are gone and we have something else for the
• 24:19
  people of Iran which they deserve, then yes, I will be
• 24:22
  celebrating. Ahmed Jaleeli, thank you very
• 24:24
  much. I love you, Krishnan.
• 24:26
  Thank you.